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Re: Toronto van: Ten dead and 15 injured as pedestrians are hit
« Reply #360 on: May 21, 2018, 02:43:50 PM »

Check this out:

http://haenfler.sites.grinnell.edu/subcultures-and-scenes/incels/

An excerpt:

Feminism has afforded women more rights and agency over the past several decades. However, from feminism’s beginnings, certain groups of men have been arguing that maybe men, not women, are society’s real victims (Gilmore 2001). The men’s rights movement (MRM) is inherently reactionary in nature, arguing concepts like reverse sexism. Men’s rights activists (MRAs) have formed coalitions around issues such as false rape accusations, circumcision, custody battles, and abortion. Historically, MRM has been a relatively fringe movement, but it has proliferated recently due to the Internet’s unprecedented capability to collect like-minded individuals in a forum to discuss their perceived grievances on a large scale. Welcome to the Manosphere, a diffuse online network of blogs, subreddits, Facebook groups, forums, and more dedicated to rejecting feminism in favor of “men’s rights.” Thanks to the Internet, the Manosphere is global, and most members never meet each other, but it is massive and rapidly growing.

The Grinnell study adds that many in the Incel Movement subreddit were also active in alt-right pages such as “The Red Pill,” “Mens Rights” and “Men Going Their Own Way.” A Quartz piece included words such as “femoids” and “Chad” as being part of a new alt-right dictionary. That same article mentions that some on the subreddit referred to Elliot Rodger as “Saint Elliot” because he “martyred” himself for the Incel cause.


It seems the INTERNET is allowing broken people to come together and cultivate their pain and maladjustments together.  One big fucked up family.  It seems 'Incels' nickname everything and everyone so they don't have to take responsibility for anything.


Come on down! Everyone's a victim!!!

All because a handful of right wing snowflakes could't figure out how to get laid.

Now I'm having a deja vu: we've had this conversation before. This is where I make the point about listening and getting to know the girl gets the panties off, and RE replies with his stories of plying ballerinas with coke, and how listening is bullshit, and how women are all bimbos, and how any man who has one is pussy-whipped.

I remember now.

Now we're in re-runs.


Interesting link. Thanks.

As it turns out:

The Texas school rampage came a week after girl rejected suspect, her mom says.


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Sadie Baze says she keeps expecting her daughter to walk into the house, but Shana Fisher was killed Friday, one of 10 people gunned down at her high school.

"She's never going to walk through the front door again," Baze said.

Dimitrios Pagourtzis, had been making advances toward Shana, who just turned 16, for the past four months, asking her to date him.
A week ago, during class, Shana stood up and told Pagourtzis she wouldn't go out with him, the mother said.

He had gone out with her friend previously and so Pagourtzis was 'off limits' to her.  She told him so in public and humiliated him.  By the rules of the sisterhood of course.  Had she wanted too date him she would have asked her friend first or made a new rule workaround instead of most probably using her sisterhood morality as an excuse.

All because a handful of right wing snowflakes could't figure out how to get laid.

As Eddie is adroitly pointing out focusing on the guns is only paying attention to the symptom and not the disease.  Kunstler did a great job doing the same thing today.  So if guns are not new and sex is not new what is the new secret sauce that produces school shootings from the dysfunctional ingredients?

Remembering that criminal activity is often a copycat phenomena.  Crazies on autopilot following a path already laid out.  So it was with skyjackings.  Once the first plane was hijacked dozens followed.  Same things with vans and trucks.  The first truck mass killing was in France and now many others have now followed that example all over the world.  From this point of view focusing on guns is indeed part of the answer.  More than two sides to this coin!

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Re: Toronto van: Ten dead and 15 injured as pedestrians are hit
« Reply #361 on: May 21, 2018, 06:24:24 PM »

Check this out:

http://haenfler.sites.grinnell.edu/subcultures-and-scenes/incels/

//He had gone out with her friend previously and so Pagourtzis was 'off limits' to her.  She told him so in public and humiliated him.  By the rules of the sisterhood of course.  Had she wanted too date him she would have asked her friend first or made a new rule workaround instead of most probably using her sisterhood morality as an excuse.

All because a handful of right wing snowflakes could't figure out how to get laid.

Evan McMullin was on Bill Maher the other night as the conversation turned to these "intel" types who demand the government provide them with women for sex, like so much government cheese. McMullin's prescription for them was to "brush their teeth, put on a clean shirt, and get on out there" like he and every other generation of geeky, pimple faced fuckwits,like him (and me) did back in the day.

The Grinnell site (link above) is a treasure trove of info about this particular dysfunction.

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The men’s rights movement (MRM) is inherently reactionary in nature, arguing concepts like reverse sexism. Men’s rights activists (MRAs) have formed coalitions around issues such as false rape accusations, circumcision, custody battles, and abortion. Historically, MRM has been a relatively fringe movement, but it has proliferated recently due to the Internet’s unprecedented capability to collect like-minded individuals in a forum to discuss their perceived grievances on a large scale. Welcome to the Manosphere, a diffuse online network of blogs, subreddits, Facebook groups, forums, and more dedicated to rejecting feminism in favor of “men’s rights.” Thanks to the Internet, the Manosphere is global, and most members never meet each other, but it is massive and rapidly growing

We live in an age where the aberrant fringe is thrust into the mainstream via the Koch's favorite battering-ram, the Lout-in-Chief. These people want a future that looks like, "The Handmaid's Tale." Not on my watch.
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"Active shooter" at La Plaza Mall in McAllen, Texas, authorities say
« Reply #362 on: July 28, 2018, 11:45:48 AM »
Texas.  Shooter Capital of the World!  How many do you think this one will knock out?

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S News July 28, 2018, 2:32 PM
"Active shooter" at La Plaza Mall in McAllen, Texas, authorities say

Authorities say there is an active shooter at La Plaza Mall in McAllen, Texas.

"Active Shooter at the McAllen Plaza Mall Stay Away from the area! Several law enforcement agencies heading to the scene," Hidalgo County Constable Precinct 4 posted on Facebook.

CBS News affiliate KGBT said officers from the McAllen Police Department and personnel from the Hidalgo County Sheriff's Office and the Texas Department of Public Safety were at the scene.

Videos posted on social media by mall goers showed dozens of people milling around outside the mall as police arrived on the scene.

Several people on twitter reported seeing five men in custody and suggested the incident began as an attempted robbery at a business in the mall. Police have yet to confirm any details of the incident.

This is a developing story and will be updated.
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Re: Another Day Another Shooter
« Reply #363 on: July 28, 2018, 02:35:06 PM »
McALLEN, Texas (AP) - Glass cases being smashed during an attempted robbery Saturday at a jewelry store in a popular Texas mall were misconstrued as gunfire and sent people running for the exits, authorities and witnesses said.

All known suspects in the attempted robbery at the La Plaza Mall in McAllen were taken into custody, the city's police chief, Victor Rodriguez, said in a statement that the city government posted on Twitter.

Madeline Madden, a 17-year-old from McAllen, told The Monitor of McAllen that she was inside Glitz and Glamour, a boutique just across from the mall, when she saw people rush out of the mall and into the parking lot.

She said one frightened couple ran into the boutique seeking safety.

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« Reply #364 on: September 21, 2018, 12:03:29 AM »
A good day to Go Postal apparently.

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5 victims - including child - reported in Midland Ave. shooting in Syracuse
Updated 7:59 PM; Posted 5:34 PM


Gallery: Shooting with multiple victims on Midland Ave in Syracuse
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Syracuse, N.Y. --Five people, including a child, have been shot on Midland Avenue Thursday night, according to Syracuse police

Syracuse police shortly after 11 p.m. said that five people including an 8-year-old girl were injured in the shooting at 1315-17 Midland Ave. Police expect victims will survive.

The Syracuse firefighters union and a witness originally reported seven victims including some children were involved.

Police responded to the call at 9:01 p.m., dispatch logs show.

Witnesses said they saw two or three possible shooters. One witness reported at least 10 shots near the house.
As a woman talked to a reporter, she counted off how many victims she knew.

"My daughter, my nephew, my friend, my niece and my other niece," she said, crying.

People had gathered at the house to mark the death of Richard Harris, who died in hospice care of pancreatic cancer, neighbors said.

Tammy Jamison said she was gathered for the memorial when gunshots suddenly broke out.

She didn't see the shooter or shooters but said it was not a drive-by shooting. She heard at least 15 gunshots and tried to take cover inside.

Jamison said the people who had gathered, about 50 of them, ran inside the home for cover.

"When the shooting started I ducked," she said. "What would you do?"

Multiple ambulance crews were called to the scene to take victims to Upstate University Hospital, according to dispatchers. Some left with a police escort by 9:15 p.m.

Syracuse police said they responded to several calls to the 911 center reporting that more than one person was possibly injured.

Upon arrival, officers observed a large crowd of people and located several people who had been shot, police said. Officers at the scene requested additional ambulances and officers respond to the scene.

The injured were transported to Upstate University Hospital,
police said.

Syracuse Mayor Ben Walsh and Syracuse Police Chief Frank Fowler were on the scene after 10 p.m.

The home where the shooting occurred, 1315-17 Midland Ave., is the home where Rashaad Walker Jr.'s family lived, according to witnesses and family members.

Walker, 20-months-old, was fatally shot on the afternoon of Nov. 28, 2010 in the 300 block of Coolidge Avenue.

The toddler was sitting in a car seat in a parked minivan when Saquan Evans, a reputed member of the Bricktown gang, opened fire into the vehicle in what authorities contended was an attempt to kill the child's father, a reputed member of the rival 110 gang.

Evans was sentenced to 25 years to life in prison for second-degree murder plus an additional 15 years for second-degree criminal possession of a weapon.

Outside the home is a 6-foot-tall sign with the boy's photo. On Thursday night, as police roamed around seeking witnesses, candles in front of it were lit.


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/aberdeen-shooting-maryland-rite-aid-distribution-center-suspect-snochia-moseley-today-2018-09-20/

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4 dead, including 26-year-old female suspect, in Maryland shooting


Last Updated Sep 20, 2018 8:50 PM EDT

ABERDEEN, Md. — A woman working a temporary job at a drugstore warehouse in Maryland got into an argument at work Thursday morning and began shooting colleagues, killing three before fatally turning the gun on herself, authorities and witnesses said. The incident took place at the Rite Aid distribution facility in Harford County, Maryland.

Workers at the facility described terrifying moments of "crazy" gunfire and people screaming and running in all directions after the shooting. Others said they helped the wounded, one person tying blood-soaked jeans around a man's injured leg in a bid to stop the bleeding.

The suspect was later identified as a temporary employee at the distribution center, according to Harford County Sheriff Jeffrey R. Gahler. The sheriff's office later identified her in a tweet as Snochia Moseley, 26, from Baltimore County.

"She had reported for her workday as usual, and around 9 a.m. the shooting began, striking victims both outside the business and inside the facility," Gahler said. "We do not at this time have a motive for this senseless crime."

It appears only one weapon, a handgun, was used, and no shots were fired by responding law enforcement officers, Gahler said. The shooter used a 9 mm Glock that was registered in her name, he said. He said authorities don't know her motive. She died at a hospital from a self-inflicted gunshot wound, he said.

Witnesses said they saw multiple police departments and ambulances responding, CBS Baltimore reported. The ATF and FBI also responded.

Krystal Watson, 33, said her husband, Eric, works at the facility and told her told her that the suspect had been arguing with somebody else near a time clock after a "town hall meeting."

"And she went off," she said.

"She didn't have a particular target. She was just shooting," Watson said as she drove away from a fire station where relatives tried to reunite with loved ones.
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Shirley Pollack, of Perryville, Md., reacts to a shooting with multiple victims in Perryman, Md., on Thu., Sept. 20, 2018.
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Colleen Hendrickson lives and works nearby, and she thought it was a normal day while heading to catch the bus and head to work, but then someone warned her there was an active shooting nearby.

"It's mostly warehouses in the area," she said. "It's usually just a really sleepy place."

The attack comes almost three months after a man attacked a newspaper office in Annapolis, Maryland. Five staff members were killed in that shooting. Authorities accused Jarrod W. Ramos of attacking The Capital Gazette because of a longstanding grudge against the paper.

In a tweet, Maryland Gov. Larry Hogan said his office was monitoring the situation in Aberdeen and that the state stands ready to offer any support. He called it a "horrific shooting."   

Susan Henderson, spokesman for the drugstore chain Rite Aid, said the shooting happened on the campus of a company distribution center in Aberdeen. She described it as a support facility adjacent to a larger building.

Harford County Executive Barry Glassman said that unfortunately, incidents like this are "becoming a too-often occurrence not only in Harford County but in the country."

Walter Zambrano, 64, who described himself as a worker at the distribution center, said he was in the bathroom when shooting broke out and saw nothing as he hid, frightened for his life.

The person was "shooting like crazy," Zambrano said, speaking in Spanish.

He said the gunfire seemed to go on several minutes, and when it was over he sprinted outdoors. On the way out, he said he saw a female co-worker down on the floor. The scene, he said, was one of chaos.

"Everyone was screaming, running this way and that. I didn't know which way to run," he said.

Mike Carre, an employee of a furniture logistics operation next to the distribution center, said he helped tend to a wounded man who came hobbling in, bleeding from his leg. He called 911 from a bathroom before helping colleagues wrap the man's blood-soaked jeans above his injury to cut off blood flow.

Carre said the man told him the shooter "just came in in a bad mood this morning. He said she's usually nice. But today, I guess it wasn't her day. She just came in to pick a fight with someone."

"She pulled out a gun and she just started shooting at her co-workers."

Dominique Norton, 33, of Aberdeen, endured an excruciating wait of nearly two hours to be reunited with her mother, 62-year-old warehouse worker Irene Norton. Dominique Norton said she didn't know that her mother was unharmed until she got off a bus at the fire station and they tearfully embraced.

"I busted out crying. I was relieved and shaken," she said. "I am praying for all of the victims."
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« Reply #365 on: October 28, 2018, 10:03:34 PM »
I used to live in Squirrel Hill and know this neighborhood.

Fatal shooting at Pittsburgh synagogue; multiple police officers also injured

At least three officers were wounded, according to AP. Dispatchers spoke of “bodies” multiple times on police radios and of the suspect speaking about killing Jews. Police have not confirmed the number of dead.



Pittsburgh police responding to active shooting in Squirrel Hill area

Pittsburgh police and first responders are outside a reported active shooter situation in the Squirrel Hill area.(AP)

A gunman attacked a Pittsburgh synagogue during services Saturday morning, reportedly killing at least one person and wounding several others — including police officers.

The suspect, who was in custody by noon, opened fire inside the Tree of Life Synagogue in the city’s Squirrel Hill neighborhood, according to the Associated Press.

It’s unclear how many inside were hurt, but police dispatchers mentioned multiple fatalities during the incident, as police warned residents in the neighborhood to stay indoors and shelter in place.

KDKA reported that officers confronted the suspect outside the synagogue, and three officers were wounded in a firefight.

During a standoff, the suspect spoke multiple times about killing Jews, police dispatchers said on the radio.

He surrendered to police around 11 a.m. Dispatchers said he had a pistol on his ankle and another in his waistband, and had been injured. KDKA reported that he came out crawling.

The Tree of Life synagogue is located in a leafy residential enclave near Carnegie Mellon University that has a significant Jewish population. Tree of Life’s congregants practice Conservative Judaism, a Jewish denomination that does not indicate political affiliation.

It is unclear how many were in the synagogue at the time of the shooting. According to an online calendar, there would have been a Shabbat service scheduled for 9:45 a.m. Saturday.

The synagogue’s main sanctuary, a cavernous space with soaring stained-glass windows that depict the story of Creation, can hold up to 1,250 guests, according to the Tree of Life’s website.

President Trump tweeted that he is watching the events unfolding in Pennsylvania.

"This is an absolute tragedy, Pittsburgh Governor Tom Wolf wrote on Twitter. “These senseless acts of violence are not who we are as Americans.”

This is a developing story.

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I'm quoting the above to get it in the 'another day an another shooter' thread.  I came here and realized nothing about the synagogue was here yet.  But my reason to come here was to post this video about Cesar.

The Day We Were Face to Face with Cesar Sayoc While Making Our Movie

In happier days before Cesar decided, (or someone decided for him), that he was going to be somebodies bitch.

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My crew first encountered Cesar Sayoc, the mail bomber/terrorist, 20 months ago when we went down to Melbourne, Florida, to film Trump’s first “Trump 2020 Re-election Rally” — just one month after his inauguration. My direction to my producer Basel Hamdan and our longtime collaborator Eric Weinrib was to NOT film Trump, but rather only film the people who came out to see him. My feeling was, after one month in office, we didn’t need to hear anything more from Trump’s mouth — we already knew everything we needed to know about him.

Who we needed to understand were our fellow Americans, lost souls full of anger and possible violence, easily fed a pile of lies so large and toxic that we wondered if there would ever be a chance that we could bring them back from the Dark Side.

Our footage of Mr. Sayoc would never make it into the final cut of what would be the film that is now in its last week in cinemas across America. But I’d like to share it with you, if only to give you a momentary glimpse of him in action (all are free to use this video and share it).

You’ve seen the photos of him on the news over the past couple days– a slight, normal, everyday American. But those are from before. Here with our footage I can show you what he had actually become — overdosed on steroids in what looks like some desperate attempt to hang on to what was left of his manhood. Men, people like Cesar have been led to believe, were and are under attack by the likes of Hillary and Michelle and all those “feminazis” who’ve had but one mission: political castration. The theft of power from the patriarchy that had been in place for 10,000 years. The end of men.

Here in this outtake from “Fahrenheit 11/9” is 3 minutes and 38 seconds of raw, unedited footage — and you can see what Sayoc had become by early 2017, his body grossly deformed into what he thought a man should be, muscles the size of basketballs, he’s wearing a sleeveless white T-shirt, holding a big anti-CNN sign and, along with his fellow Trumpsters, is yelling at the journalists who had gathered in the media pen. You’ll see him two or three times, each for a few seconds, but if you pause on him you will also see something profound. Underneath his threatening Hulk-like exterior, there is fear in his eyes and, for a quick moment, you can see he is already gone, a lost dog with no direction home.

What do we do with the thousands of other Cesar Sayocs? They have been told by Trump that they are at war — WAR! — against the rest of us, the vast, vast majority who believe climate change is real, who state without equivocation that women are equal citizens with an absolute right to control their own reproductive organs, who have seen how the free enterprise system is a hoax designed to destroy the middle class, and who demand that all people have a right to easily cast their votes without any interference. Cesar and his bros ARE at war, against all these things, against us, the majority, and they are at war inside of and against themselves. This is why they will lose, but not before they take a few of us with them.

Needless to say I was a bit shaken to see that Sayoc had placed a photo of me with a crosshairs target over my face on the side of his van. Over the past 15 years I have encountered men like him many times. I stopped counting the death threats long ago. I’ve been assaulted more than a half-dozen times (men with knives, clubs, hot scalding coffee thrown at my face) — and then there was the man who was making a fertilizer bomb (a la Oklahoma City) to blow up my house, only to be thwarted by his AK-47 which went off accidentally. A neighbor heard it, called the cops, and off to prison he went.

So none of this week’s abhorrence surprises me in the least—except for the fact that it is the President himself who is the “what-me?” instigator of it.

Maybe someday I’ll get a chance to sit down with Mr. Sayoc and break bread and ask him “why me?” on his van? Because of this target he put on me, the police and security people were looking on Friday to see if a package had been sent to me and, if so, is it still somewhere in the postal delivery system. So far, so good!

Today we grieve over the latest loss of life this weekend in Pittsburgh. As it was when fascism started to spread in the last century, it begins with just a few thugs committing random acts of violence against the people whom their leader has told them to hate. Yet no matter what awful events await us in the coming days or weeks, we will not be deterred from our singular mission: The electoral tsunami of voters we are bringing to the polls on November 6th to end this madness.

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How Trump’s Hateful Speech Raises the Risks of Violence
« Reply #366 on: October 29, 2018, 03:40:57 AM »
How Trump’s Hateful Speech Raises the Risks of Violence
Republicans' "whataboutism" ignores the central question.


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Package bomb sent to Democratic Representative Debbie Wasserman Schultz.

Photographer: FBI/Getty Images

Is President Donald Trump responsible, in some sense, for the mailing of bombs to Hillary Clinton and other Democratic leaders? Is he responsible, in some sense, for the slaughter at the Pittsburgh synagogue?

If we are speaking in terms of causation, the most reasonable answer to both questions, and the safest, is: We don’t really know. More specifically, we don’t know whether these particular crimes would have occurred in the absence of Trump’s hateful and vicious rhetoric (including his enthusiasm for the despicable cry, “Lock her up!”).

But it’s also safe, and plenty reasonable, to insist that across the American population, hateful and vicious rhetoric from the president of the United States is bound to increase risks of violence. Because of that rhetoric, the likelihood of this kind of violence is greater than it would otherwise be. The president is responsible for elevating the risk that people will try to kill Democrats and others seen by some of his followers as “enemies of the people” (including journalists and Jews).

To see why, we should investigate one of the most striking findings in modern social psychology that has been replicated on dozens of occasions. It goes by the name of “group polarization.”

The basic idea is that when people are listening and talking to one another, they tend to end up in a more extreme position in the same direction of the views with which they began. Groups of like-minded people can become radicalized.

A little over a decade ago, I was involved in a study of group polarization in politics. We asked left-of-center groups to deliberate about three issues: same-sex unions, climate change and affirmative action. We asked right-of-center groups to do the same thing.

The results were straightforward. On all three issues, the left-wing groups ended up marching to the left, and the right-wing groups ended up marching to the right.

Trump is a one-man group polarization machine. At his speeches and online, he convenes like-minded people and gets them enraged. Those who criticize him are not critics; they are enemies.

If the president says that Hillary Clinton committed a crime, it is only natural for members of his audience, listening and talking with one another, to conclude that she should be locked up. And if “Lock her up!” becomes a standard cry, it is inevitable that some will progress to, “Kill her.”

Indeed they have, not only privately but also in public. For example, New Hampshire State Representative Al Baldasaro, a Trump supporter, said in a radio interview that “Clinton should be put in the firing line and shot for treason.” Roger Stone, a Trump adviser, tweeted, “Hillary must be brought to justice — arrested, tried and executed for murder.”

If people are talking that way, there is an elevated risk that sooner or later, someone is actually going to try to kill her – and others whom the president treats as enemies of the people.

The problem is compounded by the contrast between the president’s demeanor in two different situations: when he is speaking of national unity and when he is on the attack against his supposed enemies.

When he speaks of unity, he seems scripted and insincere. He reads from a text. He is working. When he is on the attack, he is in his element. He needs no text. He is having fun. Everyone can see that.

Responding to the possible connection between Trump’s despicable rhetoric and the recent crimes, some Republicans have been engaging in a form of “whataboutism,” pointing to what they see as abhorrent words and actions from Democrats. Let’s assume (in my view wrongly) that some Democrats have been equally willing to speak in an incendiary way.

So what? This is not some kind of competition. The question is not who started it or who’s worse. The question is whether the president of the United States has been elevating the risk of murder. The answer is clear: Absolutely.

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« Reply #367 on: November 08, 2018, 08:09:54 AM »


Gunman kills 12 at Thousand Oaks bar packed with college students.  No details yet.  It happened late last night.

I suspect this sick puppy is going to turn out to have been like the Toronto INCEL fool because of the choice of where to do the shooting.  Another explanation of picking his location could be some weird idolization of the Las Vegas shooter.
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Re: Another Day Another Shooter
« Reply #368 on: November 08, 2018, 08:20:32 AM »
Ughh. More death.
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« Reply #369 on: November 08, 2018, 08:35:49 AM »
28 year old ex-marine with lots of tattoos. Sounds like a random malcontent with a Glock.
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Re: Another Day Another Shooter
« Reply #370 on: November 08, 2018, 08:48:29 AM »
28 year old ex-marine with lots of tattoos. Sounds like a random malcontent with a Glock.

Lived with his mother and may have driven her car to the shooting.  He may be 'INCEL'.

This could be a sick game.  A macabre version of pin the tail on the donkey.
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Re: Another Day Another Shooter
« Reply #371 on: November 08, 2018, 11:03:11 AM »
Ughh. More death.

I see Dead People.  I have been cataloging shooters since 2008, I ran a thread on the Peak Oil forum dedicated to this topic.  Definitely picking up speed now.  Count on many more to come, despite what collapse deniers like Watson pitch out.


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What we know about the massacre at Borderline Bar and Grill
« Reply #372 on: November 08, 2018, 11:14:24 AM »
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Thousand Oaks shooting: What we know about the massacre at Borderline Bar and Grill
The shooter was identified as 28-year-old Ian David Long, a former Marine who was deployed in Afghanistan.


People arrive to a family assistance and reunification center following a mass shooting at the Borderline Bar and Grill on Nov. 8, 2018 in Thousand Oaks, California.David McNew / Getty Images

Nov. 8, 2018 / 8:56 AM AKST / Updated 9:44 AM AKST
By Minyvonne Burke

A mass shooting at a popular California bar late Wednesday left a dozen people dead, including a 29-year veteran Ventura County sheriff sergeant who was shot when he entered the venue to confront the gunman. The shooting took place at Borderline Bar and Grill in Thousand Oaks, about 40 miles west of Los Angeles, during a college night for people 18 and older.

The shooting is said to be the 307th mass shooting in the United States this year, according to the Gun Violence Archive.
Where did the shooting happen?

The shooting happened around 11:20 p.m. (2:20 a.m. ET) at Borderline Bar and Grill, a popular venue for country music lovers. The bar boasts that it was named Ventura County’s Largest Country Dance Hall & Live Music Venue for over 25 years and has a 2,500 square feet of wide-open dance floor.

Big-name stars like The Beach Boys, Mark Chestnutt, Collin Raye and Lee Brice have performed at the venue, which opened in Malibu, California in the late 1980s before relocating to Thousand Oaks in 1993.

The bar hosts a "college country night" every Wednesday for people 18 and older, according to its website. Pepperdine University in Malibu tweeted that several of its students were at the bar at the time of the shooting, but could not confirm if they were among those killed or injured.
Who is the gunman?

Ventura County Sheriff Geoff Dean identified the suspected shooter as 28-year-old Ian David Long, who was a machine gunner in the Marines and served from 2008 to 2013.

During his time in the military, Long, who was a corporal, was deployed in Afghanistan and received multiple awards including Marine Corps Good Conduct Medal, Sea Service Deployment Ribbon, an Afghanistan Campaign Medal, a Global War on Terrorism Service Medal and a National Defense Service Medal.

Sergeant Eric Buschow, with the Ventura County Sheriff's Office, said on MSNBC that Long also served in the reserves.


Ian David Long, 28, who is a veteran of the Marines,
has been identified as the shooter at Borderline Bar
and Grill in Thousand Oaks, California.via Facebook


Long was found dead inside Borderline Bar and Grill from a gunshot wound, authorities said. Dean said it's believed it self-inflicted, but it's still being investigated.

Long was dressed in all black when he stormed into the venue and several witnesses told authorities that they saw smoke bombs going off inside the bar, but officials have not confirmed this.

Dean said the department had several previous interactions with Long for minor events such as a traffic accident. In 2015, Long was the victim of battery at a different bar in Thousand Oaks.

In April, deputies were called to his home in April by family members who were concerned about the "behavior that he exhibited," Buschow said. Dean said during the news conference that Long was acting erratically and a crisis intervention team was called. Authorities eventually cleared Long and determined that a psychiatric hold was not necessary.
What kind of gun was used?

Authorities said they believe Long used a single .45 caliber Glock 21 handgun to carry out the attack. Dean said the gun is designed to hold 10 rounds and one in the chamber, but it could have held more because it was fitted with an extended magazine.

Former New York Police Department Commissioner Bill Bratton, an MSNBC contributor, said the extended magazine could have given Long 30 shots and possibly more if he reloaded.

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"We do not know at this time how many rounds were actually in the weapon or how many rounds the magazine could actually hold because it's still being processed as part of the evidence," Dean said.
Who are the victims?

The sheriff's department is still working to identify those killed in the shooting. Several hundred people were inside the venue when gunfire erupted. Dean described the incident as a "tragic, tragic situation."

Authorities confirmed Thursday that Sgt. Ron Helus, 54, was as a victim of the shooting.

Helus, along with a colleague from the California Highway Patrol, arrived at the bar within three minutes of reports of shots being fired, Dean said. Helus entered the bar to confront the gunman, while the patrol officer watched the perimeter, according to officials.


Ventura County officer Sgt. Ron Helus.
Santa Barbara County Sheriff


Helus was struck multiple times, and was dragged out of the line of fire by the patrol officer. Helus, who had a wife and son, died from his injuries in the hospital hours later. Dean said Helus was about a year from retiring from the department. He was hailed a hero for his quick actions.

“Ron was a great guy," Dean said during Thursday's news conference. "Hearts are broken all over."

Cody Coffman, 22, was also identified as another victim by his father, Jason.

Jason Coffman told reporters that his son was talking to recruiters about joining the army and was eagerly awaiting the birth of his first sister later this month.

To escape the gunfire, officials said bar-goers hid in bathrooms and in the venue's attic. Witnesses told authorities that some people used bar stools and chairs to smash the windows so they could flee. Authorities have said at least 10 people were injured.
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Re: Another Day Another Shooter
« Reply #373 on: November 08, 2018, 01:42:16 PM »
PTSD?
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Re: Another Day Another Shooter
« Reply #374 on: November 08, 2018, 02:17:46 PM »
PTSD?

Probably this had a good deal to do with it, but unless we get more information about his life and where he was "at" psychologically speaking, it's a bit of a reach to call this a PTSD effect quid pro quo.

I want to know what his economic condition was like in the last few months prior to the shoot-em-up.  Was he able to pay his rent and credit card bills?  Also what sort of love life did he have?  Was he jilted by a girlfriend recently?  Did he have any history of sociopathic behavior in childhood, like killing cats or something?

Most probably he was a soft mind that was destroyed by his experience in Afghanistan in service to Capitalism, but you just can't know this for certain without a complete understanding of the rest of his life.

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