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Re: An Analysis of the FBI Video of the Road Block resulting in Lavoy Finicu
« Reply #30 on: February 16, 2016, 04:58:17 PM »
I hope they don't show up here with their DoS attacks.
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Re: An Analysis of the FBI Video of the Road Block resulting in Lavoy Finicu
« Reply #31 on: February 16, 2016, 06:55:46 PM »
I'm back. I got onto my router through a back door from another computer and replaced the configuration from a backup.

Main computer appears stable for now.

Sorry if this causes grief for you. I've spent quite a bit of time trying to get other sites that specialize in this type of material, most of whom have used my stuff in the past, to present this material. Only a couple of minor sites were takers.

I am duplicating this material on my dormant site at http://towardsabetterworld.com/blog/?s=lavoy If you prefer to link to it there that's ok with me.

I'm currently working on part 8 and have discovered a few strange things in the process.

The first thing I wanted to do in this next part was give everyone a detailed reference to the original file I am working on. To do this I went back through my history and found the listing of where I got the video on January 28, 2016. The link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAGxDWKrjPQ&app=desktop takes you to the FBI channel on YouTube.



At the top right of the video you can see Internet Download Manager's list of all the available resolutions of the video that can be downloaded. I chose the highest 480p mp4 version.

I decided to download the video again today February 16 2016 to compare the md5 of it to the one I got on on January 28th. To my surprise  there is a difference of 31mb in the file size. The jan 28 one is 154mb, the Feb 16 one is 123mb. I downloaded all the other  copies just to make sure I had gotten the right one but they were all even smaller.

I used exiftool to compare the exif data of the two versions and they were identical. No dates or specs were changed.  The total time of both remains the same. I haven't watched the copy I got today yet but I'm guessing they probably reduced the resolution to make it more difficult to see detail.

I'd be interested in knowing if anyone else has a copy they saved earlier on so we can compare the md5 of them.

Added: The note on the video clarifys one point on which I was wrong. The time shown of 00:25:35 is valid in the 24hr clock format. They note it is zulu time GMT not PST which is -8 hours or 4:25:35 PM PST. This is just before the shooting took place.
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Re: An Analysis of the FBI Video of the Road Block resulting in Lavoy Finicu
« Reply #32 on: February 18, 2016, 01:07:32 PM »
Prelude Part 8 - An Analysis of the FBI Video of the Road Block resulting in Lavoy Finicumís Death.



    Peter Offermann
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    February 18, 2016



    My original intent for part 8 was to briefly summarize what was presented in part 7 and fill in a few gaps such as showing the footprints in the snow  after Lavoy was dropped and then move on to the gunfire sequences. The close examination required to do the prep work for this brought forward some details I had previously missed which require quite a bit more time to document. Part 8 will remain on the shooting sequence and part 9 will cover the gunfire.



    Spoiler: You will need to view the video at as large a size as possible to see this. Near the point when Lavoy turns back towards the truck just before he is dropped watch the action around the 3 blockade trucks. There are only 2 people moving during the period. Do you notice anything unusual about them?



    Also during this close examination I came across some evidence that supports what I say in part 2.



    In part 2 I showed this blown up image of the truck supposedly immediately after it stops in the snow and Lavoy exits. The link below will allow you to open  a larger version.



   



    Click Here for larger version



    I found a frame after the authorities have surrounded Lavoy's body that presents the truck from almost an identical angle to when it first stopped. One of the agents had kindly opened the driver's door shortly before this. He can be seen doing this through the trees earlier in the video. His actions confirm Lavoy did not have the door fully open as the agent had to smack the door a couple of times against the crest of the snow wave caused by the truck , and push hard, to get the door to open about 1 to 1.5 ft further so it would remain open.



   



    The frame was underexposed and taken from closer in from the second camera platform so had much more detail.



    In order to do a comparison I first adjusted the exposure and contrast to be similar to the earlier image of the truck. I then cropped out the truck and reduced it in size from 254x254 pixels to 50x50 pixels. I did this to remove detail from the truck which approximated the lower resolution that a camera would capture from the location of the camera which took the original image. I tried varying different size reductions, both smaller and larger, than the 50x50 pixel resolution I chose. I then chose 50x50 because it gave the closest resemblance of enlargement artifacts once blown up to approximately the 1920x1804 size I blew up the original image to.



    For the final enlargement I used the same filter and settings as described in part 2.



   



    Click Here for larger version



    Do you see the major differences between these images where the big purple blob is in the original image. In the second image the detail artifacts in that area closely match those of the rest of the image and clearly show the post between the doors, the inside area of the cab at the drivers position as an identifiable area, the delineation between  the windshield and the top outline of the door, and light through the drivers door window. Even if Lavoy was standing somewhere in that area in this image the detail is good enough that we would be able to roughly identify his pose. All that detail is masked by the blob in the original image.



    So far in this assessment I hadn’t clearly identified which copy of the original file I was working from and wanted to clarify this.  In order to do that I went back through the history in my browser and found the listing of where I got it on January 29th, 2016.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAGxDWKrjPQ&app=desktop Clicking on the link took me to the screen below which is the FBIs Youtube Channel.



   



    Notice the box at the top right of the video. I use Internet Download Manager to get streaming media off the internet. The drop down from the bar shows all resolutions a particular video is available in.



    One of the reasons I wanted to clarify this information was that I wanted to see if it was possible to verify my version of the video against ones that other people have using an md5 hash. Out of curiosity to see if I would get the same md5 hash when downloading the same video a second time I downloaded the video again. In doing so I noticed a very strange thing.



    I keep an untouched safety copy of the original video I originally got off the fbi's site in a safe place and do all my work on copies made from it. When I compared this second downloaded copy to the first one the file was 31mb or 32,934,166 bytes smaller than the original  copy which is a substantial difference and which of course gives a totally different md5 hash as seen below. To confirm the md5 hash works properly I then downloaded  a third copy of the video from the same link. The md5 hashes are identical on the last 2 copies.



   



    In order to see the extended exif data of the new file I then used exiftool as I did on the first copy. The data is identical to the first file in all aspects including all dates and resolutions.



    I then watched the whole new version of the video and extracted frames out of it to compare them to frames from the original version for resolution or missing sections. In a preliminary run through I could not spot any differences.  What I suspect, and will confirm later if correct, by accurately comparing runtime and random frames is that they possibly removed some frames in a systematic fashion to hide something they did. Most video editing software allows you to do this easily.



    If you watch the area I suggested in the spoiler above you will notice something happening that suggests missing frames. Missing frames in only one section of video is very suspicious but if frames are missing in a continuous pattern throughout they are easily explained away.



    In order to do this you could tell an editing routine to only display 25 of every 30 fps instead of 30. You could then hide what you are doing by using a process called tweening to duplicate 5 out of every 30 frames to get the frame count back to where it was originally. The length of the video would stay the same but the compression process would be more efficient, reducing the file size,because there are now a bunch of duplicate frames that don't need to be stored separately, instead only referred to a single stored copy of the frame when extracting the frames for viewing. This will be difficult and tedious to prove but I will do it later if deemed necessary.



    CORRECTION FOR PART 1: The note on the video on the FBI’s site clarifies one point on which I was wrong. The time shown of 00:25:35 (25 minutes past midnight) is valid in the 24hr clock format. They note they uses zulu time (GMT) not PST which is -8 hours off GMT or 4:25:35 PM PST. This is just before the shooting took place.



    Back to work on Part 8...
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Re: An Analysis of the FBI Video of the Road Block resulting in Lavoy Finicu
« Reply #33 on: February 19, 2016, 02:15:07 PM »


   Peter Offermann
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   February 19, 2016

   Before we get back into examining the video of Lavoy's shooting I'd like to give you some indication of what the original resolution of the FBI video is likely to be quality wise. In order to do this I had a look at commercial grade surveillance cameras that had sample images.

   One commenter mentioned that 96 megapixel (mpx) cameras were routinely used in such instances. I'm not sure about that because there is a limiting factor. Yes there are 96 mpx cameras and well above that. To produce and save a single such very high resolution frame involves a significant amount of data, especially if you need to do this continuously 30 times per second (fps). These very high resolution cameras are likely found in satellites and high altitude surveillance applications that want to capture as much detail as possible but are not overly concerned about capturing live action at 30 fps.

   When you look at the specs of such cameras in the 16 mpx range, which is well below 96 mpx, the frame rate already drops to 4 frames per second. At 96 mpx these cameras are likely capturing a frame every few seconds.

   Looking at specifications I found that  3mpx cameras were the top resolution range of camera capable of sustaining 30 fps. To put that into focus that’s about what an ipad or iphone (1080p) front facing video captures. Even though the resolution is similar there is a major quality difference because of the much higher quality optics and optical zoom built into the surveillance cameras.

   To give you a visual sample of what the fbi are likely seeing in their version of this video I chose a representative camera called a Lumenera Le259C




   



   This 3mpx camera is capable of 30 fps with 32x optical zoom capability.

   The image shown below is full frame at non-zoom resolution. (click the image to see a full sized version)


   

   Notice the red circle I placed around a white pickup truck in a parking lot near the top right of the image. I chose this image as the truck is about the same size  as Lavoy's truck in the un-zoomed portions of the fbi video. An average city block is about 600 to 700 feet long and that is likely the distance the fbi camera was above the scene of Lavoy's shooting.

   Below is what the truck looks like with 32x zoom. (click the image to see a full sized version)

   

   The few actual, not fake, zooms in the fbi video display this level of zoom with no blurring. The manufacturer of the Lumenera Le259C also states there is no blurring of action.

   Youtube videos are now commonly available at this resolution (1080p) so the fbi could easily have presented the video at this original resolution and it would clearly have shown everyone what happened there. By the name of their video they implied they did this but what they actually did was reduced the resolution by 2/3 first, if not more. They have also obviously degraded the video even more in places through digital editing techniques.

   At the original resolution the close up image of the truck is about what we would see of the sequence where Lavoy is shot. Instead we see this.

   * The GIF below is 13mb in size and will take some time to load on slower connections.

   

   * The GIF above contains all 126 frames of this sequence which means the realtime period involved is 4.2 seconds. The display speed in your web page will vary according to the quality of your video card.

   The frame where Lavoy appears to fall backwards is the end of the sequence.

   Because of the large GIF size I'm going to break off this article here to reduce the bandwidth load on the website and continue on with my analysis in Part 8b on a new page.

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Re: An Analysis of the FBI Video of the Road Block resulting in Lavoy Finicu
« Reply #34 on: February 20, 2016, 11:39:01 AM »
So, what we can say with some certainty is that the FBI is arrogant enough to release video footage of an operation in which they stepped over the line and exceeded their authority, video footage they claim is "live and uncensored", although it has been altered both in terms of quality and content, and specifically edited to shape public opinion in their favor.

They think it doesn't matter that any number of people who work with digital media are capable of showing their lies, because by the time the truth comes out, the general public will have forgotten the whole episode...or perhaps they think nobody is smart enough to catch them out and call them out at all.

Or it will just be their experts vs. a few conspiracy theorists who can easily be discredited using various tricks, if necessary.

What I get as the take-away is that law enforcement at the federal level can and has and will lie, with impunity most of the time. Their version will be the only version we see, unless witnesses are careful to prevent their own digital video recordings from being confiscated. If they can seize your cell phone vids they will. It then becomes evidence in an ongoing criminal investigation, meaning they can control who sees it, or they can alter it or even destroy it, and probably get clean away with it.

This just cements  my long held belief that those who confront authority directly generally pay for it the hard way, with their lives, or prison, or bodily injury. The last thing I want to do is put myself in a position to let the cops have any excuse to pay attention to me, or even know I exist. This includes not walking around in public with firearms, claiming a Constitutional right to do so.

If you ask for trouble in this highly militarized police state, you will almost certainly get it, sooner or later.
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Re: An Analysis of the FBI Video of the Road Block resulting in Lavoy Finicu
« Reply #35 on: February 20, 2016, 01:24:27 PM »
Well said Eddie :emthup:

Whether or not we agree with the actions of those who initiated the Malheur Wildlife Refuge Standoff there is much for everyone to be concerned about in this situation.

In an environment where open and fair discussions concerning important issues such as control of public lands is impossible because our leaders, who control the law and media infrastructure, use it to enforce their own 'interpretation' of the law without fairly considering input from the public, where do you turn if you are not willing to simply ignore the 'law' and are instead willing to give up your rights because someone more powerful than you tells you to do so?

It is blatantly obvious everywhere in the western world that the police and military are no longer there to protect the public. The police and military are now a political tool used to intimidate the public to force compliance with the will of those who control the political infrastructure. This situation is rapidly getting worse not better.

I agree that as an individual it is 'safer' in the short term to duck and cover and do what you will without attracting attention. However what does this mean in terms of long term safety?

The longer our leaders get away with this kind of behavior, the stronger their position becomes. Is it possible that putting off confronting unacceptable behavior from our leaders will eventually leave us in a position where we have no power at all and they can then do 'whatever' they desire with us? There are many examples in history where 10s of millions of people were simply slaughtered once their leaders became totally unaccountable for their actions.

Whether or not we agree with the cause of those who made a stand at the refuge, it is going to take a whole lot more people like them to stand up for what they believe in and resist the constant encroachment on the public's right to exist in a lifestyle of personal freedom unless they are endangering the safety of others. Because most people are not ranchers the issues brought forward by this group of people may not seem important enough to cause the fuss that they did but consider; if your means of making a living was directly threatened with termination by the interference of 'authorities' and all attempts at legal dialog had simply been ignored, what options would you have?

Is this a case of.....

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First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak outó
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak outó
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak outó
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for meóand there was no one left to speak for me.

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Eddie..... So, what we can say with some certainty is that the FBI is arrogant enough to release video footage of an operation in which they stepped over the line and exceeded their authority, video footage they claim is "live and uncensored", although it has been altered both in terms of quality and content, and specifically edited to shape public opinion in their favor.

The issue is much bigger than this....

Consider why they might feel they needed to alter the evidence?

What would it mean if they had murdered someone in cold blood with their hands in the air and then falsified the evidence, which they then made public?

If that is the case everyone at the road block would be aware of it, as well as all their superiors. Would low level enforcement agents be capable of, or willing to falsify such evidence, and then make it public, without approval from those up the command chain to the highest levels as in the Fast and Furious situation?

 I believe the authorities made a serious blunder in this situation. In most instances such as 911, fast and furious, and countless other situations where false flags, or real events, were manipulated to benefit the rulership's cause, they were smart enough to either get rid of the evidence, as in shipping all the steel debris from 911 to China for recycling before it could be examined, or using 'national security' as a defense for keeping information from the public that employs them as they did in cases such as fast and furious and the Sandy Hook School Shooting.

The Lavoy Finicum shooting is different in that the authorities made evidence public. The FBI video didn't come from a third party news source. It came directly from the authorities. They are the only ones who could have altered this video. If this evidence is found to be criminally altered what would it mean? Could it be used to force accountability on the authorities if enough people insist strongly?

I am far from done with examining this material and the section I am currently working on is at the crux of the matter where Lavoy is shot. I have found 3 frames at this point that are obviously doctored and this can be illustrated as clearly as with the truck.  This material will be ready later today or tomorrow.

If people can be made to realize that the issue here isn't whether or not they like Lavoy, or his lifestyle,  or agree with his actions, the issue here is of concern to everyone as it is critical we give our leaders a clear message that they are not 'above' the law, rather they are as much liable to following the law as the general public is.
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Re: An Analysis of the FBI Video of the Road Block resulting in Lavoy Finicu
« Reply #36 on: February 21, 2016, 05:35:11 AM »

I agree that as an individual it is 'safer' in the short term to duck and cover and do what you will without attracting attention. However what does this mean in terms of long-term safety?

Peter, I am grateful to you for your examination of the physical evidence, meaning this video. Your demonstration of the likely original resolution compared with the resolution released to the public is striking and obvious even to the non-technically inclined.

In response to the question you pose above, "long term safety" is a myth. A state armed with unlimited capacity for force and whose panopticon can peer into the very interstices of your private life will brook no barriers whatsoever to the exercise of its power. To achieve any aim whatsoever, and as we have seen, if the law presents a problem, get the law changed.


Whether or not we agree with the cause of those who made a stand at the refuge, it is going to take a whole lot more people like them to stand up for what they believe in and resist the constant encroachment on the public's right to exist in a lifestyle of personal freedom unless they are endangering the safety of others. Because most people are not ranchers the issues brought forward by this group of people may not seem important enough to cause the fuss that they did but consider; if your means of making a living was directly threatened with termination by the interference of 'authorities' and all attempts at legal dialog had simply been ignored, what options would you have?

I believe there are two separate issues here. One is the proper and just administration of federal land. To those of us who live east of the Mississippi, federal land equals parks, battlefields and national forests, held and administered in trust for the public, seemingly benign. In the west, where BLM administers large tracts of rangeland, the dynamics are clearly different.

On the other hand, Cliven Bundy is a welfare king whose business model relies on theft of the commons. It is inaccurate (at kindest and best) to equate his resistance to paying ridiculously-low grazing fees as any sort of subset of "if your means of making a living was directly threatened with termination by the interference of 'authorities' and all attempts at legal dialog had simply been ignored, what options would you have? " Is not the administration of fees a legitimate function of government? Bundy is just the latest metastization of a cancer growing in the western US since the so-called "Sagebrush rebellion" given succor by James Watt under Raygun: the socialization of costs with the corresponding privitization of profit that we see wherever private leases for extraction from public lands occurs. What AG would call the profit-over-planet business model which has made many men, like Bundy, millionaires many times over.

Ranching is just another extractive industry that leaves a despoiled land in its wake. I did some research on this while writing my own articles about the Malheur standoff; I may get back to it. Suffice it to say the environmental costs are high, and the costs? Passed directly on to taxpayers like me. "Tax donkets and debt serfs," in Charles Hugh Smith's inimitable phrase.


Is this a case of.....

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First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak outó
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak outó
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak outó
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for meóand there was no one left to speak for me.

Has always seemed to me that the Niemoller quote above stems from an interpretation of Edmund Burke:
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"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."

Some of us took to the streets dring Occupy, but failed to do so in suffiencient numbers aside from becoming a minor annoyance to local law enforcement. The only way to break the machine is to refuse to participate in its operation. Easy to say, hard to do.



Consider why they might feel they needed to alter the evidence?

What would it mean if they had murdered someone in cold blood with their hands in the air and then falsified the evidence, which they then made public?

If that is the case everyone at the road block would be aware of it, as well as all their superiors. Would low level enforcement agents be capable of, or willing to falsify such evidence, and then make it public, without approval from those up the command chain to the highest levels as in the Fast and Furious situation?

 I believe the authorities made a serious blunder in this situation. In most instances such as 911, fast and furious, and countless other situations where false flags, or real events, were manipulated to benefit the rulership's cause, they were smart enough to either get rid of the evidence, as in shipping all the steel debris from 911 to China for recycling before it could be examined, or using 'national security' as a defense for keeping information from the public that employs them as they did in cases such as fast and furious and the Sandy Hook School Shooting.

The Deep State has gotten away with everything it has touched-- the assassinations through 9-11. Who will suggest they won't get away with this as well? Corporately-owned state media will never touch such a story. It just wouldn't do at the club as a topic of conversation.

You pose the key question:
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What would it mean if they had murdered someone in cold blood with their hands in the air and then falsified the evidence, which they then made public?

You'd couldn't eliminate an entire contingent of Oregon State trropers like a helicopter full of members of Seal Team 6, could you?
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Re: An Analysis of the FBI Video of the Road Block resulting in Lavoy Finicu
« Reply #37 on: February 21, 2016, 11:27:09 AM »
Surly you make some great points and I will try to respond to all of them after putting them into the perspective I see them from.

It's not simply a matter of needing to change the law, or even a few laws. The very structure of the justice system, and also the structure of the government responsible for administering the law, are also grievously flawed. The problem is also larger than just the United States. Pretty well the whole world suffers from power being rapidly centralized at an international level.

I believe that the further the holders of power are removed from the oversight of their neighbors, the greater their opportunity to abuse their positions for personal or ideological gain. Today... in virtually the whole world  those functioning at the local level have no power.

Those making the decisions today about the direction that humanity will take into the future are not accountable to those functioning at the local level even though they give a good public relations presentation that their concerns are 'local' while they are acting 'globally'.

To those currently in power the 'environment' is just another good excuse for centralizing more power to themselves. Yes the environment is a very important issue but if there were no multinational corporations, who are above the law, and capable of rapacious exploitation, how much actual large scale environmental abuse would there be?

The 1981 book "Food First: Beyond the Myth of Scarcity",  is an excellent book that demonstrates exactly why local populations often do massive environmental damage. It lays the blame back exactly where it belongs; on multinational corporations.  This is not a new phenomena, it has been going on for many centuries.

Bangladesh is a good example detailed in the book. Briefly.... Bangladesh has a huge amount of some of the most fertile land in the whole world but it is now synonymous with starvation and land striped bare. Bangladesh once had a thriving population living in a vibrant wonderland. That was until the British East India Company (BEIC) arrived in the 1600s. To that point the fertile land provided more than enough resources to support the local population very well. The population had been stable there for a very long period. The BEIC conspired with the local big wigs and over a period took over control of all the fertile land. BEIC then used the land exclusively to grow export crops to earn profits in the international markets.

The locals no longer had the land base to grow their own food and were forced to buy what they needed from the company store using slave wages earned from working on the now BEIC owned land that was once theirs to work for their own good. The whole population couldn't work for BEIC and those people that now had no source for life's necessities had to scrabble in much less fertile land in order to feed themselves. Because gaining a sufficient supply of food and other resources in non-fertile ground requires much more ground, and such ground is also much more susceptible to failure because of it's fragile nature,  the result was environmental collapse and population devastation. What is at fault here? Corporate abuse or local exploitation?

What we are seeing in places like the United States today is just a repeat of this exploitative pattern within modern times.

The current 'environmental' agenda doesn't originate at the local or even national level. The rules and regulations being put into place locally everywhere today originate from the elite internationalist power brokers who defined Agenda21 and enforce it through their international power structures such as the United Nations.

Their foremost intent is not to protect the environment, their foremost intent is to get a monopoly hold on all the natural resources in order for their multinational corporations to exploit them instead of the locals using them for survival. The globalists accomplish this goal by creating an endless stream of new rules and regulations that are impossible to comply with by anyone that does not have the resources of multinational corporations.

I am not suggesting there is no need for better administration of natural resources. I am only suggesting that the way it is being done is not valid.

What is the alternative?

I believe there is one solution to all public administrative problems, including the environment, law, finance, and government.

The 'center' of power needs to be kept local and small scale. Yes there needs to be co-ordination on a wider basis but those charged with that task must remain fully and openly responsible to the local public that employs them.

Local leaders remain under the watchful eyes of their neighbors and will soon be caught out if they stray. Once a leader becomes anonymous in some far away large population center they are given a license to steal.

We see the damage done by centralization in all facets of life today.

There used to be something like 42,000 school districts in the United States which regulated 'education' at a local level. There are now somewhere in the order of 200. Educational policy is now set nationally by bureaucrats openly funded by organizations such as the Ford Foundation who introduce the 'internationalist' educational agenda into the 'national' one. How has that worked out, not just for the students but also for the teachers?

I live in the middle of one of the last temperate rain forests on the planet called "The Great Bear Rainforest". There used to be a multitude of small business' centered around resource extraction that literally didn't put a dint into the local resources. Virtually all of them have been driven out of business by an endless stream of new regulations making it impossible for business', some having been successfully active for close to a century, to remain viable.

This hasn't stopped resource extraction, it has actually accelerated it. The weaker financial hands have had to give up their resource allocations which were then quickly snapped up enmass by large international corporations. The resource extraction capabilities of these companies are far greater than all the former local operations combined. Looking at aerial photographs of this area it is obvious they are putting their capabilities to good use for their own financial benefit.

Anyone else remember the days when the local police were you friends that you felt safe in turning to when there were problems. Policing was often informal and the law was only a guide. This was only possible because the local policeman had the discretion to decide what solution best applied to the current situation.  Policing is now far more centralized and the working stiffs on the beat better do as their boss, and their boss above them, ad-infenitum tells them to do or be out of a job if not worse.

Those who now control the United States have decided that they are the world's policeman. How many enforcement bases do they now have around the world? How many of the formerly local enforcement agencies do they now control? What is the result? Constant war both locally, and internationally?  Who does this benefit?

I will not argue with your assessment of Lavoy Finicum as I have only casually looked at his lifestyle. If what you say is true, is it also the result of policies set by centralized government? If there were no centralized welfare state could such abuse exist?

Personally I would much rather need to deal personally with local abuse than give an uncontrollable oligopoly the ability to govern everything that happens planet wide.

To introduce a change such as I suggest would be unpopular with many because it would place a much greater burden on individuals to make sure everyone's rights are always protected.

In order for a locally based, but globally aware, societal structure to work everyone would need to pay much more attention to what is being done on their behalf which would take precious time away from things like laying back and being entertained.







 
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Re: An Analysis of the FBI Video of the Road Block resulting in Lavoy Finicu
« Reply #38 on: February 21, 2016, 12:57:28 PM »
I think you are correct, Surly, in your assessment of grazing practices in the West.The ranchers, who were given carte blanche for a long time, were terrible stewards...Edward Abbey wrote about it at length more than thirty years ago. But that is only a tangential issue to the land grabs being perpetrated by the BLM and Parks. That is a newer crime, and one that deserves more scrutiny by fair-minded investigators like yourself.

And Peter is completely correct, too, with what he's saying about centralization and how the cooperates have turned the whole world into the likes of Bangladesh (post-colonial I mean.)

Not sure I trust local power completely either, having some memory of what that was like in the rural backwater where I was raised, where it still held some sway when I was a kid. But yes, local is always better. I had some hope that collapse would cause a reversion to local  control, but that was before I learned what I know about our prospects of surviving the coming climate chaos.

In any case, I take some comfort in the fact that there are still a few humans awake and alert who care enough to chronicle the crimes that are being committed everywhere, and swept under the rug by TPTB. I'm beginning to think that the record we leave behind of how this beautiful planet was plundered and subsequently died may be our most important legacy.

Until then, we can only live our lives one day at a time, and try to make the best of it. Keep up the good work, both of you.
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Re: An Analysis of the FBI Video of the Road Block resulting in Lavoy Finicu
« Reply #39 on: February 21, 2016, 10:06:51 PM »
Part 8b) An Analysis of the FBI Video of the Road Block resulting in Lavoy Finicum's Death.

    Peter Offermann
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    February 21, 2016


   Here we are back again after the sequence where Lavoy has left the truck and is currently milling around in the area where he is shot.




   Originally I was going to give a lot of documentation here regarding his footprints during this period. I spent a lot of time analyzing this in a number of different ways but finally convinced myself that Lavoy's movements match the visible footprints.




   On my computer I can scrub ( move) backwards and forwards through any of the frames at any speed and zoom level I desire. By rolling my mouse wheel at different speeds I can examine very closely how frames fit together.




   While doing this I  took some tape and laid the pattern of Lavoy's steps out on my floor and then myself tried to emulate his movements. It took awhile to make sense of his movements but eventually I was convinced his leg movements were valid. What wasn't valid was the speed it happened at especially with all the arm movements also thrown in. I think this sequence occurs faster than it did in reality and his body and arm movements are doctored in places. I will explain why I think this further on in this segment.




   I'm just quickly going to show a few images here of how I determined where there were footprints in the snow and then move on to where I believe Lavoy was shot, probably multiple times.






   




   




   




   The following GIFs all start at the same point which is shown in the full frame image below at 35:01. You can see that Lavoy is already well away from the truck. There are 5 agents at the blockade at this point.




   #1 is behind Lavoy's truck pointing a gun at him.




   #2 is the one that was almost hit by Lavoy's truck. He is starting to make his way towards the front of the back truck.




   #3 is hard to see as he is crouched at the back of the truck. He has been in this position since Lavoy exited the truck and could possibly have shot Lavoy in the back causing him to fall forward to his knees before Lavoy changed direction.  This would explain why the earlier sequence at the truck was altered.




   #4 & #5 are standing between the two trucks and at least #5, probably both, are pointing  weapons at Lavoy.




   




   There are 3 different gif sequences below that are cut out of different areas of the next 84 frames. I did this to isolate specific events occurring in those areas so they could be seen in more detail. The first 2 sequences are presented in 3 different ways for clarity purpose. First at original resolution and speed, secondly blown up for extra detail at the original speed, and thirdly blown up at a slower 2 frames per second so the progression of events can better be seen.




   When trying to spot alteration in videos through deleting or adding frames the place that such alterations are most obvious is where there are moving objects. If you remove frames moving objects will appear to jump from place to place or smear.




   During this period there are 4 moving objects. Lavoy, agents #1, #2 and #3.




   First sequence....  #2 agent is the one to watch.




   




   




   




   Notice that at the start of the sequence, and at the end of the sequence, Agent #2 is clearly seen and well defined. As he leaves the back of the truck and starts ducking, probably to stay out of the line of fire of agent #4 & #5, he starts to blend into the background and almost becomes invisible as he nears the front of the other truck. Looking at these frames at a large size one at a time there are many glaring indicators of alteration.




   When he gets to the truck it appears very briefly that he walked into the wheel well and disappeared. Only a bit of his head shows up briefly on the hood above the grill. From that point on he appears to be a shadow moving across the grill before he pops up while becoming solid near the center of the truck. If you look closely in the slow version you will notice that you can see the lines of the grill and bumper through his body until he starts to rise. This is impossible in real life at 30 frames per second. There is no technical smearing of action occurring at the speed he is moving.




   Frames were taken out of the video in this sequence which would have resulted in his appearing to jump from place to place. What they did was painted him into the background as much as they could so his interrupted jerky movements wouldn’t catch your eye. In front of the grill the missing frames probably made his body appear the full width of half the grill and they tried to diminsh that as much as possible by painting the grill and bumper back in on some frames.




   Second sequence.... #3 agent moves from the back of the truck to the front of the truck at the same time as agent #2 moves above.




   




   




   




   They almost painted out all of  agent #3 movements until he gets to the door. They tried to make it look like he just stepped out from behind the door.  When looking at these frames closely you can see when he starts moving because the dark spot on the yellow line behind the truck disappears. You can also see some of the smeared out lighter blue of his pants as he moves towards the front door.




   Third Sequence... agent #1 and Lavoy I only present this sequence at one size and speed as I will do a more thorough analysis with still frames to explain what happens here. The sequence starts at the same point but I let it run longer to the point where Lavoy starts to fall. I do this to give some sense of context to his death. The speed is 2 frames per second slow motion. The red dot shown in one frame partway through the sequence is when agent #2 starts to disappear. The green dot is when he reappears.




   




   Watch agent #1 closely at the bottom of the frame. He is constantly moving until the red dot appears. He is not likely able to take a shot while he is moving. At the red dot he has both feet firmly planted for the first time and stays that way for a few seconds. This is the first opportunity he would have to take a shot, or several shots at Lavoy. This is where frames are missing.




   Below are 16 frames of Lavoy blown up from 1/8 of a second before the dot to almost half a second afterwards.




   




   




     




   




   




   




   




   




   Agent #1 is now in a shooting stance. Notice that Lavoy has his hands in the air. I think they faked his hand movements before this point. He likely had his hands in the air up until this point. There are slight signs of alteration in the areas his arms would have been.




   




   




   




   Notice Lavoy's left leg starts to appear strange above his left knee.




   




   More noticeable notch.




   




   A better rendition below. Notice the sharpening artifacts only at his knee and shoulder. Notice the area between his knee and shoulder is lighter than anywhere else .




   




   Notice how the front of Lavoy's body has more noticeable light artifacts.




   




   The jog in his knee is almost gone.




   




   Ooops it's back again.




   




   Almost back to real life... notice the front of his body now also has a smooth texture similar to the back.




   




   




   




   What might we see if agent #1 shot Lavoy during this sequence? I don't think the resolution is good enough to see a muzzle flash but there was probably visible recoil of the weapon when he fired and / or Lavoy's reaction when he was hit. The weapon recoil(s) would be very brief and could likely be taken out in 2 or 3 frames. Lavoy's reaction would likely be of longer term and the shock would likely have changed his position rapidly so they would need to paint in something to mask this change over a number of frames.

Lavoy was likely moved backwards quickly by a shot. If they took the frames of the gun recoil out there then Lavoy would likely look fatter. This is why they modified his front to make him look thinner. They should have done the same to his left leg. I did notice an inconsistency of Lavoy's body thickness in the next few frames which didn't quite coincide with his turning sideways.


   If there was only one shot that could have been cleaned up in one quick sequence and there would not be any need to mask the actions of agents #2 & #3 over an 82 frame sequence. To me this suggests that Lavoy was shot more than once at this point.




   There are other frames shortly after this sequence that don't look quite right but the alterations are not as obvious as they are here.




   There is a good chance they took quite a few frames out here and this would explain why they took out frames earlier on and also introduced blur in several places. Without replacing frames taken out, which would require hand painting the new frames to match, this sequence would move much faster than the rest of Lavoy's movements. This would stick out. Looking at the earlier frames there is little movement of anyone else making it easy to take out frames unnoticeably. The only exception is right at the first big blur. Before the big blur agents #3, #4, & #5 are standing behind the truck on the far right and agent #1 is not visible.  After the big blur (3.5 seconds)  they are already in the positions I numbered above.




   From the start of watching this video I was confused about why Lavoy turned back towards his truck and why he moved his arms around as much as he did near the end of this sequence.




   Here's what I now think happened. Lavoy reaches the point of the red dot with his hands in the air, agent #1 then shoots him at least once. Lavoy drops his arms to hold himself where he has been shot. If the agent shot more than once Lavoy knows the agent is trying to kill him. The only semblance of shelter nearby is his truck so he heads for it. The agent on the hillside, which I didn't number, drops Lavoy after he turns towards the truck. I think they painted in a few arm movements at this point to hide the fact that Lavoy was holding his lower left abdomen.




   In my mind there is no doubt that a crime has been committed here.




   I will continue on tomorrow with part 9 and fill in some details about visible gunfire at the scene.
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Re: An Analysis of the FBI Video of the Road Block resulting in Lavoy Finicu
« Reply #40 on: February 23, 2016, 11:07:14 PM »
Part 9) An Analysis of the FBI Video of the Road Block resulting in Lavoy Finicum's Death.

Peter Offermann
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February 23, 2016

   




   The image above is the first frame of the FBI video and the location is about 1.5 minutes from where Lavoy stops for several minutes in the middle of the road before proceeding on to where the road block is. Notice the line of vehicles out of sight on the side road. There's a nice long straight stretch here and they could easily have blocked the road here in a much safer manner.




   Does this suggest this situation was only a simple attempt by the police to pull someone over? To me it looks more like  a pre-planned take down.




   There is a sequence shortly after this that demonstrates how good the camera is with a massive immediate zoom in in 1/30th of a second.



   




   The very next frame is below.




   Lavoy is doing 60 mph or more and the camera is tracking the vehicle. Notice there is virtually no blur in the trees which are standing still. Very impressive.




   




   Here we are at the point where Lavoy has just stopped. There are 7 officers and 1 dog. Notice someone has their hand out of the passenger side window of Lavoy's truck and is either holding a phone or more likely adjusting the mirror.




   




   Four seconds later the arm is gone.



   




   Harder to see but eleven seconds later Lavoy has his arm straight out the window. His arm is at the back of the driver’s window. The mirror is barely visible ahead of it.




   




   Lavoy is now reaching forward to adjust the mirror.




   




   Arm  straight out again, turned slightly upwards. To me it looks like he is cooperating.




   




   There are three places that it looks like shots were fired. Two by someone holding what looks like a combat shotgun (sawed off pump action). The way the guns were aimed it looks like they were trying to take out the rear view mirrors so Lavoy couldn't see what is happening behind him.




   The gif below covers the area highlighted in red.




   




   The gif is slowed down to 5 fps.




   



   The gif below covers the area highlighted in red.




   




   Realtime...




   




   Slower at 5 fps... Do you see the shooter pump another round?




   




   The last shot is barely visible on the driver’s side of the truck on a calibrated monitor. You may not see the slight  blob just below the window post between the two doors. When flicking between adjacent frames here there is a very slight puff effect. One of the people in the truck mentioned there was blood on Lavoy's door.




   




   At no time while Lavoy was stopped here did any of the officers attempt to approach Lavoy’s vehicle. I find that odd. If you were in this situation, probably with no view to the back, and shots were being fired at your vehicle,  would you get out and surrender? I know I wouldn't. Were they trying to goad him on to where the road block is just ahead so they could have a more dramatic capture scene?




   There were 5 officers at the road block originally. The cavalry arrived just as Lavoy was shot.




   




   There were 16 or 17 officers on the scene at that point. All of the new arrivals had probably been parked on that side road waiting to be called out.




   




   I found it curious that Lavoy was not once painted by lasers before he was on the ground but I now think those originally at the road block didn’t have lasers. The lasers started once the others arrived. They appear to be swat or military.




   The last thing I'm going to show you is a gif composed of the obvious signs of weapons discharges at the scene. I've cut out the time in between events to keep the length of the gif down. All these occurred between the time Lavoy was shot and the time the second person gets out of the truck several minutes later. The truck was behind trees a lot of the time, as well as the camera platform was on the wrong side of the truck to see gunfire at times as well. There was likely more gunfire during this period. We have no idea of how much gunfire there was before Lavoy got out of the truck as there is a missing segment of video there.




   I'm not sure what happens at the start of this sequence. Watch the drivers side of the truck carefully until it disappears behind the tree in the foreground. There are two times that a very black shadow blossoms out a small ways from the truck. Directly after this a number of flash bangs go off. I suspect one or two were shot under the truck. When rolling over that sequence the truck appears to lift slightly.




   It is only about 2 minutes after this that the cloud/smoke appears around the truck as viewed in the other comment linked video by someone who came upon the scene from behind the blockade. To me it looks like it might be steam from a compromised cooling system in Lavoy's truck or possibly the dark blockade truck overheating as it appeared to be still running.




     




   The last sequence is difficult to see. A blurriness with several puffs proceeds across the windshield.




   I cannot think of anything else to add at this point but if anyone has requests please post them in comments. I’m considering doing a revised gif of how I think Lavoy moved before he was killed. I think it could be very accurate after watching that sequence of events many times. That will likely happen tomorrow.




   I apologize to those who asked me to contact them. I wanted to finish this up before dealing with other matters. I will contact everyone tomorrow.




   Peter


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Re: An Analysis of the FBI Video of the Road Block resulting in Lavoy Finicu
« Reply #41 on: February 24, 2016, 07:55:34 PM »
Request 1) An Analysis of the FBI Video of the Road Block resulting in Lavoy Finicum's Death.

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      Peter, carefully notice the officer that ran up into the snowbank to force Lavoy's truck further up into the deeper snow. It appears he stays put and assumes a "crouch" position and fires into Lavoy's left side forcing his hands to go down. Is there anyway we can prove he fired the instant Lavoy came into view after he passed the rear part of the truck? At the point Lavoy comes into view lavoy still had his hands up. He you could prove he fired at this point it would be murder. That bullet could be retrieved from lavoy and matched to the officers gun. You see where this is going?
   




   There are 61 frames in this segment which means it occurred in two seconds.




   I have not retouched these images in anyway. All that has been done to them is enhancement that clarifies what is already there.




   First a gif with a fairly wide view at realtime 30 fps speed.




   




   At 1/6th - 5 fps speed.




   




   12 still frames or  1/2 second that the agent was in a shooting stance.




   




   




   




   




   




   




   




   




   




   




   




   




   Blowup of shooting stance...




   




   A more carefully stabilized closer in gif of the same 1/2 second period when the officer was in a shooting stance. Speed is 1 frame per second.




   




   The resolution is not good enough see muzzle flash or weapon kickback but the officer was definitely pointing a weapon directly at Lavoy from a shooting stance during this period. He had enough time to get off at least a couple of rounds.




   Lavoy was on the brakes from the time he saw the road block until the last 1/4 second before the truck stopped. He likely didn’t have his seat belt on and if you look carefully you will see the truck is at a 45 degree angle sideways for the last half second or so before settling back down onto all 4 wheels. Lavoy likely lost his position on the brake pedal.




   If he was trying to run the barricade he would have been on the gas pedal when entering the snow.




   Lavoy was only trying to avoid a serious crash that would have happened if he ran into the trucks blocking the road. He did not have the time to stop before hitting them. One commenter mentioned that they went to the site afterwards and tried driving the location a number of times to check what happened. They estimated that Lavoy was doing around 70 mph and they could not stop their vehicle in time to avoid such a road block from the point where Lavoy first saw the roadblock and stepped on his brakes.




   Conversations about this analysis are going on in several locations and I will duplicate the comments with relevant information in the next segment so everyone can see them.




   The next request will cover the uphill shooter and show his actions in detail.




   I will also take the time to put together a gif of what I now think happened in the last few seconds of Lavoy’s life.




   I will also show some stills of the many times Lavoy's body was painted by lasers after he was on the ground. There was one 2 frame sequence I’ll try to find again where Lavoy's outstretched arm jerked slightly to a different position while he was being painted by laser. This would possibly mean he was also shot after he was down.


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Re: An Analysis of the FBI Video of the Road Block resulting in Lavoy Finicu
« Reply #42 on: February 24, 2016, 07:58:18 PM »
Request 1 Continued) An Analysis of the FBI Video of the Road Block resulting in Lavoy Finicum's Death.

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      I think he wants to know if you can see if this agent (from the crouching/sitting position behind the truck) was the one that fired the first shot at LaVoy when he was walking with his hands in the air, just as he clears the back of the truck. It looks like you can see the muzzle of his weapon raise (just above his shoulder in the crouching position) just before LaVoy lowers his hands the 1st time. It looks like LaVoy points at that agent afterwards (almost like saying “you shot me”).
   



   Ok… Below is the whole sequence from when the truck stops to when the agent in question starts walking towards the center of the blockade. I’ve increased the size of the first half so it is approximately the same zoom as the last half to make it easier to follow the action. I also removed much of the blur so there are only a couple of frames where there is no detail. The whole gif is also about double the original size.




   There are 261 frames in this section which means it lasts 8.7 seconds in realtime (30 fps). The gif is slowed down to 5 fps.




   Gif is 17mb and will take sometime to load on slower connections.




   




   Just before this the agent in question was hit by and buried by a heavy wall of wet snow coming from Lavoy’s truck. At the start of this sequence he is sliding away from Lavoy’s truck on his butt and he ends up sitting on the ground facing away from Lavoy’s truck and is instead facing towards the driver’s side rear corner of the dark truck. His knees are stretched out in front of him. He is staying low because another agent is aiming at Lavoy over his head from back in the barricade.




   




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   He remains in this position until another agent walks past him between him and the dark truck.




   




   In the next 1.7 seconds he changes from this position to walking towards the middle of the road block. There is not enough time for him to take a shot at Lavoy even if his arms were in the right position. First he starts to turn his body towards the left facing the back of Lavoy’s truck.




   There might possibly be missing time there as both he and the other shooter appear to be missing some movements there. If anyone shot him then I think it was the other shooter out behind the truck. You can possibly see just a bit of recoil on his weapon as he comes out of the worst of the blur. It doesn’t make sense to me that Lavoy continues to run towards him if he is shot at that point.




   




   The Agent then plants his left arm on the ground to raise his body onto his feet. Lavoy first drops his arms at this point.




   I examined every frame in this sequence very closely at a very large size when I created the gif showing what I think happened.




   I do not believe Lavoy dropped his arms at this point. I think this was painted in because they needed to show him waving his arms around in order to justify shooting him.




   In the sequence where he leaves the truck they left the top half of his body as original and painted in his feet to  get the perception they desired. In this sequence they left the lower half of his body original and manufacture his arm movements to suit.




   The background for the sequence is bare snow except one barely visible clump of bushes. It is very easy to see signs of tampering on such a background and there are plenty of signs. The shape and texture of his arms also don’t look real in places when studied closely.




   I believe Lavoy only dropped his arms once when he was shot at the time I highlight in Part 8b.  He is shot in the left lower abdomen and then drops his arms to clutch himself there as he is blown sideway by the shock of the shot.




   His arm movements from this point on are faked as well to mask his involuntary turn to the side. They moved his arms around to make him look like he intentionally turned away to run. Lavoy doesn’t try to run at all. He is only forced back onto his left foot by the blast and moves his right foot forward to try to retain his balance. At that point he is shot by the uphill shooter with whatever his weapon is. We will take a closer look at this shooter next. After that I will animate the sequence described here so we can see what it looks like. It won’t take much as it didn’t take much change at all here to change what we perceive.




   




   The agent then turns towards the center of the roadblock and starts moving in that direction.




   


 

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