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Antares Rocket Explosion
« on: October 28, 2014, 10:28:31 PM »
Speculation in this Video that the Antares was knocked down by an EMP attack.  :o

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/WnnAmuIGsQo?feature=player_detailpage" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/WnnAmuIGsQo?feature=player_detailpage</a>

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Re: Antares Rocket Explosion
« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2014, 01:11:57 AM »
Speculation in this Video that the Antares was knocked down by an EMP attack.  :o

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/WnnAmuIGsQo?feature=player_detailpage" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/WnnAmuIGsQo?feature=player_detailpage</a>

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 Even a stopped clock is right twice a day. I am quite familiar with the website that "Dahboo7" cites, Before it's News. This is a site that makes its bones hyperventilating about absolutely everything. A sampling of this morning's headlines:

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 In other words, a rats nest of half-baked conspiracy theories and justifications for those who want to find the "end times" in every bowl of Wheaties.  And this from a longtime conspiracy theorist.  Not to mention that the EMP theory does grave offense to Occam's razor.  Why posit  sabotage when simple incompetence will do? Especially at the hands of an agency with a documented track record for same.
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« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2014, 02:09:17 AM »

 In other words, a rats nest of half-baked conspiracy theories and justifications for those who want to find the "end times" in every bowl of Wheaties.  And this from a longtime conspiracy theorist.  Not to mention that the EMP theory does grave offense to Occam's razor.  Why posit  sabotage when simple incompetence will do? Especially at the hands of an agency with a documented track record for same.

You will clearly LOVE my upcoming article in about 2 minutes,  "ANTARES FLYING PENIS BLOWS THE CONDOM!"  :icon_mrgreen:

In it I got quotes from fucking NBC NEWZ, and I correlate the Rocket Explosions with the Geopolitics.  Occam's Razor my ass.  ::)

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« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2014, 02:58:39 AM »

 In other words, a rats nest of half-baked conspiracy theories and justifications for those who want to find the "end times" in every bowl of Wheaties.  And this from a longtime conspiracy theorist.  Not to mention that the EMP theory does grave offense to Occam's razor.  Why posit  sabotage when simple incompetence will do? Especially at the hands of an agency with a documented track record for same.

You will clearly LOVE my upcoming article in about 2 minutes,  "ANTARES FLYING PENIS BLOWS THE CONDOM!"  :icon_mrgreen:

In it I got quotes from fucking NBC NEWZ, and I correlate the Rocket Explosions with the Geopolitics.  Occam's Razor my ass.  ::)

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Coincidence is not causation. The NBC Newz quote notwhstanding, it is not surprising that those responsible for the crypto would be acting like assholes and control freaks. Of course they want their toys back.

If you are going to substitute the ravings of dahboo7 as evidence, you are now the Suzanne Posel of Doom.

What's next? A surface-to-air missile fired by Russian separatists? Or was it brought down by a Ukrainian fighter?
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« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2014, 03:16:49 AM »
Coincidence is not causation.

ONE Coinkidink is not causation.  REPEATED coinkidinks with the same general MO imply something deeper is going on.

Conspiracy Websites aren't ALWAYS wrong you know.  You think all the JFK Conspiracy Websites are always WRONG just because they see a conspiracy in EVERYTHING?

Come on.  The Rocket goes up in flames JUST when Putin is TELEGRAPHING "Consequences" for pursuing the sanctions meme?

You really believe this is unrelated and just an accident?  Really?

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« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2014, 03:34:17 AM »
Coincidence is not causation.

ONE Coinkidink is not causation.  REPEATED coinkidinks with the same general MO imply something deeper is going on.

Conspiracy Websites aren't ALWAYS wrong you know.  You think all the JFK Conspiracy Websites are always WRONG just because they see a conspiracy in EVERYTHING?

Come on.  The Rocket goes up in flames JUST when Putin is TELEGRAPHING "Consequences" for pursuing the sanctions meme?

You really believe this is unrelated and just an accident?  Really?

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In the absence of proof otherwise, yes.

If National Security Corpstate™ can gin up ANY evidence of Russkie sabotage, do you NOT think they will wave it about like a bride's mother waving a bloody bedsheet to prove her daughter was a virgin?
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« Reply #6 on: October 29, 2014, 03:42:44 AM »
Coincidence is not causation.

ONE Coinkidink is not causation.  REPEATED coinkidinks with the same general MO imply something deeper is going on.

Conspiracy Websites aren't ALWAYS wrong you know.  You think all the JFK Conspiracy Websites are always WRONG just because they see a conspiracy in EVERYTHING?

Come on.  The Rocket goes up in flames JUST when Putin is TELEGRAPHING "Consequences" for pursuing the sanctions meme?

You really believe this is unrelated and just an accident?  Really?

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How about the flight officer pressing the "detonate" button?

BREAKING: Antares Rocket Explodes on Takeoff

From the article:

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As expected, they won't comment on the possible cause of the accident, but did say the astronauts on ISS are in no danger... The next step is to analyze the data from telemetry, cameras on the ground, and the debris. Incidentally, they did say the Flight Safety Officer did hit the detonate button after the initial failure, but it's not clear to me just when. They haven't released the exact timeline, so we won't know the precise timing of what happened when until that's released.
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« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2014, 03:47:24 AM »

If National Security Corpstate™ can gin up ANY evidence of Russkie sabotage, do you NOT think they will wave it about like a bride's mother waving a bloody bedsheet to prove her daughter was a virgin?

No I don't.  Because this would be admitting they are VULNERABLE to Ruskie attack on their technology.  The meme is we are so SUPERIOR the Ruskies (Chinese etc) cannot touch us.

Besides that, they would also have to disclose just WTF they were sending up that is so DANGEROUS nobody should even TOUCH it if they find some debris, and what those Nano-Satellites were engineered to DO.

They have more to LOSE admitting that it was sabotaged than they can gain by identifying the sabotage, even if they can, which they probably cannot.  It could have been done in many ways, and I doubt it was EMP.  Hackers more likely, and hardware sabotage.  Remember, many components for these rockets are outsourced.  Anybody manufaturing any component could insert a Trojan Horse.

The FSoA is dependent on Ruskie rockets.  We simply do not have the rocket manufacturing infrastructure here anymore.  If the Ruskies shut down what Rockets we can put up, they hold the High Ground.  Our Owners will never admit they have been trumped by Vlad the Impaler.

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« Reply #8 on: October 29, 2014, 03:51:40 AM »

How about the flight officer pressing the "detonate" button?

How about I sell you some Swampland in FL?

Flight Officer pushes "Detonate" Button?  WHY?  Who PAID him to push it if he did in fact do that?  This is after the fact spin control.

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« Reply #9 on: October 29, 2014, 04:17:03 AM »
I find it suspicious, usually various countries developing these had a lot of flops in the early stages of perfecting them which was a long time ago, and even then they usually at least got off the ground a few feet first before blowing up. By this stage it should be a safe procedure, unless they are out of practice due to relying on outsourcing to the chinese and indians for too long. I dont discount the possibility that in this age of proxy covert war they would want to sabotage sattelites that could be part of missile defense shields, if that was the load. 
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« Reply #10 on: October 29, 2014, 04:36:32 AM »

How about the flight officer pressing the "detonate" button?

How about I sell you some Swampland in FL?

Flight Officer pushes "Detonate" Button?  WHY?  Who PAID him to push it if he did in fact do that?  This is after the fact spin control.

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Wrong. Standard safety protocol from the dawn of the age of rocketry.

You're wrong, Suzanne.
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« Reply #11 on: October 29, 2014, 04:42:25 AM »
I find it suspicious, usually various countries developing these had a lot of flops in the early stages of perfecting them which was a long time ago, and even then they usually at least got off the ground a few feet first before blowing up. By this stage it should be a safe procedure, unless they are out of practice due to relying on outsourcing to the chinese and indians for too long. I dont discount the possibility that in this age of proxy covert war they would want to sabotage sattelites that could be part of missile defense shields, if that was the load.

Orbital Sciences Corporation is a private company responsible for the Antares. So what you are seeing here is the invisible hand of the free market,  in all its majesty, distilling yet another miracle.  private launch companies sprung up over the past several years in the belief that NASA had become too hidebound and expensive.  so we the people bear the expense for providing the launch facilities, and private concerns take the risks and reap the rewards of successful flights.  (In much the same way that we privatized "security" for our embassies overseas to mercenary companies like Blackwater/Academy and others. So instead of paying X for the security details, we now pay 1.5X and make a handful of private contractors obscenely wealthy.)

It may well be sabotage; the only way we will know as it becomes part of the National Security Corpstate™'s propaganda war.
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« Reply #12 on: October 29, 2014, 04:45:31 AM »
Wrong. Standard safety protocol from the dawn of the age of rocketry.

Standard Safety Protocol is to EXPLODE a Rocket that otherwise has a good launch?

There was no indication of any problem based on the NASA video.  Why would Standard Safety Protocol of BLOWING UP the Rocket be implemeted?

He made a MISTAKE?  His finger SLIPPED and he accidentally BLEW UP the Rocket?  :oops:

Grasp a few more straws here why dontchya.

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« Reply #13 on: October 29, 2014, 04:59:36 AM »
Wrong. Standard safety protocol from the dawn of the age of rocketry.

Standard Safety Protocol is to EXPLODE a Rocket that otherwise has a good launch?

There was no indication of any problem based on the NASA video.  Why would Standard Safety Protocol of BLOWING UP the Rocket be implemeted?

He made a MISTAKE?  His finger SLIPPED and he accidentally BLEW UP the Rocket?  :oops:

Grasp a few more straws here why dontchya.

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Don't be an asshole.

I've done documentaries about this shit. Most rockets of any size have a self-destruct mechanism to be deployed in the event of failure. The story goes that there was a "catastrophic failure" several seconds in. Destroying the rocket early would limit the debris field and the resultant fallout and exposure from its highly classified cargo, yes?

http://www.orbital.com/NewsInfo/MissionUpdates/Orb-3/

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/10/28/us-space-orbital-idUSKBN0IH2F220141028

http://qz.com/288490/a-spectacular-explosion-marks-the-first-failure-of-nasas-commercial-rocket-program/

It would make more sense to blame Elon Musk (SpaceX, Orbital's competition).

Do some homework.
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Re: Antares Rocket Explosion
« Reply #14 on: October 29, 2014, 02:06:38 PM »
I find it suspicious, usually various countries developing these had a lot of flops in the early stages of perfecting them which was a long time ago, and even then they usually at least got off the ground a few feet first before blowing up. By this stage it should be a safe procedure, unless they are out of practice due to relying on outsourcing to the chinese and indians for too long. I dont discount the possibility that in this age of proxy covert war they would want to sabotage sattelites that could be part of missile defense shields, if that was the load.

Orbital Sciences Corporation is a private company responsible for the Antares. So what you are seeing here is the invisible hand of the free market,  in all its majesty, distilling yet another miracle.  private launch companies sprung up over the past several years in the belief that NASA had become too hidebound and expensive.  so we the people bear the expense for providing the launch facilities, and private concerns take the risks and reap the rewards of successful flights.  (In much the same way that we privatized "security" for our embassies overseas to mercenary companies like Blackwater/Academy and others. So instead of paying X for the security details, we now pay 1.5X and make a handful of private contractors obscenely wealthy.)

It may well be sabotage; the only way we will know as it becomes part of the National Security Corpstate™'s propaganda war.

Plus, the "there has been 70 years to work out the bugs" is nonsense. Rocket designs change to take advantage of newer technology (materials, computers,...). With each change one gets the possibilities of new bugs.

 

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