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Mass shootings by the numbers: More than 350 in 2015
« Reply #30 on: December 04, 2015, 02:43:27 PM »
Told you it was a weekly event now.  You heard it hear first.

There is now a website Shooting Tracker to keep you up to date.  ::)

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http://america.aljazeera.com/multimedia/2015/12/gun-violence-by-the-numbers-2015-mass-shootings.html

Mass shootings by the numbers: More than 350 in 2015

 by Ehab Zahriyeh @EhabZ December 4, 2015 8:00AM ET

If it seems there has been a mass shooting in the US nearly every week this year, that’s because it’s true

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A couple’s gun rampage in San Bernardino, California, on Dec. 2 that left 14 dead came less than a week after a lone shooter at a Planned Parenthood clinic in Colorado killed three.

If it seems like a mass shooting is happening nearly every week in the United States, that's because it's true.

More than 350 mass shootings have occurred in the United States so far in 2015.

Only during one week this year — April 8 to April 15 — has there been no mass shooting, according to Shooting Tracker, an organization that, in the absence of a federal gun violence database, tracks mass shootings through reports in local media.

Defining a mass shooting as an event in which at least four people are shot, there have now been 353 this year.




All told, mass shootings this year have led to 462 deaths.

Besides the rampage in San Bernardino — which is the deadliest single shooting incident in the U.S. since 2012 — three other incidents in 2015 resulted in nine or more deaths: a Roseburg, Oregon shooting on Oct. 1; a Charleston, South Carolina shooting on June 17; and a Waco, Texas shooting on May 17.

Unlike these multiple-fatality incidents, most of the 353 mass shootings reported by Shooting Tracker killed either one person or none: 147 of the incidents resulted in no deaths and 104 in one person dying. Eight mass shootings — including the one in San Bernardino — killed more than five people.




Most mass shootings in the U.S. occur in big cities with high rates of poverty and rampant gun- or gang-related violence.

These events typically get much less media attention than mass shootings in smaller towns or suburban areas or that appear unrelated to gangs or other criminal activity.

Of the 17 areas that have had four or more mass shootings this year — for a total of 87 between them — all are cities with populations of more than 200,000. Six of the 17 cities are big, with more than 2 million residents.

Chicago this year has the highest number of reported mass shootings — 14, resulting in a total of 10 deaths. These are one part of the sky-high rate of gun violence in the city, which has seen gun arrests increase by 22 percent this year and a total of 2,200 shootings amid 6,500 seizures of illegal guns.

Baltimore, which comes second in the number of reported mass shootings this year, with 10 incidents resulting in eight deaths, has a similar stark problem with gun violence. The city this year experienced one of its deadliest summers on record and is on pace to have more than 300 homicides, the most in the city since 1999.

Houston has had five mass shootings this year, but the highest number of deaths from such incidents — 13. That is second only to San Bernardino.
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Re: Another Day Another Shooter
« Reply #31 on: December 04, 2015, 03:38:23 PM »
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Told you it was a weekly event now.  You heard it hear first.

Was absolutely dumbfounded by this posting. Had no idea.

Read it twice to make sure it was true, utterly amazing.  :o :icon_scratch:

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Re: Another Day Another Shooter
« Reply #32 on: December 04, 2015, 03:45:27 PM »
I think someone is getting creative with the definition of "mass".

Too bad those folks in California were exercising their rights appropriately, I'm guessing these particular religious fruit loops might have had it a little rougher.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2015/12/04/man-exercising-his-right-openly-carry-rifle-all-around-ohio-town/76781666/
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Re: Another Day Another Shooter
« Reply #33 on: December 04, 2015, 04:10:49 PM »
The May 17 Waco shooting is bogus, because nobody knows yet how many of the nine people killed were shot by cops.

That was the so-called Twin Peaks motorcycle gang shoot-out, where police arrested 170 people and held them with their bonds set so absurdly high that most of them were in jail for months...and then failed to indicte a single one of them. Many innocent people went to jail, lost their jobs, etc.

Most of those killed were probably shot by cops. It was not a mass shooter incident at all in my book. Shouldn't be in the tally.  I wonder how many others on the website are like that.

I expect that the McClellan County Sheriff's Office will be sued into perpetuity and end up looking really stupid before it's done.
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Re: Another Day Another Shooter
« Reply #34 on: December 04, 2015, 08:14:24 PM »
The May 17 Waco shooting is bogus, because nobody knows yet how many of the nine people killed were shot by cops.

That was the so-called Twin Peaks motorcycle gang shoot-out, where police arrested 170 people and held them with their bonds set so absurdly high that most of them were in jail for months...and then failed to indicte a single one of them. Many innocent people went to jail, lost their jobs, etc.

Most of those killed were probably shot by cops. It was not a mass shooter incident at all in my book. Shouldn't be in the tally.  I wonder how many others on the website are like that.

I expect that the McClellan County Sheriff's Office will be sued into perpetuity and end up looking really stupid before it's done.

I don't think it really matters if the mass shooting was Killed by Psycho, Killed by Religious Fanatic or Killed by Cop.  If there are lots of dead people with bullets in them, that is a mass shooting event.

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Re: Another Day Another Shooter
« Reply #35 on: December 05, 2015, 09:11:41 PM »
Plenty of ammunition (forgive the pun) for the FSoA propaganda machine to shoot the American psyche with double rounds of fear.  It seems with our population size and the ubiquity of American guns we have whack jobs expressing frustration by gun trigger all the time.  Media can ignore it as they often do or they can whip up heart pounding public excitement reporting shootings in a frenzy of drama.  It all depends on the daily memo from their puppet masters.

The orchestra of the Zeitgeist can be clearly heard.  But who tells them what music to play.  Is there more we don't know?  The San Bernardino tragedy is exactly what an 'engender American hatred for Moslems' agenda would want.  Too good to be true from that point of view.  Is there more we don't know?  Was more than sugar put into the shooters coffee?  What reality were they spoon fed on their phones?

Or are they just crazy weeds in the human garden who never should have been born.  Will we ever know?  Can we ever know?  The power to electronically control the reality of both the masses and individuals within the body of the masses is here.  Jay Gould a notorious robber baron infamously said more than a hundred years ago:

“I can hire one half of the working class to kill the other half.”

He believed he had that much power,  history shows that he did.  He had money and now with electronic tentacles reaching into all lives, the power of the powerful is amplified a hundred times.  Perhaps there is irony in Gould's quote for the message sent by mass media grooms copycat whack jobs under an incessant reporting of people now getting fifteen minutes of fame by shooting the place up.

Frustrated, then you too can have your fifteen minutes.  In the mind of some crazies somewhere this thought must lurk.  Under the right circumstances the thought cultivates and grows.

News reports, advertisements sell products, and public attitudes are shaped.  The circle goes around and the orchestra of the Zeitgeist is clearly heard.




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There Been More Mass Shootings Under Obama than the Four Prior Combined
« Reply #36 on: December 06, 2015, 04:01:20 AM »
Why Have There Been More Mass Shootings Under Obama than the Four Previous Presidents Combined?

     We live in a world of short-term memories and long-term memory deficiencies. If the 24-hour news cycle was any indication, Americans appear to be bouncing from one catastrophic mass shooting to the next, with hardly any breathing room. Like this is just a regular occurrence America has learned to endure because… guns. It’s the prevalence of firearms in the hands of the people, the anti-gunners say. Calls to limit, rewrite, redefine, or outright dispose of the 2nd Amendment are rampant.

But no one is looking at the data. If they did, they would realize something is really, really, really wrong here.

No, there haven’t always been so many mass shootings. It hasn’t always been this way. Mass shootings have skyrocketed in this country just in the last seven years under President Obama.

The following was compiled using the database over at Mother Jones on mass shootings in the U.S. from 1982—2015, up to and including the shooting at Umpqua Community College in Oregon on October 1st, 2015. It also includes the Wikipedia lists for mass shootings in the United States by year and postal killings in the U.S.

The following analysis considers the FBI’s definition of a mass murder, which is defined as “a number of murders (four or more) occurring during the same incident, with no distinctive time period between the murders”.

When all incidents where four or more people were shot in a single event are broken out by president going back to Reagan (considering the database only stretches back to 1982), there just so happens to have been a startling increase in mass shootings since Obama, the most pro-gun control president America has had in modern history, took office.

    Mass Shootings under the Last Five Presidents

    Ronald Reagan: 1981-1989 (8 years) 11 mass shootings
    Incidents with 8 or more deaths = 5

    George H. W. Bush: 1989-1993 (4 years) 12 mass murders
    Incidents with 8 or more deaths = 3

    Bill Clinton: 1993-2001 (8 years) 23 mass murders
    Incidents with 8 or more deaths = 4

    George W. Bush: 2001-2009 (8 years) 20 mass murders
    Incidents with 8 or more deaths = 5

    Barrack H. Obama: 2009-2015 (in 7th year) 162 mass murders
    Incidents with 8 or more deaths = 18

Look at the difference between all other presidents and Barack Obama.

What that looks like on a chart:

                                             

Notice anything here? We’re talking about a more than six-fold increase from the number of mass shootings in the eight years Bush Jr. was president compared to the last seven years under Obama, and his 2nd term isn’t even up yet!

Not only that, but the number of mass shootings where the shooter killed eight or more people has also increased rather significantly:

                                             
                                           


What is going on here?

Obviously this isn’t so easily simplified as more guns in the hands of more crazy people, the way the media likes to spin it. We have more gun laws now than ever before. Less types of guns are legally available to the average citizen than ever before. We also have more “gun-free zones,” zones where, just by the way, most of these shootings happen (because mass shooters do not follow laws or care about zones, obviously). So that’s not it.

We have debated whether or not antidepressant medications are playing a role in these events. Even a cursory glance at the SSRI stories school shootings database would suggest there is some substantial evidence behind this theory. We know that many of these mass shooters were either on psychotropic medications at the time of the shooting, or withdrawing from them.

However, Prozac was approved for use in the United States back in 1987. Antidepressant medications have been around and in widespread use in America for decades now. That factor alone cannot entirely explain all these mass shootings recently.

Not to mention that five out of the 12 deadliest mass shootings in American history have happened not just since Barack Obama became president, but just under his first term as president alone. That’s nearly half.

Something else is going on here.

So… what is it?

After the controversial Sandy Hook shooting, Obama passed 23 gun control executive orders. He continually says wants to do more and he’s frustrated with how limited his powers as mere president are. He continually mentions wishing America’s gun control mirrored that of the UK and Australia, two countries that passed strict, sweeping gun bans following what many have called single mass shooting false flag events which happened just weeks apart in March and April 1996.

Speaking of Australia’s gun control laws after the suspicious Charleston shooting, Obama said:

    “It was just so shocking the entire country said, ‘Well, we’re going to completely change our gun laws’, and they did. And it hasn’t happened since,” Obama said, discussing the shooting deaths of nine people at a historic black church in Charleston last week.

The suspicious April 1999 mass shooting at Columbine High School didn’t accomplish nearly the same gun control implementation here in America, although it did happen under another highly pro-gun control president, Bill Clinton. Perhaps one false flag just isn’t enough in a country that has been built upon a Constitution with a Bill of Rights and a 2nd Amendment right to keep and bear arms. Perhaps it can only be killed death-by-a-thousand-cuts style.

Now Obama says gun control will be his #1 top issue of focus for the last year of his final term as president.

He says his biggest frustration has been his inability to pass more gun control legislation.

He condemns these “routine” events and calls for more gun control each time another one happens. After the recent Planned Parenthood shooting, he said, “we can’t let this become the new normal… enough is enough.”

But when did it become the new normal? While the 2nd Amendment continues to be attacked each and every time another mass shooting occurs, just realize something: these events were never this “routine” until Obama became president.

http://truthstreammedia.com/2015/12/02/why-have-there-been-more-mass-shootings-under-obama-than-the-four-previous-presidents-combined/ :icon_study:


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« Reply #37 on: December 06, 2015, 10:17:39 AM »
I've been considering this myself. Why are there more and more shooters coming out of the woodwork now everywhere you look?

Could be what the article is implying, which (as I understand this author to mean) that it's some kind of deliberate government conspiracy to take away our self-defense rights. But I really doubt it, for several reasons. The biggest reason is that I don't think the government is good enough technically to brainwash that many people, from disparate backgrounds and going off for different reasons (in their own minds, anyway) and then keep the whole thing secret. The shooters who aren't killed end up in the criminal justice system, and they are examined under a behavioral microscope. If it was straight-up brainwashing, it would be revealed.

I think it's more likely that we're seeing the results of collapse played out in the psyches of a variety of fucked up individuals, all of whom are (a) psychologically damaged people, (b) under the influence of some kind of erroneous bullshit (having bought into some false ideology whether it be racism, religious zealotry, or even some kind of Thelma and Louise romanticizing of "going out with a statement.".)

We have these norms, mores, societal memes, drilled into us by two generations of bad meta-programming through mass media. They are demonstrably false now, and the average person goes through life as a series of increasing disappointments and constant struggle to make it in a world that offers less and less while insisting one should be getting more and more.

To me that's a recipe for flipping out.
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« Reply #38 on: December 06, 2015, 03:47:35 PM »
I agree with your recipes for flipping out but I don't agree about this.  I have seen what they can do.

The biggest reason is that I don't think the government is good enough technically to brainwash that many people, from disparate backgrounds and going off for different reasons (in their own minds, anyway) and then keep the whole thing secret.

Methinks you do not appreciate the power of selectively re-targeting mass media through the phone and internet at carefully selected targeted individuals.  Disparate backgrounds is hardly an obstacle when one has the biggest database in the world.  One can pick and choose.  They can prune unpromising experiments while cultivating branches of investigation likely to bear fruit with an essentially infinite budget. 

How do you know that the news articles you see posted at the diner are the same ones I see and that upstream from us one of us is not being manipulated.  They control the horizontal and the vertical of our digital experience far more than is commonly suspected and 'they' most certainly do exist.

The beauty of manipulation through internet and phone is the privacy of the experience.  Those targeted are unaware of what is going on.  When they view a chunk of programming media they don't know it.  Even if they did there is no way to prove it.  Digital text and images evaporate as soon as the power goes out.  The strings of the puppet masters vanish.

Find the right person with an agenda and a madman can easily be produced and it will all be done in complete secrecy.  Full surveillance of a targeted individual is a powerful thing.  The feedback surveillance gives results in total control.  'Accidental' meetings can be arranged.

societal memes, drilled into us by two generations of bad meta-programming

An agency that experimented with LSD two generations ago as a means of controlling people will know exactly what buttons to push.  Three years worth of work on a particular group of targeted individuals can result in a Paris bombing tragedy.  Perhaps a Boston bombing horror might only take a couple of years of determined work.  It is not inconceivable that this could be done by the same government which invaded Grenada and Panama for covert reasons of which the public is still oblivious.  Death does not bother them.

The database is rife with subjects to be played.  The technology is there.  The motivation is there.  The funding is there.  The lack of ethics is there.  I believe it is being done because I have seen what they can do and I once was told something that my ears should never have heard.
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Re: Another Day Another Shooter
« Reply #39 on: December 06, 2015, 04:08:56 PM »
Have you tried gluing a hair across the door jamb to make sure your room isn't being searched while you're out?

Just kidding. I don't doubt the part about the intent or the lack of ethics. You're probably right. I'm just making guesses.

Not sure LSD was ever really that good at doing the kind of thing you're talking about though. My experience there was that once you learned to maintain while you were tripping, it actually made you fairly resistant to any kind of mental weirdness. Maybe that should be filed under "only the strong survive", dunno.  Other drugs are better at inducing psychotic behavior. PCP comes to mind. Or a  few days of being awake 24/7 on meth.

(I was a teenage psychonaut.)
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Re: Another Day Another Shooter
« Reply #40 on: December 06, 2015, 04:22:58 PM »
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Methinks you do not appreciate the power of selectively re-targeting mass media through the phone and internet at carefully selected targeted individuals.  Disparate backgrounds is hardly an obstacle when one has the biggest database in the world.  One can pick and choose.  They can prune unpromising experiments while cultivating branches of investigation likely to bear fruit with an essentially infinite budget.
 

Google and Facebook. to name just a few have been doing this for years.

There is little doubt in my mind we have all been graded and placed into groups regarding danger, intelligence, awareness, etc.

It's the reason Paris was surely FF.


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« Reply #41 on: December 06, 2015, 04:33:12 PM »
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Find the right person with an agenda and a madman can easily be produced and it will all be done in complete secrecy.
Holmes the perfect example of such, need not have to have an agenda though IMO. Super advanced hypnosis is my bet, but who knows.  :dontknow:

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« Reply #42 on: December 06, 2015, 04:37:12 PM »
Have you tried gluing a hair across the door jamb to make sure your room isn't being searched while you're out?

Oh, I think K-Dog has moved past that point.



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My experience there was that once you learned to maintain while you were tripping, it actually made you fairly resistant to any kind of mental weirdness.

My experience is that dopers are fun to watch, but best avoided.
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« Reply #43 on: December 06, 2015, 09:54:14 PM »
Have you tried gluing a hair across the door jamb to make sure your room isn't being searched while you're out?

Think how easy it would be to use a phone or laptop and make someone paranoid enough to use hairs across door jambs.  A unsuspecting subject could be made that paranoid within hours.  Simply rewinding a Netlflix video remotely such as "Trudell" to the part where the FBI kills his family and then play with the remote control by jumping back and forth so the subject (targeted individual) can't watch the video that night and knows his video is being remotely controlled will do the trick.



If the subject talks to anyone about it they will be offered a tinfoil hat.



They try and notify media and are told to send an email but strange behavior such as having sent an email message and seen it immediately deleted before their eyes tells them email can't be trusted.  They want to report on illegal government activity but that requires an email and their email accounts are all being watched and controlled by the government.  A situation that can be referred to as 'no win'.

Think how easy it would be to make someone paranoid.  There is really nothing to it and it can be done to anyone.

The subject will spend some time wanting to crawl out of his skin, guaranteed.  And that can be just the beginning of fun and games as our now disturbed and crazed subject goes to Google to get answers.  Answers the controlling mother ship wants the subject to see.  Fake websites and hand picked news stories fill search results on their screen.

Enter a few staged actors for specially crafted vignettes.  Dump a huge pile of leaves on the targeted individuals car hood to let them know someone is watching.

It would be enough to make an F.B.I. agent cum in his pants and I think some have.

The only danger is if the hand is overplayed and our subject being exceptionally smart figures out what is going on.  Then they will laugh at tinfoil hat jokes and become resistant to control.  They might even start writing a lot.

Ha Ha

I started out to make a simple point of how easy it would be to make someone paranoid but the truth is once targeted, a targeted individual is going to get the royal treatment.  It is like winning the lotto.  They are originally targeted for a reason.  A serious reason.  Perhaps they have discovered that Government Agents are operating on blogs such as this to influence public opinion.  Pay checks are involved.  Tax forms will be reviewed and credit cards cancelled before this disease runs its course.

Making someone paranoid would be a way to keep a potential whistle-blower in line.  Cultivation of a domestic terrorist would be done differently and would take a bit longer.
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Re: Another Day Another Shooter
« Reply #44 on: December 06, 2015, 10:07:18 PM »
Think how easy it would be to make someone paranoid.  There is really nothing to it and it can be done to anyone.

Not to me!  LOL.

The trick here is to not worry about getting spied on.  Worst case scenario the NSA shows up at the digs and whisks me off to GITMO.  If that happens, I win.  I got them worried enough they had to get rid of me.  So far, I have not been that successful though.

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