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Published on the Doomstead Diner on Septemeber 30, 2015



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TAKE THE ORDERING PREPS FOR COLLAPSE SURVEY HERE



Our new Collapse Survey TM for this week is on how you should order up your preps for Collapse.



There is a lot of dispute on this topic, particularly with folks who think Gold & Silver are important Collapse Preps to have.  Theory there is that the PMs will hold their value when the fiat money collapses. So do you want to convert your current paper or digibit money into Gold if you have some savings?  How much of your pile should be held in Gold? 



Alternatively, you have many folks looking at a Mad Max scenario unfolding, so they are more partial to Steel & Lead as an investment.  AKA, Guns and Ammo.



Then you have the Back to the Land folks who feel the best investment is to buy your own piece of property and start growing your own veggies.  Except, once your Goobermint is outta biz, who exactly enforces you Property Rights to that patch of land?  If you are a Libertarian or Anarchist who wants to see Goobermint disappear, than what gives you the right to own a piece of property?



In the survey, you get $10,000 to spend on whatever preps you like, distributed out however you like.  If you're going to buy land with that, it's probably going to take at least half of it right there.



Anyhow, you can express some of your opinions on these topics in this Survey.



survey-saysNow. on to the results from last week's survey, the Fate of Countries in Collapse! :)



Although I did include questions to rank many countries and/or regions as to their fate in collapse, mainly the survey was focused on the "Big 3", the FSoA, Russia and China.



There s a constant debate ongoing in the Collapse Blogosphere as to which of these countries will fare the best as collapse marches onward, and there is a lot of ideological spin that goes along with that analysis also.



So, here I tried to strip some of that out and just get a hard and fast global viewpoint on which will be best and worst as time goes by.



Below here are the results from this survey.



For most dead people in gross numbers, the Winner is




























































































































































































 

1

2

3

4

5

6

7

8

Standard Deviation

Responses

Weighted Average

China

19

(31.15%)


15

(24.59%)


7

(11.48%)


5

(8.2%)


2

(3.28%)


7

(11.48%)


2

(3.28%)


1

(1.64%)


5.9

61

3.18 / 11

India

12

(19.67%)


11

(18.03%)


10

(16.39%)


6

(9.84%)


7

(11.48%)


5

(8.2%)


2

(3.28%)


2

(3.28%)


3.8

61

3.97 / 11

Middle East-North Africa

3

(4.92%)


7

(11.48%)


13

(21.31%)


10

(16.39%)


5

(8.2%)


7

(11.48%)


10

(16.39%)


2

(3.28%)


3.96

61

4.74 / 11

Japan

4

(6.56%)


10

(16.39%)


2

(3.28%)


8

(13.11%)


8

(13.11%)


8

(13.11%)


6

(9.84%)


5

(8.2%)


2.81

61

5.38 / 11

USA-Canada

10

(16.39%)


3

(4.92%)


4

(6.56%)


8

(13.11%)


5

(8.2%)


3

(4.92%)


4

(6.56%)


6

(9.84%)


2.31

61

5.8 / 11

Sub-Saharan Africa

4

(6.56%)


8

(13.11%)


7

(11.48%)


4

(6.56%)


9

(14.75%)


0

(0%)


4

(6.56%)


9

(14.75%)


2.54

61

5.95 / 11

Europe

2

(3.28%)


3

(4.92%)


4

(6.56%)


6

(9.84%)


8

(13.11%)


11

(18.03%)


8

(13.11%)


8

(13.11%)


3.37

61

6.08 / 11

Southeast Asia

3

(4.92%)


3

(4.92%)


5

(8.2%)


5

(8.2%)


7

(11.48%)


7

(11.48%)


7

(11.48%)


3

(4.92%)


2.84

61

6.49 / 11

Russia

3

(4.92%)


1

(1.64%)


7

(11.48%)


4

(6.56%)


4

(6.56%)


3

(4.92%)


9

(14.75%)


11

(18.03%)


2.78

61

6.89 / 11

Central-South America

0

(0%)


0

(0%)


2

(3.28%)


2

(3.28%)


4

(6.56%)


8

(13.11%)


8

(13.11%)


9

(14.75%)


4.48

61

7.9 / 11

Australia-New Zealand

1

(1.64%)


0

(0%)


0

(0%)


3

(4.92%)


2

(3.28%)


2

(3.28%)


1

(1.64%)


5

(8.2%)


10.7

61

9.62 / 11


China!



India #2.



Since these are the two most populous countries on the planet currently, this makes perfect sense.  The Kollapsniks TM got this one right! :)



Now going by percentage of the current population:




























































































































































































 

1

2

3

4

5

6

7

8

Standard Deviation

Responses

Weighted Average

Middle East-North Africa

14

(22.95%)


9

(14.75%)


4

(6.56%)


6

(9.84%)


3

(4.92%)


6

(9.84%)


15

(24.59%)


1

(1.64%)


4.92

61

4.28 / 11

China

7

(11.48%)


16

(26.23%)


7

(11.48%)


3

(4.92%)


10

(16.39%)


7

(11.48%)


0

(0%)


3

(4.92%)


4.31

61

4.41 / 11

India

3

(4.92%)


13

(21.31%)


6

(9.84%)


5

(8.2%)


13

(21.31%)


5

(8.2%)


5

(8.2%)


5

(8.2%)


3.85

61

4.87 / 11

Japan

6

(9.84%)


7

(11.48%)


6

(9.84%)


16

(26.23%)


5

(8.2%)


4

(6.56%)


4

(6.56%)


4

(6.56%)


3.65

61

4.9 / 11

USA-Canada

16

(26.23%)


3

(4.92%)


5

(8.2%)


3

(4.92%)


4

(6.56%)


6

(9.84%)


6

(9.84%)


5

(8.2%)


3.87

61

5.07 / 11

Europe

6

(9.84%)


2

(3.28%)


6

(9.84%)


6

(9.84%)


5

(8.2%)


14

(22.95%)


3

(4.92%)


8

(13.11%)


3.29

61

5.77 / 11

Sub-Saharan Africa

4

(6.56%)


7

(11.48%)


6

(9.84%)


6

(9.84%)


5

(8.2%)


1

(1.64%)


5

(8.2%)


20

(32.79%)


4.96

61

5.87 / 11

Russia

2

(3.28%)


3

(4.92%)


14

(22.95%)


2

(3.28%)


3

(4.92%)


4

(6.56%)


10

(16.39%)


6

(9.84%)


3.53

61

6.3 / 11

Southeast Asia

1

(1.64%)


0

(0%)


2

(3.28%)


11

(18.03%)


7

(11.48%)


3

(4.92%)


8

(13.11%)


5

(8.2%)


5.09

61

7.15 / 11

Central-South America

0

(0%)


1

(1.64%)


2

(3.28%)


1

(1.64%)


4

(6.56%)


9

(14.75%)


5

(8.2%)


4

(6.56%)


6.16

61

7.92 / 11

Australia-New Zealand

2

(3.28%)


0

(0%)


3

(4.92%)


2

(3.28%)


2

(3.28%)


2

(3.28%)


0

(0%)


0

(0%)


11.62

61

9.48 / 11


In this case, MENA got the nod for most dead people by percentage of population, which I also would generally agree with considering so much of it is already DESERT.  However, I would have ranked both Japan and sub-Saharan Africa higher.



Now the "Big 3" questions, comparing the fate of the FSoA, China & Russia in the post-collapse world:



Which one does best?
























 

USA

China

Russia

Standard Deviation

Responses

All Data

19

(31.15%)


11

(18.03%)


31

(50.82%)


8.22

61


The Ruskies win this one hands down.  Most Kollapsniks believe that since Mother Russia has already experienced collapse, they're more resilient.  Also, they like the people/land ration and the resources.



Here's Text Responses:





























Strict. Authoritarian. Tight control. Strong military. Organizational capability and enforcement.

Our words are backed by working nuclear weapons.

Technology, temperate lands with a relatively large amount of resources, mid-large population, science.

abundance of natural resouces, people/land ratio

 


Where would most Kollapsniks prefer to be living post-collapse?
























 

USA

China

Russia

Standard Deviation

Responses

All Data

47

(77.05%)


2

(3.28%)


12

(19.67%)


19.29

61


Despite most Kollapsniks believing Mother Russia will do better, they still would rather be here in the good old FSoA.  This also is not surprising given the demographic of Kollapsniks is about 50% Amerikan and most folks want to stay where they are comfortable, know the language and fit in culturally.



Here's text responses on this one:



















As a country, the United States may still be able to hold things together. Even if not, the social and cultural landscape is most familiar.

I speak English

The other two have a funny history when it comes to instability and killing people.


Finally, which country is likely to experience Political Upheaval and Revolution first?
























 

USA

China

Russia

Standard Deviation

Responses

All Data

26

(42.62%)


27

(44.26%)


8

(13.11%)


8.73

61


This is almost a dead even race between China and the FSoA, with Mother Russia coming in a distant 3rd.  Not sure why Kollapsniks think the Ruskie Goobermint is so stable though.



For myself, I will take a Middle Ground here (not available on the Survey) and stay in Alaska, but have it Repoed by Mother Russia. :)



OK, now get to it and take the new Ordering Preps for Collapse survey!


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The 10K limit on preps really tends to skew the survey results. With only 10K, how would you possibly afford land or gold or silver? Or even PV's? 10K doesn't get you to first base on preps, unfortunately.

Preps have to be acquired by budgeting over time.

I'd like to see a survey of what people (a) estimate as their current USD investment in each of the categories you name, or (b) what they think a reasonable dollar amount would be to spend on each category, with no artificial limit.
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The 10K limit on preps really tends to skew the survey results. With only 10K, how would you possibly afford land or gold or silver? Or even PV's? 10K doesn't get you to first base on preps, unfortunately.

Preps have to be acquired by budgeting over time.

I'd like to see a survey of what people (a) estimate as their current USD investment in each of the categories you name, or (b) what they think a reasonable dollar amount would be to spend on each category, with no artificial limit.

I chose $10K because it was an amount of savings that maybe 20% of the population actually HAVE. 

Yah, it's very limiting, particularly in buying land.  Maybe you can find some land at $2K an acre though if you feel this is a good way to allocate the money.

If you would like to see another survey with a higher bracketing, send me the questions and setup in PM, I will get it dropped on to our survey site.

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I'll list what i think is adequate.

    Long Lasting Foods (dried, canned, freeze dried etc)

You can't really overdo food preps. But a minimum of $2000/person gets you to 3 months supply of good nutrition. Much below that and you better know how to kill or grow something to eat.


    Land

A couple of acres is enough. Prices are too varied to have a set amount, but I'd expect to spend at least 40K.


    Cash (FRNs. Euros etc)

Enough for a couple of months of normal expenses. So maybe 5K to 20K depending on family size.


    Gold

3-10 ozs minimum


    Silver

500 to 1000 ozs


    Guns & Ammo

$2500 minimum to include a good .22 and a shotgun and a pellet rifle and lots of ammo


    Energy Production (Solar PV, Wind Turbine etc)

$2500 for a 350-400 watt system with a cheap genny to charge the batteries when there's no sun.



    Food Production (Hydroponics, Aquaculutre, Garden etc)

Varies by location and chosen growing method. $100 to $5000.


    Barter Items (Booze, Cigarettes, Diapers, Tampons, Tools etc)

$1000 minimum


    Alternative Transportation (bicycles, electric vehicles etc)

Not much.


    Alternative Shelter (tents, sleeping bags etc.

Depends on location. Minimum one tent and some sleeping bags and a little camping gear. $1000-2000.

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I'll list what i think is adequate.

    Long Lasting Foods (dried, canned, freeze dried etc)

You can't really overdo food preps. But a minimum of $2000/person gets you to 3 months supply of good nutrition. Much below that and you better know how to kill or grow something to eat.

I'm not gonna go through this whole thing, but this is just nonsense.

I can feed myself EASILY on no more than $50/week, in fact I think I can do it with $30 and that is with some fairly premium foods sprinkled in there.  Over 52 weeks, you are talking MAX per person $2500 IMHO.  I think I could do it for $1500 though.

Start sprinkling in growing your own veggies and some chickens, cut that one in half.

In my own $10K setup, I allocated $2K to long lasting foods, mostly rice and beans.  should keep me going for 2 years if I can catch some fish protein also during the time period.

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We basically agree if you think about it. You say 2500 and it gets you a year. I say 2000 for three months. I could probably stretch my 3 month supply out to six months if I had to, Maybe longer.

But 2000/person is not a lot, if you're trying to do what that the prep experts recommend, which is a lot of stored grains that have 10-20 year shelf life. Not just rice and beans. rice and beans are great, but hardly a balanced diet.

A prefab long storage food kit that is supposed to feed a man for a year can be had for about $2000 now from the nice Mormons at Pleasant Hill Grains. Except it costs a lot to ship it if you live far away, because it's huge. This is a VERY basic nutrition package, with no frills, but it will keep nearly forever.



http://pleasanthillgrain.com/foodpak-year-dehydrated-food-supply-lds-storable-emergency-survival


 I started with such a kit as my basic building block. To that I've added over time things like canned meats, canned butter, canned cheese, dried eggs, dried milk, Also dried beans and rice in bulk.

So it's very easy to spend a lot if you plan to have nutrition for kids, especially. I think food is a great area to overindulge in preps. Could I do it cheaper? Yeah, but we're talkin' groceries here.
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Survey: Future of Energy Results: Ordering Preps for Collapse
« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2015, 02:17:57 AM »
This one had too much HTML for the SMF.  ::)

You'll need to read it on the Blog.

Lotta interesting stats there.

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