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Do you think Bernie Sanders will be Assassinated before he can be elected.

Yes Bernie will be killed before he can become president.
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No Bernie will be allowed to run against Trump.
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Re: Election Errata
« Reply #1200 on: February 20, 2020, 05:35:50 PM »
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Maybe not quite as sexy for you socialists as Bernie (and frankly, for me either)...but I am impressed that one of the richest guys in the world...who has nothing to worry about (no matter who wins)  with his net worth of over 64 BILLION bucks....that he cares enough about America to make a huge sacrifice to do what he thinks is right.
How many here have actually worked for a Billionaire or known any personally besides me?  I suggest my perspective has merit.  My perspective leads me to a thesis.  Rich people will destroy the world. 

Billionaire power will let bad ideas run the show until the curtain comes down if people don't rise up.  Rich people think it is enough to to make a pile of money any way they can after which they think donating a small percentage, a very small percentage when you look at what they actually have, to good causes.  After that they see everything as all good.  They think that they have done all they have to do.  Why?  This is why:

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“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.”

In their case assets substitute for a paycheck because their assets rival the assets of god.  And unlike some people they can't change where their paychecks come from.  Billionaires are not capable of leading to existential change.  All they will do are things that will maintain the status-quo as a variant of what already is.  With them ruling.  After all is said and done nothing will be fixed or changed because billionaires operate from the moral authority of money and money has no moral authority.  Money is abstraction, a tool, a number.  That is all money is but many people actually think money actually exists.  A bell shaped curve most likely determines a person awareness of this fact.

Bezos is the prime example right now.  I don't know the details but a headline came out a day or so ago that he is donating ten billion dollars to fight climate change.  Ten billion dollars wasted to jump start his billionaire version of a green new deal which has no chance of working out.  Fixing the planet with one hand while you destroy it with the other will not a planet save.  The thermodynamics don't work out.  The math falls flat and that is not the end of it. 

In the long run Bloomberg will be just as bad as Trump.  Bloomberg can dance to the right tune now but once in he will dance to his own music.  And billionaires still die and when they do their heirs take charge of their money and then suddenly what little conscience their money had, has none.

That's actually quite eloquent....I agree about Bezos and his climate initiatives, fwiw.  I never knew any billionaires.

Bernie is unique in his grassroots money-raising. That does make him less beholden....I would love to see what Bernie could do if he had both houses of congress..but my guess is that Bernie is too old (and we are too) to see the end of corporate control of politics in America. I wold expect some postives from a Bernie Presidency.

But the important thing is to defeat Trump now, before he manages to make himself President for Life and this country starts to get run like Brazil or Argentina.

And...the thing is.......that it takes money to win in this national election game.. Once you do win, and you're Trump, money is no problem. He has plenty of backers now, I'm sure.The main thing that won for Trump was cheating with social media skills provided by Bannon and Breitbart and this Brad Parscale guy...and Cambridge Analytica. But that doesn't matter. His faithful are still faithful. They have no brains.They probably multiply rapidly in captivity. And a large voter turnout might mean more of them, not less. I look for a large voter turnout in this election. 95% of eligible voters are registered here this year. It's unprecedented.

Hopefully if Bernie gets the nomination, he can raise money. But I give the advantage in this election to Trump. I hope the pardons bite him on the ass, but I doubt it. Bernie is an outlier in presidential politics......Almost all candidates have billionaire money behind them now
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But no way Bloomberg is as bad as Trump. I think you're wrong there. Not the same at all. You're probably right about the general behavior of billionaires and how they're corrupted by all that money.

I think there is some merit to your argument...but Bloomberg is just a rich guy who hates what Trump is doing and wants him gone......and is willing to put his money behind it. I don't look for him to do that much good in office if he were elected. It's a cinch whatever he did would be an improvement. The important thing is to vote Trump out.

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Re: Election Errata
« Reply #1201 on: February 20, 2020, 05:41:05 PM »

He should have given the debate a pass. His pros should have foreseen that it couldn't help him. 

Hindsight being 20-20 and all. But my point was that he/his team were irresponsible AF for not prepping him better.

It just set him up to be attacked by the very people who should be pulling together to beat Trump...but who are too busy trying to out-PC each other.

You sure as hell didn't watch the same debate I did. candidates staked out sharp differences, especially on policy. This was the only debate that held my interest (for as long as it did.) Coming up on Super Tuesday nut-cutting time.

I have some sincere suggestions for what you can do with your chronic "anti-PC" white privilege horseshit. They are mostly anatomically inpossible.

Yeah, I get it. Politics makes strange bedfellows. I'm sorry to be more-or-less on the same side as you. I'd rather have you for an enemy.

I never said I watched the debate. I wouldn't waste my time...and I worked until six and went to bed very early.
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Re: Election Errata
« Reply #1202 on: February 20, 2020, 05:52:35 PM »
How many here have actually worked for a Billionaire or known any personally besides me?  I suggest my perspective has merit.  My perspective leads me to a thesis.  Rich people will destroy the world. 

Me, for one.

In college, Rick MacArthur was one of my best friends.  That is the MacArthur of the Foundation and now the Publisher of Harper's Magazine.  He was Managing Editor of the Columbia Spectator when I was the Photography Editor.

I also met several of the Rockefellers when I was a boy in Brazil and Dad the Pigman was making all the bad loans to South American countries.

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I will add to that I played David Rockefeller a game of Chess when I was 9 or 10, can't remember exactly.  My dad told him he had to play against me. lol.  I crushed him. lol.  :icon_sunny:  He never played me again on another visit.

I am not so good as I was then, I don't play enough anymore.  Brain has stiffened up too. But I am still pretty fucking good at it.  lol.

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Re: Election Errata
« Reply #1203 on: February 20, 2020, 08:02:17 PM »
How many here have actually worked for a Billionaire or known any personally besides me?  I suggest my perspective has merit.  My perspective leads me to a thesis.  Rich people will destroy the world. 

Me, for one.

In college, Rick MacArthur was one of my best friends.  That is the MacArthur of the Foundation and now the Publisher of Harper's Magazine.  He was Managing Editor of the Columbia Spectator when I was the Photography Editor.

I also met several of the Rockefellers when I was a boy in Brazil and Dad the Pigman was making all the bad loans to South American countries.

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Ok and my thesis is ?
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Re: Election Errata
« Reply #1204 on: February 20, 2020, 08:06:15 PM »
I watched more of the debate.

And I'm watching our midget all the way through.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/qbDDoUdBq8s" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/qbDDoUdBq8s</a>

They are going after Bloomberg because Bloomberg is the one most likely to stick the knife in Bernie's back.
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Re: Election Errata
« Reply #1205 on: February 20, 2020, 09:11:09 PM »

Bernie is the best Demo candidate on the stump. He is hitting his stride. I hope his bodyguards are good. Some people would do anything to take him down, at this point. The convention worries me....and not jut because of the DNC machine,

Is there another Sirhan Sirhan on the horizon?  This scene is the one that turned me off from politics and voting for the rest of my life.  I was 11 years old.


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I'm not set up for it yet but you have done polls before.  Perhaps you could do something like this.

Do you think Bernie will be killed before he can be elected.  Yes or No.

I'd say how I weigh in but the considerations get very complicated and it might take a page or more to explain myself.  I could however vote in a Diner poll.

The question is sort of like asking if Jesus is going to be executed when he first arrives in Jerusalem.

A hint:

What if Pontius Pilate had seen Jesus as a deep state asset, as mortar between stones.  Stones off state; then giving the crowd a knee-jerk reaction might not have come so easy.   When all an average bureaucrat dude had to do was wash his hands and go home what else would you expect him to have done.  It's not like Pontius was someone who was enlightened, or someone who accepted Jesus as his personal lord and savior.  How could he?  Christianity had not yet been invented. 

But if he had said to himself. 'We can use this.......'
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« Reply #1206 on: February 20, 2020, 09:18:00 PM »

I'm not set up for it yet but you have done polls before.  Perhaps you could do something like this.

Do you think Bernie will be killed before he can be elected.  Yes or No.

I'd say how I weigh in but the considerations get very complicated and it might take a page or more to explain myself.  I could however vote in a Diner poll.

The question is sort of like asking if Jesus is going to be executed when he first arrives in Jerusalem.

A Yes/No question like that you can do right inside the SMF software, you don't need the special tools I use for complicated surveys,  Figure it out, you're a brilliant software engineer! lol.  :icon_mrgreen:

If you don't figure it out by tomorrow, I will set it up.  ;D

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Re: Election Errata
« Reply #1207 on: February 20, 2020, 09:31:00 PM »

I'm not set up for it yet but you have done polls before.  Perhaps you could do something like this.

Do you think Bernie will be killed before he can be elected.  Yes or No.

I'd say how I weigh in but the considerations get very complicated and it might take a page or more to explain myself.  I could however vote in a Diner poll.

The question is sort of like asking if Jesus is going to be executed when he first arrives in Jerusalem.

A Yes/No question like that you can do right inside the SMF software, you don't need the special tools I use for complicated surveys,  Figure it out, you're a brilliant software engineer! lol.  :icon_mrgreen:

If you don't figure it out by tomorrow, I will set it up.  ;D

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It only took a minute to figure out and the poll is at the top of this thread.  I voted and since I am the only one voting so far everyone can see how I voted if the choice still says 100%.  I set it to run for a week.
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Re: Election Errata
« Reply #1208 on: February 21, 2020, 03:21:29 AM »

I'm not set up for it yet but you have done polls before.  Perhaps you could do something like this.

Do you think Bernie will be killed before he can be elected.  Yes or No.

I'd say how I weigh in but the considerations get very complicated and it might take a page or more to explain myself.  I could however vote in a Diner poll.

The question is sort of like asking if Jesus is going to be executed when he first arrives in Jerusalem.

A Yes/No question like that you can do right inside the SMF software, you don't need the special tools I use for complicated surveys,  Figure it out, you're a brilliant software engineer! lol.  :icon_mrgreen:

If you don't figure it out by tomorrow, I will set it up.  ;D

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It only took a minute to figure out and the poll is at the top of this thread.  I voted and since I am the only one voting so far everyone can see how I voted if the choice still says 100%.  I set it to run for a week.

Not enough options. For example, I think the DNC/Biden/Bloomberg/Comcast/The Bilderbergers/Etc. will select Oprah at a brokered convention and Bernie will live out his natural life. But pigs will fly out of my ass and circle the moon before the corporate Dems allow him to become the nominee.
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« Reply #1209 on: February 21, 2020, 04:21:21 AM »

He should have given the debate a pass. His pros should have foreseen that it couldn't help him. 

Hindsight being 20-20 and all. But my point was that he/his team were irresponsible AF for not prepping him better.

It just set him up to be attacked by the very people who should be pulling together to beat Trump...but who are too busy trying to out-PC each other.

You sure as hell didn't watch the same debate I did. candidates staked out sharp differences, especially on policy. This was the only debate that held my interest (for as long as it did.) Coming up on Super Tuesday nut-cutting time.

I have some sincere suggestions for what you can do with your chronic "anti-PC" white privilege horseshit. They are mostly anatomically inpossible.

Yeah, I get it. Politics makes strange bedfellows. I'm sorry to be more-or-less on the same side as you. I'd rather have you for an enemy.

I never said I watched the debate. I wouldn't waste my time...and I worked until six and went to bed very early.

So then you squatted and squeezed out an opinion on the debate without any direct evidence whatsoever?
How... utterly clarifying.
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Re: Election Errata
« Reply #1210 on: February 21, 2020, 08:20:51 AM »

He should have given the debate a pass. His pros should have foreseen that it couldn't help him. 

Hindsight being 20-20 and all. But my point was that he/his team were irresponsible AF for not prepping him better.

It just set him up to be attacked by the very people who should be pulling together to beat Trump...but who are too busy trying to out-PC each other.

You sure as hell didn't watch the same debate I did. candidates staked out sharp differences, especially on policy. This was the only debate that held my interest (for as long as it did.) Coming up on Super Tuesday nut-cutting time.

I have some sincere suggestions for what you can do with your chronic "anti-PC" white privilege horseshit. They are mostly anatomically inpossible.

Yeah, I get it. Politics makes strange bedfellows. I'm sorry to be more-or-less on the same side as you. I'd rather have you for an enemy.

I never said I watched the debate. I wouldn't waste my time...and I worked until six and went to bed very early.

So then you squatted and squeezed out an opinion on the debate without any direct evidence whatsoever?
How... utterly clarifying.

No, I read several articles that said about what I expected them to say....that Bloomberg was attacked for his past known faux pas and unpopular (with SJW's) actions.
It certainly should have been expected and he should have been primed for that. It was 100% predictable, in my view.

I was basing what I said about the other candidates on what Ive been reading about them...and their platform planks. I never watch any network TV at all.

You need to drop the ad hom potty-mouth comments aimed at me, or I'm going to fling your shit back at you, a lot harder.

You're a typical SJW. No tolerance at all for anyone who doesn't believe the same stupid shit you believe. Good luck with that.
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Re: Election Errata
« Reply #1211 on: February 21, 2020, 08:35:18 AM »

I'm not set up for it yet but you have done polls before.  Perhaps you could do something like this.

Do you think Bernie will be killed before he can be elected.  Yes or No.

I'd say how I weigh in but the considerations get very complicated and it might take a page or more to explain myself.  I could however vote in a Diner poll.

The question is sort of like asking if Jesus is going to be executed when he first arrives in Jerusalem.

A Yes/No question like that you can do right inside the SMF software, you don't need the special tools I use for complicated surveys,  Figure it out, you're a brilliant software engineer! lol.  :icon_mrgreen:

If you don't figure it out by tomorrow, I will set it up.  ;D

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It only took a minute to figure out and the poll is at the top of this thread.  I voted and since I am the only one voting so far everyone can see how I voted if the choice still says 100%.  I set it to run for a week.

Not enough options. For example, I think the DNC/Biden/Bloomberg/Comcast/The Bilderbergers/Etc. will select Oprah at a brokered convention and Bernie will live out his natural life. But pigs will fly out of my ass and circle the moon before the corporate Dems allow him to become the nominee.

Oprah would be a very bad idea.  Bernie would not get any more votes than he would anyway and he would lose some.  Basic set theory.



Warren is the better choice and she too is anti Democratic Party mainstream.  There are parts of the Democratic Party who want it restored to being a party of the people.  Electing Bernie would save the Democratic party from destroying itself.  That Venn diagram is better for Bernie.



If someone else votes maybe a new poll in a week could have more options.
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« Reply #1212 on: February 21, 2020, 02:43:23 PM »
How many here have actually worked for a Billionaire or known any personally besides me?  I suggest my perspective has merit.  My perspective leads me to a thesis.  Rich people will destroy the world. 

Me, for one.

In college, Rick MacArthur was one of my best friends.  That is the MacArthur of the Foundation and now the Publisher of Harper's Magazine.  He was Managing Editor of the Columbia Spectator when I was the Photography Editor.

I also met several of the Rockefellers when I was a boy in Brazil and Dad the Pigman was making all the bad loans to South American countries.

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Ok and my thesis is ?

I didn't make any comment on your thesis.  I just answered a direct question you asked.

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« Reply #1213 on: February 21, 2020, 04:33:49 PM »
How many here have actually worked for a Billionaire or known any personally besides me?  I suggest my perspective has merit.  My perspective leads me to a thesis.  Rich people will destroy the world. 

Me, for one.

In college, Rick MacArthur was one of my best friends.  That is the MacArthur of the Foundation and now the Publisher of Harper's Magazine.  He was Managing Editor of the Columbia Spectator when I was the Photography Editor.

I also met several of the Rockefellers when I was a boy in Brazil and Dad the Pigman was making all the bad loans to South American countries.

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Ok and my thesis is ?

I didn't make any comment on your thesis.  I just answered a direct question you asked.

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My point is that I have a perspective which drives my opinion.  I was asserting credibility.  With your perspective you are in a position to evaluate it.   :emthup: or  :emthdown:.
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« Reply #1214 on: February 21, 2020, 06:59:58 PM »
How many here have actually worked for a Billionaire or known any personally besides me?  I suggest my perspective has merit.  My perspective leads me to a thesis.  Rich people will destroy the world. 

Me, for one.

In college, Rick MacArthur was one of my best friends.  That is the MacArthur of the Foundation and now the Publisher of Harper's Magazine.  He was Managing Editor of the Columbia Spectator when I was the Photography Editor.

I also met several of the Rockefellers when I was a boy in Brazil and Dad the Pigman was making all the bad loans to South American countries.

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Ok and my thesis is ?

I didn't make any comment on your thesis.  I just answered a direct question you asked.

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My point is that I have a perspective which drives my opinion.  I was asserting credibility.  With your perspective you are in a position to evaluate it.   :emthup: or  :emthdown:.

Well, 1st off I just did a rant on Bloombug right after the debate.  2nd, by now you should know my opinion of Rich People.  All rich people are Criminals.  The richer they are, the bigger criminal they are.  Billionaires are the biggest criminals of all.  Do you want criminals running Da Goobermint?  ???   :icon_scratch:

So, you generally get a  :emthup: for your thesis, although I don't think it goes far enough.

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