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Published on the Doomstead Diner on August , 2015


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According to the UN, by 2050 the Global Population of Homo Saps is projected to be around 11B by 2100:


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Obviously, they arrive at these numbers by extrapolating out on current trends.  Nowhere do they explain how we'll be able to feed 11B, particularly since climate change and fresh water depletion are both already negatively affecting many of the growing regions around the globe.  Nor does it take into account fossil fuel depletion, phosphate depletion etc.


So, equally obvious to anyone who actually THINKS about this and doesn't simply extrapolate out the current trends, somewhere in the next 80 years the population is going to stop going UP, and start going DOWN.


As with the rest of the questions surrounding collapse, the outcome isn't in question here, just the timeline on it.  When will the population begin its inexorable downward slide?  Once this slide does begin, how fast will the population diminish?  These are the questions for this week's Collapse SurveyTM.


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World Peace Danger Survey Results


survey-saysNow the results from last week's survey,  Which Nation or Organization presents the Greatest Danger to World Peace?


Unsurprisingly given the demographics of Doomers, coming mostly from English speaking industrialized nations, ISIS got the nod as the greatest danger.  However, as of yet, ISIS doesn't possess any Nuclear Weapons, so the amount of damage they can actually do is fairly limited.  What they might do of course is become such a nuisance to frustrated neo-cons over here that someone on this side of the pond or the Israelis pushes the button to try to exterminate them en masse.


The FSoA came in as # 2 on the list of Greatest Dangers, although I really think you can make the case it should be #1 because in fact ISIS itself is a creation of the Imperial Foreign Policy of the last Century, going back to before WWI and the destruction of the old Ottoman Empire.  Plus of course as mentioned the huge Nuclear Arsenal wielded by the FSoA and the potential for electing Trigger Happy Idiots like Donald Trump as POTUS..  This combination of factors makes the FSoA a great danger indeed.


Coming in at #3 is Israel, and again you could make the case that Israel is more dangerous than ISIS since they do have Nukes, they are already being managed by a trigger happy nincompoop in Nitwityahoo, and they are surrounded by enemies who want them dead and gone yesterday.  If ISIS makes significant headway and gets hold of some Ruskie missiles with conventional warheads to start lobbing into Tel-Aviv and Jerusalem, will the Israelis stick to retaliating with just conventional weapons?  Maybe for a while, but if they are losing, eventually somebody over there will push the button on the Nukes.


On the other end of the spectrum,  putting Pakistan and India dead last depite the fact they BOTH have Nukes and there is a  constant dispute between the two on the India-Pakistan border seems to me to make them both a higher ranking threat to World Peace than say Boko Haram.  However, conflicts between India & Pakistan aren't well reported in the West, so there isn't the same kind of perception of danger that there is from Terrorist groups and the focus of a "War on Terror" constantly being pursued to keep those defense contractors rolling in dough.


Below, the full survey results for Most Dangerous to World Peace:


FULL WORLD PEACE SURVEY RESULTS:























































































































































































































 12345678Standard DeviationResponsesWeighted Average
ISIS 19

(32.2%)
10

(16.95%)
2

(3.39%)
10

(16.95%)
7

(11.86%)
2

(3.39%)
1

(1.69%)
1

(1.69%)
5.3593.8 / 13
USA 17

(28.81%)
8

(13.56%)
7

(11.86%)
0

(0%)
5

(8.47%)
0

(0%)
2

(3.39%)
5

(8.47%)
4.67595.25 / 13
Israel 2

(3.39%)
3

(5.08%)
12

(20.34%)
2

(3.39%)
5

(8.47%)
9

(15.25%)
9

(15.25%)
2

(3.39%)
3.39596.15 / 13
North Korea 1

(1.69%)
1

(1.69%)
9

(15.25%)
9

(15.25%)
8

(13.56%)
4

(6.78%)
6

(10.17%)
6

(10.17%)
2.87596.41 / 13
Russia 5

(8.47%)
2

(3.39%)
11

(18.64%)
7

(11.86%)
1

(1.69%)
5

(8.47%)
2

(3.39%)
3

(5.08%)
2.71596.58 / 13
NATO 7

(11.86%)
11

(18.64%)
5

(8.47%)
7

(11.86%)
2

(3.39%)
1

(1.69%)
1

(1.69%)
0

(0%)
4.22596.83 / 13
China 1

(1.69%)
6

(10.17%)
3

(5.08%)
4

(6.78%)
10

(16.95%)
4

(6.78%)
3

(5.08%)
6

(10.17%)
2.73596.85 / 13
Saudi Arabia 3

(5.08%)
1

(1.69%)
1

(1.69%)
6

(10.17%)
7

(11.86%)
6

(10.17%)
3

(5.08%)
9

(15.25%)
3.03597.27 / 13
Hezbollah 0

(0%)
1

(1.69%)
7

(11.86%)
6

(10.17%)
3

(5.08%)
10

(16.95%)
3

(5.08%)
5

(8.47%)
3.13597.69 / 13
Boko Haram 1

(1.69%)
12

(20.34%)
0

(0%)
2

(3.39%)
1

(1.69%)
5

(8.47%)
1

(1.69%)
5

(8.47%)
3.9597.78 / 13
Pakistan 0

(0%)
3

(5.08%)
2

(3.39%)
3

(5.08%)
5

(8.47%)
3

(5.08%)
13

(22.03%)
7

(11.86%)
3.2597.8 / 13
Iran 3

(5.08%)
1

(1.69%)
0

(0%)
3

(5.08%)
4

(6.78%)
4

(6.78%)
13

(22.03%)
7

(11.86%)
3.23598.03 / 13
India 0

(0%)
0

(0%)
0

(0%)
0

(0%)
1

(1.69%)
6

(10.17%)
2

(3.39%)
3

(5.08%)
4.915910.56 / 13

 


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Re: Survey: When Does the Dieoff Begin? Results: Most Dangerous to World Peace
« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2015, 10:49:14 AM »
Took your survey.....
We're all dust by the end of this year, no later than spring of '16.
The "bank holiday syndrome should start this month, may next
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Re: Survey: When Does the Dieoff Begin? Results: Most Dangerous to World Peace
« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2015, 11:24:49 AM »
Didn't take the survey yet  myself. Just reading the list makes me realize what a hard call it is.

One thing for sure, ISIS is far from being the biggest threat. ISIS is the best advertised threat in the American MSM. That's what skews the survey.

US foreign policy and Israeli foreign policy...those have to be at the top. All the other shit storms, including but not limited to ISIS, are a direct result of those policies.

India and Pakistan? Maybe if the Pakistani government is taken over by real extremists.

North Korea? Sure, there's danger there.

Russia? Only if continually provoked by the USMIC crowd. China? Likewise. Iran?The threat is over-stated, once again due to the MSM.

Nobody ever sees the real threat...until it's too late. What about the French? I have it on good authority they're pissed because our wine is better than their wine. They have nukes,and they're rowdy when they're  drunk.
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Re: Survey: When Does the Dieoff Begin? Results: Most Dangerous to World Peace
« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2015, 03:41:40 PM »
Didn't take the survey yet  myself. Just reading the list makes me realize what a hard call it is.

While the World Peace Survey is still open and collecting data, I doubt I will publish updated results on it.  if you don't vote in the first week of a given survey, your vote is not part of the compiled statistics I publish a week later.  So you should focus on the Dieoff Survey, which is new this week with results to be published next Tuesday, along with the new survey for that week, which is going to be "What order will the Major World Currencies Collapse?

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Re: Survey: When Does the Dieoff Begin? Results: Most Dangerous to World Peace
« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2015, 06:00:14 PM »
So you should focus on the Dieoff Survey, which is new this week with results to be published next Tuesday, along with the new survey for that week, which is going to be "What order will the Major World Currencies Collapse?


The Die-Off Survey is a toughy....really guess work there. The Currency one should be pretty interesting, with more calculable results. Looking forward to reading the comments on that one.
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Re: Survey: When Does the Dieoff Begin? Results: Most Dangerous to World Peace
« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2015, 06:25:00 PM »
So you should focus on the Dieoff Survey, which is new this week with results to be published next Tuesday, along with the new survey for that week, which is going to be "What order will the Major World Currencies Collapse?


The Die-Off Survey is a toughy....really guess work there. The Currency one should be pretty interesting, with more calculable results. Looking forward to reading the comments on that one.

Results so far coming out in a very nice Bell Curve.   :)

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« Reply #6 on: September 02, 2015, 05:06:11 AM »
52 Respondents so far for the Dieoff Survey, which is a decent sample size of Doomers.

If you believe the opinions of Doomers, then Dieoff seems likely to commence sometime between 2020 and 2030.


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Re: Survey: When Does the Dieoff Begin? Results: Most Dangerous to World Peace
« Reply #7 on: September 02, 2015, 06:54:24 AM »
Looks like a reasonable facsimile of the real world's chances, to me.

I expect the die-off will be more along the lines of what JMG was talking about, just a little increased mortality across the board, and not too many massive events that take out thousands and tens of thousands in one fell swoop.
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Die Off Survey
« Reply #8 on: September 02, 2015, 03:59:17 PM »
Excellent questions in the die off survey. Is there a discussion? Maybe this thread?

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« Reply #9 on: September 02, 2015, 05:26:15 PM »
Excellent questions in the die off survey. Is there a discussion? Maybe this thread?

The thread for discussion of the Die Off Survey is on the Survey Board.  I will merge this thread with that one.

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Re: Survey: When Does the Dieoff Begin? Results: Most Dangerous to World Peace
« Reply #10 on: September 02, 2015, 05:51:17 PM »
Die off Survey now at 68 Respondents.

2020 is still the most likely year for population reduction to begin according to Doomers.

I won't publish intermediary results on the other 2 questions until the Survey officially finishes next Monday.  Guesses are welcome here however.

Since publishing, I thought of a couple of other questions which would have been interesting to get data on.

I should have asked one specific to the FSoA, "When will FSoA Population begin to decrease?", since there will be a difference between locations.  There will probably be a lot of migration in this direction, which will raise population here while it decreases elsewhere.

Another one would have been a Ranking question for various countries on % Dieoff for those countries.  Who will get hit first, worst and hardest?

I'll probably do a Part II for this survey, so if you think of other questions to ask in Part II drop them here.

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My Die Off Survey thread
« Reply #11 on: September 02, 2015, 06:03:43 PM »
Did my die off survey thread get moved or deleted? If moved where did it go? Thanks.

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Re: My Die Off Survey thread
« Reply #12 on: September 02, 2015, 06:13:40 PM »
Did my die off survey thread get moved or deleted? If moved where did it go? Thanks.

I merged it with the Dieoff Survey Thread on the Survey board.

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Re: My Die Off Survey thread
« Reply #13 on: September 02, 2015, 07:38:34 PM »
ah thanks feel free to delete this thread

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Re: My Die Off Survey thread
« Reply #14 on: September 02, 2015, 07:40:37 PM »
ah thanks feel free to delete this thread

Now that you know where to find the main thread, I will merge this one to that one also.

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