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SYDNEY — Few people would hesitate to grab a newspaper and smash an annoying fly that’s been buzzing around the kitchen for hours. But if you’ve ever wondered whether bugs feel pain when you attempt to kill them, a new study is the first to prove that not only do insects feel an injury, but they suffer from chronic pain after recovering from one.

Researchers from the University of Sydney in Australia say the discovery builds on prior research from 2003 that found insects experience a sensation related to pain.

“People don’t really think of insects as feeling any kind of pain,” explains co-author Greg Neely, an associate professor at the university, in a statement. “But it’s already been shown in lots of different invertebrate animals that they can sense and avoid dangerous stimuli that we perceive as painful. In non-humans, we call this sense ‘nociception’, the sense that detects potentially harmful stimuli like heat, cold, or physical injury, but for simplicity we can refer to what insects experience as ‘pain’.

“So we knew that insects could sense ‘pain’,” he continues, “but what we didn’t know is that an injury could lead to long lasting hypersensitivity to normally non-painful stimuli in a similar way to human patients’ experiences.”

For the study, the authors damaged one leg on fruit flies and then allowed them to fully heal. They found that even after the fruit flies recovered, their uninjured leg grew more sensitive, a reaction likened to chronic pain in humans.

“After the animal is hurt once badly, they are hypersensitive and try to protect themselves for the rest of their lives,” says Neely. “That’s kind of cool and intuitive.”

Neely and his team then determined exactly how the insects experience such a response.

“The fly is receiving ‘pain’ messages from its body that then go through sensory neurons to the ventral nerve cord, the fly’s version of our spinal cord. In this nerve cord are inhibitory neurons that act like a ‘gate’ to allow or block pain perception based on the context,” says Neely. “After the injury, the injured nerve dumps all its cargo in the nerve cord and kills all the brakes, forever. Then the rest of the animal doesn’t have brakes on its ‘pain’. The ‘pain’ threshold changes and now they are hypervigilant. Animals need to lose the ‘pain’ brakes to survive in dangerous situations but when humans lose those brakes it makes our lives miserable. We need to get the brakes back to live a comfortable and non-painful existence.”

This type of chronic pain the flies experience is known as neuropathic pain, which in humans occurs from such conditions as sciatica, shingles, a pinched nerve, spinal cord injuries, or from other kinds of damage to the nervous system. Patients battling neuropathic pain typically report shooting or burning sensations.

Studies like these that help scientists understand the cause of chronic pain could eventually lead to the first treatments focusing on cause, rather than pain relief.

“Importantly now we know the critical step causing neuropathic ‘pain’ in flies, mice and probably humans, is the loss of the pain brakes in the central nervous system,” says Neely. “We are focused on making new stem cell therapies or drugs that target the underlying cause and stop pain for good.”

The study is published in the journal Science Advances.

https://www.studyfinds.org/do-bugs-feel-pain-insects-battle-chronic-pain-after-suffering-injury/

The article seems to imply that an insect's conscious experience of chronic pain is similar to ours, and that is pure unscientific speculation. I think it's just a way to get more attention. They have no idea whether the insect in aware of the injury and, if so, what that awareness actually "feels like" for the insect.

It's good that they are working on this problem of chronic pain, though. There is no "stopping pain for good", at least not in the broadest sense of the pain and suffering that characterizes the human condition.

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SYDNEY — Few people would hesitate to grab a newspaper and smash an annoying fly that’s been buzzing around the kitchen for hours. But if you’ve ever wondered whether bugs feel pain when you attempt to kill them, a new study is the first to prove that not only do insects feel an injury, but they suffer from chronic pain after recovering from one.

Researchers from the University of Sydney in Australia say the discovery builds on prior research from 2003 that found insects experience a sensation related to pain.

“People don’t really think of insects as feeling any kind of pain,” explains co-author Greg Neely, an associate professor at the university, in a statement. “But it’s already been shown in lots of different invertebrate animals that they can sense and avoid dangerous stimuli that we perceive as painful. In non-humans, we call this sense ‘nociception’, the sense that detects potentially harmful stimuli like heat, cold, or physical injury, but for simplicity we can refer to what insects experience as ‘pain’.

“So we knew that insects could sense ‘pain’,” he continues, “but what we didn’t know is that an injury could lead to long lasting hypersensitivity to normally non-painful stimuli in a similar way to human patients’ experiences.”

For the study, the authors damaged one leg on fruit flies and then allowed them to fully heal. They found that even after the fruit flies recovered, their uninjured leg grew more sensitive, a reaction likened to chronic pain in humans.

“After the animal is hurt once badly, they are hypersensitive and try to protect themselves for the rest of their lives,” says Neely. “That’s kind of cool and intuitive.”

Neely and his team then determined exactly how the insects experience such a response.

“The fly is receiving ‘pain’ messages from its body that then go through sensory neurons to the ventral nerve cord, the fly’s version of our spinal cord. In this nerve cord are inhibitory neurons that act like a ‘gate’ to allow or block pain perception based on the context,” says Neely. “After the injury, the injured nerve dumps all its cargo in the nerve cord and kills all the brakes, forever. Then the rest of the animal doesn’t have brakes on its ‘pain’. The ‘pain’ threshold changes and now they are hypervigilant. Animals need to lose the ‘pain’ brakes to survive in dangerous situations but when humans lose those brakes it makes our lives miserable. We need to get the brakes back to live a comfortable and non-painful existence.”

This type of chronic pain the flies experience is known as neuropathic pain, which in humans occurs from such conditions as sciatica, shingles, a pinched nerve, spinal cord injuries, or from other kinds of damage to the nervous system. Patients battling neuropathic pain typically report shooting or burning sensations.

Studies like these that help scientists understand the cause of chronic pain could eventually lead to the first treatments focusing on cause, rather than pain relief.

“Importantly now we know the critical step causing neuropathic ‘pain’ in flies, mice and probably humans, is the loss of the pain brakes in the central nervous system,” says Neely. “We are focused on making new stem cell therapies or drugs that target the underlying cause and stop pain for good.”

The study is published in the journal Science Advances.

https://www.studyfinds.org/do-bugs-feel-pain-insects-battle-chronic-pain-after-suffering-injury/

The article seems to imply that an insect's conscious experience of chronic pain is similar to ours, and that is pure unscientific speculation. I think it's just a way to get more attention. They have no idea whether the insect in aware of the injury and, if so, what that awareness actually "feels like" for the insect.

It's good that they are working on this problem of chronic pain, though. There is no "stopping pain for good", at least not in the broadest sense of the pain and suffering that characterizes the human condition.


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Re: French inventor soars above Champs-Élysées on flyboard at Paris parade
« Reply #13413 on: July 15, 2019, 02:51:47 PM »

Zapata CEO Franky Zapata flies a jet-powered hoverboard or "Flyboard" prior to the Bastille Day military parade down the Champs-Élysées avenue in Paris on July 14, 2019.

 A French inventor and entrepreneur on Sunday soared above the Champs-Elysees on a turbine engine-powered flyboard in front of President Emmanuel Macron and other EU leaders.

Former jet-skiing champion Franky Zapata, grasping a rifle in a sign of the possible military uses of his device, took to the air in a futuristic showpiece of the annual Bastille Day parade.

French Armed Forces Minister Florence Parly told France Inter radio ahead of the parade that the flyboard "can allow tests for different kinds of uses, for example as a flying logistical platform or, indeed, as an assault platform."

Zapata, who first developed his device flying above water, says that the flyboard has the power to take off and reach speeds up to 190 kilometres an hour (118 mph) and run for 10 minutes.

He is now eyeing a crossing of the English Channel which, for the first time, will require a refuelling in mid-flight.

Zapata aims to make the crossing on July 25, 110 years to the day after pioneering aviator Louis Bleriot made the first airplane flight across the Channel.

https://www.france24.com/en/20190714-french-inventor-soars-above-champs-elysees-flyboard-paris-parade


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Judge: Neo-Nazi blogger owes Whitefish woman $14M
« Reply #13414 on: July 15, 2019, 04:44:21 PM »
A federal judge on Monday awarded more than $14 million to a Whitefish woman who suffered a "troll storm" unleashed by a neo-Nazi website publisher in late 2016.

U.S. Magistrate Judge Jeremiah Lynch issued his decision on Monday, finding Andrew Anglin owes Tanya Gersh $10 million in punitive damages, along with $4,042,438 in compensatory damages.

The ruling comes after a daylong hearing Thursday in which Gersh, her husband and her therapist testified to the emotional damage caused after Anglin called on his followers on the Daily Stormer to "storm" Gersh's family. A barrage of threats and anti-Semitic messages followed.

https://missoulian.com/news/local/judge-neo-nazi-blogger-owes-whitefish-woman-m/article_e60c7f7a-2497-588e-9fee-4166c55350e6.html
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A man receiving his implanted microchip in Stockholm, Sweden.

Thousands of people in Sweden are having futuristic microchips implanted into their skin to carry out everyday activities and replace credit cards and cash.

More than 4,000 people have already had the sci-fi-like chips, about the size of a grain of rice, inserted into their hands — with the pioneers predicting millions will soon join them as they hope to take it global.

Two thoughts: 1) people were talking about being "chipped" some years ago. It's finally here.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/DYRZ3hESjT4" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/DYRZ3hESjT4</a>

2) I have written about the HBO/Studio Canal production. Years and Years, which incorporates many of the things that appear as posts in this forum as part of the plot to advance the story. The six-part series follows the British Manchester-based Lyons family: a gay male protagonist whose immigrant lover is summarily deported, a couple worrying about their kids, one looking for a new partner, and another, a globe hopping reporter come home, is engaged in one humanitarian cause after another. All their lives converge on one crucial night in 2019, and the story accelerates into the future, following the lives and loves of the Lyons over the next 15 years as Britain is rocked by unstable political, economic and technological advances.

In the latest episode, which speeds ahead to 2026 after the bank failures, the teenaged daughter has had a phone implanted in to her hand, and can be seen talking on the phone by talking to her hand. (In a deft touch, they discover that calls transacted in this manner cost more,sometning revealed only after surgery.) She and her girlfriend want to become "transhuman" and embark on an adventure which ends rather badly.

the fact that the BBC and HBO are undertaking this goes to show how far concern about collapse has permeated the zeitgeist, no matter what the Panglossian denialists might aver.
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Bianca Devins, 17, of Utica; Brandon Andrew Clark, 21, of Cicero. Police say Clark killed Devins in Utica on Sunday, July 14, 2019.

UTICA, N.Y. - Brandon Andrew Clark, a Cicero man who is a suspect in the grisly murder of Bianca Devins, slashed his throat in front of officers and took a selfie of himself lying across the 17-year-old’s body, Utica police said.

Utica police have just released more details about the murder Sunday.

Clark, of Cicero, called 911 dispatchers Sunday morning, made “incriminating statements” and implied he was going to harm himself, police said in a news release.

As officers arrived on Poe Street in Utica, Clark began stabbing himself in the neck, police said. Clark lay down across a green tarp near a black SUV, police said.

Police officers noticed hair protruding from under the tarp and asked where Devins was, police said.

Clark told officers she was under the tarp, and then pulled out a cell phone to take photos of himself lying across the dead teen,, police said.

Clark struggled briefly with police before being taken into custody. Clark was taken to an area hospital with serious injuries to his neck, police said.

Clark was being interviewed today and police said he will be charged.

Clark and Devins had been dating for two to three months, police said the Devins’ family told investigators. They met on Instagram, police said, and communicated online.

Their relationship progressed into a “personally intimate one” and they spent time together, meeting each others’ families, police said.

On Saturday, the pair had planned to go to a concert together in New York City, and police said it is believed they attended that event, arriving around 7:30 p.m. They left and drove back to Utica sometime after 10 p.m., when some argument occurred between them, police said.

The argument continued, and police said Clark produced a large, black-handled knife and used it to kill Devins, police said.

Clark is believed to have taken and distributed photographs of her body on the Discord, an online messaging platform.

Members of Discord then viewed the images and posts and contacted Utica police at about 7:20 a.m. Sunday.

The photos of her bloody body have been found on social media sites Monday, as people shared them. Some sites have removed the photos; others have not. Police say the images are authentic.

Clark appeared to also post photos online of himself, saying goodbye and showing his own bloody throat.

The story and photos posted online created an online firestorm with posts and comments.

The investigation of the death delayed part of the nearby Boilermaker race on Sunday.

A vigil is planned at 8 p.m. Monday at Parkway Park, Memorial Parkway and Oneida Street, according to online posts.

Devins’ family issued a statement Monday afternoon:

We are very grateful for the outpouring of love and sympathy we have received from our Friends, Family, Bianca’s Friends and the whole community. Your prayers help to strengthen us through this difficult time.

Bianca, age 17, was a talented artist, a loving sister, daughter, and cousin, and a wonderful young girl, taken from us all too soon. She is now looking down on us, as she joins her cat, Belle, in heaven. Bianca’s smile brightened our lives. She will always be remembered as our Princess.

Bianca graduated from T. R. Proctor High School this past June and was looking forward to attending MVCC (Mohawk Valley Community College) in the fall.

The family is requesting privacy at this time, said a family spokesperson.

https://www.syracuse.com/crime/2019/07/cny-man-who-killed-teen-slashed-his-throat-took-selfie-in-front-of-officers-police.html#incart_push
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SYDNEY — Few people would hesitate to grab a newspaper and smash an annoying fly that’s been buzzing around the kitchen for hours. But if you’ve ever wondered whether bugs feel pain when you attempt to kill them, a new study is the first to prove that not only do insects feel an injury, but they suffer from chronic pain after recovering from one.

Researchers from the University of Sydney in Australia say the discovery builds on prior research from 2003 that found insects experience a sensation related to pain.

“People don’t really think of insects as feeling any kind of pain,” explains co-author Greg Neely, an associate professor at the university, in a statement. “But it’s already been shown in lots of different invertebrate animals that they can sense and avoid dangerous stimuli that we perceive as painful. In non-humans, we call this sense ‘nociception’, the sense that detects potentially harmful stimuli like heat, cold, or physical injury, but for simplicity we can refer to what insects experience as ‘pain’.

“So we knew that insects could sense ‘pain’,” he continues, “but what we didn’t know is that an injury could lead to long lasting hypersensitivity to normally non-painful stimuli in a similar way to human patients’ experiences.”

For the study, the authors damaged one leg on fruit flies and then allowed them to fully heal. They found that even after the fruit flies recovered, their uninjured leg grew more sensitive, a reaction likened to chronic pain in humans.

“After the animal is hurt once badly, they are hypersensitive and try to protect themselves for the rest of their lives,” says Neely. “That’s kind of cool and intuitive.”

Neely and his team then determined exactly how the insects experience such a response.

“The fly is receiving ‘pain’ messages from its body that then go through sensory neurons to the ventral nerve cord, the fly’s version of our spinal cord. In this nerve cord are inhibitory neurons that act like a ‘gate’ to allow or block pain perception based on the context,” says Neely. “After the injury, the injured nerve dumps all its cargo in the nerve cord and kills all the brakes, forever. Then the rest of the animal doesn’t have brakes on its ‘pain’. The ‘pain’ threshold changes and now they are hypervigilant. Animals need to lose the ‘pain’ brakes to survive in dangerous situations but when humans lose those brakes it makes our lives miserable. We need to get the brakes back to live a comfortable and non-painful existence.”

This type of chronic pain the flies experience is known as neuropathic pain, which in humans occurs from such conditions as sciatica, shingles, a pinched nerve, spinal cord injuries, or from other kinds of damage to the nervous system. Patients battling neuropathic pain typically report shooting or burning sensations.

Studies like these that help scientists understand the cause of chronic pain could eventually lead to the first treatments focusing on cause, rather than pain relief.

“Importantly now we know the critical step causing neuropathic ‘pain’ in flies, mice and probably humans, is the loss of the pain brakes in the central nervous system,” says Neely. “We are focused on making new stem cell therapies or drugs that target the underlying cause and stop pain for good.”

The study is published in the journal Science Advances.

https://www.studyfinds.org/do-bugs-feel-pain-insects-battle-chronic-pain-after-suffering-injury/

The article seems to imply that an insect's conscious experience of chronic pain is similar to ours, and that is pure unscientific speculation. I think it's just a way to get more attention. They have no idea whether the insect in aware of the injury and, if so, what that awareness actually "feels like" for the insect.

It's good that they are working on this problem of chronic pain, though. There is no "stopping pain for good", at least not in the broadest sense of the pain and suffering that characterizes the human condition.


Rethink the equation in a quantum vernacular ......

Quantum 1st  :icon_sunny: Physical manifestation second. That's how universe rolls.

Quantum mechanics experiments and research provide fascinating insights, but at the end of the day it is yet another physicalist theory, which assumes space-time, matter and energy are fundamental building blocks of reality. This is starting to change among some physicists who claim "space-time is doomed" (google Nina Arkani-Hamed), but it's still the mainstream view.

I lean towards the view that space-time and matter/energy are constructs of conscious agents, and therefore provide no insight into the nature of fundamental reality (EXCEPT as symbols/metaphors, i.e. as used in ancient religious myths).

In this context, our analysis of neural networks with insects, mice, humans, is nothing more than an analysis of symbolic constructs. The analysis gives us just as much information as is useful for us to pass on genetic information to the next generation and no more. We are just recently starting to have real insights into the nature of conscious experiences within members of our species or very closely related ancestors through fields such as evolutionary psychology, but we have no hope in accessing the nature of conscious experience among insects.
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I am taking a break from posting the newz
« Reply #13418 on: July 16, 2019, 09:03:17 AM »
"It's a long way to temporary"

  The few days while going over the reported newz of the day, all I am seeing is some aspect of our screwed up world. Literally almost every headline is tragic news, or some aspect of the current immense changes and challenges the human race faces NOW!
It is almost the only way we can relate to the end of empire, and Eco-suicide. There has got to be some people out there who want to go beyond this trend of reporting doom. I will be fishing for the clues to what I hope happens soon.
  It is not the environment that surrounds you, it IS what you do with that environment that makes life tolerable, and it can be our own ideas about playing the game differently. So for now I will looking for some insight to this hurdle I am experiencing.

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Re: I am taking a break from posting the newz
« Reply #13419 on: July 16, 2019, 09:41:28 AM »
"It's a long way to temporary"

  The few days while going over the reported newz of the day, all I am seeing is some aspect of our screwed up world. Literally almost every headline is tragic news, or some aspect of the current immense changes and challenges the human race faces NOW!
It is almost the only way we can relate to the end of empire, and Eco-suicide. There has got to be some people out there who want to go beyond this trend of reporting doom. I will be fishing for the clues to what I hope happens soon.
  It is not the environment that surrounds you, it IS what you do with that environment that makes life tolerable, and it can be our own ideas about playing the game differently. So for now I will looking for some insight to this hurdle I am experiencing.

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Try Feeding the Masses.  It does wonders for the soul and your outlook on life.  You CAN post depressing newz and maintain a cheery outlook.  I do it every day.

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Re: I am taking a break from posting the newz
« Reply #13420 on: July 16, 2019, 05:06:42 PM »
"It's a long way to temporary"

  The few days while going over the reported newz of the day, all I am seeing is some aspect of our screwed up world. Literally almost every headline is tragic news, or some aspect of the current immense changes and challenges the human race faces NOW!
It is almost the only way we can relate to the end of empire, and Eco-suicide. There has got to be some people out there who want to go beyond this trend of reporting doom. I will be fishing for the clues to what I hope happens soon.
  It is not the environment that surrounds you, it IS what you do with that environment that makes life tolerable, and it can be our own ideas about playing the game differently. So for now I will looking for some insight to this hurdle I am experiencing.

Knarf


Try Feeding the Masses.  It does wonders for the soul and your outlook on life.  You CAN post depressing newz and maintain a cheery outlook.  I do it every day.

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One of the sure-fire cures for depression is to go and create some happiness for another. removes one's gaze from one's navel.

I certainly understand the cumulative effect of "the end of empire, and Eco-suicide" and trumpttrumptrump every day. I just want snarf to know how much I have appreciated his work; many of his posts have had another live on social media. As for RE, there is little more direct and noble work than feeding the hungry, and it is admirable.

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Flooding lingers in central US as heat wave threatens East Coast
« Reply #13421 on: July 17, 2019, 05:25:29 AM »
Slow-moving remnants of Barry delivered 16 inches of rain in southwestern Arkansas on Tuesday, breaking the state's record for the most precipitation from a tropical system.

 What's left of Barry now is forecast to combine with a frontal system, producing more severe storms, rainfall and potential flooding.

Flash flood alerts were issued Wednesday morning in seven states from Minnesota to New Jersey. Some areas could see more than 4 inches.



 The frontal system and tropical moisture from Barry also could ignite multiple severe storms in the Plains, the Upper Midwest and the Northeast later in the day.

Damaging winds, large hail and a slight chance for tornadoes are the biggest threats.



From Nebraska to New Jersey, two dozen states are under heat alerts on Wednesday morning, with the heat index in some sections probably topping 110.



The massive heat wave should continue into the weekend, from Kansas City to Chicago and all the way into New York City.


Triple-digit highs are expected near the end of the week.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/flooding-lingers-central-us-heat-wave-threatens-east/story?id=64384857&cid=clicksource_4380645_null_headlines_hed
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A six-year-old girl died Monday after she was hit in the head by a golf ball that her father hit, authorities said.
The child was sitting in a parked golf cart on a path left of where her father was teeing off, according to Orem Police Lt. Trent Colledge.
The two were at Sleepy Ridge Golf Course in Orem, Utah, police said.
The young girl was flown to a hospital in Salt Lake City in critical condition and died from her injuries later Monday evening.

CNN affiliate KSL identified the child as Aria Hill.
Aria's uncle told KSL the young girl was her father's "golfing buddy."

"She loved doing it and had a good time with it all," David Smith told the affiliate. "That was one of their things that they would do together. It was something that was really important to them and something they did all the time."
The incident is being investigated as a tragic accident, Colledge said, adding that police are not pursuing charges and have not released the names of the girl or her father.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/16/us/utah-girl-killed-golf-ball/index.html
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Former Ecuadorian President Rafael Correa said Tuesday his country was aware that WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange was interfering in the 2016 US presidential election from the safety of Ecuador's embassy in London, where he lived under political asylum until this year.
"We did notice that he was interfering in the elections and we do not allow that because we have principles, very clear values, as we would not like anyone to interfere in our elections," he said. "We are not going to allow that to happen with a foreign country and friend like the US."
Correa granted asylum in 2012 to Assange, who took refuge in the country's London embassy to avoid extradition to Sweden on sexual assault allegations, which he denies. Correa fueled his rise to power on anti-US vitriol and aligned with Assange after WikiLeaks published highly classified Pentagon materials.
Correa's comments came one day after CNN published an exclusive report about surveillance reports that describe how Assange transformed the Ecuadorian embassy into a command center and orchestrated a series of damaging disclosures that rocked the 2016 presidential campaign in the United States.

The report cited hundreds of surveillance documents detailing Assange's time inside the embassy. The documents describe how Assange met with Russians and world-class hackers at critical moments and acquired powerful new computing and network hardware to facilitate data transfers just weeks before WikiLeaks received hacked materials from Russian operatives.
"WikiLeaks' justification was that they were providing truthful information," Correa told CNN. "Sure, but (it) was just about Hillary Clinton. Not about (Donald) Trump. So, they were not saying all the truth. And not saying all the truth is called manipulation. And we are not going to allow that."
WikiLeaks did not respond to multiple requests for comment regarding the exclusive CNN reporting. Assange's lawyers declined to comment.
In the interview on Tuesday morning, Correa distanced himself from Assange, even though he has steadfastly defended his decision to grant asylum to the WikiLeaks founder in 2012.
"You know how many times I've spoken with Assange? Never. I don't know him," Correa said. "Just one time he interviewed me when he worked for Russia Today, via Skype."
Before Assange arrived at the embassy in 2012, he hosted a short-lived program on RT, an English-language television network controlled by the Kremlin. In the RT interview, Correa explained how he admired the American people but had problems with US foreign policy.
Correa was president of Ecuador from 2007 to 2017 and made a name for himself as a leading US antagonist in Latin America, in the mold of the late Venezuelan dictator Hugo Chavez.
The WikiLeaks disclosures undermined Clinton while she tried to consolidate her liberal base as she secured the Democratic nomination. They also gave Trump a lifeline when his campaign was on the brink of collapse in October 2016 after the "Access Hollywood" tape came out.
Despite Correa's ire against US policies, he rejected the notion that his government worked with Assange to help Trump win. The Kremlin's interference in the US election -- which was aided by WikiLeaks -- was designed to get Trump elected, according to US intelligence agencies. Assange denies that he worked on behalf of the Kremlin.
"I am way closer to Hillary Clinton than Trump," Correa told CNN. "I know Hillary, I admire her. I was a student in the US, doing my doctorate when Bill Clinton was (president). Trump is an enemy of our migrants. Why the hell are we going to support him? None of this makes sense."
CNN reported on Monday that in the wake of the October 2016 email dump targeting Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta, the US government raised concerns with Ecuador that Assange was using their embassy to help Russian election meddling. Shortly after that, the embassy cut off Assange's internet access and phone service.
But in the interview, Correa did not indicate that US outreach fueled that decision and he denied personally receiving a warning from US officials about Assange before the 2016 election.
The former Ecuadorian leader also said it was "nonsense" that Assange was "the head of the embassy," downplaying Assange's influence. The surveillance reports obtained by CNN described in extraordinary detail how Assange's power rivaled that of the ambassador and said Assange used his connections to senior officials in Ecuador to threaten diplomats and guards at the London embassy.

Correa was succeeded by Lenín Moreno, a close ally who had been his vice president for more than six years. But after Moreno was elected, he quickly turned against Correa and started undoing many of his policies, including his support for Assange. Moreno revoked Assange's asylum in April, paving the way for British police to remove him from the embassy.
When that happened, Correa said Moreno was "the greatest traitor in Ecuadorian and Latin American history," and said Moreno's decision was "a crime that humanity will never forget."

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Arby’s Has an Answer to Plant-Based Meat: A Meat-Based Carrot
« Reply #13424 on: July 17, 2019, 05:53:05 AM »
Amid rising demand for beef alternatives, major restaurant chains remain skeptical. One has vowed never to offer them, while others are taking a wait-and-see approach.


“If they can make meat from veggies (and other stuff),” Arby’s says, “we can make veggies from meat.”

It has been christened the marrot.

In the past year, several prominent restaurant chains have added plant-based burgers, sausages and ground beef to their menus, embracing a growing consumer demand for vegetarian products that simulate the taste and texture of meat.

But Arby’s is going in the opposite direction. Rather than invest in such alternatives, the chain has unveiled a product designed to poke fun at fans of meatless meat: a carrot made from turkey.

A recent promotional video shows the step-by-step preparation of this “meat vegetable,” which consists of turkey breast wrapped in cheesecloth and coated in a carrot marinade. “If they can make meat from veggies (and other stuff),” a caption on the video says, “we can make veggies from meat.”

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The advent of the marrot highlights a broader challenge facing the plant-based meat movement: Even as chains like Burger King and White Castle embrace meatless alternatives, most restaurant brands remain skeptical.

Arby’s insists that its marrot is not a stunt — or, at least, not entirely.

“It is pretty funny,” said Rob Lynch, the company’s president. For now, it is unclear whether the product will ever end up on a menu. “We are actively working to determine whether or not we can scale this,” Mr. Lynch said. “I would probably put it at 50-50.”

While Arby’s has flatly rejected plant-based meat, other chains are taking a more cautious approach.

“Most restaurant chains are really opting out for now,” said Jonathan Maze, the executive editor of Restaurant Business Magazine, a trade publication. “There’s a strong argument to be had for taking a wait-and-see approach. A lot of this just really smells fadlike. It’s still a very new thing.”


The ingredients, starting with turkey breast shaped into a “marrot.”

On the whole, it has been an impressive year for Beyond Meat and Impossible Foods, the leading makers of plant-based meat. Restaurant sales of meat alternatives have risen 268 percent. Beyond Meat’s share price has soared since the company went public in May. Impossible Foods’ partnership with Burger King has increased foot traffic at some of the chain’s locations. And several other major chains — including Carl’s Jr., the Cheesecake Factory, Little Caesars and Qdoba — have introduced meatless meat products.

But among big chains, there are also plenty of naysayers.

After The Information reported in May that Arby’s was in talks with Impossible Foods, the fast-food company publicly disavowed plant-based burgers, and cast itself as the guardian of “real meats.”

In June, Shake Shack’s chief executive, Randy Garutti, said on CNBC that he had no plans to introduce a plant-based product. “Shake Shack was built on doing classic things better than other people did them,” he said. “So let’s watch a little bit.”

And Taco Bell, which is introducing a new vegetarian menu this fall, has also chosen to stay on the sidelines.

Of the 15 largest fast-food chains in the United States, only Burger King and Little Caesars offer plant-based meat. A spokeswoman for KFC said the company had “no plans” to test a plant-based meat product. Nor does Dairy Queen: “Currently we are focused on other priorities involving our menu,” a spokesman said.

A Wendy’s representative said that the response from customers was mixed when the chain tested a bean-based burger in a few cities, but that it might “look for opportunities in the future.” Domino’s said it “may consider testing” meatless meat at some point, and representatives of Pizza Hut and Dunkin’ said the companies were in the early stages of “exploring” plant-based alternatives.

One major fast-food chain that has not ruled out selling a plant-based burger is McDonald’s. A few months ago, the company worked with Nestlé to test a meatless patty in Germany, the Big Vegan TS. For now, though, top McDonald’s executives seem unconvinced that bringing the burger to the United States makes financial sense.

“We’ve got to make sure the consumer trend is sustaining,” Steve Easterbrook, the company’s chief executive, said on an earnings call in May. A McDonald’s spokeswoman said the chain would “continue to listen to customers to understand changing trends and evolving tastes.”

Adding a plant-based cheeseburger would not be easy for McDonald’s. The company is trying to simplify its menu, and the introduction of a meatless Big Mac would “add a considerable amount of complexity to the kitchen,” Mr. Maze said, noting that valuable grill space would have to be reserved for the product.

“It warrants taking some time,” he added.

Beyond Meat declined to comment on the reluctance of some major chains to adopt plant-based meat, citing a mandatory quiet period before the company releases its quarterly earnings report in August. Jessica Appelgren, an Impossible Foods spokeswoman, said in a statement that the company had “met with the majority of national chains and will continue to do so.”

“We plan to be everywhere meat is sold as quickly as possible and hope to work with all of the restaurants where consumers are delighting in meat,” she added.

Some of the skepticism about meatless meat stems at least partly from the products’ nutritional content. Climate experts have argued that switching over to plant-based meat could help the environment by eliminating thousands of tons of carbon emissions. Dietitians have been less enthusiastic, voicing concerns over the lengthy ingredient lists on products like the Beyond Burger and Burger King’s Impossible Whopper.

“There’s definitely a trend of people moving out of red meat,” said Ricardo San Martin, the research director at the alternative meat program at the University of California, Berkeley. “But at the same time, another trend is against processed foods, and all these products are processed.”

Ms. Appelgren, the Impossible Foods spokeswoman, said that the company “makes products that are at least as nutritious as the products the company is trying to replace” and that its signature burger did not contain any cholesterol.

For some health-conscious consumers, that assurance may not be enough. Executives at Panera Bread have spoken informally with the leading companies in the plant-based meat industry and have sampled their products. At the moment, however, Panera Bread customers simply are not asking for plant-based meat, according to Sara Burnett, the chain’s vice president for wellness and food policy.

“They’re looking for whole food protein, things like quinoa and black beans and edamame,” rather than processed ingredients, Ms. Burnett said.

That does not mean Panera intends to ignore plant-based meat forever. “We have looked at probably everything that’s out there,” she said. “Never say never.”

Arby’s has no intention of changing course. Just days after unveiling the marrot, Mr. Lynch, the chief executive, said the chain already had another meat-based plant in the works.

“We’re calling it moccoli,” he said, “which we think would go really well with our Cheddar sauce.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/16/business/arbys-fake-carrot.html
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