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Re: A Tsunami of Climate Refugees is Drowning Europe
« Reply #30 on: August 15, 2015, 10:00:51 PM »
so I've thought about your caption some more, and I think I get it...why it is funny.   :icon_mrgreen:

On another note; the Chinese send their bamboo doctorates to Japan to get their doctorates.  Japan is the leading nation (and always has been...cept maybe for a 1000 years or so in the early beginning of human civilizations when China was the leader in bamboo knowledge and culture) in empirically scientific bamboo knowledge.  The man known globally as "Dr Bamboo," or Professor Uaeda (I may be spelling his name wrong...it's pronounced you-aid-a) was Keiji Oshima's teacher.  Keiji Oshima is my teacher now.  He recently told me that I'm "3rd or 4th in bamboo knowledge in the United States."  I didn't say anything in reply because frankly I didn't know how that could be true, but I do believe he was telling me the truth as he knows it.  My wife seems to believe it's possible as well. 

So if the Chinese come here and look like Star Wars Evil Empire Soldiers...I'm pretty sure I can throw some names around and appeal to global bamboo authority.  People buy flutes from Keiji world wide for around 2 grand that are made out of madake (phyllostachy bambosuides) that he grew, harvested, and crafted into flutes.  During my intern interview he played one of these flutes at my request. 

I have 12 varieties of bamboo in the ground and one other in a pot here at my bamboo nursery...and counting.  I aim to make a lot of money with bamboo here shortly. 

And this all has to do with the tsunami of refugees drowning Europe because tsunami  has Japanese connotations to it, and Agelbert fueled my fire by posting an image of what looks to be a Chinese Moso grove. 

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Re: A Tsunami of Climate Refugees is Drowning Europe
« Reply #31 on: August 15, 2015, 10:24:35 PM »
so I've thought about your caption some more, and I think I get it...why it is funny.   :icon_mrgreen:

On another note; the Chinese send their bamboo doctorates to Japan to get their doctorates.  Japan is the leading nation (and always has been...cept maybe for a 1000 years or so in the early beginning of human civilizations when China was the leader in bamboo knowledge and culture) in empirically scientific bamboo knowledge.  The man known globally as "Dr Bamboo," or Professor Uaeda (I may be spelling his name wrong...it's pronounced you-aid-a) was Keiji Oshima's teacher.  Keiji Oshima is my teacher now.  He recently told me that I'm "3rd or 4th in bamboo knowledge in the United States."  I didn't say anything in reply because frankly I didn't know how that could be true, but I do believe he was telling me the truth as he knows it.  My wife seems to believe it's possible as well. 

So if the Chinese come here and look like Star Wars Evil Empire Soldiers...I'm pretty sure I can throw some names around and appeal to global bamboo authority.  People buy flutes from Keiji world wide for around 2 grand that are made out of madake (phyllostachy bambosuides) that he grew, harvested, and crafted into flutes.  During my intern interview he played one of these flutes at my request. 

I have 12 varieties of bamboo in the ground and one other in a pot here at my bamboo nursery...and counting.  I aim to make a lot of money with bamboo here shortly. 

And this all has to do with the tsunami of refugees drowning Europe because tsunami  has Japanese connotations to it, and Agelbert fueled my fire by posting an image of what looks to be a Chinese Moso grove.

I smell a major Bamboo Blog coming...

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The Refugees Are Coming!!!
« Reply #32 on: August 16, 2015, 12:44:56 AM »
The Refugee issue is getting big fast.

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http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/08/14/the-refugees-are-coming/

I don’t really know, I don’t understand how it feels: to live in a rich European country, which is rich mainly because it has been directly plundering many poor nations around the world. Or it has been plundering by association, through its membership in some extremist organization like NATO. To live there, refusing to acknowledge why it is rich, how it became rich.

Palaces, theatres, railroads, hospitals and parks in that rich country are built on broken skeletons and restless specters, on lakes of blood and shameless theft.

Then, when one looted country after another begins to sink, when there is nothing left there, when children begin dying from hunger and when men commence fighting each other over tiny boulders and dirty pieces of turf, pathetic boats, or dinghies, begin crossing the waterways, bringing half starved, half-mad refugees to the European sea-fronts decorated with marble.

What a horrifying sight! As if a woman, her hair waving in disarray, her lips broken, comes begging a man who raped her after killing her husband – begging for shelter and at least some work and piece of bread. She decided to abandon all her pride, because her children are sick and starving, because it is either this, or death.

That is what you reduced the world to, Europe – you, and your huge, insatiable offspring – North America!

Too egocentric, too cruel, you lost the ability to judge, to feel. All moral standards collapsed. There are no higher principles, anymore, only self-interest.

In Calais and Kos, in Paris, London, Stuttgart, and Prague, I heard the same questions posed with absolutely straight faces: “How are we going to absorb all those hordes of immigrants?”

Almost no one in the West is wondering aloud: “How did the people on other continents manage to endure those long centuries of colonialism and neo-colonialism, of shameless plunder, of slavery, of constant locust-like onslaught of corporate and neoliberal cannibalistic hordes? Wouldn’t a set of keys issued to each and every citizen of robbed, formerly or presently colonized country, be the tiniest, the most basic token of justice?”

Is it morally acceptable that a thief, an arsonist, a rapist, a liar, a serial killer, all in one, would be allowed to live in a mansion, surrounded by slums housing his victims?

In the West, in the Christian West, in fundamentalist West, such arrangement is obviously tolerable.

***

Most of the citizens of Europe are completely unrepentant. Only few of them are capable of detecting connection between their continent’s wealth, those hundreds of millions of ruined lives all over the world, and the latest wave of immigrants.

A few months ago, my comrade and fellow philosopher, Milan Kohout, lost his temper, after listening to staunchly racist, anti-immigrant guests at a studio of the Czech Television in Prague. He began shouting, live, at both the moderator, and the bigoted speakers.

Insulting letters commenced raining almost immediately: “Why don’t you stick a few of those ni**ers into your own bedroom, you asshole?” Or more threateningly: “You should be hanged for this, you bastard!”

Several weeks after the television appearance, I received his email:

    Just letting you know I have been getting so many death threats that I am starting to take them seriously. Even the neighbors from the village we have the summerhouse in are threating us. I do not know whether I should take all this serious or not but I guess I have to be careful…

On the Greek island of Kos, which is now hosting several thousands of refugees from the Middle East and Asia, but which has neither camps nor other facilities for them, a brave medical volunteer (I decided not to use her name, as she was already threatened), described the recent developments:

    The situation in Kos is totally out of control. The [right-wing] extremists of Golden Dawn – some of them fully armed – have unleashed pogroms against the refugees. Someone must speak loudly for the Mayor’s responsibilities… who had sabotaged every solidarity effort and possible solution, from the very beginning.

At the other side of Europe, the British Prime Minister is considering to employ the army, lamenting inconveniences being experienced by British holidaymakers. Traffic at the Eurotunnel is slow, often interrupted, as thousands of desperate refugees living in an appalling camp nicknamed “The Jungle” at the outskirts of the French city of Calais, are trying to reach England, some dying in the process.

Great Britain, responsible for the loss of hundreds of millions of human lives worldwide (through its colonial genocides and triggered/orchestrated famines), is now pretending that it is facing a serious “refugee crises”, while there are only some 25.000 asylum applicants on its territory.

As the Morning Star commented:

    According to the Refugee Council up to 74 per cent of all asylum-seekers are refused residency in Britain. While numbers have grown since 2008, applications for asylum in 2014 were below 25,000, with those fleeing from conflicts in Afghanistan, Syrian and Eritrea among the highest number of applicants.

In Germany, Netherlands, Scandinavia, Greece, in fact all over the Europe, right wing, xenophobic groups and movements are busy attacking and intimidating defenseless refugees.

Immigrants are portrayed as some menace, or pest, not as a group of desperate human beings – victims of the Empire.

It is mainly because of the collapse of integrity inside the Western political elites, mass media, as well as in academia and art world.

Now, most of those who are speaking in favor of accepting immigrants are doing so self-righteously, “out of charity”, not because they recognize that accepting victims of their continent’s cruelty is their moral obligation; not because they are convinced that breaking the gates of “fortress Europe” would be at least a tiny payment from the monstrous debt towards the world that had been ravished and plundered for numerous centuries.

***

It is not only what you see in Europe – that tip of the iceberg, that tiny fraction of misery that managed to land on Italian, Greek and Maltese shores.

The world is on the move. Tens of millions are displaced.

The overwhelming majority of the refugees are forced to leave their homelands because of political and economic imperialism of the West.

Syrians, Libyans, Iraqis and Afghanis were bombed to the stone-ages, just because they tried to feed, house and educate their people. In the eyes of the Empire, this was the greatest crime, as all resources are supposed to be used for alimenting Western corporations, banks and military complexes.

Eritreans were debilitated by sanctions and embargoes, right after their long war for independence. 10 million of Congolese people died since 1995, butchered by West’s allies – Rwanda and Uganda – so that Washington, London and Paris could enjoy a free flow of uranium and coltan. Many Congolese people are now trying to flee unimaginable horrors at home. Many Somalis are trying to escape, after Washington destabilized their country, after Kenya invaded its southern part on direct orders from the West, after the EU has been dumping toxic waste at its shores.

Even the plight of Rohingya people in Burma could be traced to the monstrous “divide and rule” of the British Empire in Asia.

For decades and centuries, the West kept overthrowing progressive governments, one after another. It has been murdering great political leaders like Patrice Lumumba, liquidating all attempts to build decent, socialist societies.

Then it would say: “Those ni**ers cannot govern their own countries… All their people want is to come to us, stealing our jobs, straining our social systems.”

It goes without saying that, if left alone, those countries that are now bleeding millions of their own people, “exporting refugees”, would be, most likely, as rich or even richer than the West. It applies to Iran and Iraq, Syria and Libya, perhaps even Congo and Indonesia.

The ongoing “refugee crises” is not a “problem that Europe has to deal with”. Europe is creating the crises. Europe is not “dealing” with anything. It is, as always, cheating, lying and calculating pennies, after stealing billions. Those who don’t see it are either blind or conditioned, alternatively well paid not to see.

If the mother earth gets hit, powerfully, with tremendous destructive force, pieces of it will fly, in all directions. The same applies to countries, to nations. If left in peace, states will find the way to take care of their people.

The present situation is actually just a tiny reflection, an overflow of horrors that the colonized and plundered world has to endure. It is just a tiny bit of that nightmare which is taking place inside Africa, the Middle East and several parts of Asia; a tiny bit thrown back to the face of the Europeans; being brought to and left at their doorsteps.

***

How come that “they” don’t see it? How come that almost all Western mass media are silent? How come most of present-day philosophers are not addressing, not combining the subjects of neocolonialism and immigration?

What I am saying in this essay is philosophically clear. It would be hard to dispute it. French philosopher Jean-Paul Sartre came to several similar conclusions in his “Colonialism and Neocolonialism”, few decades ago. But that was “then”. Now, to combine the plunder of the Planet committed by the West, and the plight of the refugees, appears to be taboo.

But I don’t believe in taboos, as I don’t believe in a knowledge that is strictly “theoretical”.

In the past few years I documented human misery in countless battlefields, and in the refugee camps that are housing exiles from the Democratic Republic of Congo, Somalia, Afghanistan, Syria, Iraq, Bangladesh, Libya and many other broken places.

I often see, first hand, how grotesque, unsustainable, repulsive the situation is: while tiny Lebanon is now a host of over 2 million Syrian refugees, one of the main global bullies, the UK, has lesser than 25.000 registered asylum applicants on its turf!

Even the intellectuals of aggressive NATO country, Turkey, write openly and honestly in the newspapers: “We wanted to act like some smaller regional United States, therefore we should pay for those 1.8 million refugees who were forced to cross the border and settle in our camps.” Turkey is paying. As aggressive as it is, it has at least some dignity left, compared to the West.

There is simply something appalling, hypocritical, twisted, profoundly un-humanistic, in the way Europe addresses the plight of its victims.

Of course “it” is not something new. “It” has deep roots in both Christian dogmas and Christian cultural fundamentalism – the elements that are unyieldingly controlling the minds of the majority of European people. Such fundamentalism has been helping to accept and promote, even glorify, colonialism and neocolonialism, as well as the “exceptionalism”.

Fundamentalism and exceptionalism put their religions (even in the countries that became ‘secular’ on the surface), cultures, races and ways of life on the pedestal. They see “those others” as irrelevant. The suffering of “the others” is trivial, insignificant. Or it simply “does not exist”.

Orwell defined un-Christian, un-white and un-Western people simply as “un-people”, in the eyes of the West.

In Europe, wherever you go, you can read between the lines:

    If millions of “them” starve to death, then be it – as long as Germany and France could maintain clean sidewalks and hospitals, and as long as the schools don’t have too many undesirable, foreign elements and influences.

    Destruction of the world, killing and starving of millions, is sad but a necessary price to be paid for the high standard of living of the chosen, white, good Christian people in Europe and North America. Let the slaughter be contained to far away places! Let it not appear on the television screens. Let us not see the victims.

    And let those dirty and uncivilized beings stay where they are. We don’t want to face them at our resort towns and in our capital cities. We don’t want to see their sores, their wounds, and their puss.

    Let everything remain out of focus, as blurry as possible, and at extremely low volume.

    As I was told in California, during a conference: “Do not show us graphic images of Africans suffering… Here, people are very sensitive!”

    Neocolonialism? Modern slavery? We don’t like these terms. They belong to the Cold War era. They died with the Soviet Union, didn’t they?

***

As long as the Empire reigns, as long as the West rules over the planet, the refugees will be crossing dangerous waterways on board their fragile dinghies.

Some will die; others will make it.

Those who will make it will be put on trial. What they did is defined as “illegal”. They will have to prove that they are persecuted in their home country, that their lives have been threatened.

A tricky game… A very filthy game… Like in those days of Inquisition, men, women and children facing Western Christian “justice” would have to lie, in order to survive.

They would not be able to say: “I had to escape because your country killed my family”. Or: “Your continent robbed me of my livelihood”.

Fear of persecution… A “genuine” refugee would have to invent his or her imaginary story, his or her torturer: one that is approved by the Empire.

Then, and only then, a refugee would have at least a tiny chance to receive his or her asylum, a shelter and a piece of bread – a tiny bit of what was already stolen from his or her native land.

The Jungle camp in Calais, France

The Jungle camp in Calais, France.

Calais - anti refugee walls

Calais – anti refugee walls.

Congolese refugees in Goma

Congolese refugees in Goma.

fainted refugee in Kos (courtesy photo from Kos)

Fainted refugee in Kos (courtesy photo from Kos).

refugees in Kos Greece (photos courtesy from Kos)

Refugees in Kos Greece (photos courtesy from Kos).

Shia IDP on Madura Island, Indonesia

Shia IDP on Madura Island, Indonesia.

Somali refugee in Dadaab camp

Somali refugee in Dadaab camp.

Andre Vltchek is a philosopher, novelist, filmmaker and investigative journalist. He covered wars and conflicts in dozens of countries. His latest books are: “Exposing Lies Of The Empire” and “Fighting Against Western Imperialism”.Discussion with Noam Chomsky: On Western Terrorism. Point of No Return is his critically acclaimed political novel. Oceania – a book on Western imperialism in the South Pacific. His provocative book about Indonesia: “Indonesia – The Archipelago of Fear”. Andre is making films for teleSUR and Press TV. After living for many years in Latin America and Oceania, Vltchek presently resides and works in East Asia and the Middle East. He can be reached through his website or his Twitter.
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Re: A Tsunami of Climate Refugees is Drowning Europe
« Reply #33 on: August 16, 2015, 05:31:14 AM »


I smell a major Bamboo Blog coming...

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Well you may be correct.  However, I've been researching for a blog on fox lore lately.  Not sure when I'll get around to writing it. 

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Re: The Official Refugee Thread
« Reply #34 on: August 17, 2015, 10:18:51 PM »
Frankly, Andre, fuck charity!  These people are voting with their feet, and they're coming to America.

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And America is made up of people who dared to dream of a better life over the horizon -- even the "Natives", who were just the first immigrants, by hundreds of generations.  We need to keep out the predators, of course, but for the ones who buy in to the Dream and are willing to work hard for it, I welcome the newcomers.

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Refugees: They're Comin' to Amerika (and Europe, and China...)
« Reply #35 on: August 18, 2015, 12:18:38 AM »
Frankly, Andre, fuck charity!  These people are voting with their feet, and they're coming to America.

I believe you were trying to embed Neil Diamond's "America", but that video has been removed.

However, I found this one with a great Slideshow presentation:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/9ttDUGM-1mU" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/9ttDUGM-1mU</a>

Now, this gives you warm and fuzzy feelings about the History of Amerika as written in the history books,  and those images of the Statue of Liberty always bring up the Patriotic feelings and belief in the Land of Liberty.

A few things to note here though.  What do you notice about all those pictures of Immigrants?  They're all WHITE people from Europe!

Then look at those wonderful pictures of Greenery, Farms, Open Spaces etc.

Is that what CA is going to look like in 10 years?  Iowa in 20?

This is nostalgia for the PAST.  Those wide open spaces and boundless opportunity are GONE now.

Let's dissect Neil's lyrics:

"America"

Far,
We've been traveling far
Without a home
But not without a star

Free,
Only want to be free

We huddle close
Hang on to a dream

On the boats and on the planes
They're coming to America
Never looking back again,
They're coming to America

Home
Don't it seem so far away
Oh, we're traveling light today
In the eye of the storm
In the eye of the storm

Home
To a new and a shiny place
Make our bed and we'll say our grace
Freedom's light burning warm
Freedom's light burning warm


Everywhere around the world
They're coming to America
Ev'ry time that flag's unfurled
They're coming to America

Got a dream to take them there
They're coming to America
Got a dream they've come to share
They're coming to America

They're coming to America
They're coming to America
They're coming to America
They're coming to America
Today, Today,
Today, Today, Today

My country 'tis of thee (today)
Sweet land of liberty (today)
Of thee I sing (today)

Of thee I sing
Today, Today, Today
Today, today, today......

Writer(s): Neil Diamond
Copyright: Stonebridge Music

Now, how realistic is this idea of "Freedom" and Liberty in the Amerika of TODAY, not your nostalgic history lessons?  Patriot Act, NDAA, TPP, Militarized Police, spying by the NSA and data mining from Google, precisely where is the FREEDOM here?  Granted it is still probably better than wherever they are coming from, but they'll be pretty disappointed in a few years, at most.

The main issue though remains the resource problem.  Half of the land mass of the FSoA west of the Mississippi River will once again be the Great Amerikan Desert soon enough.  We will have our own internal refugee problem that cannot be solved, except by Dead People.  Taking in more now just makes the problem worse here later.

The days of escaping as a refugee to freedom in less populated lands where there was still Opportunity are OVAH.  Refugees are unlikely to be welcome anywhere pretty soon.  Certainly in Europe they are not going to constantly accept Wave After Wave of boat people coming from North Africa and walking across Syria and Turkey into Greece.

For probably 2/3rds of the Global population, there is already no hope.  They cannot escape.

They will stay where they lay.

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The Refugee Tsunami
« Reply #36 on: August 20, 2015, 02:04:18 AM »


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Published on the Doomstead Diner on August 20, 2015






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Migrants, who were found at sea on a boat, collect water during a heavy rain at a temporary refuge camp near Kanyin Chaung jetty, Myanmar, on June 4, 2015.



The Refugee problem is one of several Collapse Topics to be covered in a Live Broadcast this Sunday at High Noon Alaska Time on the Collapse Cafe You Tube Channel



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A growing problem all across the Globe is that of Refugees.  Millions of people trying to flee from one place and seek refuge in another.  The reasons appear to vary, in some cases because of ongoing conflict and war; in others due to Drought and the inability to provide enough food for the local population; other cases due to religious and ethnic differences between classes in the local society, etc.



Of course, all of these phenomena have two things in common, which are Population Overshoot and Resource Depletion.  All the conflicts stem from that, all the rest is just distraction.  If there really was plenty for everybody, if some people weren't being exploited for the benefit of others and there was an equitable distribution of the wealth, then you would have no conflict.  Everybody would be HAPPY! :)



http://s3.amazonaws.com/rapgenius/desert1101_428x269_to_468x312.jpgThe great surplus of energy we enjoyed globally here for the last couple of centuries allowed populations to balloon up all over the world, many of those populations in locations which have no chance of being self-sufficient at their current population size.  Saudi Arabia a prime example of this, they traded their oil for food and used it to pump up water from deep aquifers and desalinate still more water from the ocean, and blew up from 1M people to 30M people in a century.  In reality of course, Arabia is a DESERT!  The House of Saud Princes are descendents of a bunch of Bedouin Tribesmen who wandered that desert. Then with their Oil Wealth they imported in tons of people to do the scut work of the industrial society.   No way all these folks can continue to survive in Deserts of Arabia, so they will go on the MOVE.  At least if they don"t die first anyhow.



Although we have seen this for quite some time here in Amerika down on the Border with Mejico, constant bewailing of the problemof "Illegal Aliens" (as though they come from Outer Space without papers), the current really BIG problems are occuring in Southern Europe as refugees from the War Zones and progressively more desertified areas attempt to flee across the Mediterranean Sea by any thing that sort of floats, and on foot across Turkey and into Greece, all trying to get to the closest place where they think they still might carve out a life for themselves.



Boat-RefugeesSadly of course, Ground Zero for a lot of this migration is Italy where they are only doing marginally better than the folks down in MENA are doing.  At least 1000 a day currently actually arriving alive, plus they find a few bodies washing up on the beaches  in the Tourist hangouts on a daily basis as well.



Recently Jason Heppenstall from 22 Billion Energy Slaves was vacationing down in Italy and wrote this about the situation:



"[As an aside, a friend of mine got married in Sicily a couple of months ago and the wedding reception was continually interrupted by overhead helicopters coming back from sea with migrants dangling from them. Some children asked “What is going on?” and the adults comforted them by saying it was just some swimmers who had got into difficulty. When this carried on for two full days (Sicilian weddings being long affairs) the children must have concluded that practically everyone swimming needed rescuing.]"



For those that do make the crossing alive, they aren't exactly being welcome with open arms by the Italians




Italian protesters torch beds to try block migrant arrivals



http://www.barenakedislam.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/zx620y348_1075644.jpgRome (AFP) – Residents in a chic Rome suburb and a northern Italian village staged angry anti-immigrant protests on Friday, with villagers setting mattresses ablaze in a bid to stop authorities from housing migrants.



Authorities in the village of Quito plan to accommodate 101 immigrants in empty apartments, but several residents broke into one of the buildings, removed camp beds, mattresses and televisions intended for the newcomers and set them on fire outside.



The protesters then put up tents, with the Corriere della Sera newspaper quoting them as saying: "We aren't going home until they leave — this is an invasion."



Italy is currently hosting more than 80,000 migrants who have crossed the Mediterranean fleeing war, persecution or poverty in the Middle East and Africa. The arrivals include many Africans, particularly Eritreans, as well as Syrians.




Not very welcoming over there, obviously. Not a lot different here though, as currently leading Repub POTUS candidate The Donald not only doesn't want to let any new refugees IN, he wants to kick the ones already here OUT.




Donald Trump says illegal immigrants 'have to go' during NBC interview



Donald Trump has fired another loud shot in the battle for the Republican presidential nomination in 2016, telling NBC News’ Meet the Press illegal immigrants to the US “have to go”.






Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump said: ‘They have to go. Chuck, we either have a country, or we don’t have a country.’ Photograph: Jim Young/Reuters



The real-estate mogul and sometime reality TV star, who leads polls of the Republican field after a series of controversies stoked by abrasive remarks, made the comment during an interview with host Chuck Todd which was conducted on his private plane as it sat on a runway in Des Moines, Iowa.



The conversation covered the candidate’s determination to rescind President Barack Obama’s executive orders on immigration which, subject to court battles, would protect up to 5 million undocumented children and family members from deportation.




Now, I cannot agree with The Donald that we even could kick all the undocumented migrants out, even if he could get such legislation passed.  It's completely impractical, how would you do such a purge?  Go on a house to house search with the Gestapo asking "Let me see your papers"?






http://northamericanimmigration.org/uploads/posts/2011-02/1298837157_statue-of-liberty.jpgHowever, the idea that in an era of steady resource depletion and population overshoot all refugees can be welcome with open arms and the Torch of the Statue of Liberty serving as a Beacon of Freedom is an equally unrealistic idea.  Both here, in Europe and in Asia as well borders are going to be shut down and migration is going to become increasingly more difficult as time goes by.  If you are figuring on trying to migrate BEFORE things get that bad in your neighborhood, now would be a good time to get moving.



As with many article on the Diner, this one was inspired by a post made by one of the KollapsniksTM on the Diner Forum.  I will close with my response to that post.





Frankly, Andre, fuck charity!  These people are voting with their feet, and they're coming to America.





I believe you were trying to embed Neil Diamond's "America", but that video version has been removed.



However, I found this one heading this article with a great Slideshow presentation, worth watching. (above heading this article)

 





Now, this gives you warm and fuzzy feelings about the History of Amerika as written in the history books,  and those images of the Statue of Liberty always bring up the Patriotic feelings and belief in the Land of Liberty.



A few things to note here though.  What do you notice about all those pictures of Immigrants?  They're all WHITE people from Europe!



Then look at those wonderful pictures of Greenery, Farms, Open Spaces etc.



Is that what CA is going to look like in 10 years?  Iowa in 20?



This is nostalgia for the PAST.  Those wide open spaces and boundless opportunity are GONE now.



Let's dissect Neil's lyrics:

 



"America"



 



 



 



 



 



Far,

We've been traveling far

Without a home

But not without a star



Free,

Only want to be free


We huddle close

Hang on to a dream



On the boats and on the planes

They're coming to America

Never looking back again,

They're coming to America



Home

Don't it seem so far away

Oh, we're traveling light today

In the eye of the storm

In the eye of the storm



Home

To a new and a shiny place

Make our bed and we'll say our grace

Freedom's light burning warm

Freedom's light burning warm



Everywhere around the world

They're coming to America

Ev'ry time that flag's unfurled

They're coming to America



Got a dream to take them there

They're coming to America

Got a dream they've come to share

They're coming to America



They're coming to America

They're coming to America

They're coming to America

They're coming to America

Today, Today,

Today, Today, Today



My country 'tis of thee (today)

Sweet land of liberty (today)

Of thee I sing (today)


Of thee I sing

Today, Today, Today

Today, today, today……



Writer(s): Neil Diamond

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Now, how realistic is this idea of "Freedom" and Liberty in the Amerika of TODAY, not your nostalgic history lessons?  Patriot Act, NDAA, TPP, Militarized Police, spying by the NSA and data mining from Google, precisely where is the FREEDOM here?  Granted it is still probably better than wherever they are coming from, but they'll be pretty disappointed in a few years, at most.



The main issue though remains the resource problem.  Half of the land mass of the FSoA west of the Mississippi River will once again be the Great Amerikan Desert soon enough.  We will have our own internal refugee problem that cannot be solved, except by Dead People.  Taking in more now just makes the problem worse here later.



The days of escaping as a refugee to freedom in less populated lands where there was still Opportunity are OVAH.  Refugees are unlikely to be welcome anywhere pretty soon.  Certainly in Europe they are not going to constantly accept Wave After Wave of boat people coming from North Africa and walking across Syria and Turkey into Greece.



For probably 2/3rds of the Global population, there is already no hope.  They cannot escape.



In the words of Hawkeye from "Last of the Mohicans"



“they’re not strangers… and they stay as they lay…”



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Re: The Refugee Tsunami
« Reply #37 on: August 20, 2015, 03:12:27 AM »
"It is difficult to write a paradiso when all the superficial indications are that you ought to write an apocalypse." -Ezra Pound

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Re: The Refugee Tsunami
« Reply #38 on: August 20, 2015, 04:16:34 AM »

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Re: The Official Refugee Thread
« Reply #39 on: August 20, 2015, 04:56:54 AM »
For aeons humans have fled tyranny. However there is no place left to flee to.
One other aspect is the feedback loop scenario ....
The wealthy nations have plundered the poorer nations & now the locals
from those poorer nations want to get the f%#$ outta dodge so their choice
would be the wealthier nations & those locals are willing to put their lives on
the line to do so. Look at the poor folks (Palestinian's) trapped by walls & they're
forced to exist in shithole conditions. Strapping a bomb to yourself is a way out or step
up in their minds eye.

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I know exactly what you mean. Let me tell you why you’re here. You’re here because you know something. What you know you can’t explain, but you feel it. You’ve felt it your entire life, that there’s something wrong with the world.
You don’t know what it is but its there, like a splinter in your mind

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Re: The Official Refugee Thread
« Reply #40 on: August 20, 2015, 05:02:24 AM »
Strapping a bomb to yourself is a way out or step up in their minds eye.

The NOTHING LEFT TO LOSE option out.

Likely to become more common here as well.

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Re: The Official Refugee Thread
« Reply #41 on: August 20, 2015, 02:52:27 PM »
http://www.rt.com/news/312935-macedonia-emergency-migrants-crisis/
Macedonia declares state of emergency over surge in migrants & refugees, ready to deploy army
20 Aug, 2015

Macedonia has declared a state of emergency on its southern and northern borders over a surge in migrants and refugees, the Interior Ministry announced. The country said it would involve the army in confronting the crisis.

"We expect the involvement of the army will bring two desired effects – it will increase security among our citizens in the two regions and will allow for a more comprehensive approach toward people expressing their interest in applying for asylum," Interior Ministry spokesman Ivo Kotevski said.

He told Reuters that the “official border crossings are not shut,” but that authorities may have moved to seal off illegal routes used by the migrants and refugees.

Thousands of migrants were stranded on Thursday in a 'no-man's land' between Macedonia and Greece, near the Macedonian town of Gevgelija. From there, they planned to catch trains that would take them to the Serbian border, and onto Hungary, where they would benefit from Europe's borderless Schengen zone.

Riot police were sent to the town to try to restore order amid the chaos, and Reuters has reported that the flow of migrants in the town now appears to have suddenly stopped.

Macedonia has become a major transit route for migrants heading from Greece to more prosperous EU countries.

On Wednesday, Macedonia warned that it is running out of trains to transport the thousands of Syrian refugees heading toward the European Union, and called on its neighbors to help combat the “alarming situation.”

"The Macedonian Railway Company has no more capacity to carry all those who want to travel toward western European countries," the head of the state railway, Nikola Kostov, told Telma TV channel, urging neighboring countries and others to provide more train carriages.

The problem may worsen with the potential arrival of thousands who are being evacuated by boat from the Greek island of Kos to the mainland, after 21,000 people landed on Greek shores last week alone.

"Depending on how Greece uses ships to decongest the islands that will also temporarily increase the arrivals here," said Alexandra Krause, senior protection officer at the United Nations Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) in the Macedonian capital Skopje.

Almost 39,000 migrants, most of whom hail from Syria, have been registered passing through Macedonia over the past month. This figure is more than double that from the previous month.
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Re: The Official Refugee Thread
« Reply #42 on: August 20, 2015, 03:23:02 PM »
For aeons humans have fled tyranny. However there is no place left to flee to.

Demonstrably not true. Otherwise the north Africans wouldn't be fleeing to Europe, and immigration and illegal immigration wouldn't be an issue during the Presidential primaries here in America…generated because of folks fleeing Mexico because some places are still worth fleeing to.
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Re: A Tsunami of Climate Refugees is Drowning Europe
« Reply #43 on: August 21, 2015, 02:40:25 AM »
The Brit Problem.

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Czech Government Says Ready to Use Army to Protect Border From Refugees
« Reply #44 on: August 21, 2015, 09:04:43 PM »
Good luck to the Czechs trying to stop a Human Wave.

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