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« on: June 18, 2015, 03:46:51 AM »
White Shooter. Black Church.  State Senator Dead.  8 more as well.  Shooter still at large.

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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-06-18/9-confirmed-dead-after-white-gunman-opens-fire-black-congregation-charleston-church-

9 Confirmed Dead After White Gunman Opens Fire On Black Congregation In Charleston Church, Shooter At Large

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9 people are confirmed dead, including State Senator Clementa Pinckney...

, after a white gunman opened fire inside one of Charleston’s oldest and most well known black churches tonight.

 

Mayor Joe Riley exclaimed, "this is an unspeakable and heartbreaking tragedy in this most historic church, an evil and hateful person took the lives of citizens who had come to worship and pray together.”

As The Post and Courier reports, a bomb threat complicated the investigation and prompted police to ask nearby residents to evacuate. The shooter is still at large...

Police and emergency vehicles swarmed several blocks surrounding Henrietta and Calhoun streets, just east of Marion Square. Barricades blocked off several streets to traffic, and police asked nearby residents to leave their homes.

 

The shooting occurred around 9 p.m. inside Emanuel AME Church at 110 Calhoun St. Police were seen exiting the 19th century church, and their presence extended blocks beyond the site.

 

Police were still looking for the gunman late Wednesday, and helicopters are hovering above. Police spokesman Charles Francis described the suspect as a 21-year-old white male in a gray sweatshirt/hoodie and jeans with Timberland boots. He has a slender build.

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As The NY Times reports,

Around 10:45 p.m., police officers at the scene drew their weapons and later escorted a man in handcuffs, who appeared to match that description.

 

But officials said later that they were still searching for the gunman.

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In a latest update, AP reports,

Charleston police say nine people have been killed in a shooting at a historic black church in what authorities intend to investigate as a hate crime.

 

Police Chief Greg Mullen says eight people were found dead Wednesday at Emanuel AME Church and another person died later at the hospital.

 

Mullen says a prayer meeting was going on at the church at the time of the shooting.

 

The shooter, described as a white male, was not yet in custody.


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This is likely to perk up action this week.

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Police Identify Suspected Gunman In Church Massacre; Manhunt Underway - Live Feed

Submitted by Tyler Durden on 06/18/2015 10:46 -0400

    FBI Reuters South Carolina

The FBI has identified the suspect in the shooting that killed 9 at a historic black church in Charleston, South Carolina on Wednesday evening.

Earlier, police released the following security camera footage showing the suspect entering the church around 8 pm on Wednesday:



The man has been identified as 21-year old Dylann Roof, of Lexington.



Manhunt, live feed:

More, from IBTimes:

    Roof was arrested on unspecified drug charges in Lexington County, South Carolina last March, local television outlet WIS reported. A Facebook page purportedly belonging to Roof identified him as a Columbia, South Carolina resident who attended White Knoll High School in Lexington, South Carolina.

     

    Roof's uncle, 56-year-old Carson Cowles, said he recognized his nephew in the surveillance footage authorities released Thursday. "The more I look at him, the more I'm convinced, that's him," Cowles told Reuters.

     

    Cowles said Roof was "quiet" and "soft-spoken," Reuters notes. Roof's father, whose name has not been released, purportedly gave him a .45-caliber pistol for his 21st birthday, though it's unclear if that was the weapon used in the shooting.

     

    Six women and three men were killed Wednesday night when the shooting suspect opened fire at the church. The victim's names have not been released. The suspect may have disguised his appearance with a fake nose and wig, an anonymous law enforcement source told the Los Angeles Times.
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Re: Official Race War Thread: Charleston Church Shooter Caught!!
« Reply #2 on: June 18, 2015, 08:57:44 AM »
He did it because they are raping white women.

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Chilling eyewitness testimony from USA Today:

    Sylvia Johnson, a cousin of Pinckney, the pastor, said one of the survivors told her that the gunman reloaded five times during the ordeal

    At point, as he was reloading, members of the group tried to get him to stop, Johnson told WIS News.

    "He just said 'I have to do it. You rape our women and you're taking over our country. And you have to go," Johnson said.

Nobody could jump him while he was reloading?  What?  Something smells fishy here.

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« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2015, 09:31:05 AM »
Just what we need, a white supremacist asshole shooting up a church full of Christians. Some sad shit that won't end here, I'm guessing.

I have to ask myself how this kind of scenario happens, and see how it fits into the general black v.white ongoing narrative. Is it some kid who grew up being taught to lay blame for everything under the sun on black people? Because there are families where that happens.

Or is he just a kid who bought into the neo-nazi skinhead meme that seems to be floating around out there?

A little mental illness thrown in, like a school shooter with a slightly different agenda? Because sane people don't go into churches and shoot people down like that.

I can't help thinking that it sure makes a good excuse to take away guns from law-abiding people. Could it be some kind of Clockwork Orange deliberate provocation? By somebody Machiavellian enough to think the ends justify any means? It seems so far-fetched, but I can't be sure that isn't the case. There will be strident calls for gun control once again. That much I know.

I still can't support that.



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« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2015, 09:41:46 AM »
Just what we need, a white supremacist asshole shooting up a church full of Christians. Some sad shit that won't end here, I'm guessing.

I have to ask myself how this kind of scenario happens, and see how it fits into the general black v.white ongoing narrative. Is it some kid who grew up being taught to lay blame for everything under the sun on black people? Because there are families where that happens.

Or is he just a kid who bought into the neo-nazi skinhead meme that seems to be floating around out there?

A little mental illness thrown in, like a school shooter with a slightly different agenda? Because sane people don't go into churches and shoot people down like that.

I can't help thinking that it sure makes a good excuse to take away guns from law-abiding people. Could it be some kind of Clockwork Orange deliberate provocation? By somebody Machiavellian enough to think the ends justify any means? It seems so far-fetched, but I can't be sure that isn't the case. There will be strident calls for gun control once again. That much I know.

I still can't support that.

I have my own theories on this, but too beat now to write them up.  Need to go for a nap.

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« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2015, 09:44:06 AM »
Memphis church shooting not connected to Charleston church attack



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« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2015, 02:02:07 PM »
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Nobody could jump him while he was reloading?  What?  Something smells fishy here.

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Perhaps, but I certainly can envision them being paralyzed from shock and fear. What an ordeal.

This guy is real bad news; a friggin monster. 

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« Reply #7 on: June 18, 2015, 03:44:44 PM »
This just might be the trigger Chris Hedges has predicted will bring on the fecal matter hitting the rotating oscillator.   
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« Reply #8 on: June 18, 2015, 07:35:04 PM »
The number of murders seen on TV "entertainment" programs is just ridiculous.  Watched one for a bit last night where this beautiful young female agent was just shooting everything that moved - if they were dressed in black, or standing in the shadows, blam!  No cops chasing after her, she might even have been a cop.

Even worse are the video games, where that is ALL that happens.  If it moves, shoot it, with no "rule of law", or pricking of conscience, or anything except +1 point.

9 dead, and one of them was IMPORTANT (the others not so much, they were "just some folks").
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« Reply #9 on: June 19, 2015, 04:09:41 AM »
I don't think any young man who has been to the woods to bring home meat...who has shot a deer, or a squirrel even, and watched it bleed,  and seen the lights go out in its eyes......and then had to skin it, gut it and turn it into food for the table, and then eaten it gratefully, thanking the animals spirit, would ever indiscriminately shoot human beings.

Thing is, with all the gratuitous violence in the fake world of media and games and the like...it creates little monsters for whom the acts they commit are not felt as reality.

A dose of reality, administered early by a grown man with a heart and a conscious...a good father, in other words...would go a long way towards ending this kind of behaviors among the hormonally overloaded 16-25 year old population. jmho.
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« Reply #10 on: June 19, 2015, 07:18:31 AM »
I don't think any young man who has been to the woods to bring home meat...who has shot a deer, or a squirrel even, and watched it bleed,  and seen the lights go out in its eyes......and then had to skin it, gut it and turn it into food for the table, and then eaten it gratefully, thanking the animals spirit, would ever indiscriminately shoot human beings.

Thing is, with all the gratuitous violence in the fake world of media and games and the like...it creates little monsters for whom the acts they commit are not felt as reality.

A dose of reality, administered early by a grown man with a heart and a conscious...a good father, in other words...would go a long way towards ending this kind of behaviors among the hormonally overloaded 16-25 year old population. jmho.

Possibly true.

There is another angle to consider.

I am in my office stealing a look at the DDFB page, etc., and came across this Facebook on my feed from William Rivers Pitt, senior writer for Truthout. It speaks for itself:

Anyone who has spent time here knows my constant refrain is DON'T READ THE COMMENTS SECTION of online articles. They will shit in your heart and suicide your soul.

I offer here a glorious exception to that rule, from the Times comments section on the Charleston massacre. Buckle up.
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I am Irish. For many years in my native land the Rev. Ian Paisley spouted bigoted hatred about Catholics in Northern Ireland, but then claimed innocence when some militant sectarian group massacred Catholics. Speech was not murder, he said. He would never condone killing, he said. Then he went right back to feeding the attitudes that spawned the killing. Few were fooled.

We should not be fooled in America today.

In this country the "mainstream" right-wing has made an industry of demonizing African-Americans as "thugs" and criminals - just look at the divergence in tone between the recent coverage of Ferguson or Baltimore and the (mostly white) biker massacre in Waco, TX. For decades, white America has been told that black Americans are lazy leeches, dependent on hand-outs funded by your hard-earned taxes to bankroll their immoral lifestyles.

The first black president was greeted by the right not only with diehard obstructionism but a chorus of color-coded abuse ("lazy," "food-stamp president" etc) and questions about his very American-ness: he was "not one of us," a foreigner adhering to a foreign religion who has no right to be president.

The siren song of racial hate relentlessly put out by the "mainstream" right finds echo in the gunshots that rang out in Charleston.

Rightists will, of course, deny the connection, the way Paisley did. But we are not fooled.
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« Reply #11 on: June 19, 2015, 09:45:01 AM »
I would agree that the right wing shock jocks have plenty of culpability in instilling this kind of racist, classist attitude in the public. That's real.

But there is something more going on here......or perhaps something less, something MISSING in people who commit these heinous acts.

I'm having an argument with my wife, who disagrees strongly with what I wrote above, who insists that these shooters are all sociopaths, and that they're probably born that way...that 25% of us humans are sociopaths. She read that recent book "Confessions of a Sociopath" and is now an expert. She wants gun control. It's simple to her.

I would say that even sociopaths generally understand that acts of this nature have serious negative consequences, and therefore would never go on a killing spree. They might not mind people getting shot or feel anything for the victims, but they wouldn't jeopardize their life and freedom by shooting  a Bible class. Even a sociopath can fear jail or getting the needle.

My own view on the whole sociopath issue, though, is that empathy has to be acquired, that it isn't necessarily something we're born with at all. And that we have so many sociopaths walking around because we don't instill any empathy in our TV raised kids.

But these shooters...we can definitely say that they ARE pretty devoid of empathy, and act like sociopaths. But that's not the whole story either. They are so often juvenile males, filled with hormones. They have no acceptable outlet for their violent aggressive thoughts or desires.

To me they are trying too hard to be something they think they want or need to be. Instead of being an unpopular twerp that nobody likes much, they want to be some kind of bad-ass. They want to be strong and in control. They want to SHOW EVERYBODY, BY GOD, that they are a FORCE TO BE RECKONED WITH.

When in the real world they come from they are fairly powerless, friendless, and possibly (in their own mind) worthless.

I just feel strongly that it is wrong to completely disarm people who DON'T take their firearms and act out these bizarre, insane behaviors. I do think there is a strong contingent of power elites who would like to see us even more completely helpless at the hands of the police and military than we already are.

I understand people who are calling out for gun control. It seems like the thing to do, until you think about what it is that's keeping the government from being even more repressive than they are, which is plenty bad already. I don't want to live in a country where the only armed people are police with a 95 IQ, and Chris Kyle types in the military.

I do think we need solutions to random acts of violence by these weirdos. There has to be a better solution than disarming the whole country though.
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« Reply #12 on: June 19, 2015, 03:17:46 PM »
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i disagree with the argument of your source which is essentially not to read the comments section of online articles Except when u find one blaming the right wing With a very weak argument. When msm articles talk of economic recovery and roses the comments tell the real story. Same thing is increasing in stories slanted to social engineering. The ingroup is an echo chamber and out of touch with why their agenda is not universally accepted. Yes some comments may be ignorant and vile but many others explain why moral conservatives throw their lot in with economic conservative against their own economic and environmental interest. It is high time parties who would acknowledge and act on global warming and provide public healthcare owned this problem. This shooter stated his motivation according to witnesses and it was not food stamps or bo, s birth certificate.  Blaming right wing  for this is bogus imo.

Eddie people have been capable of this long before tv and video games,  you have been posting history lessons lately demonstrating that and it goes back further as far as you care to look In human history.  i would not be surprised to learn later he has been listening to white supremacist rhetoric. Aside,  i believe u are right about the hormones. Late male virginity is rising and this guy, ugly and scrawny with a larry curly and mo bowl cut would be lucky to get past hello,  hence his speech about blacks raping his women. Hes not unlike the ucla one last year.
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« Reply #13 on: June 19, 2015, 03:46:16 PM »
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i disagree with the argument of your source which is essentially not to read the comments section of online articles Except when u find one blaming the right wing With a very weak argument. When msm articles talk of economic recovery and roses the comments tell the real story. Same thing is increasing in stories slanted to social engineering. The ingroup is an echo chamber and out of touch with why their agenda is not universally accepted. Yes some comments may be ignorant and vile but many others explain why moral conservatives throw their lot in with economic conservative against their own economic and environmental interest. It is high time parties who would acknowledge and act on global warming and provide public healthcare owned this problem. This shooter stated his motivation according to witnesses and it was not food stamps or bo, s birth certificate.  Blaming right wing  for this is bogus imo.

Eddie people have been capable of this long before tv and video games,  you have been posting history lessons lately demonstrating that and it goes back further as far as you care to look In human history.  i would not be surprised to learn later he has been listening to white supremacist rhetoric. Aside,  i believe u are right about the hormones. Late male virginity is rising and this guy, ugly and scrawny with a larry curly and mo bowl cut would be lucky to get past hello,  hence his speech about blacks raping his women. Hes not unlike the ucla one last year.

Agreed Uncle, Blaming the right for everything including crazed sicko's is the favorite pass time of the Left, it makes them think of themselves as good and loving.

Not reading the comments section of an article is like blocking your ears after a great concert or stage performance, so you won't have to hear what others thought of it, might conflict with your own view.

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« Reply #14 on: June 19, 2015, 04:00:37 PM »
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i disagree with the argument of your source which is essentially not to read the comments section of online articles Except when u find one blaming the right wing With a very weak argument. When msm articles talk of economic recovery and roses the comments tell the real story. Same thing is increasing in stories slanted to social engineering. The ingroup is an echo chamber and out of touch with why their agenda is not universally accepted. Yes some comments may be ignorant and vile but many others explain why moral conservatives throw their lot in with economic conservative against their own economic and environmental interest. It is high time parties who would acknowledge and act on global warming and provide public healthcare owned this problem. This shooter stated his motivation according to witnesses and it was not food stamps or bo, s birth certificate.  Blaming right wing  for this is bogus imo.

Eddie people have been capable of this long before tv and video games,  you have been posting history lessons lately demonstrating that and it goes back further as far as you care to look In human history.  i would not be surprised to learn later he has been listening to white supremacist rhetoric. Aside,  i believe u are right about the hormones. Late male virginity is rising and this guy, ugly and scrawny with a larry curly and mo bowl cut would be lucky to get past hello,  hence his speech about blacks raping his women. Hes not unlike the ucla one last year.

Agreed Uncle, Blaming the right for everything including crazed sicko's is the favorite pass time of the Left, it makes them think of themselves as good and loving.

Not reading the comments section of an article is like blocking your ears after a great concert or stage performance, so you won't have to hear what others thought of it, might conflict with your own view.

Censorship, by not looking or listening to opposing views.        :Benny_monkeysmilies:

Both of you are full of shit.

If you do not think that the corrosive drumbeat of right wing hatred anables tragedies like Charleston, you are utterly tone-deaf.

And can kiss my liberal-sicko ass.



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