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Re: Another Day Another Shooter
« Reply #420 on: December 30, 2019, 08:56:04 AM »
So...here at the lodge I got congratulated for the way the Church Vigilantes took down the shooter in yesterday's episode. By some guy from Boston....like Texans all wear guns on their hips and  (rightfully, according to him) are prepared to take the law into their own hands.

And our governor went public immediately praising the response by the church's "security team".

When I think of "church security teams" it evokes memories of Jim Jones and  Elijah Muhammed......

But Texas recently passed a law that makes it perfectly legal. I expect we'll see more armed vigilantes.....and probably some coming screw-ups where cops shoot vigilantes and vice versa.

Reinforces my natural inclination to sleep in on Sunday morning.

I still think that it's the gun lobby and the corporate profits that are keeping handguns easy to get...and not any real impossibility of rounding them up. You might not be able to get them all, but sending people to jail for possessing them would have a very chilling effect.



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Re: Another Day Another Shooter
« Reply #421 on: December 30, 2019, 09:42:02 PM »
Pretty sure that horse has bolted in the US. Cant see how it can be changed when there are so many guns in such a large population.

We have quite strict but I think acceptable gun laws in Oz, despite what you hear. Became fairly uniform and strict after our last mass shooting when an asshole murdered men, women and small children at Port Arthur in Tasmania
Everyone has to have a license and all firearms have to be registered at a state level. All firearms have to be stored in a locked and secure cabinet or safe varying on number and type of firearms stored and amunition needs to be stored separate. The license and storage requirements I agree with 100%. The registration I am a little wary of to be honest.

Rifles and shotguns easy to own. (I own a few of each)
Semi auto rifles and shotguns and pump action shotguns a bit more controlled. (I had to hand back my Winchester 22 semi auto in 96)
Handguns a little harder again. (I would like to get one when I retire and have time to shoot it)
Military semi autos you need to be a collector or a museum with strict storage controlls. (Pity. I would love an SLR like I trained with before Oz went to Styres)
Fully auto banned as far as I can tell....

This came in nationally after 96. Result is no mass shooting since then in Oz. Unless you want to go this far I dont think things will change in the US.

You need to change some of the social problems that seems to drive mass shooting as well as maybe attempt some gun controls, but like I said I think it might be too late to try and remove hand guns and/ or semi-autos from society in the US. They are having some issues doing it in Unzud after some other asshole recently murdered men, women and small children, and they have a fairly egalitarian society and culture much like us in Oz. (I hate to admit it but we are very simmilar. Should not be surprised, there are fucking thousands of the sheep shagging fucking kiwis in Australia).

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Hand guns are the very obvious elephant in the room. And absolutely no politician will take on handgun ownership, because it's a political non-starter.  It should be HARD to get a handgun. Far more people get murdered with handguns than any other weapon. The stats are very clear...but totally ignored.

It is strange how in the US people are being encouraged to carry hand guns while in Australia it is not acceptable to have any firearm in public other than while hunting, at home or at the range.

I would have thought hand guns are used in roberies more than mass shootings. Background checks and licensing should take care of this. If caught with a had gun without a license you should be locked up, and any prior roberies or violent crimes should make it hard to get a license. (As in Oz)
Surely this would not be too unpalatable for the gun lobby?

Mass shootings usually involve semi-automatic centre fire rifles and shotguns. These need to be controlled if you want to decrease the number and severity of mass shootings. I had a semi auto 22 which was bought back after 96. I dont miss it. I find for hunting a bolt action or lever is fine. Once agin licensing and background checks should limit this.

I wonder if storage is a problem in the US?
Here in Oz we need to lock up firearms so only license holder can get acces to them, and store amunition in seperate locked vessel.
How many school shooters are drug fucked kids pinching dad's AR15 from out of the pantry?

Surely safe starage is not something that infringes your constitutional rights?
Safe storage is promoted here by the Sporting Shooter Association of Australia. (I am a member, and I suppose it is our nearest equivalent to your NRA.. But a little different) They actuall have the mantra: "Secure you guns and secure you sport", and promote responsible gun ownership.

Different cultures.....
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« Reply #422 on: January 20, 2020, 05:05:35 AM »
Hey!  I hit that club a couple of times after I dropped off my Truck at the JB Hunt Terminal in KC for Time Off!   :o

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BREAKING: One person killed, 7 others injured in downtown Seattle shooting. Suspect still at large.

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Remaining suspects in deadly Seattle shooting have 65 combined arrests
Seattle police are looking for two suspects connected to a deadly shooting in downtown. A third suspect who was shot was arrested.
Author: KING 5 Staff
Published: 8:42 AM PST January 23, 2020
Updated: 5:38 AM PST January 24, 2020

SEATTLE Police identified two suspects believed to be connected to a deadly shooting in downtown Seattle on Wednesday evening. A third suspect who was shot and treated at Harborview Medical Center was later arrested.

Court records indicate all three men have ties to gangs in the area.

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The gang info only became official at 6 this morning.  Managed news!

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Re: Another Day Another Shooter
« Reply #426 on: January 24, 2020, 02:40:41 PM »
Gangsters.

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The gang info only became official at 6 this morning.  Managed news!

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Maybe the greatest western, at least to my taste. This and the gunfight scene in Open Range are classics, if a bit unrealistic.
For me, "Unforgiven" was the most likely. People hiding in shadows and shooting people, punctuated with wanton brutality.

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« Reply #428 on: January 24, 2020, 04:31:50 PM »
I practice in a town with an interstate highway that runs for a short distance along what once was called the Chisolm Trail.

On the other side of the freeway, a couple of blocks south of my office, is a cemetery where two guys are buried. One was a notorious train robber named Sam Bass,  and the other was a local sheriff's deputy named A.W. Grimes. A thwarted bank robbery and a real gunfight  made Round Rock the final resting place of both of them. The cemetery is on Sam Bass Road, and over on my side of the freeway is a newer north-south running parkway named for the lawman.

I expect more people know that Sam Bass Rd was named for an outlaw, than could tell you who the other street was named for.

Grimes was shot when he tried to disarm the bandits when they entered a local store to buy tobacco. The Texas Rangers were already in town, lying in wait for Bass, who had been ratted out by an informant upon whom the law men had put some unusual pressure, the legalities of which might be questionable. But none of the Rangers had any idea what Bass even looked like.

Responding to the first shooting, the Rangers shot Sam Bass and wounded some other gang members. Bass  escaped but he was found mortally wounded in a nearby pasture the next day,  Actually the posse rode right by him and he called out to them for help. Otherwise they might not have seen him.

He died later that day, on July 21st, 1878, which was his birthday. He had just turned 27 years old. Griimes, although he had already served in the Texas Rangers himself, was also only 27.

They are both still dead.

Life seems way too precious for anybody to die young in a gunfight.
 
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The gang info only became official at 6 this morning.  Managed news!

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Maybe the greatest western, at least to my taste. This and the gunfight scene in Open Range are classics, if a bit unrealistic.
For me, "Unforgiven" was the most likely. People hiding in shadows and shooting people, punctuated with wanton brutality.

It would be really hard for me to pick a "Greatest Western"   :icon_scratch:, I am a HUGE fan of the whole genre.  Sergio Leone's Spaghetti Westerns (with Clint Eastwood, of course), Sam Peckinpah's films, John Wayne films... the list goes on and on.

However, ONE of my very favorites is "The Long Riders", which featured real-life actor brothers in the lead roles.  James & Stacy Keach, all the Carradines (David, Keith & Robert), Dennis & Randy Quaid, and Christopher & Nicholas Guest.  It was about the James-Younger Gang.  Highly fictionalized of course, but superbly done.

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🔫 At Least 10 Killed, Including Police Officer, In Nova Scotia Shootings
« Reply #430 on: April 19, 2020, 08:26:16 PM »
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Members of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) tactical unit confer after the suspect in a deadly shooting rampage was killed at a gas station in Nova Scotia, Canada, on Sunday.
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At least 10 people, including a police officer, are dead following a 12-hour shooting rampage in Nova Scotia, according to Canadian authorities. The suspected shooter is also dead.

The Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) identified the alleged gunman as Gabriel Wortman, 51. They believe he acted alone, leading police on a chase across the northern part of the Canadian province that began Saturday and came to an end on Sunday morning.

RCMP identified the deceased officer as Constable Heidi Stevenson, who had been with the force for 23 years. Another officer is receiving treatment after he was injured, but is expected to recover, authorities said.

"The impact of this incident will extend from one end of this province to the other," said Lee Bergerman, assistant commissioner of the Nova Scotia RCMP, in a statement. "As Nova Scotians, we have to do what we are known for. And come together in times of need and support one another."

The shooting began Saturday night in the small rural community of Portapique, where police responded to reports of gunfire. The chase ended around 11:40 a.m. local time on Sunday outside of a gas station in the community of Enfield, the RCMP confirmed.

During a news conference Sunday, RCMP Chief Superintendent Chris Leather said police arrived to a "chaotic scene," describing "several casualties" both inside and outside of a residence.

At one point, officials said, the suspect dressed in what appeared to be a police uniform. They also saw him driving a car with the likeness of an RCMP police cruiser.

Leather says there was at least one incident during the evening in which police exchanged gunfire with the suspect.

"There are several locations across the province where persons have been killed," he said without giving additional details. He added that there may be more victims police have not located yet.

Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau extended his condolences to the people affected by the shooting.

"To the Portapique community, we're keeping all of you in our thoughts," he said on Twitter. "And on behalf of all Canadians, I want you to know that we're here for you - and we'll be here for you in the days and weeks ahead."

In a Sunday afternoon address, Nova Scotia Premier Stephen McNeil called the shootings "one of the most senseless acts of violence in our province's history."

"To the families of the victims, and to those who are still feeling afraid, my heart goes out to you. Know that all Nova Scotians are with you," McNeil said.

In Canada, which has tighter gun ownership restrictions than the U.S., mass shootings are relatively uncommon. This weekend's killings are thought to be the nation's deadliest since 1989, when a gunman in Quebec killed 14 women after opening fire at a college.

This is a developing story. Some things that get reported by the media will later turn out to be wrong. We will focus on reports from police officials and other authorities, credible news outlets and reporters who are at the scene. We will update as the situation develops.
Correction April 19, 2020

An earlier version of this story incorrectly referred to the Canadian police service as the Royal Canadian Mountain Police. In fact, it's called the Royal Canadian Mounted Police.
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