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This is a bizarre twist on banking reform, imho. For starters, it assumes some things that are not, and never have been true....

Like the Fed was established to benefit the people in the first place. Like the Fed is a real federal agency, like the Treasury or Transportation. Like the problem is just one of getting the proper oversight, rather than a fundamental flaw in the way money is created. Bernie is trying to tell us a little white lie, for our own good, it seems.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/23/opinion/bernie-sanders-to-rein-in-wall-street-fix-the-fed.html?_r=1

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This is a bizarre twist on banking reform, imho. For starters, it assumes some things that are not, and never have been true....

Like the Fed was established to benefit the people in the first place. Like the Fed is a real federal agency, like the Treasury or Transportation. Like the problem is just one of getting the proper oversight, rather than a fundamental flaw in the way money is created. Bernie is trying to tell us a little white lie, for our own good, it seems.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/23/opinion/bernie-sanders-to-rein-in-wall-street-fix-the-fed.html?_r=1

Bernie missed the part about having to repeal the Federal Reserve Act to do any fixing at all.

Besides that, as I keep saying, we don't have a monetary problem, we have a resource depletion and population overshoot problem.  You can't fix that with any fix of the monetary system whatsoever.  All you might be able to do is a wealth redistribution scheme of some type, but to do that first off you would need to Nationalize all housing and then consolidate down, allowing each person say 1200 sq ft of living space.  2 people get 2400, then after that you get 600 sq ft per person since you all use common areas like kitchens and bathrooms.  Families and Friends can consolidate down, and then leftover McMansions can be divied up among the Homeless, matching up Homeless people via a Compatibility Analysis computer program like the dating agencies use.  We can probably get rid of half the housing waste this way and bring people closer together and to their workplaces, requiring less driving, plus more potential for car pooling.  All the Homeless get housed also this way.  Community sizes should be small enough that you can get around easily on a Bicycle or Ewz, say 5-10 miles in Radius.  A small city like Springfield, MO is already set up this way, and there are many other medium to small cities and towns that could work.


Then you require every Housing Unit to do Urban or Suburban Gardening and build greenhouses from the scavenged materials of the abandoned McMansions and Carz.  there is plenty of automotive glass sitting in junkyards everywhere.  50% of the food for the Community should be grown on site, and then another 25% within 50 miles.  25% can come from further out shipped in by boat and rail.

All electricity should be Community Generated, no Grid power past the small grid of your community.  You can use methane digesters to produce gas to run some engines when necessary, add in solar and wind and micro-hydro if there is a suitable large stream or small river flowing in the area, and there would generally need to be in order to have a steady source of fresh water.  Total electricity per person available would be rationed on just what you can produce and when.  On bright sunny or windy days, you can charge your power tools and your Ewz and backup batts, on Cloudy and Windless days you have to use your own backup power sources.

OK, problems all solved now.  :icon_sunny:

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If Bernie wins and solves all our problems what will Diners do?  We will have to stop being Diners!

I had the thought of making grids in cities for bicycle freeways on five mile spacings once.  It would be cheap compared to roads for cars.  Having mass transit able to move riders with bikes between grid intersections would make bicycles a practical transportation system in any large city with reasonable weather for the healthy.   The way is there if the will is.

Socialism can be introduced into a capitalist system by means of the quaint notion of this thing called 'progressive taxes'.  For the extreme poor negative taxes would be imposed on their difference in housing value from a national standard in some formula which also considers income.  Nationalization is not necessary and changes can be made at a rate chosen so a minimum of social disruption is achieved.  The way exists but outside of conversations with Noam Chomsky the will is not there.

Had technology not enabled mass media and the corporate rich to hijack everyone's mind America would have already achieved social democracy and relative equality through taxes.  We would have socialized medicine like other advanced countries do now.

Instead we are in a bizzaro world where tax breaks are given to the rich instead of the poor.  Technology gave us in inverted socialism instead. 
« Last Edit: December 24, 2015, 01:08:02 PM by K-Dog »
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1200 sq ft per person is way more than needed. My one-bedroom apartment is about 600 sq.ft. and is bigger than I need. Other same sized apartments in this complex hold 2 to 4 people.

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1200 sq ft per person is way more than needed. My one-bedroom apartment is about 600 sq.ft. and is bigger than I need. Other same sized apartments in this complex hold 2 to 4 people.

I was being generous.  My digs are about 1000 sq ft and easily double what I reasonably need.  However, there is so much spare capacity out there I don't think you would have too much problem allocating 1200 per person and still cut the total inhabited housing by half.

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I would make bunk beds 4 high   and each bunk would be shared by 3 people who get 8 hrs each thus using dwindling resources most economically. No need for resources wasted on making or powering alarm clocks as the next guy to get some sleep will wake u up.

Because i have the best ideas i need to be visibly distinguished so others all know im important and in charge as the chief, so i get my own room and double bed, which i will share with all hot women because my superior genes should be spread and for some reason they like a man with more of everything, and so it all starts again. Self interest in the human condition  is as set in stone as the guiding principles and solutions set out in the guidestones.
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If Bernie wins and solves all our problems what will Diners do?  We will have to stop being Diners!

I had the thought of making grids in cities for bicycle freeways on five mile spacings once.  It would be cheap compared to roads for cars.  Having mass transit able to move riders with bikes between grid intersections would make bicycles a practical transportation system in any large city with reasonable weather for the healthy.   The way is there if the will is.

Socialism can be introduced into a capitalist system by means of the quaint notion of this thing called 'progressive taxes'.  For the extreme poor negative taxes would be imposed on their difference in housing value from a national standard in some formula which also considers income.  Nationalization is not necessary and changes can be made at a rate chosen so a minimum of social disruption is achieved.  The way exists but outside of conversations with Noam Chomsky the will is not there.

Had technology not enabled mass media and the corporate rich to hijack everyone's mind America would have already achieved social democracy and relative equality through taxes.  We would have socialized medicine like other advanced countries do now.

Instead we are in a bizzaro world where tax breaks are given to the rich instead of the poor.  Technology gave us in inverted socialism instead. 
.    These are excellent suggestions put forth by sane idealists wishing to create a livable answer to our  deep problems of resource depletion and environment destruction. However, the reality is that Bernie Sanders will never be accepted as electable for a majority of American voters and if he were would undoubtedly be eliminated in even shorter order than JFK. A socialistic fed is an oxymoron for starters and secondly a populace that just isn't able to parce it anyway because of its lack of education in every area. Has there ever been a"peaceful" revolution towards sharing resources without a civil war and some sort of dictatorship first?  How do we get there non violently? With the deep state that is running everything at present it is more likely that without a battle to overturn the "dark side" saner heads will not prevail to bring about a more livable state of affairs. Just who can bell the cat? In my humble opinion it ain't gonna be OLD Bernie!

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I would make bunk beds 4 high   and each bunk would be shared by 3 people who get 8 hrs each thus using dwindling resources most economically. No need for resources wasted on making or powering alarm clocks as the next guy to get some sleep will wake u up.

Because i have the best ideas i need to be visibly distinguished so others all know im important and in charge as the chief, so i get my own room and double bed, which i will share with all hot women because my superior genes should be spread and for some reason they like a man with more of everything, and so it all starts again. Self interest in the human condition  is as set in stone as the guiding principles and solutions set out in the guidestones.
I would make bunk beds 4 high   and each bunk would be shared by 3 people who get 8 hrs each thus using dwindling resources most economically. No need for resources wasted on making or powering alarm clocks as the next guy to get some sleep will wake u up.

Because i have the best ideas i need to be visibly distinguished so others all know im important and in charge as the chief, so i get my own room and double bed, which i will share with all hot women because my superior genes should be spread and for some reason they like a man with more of everything, and so it all starts again. Self interest in the human condition  is as set in stone as the guiding principles and solutions set out in the guidestones.
.  Man, you are so correct!  And what a sense of humor! As always, I just take justice too seriously.

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I would make bunk beds 4 high   and each bunk would be shared by 3 people who get 8 hrs each thus using dwindling resources most economically. No need for resources wasted on making or powering alarm clocks as the next guy to get some sleep will wake u up.

Because i have the best ideas i need to be visibly distinguished so others all know im important and in charge as the chief, so i get my own room and double bed, which i will share with all hot women because my superior genes should be spread and for some reason they like a man with more of everything, and so it all starts again. Self interest in the human condition  is as set in stone as the guiding principles and solutions set out in the guidestones.

Good work Chief. Keep the tribe in tow.

When I show up for my monthly visit and tax collections make sure the babes are all properly graded as to hotness. 1 through 10, Ten being the hottest. grades 9 and ten will be going back to headquarters with me to join the harem residing behind my castle.

The taxes had better be all there and the babes graded Precisely, if you like the job of Chief. Just one little fuck up and holding a hottie back for yourself and it's curtains. Oddjob will take over your room and conjugal duties, and you will spend your nights smelling Farts in the bunkhouse.

A Word To the Wise is Sufficient. Stay on the Right side of Socialism my loyal squad leader. Socialism is great when your a Chief, isn't it.?
                                                                             
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I would make bunk beds 4 high   and each bunk would be shared by 3 people who get 8 hrs each thus using dwindling resources most economically. No need for resources wasted on making or powering alarm clocks as the next guy to get some sleep will wake u up.

Because i have the best ideas i need to be visibly distinguished so others all know im important and in charge as the chief, so i get my own room and double bed, which i will share with all hot women because my superior genes should be spread and for some reason they like a man with more of everything, and so it all starts again. Self interest in the human condition  is as set in stone as the guiding principles and solutions set out in the guidestones.

Actually, it should be precisely opposite.  Leaders should have the smallest quarters and should take a vow of celibacy and poverty.  Sort of like Jesus Christ.  He was the ultimate Socialist leader.

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If Bernie wins and solves all our problems what will Diners do?  We will have to stop being Diners!

I had the thought of making grids in cities for bicycle freeways on five mile spacings once.  It would be cheap compared to roads for cars.  Having mass transit able to move riders with bikes between grid intersections would make bicycles a practical transportation system in any large city with reasonable weather for the healthy.   The way is there if the will is.

Socialism can be introduced into a capitalist system by means of the quaint notion of this thing called 'progressive taxes'.  For the extreme poor negative taxes would be imposed on their difference in housing value from a national standard in some formula which also considers income.  Nationalization is not necessary and changes can be made at a rate chosen so a minimum of social disruption is achieved.  The way exists but outside of conversations with Noam Chomsky the will is not there.

Had technology not enabled mass media and the corporate rich to hijack everyone's mind America would have already achieved social democracy and relative equality through taxes.  We would have socialized medicine like other advanced countries do now.

Instead we are in a bizzaro world where tax breaks are given to the rich instead of the poor.  Technology gave us in inverted socialism instead. 
.    These are excellent suggestions put forth by sane idealists wishing to create a livable answer to our  deep problems of resource depletion and environment destruction. However, the reality is that Bernie Sanders will never be accepted as electable for a majority of American voters and if he were would undoubtedly be eliminated in even shorter order than JFK. A socialistic fed is an oxymoron for starters and secondly a populace that just isn't able to parce it anyway because of its lack of education in every area. Has there ever been a"peaceful" revolution towards sharing resources without a civil war and some sort of dictatorship first?  How do we get there non violently? With the deep state that is running everything at present it is more likely that without a battle to overturn the "dark side" saner heads will not prevail to bring about a more livable state of affairs. Just who can bell the cat? In my humble opinion it ain't gonna be OLD Bernie!

You are not telling me anything I don't already know.  It is an irony that ninety years ago America had strong progressive socialist politics but:

“History is written by the victors.” - Walter Benjamin

A socialistic fed was an oxymoron then too.  I have blogged myself that the deep state will take Bernie out if he gets too close to the oval office.  Flying reptiles will again prevail.

Education then was different.  The thought wiping video image was but a crude curiosity.  Video technology was just beginning to invade people's heads and begin sucking out their brains.  Now the end result is upon us and our population is docile and mentally fallow.  Oblivious to poets on subway walls; for them to parse is a farce.  To expect them to understand socialism would be the same as expecting desert rain from a blue sky.

Asking if a revolution towards sharing resources has ever been peaceful or not is meaningless since there never has been a revolution towards sharing resources before.  The yoke of tyranny has been thrown off at times and called many things.  In the confusion tyranny often returns.  The cat has claws and likes bells not.
« Last Edit: December 24, 2015, 11:59:12 PM by K-Dog »
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Flying reptiles will again prevail.


Plagiarism. A Direct quote from Mr Kunstler, your hero's latest blog entry pooch.

I'm surprised at you Rover.   ::) :o

Quote JHK's latest blog article.          "Then there’s the giant flying reptile known simply as Hillary. She will blow up the sad and noisome remains of the Democratic party and then she will preside over the blow-up of the USA as an advanced techno-industrial society. That final outcome may be inevitable one way or another, but the journey there need not be so harsh. America needs a vision of something other than itself as a permanent demolition derby, which, by the way, will not be “solved” by pushing everyone into a Tesla instead of a Ford F-150."

                                                   

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Flying reptiles will again prevail.


Plagiarism. A Direct quote from Mr Kunstler, your hero's latest blog entry pooch.

JHK Plagiarized it from this Newz Story in 2013:

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Winged Reptile Like Creature Filmed Over Bustamante Park, Santiago, Chile - Oct 9, 2013

Bat-like wings, a beak full of razor sharp teeth, tearing claws, a long tail with a flanged end, is this flying reptile a figment of the imagination? Or does it provide living proof that pre-historic creatures still exist today.

On 29 September around 21:00 hours near Bustamante Park in the downtown area, a strange flying creature was seen flying from one tree to another. Its size was estimated at around 2 meters tall and shaped like a manta ray.

JHK does not have a copyright on Flying Reptiles.

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JHK does not have a copyright on Flying Reptiles.

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Perhaps if you ever decide to learn how to read, rather than discredit me, you would comprehend the context of the discussion is clearly the current political situation.

You could also make believe some one rather than GO made the observation, and then it would not need any correcting.

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JHK does not have a copyright on Flying Reptiles.

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Perhaps if you ever decide to learn how to read, rather than discredit me, you would comprehend the context of the discussion is clearly the current political situation.

You could also make believe some one rather than GO made the observation, and then it would not need any correcting.
  It might be suggested that if the context of the discussion is clearly the political situation, then the back handed slap at K Dog, one of the more sincere contributors, was certainly unnecessary, trivial, off topic and out of line!

 

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