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Re: WW3??
« Reply #15 on: November 24, 2015, 09:48:19 AM »
Turkey just shot down a Russian jet!

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Like Russia has a desire to take on NATO anytime soon. Stop flying your planes in the airspace of others you dumbasses, you aren't doing it to turban wearing camel jockies.
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« Reply #16 on: November 24, 2015, 11:48:32 AM »
Nato meets as Russia confirms one of two pilots dead after jet shot down
US and France call on Turkey and Russia to prevent escalation
Turkey says its jets have shot down a warplane near Syrian border
Russia says an SU-24 fighter jet was shot down over Syria
One jet pilot and marine from rescue helicopter dead, says Russia
Putin’s spokesman calls it ‘a very serious event’
Turkey releases radar images of the jet over its airspace
Nato to hold extraordinary council meeting on Turkey’s request

"How come a Turkish TV crew was in the right place, filming in the right direction as Russian plane shot down? Lucky? Or tipped off?"

http://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2015/nov/24/russian-jet-downed-by-turkish-planes-near-syrian-border-live-updates

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« Reply #17 on: November 24, 2015, 12:22:52 PM »
Nato meets as Russia confirms one of two pilots dead after jet shot down
US and France call on Turkey and Russia to prevent escalation
Turkey says its jets have shot down a warplane near Syrian border
Russia says an SU-24 fighter jet was shot down over Syria
One jet pilot and marine from rescue helicopter dead, says Russia
Putin’s spokesman calls it ‘a very serious event’
Turkey releases radar images of the jet over its airspace
Nato to hold extraordinary council meeting on Turkey’s request

"How come a Turkish TV crew was in the right place, filming in the right direction as Russian plane shot down? Lucky? Or tipped off?"

http://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2015/nov/24/russian-jet-downed-by-turkish-planes-near-syrian-border-live-updates


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Re: WW3??
« Reply #18 on: November 24, 2015, 12:28:31 PM »
That was not my quote but from a journalist in the news feed.

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Re: WW3??
« Reply #19 on: November 24, 2015, 01:01:25 PM »
Truth is the first casualty of war. He said, she said, they did, we did, all pointless. The point is WAR. KILL, KILL, KILL.

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Re: WW3??
« Reply #20 on: November 24, 2015, 01:39:56 PM »
Lavrov not now going to Ankara today.
USS Harry S. Truman aircraft carrier group to join French carrier in east Mediterranean.
It's going to be really crowded in there, and with Turkey on northern Cyprus, the Russian Navy will have the Turks behind their backs as well as in front.



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Re: Oil Advances as Mideast Tensions Rise After Russian Plane Downed
« Reply #21 on: November 24, 2015, 02:12:48 PM »
Look at the upside.  It will get the Oil Price out of the Toilet.  ::)

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Not an upside. Filling up a car costs less than what I once filled up my motorcycles for, higher prices SUCK. They will interfere with the experience of a fine, inexpensive, road trip.

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Re: WW3??
« Reply #22 on: November 24, 2015, 03:47:44 PM »
Video of Syrian rebels (patched EA) firing TOW missile at helicopter on the ground and hitting it.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/2vxxQOTCN18?feature=player_embedded" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/2vxxQOTCN18?feature=player_embedded</a>

Russians confirm an Mi-8 hit, one killed, the rest evacuated.
I expect Yamadi to be totally obliterated soon.
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Re: WW3??
« Reply #23 on: November 24, 2015, 07:38:51 PM »
There's scope for Putin to lay out all this evidence, and more, about Turkey in the UNSC, and to have Turkey declared to be not one of those countries that are anti-ISIS, but the exact opposite.  The US and the other NATO allies would have to say "no", but the justification for it will look terrible back at home.  Having been officially knocked back, Putin could then unilaterally declare that Turkey cannot fly in Syrian airspace, and will be shot down if it does.

https://www.rt.com/op-edge/323252-turkey-isis-syria-russian-plane-su24/
'Turkey good example of West’s duplicity towards ISIS'
John Wight
24 Nov, 2015

In shooting down a Russian jet operating over Syria, Turkey’s nefarious role in the Syrian conflict has intensified. It also presents a damning indictment of the West's seriousness in confronting extremism and terrorism.

In the aftermath of the spate of ISIS atrocities – first the downing of the Russian passenger plane, Metrojet Flight 7K9268 over the Sinai at the end of October, killing all 224 on board, followed by the killing of 43 civilians in Beirut in a suicide bomb attack, and most recently the slaughter of 130 people in Paris in multiple suicide bombings and shootings – we now know who is serious about confronting this medieval death cult and who is not.

More, we are starting to uncover those who speak the language of anti-terrorism while in practice working to facilitate and support it.

Turkey is a key culprit in this regard. A murky relationship has long existed between Ankara, ISIS, al Nusra, and other jihadi groups operating in Syria. Indeed, on the most basic level, without their ability to pass back and forth across the Turkish border at will, those groups could not have operated as easily and effectively as they had until Russia intervened.

However, according to a report by David L Phillips of Columbia University, Turkey’s support for extremist groups operating in Syria, including ISIS has been even more extensive than previously thought. Drawing on a wide variety of sources, Phillips reveals that the Turkish government, a member of NATO and a key Western ally, has been involved in helping ISIS with recruitment, training, and has provided it with intelligence and safe havens and sanctuary. Most recently it has been exposed as a major customer for stolen Syrian oil, supplied by the terrorist group.

Perhaps the most damning evidence contained in the report when it comes to Turkey’s role, is in relation to its actions and inaction when it came to the siege of the Kurdish town of Kobani on the Syrian-Turkish border in September and October of 2014.

As Phillips reveals: “Anwar Moslem, Mayor of Kobani, said on September 19, 2014: ‘Based on the intelligence we got two days before the breakout of the current war, trains full of forces and ammunition, which were passing by north of Kobani, had an-hour-and-ten-to-twenty-minute-long stops in these villages: Salib Qaran, Gire Sor, Moshrefat Ezzo. There is evidence, witnesses, and videos about this. Why is ISIS strong only in Kobani's east? Why is it not strong either in its south or west? Since these trains stopped in villages located in the east of Kobani, we guess they had brought ammunition and additional force for the ISIS.’ In the second article on September 30, 2014, a CHP delegation visited Kobani, where locals claimed that everything from the clothes ISIS militants wear to their guns comes from Turkey.”

The world will never forget how, during the siege of Kobani, as its Kurdish defenders mounted a heroic defense of the town against thousands of ISIS fighters, armed with tanks and artillery, Turkish tanks and troops sat just over the border and did nothing to intervene.

Likewise, no one will forget that earlier this year Turkey carried out airstrikes against those same Kurdish volunteers of the PKK/YPG within Syria, while depicting them as terrorists. Turkey’s oppression of its Kurdish minority going back many years is of course a matter of record.

President Erdogan and his government has undeniably been a key in the destabilization of Syria, doing its utmost to foment regime change. As with the Saudis and other Gulf monarchies, before Russia’s intervention Turkey was hovering over Syria as a vulture hovers over a dying animal, waiting for it to perish before descending to feed on its carcass.

The fact that Turkey remains a key Western ally exposes the moral high ground from which Washington and its allies have lectured Russia over its role in Syria as nothing more than a dung-heap of hypocrisy.

If the West was serious about confronting terrorism, was serious about returning stability to a region it has helped to set on fire, it would reconsider its close ties to both Turkey and the Saudis, whose governments between them have been wading in the river of blood they have helped shed these past four years. Turkey’s claim that the Russian military aircraft it shot down had encroached on its airspace and ignored multiple warnings should be treated with the credibility it deserves, especially when we recall that prior to Russia’s participation in the conflict, Turkey’s violation of Syrian airspace and the Syrian border was happening on a regular basis.

With Russia’s presence in Syria has put paid to Erdogan’s objective of toppling the Syrian government, we begin to discern its efforts to enlist the support of NATO in putting pressure on Russia to desist. It also helps to explain why the West continues to refuse President Putin’s call for cooperation and unity in the effort to eradicate ISIS and other extremist groups massacring and slaughtering their way across the country, with the intention of turning it into a mass grave.

In the wake of the recent spate of ISIS atrocities unleashed against Russian, Lebanese, and French civilians, the grounds for refusing to enter such an alliance are as indefensible as Turkey’s role in the conflict and its most recent action in shooting down a Russian aircraft.

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Re: WW3??
« Reply #24 on: November 24, 2015, 09:53:08 PM »
Putin is angry.  "The incident will have grave consequences".

https://www.rt.com/news/323262-putin-downing-plane-syria/
Putin: Downing of Russian jet over Syria stab in the back by terrorist accomplices
24 Nov, 2015

Turkey backstabbed Russia by downing the Russian warplane and acted as accomplices of the terrorists, Russian President Vladimir Putin said.

"Stabbed in the back", hmmmmmmmmmm I'm sure I've heard that wording before. Now I'm sure Vlad knows his history so why would he use a (in)famous Adolfism? Are we being prepped?

Paranoid mode.

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Re: WW3??
« Reply #25 on: November 25, 2015, 01:30:11 AM »
Putin is angry.  "The incident will have grave consequences".

https://www.rt.com/news/323262-putin-downing-plane-syria/
Putin: Downing of Russian jet over Syria stab in the back by terrorist accomplices
24 Nov, 2015

Turkey backstabbed Russia by downing the Russian warplane and acted as accomplices of the terrorists, Russian President Vladimir Putin said.

"Stabbed in the back", hmmmmmmmmmm I'm sure I've heard that wording before. Now I'm sure Vlad knows his history so why would he use a (in)famous Adolfism? Are we being prepped?

Paranoid mode.

Even paranoids have enemies.

Russia Deploys Warship Off Syrian Coast To "Destroy Any Threats To Russian Planes"

 

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Despite demands from France's Hollande, America's Obama, and NATO's Stoltenberg that this situation not esclate, it appears Putin is not taking the shooting down of a fighter jet lying down. The seemingly cagey confirmation by NATO and Obama of Turkey's claims that Russia invaded its airspace has been rebuked by Russia which claims the Hmeimim airbase radar shows the attacking Turkish plane violating Syrian airspace. In response, Russia is moving a Cruiser 'Moskva' off the coast to strengthen air-defenses - just as French and US carriers are on their way.

Here is The Turkish version mapping of the flight paths.

 

Russia claims otherwise:

  • HMEIMIM AIRBASE'S RADAR SYSTEM RECORDS VIOLATION OF SYRIAN AIRSPACE BY ATTACKING TURKISH WARPLANE - RUSSIAN DEFENSE MINISTRY

And is escalating:

  • RUSSIAN 'MOSKVA" CRUISER TO GO TO AREA IN COASTAL LATAKIA TO STRENGTHEN AIR DEFENSE IN SYRIA - RUSSIAN DEFENSE MINISTRY

The Missile cruiser in question:

The reason for the deployment:

  • RUSSIAN ARMED FORCES GENERAL STAFF: NONE OF OUR PARTNERS, COUNTRIES FIGHTING ISIL HAVE EVER TOLD US THAT SO-CALLED MODERATE OPPOSITION UNITS WERE IN AREA WHERE SU-24 DOWNED
  • NO ATTEMPTS REGISTERED ON PART OF TURKISH PLANE TO GET IN TOUCH OR ESTABLISH VISUAL CONTACT WITH OUR CREW VIA OBJECTVE CONTROL DEVICES - RUSSIAN DEFENSE MINSTRY
  • WARSHIP TO DESTROY ANY THREATS SEEN TO RUSSIAN PLANES: IFX

Specifically, as RT reports, the steps announced by Russian top brass as the following:Three steps as announced by top brass:

  1. Each and every strike groups’ operation is to be carried out under the guise of fighter jets
  2. Air defense to be boosted with the deployment of Moskva guided missile cruiser off Latakia coast with an aim to destroy any target that may pose danger
  3. Military contacts with Turkey to be suspended

Just like the downing of flight MH17 over Ukraine, it has quickly become a case of "he said, she said":

Rudskoy said the Russian warplane did not violate Turkish airspace. Additionally, according to the Hmeymim airfield radar, it was the Turkish fighter jet that actually entered Syrian airspace as it attacked the Russian bomber. The Turkish fighter jet made no attempts to contact Russian pilots before attacking the bomber, Rudskoy added.

“We assume the strike was carried out with a close range missile with an infra-red seeker,” Rudskoy said. “The Turkish jet made no attempts to communicate or establish visual contact with our crew that our equipment would have registered. The Su-24 was hit by a missile over Syria’s territory."

Sergey Rudskoy, a top official with the Russian General Staff, condemned the attack on the Russian bomber in Syrian airspace by a Turkish fighter jet as “a severe violation of international law”. He stressed that the Su-24 was downed over the Syrian territory. The crash site was four kilometers away from the Turkish border, he said.

As a result, Russia now plans to implement new measures aimed at strengthening the security of the country’s air base in Syria and in particular to bolster air defense. Russian guided missile cruiser Moskva, equipped with the ‘Fort’ air defense system, similar to the S-300, will be deployed off Latakia province's coast.

"We warn that every target posing a potential threat will be destroyed,” lieutenant general Sergey Rudskoy said during the briefing.

“All military contacts with Turkey will be suspended,” he added.

Furthermore, as the Russian Ministry of Defense explained, going forward, any Turkish plane that enters Syrian airspace will be fair game.

And again, all this is happening as both the French carrier de Gaulle and the US carrier CVN-75 USS Harry S. Truman are on their way to a very dangerous rendezvous off the Syrian coast.

So just as we warned in September, the situation has become a complete rerun of the 2013 Syria "Mediterranean" showdown, with full naval engagement by all parties, except this time the tensions are significantly escalated, a Russian fighter jet has just been taken down, US and French aircraft carriers are arriving in weeks, and Putin will not hesitate to go as far as he has to in order to save face.

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Re: WW3??
« Reply #26 on: November 25, 2015, 10:20:09 AM »
Putin is angry.  "The incident will have grave consequences".

https://www.rt.com/news/323262-putin-downing-plane-syria/
Putin: Downing of Russian jet over Syria stab in the back by terrorist accomplices
24 Nov, 2015

Turkey backstabbed Russia by downing the Russian warplane and acted as accomplices of the terrorists, Russian President Vladimir Putin said.

"Stabbed in the back", hmmmmmmmmmm I'm sure I've heard that wording before. Now I'm sure Vlad knows his history so why would he use a (in)famous Adolfism? Are we being prepped?

Paranoid mode.

I'll worry about Putin the day he decides to let loose with nukes, until then he is just the largest goldfish in the bowl...sitting inside the stomach of a shark.
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Re: WW3??
« Reply #27 on: November 25, 2015, 01:33:39 PM »
Turkey must be crazy or very incompetent

Russia's Gazprom is by far the largest single supplier of natural gas into Turkey accounting for 57% of total supply in 2013, and Turkey is Russia's second-largest export market for natural gas, after Germany.



Turkey’s Intentions Behind the Downing of a Russian Jet (1/2) https://youtu.be/UwBITdEPCKE

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« Reply #28 on: November 25, 2015, 03:06:46 PM »
Turkey must be crazy or very incompetent

There are other alternatives. Not that other countries understand the locale that the Turks reside in.

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Re: WW3??
« Reply #29 on: November 25, 2015, 03:29:46 PM »
Turkey must be crazy or very incompetent

Russia's Gazprom is by far the largest single supplier of natural gas into Turkey accounting for 57% of total supply in 2013, and Turkey is Russia's second-largest export market for natural gas, after Germany.



Turkey’s Intentions Behind the Downing of a Russian Jet (1/2) https://youtu.be/UwBITdEPCKE

The U.S. and its allies know that the jig is almost up for ISIS in Syria, especially once the buffer zone in the north between Latakia and the Kurdish region, through which resupplies flow, is re-occupied by the government. The aim of ousting Assad and retaining hegemony in that part of the world will be left in pieces. The shooting-down of the Russian jet must be understood as a desperate move on the West's part to prevent this certainty. The question is will Russia blink now and deviate from the plan?
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