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Re: 🗳️ Another Dem Bites the Dust
« Reply #1170 on: January 02, 2020, 07:03:15 PM »
No Latinos now in the running.  Blacks and Asians gone too.  Next Debate stage will be nice and White.  Will that pull in any Joe Bageant voters?

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🗳️ The Late,GREAT Joe Bageant
« Reply #1171 on: January 02, 2020, 07:42:32 PM »
When I began extensive internet browsing around 2008, I saw the name Joe Bageant mentioned frequently but never fully grasped what he was all about.

He's Dead now (cancer), but his Blogs are still Alive.  :icon_sunny:

https://www.joebageant.org/

Joe wrote about the White Trash community and people he came from in rural West Virginia.  His essays and articles are real quality stuff.  Like FerFal who chronicled the Argentinian Collapse in 2001-2002, this material is essential reading for any dedicated Kollapsnik.

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Re: Election Errata
« Reply #1172 on: January 03, 2020, 10:22:56 AM »
Dear Hunting With Jesus should be required reading for left leaning New Yorkers,

Bageant was fairly prescient, in addition to being a brave guy who chose not to piss way his resources  and his last year or two enriching the medical-industrial establishment.
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Re: Election Errata
« Reply #1173 on: January 03, 2020, 10:53:35 AM »
Dear Hunting With Jesus should be required reading for left leaning New Yorkers,

Bageant was fairly prescient, in addition to being a brave guy who chose not to piss way his resources  and his last year or two enriching the medical-industrial establishment.

This is gospel. Write it in ink.

I sent of number if years early in my life in West Virginia, and he understands the motivations of mounting flyover people as on ly one who is one can.

Your point about his last days is also on point.
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🗳️ T-2 Days and Counting for the Demodopes in Iowa
« Reply #1174 on: February 02, 2020, 03:52:15 AM »
Any Diners care to hazard a guess on who will win this one?  ???

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🗳️ Sanders Predicted to Win Iowa Caucuses: Emerson Poll
« Reply #1175 on: February 03, 2020, 08:03:13 AM »
Bernie is the Frontrunner, according to the Polls.  ::)

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🗳️ Confusion, optimism as Democrats struggle to fix Iowa caucus chaos
« Reply #1176 on: February 04, 2020, 08:59:24 AM »
CLUSTERFUCK!

Big Surprise!  NOT!   ::)

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🗳️ Bernie Sanders claims victory in Iowa caucuses
« Reply #1177 on: February 07, 2020, 04:39:38 AM »
Or will this be "reversed".  lol.

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🗳️ With no clear result in Iowa, all eyes are on New Hampshire
« Reply #1178 on: February 08, 2020, 03:40:55 AM »
Horserace!  lol.

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🗳️ Democrats target each other ahead of New Hampshire primary
« Reply #1179 on: February 08, 2020, 03:49:30 AM »
SUIT UP for WAR! Get your Sword, Mace, Cross Bow & Battle Axe ready!  Don't forget your Shield and Chain Mail or Helmet either!

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🗳️ Takeaways from a raucous night in Manchester
« Reply #1180 on: February 09, 2020, 06:19:29 AM »
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/08/new-hampshire-primary-raucous-night-112569

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Elizabeth Warren won the organizing battle, but all the Democrats combined still fell short of Trump.

Democratic presidential candidate Elizabeth Warren speaks at the McIntyre-Shaheen 100 Club Dinner on Saturday in Manchester, N.H. | Matt Rourke/AP Photo

By DAVID SIDERS and TRENT SPINER

02/08/2020 11:21 PM EST


MANCHESTER, N.H. — All day Saturday, Pete Buttigieg took a hail of criticism from Joe Biden about his youth and inexperience. On Saturday night, Buttigieg responded in kind before a throng of party activists, while Biden barely showed up.

The two joined the rest of the Democratic field at the SNHU Arena here, taking turns speaking to thousands of riled-up progressives. The crowd rallied around frontrunner Bernie Sanders, and offered an enthusiastic show of support for Elizabeth Warren, who's sagging in polls and badly in need of a post-Iowa bounce.

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Three days before the still-unsettled New Hampshire primary, 10 candidates shared a stage in the state for the final time at the annual McIntyre-Shaheen 100 Club Dinner. Here are our six takeaways from the shindig.
Biden v. Buttigieg

Buttigieg didn’t mention the former vice president by name, but he didn’t have to. After Biden spent the day tearing into Buttigieg for his lack of anything more than small-town mayoral experience, Buttigieg took the stage first and struck back.

Reprising his criticism of establishment Washington — while failing to mention his own interest in joining that establishment, in his failed race for Democratic National Committee chair — Buttigieg likened his experience to that of the mayor of Manchester.

That, he said, “is very much the point. Because Americans in small rural towns, in industrial communities and yes, in pockets of our country’s biggest cities, are tired of being reduced to a punchline by Washington politicians.”
Pete Buttigieg

Democratic presidential candidate Pete Buttigieg arrives to speak at the McIntyre-Shaheen 100 Club Dinner on Saturday in Manchester, N.H. | Matt Rourke/AP Photo

There is more at work here than a war of words between a faltering Biden and an ascendant Buttigieg. Every campaign offers candidates a choice about how much focus to place on the future versus the past — on their own records and their opponents’ versus their aspirations and their plans.

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Earlier Saturday, Biden’s campaign released a digital ad mocking Buttigieg's record — "Pete Buttigieg revitalized the sidewalks of downtown South Bend," a narrator intones — and closing with the message, “We’re electing a president. What you’ve done matters.”

That evening, Buttigieg spun the alternative, saying that he is running not only to end the era of Donald Trump, but to “launch the era that must come next.”
Paging Tom Perez

At the party’s summer convention in the same arena four years ago, then-Democratic National Committee Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz was heckled and had to stop her speech over complaints about the party’s treatment of the Sanders campaign.

This year, Tom Perez, the current chair who is under fire for the Iowa caucus debacle, was originally slated to be one of the main speakers but canceled his appearance so late he remained on the speaking program. The local party had no comment.

Party insiders who were at the event questioned whether Perez wasn’t on stage in an effort to avoid a televised fracas among Democrats.
Biden is … meh

Leave it to Biden to demonstrate what a speech better suited for a small town hall sounds like in a cavernous arena.

It wasn’t great.

Biden, of course, was starting from a disadvantage. He all but conceded New Hampshire in the debate on Friday, volunteering, “I took a hit in Iowa and I’ll probably take one here.”

A day later, more than a few New Hampshire voters arrived at the SNHU Arena bewildered that he’d say that. His cheering section was small — a wedge at the corner of the arena. His story-telling was no worse than other lower-polling candidates.

But for a former vice president who needs to turn his campaign around, it will not go down as an opportunity seized.

Biden took one stab at repairing relations, saying that in New Hampshire, “You know how to run elections.”
Warren wins the organizing battle

Despite every major candidate pushing their supporters to attend the event, Democrats came nowhere close to matching the size of Trump’s crowd when he was in the same arena last August.

Trump set a new record at the time, besting Elton John and WWE, and the campaign said they expect the same when he returns on Monday, the night before the election.

Campaigns traditionally use the party dinner to test their get-out-the-vote operation. When busses filled with college students came up from neighboring Massachusetts during the party’s summer convention, Warren was widely seen as the winner of the organizing battle. Warren won again Saturday night, with more than a quarter of the seats filled with supporters in her campaign’s teal-colored t-shirts and matching, synchronized LED bracelets.

Sanders supporters were armed with bright flashing, purple “Bernie” signs. Buttigieg supporters had four-foot “Boot-Edge-Edge” letters they’d hold up overhead.

Biden lost. His crew took up just a small sliver of the seats in a darkened section of the arena, smaller than supporters of Deval Patrick, the former governor of neighboring Massachusetts who is polling in the low single digits.
The “Bernie People”

No matter who the nominee is, they will need Sanders voters to beat Trump.

That could be a problem for Buttigieg, who was the only candidate to get boos, heckles and chants, including “Wall Street Pete” and “Medicare-for-All” from Sanders’ supporters.

Sitting in Sanders’ section, their disdain for Buttigieg was transparent. Virtually no one clapped when he took the stage or after his speech.

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Both Biden and Amy Klobuchar received a milquetoast welcome from the Bernie cheering section. And when Biden took the stage, Sanders supporters got up to refill their beers or go see friends in other sections. Those who stayed said they struggled to follow the thread of his speech.

Klobuchar turned around on stage as she entered the arena to give a nod to the Sanders crew — “Hi, Bernie People,” she said — a nod they seemed to appreciate.
Klobuchar is better in debates

It’s no question by now that Klobuchar is at her best in debates — and that, so far, she’s having a hard time taking that show on the road.

So what’s a good debater to do? Mention the last debate, of course. And draw a burst of cheers.

“We have momentum like never before,” she said. “We have beaten the odds every step of the way.”

Klobuchar didn’t get the reception that Buttigieg did.

But what she had, unlike most of her competitors, was a substantial presence of visible supporters on the floor, where the party insiders sat. Many of them still think Klobuchar could find a spark.
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🗳️ 'Straight out of House of Cards'
« Reply #1181 on: February 10, 2020, 05:28:26 AM »
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/10/democrats-new-hampshire-gloomy-battle-112803

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'Straight out of House of Cards'

The stage is set for a Democratic primary that is nasty, brutish and long.
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A New Hampshire voter wears a hat that reads "Make the White house Great Again." | Justin Sullivan/Getty Images

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02/10/2020 05:05 AM EST


MANCHESTER, N.H. — It's not just the chaos in Iowa or the newly bitter tone of the campaign in New Hampshire that's to blame for the angst gripping the Democratic Party in recent days.

It's the realization that the primary on Tuesday may do nothing to resolve the discord.

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Joe Biden and Pete Buttigieg, two centrists who are newly mauling each other, will move on to Nevada and South Carolina. So will Bernie Sanders, the frontrunner in New Hampshire, and Elizabeth Warren. Following the Iowa caucuses, Amy Klobuchar sent staffers to New Hampshire and Nevada.

The billionaires aren't going anywhere, either: Michael Bloomberg will confront all of those candidates on Super Tuesday, and Tom Steyer is polling well enough in South Carolina to disrupt the race there.

“It’s straight out of House of Cards or Veep, just the level of uncertainty [in] contest after contest if we don’t have a verdict,” said Jay Surdukowski, a New Hampshire-based attorney and Democratic activist who co-chaired Martin O’Malley’s 2016 presidential campaign in the state. “It could be a jump ball for months.”

Traditionally, Iowa and New Hampshire have culled unwieldy Democratic fields. This year, they are only adding to the muddle. And as the candidates swept across the icy roads of New Hampshire, Democrats began to settle in for a slog.

    “It’s straight out of House of Cards or Veep, just the level of uncertainty [in] contest after contest if we don’t have a verdict."

    - Jay Surdukowski, a New Hampshire-based attorney and Democratic activist

“Everybody’s in it as long as they can hang,” said state Sen. Lou D’Allesandro, a Biden supporter and an influential figure in New Hampshire’s primary politics. He called the possibility of a contested convention “more likely” than it had been only several weeks ago.

Even Ray Buckley, chairman of the New Hampshire Democratic Party, suggested a winnowing of candidates here is unlikely. While fielding questions about a possible recount in New Hampshire if the election Tuesday is close, Buckley said at a Bloomberg News event that after the Iowa caucus debacle, more party officials from around the country are preparing to travel to Nevada, South Carolina and other later states to help with their elections and caucuses.

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The primary is now in a state of “mumbo-jumbo,” said Robert Wolf, a venture capitalist and influential Democratic donor who raised money for and advised former President Barack Obama.

"This wasn’t a great week for the party,” Wolf said, adding that he fears the effects of a non-consolidated primary could linger.

“I think people have been misjudging the impact,” Wolf said. “When you narrow the field, things happen. All of the money’s going to a few candidates, the donor and grassroots excitement is going to a few candidates. From my perspective, that’s not showing to be true as we could have a field of eight into Super Tuesday.”

The uneasiness surrounding the nominating contest has been exacerbated by a sharpening of the campaign’s edges in New Hampshire.

Over the weekend, Biden, hobbled coming out of Iowa, ripped into Buttigieg. “This guy’s not Barack Obama,” the former vice president declared. He also released an ad mocking the gravity of Buttigieg's experience in South Bend, Ind., such as installing “decorative lights under bridges” and licensing regulations for pet chip scanners — the kind of local government experience that Buttigieg has said politicians should not discount.
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Buttigieg responded by portraying Biden as a creature of Washington. Steyer, meanwhile, aired ads attacking them both, Biden as an “insider” and Buttigieg as an “untested newcomer.”

Steyer, whose strong polling in South Carolina has startled many Democrats, on Friday challenged Biden to disavow remarks by a surrogate who suggested Steyer bought the support of the chair of South Carolina’s Legislative Black Caucus. He has not ruled out spending money on ads criticizing Biden’s record on race in an attempt to soften Biden’s overwhelming support among black voters.

The antagonism has begun to erode the persuasiveness of Democrats’ campaign-long calls for unity ahead of a general election against Donald Trump. And the disorder in the primary was accentuated by its contrast with one of the Republican president’s best weeks.

Trump thrilled Republicans with his State of the Union theatrics, was acquitted in the impeachment trial and posted a highest-ever 49 percent approval rating in the latest Gallup survey. Trump will once again insert himself into the primary campaign on Monday, when he hosts a rally in Manchester after staging a similar event in Iowa ahead of the caucuses.

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“This week didn’t feel good. There’s no doubt about that. It didn’t feel good from an ‘our party’ standpoint,” said Amanda Renteria, national political director of Hillary Clinton’s 2016 campaign.

“I think Iowa just spooked people again, not about any one candidate, but spooked them about the process in general," she said.

If New Hampshire offers any clarity to the primary, it is likely to come only as a matter of degree.

Many moderate Democrats are closely watching Warren’s performance in New Hampshire, fearful that if the progressive senator falls too far behind after a third-place showing in Iowa, her supporters may eventually rally to Sanders, strengthening his candidacy.
Bernie Sanders

“If it’s Sanders against the field, it’s a problem,” said Matt Bennett, a veteran of the 2004 presidential campaign and co-founder of the center-left group Third Way. | Andrew Harnik/AP Photo

“If it’s Sanders against the field, it’s a problem,” said Matt Bennett, a veteran of the 2004 presidential campaign and co-founder of the center-left group Third Way.

The durability of multiple moderate candidates could be problematic for moderates, as well.

Buttigieg performed well in Iowa and is surging in New Hampshire, but he has no demonstrated support among voters of color in the two states that come next, Nevada and South Carolina.

And in New Hampshire, Biden has emerged as the inverse case to Buttigieg. He all but wrote off the state during Friday's debate. But his demise, if it comes soon, likely won't arrive until South Carolina, where he remains ahead.

Even if Biden finishes fourth in New Hampshire, said Sean Lewis, vice chairman of the local Democratic Party in Salem, “he has super PAC money behind him, he has a lot of supporters who are still making the case that they’re going to bank on South Carolina, they’re going to bank on Super Tuesday.”

“It defies traditional logic,” said Lewis, a Sanders supporter. “But nothing about this primary has been traditional … Everything’s just fractured.”
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🗳️ New Hampshire primary kicks off voting in town of Dixville Notch
« Reply #1182 on: February 11, 2020, 03:35:23 AM »
AKA, "Dancing with the Dumbos"

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🗳️ Democratic candidates attack Bloomberg in Las Vegas debate
« Reply #1183 on: February 20, 2020, 04:52:16 AM »
The Gloves are coming off!   ;D

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Re: Election Errata
« Reply #1184 on: February 20, 2020, 08:31:58 AM »
It is so cute people thinker voters choose the president.

 

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