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We talked with our most recent addition to the Diner Pantheon of cross posting Bloggers, Jeffrey Tucker this past Sunday.  Jeff blogs on the Liberty.me website, presenting a Libertarian viewpoint on many topics we also cover on the Diner.  He titles his own blog Beautiful Anarchy, in which he covers economics, art, popular culture, and politics from a pro-liberty, anti-state point of view.



I ran across Jeff's work when I read an article he wrote about a speech he went to, given by current Republican POTUS candidate and leader in the Polls, Donald Trump.  Since The Donald also styles himself as a Libertarian, it was fascinating to read Jeff's take on Trump, and the audience reactions to his message.



Here on the Diner, we also have a POTUS Poll running, which you can take HERE.  The Donald is currently ranked first as the WORST POTUS candidate by Kollapsniks. :)



Even more fascinating was talking to Jeff and getting his take on the latest in politics and culture.  Part 1 is below.  We will be airing Part 2 of this Podcast in the next month.






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…So the sort of brown shirted  religious devotion on the part of his admirers because he's saying things that other people are unwilling to say.  He's dangerous,  he's reckless, he says crazy stuff at every single speech and a lot of people are just so fed up with existing sort of parameters of political opinion that they look at him as some sort of savior.  His business success they count as being something that is in his favor as a president, which which worries me in a strange way because he seems to be running as a takeover bid for the whole country. It's not like he just wants to run the government,  he really he really wants to treat the United States as Trump Tower essentially.  There's a video quality to everything he says…



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…I think these days you know we have this just money worship that goes on that our society has been built around. And so you know anybody who has the billionaire title is instantly worshiped because they have so much money , plus  it just costs so much money also to be in the political sphere these days. Either you have found some way some people to back you like the Koch brothers or whatever, or you're rich yourself .   Bloomberg the mayor of New York there's a Billionaire.  Mitt Romney, tons and tons of money.   I'm not sure he's a billionaire. I think he's well up in the hundreds of millions. Now Trump of course another Billionaire and you could go back to Ross Perot he was also one of the super rich one back when he ran. So I think that rock star quality of having a lot of money,  the flamboyant lifestyle and so forth that appeals to people.  They kind of live vicariously through them…



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…I'd love to talk to Jeff about something else he has written that I found really compelling.  I think it ties into this question about Mr Trump to this extent. You wrote an article which I read on the the Foundation for Economic Education site where you describe libertarians is being grouped into two camps humanitarians and brutalists, which  I just I really was struck by them…




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Here's the current result of the Diner Survey of Worst POTUS Candidates:



Rank these POTUS candidates in order of how bad they are, worst candidate first, least worst last


























































































 

Standard Deviation

Responses

Weighted Average

Donald Trump

7.94

99

4.05 / 12

Jeb Bush

7.76

99

4.2 / 12

Ted Cruz

7.67

99

4.34 / 12

Hillary Clinton

6.72

99

5.35 / 12

Rick Perry

5.26

99

5.8 / 12

Scott Walker

2.83

99

5.98 / 12

Chris Christie

7.85

99

6.13 / 12

Marco Rubio

6.17

99

7.1 / 12

Joe Biden

7.43

99

7.44 / 12

Rand Paul

4.38

99

7.96 / 12

Elizabeth Warren

11.24

99

9.36 / 12

Bernie Sanders

14.45

99

10.27 / 12

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What a Top Shelf Podcast.

Mr Tucker is a wonderful speaker with such a friendly easy  going manner. Much food for thought in his views.

Surly, You were superlative in your questioning and brought out the best in Mr Tucker's philosophy, Kudos.

One minor request from the peanut gallery, not in anyway to be considered criticism. Frankly, I am as sick of Trump as I am Taylor Swift, Tom Brady and his deflated football, etc. Would love and appreciate covering some new ground in the next podcast. I noticed on researching Mr. Tucker that he worked years for Ron Paul and would love to know his thoughts on both Ron Paul and his son Rand. Also if it is realistic to ever expect the Libertarian Party to amount to a party of much more significance than it has had until now?

                                                                                                                                                                                   Thanks, GO

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Got to find time to listen to this one. How about sending me the transcript so I can read it at work?
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Got to find time to listen to this one. How about sending me the transcript so I can read it at work?

I made a Machine Transcript to get the Snippets.  Just for them, I had to do a lot of Cleanup to make them readable.  To try and get the gist of the conversation straight from the machine transcript is close to impossible.  I can send it to you, but it is probably better just to wait until you have an opportunity to listen.

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That's fine. Don't waste a bunch of your time to do it. I'll listen this afternoon after work.
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What a Top Shelf Podcast.

Mr Tucker is a wonderful speaker with such a friendly easy  going manner. Much food for thought in his views.

Surly, You were superlative in your questioning and brought out the best in Mr Tucker's philosophy, Kudos.

One minor request from the peanut gallery, not in anyway to be considered criticism. Frankly, I am as sick of Trump as I am Taylor Swift, Tom Brady and his deflated football, etc. Would love and appreciate covering some new ground in the next podcast. I noticed on researching Mr. Tucker that he worked years for Ron Paul and would love to know his thoughts on both Ron Paul and his son Rand. Also if it is realistic to ever expect the Libertarian Party to amount to a party of much more significance than it has had until now?

                                                                                                                                                                                   Thanks, GO

I certainly hope to have some future chats with JT.  There is a Part 2 to this conversation I will air already in the can.  However, we have a huge backlog at the moment of recordings we did with Norman Pagett, and we also have a new recording schedulde with Mystery Guest.  It takes a lot of time to do audio editing on any of these things.

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Finally got to it. Very good interview and just generally liked what Jeffrey Tucker had to say.

Paraphrasing..." i didn't name names but these two factions are real."

And one of them is named the Koch brothers. I am interested to hear JT talk about the more humanistic real libertarians. I would rate him as one, after having read that piece, but I don't have a long list of names when it comes to that side.



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Finally got to it. Very good interview and just generally liked what Jeffrey Tucker had to say.

Paraphrasing..." i didn't name names but these two factions are real."

And one of them is named the Koch brothers. I am interested to hear JT talk about the more humanistic real libertarians. I would rate him as one, after having read that piece, but I don't have a long list of names when it comes to that side.

I estimated the ratio of Brutalists:Humanists at 5:1.  JT is definitely a Humanist.

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Investigating him further, he seems to be a techno-anarchist, life-is-free-in-the-cloud kind of guy. 

What is Freedom.me, anyway?
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Investigating him further, he seems to be a techno-anarchist, life-is-free-in-the-cloud kind of guy. 

What is Freedom.me, anyway?

I don't know about Freedom.me, but Liberty.me is JTs website.  He launched it.

http://fee.org/freeman/detail/libertyme-launches

His title is Director of Digital Development.  So he is probably a Code Jockey.  It's set up as a Platform for many different things.  If I knew how to set up something like that, I would have done it for the Diner.  He blogs on there, but there are a bunch of other Libertarians who have their own blogs on the site.

I think he does believe in a Techno world future.  I don't think he really grasps the energy problem that well.

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Here is another Trump article from another Blogger on Liberty.me.

https://douglasfrench.liberty.me/bankrupt-candidate-for-a-bankrupt-nation/

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Oops. I meant Liberty.me
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Oops. I meant Liberty.me

Check your email.  I just started a new email stream with the Diner Principals and Code Jockeys.

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Finally got to it. Very good interview and just generally liked what Jeffrey Tucker had to say.

Paraphrasing..." i didn't name names but these two factions are real."

And one of them is named the Koch brothers. I am interested to hear JT talk about the more humanistic real libertarians. I would rate him as one, after having read that piece, but I don't have a long list of names when it comes to that side.

I estimated the ratio of Brutalists:Humanists at 5:1.  JT is definitely a Humanist.

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I recall asking him who he would place in the "humanist" camp. He mentioned Jefferson, but I don't believe he named anyone contemporaneous.
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Can we abbreviate BrutalistS  to simply BS libertarians for sake of convention? After JT said Donald was shouting at them "wer'e gonna make nuclear weapons mean something again!" And 15-20% were cheering that, I found it hard to pay attention to the rest. What does he think u just need a bigger arsenal like a 51% share to have a controlling interest in a hostile takeover.
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