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🔫 Special Report: Two Mass Shootings In 13 Hours Leave 29 People Dead
« Reply #405 on: August 04, 2019, 02:00:49 PM »
...and the Shooters just keep on coming.

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Mexico vows to take legal action against U.S. after deadly El Paso shooting

At least three of the 20 dead in Saturday's attack, described by Mexico's foreign minister as an "act of barbarism," are Mexican nationals.


Mexican Foreign Minister Marcelo Ebrard attends a press conference in Mexico City on July 22, 2019.Daniel Aguilar / AFP - Getty Images file

Aug. 4, 2019, 12:04 PM AKDT
By David K. Li

Mexico on Sunday threatened to take legal action against the United States for failing to protect its citizens after this weekend's mass shooting in the border city of El Paso.

Of the 20 people gunned down at a Walmart at the Cielo Vista Mall, at least three were Mexican citizens, and Foreign Minister Marcelo Ebrard promised Mexico City will act.

Ebrard called Saturday's shooting an “act of barbarism.”

“The president has instructed me to ensure that Mexico’s indignation translates into ... efficient, prompt, expeditious and forceful legal actions for Mexico to take a role and demand that conditions are established that protect ... Mexicans in the United States,” Ebrard said in a video posted on Twitter.

Of the 26 injured in the attack, at least nine were Mexican nationals, according to the government.

El Paso, America's 22nd-largest city with an estimated population of 682,669, is more than 80 percent Hispanic or Latino, according to U.S. census data. El Paso sits just across the Rio Grande from Ciudad Juárez, which has a population of 1.3 million.

The shooter appears to have been targeting Hispanics and authorities are investigating it as a hate crime. A 21-year-old Texas man was in custody.
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David K. Li is a breaking news reporter for NBC News.
Associated Press and Reuters contributed.
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🔫 While you slept, a second mass shooter murdered ten people last night
« Reply #407 on: August 05, 2019, 03:59:42 AM »
https://thinkprogress.org/while-you-slept-a-second-mass-shooter-murdered-nine-people-last-night-5562982784d0/

While you slept, a second mass shooter murdered ten people last night
It never ends.

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Aug 4, 2019, 8:40 am   

This videograb taken from the Twitter account of Derek Myers on August 4, 2019 shows police officers walking behind a police cordon following a mass shooting in the popular bar and nightlife Oregon district of Dayton, Ohio. - Nine people were killed in a mass shooting early on August 4 in Dayton, Ohio, police said, adding that the assailant was shot dead by responding officers. (Photo by Derek MYERS / @DerekMyers Twitter account / AFP) (Photo credit should read DEREK MYERS/AFP/Getty Images)

On Saturday, a man with an assault rifle walked into a Walmart in El Paso, Texas, and shot 46 people. As of this writing, 20 are dead.

But America did not even get a full day to mourn those deaths. Early Sunday morning, as most of the nation slept, a second shooter murdered ten people in a bar in Dayton, Ohio. The second shooting, according to Mayor Nan Whaley, lasted “less than one minute” before “first responders neutralized the shooter.” The shooter is also dead.

There have been at least 251 mass shootings in the United States in 2019, according to the Gun Violence Archive, a website that tracks shooting incidents where four or more people are shot.

Meanwhile, those mass shootings are only a small part of a much broader epidemic of gun violence in the United States. In 2018, 14,624 people were killed by guns — and that’s actually a drop from recent years. The deadliest weapon is the handgun, owing to its ability to be easily concealed. And yet the Supreme Court has said that this preferred weapon of murderers enjoys special constitutional protection and cannot be banned.
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🔫 Death by Collapse: Behold a Pale Horse
« Reply #408 on: August 05, 2019, 04:24:52 AM »
Neil actually makes a good point here.  In the grand scheme of Death by Collapse, the mass shootings are just a drop in the bucket.  How many more people die every day from Starvation when their country gets Embargoed (read that Venezuela)?  How many die each day when the Death from Above is dropped from a flying death machine?  How many die every day on the Eisenhower Interstate while Happy Motoring?


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'Across any 48hrs we also lose 300 to the flu': Neil deGrasse Tyson is hit with huge backlash on Twitter after downplaying casualties in mass shootings that left at least 29 people dead

    Astrophysicist sparked Twitter backlash over comment about mass shootings
    Tyson appeared to downplay impact of Dayton and El Paso massacres
    He noted that more people on average die of flu, suicide, and car accidents
    'Often our emotions respond more to spectacle than to data,' he tweeted

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🔫 El Paso Shooting Victims in Hospital Refused to Meet Trump: Report
« Reply #409 on: August 08, 2019, 12:44:16 PM »
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El Paso Shooting Victims in Hospital Refused to Meet Trump: Report
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Updated 08.08.19 2:53PM ET /
Published 08.08.19 9:09AM ET
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None of the eight patients still under care at the University Medical Center after being shot in an El Paso Walmart last weekend consented to a visit from President Donald Trump on Wednesday. The Washington Post reports that two of the injured victims did return with family members to greet the president. Ryan Mielke, spokesperson for the University Medical Center in El Paso said that the patients were under no obligation to meet the president. “This is a very sensitive time in their lives,” Mielke said. “Some of them said they didn’t want to meet with the president. Some of them didn’t want any visitors.” Mielke did say that before Trump’s visit, many of the hospitalized patients accept visits from local elected officials and Democratic lawmakers.

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Video: Trump Bashes Beto O’Rourke During Visit With El Paso Victims and Medical Staff
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Updated 08.08.19 11:54AM ET /
Published 08.08.19 11:50AM ET

President Trump took time while visiting victims of the mass shooting in El Paso, Texas, on Wednesday to mock Democratic presidential candidate Beto O’Rourke. The White House banned journalists from observing the president’s visit, but video taken on a phone shows Trump speaking to medical staff at the University Medical Center where 15 of the shooting victims were treated. After commending the staff’s work, Trump pivoted to bragging about the turnout he received at a rally in the border city. “I was here three months ago,” Trump said. “That place was packed... and we had twice the number outside.” The president then squeezed in jabs about O’Rourke’s El Paso rally held on the same day in opposition to Trump. “Then you had this crazy Beto. Beto had like 400 people in a parking lot,” Trump said.

One of the attendees at the hospital visit appeared delighted by Trump’s recollection of events, even pulling up his pant leg for the president to reveal he was wearing Trump socks. According to the hospital’s spokesman, none of the eight victims who are still being treated at UMC wanted to meet with the president when he visited, The Washington Post reports.

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The lawyer for a 39-year-old man in Montana who fractured the skull of child for wearing a hat during the national anthem at a rodeo says his client believed he was acting on behalf of President Trump. Curt Brockway, who was charged this week with felony assault on the 13-year-old boy, suffered a traumatic brain injury and was honorably discharged from the U.S. Army over his disability, which his lawyer Lance Jasper said contributed to his actions. “His commander in chief is telling people that if they kneel, they should be fired, or if they burn a flag, they should be punished,” Jasper said. “He certainly didn’t understand it was a crime.” Brockway told deputies that he noticed the boy hadn’t removed his hat and confronted him about it, to which the boy responded “fuck you.” Brockway told authorities that he grabbed the boy by the throat, lifted him into the air, and then slammed him onto the ground. The boy was flown to a hospital, where he was diagnosed with a concussion and a fractured skull. Witnesses told reporters that Brockway defended his actions afterward because the boy had been disrespectful. “Trump never necessarily says go hurt somebody, but the message is absolutely clear,” Jasper said. “I am certain of the fact that [Brockway] was doing what he believed he was told to do, essentially, by the president.”
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🔫 Multiple Philadelphia Officers Shot in Shootout Near Temple University
« Reply #410 on: August 14, 2019, 05:26:14 PM »
Season is now open for cop shooting!

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🔫 At least 5 dead after more than 20 shot as gunman targets random victims in O
« Reply #411 on: September 01, 2019, 02:21:32 AM »
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At least 5 dead after more than 20 shot as gunman targets random victims in Odessa area, police say


At least 5 dead after more than 20 shot as gunman targets random victims in Odessa area, police say
At least five people died after more than 20 people were shot Saturday when a gunman hijacked a postal truck and began shooting randomly in the Odessa area of West Texas, authorities say.

By LaVendrick Smith and Alfredo Corchado

2:14 PM on Aug 31, 2019

This article is being continuously updated.

At least five people died after more than 20 people were shot Saturday when a gunman hijacked a postal truck and began shooting randomly in the Odessa area of West Texas, authorities say.

At least three law enforcement officers — a state trooper, an Odessa police officer and a Midland police officer — were among those shot. They were in stable condition Saturday night, according to the Texas Department of Public Safety.
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Odessa Police Chief Michael Gerke confirmed that authorities had fatally shot the gunman, whose name has not been released.

Gerke said at least 21 people had been shot. He did not indicate whether he was including the gunman in the death toll of five. It was unclear whether the number of people who were shot included the dead or whether the number was a count of the wounded.

The shooting began after 3 p.m., when a Department of Public Safety trooper tried to stop a Honda on Interstate 20. The driver shot the trooper, continued driving west into Odessa and shot another victim on the highway, police said.

At some point in Odessa, the gunman abandoned the Honda, hijacked the postal truck and shot more people, Gerke said.

The gunman traveled along I-20 and State Highway 191, which connect Odessa and Midland. Law enforcement personnel fatally shot him after he drove east to a Cinergy movie theater in Odessa. Cellphone video showed people running out of the theater.
Police tape hangs at a Cinergy movie theatre Saturday, Aug. 31, 2019 in Odessa, Texas. At least five people died after more than 20 people were shot Saturday when a gunman hijacked a postal truck and began shooting randomly in the Odessa area of West Texas, authorities say.
Police tape hangs at a Cinergy movie theatre Saturday, Aug. 31, 2019 in Odessa, Texas. At least five people died after more than 20 people were shot Saturday when a gunman hijacked a postal truck and began shooting randomly in the Odessa area of West Texas, authorities say.(Ryan Michalesko / Staff Photographer)

A video labeled "Dios mío por favor protegenos" ("My God, please protect us") posted under the name Antonio Orozco Garcia on Facebook showed people frantically taking cover on the ground some distance outside what appeared to be the theater.

While what sound like gunshots are heard in the distance, a man in the video yells "Get down! Get down!" at those around him and adults hold screaming children tightly to their bodies. A boy is heard asking "Who's shooting? Who's shooting, Dad?"
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Although the gunman's name had not been released, Gerke said he had some idea of who the man was and described him as white and in his 30s.

A 17-month-old who was shot in the face was among the victims, KWES-TV reported. The child, whose condition was unknown, was airlifted to University Medical Center in Lubbock.

Russell Tippin, CEO of Medical Center Hospital in Odessa, said 13 victims were being treated there, but he did not provide details about their conditions or other information about the victims. He earlier said 14 victims had been taken to the hospital.

Police initially believed that there could be more than one gunman, but Gerke said authorities now believe there was only one.

"Once this individual was taken out of the picture, there have been no more victims," he said.

Dustin Fawcett said he was sitting in his truck at a Starbucks in Odessa when he heard at least six gunshots ring out less than 50 yards behind him.

Fawcett, an Odessa transportation consultant, "got out to make sure everyone was safe." He said a little girl was bleeding and found out she had been grazed on the face.

He said that when police pulled out their rifles and vests, he realized "this is not a drive-by. This is something else, this is something bigger," Fawcett said.
Police are seen Saturday, Aug. 31, 2019 at a Cinergy movie theatre in Odessa, Texas. At least five people died after more than 20 people were shot Saturday when a gunman hijacked a postal truck and began shooting randomly in the Odessa area of West Texas, authorities say.
Police are seen Saturday, Aug. 31, 2019 at a Cinergy movie theatre in Odessa, Texas. At least five people died after more than 20 people were shot Saturday when a gunman hijacked a postal truck and began shooting randomly in the Odessa area of West Texas, authorities say.(Ryan Michalesko / Staff Photographer)

Saturday's shootings occurred only four weeks after a gunman killed 22 people in El Paso, about 280 miles away, and one day before several laws take effect in Texas to loosen restrictions on guns, including allowing firearms in public places like churches and schools.

Jessica Diaz, 27, a private nurse, was driving with her husband Saturday when alerts from friends on social media began to come in on her phone, warning her to stay off the road.

She went straight home, with memories of the El Paso massacre that targeted Hispanics adding to her fears. Like many in the Midland and Odessa area, Diaz has family and friends in El Paso.

"I'm not going to lie, but that went through my mind: Is this shooter, or shooters, targeting Hispanics?" she said. "You don't know whether he was aiming for us. That's more worrisome because there are so many here. Either way it was nerve-racking, overwhelming. You don't want anyone, regardless of race, to be a victim of a crazy person."

Yolanda Navarro, 49, said she and her husband, with her daughter driving behind them, sensed that something was wrong as an array of police cars passed them.

"We got home and heard the news, and we immediately locked ourselves inside. We've been told to stay inside our house. Everyone is tense. ... We're desperate, unsure what to do. This is Labor Day weekend. We were looking forward to a relaxing weekend with family."

Gov. Greg Abbott issued a written statement calling Saturday's shooting a "senseless and cowardly attack." He said he would travel to Odessa on Sunday morning.

"The first lady and I are heartbroken ... and we offer our unwavering support to the victims, their families, and all the people of Midland and Odessa. The state of Texas and the Department of Public Safety are working closely with local law enforcement to provide resources as needed and deliver justice for this heinous attack.

"I thank the first responders who have acted swiftly and admirably under pressure, and I want to remind all Texans that we will not allow the Lone Star State to be overrun by hatred and violence. We will unite, as Texans always do, to respond to this tragedy."

President Donald Trump tweeted that he had been briefed on the shooting.

"FBI and Law Enforcement is fully engaged," he wrote.

Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton also said the state's law-enforcement resources would be deployed as needed in the investigation.

"I am horrified to see such a senseless act terrorize the fine people of the Permian Basin," he said in a written statement. "... I have asked my law enforcement division and my crime victims services team to assist in any way necessary."

Texas' U.S. senators also responded with their condolences in written statements.

"Tonight we are one with the entire Midland-Odessa community, especially the victims of this horrific tragedy," Sen. John Cornyn said.

Sen. Ted Cruz expressed similar sentiments on behalf of himself and his wife: "Heidi and I are heartbroken by this heinous attack, and we are lifting up in prayer all the victims, their families, and the entire Midland-Odessa community."

Beto O'Rourke, a Democratic candidate for president and former congressman from El Paso, expressed his condolences on Twitter: "Our hearts are with Midland, Odessa and everyone in West Teas who has to endure this again. More information is forthcoming, but here's what we know: We need to end this epidemic."

Fellow presidential candidate Julián Castro, in Houston for a forum sponsored by the Islamic Society of North America, also said it was time to act against gun violence.

"My prayers are with our country and with West Texas tonight — not prayers that absolve us from inaction — but that we will each find the strength within us to act," he said. "To act boldly, swiftly, so that one day our grandchildren won't believe the stories of what these days were like."

The Associated Press, The Washington Post, Bloomberg News and the Lubbock Avalanche-Journal contributed to this report.
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🔫 US saw highest number of mass killings on record in 2019, database reveals
« Reply #414 on: December 29, 2019, 01:25:45 AM »
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50936575

US saw highest number of mass killings on record in 2019, database reveals


Mass killings are often followed by public outpourings of grief, such as in El Paso in August
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The US suffered more mass killings in 2019 than any year on record, according to researchers.

A database compiled by the Associated Press (AP), USA Today and Northeastern University recorded 41 incidents and a total of 211 deaths.

Mass killings are defined as four or more people being killed in the same incident, excluding the perpetrator.

Among the deadliest in 2019 were the killings of 12 people in Virginia Beach in May and 22 in El Paso in August.

Of the 41 cases in 2019, 33 involved firearms, researchers said. California had the highest number of mass killings per state, with eight.

The database has been tracking mass killings in the US since 2006, but research going back to the 1970s did not not reveal a year with more mass killings, AP reported. The year with the second-highest number of mass killings was 2006, with 38.

Though 2019 had the highest number of incidents, the death toll of 211 was eclipsed by the 224 people who died in mass killings 2017. That year saw the deadliest mass shooting in US history, when 59 people were gunned down at a festival in Las Vegas.

Many mass killings in the US fail to make headlines because they involve family disputes, drug deals or gang violence, and don't spill into public places, the researchers said.

    Disgruntled employee kills 12 colleagues in Virginia Beach
    22 killed and 24 wounded in El Paso rampage
    Gunman kills nine people and wounds 27 in Dayton, Ohio
    Gunman kills seven, wounds 20 in Odessa and Midland, Texas

The number of mass killings in the US had risen despite the overall number of homicides going down, said James Densley, a criminologist and professor at Metropolitan State University in Minnesota.

"As a percentage of homicides, these mass killings are also accounting for more deaths," he told AP.

Prof Densley said he believed the spike was partly a consequence of an "angry and frustrated time" in US society, but he added that crimes tended to occur in waves.

"This seems to be the age of mass shootings," he said.
Media caption#ElPasoStrong: Portrait of a defiant city

Gun ownership rights are enshrined in the second amendment of the US constitution, and the spike in mass shootings has done little to push US lawmakers towards gun control reforms.

In August, following deadly attacks in Dayton, Ohio, and El Paso, Texas, President Donald Trump said "serious discussions" would take place between congressional leaders on "meaningful" background checks for gun owners.

    What do US Democrats want to do about guns?
    America's gun culture in charts
    US gun debate: Four dates that explain how we got here

But Mr Trump quietly rowed back on that pledge, reportedly after a long phonecall with Wayne LaPierre, the chief executive of the National Rifle Association - a powerful lobby group which opposes gun control measures.

Speaking to reporters after the call, the president said the US had "very strong background checks right now", adding that mass shootings were a "mental problem".
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Image caption A solidarity vigil in memory of victims of a Las Vegas mass shooting

Leading Democrats have called publicly for stricter gun control measures.

Earlier this month, presidential candidate and former US Vice-President Joe Biden used the seventh anniversary of the Sandy Hook school shooting to renew a call for tighter regulations. Mr Biden's plans include a ban on the manufacture and sale of assault weapons and mandatory background checks for all gun sales.

Another Democratic presidential hopeful, Elizabeth Warren, outlined plans earlier this year to reduce gun deaths by 80% with a mixture of legislation and executive action. Ms Warren has also called for stronger background checks, as well as the ability to revoke licences for gun dealers who break the law.
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50936575

US saw highest number of mass killings on record in 2019, database reveals


Mass killings are often followed by public outpourings of grief, such as in El Paso in August
Image copyright Getty Images


The US suffered more mass killings in 2019 than any year on record, according to researchers.

A database compiled by the Associated Press (AP), USA Today and Northeastern University recorded 41 incidents and a total of 211 deaths.

Mass killings are defined as four or more people being killed in the same incident, excluding the perpetrator.

Among the deadliest in 2019 were the killings of 12 people in Virginia Beach in May and 22 in El Paso in August.

Of the 41 cases in 2019, 33 involved firearms, researchers said. California had the highest number of mass killings per state, with eight.

The database has been tracking mass killings in the US since 2006, but research going back to the 1970s did not not reveal a year with more mass killings, AP reported. The year with the second-highest number of mass killings was 2006, with 38.

Though 2019 had the highest number of incidents, the death toll of 211 was eclipsed by the 224 people who died in mass killings 2017. That year saw the deadliest mass shooting in US history, when 59 people were gunned down at a festival in Las Vegas.

Many mass killings in the US fail to make headlines because they involve family disputes, drug deals or gang violence, and don't spill into public places, the researchers said.

    Disgruntled employee kills 12 colleagues in Virginia Beach
    22 killed and 24 wounded in El Paso rampage
    Gunman kills nine people and wounds 27 in Dayton, Ohio
    Gunman kills seven, wounds 20 in Odessa and Midland, Texas

The number of mass killings in the US had risen despite the overall number of homicides going down, said James Densley, a criminologist and professor at Metropolitan State University in Minnesota.

"As a percentage of homicides, these mass killings are also accounting for more deaths," he told AP.

Prof Densley said he believed the spike was partly a consequence of an "angry and frustrated time" in US society, but he added that crimes tended to occur in waves.

"This seems to be the age of mass shootings," he said.
Media caption#ElPasoStrong: Portrait of a defiant city

Gun ownership rights are enshrined in the second amendment of the US constitution, and the spike in mass shootings has done little to push US lawmakers towards gun control reforms.

In August, following deadly attacks in Dayton, Ohio, and El Paso, Texas, President Donald Trump said "serious discussions" would take place between congressional leaders on "meaningful" background checks for gun owners.

    What do US Democrats want to do about guns?
    America's gun culture in charts
    US gun debate: Four dates that explain how we got here

But Mr Trump quietly rowed back on that pledge, reportedly after a long phonecall with Wayne LaPierre, the chief executive of the National Rifle Association - a powerful lobby group which opposes gun control measures.

Speaking to reporters after the call, the president said the US had "very strong background checks right now", adding that mass shootings were a "mental problem".
Image copyright Reuters
Image caption A solidarity vigil in memory of victims of a Las Vegas mass shooting

Leading Democrats have called publicly for stricter gun control measures.

Earlier this month, presidential candidate and former US Vice-President Joe Biden used the seventh anniversary of the Sandy Hook school shooting to renew a call for tighter regulations. Mr Biden's plans include a ban on the manufacture and sale of assault weapons and mandatory background checks for all gun sales.

Another Democratic presidential hopeful, Elizabeth Warren, outlined plans earlier this year to reduce gun deaths by 80% with a mixture of legislation and executive action. Ms Warren has also called for stronger background checks, as well as the ability to revoke licences for gun dealers who break the law.

There is an opportunity here for any serious liberal presidential candidate to come up with a middle-of-the-road solution to this epidemic, and it does involve some form of gun control. But not the ones we always hear about/

But it has to be done in a new and novel way that so one has figured out quite yet. The current solutions being offered lack any hope of success anyway.

To work, it needs to get away from the current approach of banning assault rifles and requiring tougher background checks, and become tied to a system that promotes and rewards responsible gun ownership.
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Re: Another Day Another Shooter
« Reply #416 on: December 29, 2019, 05:31:13 PM »
Pretty sure that horse has bolted in the US. Cant see how it can be changed when there are so many guns in such a large population.

We have quite strict but I think acceptable gun laws in Oz, despite what you hear. Became fairly uniform and strict after our last mass shooting when an asshole murdered men, women and small children at Port Arthur in Tasmania
Everyone has to have a license and all firearms have to be registered at a state level. All firearms have to be stored in a locked and secure cabinet or safe varying on number and type of firearms stored and amunition needs to be stored separate. The license and storage requirements I agree with 100%. The registration I am a little wary of to be honest.

Rifles and shotguns easy to own. (I own a few of each)
Semi auto rifles and shotguns and pump action shotguns a bit more controlled. (I had to hand back my Winchester 22 semi auto in 96)
Handguns a little harder again. (I would like to get one when I retire and have time to shoot it)
Military semi autos you need to be a collector or a museum with strict storage controlls. (Pity. I would love an SLR like I trained with before Oz went to Styres)
Fully auto banned as far as I can tell....

This came in nationally after 96. Result is no mass shooting since then in Oz. Unless you want to go this far I dont think things will change in the US.

You need to change some of the social problems that seems to drive mass shooting as well as maybe attempt some gun controls, but like I said I think it might be too late to try and remove hand guns and/ or semi-autos from society in the US. They are having some issues doing it in Unzud after some other asshole recently murdered men, women and small children, and they have a fairly egalitarian society and culture much like us in Oz. (I hate to admit it but we are very simmilar. Should not be surprised, there are fucking thousands of the sheep shagging fucking kiwis in Australia).

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« Reply #417 on: December 30, 2019, 08:12:41 AM »
Pretty sure that horse has bolted in the US. Cant see how it can be changed when there are so many guns in such a large population.

We have quite strict but I think acceptable gun laws in Oz, despite what you hear. Became fairly uniform and strict after our last mass shooting when an asshole murdered men, women and small children at Port Arthur in Tasmania
Everyone has to have a license and all firearms have to be registered at a state level. All firearms have to be stored in a locked and secure cabinet or safe varying on number and type of firearms stored and amunition needs to be stored separate. The license and storage requirements I agree with 100%. The registration I am a little wary of to be honest.

Rifles and shotguns easy to own. (I own a few of each)
Semi auto rifles and shotguns and pump action shotguns a bit more controlled. (I had to hand back my Winchester 22 semi auto in 96)
Handguns a little harder again. (I would like to get one when I retire and have time to shoot it)
Military semi autos you need to be a collector or a museum with strict storage controlls. (Pity. I would love an SLR like I trained with before Oz went to Styres)
Fully auto banned as far as I can tell....

This came in nationally after 96. Result is no mass shooting since then in Oz. Unless you want to go this far I dont think things will change in the US.

You need to change some of the social problems that seems to drive mass shooting as well as maybe attempt some gun controls, but like I said I think it might be too late to try and remove hand guns and/ or semi-autos from society in the US. They are having some issues doing it in Unzud after some other asshole recently murdered men, women and small children, and they have a fairly egalitarian society and culture much like us in Oz. (I hate to admit it but we are very simmilar. Should not be surprised, there are fucking thousands of the sheep shagging fucking kiwis in Australia).

JOW

Hand guns are the very obvious elephant in the room. And absolutely no politician will take on handgun ownership, because it's a political non-starter.  It should be HARD to get a handgun. Far more people get murdered with handguns than any other weapon. The stats are very clear...but totally ignored.
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« Reply #418 on: December 30, 2019, 08:34:04 AM »
Pretty sure that horse has bolted in the US. Cant see how it can be changed when there are so many guns in such a large population.

We have quite strict but I think acceptable gun laws in Oz, despite what you hear. Became fairly uniform and strict after our last mass shooting when an asshole murdered men, women and small children at Port Arthur in Tasmania
Everyone has to have a license and all firearms have to be registered at a state level. All firearms have to be stored in a locked and secure cabinet or safe varying on number and type of firearms stored and amunition needs to be stored separate. The license and storage requirements I agree with 100%. The registration I am a little wary of to be honest.

Rifles and shotguns easy to own. (I own a few of each)
Semi auto rifles and shotguns and pump action shotguns a bit more controlled. (I had to hand back my Winchester 22 semi auto in 96)
Handguns a little harder again. (I would like to get one when I retire and have time to shoot it)
Military semi autos you need to be a collector or a museum with strict storage controlls. (Pity. I would love an SLR like I trained with before Oz went to Styres)
Fully auto banned as far as I can tell....

This came in nationally after 96. Result is no mass shooting since then in Oz. Unless you want to go this far I dont think things will change in the US.

You need to change some of the social problems that seems to drive mass shooting as well as maybe attempt some gun controls, but like I said I think it might be too late to try and remove hand guns and/ or semi-autos from society in the US. They are having some issues doing it in Unzud after some other asshole recently murdered men, women and small children, and they have a fairly egalitarian society and culture much like us in Oz. (I hate to admit it but we are very simmilar. Should not be surprised, there are fucking thousands of the sheep shagging fucking kiwis in Australia).

JOW

Hand guns are the very obvious elephant in the room. And absolutely no politician will take on handgun ownership, because it's a political non-starter.  It should be HARD to get a handgun. Far more people get murdered with handguns than any other weapon. The stats are very clear...but totally ignored.

It's a thoroughly intractable problem.  There is no way you can possibly get all the currently extant handguns off the street, and no way to stop the "illegal" sales either.  There are simply already too many out there.  So get conditioned to Mass Killings, because they will increase in number, frequency & magnitude.  This is how the Great Culling begins here in the FSoA.

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« Reply #419 on: December 30, 2019, 08:48:01 AM »
So...here at the lodge I got congratulated for the way the Church Vigilantes took down the shooter in yesterday's episode. By some guy from Boston....like Texans all wear guns on their hips and  (rightfully, according to him) are prepared to take the law into their own hands.

And our governor went public immediately praising the response by the church's "security team".

When I think of "church security teams" it evokes memories of Jim Jones and  Elijah Muhammed......

But Texas recently passed a law that makes it perfectly legal. I expect we'll see more armed vigilantes.....and probably some coming screw-ups where cops shoot vigilantes and vice versa.

Reinforces my natural inclination to sleep in on Sunday morning.

I still think that it's the gun lobby and the corporate profits that are keeping handguns easy to get...and not any real impossibility of rounding them up. You might not be able to get them all, but sending people to jail for possessing them would have a very chilling effect.
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