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Re: People's Climate March (310,000 people -- estimated)
« Reply #15 on: September 23, 2014, 06:23:50 PM »
Not to those of us striding along with the ongoing transition to do our part to make Big Oil as obsolete as possible.

Do you think anybody here buys this pile of steaming bullshit you are pitching?  Are you that clueless?


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Re: People's Climate March (310,000 people -- estimated)
« Reply #16 on: September 24, 2014, 03:46:20 AM »
http://thecolbertreport.cc.com/videos/01cyc2/tip-wag---climate-change-marchers---senators-on-reality-tv

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« Reply #17 on: September 24, 2014, 04:03:17 AM »
http://thecolbertreport.cc.com/videos/01cyc2/tip-wag---climate-change-marchers---senators-on-reality-tv

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjuGCJJUGsg

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<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/cjuGCJJUGsg?feature=player_detailpage" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/cjuGCJJUGsg?feature=player_detailpage</a>

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Re: People's Climate March (310,000 people -- estimated)
« Reply #18 on: September 24, 2014, 11:35:48 AM »
Are marches an effective way of growing a social change movement?
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Re: People's Climate March (310,000 people -- estimated)
« Reply #19 on: September 24, 2014, 11:47:20 AM »
Are marches an effective way of growing a social change movement?

Good question. Did the marches grow the civil rights movement, or the reaction of the honkies to the marching?
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Re: People's Climate March (310,000 people -- estimated)
« Reply #20 on: September 24, 2014, 12:54:07 PM »
I think marches can be effective in growing a social change movement, yes. I am concerned that TPTB are getting very effective at repressing social change movements in general, and marches in particular.

But I think these movements have to reach a certain critical mass, have some broad groundswell of support, or they tend to fade away, much like Occupy has faded, at least temporarily.

My other main concern is that even if the masses of people insist on change, that it isn't understood that the problems are not going to be solvable by taking baby steps. It's way too late for that. Carbon credits and that sort of lip service to change is not going to solve anything, maybe make it worse.

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Re: People's Climate March (310,000 people -- estimated)
« Reply #21 on: September 24, 2014, 03:17:40 PM »

[....] But I think these movements have to reach a certain critical mass, have some broad groundswell of support, or they tend to fade away, much like Occupy has faded, at least temporarily.

Flood Wall Street is/was ... seems to be an effort to revive much of the Occupy movement's spirit. http://floodwallstreet.net/

I noticed that they used "the people's mic" and other fixtures of Occupy.  -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_microphone


After People’s Climate March, Thousands Re-Kindle Occupy Wall Street
http://billmoyers.com/2014/09/23/flood-wall-street/
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Re: People's Climate March (310,000 people -- estimated)
« Reply #23 on: September 24, 2014, 04:11:37 PM »
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these days across all western countries before a demonstration, picket or march can go ahead the shire/county has to give permission and set out the time, date, location and route. Intimidating police presence is there to pick up anyone for an infraction, and in spain for example the penalties are enough to bankrupt the average person. More important is that the news now also needs pre-approval to report on it.
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Re: People's Climate March (310,000 people -- estimated)
« Reply #24 on: September 24, 2014, 04:22:17 PM »
JRM
these days across all western countries before a demonstration, picket or march can go ahead the shire/county has to give permission and set out the time, date, location and route. Intimidating police presence is there to pick up anyone for an infraction, and in spain for example the penalties are enough to bankrupt the average person.

Here in the US, these local statutes are all in conflict with the 1st amendment of the US constitution -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution


More important is that the news now also needs pre-approval to report on it.

Obviously, this too would be in conflict with the 1st amendment.

Got examples?
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Re: People's Climate March (310,000 people -- estimated)
« Reply #25 on: September 24, 2014, 04:29:58 PM »
Flood Wall St.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/22/flood-wall-street-photos_n_5861848.html

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/09/flood-wall-street-occupys-family-reunion.html

http://occupywallstreet.net/story/after-people%E2%80%99s-climate-march-flood-wall-street

etc., etc.

Well…at least they scheduled this thing to actually get folks to NOTICE….versus the other gang.

As far as it being like Occupy….eh….
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Re: People's Climate March (310,000 people -- estimated)
« Reply #26 on: September 24, 2014, 04:55:26 PM »
JRM
these days across all western countries before a demonstration, picket or march can go ahead the shire/county has to give permission and set out the time, date, location and route. Intimidating police presence is there to pick up anyone for an infraction, and in spain for example the penalties are enough to bankrupt the average person.

Here in the US, these local statutes are all in conflict with the 1st amendment of the US constitution -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution


More important is that the news now also needs pre-approval to report on it.

Obviously, this too would be in conflict with the 1st amendment.

Got examples?

In 2002 there was in Perth, Western Australia a city of 2m people a march from the Family Court to the Parliament House, basically something like Congress. The news channels were notified and there were hundreds of people. NO REPORTING.

Earlier this year there was in Hobart Tasmania, a small city but still the state capital, a demonstration about freedom to sell eggs without stamps and freedom to grow and sell vegetables and fruit and remaining GM free. News were notified, I dont know how many people , maybe 200 but no reporting even locally.
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Re: People's Climate March (310,000 people -- estimated)
« Reply #27 on: September 24, 2014, 05:03:27 PM »
I'm not doubting that there is a general lack of reporting of matters that obviously should be reported upon.  What I question is ... Why?

You said "More important is that the news now also needs pre-approval to report on it." I want to know if there is any evidence for this.
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Re: People's Climate March (310,000 people -- estimated)
« Reply #28 on: September 24, 2014, 06:15:15 PM »
I'm not doubting that there is a general lack of reporting of matters that obviously should be reported upon.  What I question is ... Why?

You said "More important is that the news now also needs pre-approval to report on it." I want to know if there is any evidence for this.

Not by formal statute, but I know two news journalists and a TV reporter of 'today tonight' and both have spoken about the senior editors and legal departments careful consideration of any story they want to follow. Its pretty obvious they can t step on toes connected to asses they need to kiss.
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Re: People's Climate March (310,000 people -- estimated)
« Reply #29 on: September 25, 2014, 09:53:05 AM »
Its pretty obvious they can t step on toes connected to asses they need to kiss.

Oh, yes, THAT! I'm very familiar with that dynamic.  All of the major media seems to be involved in smooching corporate derrière, which is why the only real journalism in most of the world is not "mainstream," which means "corporate".

Speaking of which, if anyone here has some useful and reliable news and commentary sources on either the People's Climate March or Flood Wall Street (etc.), please let us here in on 'em. Thanks!
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