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Putin: ISIS has designs on Mecca, Medina, Jerusalem
« on: September 15, 2015, 06:54:52 AM »
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Putin: ISIS has designs on Mecca, Medina, Jerusalem, endangers Europe & Russia
15 Sep, 2015

Islamic State has designs on the holy cities of Mecca, Medina, Jerusalem and endangers Europe and Russia, Vladimir Putin said. Moscow is concerned about IS-trained jihadists returning to EU countries, the CIS and Russia.

The situation is very serious, Putin said, adding that Moscow is very worried that IS terrorists are publicly announcing their designs on Mecca, Medina and Jerusalem. The jihadists also plan to spread their activities to Europe, Russia, central and southeastern Asia.

"Extremists from many countries of the world, including, unfortunately, European counties, Russia and the  Commonwealth of Independent States (CIS) undertake ideological and military training in the ranks of Islamic State [IS, formerly known as ISIS/ISIL]," said Putin, speaking at the Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO) summit in Tajikistan's capital, Dushanbe. "And certainly we are worried that they could possibly return."

Putin said it’s necessary for geopolitical ambitions to be set aside in the fight against IS terrorists.

"Simple common sense, responsibility for global and regional safety require uniting efforts of the international community [to fight] such a threat. It is necessary to set aside geopolitical ambitions, drop so-called double standards, the policy of direct or indirect use of separate terrorist groups for achieving own goals, including removing the governments and regimes."

Russia is supporting the Syrian government in its fight against terrorism and will continue its support, Putin said.

"We give technical-military support to Damascus and will continue doing it," he said. "And we call on other countries to join us in this."

Both Bashar Assad’s government and the opposition forces should unite to battle the jihadists, Putin stressed.

"Now we have to unite the efforts of the Syrian government and the Kurdish self-defense forces and the so-called moderate opposition, and other countries in the [Middle East] region to fight the threat to Syria’s statehood and terrorism."

Russia is calling for uniting the efforts of all forces eager to fight terrorism, said the Russian leader.

"Russia, as you know, has proposed to form a wide coalition to fight extremists without any delay. It [the coalition] should unite everyone who is ready and is already contributing to tackling terrorism.”

The activities of the IS jihadist group go beyond Iraq and Syria. The Russian president mentioned that the militants’ influence is also spreading in another war-torn country in the region - Afghanistan.

"Unfortunately the situation in the country [Afghanistan] is degrading after the withdrawal of most foreign troops," Putin said, adding there is a real threat that terror groups from neighboring countries may infiltrate the area.

Putin once again dismissed the accusations against Russia claiming the recent influx of refugees in EU countries was allegedly prompted by Moscow supporting the legitimate government of Syria.

"People are fleeing Syria, first of all, because of military actions … from atrocities of terrorists – we know they are committing brutalities there, and destroying cultural heritage.

"If Russia had not been supporting Syria, the situation in the country would have been worse than in Libya and the refugee flow would have been even bigger," Putin said.

He added that it was not Russia who destabilized the situation in such countries as Libya, Iraq, Yemen, Afghanistan and other regions of the world.

"It was not us who destroyed government institutions there creating the power vacuum, which is immediately filled by terrorists," he concluded.
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Re: Putin: ISIS has designs on Mecca, Medina, Jerusalem
« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2015, 08:43:33 AM »
"It was not us who destroyed government institutions there creating the power vacuum, which is immediately filled by terrorists," he concluded.

They certainly tried to, though, in Afghanistan, at least.

Before this whole thing is done, the only good Muslim will likely be a dead Muslim, I'm afraid. I don't see how the extreme elements will ever be rooted out without many more innocents being slaughtered along with the bad guys, maybe even a world-wide genocide. (No, I'm not in favor of that.)

They (Muslims) have the numbers game won already in terms of demographics. As collapse spins down, the perceived threat from ISIL and other jihadists will be greater each and every year. More poor kids with no hope. More radicalization. More secret support from people who claim to be loyal citizens and allies of Europe and the US.

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Re: Putin: ISIS has designs on Mecca, Medina, Jerusalem
« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2015, 09:42:45 AM »
Looks as if Putin is smoking out FSoA motives in Syria. A proxy war over energy pipelines. Vlad wants to sell gas to Europe, and the neocons don't want that.
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Re: Putin: ISIS has designs on Mecca, Medina, Jerusalem
« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2015, 03:24:27 PM »
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"It was not us who destroyed government institutions there creating the power vacuum, which is immediately filled by terrorists," he [Putin] concluded.

They certainly tried to, though, in Afghanistan, at least.

That isn't what happened in Afghanistan at all.  You've got to remember that at the time the Soviet Union bordered Afghanistan's north, and the Muslims there were well looked after, better certainly than the Afghans.  So naturally some Afghans were keen on communism.  Afghan politics was a shambles of corruption and duplicity, and the Army was weak and had divided loyalties.  The medieval practice of capturing the opposing forces' leaders and holding them hostage was rife.  Pakistan, Iran, China and India were all supporting various factions for their own purposes, and the evil Brzezinski was watching developments from afar.

In 1978 there was a coup which brought the communists to power, they were the Government, but faction-ridden.  Through 1979 President Taraki then Amin asked the Soviets for troops several times, but the reluctant Soviets only sent "technical assistance".  Amin's faction were so brutal that they were making things worse, so in December 79 the Soviets went in and wiped him out, leaving the Babrak Kamal faction "in charge".  They only controlled Kabul and about 20% of the country, just as the US later did in 2001-14. 

The international response was to flood the opposition forces with weapons.  US, Israel, UK, Turkey, Egypt and China all sent weapons.  The US supply chain through Saudi Arabia and Pakistan to Kandahar turned out to be the most effective, and in the hands of "Afghan Arabs", including Usama bin Laden's group, to be the most controllable.  The Russians having "pacified" areas, as soon as the helicopters left, the fighting would break out again.

All the time they were in Afghanistan, the Russians only supported the Government, unlike the US which in 2001 deposed the Taliban Government. The rest, as they say, is history.
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Re: Putin: ISIS has designs on Mecca, Medina, Jerusalem
« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2015, 03:43:24 PM »
The ZH view, which I think places too much emphasis on the Qatar-Saudi-Jordan-Syria-Turkey gas pipeline - just a 2,000 Km line on a map.  Does the US really think they could simply wipe ISIS out after they have taken control of Damascus, when they can't even retake Mosul?

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-09-15/putin-accuses-world-using-terrorist-groups-destabilize-governments
Putin Accuses World Of "Using Terrorist Groups" To Destabilize Governments
Tyler Durden
9/15/2015

If you’ve followed the incessant back-and-forth between Washington and Moscow over the course of the proxy wars raging in Ukraine and Syria, you know that the Kremlin is without equal when it comes to describing US foreign policy in a way that is both succinct and accurate.

This was on full display earlier this year when Vladimir Putin’s Security Council released a document that carried the subtle title "About The US National Security Strategy.” We’ve also seen it on a number of occasions over the past several weeks in the wake of Russia’s stepped up military role in support of the Assad regime at Latakia. For instance, last week, Russian foreign ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova delivered the following hilariously veracious assessment of how Washington has sought to characterize Moscow’s relationship with Damascus:

    "First we were accused of providing arms to the so-called 'bloody regime that was persecuting democratic activists, now it's a new edition - we are supposedly harming the fight against terrorism. That is complete rubbish."

Yes, it probably is, but let’s not forget that Russia hasn’t exactly been forthcoming when it comes to acknowledging that, like Washington, Moscow’s interest in Syria is only related to terrorism to the extent that terrorism serves as a Western tool to destabilize the Assad regime which, you’re reminded, must remain in place if Putin intends to protect Gazprom’s iron grip over Europe’s supply of natural gas.

Of course what that suggests is that even as Russia uses ISIS as a smokescreen to justify sending troops to Syria, the Kremlin is by definition being more honest about its motives than The White House. That is, ISIS has destabilized Assad and because Russia has an interest in keeping the regime in power, Moscow actually does have a reason to eradicate Islamic State. The US, on the other hand, facilitated the destabilization of the country in the first place by playing a role in training and arming all manner of Syrian rebels, and to say that some of them might well have gone on to fight for ISIS would be a very generous assessment when it comes to describing the CIA’s involvement (a less generous assessment would be to call ISIS a “strategic CIA asset”). That means that the US will only really care about wiping out ISIS once Assad is gone and it’s time to install a puppet government that’s friendly to both Washington and Riyadh and at that point - assuming there are no other regimes in the area that the Pentagon feels like might need destabilizing - the US military will swiftly “liberate” Syria from the ISIS “scourge.”

To be sure, Russia is well aware of the game being played here and if there’s anything Vladimir Putin is not, it’s shy about calling the US out, which is precisely what he did on Tuesday at a security summit of ex-Soviet countries in Dushanbe, Tajikistan. Bloomberg has more:

    Russian President Vladimir Putin said the fight against Islamic State should be the global community’s top priority in Syria, rather than changing the regime of Bashar al-Assad.

    “It’s necessary to think about the political transition in that country” and Assad is willing to “involve healthy opposition forces in the administration of the state,” Putin said. “But the focus today is definitely on the need to combine forces in the fight against terrorism.”

    Countries need to “put aside geopolitical ambitions” as well as “direct or indirect use of terrorist groups to achieve” goals that include regime change, in order to counter the threat of Islamic State, Putin said. “Elementary common sense responsibility for global and regional security demands the collective effort of the international community.”

The first thing to note there is that Putin has essentially called the US out for using terrorists to destabilize Assad. So for anyone just looking for the punchline, that was it. Everyone else, read on. 

At this point what should be obvious is that Vladimir Putin’s intentions in Syria are anything but unclear. Russia is openly supplying the Assad regime with military aid in an effort to prevent terrorists and extremists (some of which were trained by the US and received aid from Qatar) from facilitating the strongman’s ouster. It’s that simple and frankly, the only two things Russia hasn’t made explicitly and publicly clear (because this is international diplomacy after all, which means everyone is always lying about something) are i) the role that natural gas plays in all of this, and ii) that the Kremlin will seek to prevent anyone from overthrowing Assad, so to the extent that there are any real, well-meaning “freedom fighters” in Syria, they’ll find themselves on the wrong end of Russian tank fire just the same as ISIS.

As clear as that is, the US must stick to the absurd notion that the Pentagon just can’t seem to get to the bottom of what Russia is doing and to the still more absurd idea that Russia - who seems to be the only outside party that’s actually interested in fighting ISIS as evidenced by the fact that there are Russian boots on the ground - is somehow hurting the very serious effort by the US and its allies to defeat Islamic radicals in Syria. Here’s Bloomberg again:

    Russia’s intentions in Syria are unclear and it’s important for U.S. diplomats to understand them, Martin Dempsey, chairman of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff, told reporters in Tallinn, Estonia, on Tuesday. While Putin’s said it wants to prevent Islamic State’s expansion, “explaining the purpose and seeing how it actually evolves on the ground are two very different things and we will be working on that,” Dempsey said.

Right, “explaining” that your “purpose” is to take your very powerful military and defeat what amounts to a large militia that’s woefully under-armed and under-trained by comparison “and seeing how it actually evolves are two very different things.” If you buy that argument, then you are buying into the patently ridiculous idea that if the US and Russia were to bring their combined military might to bear on ISIS in Syria, that somehow the outcome of that battle would be in doubt.

The Pentagon knows that notion is silly, but what it also knows is that once American troops are on the ground, there’s no not routing the other militants while you’re there, so what would happen in relatively short order, is that the opposition would be all gone and then, well, what do you do with Assad?

The much more straightforward way to go about this (unless of course you have a 9/11 and a story about WMDs buried in the desert as a cover that makes an outright, unilateral invasion possible), is to allow for the entire country to descend into chaos until one or more rebel/extremist groups finally manages to take Damascus, at which point you simply walk in with the Marines and remove them, then install any government you see fit. In the meantime, you just fly over and bomb stuff (hopefully with a coalition that includes Europe) in order to ensure that the situation remains sufficiently unstable. But now this plan won’t work, because unless we see a replay of the Soviet-Afghan war, none of Syria’s rebel groups are going to be able to rout the Russian army which means the US is stuck doing exactly what it’s doing now: trying to explain why it won’t join Russia in a coalition to eradicate ISIS while working to figure out what’s next now that the Russians are officially on the ground.

We'll close with the following from Alexander Golts, a military analyst and deputy editor of the online newspaper Yezhednevny Zhurnal who spoke to WSJ:

    “The idea of this is…to show Russia as part of the alliance of civilized nations that are standing against barbarism. But that idea won’t have much of a chance, because the U.S. and the Saudis and others consider Assad the source of the problem.”
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