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Re: Another Day Another Shooter
« Reply #330 on: March 26, 2018, 10:32:44 PM »

But that's what Bernie Sanders is for. The real lefties. Not many left.

Yes, that is the truth.  Currently playing in Washington is Return of the NeoCon.  But Dems with identity politics can turn one group against another at will and the NeoLiberal Dem core is doing exactly that.  The core in both parties is moneyed and that controls their actions.  Now money wants war.

Bernie was shut down.

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Re: Another Day Another Shooter
« Reply #331 on: March 27, 2018, 05:21:44 AM »

FWIW I tried to pick up my new shotgun at Cabela's yesterday and I didn't pass the FBI background check, at least the automated online version. I expect to be cleared as soon as a human looks at my application, which might take several days. But they are being careful, apparently.

Eddie, This is a serious question.  Do you think giving GW Bush the finger in 2004 would sink an FBI application if I made one?

Middle finger no. Index finger yes.

Seriously, I doubt it. Shooting a politician the finger is protected speech, imho. It wouldn't be defensible to refuse you for that.
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Re: Ex-Supreme John Paul Stevens Calls for 2nd Amendment Repeal
« Reply #332 on: March 27, 2018, 05:43:09 AM »
If you needed proof that sentiment on gun rights is changing, here it is.

John Paul Stevens: Repeal the Second Amendment


Rarely in my lifetime have I seen the type of civic engagement schoolchildren and their supporters demonstrated in Washington and other major cities throughout the country this past Saturday. These demonstrations demand our respect. They reveal the broad public support for legislation to minimize the risk of mass killings of schoolchildren and others in our society.

That support is a clear sign to lawmakers to enact legislation prohibiting civilian ownership of semiautomatic weapons, increasing the minimum age to buy a gun from 18 to 21 years old, and establishing more comprehensive background checks on all purchasers of firearms. But the demonstrators should seek more effective and more lasting reform. They should demand a repeal of the Second Amendment.

Concern that a national standing army might pose a threat to the security of the separate states led to the adoption of that amendment, which provides that “a well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.” Today that concern is a relic of the 18th century.

For over 200 years after the adoption of the Second Amendment, it was uniformly understood as not placing any limit on either federal or state authority to enact gun control legislation. In 1939 the Supreme Court unanimously held that Congress could prohibit the possession of a sawed-off shotgun because that weapon had no reasonable relation to the preservation or efficiency of a “well regulated militia.”

During the years when Warren Burger was our chief justice, from 1969 to 1986, no judge, federal or state, as far as I am aware, expressed any doubt as to the limited coverage of that amendment. When organizations like the National Rifle Association disagreed with that position and began their campaign claiming that federal regulation of firearms curtailed Second Amendment rights, Chief Justice Burger publicly characterized the N.R.A. as perpetrating “one of the greatest pieces of fraud, I repeat the word fraud, on the American public by special interest groups that I have ever seen in my lifetime.”

In 2008, the Supreme Court overturned Chief Justice Burger’s and others’ long-settled understanding of the Second Amendment’s limited reach by ruling, in District of Columbia v. Heller, that there was an individual right to bear arms. I was among the four dissenters.

That decision — which I remain convinced was wrong and certainly was debatable — has provided the N.R.A. with a propaganda weapon of immense power. Overturning that decision via a constitutional amendment to get rid of the Second Amendment would be simple and would do more to weaken the N.R.A.’s ability to stymie legislative debate and block constructive gun control legislation than any other available option.

That simple but dramatic action would move Saturday’s marchers closer to their objective than any other possible reform. It would eliminate the only legal rule that protects sellers of firearms in the United States — unlike every other market in the world. It would make our schoolchildren safer than they have been since 2008 and honor the memories of the many, indeed far too many, victims of recent gun violence.

John Paul Stevens is a retired associate justice of the United States Supreme Court.
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🔫 Gun Rights Advocates Gather Across The U.S.
« Reply #333 on: April 14, 2018, 08:10:56 PM »
The NRA mobilizes the troops!


Gun Rights Advocates Gather Across The U.S.

April 14, 20188:27 PM ET
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Activists with the National Constitutional Coalition of Patriotic Americans march in Albany, N.Y. The organization spread the word about coordinated gun rights rallies in state capitols across the U.S.
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Gun rights demonstrators rallied at state capitols across the U.S. Saturday to show support for gun ownership. A group called The National Constitutional Coalition of Patriotic Americans created Facebook events for pro-gun gatherings in all 50 states, and its co-founder David Clayton told the Associated Press that organizers secured permits for rallies in 45 states. It has been three weeks since Parkland, Fla. high school students and their allies organized a day of public rallies and marches to push for more gun regulation.
Illustrated Scenes From The 'March For Our Lives'
Illustrated Scenes From The 'March For Our Lives'

A statement on the National Constitutional Coalition of Patriotic Americans' website announcing the events frames the day of action as a show of support for the Second Amendment and the Constitution. It also alludes to political debates about gun violence and mass shootings:

    "Modern thinkers feel the need to strip away our natural born right to self-protection by limiting the available weapons that are at our disposal. They blame mental illness without documentation. They blame everything except the sole responsible party, the person involved in the action."

Another group publicizing the events on social media was Oath Keepers. According to the organization's website, Oath Keepers is "a non-partisan association of current and formerly serving military, police, and first responders, who pledge to fulfill the oath all military and police take to 'defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic.'" The Southern Poverty Law Center, which tracks the activity of far-right groups in the U.S., calls Oath Keepers "one of the largest radical anti-government groups in the U.S. today."

A man participates in the rally in Indianapolis, Ind.
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Clayton told The Chicago Tribune that though carrying unloaded guns, when legal, was encouraged, the marches were meant to be nonviolent:

    "This is a very peaceful approach to a show of force," Clayton said. "What that means is we're not going to go there looking for a fight. We're saying, 'Look at all the people gathered here. We have a voice too.'"

Associated Press reporters counted about 100 people at the event in Cheyenne, Wyo., more than 400 at the event in Dover, Del. and more than 135 people at the event in Atlanta, Ga. Organizers of the event in Augusta, Maine told the Associated Press about 800 people showed up there.

Joe Dobbins of Hartford, Maine, wore a cut-out of an AR-10 tactical rifle with the words "Black Guns Matter" on it to the gun rights rally in Augusta, Maine on Saturday.
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Corey Stewart, a Republican who is now making his second run for Senate in Virginia, spoke at the event in Richmond, Va. He told NPR that though he hasn't heard an official count, he estimates that about 200 people were in attendance. He says he believes such an event is important in the current political moment because "the left is trying very hard to limit the Second Amendment rights of law-abiding Americans."
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Who Wants To Arm Teachers? Republican Men

Stewart says he emphasized arms as a tool for public safety in his speech Saturday. "The only way that we're going to prevent school shootings is by arming retired police, veterans and even teachers," he said. "The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun."
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🔫 Hundreds of school walkouts planned for Friday
« Reply #334 on: Today at 05:08:42 AM »
They won't have to walk out in AZ.  Teachers beat them to it.

School's Out for Summer early this year!  :icon_sunny:

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Hundreds of school walkouts planned for Friday

"We're walking out to remember every single young person who has been killed by American gun violence."
by Associated Press / Apr.20.2018 / 3:01 AM ET / Updated 3:24 AM ET

A student waves a placard as classmates gather during a student walkout to protest gun violence on the soccer field behind Columbine High School in Littleton, Colorado, on March 14, 2018.David Zalubowski / AP

Another wave of student walkouts is expected to disrupt classes Friday at hundreds of schools across the U.S. as young activists press for tougher gun laws.

The protests were chosen to line up with the 19th anniversary of the Columbine High School shooting, which left 13 people dead in Littleton, Colorado. At 10 a.m., students plan to gather for moments of silence honoring the victims at Columbine and other shootings.

From there, some students will head to rallies at their statehouses. Others will stay at school to discuss gun violence. Some are holding voting registration drives.

Organizers say there will be walkouts in every state, with more than 2,600 registered on the event's website as of Thursday. Citywide protests are expected to attract thousands in New York City and Austin, Texas. Police in Richmond, Virginia, say they expect at least 10,000 at the state Capitol.

It follows a wave of youth activism that has emerged after the Feb. 14 shooting massacre at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida.

Tens of thousands of students left class March 14 to protest gun violence in what historians called the largest youth protest movement since at least the Vietnam War. Days later, hundreds of thousands of teens and their backers rallied across the U.S. calling for tougher laws on guns and ammunition.

Plans for Friday's walkout began only hours after the Parkland shooting, when a Connecticut teen started an online petition calling for protests on the anniversary of Columbine. Sophomore Lane Murdock then gathered a few other students at Ridgefield High School to orchestrate the national protest.
March For Our Lives: Sights and sounds from the historic rally across the country

They also have received help from Indivisible, a left-leaning nonprofit based in Washington that helps boost grassroots activism. The group says it was formed after the 2016 election to oppose the policies promoted by President Donald Trump.

"We're walking out to remember every single young person who has been killed by American gun violence," Murdock said in a statement Thursday. "We're walking out to talk about the real problems our country is facing, and the solutions that our leaders are too scared to dream up."

Administrators at many schools tacitly allowed the walkouts in March, opting not to punish participants. But some now say the leniency has expired.

At a town hall Monday, the chancellor of New York City's education department urged students not to walk out on Friday.
At March for Our Lives, survivors lead hundreds of thousands in call for change

"You don't need to be out of school all day to make your voices known," Chancellor Richard Carranza told students at Brooklyn Technical High School. "You've already made your voices known. So I'm going to ask you to stay in school."

Even so, students at many New York schools are planning to rally at the city's Washington Square Park.

Some schools in Houston and elsewhere will give students time to share their views but have warned them not to leave campus or return to class late. Some others are holding alternative events after school. Many have simply said students are expected to stay in class throughout the day.

Students in the Washington area are planning to march from the White House to the Capitol building, where they will rally and deliver letters to Congress calling for greater gun control.

In Littleton, some survivors of the Columbine shooting planned to join with Parkland survivors for a vigil and rally Thursday evening. But there will be no walkout at Columbine, which has long canceled classes on the anniversary of the shooting. Instead, students will be called to participate in a day of service.

Principal Scott Christy said in a letter to other schools in his district that April "has long been a time to respectfully remember our loss, and also support efforts to make our communities a better place."

Binkley can be reached on Twitter at @cbinkley

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Re: Another Day Another Shooter
« Reply #335 on: Today at 05:24:51 AM »
Columbine got it right, have the students participate in a day of service. Good for the soul.

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