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Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
« Reply #60 on: November 28, 2016, 01:05:33 PM »


Yes, I'm a psychopath (to address the other poster) - and 100 other things, none of which actually exist. Want to keep playing the labels game? Let me help you out since, based on the garbage coming out of the mouths here, you seem to have no idea what language is:

I want you to give me the exact dynamic configurations of matter that, in their interactions, would produce something to which the label "psychopath" applies. I want you to specify this exact fucking subset out of the entire superset of matter interactions that comprise our entire Universe (the full set being the full life of the Universe itself as far as I know for now). I also demand a fundamental theoretical account of the phenomenon, which is needed to justify the label as this theory will explain why other subsets don't give rise to this phenomenon. Until you can do this - take your labels and choke on them.

Oh wait - you're already doing that to yourself.

We done playing games? Can I just make the fucking goat cheese and shovel snow now?

You seem pretty angry to me, and you also haven't made much sense.  So I won't call you a Nihilist or a psychopath, I'll just say you seem like those things to me based on what you've typed so far. 

You've said we are all ignorant and nothing but garbage is coming out of our mouths...just in the above quoted post of yours.  Who's playing games? 

As far as your requests goes...errr...I don't even know where to begin answering that.  Best I can tell it's the blathering of an angry Nihilist.  Not that you are one...I mean I don't want to be accused of "name calling."  I don't know who you are, but I know you should chill out some.

It appears to me that CW is decompensating.  On the text level, he reminds me of the woman who lives above me who periodical goes into long fits of yelling at...nobody because she lives alone.  You can't really understand most of what she is yelling about, because there is no intonation and no pauses between words.  You do pick up on the "fucks" and "shits" though.  lol.  Not sure if it is Tourette's or Schizophrenia or maybe both.  Periodically I have the desire to go upstairs, knock on the door and tell her to STFU and get back on her meds, but then I think better of it because overall she is no danger to anyone except perhaps herself.

Now, to CW, when I invited you in here I told you that you could take any POV you wanted including Nihilism, but I also told you that you had to be respectful of the other Diners.  Calling people ignorant is not being respectful.  It's also none of our faults that Knarf is walkabout, he lives in a monastery and if he doesn't feel like talking to anyone, he doesn't have to.  In fact they don't even talk to each other there that much from what I have gathered in the past.  Beyond that, if you tried to get him to respond to any of the rants you have so far put up, he would at best ignore them but more likely simply go walkabout again.  Your communication method is (to put it mildly) somewhat annoying.  lol.

Anyhow, try not to wear out your welcome too quickly.  ::)

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Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
« Reply #61 on: November 28, 2016, 01:10:50 PM »

I can play shakuhachi  ;)

Now you're talking.
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Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
« Reply #62 on: November 28, 2016, 01:11:24 PM »


I've given up on humans. Not the Universe (or at least the Multiverse). Huge difference. As has been noted (Cormac McCarthy play), the reason there are millions of planets (lot more actually) is because some species lay millions of eggs (or some such). Guess what kind of egg we are? The kind that doesn't hatch.

You're the one who can't get over "nihilism", which is just a word. Would you like living in a house with psychopaths your whole life? Would you say the point in such a situation is to "stay alive" so you can fuck and look out the window at a pretty tree and raise kids to live alongside the psychopaths? You people are out of your fucking minds.

You are human no?  You've given up on humans yes?  So you have given up on yourself...unless you are not human. 

Nihilism is not just a word, it's a word that designates a philosophy.  A philosophy that believes in nothing. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihilism

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Nihilism is a philosophical doctrine that suggests the lack of belief in one or more reputedly meaningful aspects of life. Most commonly, nihilism is presented in the form of existential nihilism, which argues that life is without objective meaning, purpose, or intrinsic value.[1] Moral nihilists assert that morality does not inherently exist, and that any established moral values are abstractly contrived. Nihilism can also take epistemological, ontological, or metaphysical forms, meaning respectively that, in some aspect, knowledge is not possible, or that reality does not actually exist.

Also, you used the term "psychopath" here and then went on some unintelligible rant about how I needed to crack the code of existence to explain what the term means. 

Then you state that "you people are out of your fucking minds."  Yet somehow my suggesting that you are a nihilist and possible psychopathic is out of order?  Yet we are all ignorant and out of our minds? 

By the way, welcome to the Diner.

Yes, to give up on humans would be to give up on one's self. Does the supposed semantic content of my writing actually reflect the dynamic of this forum conversation? You don't think there's more meaning in our interaction than the marks we've scribbled? Sticks and stones may break your bones, but words seem to ruin people.

Nihilism isn't just a word, but it's a philosophy? And that makes philosophy not just a word then? Philosophy has become the creation of self-satisfying false edifice. Meaning is in dynamic. I've always wanted to "kill" philosophy, but how do you kill something dead?

It's a pleasure to be at the Diner. You are the wisest people I've had the pleasure to talk to.

If you don't have some type of philosophy than I think by default you are indeed a nihilist since that's pretty much what the philosophy of nihilism is about. 

We can't communicate without words.  You are on a forum that requires us to use words to communicate.  Words are just words...yes...but they are meant to convey meaning.  A word is meaningless without many other words to define it.  A philosophy is composed of many words.  Words making ideas possible. 

I'm not sure what you are gaming at. 

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Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
« Reply #63 on: November 28, 2016, 01:12:18 PM »
Dude, you seem to be a nihilist to me.  Possibly not a nihilist but perhaps a psychopath?  Just judging on the things you've said on this thread.
Dude!  No need for name calling....  CW seems pretty reasonable....

I haven't had this much fun here since Ashvin last defended Christianity....

I disagree with his reasonableness so far.  It's great to have a new personality on the Diner...he most certainly has personality.  I don't think I was name calling though.  That would be more like saying we are all ignorant...which I haven't said.  Somebody here on this thread did say that however. 

Also, I agree, this could get fun depending on how things go.  Ashvin defending Christianity was a gas to be sure.

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Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
« Reply #64 on: November 28, 2016, 01:13:33 PM »
No....

I'm sure that's okay.
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Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
« Reply #65 on: November 28, 2016, 01:14:17 PM »

I can play shakuhachi  ;)

Now you're talking.

I don't just play shakuhachi...I also make shakuhachi...and grow the bamboo to make shakuhachi. 

Shakuhachi being a zen activity that requires no words.  Just perfection in sound through bamboo. 

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Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
« Reply #66 on: November 28, 2016, 01:18:16 PM »


Yes, I'm a psychopath (to address the other poster) - and 100 other things, none of which actually exist. Want to keep playing the labels game? Let me help you out since, based on the garbage coming out of the mouths here, you seem to have no idea what language is:

I want you to give me the exact dynamic configurations of matter that, in their interactions, would produce something to which the label "psychopath" applies. I want you to specify this exact fucking subset out of the entire superset of matter interactions that comprise our entire Universe (the full set being the full life of the Universe itself as far as I know for now). I also demand a fundamental theoretical account of the phenomenon, which is needed to justify the label as this theory will explain why other subsets don't give rise to this phenomenon. Until you can do this - take your labels and choke on them.

Oh wait - you're already doing that to yourself.

We done playing games? Can I just make the fucking goat cheese and shovel snow now?

You seem pretty angry to me, and you also haven't made much sense.  So I won't call you a Nihilist or a psychopath, I'll just say you seem like those things to me based on what you've typed so far. 

You've said we are all ignorant and nothing but garbage is coming out of our mouths...just in the above quoted post of yours.  Who's playing games? 

As far as your requests goes...errr...I don't even know where to begin answering that.  Best I can tell it's the blathering of an angry Nihilist.  Not that you are one...I mean I don't want to be accused of "name calling."  I don't know who you are, but I know you should chill out some.

It appears to me that CW is decompensating.  On the text level, he reminds me of the woman who lives above me who periodical goes into long fits of yelling at...nobody because she lives alone.  You can't really understand most of what she is yelling about, because there is no intonation and no pauses between words.  You do pick up on the "fucks" and "shits" though.  lol.  Not sure if it is Tourette's or Schizophrenia or maybe both.  Periodically I have the desire to go upstairs, knock on the door and tell her to STFU and get back on her meds, but then I think better of it because overall she is no danger to anyone except perhaps herself.

Now, to CW, when I invited you in here I told you that you could take any POV you wanted including Nihilism, but I also told you that you had to be respectful of the other Diners.  Calling people ignorant is not being respectful.  It's also none of our faults that Knarf is walkabout, he lives in a monastery and if he doesn't feel like talking to anyone, he doesn't have to.  In fact they don't even talk to each other there that much from what I have gathered in the past.  Beyond that, if you tried to get him to respond to any of the rants you have so far put up, he would at best ignore them but more likely simply go walkabout again.  Your communication method is (to put it mildly) somewhat annoying.  lol.

Anyhow, try not to wear out your welcome too quickly.  ::)

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I'm afraid if you find this too much then this isn't the place for me. Of course - I don't believe what you're saying. It doesn't make sense.

You could say anything at all - call me any name. Post any rant. Whatever. How come I can handle it?

The swearing stays until you're used to it or you can ban me. I'll probably head to Missouri in any case.

Fuck you. Fuck me. Words words words ...
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Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
« Reply #67 on: November 28, 2016, 01:20:44 PM »
If knarf doesn't understand my communication methods then perhaps he can come stay in my apartment. I have room. He can have the air mattress so he's comfortable, and I'll go back to the floor.

Should we keep comparing ourselves? It seems terribly useful ...
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Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
« Reply #68 on: November 28, 2016, 01:22:51 PM »


I've given up on humans. Not the Universe (or at least the Multiverse). Huge difference. As has been noted (Cormac McCarthy play), the reason there are millions of planets (lot more actually) is because some species lay millions of eggs (or some such). Guess what kind of egg we are? The kind that doesn't hatch.

You're the one who can't get over "nihilism", which is just a word. Would you like living in a house with psychopaths your whole life? Would you say the point in such a situation is to "stay alive" so you can fuck and look out the window at a pretty tree and raise kids to live alongside the psychopaths? You people are out of your fucking minds.

You are human no?  You've given up on humans yes?  So you have given up on yourself...unless you are not human. 

Nihilism is not just a word, it's a word that designates a philosophy.  A philosophy that believes in nothing. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihilism

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Nihilism is a philosophical doctrine that suggests the lack of belief in one or more reputedly meaningful aspects of life. Most commonly, nihilism is presented in the form of existential nihilism, which argues that life is without objective meaning, purpose, or intrinsic value.[1] Moral nihilists assert that morality does not inherently exist, and that any established moral values are abstractly contrived. Nihilism can also take epistemological, ontological, or metaphysical forms, meaning respectively that, in some aspect, knowledge is not possible, or that reality does not actually exist.

Also, you used the term "psychopath" here and then went on some unintelligible rant about how I needed to crack the code of existence to explain what the term means. 

Then you state that "you people are out of your fucking minds."  Yet somehow my suggesting that you are a nihilist and possible psychopathic is out of order?  Yet we are all ignorant and out of our minds? 

By the way, welcome to the Diner.

Yes, to give up on humans would be to give up on one's self. Does the supposed semantic content of my writing actually reflect the dynamic of this forum conversation? You don't think there's more meaning in our interaction than the marks we've scribbled? Sticks and stones may break your bones, but words seem to ruin people.

Nihilism isn't just a word, but it's a philosophy? And that makes philosophy not just a word then? Philosophy has become the creation of self-satisfying false edifice. Meaning is in dynamic. I've always wanted to "kill" philosophy, but how do you kill something dead?

It's a pleasure to be at the Diner. You are the wisest people I've had the pleasure to talk to.

If you don't have some type of philosophy than I think by default you are indeed a nihilist since that's pretty much what the philosophy of nihilism is about. 

We can't communicate without words.  You are on a forum that requires us to use words to communicate.  Words are just words...yes...but they are meant to convey meaning.  A word is meaningless without many other words to define it.  A philosophy is composed of many words.  Words making ideas possible. 

I'm not sure what you are gaming at.

We need adaptive narratives, not philosophy. No time to explain. Then you can say "But isn't that the same as a philosophy?!"

Or we can try to pass on human experience using the clumsy tools we have without categorizing them.
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Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
« Reply #69 on: November 28, 2016, 01:23:55 PM »

I can play shakuhachi  ;)

Now you're talking.

I don't just play shakuhachi...I also make shakuhachi...and grow the bamboo to make shakuhachi. 

Shakuhachi being a zen activity that requires no words.  Just perfection in sound through bamboo.

I feel you're more "useful" than me then. I know I shouldn't feel this way, but it's a hard thing to learn.
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Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
« Reply #70 on: November 28, 2016, 01:32:07 PM »

I'm afraid if you find this too much then this isn't the place for me. Of course - I don't believe what you're saying. It doesn't make sense.

You could say anything at all - call me any name. Post any rant. Whatever. How come I can handle it?

The swearing stays until you're used to it or you can ban me. I'll probably head to Missouri in any case.

Fuck you. Fuck me. Words words words ...

If what we are saying doesn't make sense to you, then you are wasting your time here.  It would be like going to a forum where everything was in Sanskrit, but you don't know Sanskrit.

Far as handling being called any name is concerned, ust about all of us have been called names at one point or another and we all handle it in our own ways.  Your way apparently is to go on the attack.  You apparently have a desire to make everyone dislike you, which probably goes back a long ways.  You told me you were a "juvenile delinquent", and nobody likes those even though they are kids.

On the banning issue, I'll just give you a time out if you cause enough havoc.  Right now, I think at least a few of the Diners including myself are enjoying the decompensation exhibition.  :icon_sunny:

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Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
« Reply #71 on: November 28, 2016, 01:34:59 PM »

I can play shakuhachi  ;)

Now you're talking.

I don't just play shakuhachi...I also make shakuhachi...and grow the bamboo to make shakuhachi. 

Shakuhachi being a zen activity that requires no words.  Just perfection in sound through bamboo.

I feel you're more "useful" than me then. I know I shouldn't feel this way, but it's a hard thing to learn.

Yes, it's very difficult to learn to play shakuhachi.  Yet anybody can do it.  You just have to develop an appropriate embouchure, and that is developed via blowing onto the uta guchi until sound is made.  It just takes dedication and a lot of blowing while making only whistling sounds.  Eventually one's embouchure is sufficiently developed and sound begins to spring forth from the shakuhachi. 

Making is difficult to.  I have a mentor from Japan who is teaching me how.  I've made two flutes so far with his assistance.  The next I will make without his assistance...sort of a test I think.  I also split bamboo with a traditional Japanese blade for the purposes of weaving basketry.  This winter I'll be learning to craft with bamboo. 

I'm a bit bamboo crazy. 

I'm no more useful than you are.  We all have a purpose for being alive.  At least that is part of my own philosophy.  I find it much more hopeful than nihilism. 

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Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
« Reply #72 on: November 28, 2016, 01:38:25 PM »
We need adaptive narratives, not philosophy. No time to explain. Then you can say "But isn't that the same as a philosophy?!"

Or we can try to pass on human experience using the clumsy tools we have without categorizing them.


Oh, I get it now.


`You should learn not to make personal remarks,’ Alice said with some severity; `it’s very rude.’

The Hatter opened his eyes very wide on hearing this; but all he SAID was, `Why is a raven like a writing-desk?’

`Come, we shall have some fun now!’ thought Alice. `I’m glad they’ve begun asking riddles.–I believe I can guess that,’ she added aloud.

`Do you mean that you think you can find out the answer to it?’ said the March Hare.

`Exactly so,’ said Alice.

`Then you should say what you mean,’ the March Hare went on.

`I do,’ Alice hastily replied; `at least–at least I mean what I say–that’s the same thing, you know.’

`Not the same thing a bit!’ said the Hatter. `You might just as well say that “I see what I eat” is the same thing as “I eat what I see”!’

`You might just as well say,’ added the March Hare, `that “I like what I get” is the same thing as “I get what I like”!’

`You might just as well say,’ added the Dormouse, who seemed to be talking in his sleep, `that “I breathe when I sleep” is the same thing as “I sleep when I breathe”!’

`It IS the same thing with you,’ said the Hatter, and here the conversation dropped, and the party sat silent for a minute, while Alice thought over all she could remember about ravens and writing-desks, which wasn’t much.

The Hatter was the first to break the silence. `What day of the month is it?’ he said, turning to Alice: he had taken his watch out of his pocket, and was looking at it uneasily, shaking it every now and then, and holding it to his ear.

Alice considered a little, and then said `The fourth.’

`Two days wrong!’ sighed the Hatter. `I told you butter wouldn’t suit the works!’ he added looking angrily at the March Hare.

`It was the BEST butter,’ the March Hare meekly replied.

`Yes, but some crumbs must have got in as well,’ the Hatter grumbled: `you shouldn’t have put it in with the bread-knife.’

The March Hare took the watch and looked at it gloomily: then he dipped it into his cup of tea, and looked at it again: but he could think of nothing better to say than his first remark, `It was the BEST butter, you know.’

Alice had been looking over his shoulder with some curiosity. `What a funny watch!’ she remarked. `It tells the day of the month, and doesn’t tell what o’clock it is!’

`Why should it?’ muttered the Hatter. `Does YOUR watch tell you what year it is?’

`Of course not,’ Alice replied very readily: `but that’s because it stays the same year for such a long time together.’

`Which is just the case with MINE,’ said the Hatter.

Alice felt dreadfully puzzled. The Hatter’s remark seemed to have no sort of meaning in it, and yet it was certainly English. `I don’t quite understand you,’ she said, as politely as she could.

`The Dormouse is asleep again,’ said the Hatter, and he poured a little hot tea upon its nose.

The Dormouse shook its head impatiently, and said, without opening its eyes, `Of course, of course; just what I was going to remark myself.’

`Have you guessed the riddle yet?’ the Hatter said, turning to Alice again.

`No, I give it up,’ Alice replied: `what’s the answer?’

`I haven’t the slightest idea,’ said the Hatter.

`Nor I,’ said the March Hare




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Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
« Reply #73 on: November 28, 2016, 01:39:37 PM »

I'm afraid if you find this too much then this isn't the place for me. Of course - I don't believe what you're saying. It doesn't make sense.

You could say anything at all - call me any name. Post any rant. Whatever. How come I can handle it?

The swearing stays until you're used to it or you can ban me. I'll probably head to Missouri in any case.

Fuck you. Fuck me. Words words words ...

If what we are saying doesn't make sense to you, then you are wasting your time here.  It would be like going to a forum where everything was in Sanskrit, but you don't know Sanskrit.

Far as handling being called any name is concerned, ust about all of us have been called names at one point or another and we all handle it in our own ways.  Your way apparently is to go on the attack.  You apparently have a desire to make everyone dislike you, which probably goes back a long ways.  You told me you were a "juvenile delinquent", and nobody likes those even though they are kids.

On the banning issue, I'll just give you a time out if you cause enough havoc.  Right now, I think at least a few of the Diners including myself are enjoying the decompensation exhibition.  :icon_sunny:

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Why would you enjoy it? Isn't it petty to trivialize what society has done to the minds of so many people when you see the destruction it has wrought on the world. Is that what you do? Lure damaged people in here to watch them? I'm watching you too. You think this is a one way street?

Of course, I don't believe what you said. It simply makes no sense.
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Re: Anybody ever reach out to knarf?
« Reply #74 on: November 28, 2016, 01:42:33 PM »

I can play shakuhachi  ;)

Now you're talking.

I don't just play shakuhachi...I also make shakuhachi...and grow the bamboo to make shakuhachi. 

Shakuhachi being a zen activity that requires no words.  Just perfection in sound through bamboo.

I feel you're more "useful" than me then. I know I shouldn't feel this way, but it's a hard thing to learn.

Yes, it's very difficult to learn to play shakuhachi.  Yet anybody can do it.  You just have to develop an appropriate embouchure, and that is developed via blowing onto the uta guchi until sound is made.  It just takes dedication and a lot of blowing while making only whistling sounds.  Eventually one's embouchure is sufficiently developed and sound begins to spring forth from the shakuhachi. 

Making is difficult to.  I have a mentor from Japan who is teaching me how.  I've made two flutes so far with his assistance.  The next I will make without his assistance...sort of a test I think.  I also split bamboo with a traditional Japanese blade for the purposes of weaving basketry.  This winter I'll be learning to craft with bamboo. 

I'm a bit bamboo crazy. 

I'm no more useful than you are.  We all have a purpose for being alive.  At least that is part of my own philosophy.  I find it much more hopeful than nihilism.

All I can say is that I tried in my way to say I'm not a nihilist. Nihilism is a threat - the world damaged me, and I saw it damaging the world. Nihilism was my weapon. Can I put it down now?
Gotta go with the wrench. Because fuck you.

 

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