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The Paradox Inherent in Any Slave Nation Revolution
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How exactly do you cook a nutritious meal if all you have are spoiled ingredients? The answer depends upon your definition of nutritious and who is eating the meal……and, of course, your level of hunger and growing desperation. It is telling how much less discerning we become when the hunger pains boom in our belly and our mind becomes ever more focused on the single minded obsession of relieving our pain rather than pursuing our pleasure. Although at some point down the slippery slope relieving our pain is pursuing our pleasure.


If I carefully tend my garden, making certain the soil is thoroughly turned and pulverized, the seeds and seedlings properly planted, the area fertilized, weeded and watered and yet my garden’s yield is poor year after year after year, at what point do I begin to question the basis for my assumptions? And clearly there is an assumption of a better yield if I continue to do the same thing and expect different results.


Perhaps the soil is too acidic or alkaline, the area in shadow too long or the crop selection not suited for the soil or geographic location. The issue might be any or all of the above, or it might be something entirely different. Only a fearless and thorough examination of both the garden and gardener will reveal the systemic faults, and thereby the remedies to be employed.


It is a common belief in the West that revolution, at least when ‘successful’ (which usually means a forced change in leadership) produces reasonably good outcomes for the population at large. I contend this is wishful thinking and a deliberately seeded misnomer designed to obscure and conceal the ugly recognition that most often the new boss is quite similar in method and madness to the old boss. Change via revolution should not be conflated with better, nor should it be assumed better is the inevitable outcome.


The paradox of revolution springs from one central source, albeit a source widely dispersed and with many reverberations. Even if the revolutionaries wear white hats and are genuinely interested in fomenting ‘good’ change, with ‘good’ usually understood to mean ridding the country/region of the parasitic leaches and sociopaths along with the madmen at the top, changing the patsies throughout the governmental power structure doesn’t root out the sociopaths embedded within the country’s elite, essentially the King’s court along with several of the King’s men.


Since the King serves at the pleasure of his court, killing the King does little if anything to root out the source of real power in the country or region. Like tics dug in deep under a dog’s fur and attached directly to the economic blood supply, the established power base must either be thoroughly dislodged, thereby risking utter economic collapse, or a deal made to accommodate their continuing presence in order to enable the newly crowned King time to organize and govern.


Regardless of whether or not damage was done to the infrastructure and overall economy during the revolution, the new leadership often opts to cut a deal with the existing elite in order to quickly consolidate power and demonstrate to the population some sort of progress towards restoration of commerce and an increased standard of living. This very act of questionably necessary compromise and accommodation means the ‘good’ imagined by the revolutionaries has already been sidetrack and subverted, though by how much remains to be seen.


Liberty - CleanLady Liberty – A controlling mind meme


These issues are further compounded since the global elite do not respect national boundaries in the same manner you and I are forced to do. Money’ is fungible and convertible and quickly moved by those who possess both large quantities and international financial contacts. This means the elite can apply significant external pressure using a variety of means to compel the revolutionaries to concede on many business regulations, tax concessions and the selling of national assets if they wish to receive external assistance from the blood sucking tics.


Basically the economic hit-men are sent in and the revolutionaries are read the riot act. Play international ball or we will take your ball (and possibly your country) away. Facing Hobson’s Choice, either they dislodge the elite and become the next Cuba or North Korea, isolated from most of civilization and it’s economic and financial opportunities, or they join the ranks of the corrupt and in the process profit handsomely from their hard labors ‘liberating’ the downtrodden. It is easy to see how this self serving decision can be rationalized away.


This scenario doesn’t even take into consideration that in all likelihood the revolutionaries already hitched their wagon to a group of elites (internal or external, it doesn’t really matter) during the early stages of the uprising in order to gain military and financial assistance. That bill comes due immediately upon demand, thereby assuring the economic hit-men easy access to the top. In most cases the tics are already deeply embedded within the revolution.


This brings us to an important corollary to my theorem. With a global and local population thoroughly conditioned with the slave mentality of respect, or just plain fear, for self declared (elite) authority along with severe generational Stockholm Syndrome, even before the revolution begins to take hold the revolutionaries quickly realize in order to win the population over, or simply to neutralize it, they must employ the exact same herding and bullying techniques as the present, and soon to be previous, status quo leadership uses to control the native population.


Essentially the vast majority of the existing population is already suffering to one degree or another under the present day rule. And they are doing nothing to free themselves from their oppressed condition. Other than the very small minority who will join the rebellion when hope surfaces with the insurgency, the majority will remain either neutral (meaning frozen in fear glued to their propaganda mind control devices) or will rise to defend their shepherd……or at the very least their meal ticket. The ultimate enemy of a revolution is not the oppressive government it is attempting to overthrow, but the general population it is trying to ‘free‘.


This virtually assures if and when the revolution ‘succeeds’ the new boss will appear quite similar to the old boss, since it is nearly impossible to resist using an extremely effective herding technique once the revolution has gained control of the civilian population using the very same techniques. While some of the citizens will welcome the leadership change, for they labor under the mistaken belief good times are just around the corner, for the most part the recently elevated revolutionary King will face a suspicious and even hostile civilian population, especially if the controlling propaganda memes are interrupted by the recent regime change.


All the more reason to ruthlessly quell dissent and consolidate power by making deals with the elite devil(s) while using strong arm tactics on the general population, something the slave mentality will generally applaud as needed and necessary to ‘restore law and order and make the streets safe’. Ultimately a population conditioned to believe only a higher authority can save them from themselves will beg for an authority, any authority, to fill the vacuum left behind when the last figure head authority was deposed.


While over the ages there have been hundreds of slightly different permutations of the above scenario endlessly played out as one after another revolution rises up only to quickly fizzle out, assuring an endless stream of sociopath patsies rotating through the halls of power, the basic blueprint rarely changes regardless of the social, economic or technological ‘progress’ achieved.


Civil War Cannon - CleanThe Blueprint for Slavery – Killing each other to benefit the master.


As disturbing as this concept might be for those minds who consider themselves free, we still live, work and play under a form of slave plantation organization. No – the US is not fundamentally different, though this is most certainly the controlling meme, one of outstanding exceptionalism. What makes the US unique (or at least first) is the rousing success the embedded tics had in developing the next iteration of the slave plantation system, one where the slaves were given limited freedom of choice in exchange for greater participation and productivity. Even now this experiment is coming to a close as the profits dwindle……and with them the slave’s choices. In a sociopath’s world, nothing assures eventual collapse more than unparalleled success.


The biggest difference between the slave toiling away on a 19th century Deep South cotton plantation and the modern ‘educated’ self determining ‘free’ debt addled office, factory or service worker is the degree of mobility, living standard, and belief in our own freedom. Not to mention our rock solid belief in the ‘guarantee’ of our basic ‘human’ (slave) rights. Ever wonder who exactly is making, and supposedly fulfilling, that guarantee?


“None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.”Wolfgang von Goethe


I am fairly certain the prior statements will elicit either violent emotional triggering in rebuttal (denial is often the first line of cognitive defense) or a quiet calm as the slave mind quickly overcomes the sudden rise of cognitive dissonance by differentiating itself from the rest of the herd……as it always does in order to tolerate its captivity. Ironically the latter self subterfuge is the favorite refuge of those of us who consider ourselves awake and aware.


From a practical point of view, while the modern slave enjoys many ‘benefits’ only dreamed of by the slaves of the Deep South, the ‘benefits’ enjoyed by the elite modern slave master which are derived from the exponentially higher productivity of the modern slave far exceeds any concessions the master has made to the slave. Concessions I might add that can, will and are being quickly rescinded.


Even though “We the People” believe our selves already free, and the level of technology salted throughout our modern lives tend to confirm our delusional thinking, this technology also serves as the robust chain that binds us to our plantation. The massive and still growing global surveillance state (not just in the USA but throughout the world both East and West) assures the controlling elite not only the means to track and eavesdrop, but to implant the latest mind controlling memes and narratives directly into our minds. Upgrades and updates are just a finger swipe away. The endless variety of news and information sources available at our fingertips virtually assures each of us will be told exactly what we wish to hear, see and think.


With the mind of the master now firmly implanted in our pocket or purse, the concept of revolution can be quickly derailed or co-opted among the great unwashed masses. While this doesn’t dissuade the truly disaffected from pushing back at the margins, it does severely limit the number of minds willing to be freed from the controlling matrix. A conditioned mind always returns to its core dependency for affirmation and confirmation of the correctness of its debased state.


It can be competently and convincingly argued, at least when dealing with a mind willing and able to see all sides of the issue, that far from being free and independent, the modern wage slave is far more indentured to his or her servitude than at any other time in history. What this means is that any revolution, in addition to all the issues outlined above, has a much steeper hill to climb than ever before if it is to eventually ‘succeed’.


Just as enlightening to recognize is one simple fact. Similar to the situation where unless all the head lice are removed at the same time, the infestation continues, so too if the sociopaths are not removed in mass globally with one fell swoop of civil uprising, the infestation continues. While the controlling sociopaths share the same self survival impulse as we mere mortals, they do not share our propensity to live and let live. Therefore they will quickly and efficiently sacrifice fellow elite sociopaths in order to sate the blood thirsty mobs, thereby assuring (or at a minimum prolonging) their continued control of the slave nation.


Because the general population lives within the fiction of the controlling meme, meaning the mostly false narrative deeply embedded within our minds of what is real and what is not, as long as the changing of the guard produced by revolution remains within the controlling mind meme narrative nothing really changes for the slave population other than in the most superficial manner. Instead of a ration of 20 units of chocolate each day I have been assured a raise to 100 units of chocolate per week. Thus even when the sociopaths lose they still win.


Chocolate - CleanI got my raise. Who wants to barter?


After hundreds, even thousands, of years of failed revolutions and endless rounds of rotating sociopath leaders, maybe it is time to question the very premise of ‘revolution’ and what exactly is happening here. Since you and I cannot force change upon the world with the snap of our fingers, the only path out of this paradox is to break free from the controlling meme and recognize our own participation in, and endorsement of, the slave plantation state.


This is not to say attempting to protect ourselves from the manipulated herd or the layers of well armed muscle surrounding the sociopath leaders is pointless and futile. Nor should we passively let go when the gathering tide is tugging at our feet. But to blindly assume any response from you or me is either doomed to fail (for example assuming you can’t fight city hall) or expected to succeed (such as being armed and awake in the redoubt) and all points in-between, is at this point utter insanity on our part. Doing the same thing and expecting different results is – well, you know – insane.


To assume I and millions of others can unravel thousands of years of social conditioning and manipulation in mere months or even years if only we were to do ‘something’ is the very definition of self delusion, serving only to set myself and others up for eventual failure. The source of my urgent impulse to action, which usually consists of little more than high frequency vibrating in place similar to a deer in the headlights (an extremely unhealthy state of affairs I might add) is an at times irrational fear for my ‘self’ once my eyes have glimpsed first light and begin to recognize the layers of (self) deceit and treachery which encompasses the modern slave state.


When this is combined with an often falsely perceived close proximity to the soon-to-be mad-as-hell hungry hoards when first light is involuntarily thrust upon them, this bitter cocktail goads my mind into believing something must be done right now or all is lost later. With the brain now effectively short circuited and disconnected, and the body operating solely on fear induced adrenaline, hence the high frequency vibration, we become our own personalized sub sect of the mindless masses. And right there my friend is the ultimate source of history’s rhyme, the co-opted revolutionary mind leading the forever blind.


The dirty little secret dear reader is glaringly obvious once accepted; this ‘belief’ that we must fight fire with fire, that lines must be draw – this far and no further, that time is of the essence and the end is so near, is part and parcel of the overall controlling mind meme. To paraphrase the Architect as he spoke with Neo, “You think you are the first, but you are not. There is a long line behind you and an even longer line ahead.”


There is an unbalanced equation inherent (more accurately described as deliberately implanted) in our programming which results in a tragically poor yield to our endless revolutions. It might be the soil or the crops, the light or the gardener. Then again it might not. The only apparent choices available to us are a product of the controlling meme and are patently false unless they are recognized for what they are. Only our acknowledgement and full acceptance that we willing participated in this macabre dance can invalidate the false choices and open new doors. Either we create our own reality or we exist as subjects of theirs.


To deny these basic and self evident truths is to deny us our ultimate freedom, the freedom from self. This is the source of our power and the elite know this, thus the reason they are so desperate to ramp up their subjugation and control. Their power is simply our power brilliantly co-opted, and all we need do to take it back is snap our fingers and they are suddenly naked and exposed. I love the smell of elite desperation in the morning.


This is not false hope, but rather obvious truth. However, unless “We the Individual” can overcome and surpass our thoroughly conditioned and manipulated ‘self’, the game will never change other than at the most local of levels and for the shortest periods of time. There is a reason we rats are always caught in the trap. When we finally ask of our ‘self’ the only pertinent question that matters – why do I continue to play the fool in the slave master’s game – then we can begin to recognize the only path out of this maze is to be found when we finally look within.



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Re: The Paradox Inherent in Any Slave Nation Revolution
« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2015, 05:43:47 AM »
You can't moan about the rich if you are a debt peon, because it's your debt peonage that makes them rich. Give up your debts and be poor. Don't be like the Greeks, who want their debts forgiven, so they can start accumulating more debt.

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« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2015, 10:13:57 AM »
This is why I dismiss out-of-hand, RE's talk about hanging them high, etc. It's just repeating patterns. If I'm fomenting anything, it is spirit, it's encouragement, for people to think for themselves, to try to give them some context and tools, for how to interpret the world. Let them figure out what they are going to do with that.

If there is going to be anything like a revolution that isn't just a repetition of the past, I see it as a peaceful jubilee, a rejoicing in the wonder that is this beautiful earth and this universe. A magic revolution of expanded consciousness, and the building of an economy that is healthier for the earth and people.

Any revolution in America in the old way, through violence, would look like a totalitarian militarized full spectrum domination, versus a mob of feral dogs ripping at each other's throats, with huddled masses mostly supporting the jackbboted State in the name of keeping order, with a continued centralizing of power in multinational corporations and banks.

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Re: The Paradox Inherent in Any Slave Nation Revolution
« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2015, 04:50:05 PM »
In Delacroix's painting, the figures surrounding Liberty represent the bourgeoisie, students, industrial workers and peasants.  They trust each other enough to go into battle with them.  In the far distance, the tricolor flies from the Notre Dame, representing the non-violent support of the Church. The defeated soldiers are depicted as unprepared for battle - one was in bed and is thin from hunger, and the other's trousers are undone and he is missing one shoe.  "Liberty, Equality, Fraternity", as represented by the tricolor, and a burning anger at the aristocracy is the only unifying political statement depicted.

No revolution is going to succeed unless these factors are in place. 

A moment's pause for thought will convince you (IMHO) that the time is not yet right for revolution.  But in this highly interconnected world, things can change very quickly.  Those that are now getting by OK and pacified can find themselves unemployed, dispossessed of their homes and starving fairly quickly.  The soldiers, national guard, riot squads and police are all getting paid and can be relied upon to obey orders, but if the government dollars stop flowing, it would be a different story.

So suppose there was a revolution in the streets, and the mob were to do what they did in Kiev - burn a few government buildings and occupy the rest, including the White House and Congress, then what?  There could be endless meetings where everyone's opinions are respected, in true Occupy style, and nothing gets decided.  Or there could be a mass slaughter of politicians, bankers, military leaders, industrial elites, media barons and judges.  Or the revolutionaries might be under pressure to get things back the way it was before as soon as possible.

Ron Paul will be telling them that Capitalism is OK, and all its needs is less government intervention, less social security (even more inequality), less foreign wars (conveniently forgetting that it is those foreign wars that have secured the Empire's ability to dominate the world's resources).  He is a multimillionaire after all.

Who else has a political philosophy which is a known brand?  Karl Marx, yes, but he has had a really bad press for the last century.

And who has an answer for Peak Fossils that can't be shown to be thermodynamically impossible in a few minutes?  No one.

So after the revolution there will be more chaos.  The mob can chant "More Jobs!  Cheaper Food!  Cheaper Fuel!" all they like, and upcoming politicians can promise they can achieve it, but they will all fail.

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Re: The Paradox Inherent in Any Slave Nation Revolution
« Reply #4 on: February 14, 2015, 05:25:17 PM »
And who has an answer for Peak Fossils that can't be shown to be thermodynamically impossible in a few minutes?
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« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2015, 06:55:21 PM »
The difference between this period and all prior revolutionary periods is that all of them were occuring in a time of overall Growth and accessing of greater amounts of per capita energy.

Because of this, we cannot avoid a large contraction of population size, far greater than that of all the prior revolutions.  People will die, en masse, in fact they are already doing so from Syria to Afghanistan, from Ukraine to Greece and numerous other hot spots of collapse as well.  This is simply unavoidable, it's a consequence of Overshoot.

So it's not a question of stopping it, because it can't be stopped.  It's a question of who gets the Privilege of Dieing here?  Most of the time, its the Poor folks who get this privilege.  If you don't do something to prevent that, the Poor folks will be again so privileged.

So, here is my Game Theory Problem for you, given that SOMEBODY has to die, who gets the Privilege this time, Rich folks or Poor ones?

If you want to DENY that many people will die and the problems can be solved with Hydroponics and Permaculture, then you have to show how that can be accomplished with the current folks in power who run the show, or how you can get them OUT of power without breaking a few eggs.


You CAN'T Make an Omelet without Breaking a Few Eggs.

Joel Osteen will tell you that we all can be Favored and Rich, and all fly around in our own Private Jets, and this is OK and Righteous, you get the Good Christian Seal of Approval from Jesus as long as you Think right.  This has not proven to be accurate.

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« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2015, 07:59:48 PM »
If you want to DENY that many people will die and the problems can be solved with Hydroponics and Permaculture, then you have to show how that can be accomplished with the current folks in power who run the show, or how you can get them OUT of power without breaking a few eggs.
I wouldn't exactly deny that many people will die, but I would affirm that the problems could be solved with renewable energy and permaculture.  But, you are precisely right, that would require the folks in power to either voluntarily give up some power, or, have it taken from them.  The first is unlikely, and the second would likely require violence and massive casualties.  About the only way to take away the elite's power without violence is by refusing to participate in their system, which is tantamount to taking a vow of voluntary poverty -- an option unlikely to be taken by enough people to make a difference.
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« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2015, 08:10:11 PM »

So it's not a question of stopping it, because it can't be stopped.  It's a question of who gets the Privilege of Dieing here?  Most of the time, its the Poor folks who get this privilege.  If you don't do something to prevent that, the Poor folks will be again so privileged.

So, here is my Game Theory Problem for you, given that SOMEBODY has to die, who gets the Privilege this time, Rich folks or Poor ones?

If you want to DENY that many people will die and the problems can be solved with Hydroponics and Permaculture, then you have to show how that can be accomplished with the current folks in power who run the show, or how you can get them OUT of power without breaking a few eggs.


I don't see it this way. Rather I see dying happening by country. There will be a lot of violent revolutions in other countries, while in the US the military will take over mostly at the request of the masses in order to (a) provide for distributing rice and beans and heating oil to all (well, almost all), and (b) keep the refugees out.

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« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2015, 09:07:09 PM »
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...in the US the military will take over mostly at the request of the masses in order to (a) provide for distributing rice and beans and heating oil to all (well, almost all), and (b) keep the refugees out.

Person: "Please feed me and keep me warm."
Soldier: "Sure, just surrender any weapons over there, and then follow the signs to Compound 137.  Next! "

In 1992, my sister was in Sequim WA, desperately passing dud cheques to try and get the paperwork to cross the border into Canada for the medical treatment denied her by the richest country in the world on account of her poverty.  Then she killed herself.  She remained unidentified for 6 months.
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« Reply #9 on: February 14, 2015, 09:11:16 PM »

So it's not a question of stopping it, because it can't be stopped.  It's a question of who gets the Privilege of Dieing here?  Most of the time, its the Poor folks who get this privilege.  If you don't do something to prevent that, the Poor folks will be again so privileged.

So, here is my Game Theory Problem for you, given that SOMEBODY has to die, who gets the Privilege this time, Rich folks or Poor ones?

If you want to DENY that many people will die and the problems can be solved with Hydroponics and Permaculture, then you have to show how that can be accomplished with the current folks in power who run the show, or how you can get them OUT of power without breaking a few eggs.


I don't see it this way. Rather I see dying happening by country. There will be a lot of violent revolutions in other countries, while in the US the military will take over mostly at the request of the masses in order to (a) provide for distributing rice and beans and heating oil to all (well, almost all), and (b) keep the refugees out.

Amerikan Exceptionalism.  ::)

Yah, for a while here the FSoA Military and the Police State will maintain the Iron Grip of control over the population, but this lasts for only so long as they can PAY for it!  LOL.

I trust you have NOTICED that the Military Dictatorship of Hoser Mubarak in Egypt went down the toilet, no?  As we speak, the Neo-Nazis installed by the FSoA State Department in Ukraine are not doing all to good either on the military front.  Frankly, from the best reports you can tease out here from all the propaganda from both sides, the Ukies are getting their ASSES KICKED here by the Separatists.

The Vast Police State of the FSoA Empire lasts for only so long as the DOLLAR lasts, and trust me, when the rest of the subsidiary currencies collapse, the Dollar follows.  So probably we are last to drop into the failed state category, but come it will in due time.

When it does arrive, the FSoA is no different than Greece, Somalia, Ukraine or Egypt.  Well, one difference.  When the Dollar Collapses, there IS no "center" or definable wealth.  Even the wealth of Gold cannot be defined in this situation.  It will be chaotic, to say the least.

The ONLY question is one of timelines, not of outcomes here.  In the end though, we are ALL GREECE.

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« Reply #10 on: February 14, 2015, 10:34:37 PM »

Amerikan Exceptionalism.  ::)

No, Amerikan selfishness. I'm not saying this is a good or just thing, only that the US is one of the few places that can get by on its own as the rest of the world goes to hell. Russia and New Zealand are also likely. Australia, too, if they can keep from getting overwhelmed with boat people. And possibly a fair chunk of northern Europe, assuming they ditch NATO and embrace the Russian bear.

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Yah, for a while here the FSoA Military and the Police State will maintain the Iron Grip of control over the population, but this lasts for only so long as they can PAY for it!  LOL.

What do they have to pay for? The US has enough oil (after we occupy Canada, and assuming private cars are banished or at least severely rationed), and enough food.

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I trust you have NOTICED that the Military Dictatorship of Hoser Mubarak in Egypt went down the toilet, no?

Egypt can't feed its people, so there it will be a war of all against all, as in the rest of MENA.

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As we speak, the Neo-Nazis installed by the FSoA State Department in Ukraine are not doing all to good either on the military front.  Frankly, from the best reports you can tease out here from all the propaganda from both sides, the Ukies are getting their ASSES KICKED here by the Separatists.

Right. Ukraine will revert to being a food source for Russia.

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The Vast Police State of the FSoA Empire lasts for only so long as the DOLLAR lasts, and trust me, when the rest of the subsidiary currencies collapse, the Dollar follows.  So probably we are last to drop into the failed state category, but come it will in due time.

This is after the dollar collapses. After we spend a week or two with empty shelves and riots. Then we will welcome the police state.

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When it does arrive, the FSoA is no different than Greece, Somalia, Ukraine or Egypt.  Well, one difference.  When the Dollar Collapses, there IS no "center" or definable wealth.  Even the wealth of Gold cannot be defined in this situation.  It will be chaotic, to say the least.

Yes, wealth, in the sense of fiat money, will disappear, but there will still be a Big Ass Military, plus National Guard and local cops to keep chaos at bay.

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« Reply #11 on: February 14, 2015, 10:53:45 PM »
This is after the dollar collapses. After we spend a week or two with empty shelves and riots. Then we will welcome the police state.

There are too many things wrong with this post to dissect them all.  I am trying to get a Valentines Day article up here.

However, I have to make the obvious critique that after a week or two of Empty Shelves, a Police State is a hopeless solution.  The Police won't have any food either.  This is a problem beyond Barfield's Imagination.

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« Reply #12 on: February 15, 2015, 10:38:11 AM »

However, I have to make the obvious critique that after a week or two of Empty Shelves, a Police State is a hopeless solution.  The Police won't have any food either.

There will be plenty of food. The problem is distributing it. When the banks collapse and nobody can get paid, I would expect the gov't to declare a state of emergency, which basically says: everybody involved in the production and distribution of food (and utilities and more), keep doing your jobs and we'll pay you later, and if you don't, expect the BAM/NG/cops to make you.

Obviously, I don't know that things will work out this way. I just think it is more likely than a revolution from below.

 

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