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Don't say you weren't warned when you lift the lid on the crazy box.

I know.   ;)
I am completely open to being persuaded that the conspiracies are true, but it has to be based on evidence, not joining the dots.
I am completely up to speed on this, and have no doubt I will NOT be given evidence.
Abuse, certainly, especially from AG.

I could always spend my time on some other blog - moonofalabama has far fewer crazies on it.
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I could always spend my time on some other blog - moonofalabama has far fewer crazies on it.

I find the crazies kind of charming.  :icon_mrgreen:



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Re: The empire plays the blame game.
« Reply #32 on: March 19, 2016, 08:17:49 PM »
Which is why I was happy to take the word of those who do this for a living, versus other folks who don't. Of course above ground explosions are seen in seismic, even something like the impact of the planes was seen, and that isn't near as dedicated an explosive force as demolition explosives packed against load bearing members, that must just like be a GONG ringing in the world of sound waves through solids. Think...hammer on a train rail...you can hear the thing for miles. The buildings coming down were huge signatures as well. Without a preceeding seismic signature of explosives....but hey, those guys only do this for a living, obviously they were part of the conspiracy.  :icon_mrgreen: :icon_mrgreen:

But like i said, I've been down this road before, and it always arrives at the same place. No need to expose the obvious all over again, nobody to show it off to, and I already knew it was there, so it isn't even any fun exposing it. Again. And around here it is mostly irrelevant anyway, this place runs to conspiracy, but not that kind.
I'm actually quite agnostic as to whether explosives were actually used on 9/11, so if you know where there is actual data and good analysis, I certainly could be persuaded by it.  But I am not just going to take the word of someone claiming to be an expert in the field, and even less so secondhand.
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I am completely open to being persuaded that the conspiracies are true, but it has to be based on evidence, not joining the dots.
I am completely up to speed on this, and have no doubt I will NOT be given evidence.
Abuse, certainly, especially from AG.

Here's some more dots to consider: http://consciouslifenews.com/911-prove-airplane-hit-pentagon-major-general-albert-stubblebine/1145271/
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Re: The empire plays the blame game.
« Reply #34 on: March 19, 2016, 08:57:38 PM »
Which is why I was happy to take the word of those who do this for a living, versus other folks who don't. Of course above ground explosions are seen in seismic, even something like the impact of the planes was seen, and that isn't near as dedicated an explosive force as demolition explosives packed against load bearing members, that must just like be a GONG ringing in the world of sound waves through solids. Think...hammer on a train rail...you can hear the thing for miles. The buildings coming down were huge signatures as well. Without a preceeding seismic signature of explosives....but hey, those guys only do this for a living, obviously they were part of the conspiracy.  :icon_mrgreen: :icon_mrgreen:

But like i said, I've been down this road before, and it always arrives at the same place. No need to expose the obvious all over again, nobody to show it off to, and I already knew it was there, so it isn't even any fun exposing it. Again. And around here it is mostly irrelevant anyway, this place runs to conspiracy, but not that kind.
I'm actually quite agnostic as to whether explosives were actually used on 9/11, so if you know where there is actual data and good analysis, I certainly could be persuaded by it.  But I am not just going to take the word of someone claiming to be an expert in the field, and even less so secondhand.

I agree, and you are advocating the position I take on nearly everything. Feel free to put on your own critical thinking hat and have at it.



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Re: The empire plays the blame game.
« Reply #35 on: March 19, 2016, 09:01:59 PM »
I agree, and you are advocating the position I take on nearly everything.

No you don't.  You're a Professional Liar who cherry picks data to suit your own agenda.

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http://consciouslifenews.com/911-prove-airplane-hit-pentagon-major-general-albert-stubblebine/1145271/

That's a video of an old man who talks.  He was a United States Army major general, retiring in 1984 - 17 years before 9/11.  He doesn't present any documents or links, or photographs or video evidence to back his case.  No one vouches for him being sane, or free of delusional thinking - on the contrary:

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After retirement Stubblebine became widely known for his interest, while on active duty, in psychic warfare and his hope to develop an army of soldiers with powers such as the ability to walk through walls.

Stubblebine became a proponent of psychic warfare and initiated a project within the U.S. Army Intelligence and Security Command (INSCOM), which he commanded from 1981 to 1984, to create "a breed of 'super soldier'" who would "have the ability to become invisible at will and to walk through walls". He attempted to walk through walls himself[2][3] — but failed, as he himself described in a 2004 interview.[4]

Searching "stubblebine" brings up the Official Website http://generalbert.com which redirects to http://drrimatruthreports.com , which carries his picture on the banner - it appears to be a natural medicine website, but also advertises his book (you KNEW there would be a book, didn't you?)

He also features in "Encyclopedia of American Loons" http://americanloons.blogspot.com/2013/01/378-albert-stubblebine-rima-laibow.html where he is listed (with his wife, Rima Laibow) as the President of Natural Solutions Foundation, whose logo appears at the above Dr Rima Truth Reports.  NSF appears to be a lobby group aiming to reduce restrictions on Natural Medicine.

Make of that what you will.  He is obviously a bit weird, and his opinions are not proof of anything.

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He had been on a Neuro-Linguistic Programming course (your vocabulary creates your mindset) and his wife is a psychiatrist, so it is possible that his wife is implanting vocabulary in his brain while under hypnosis, that shapes his view of the world, and he believes utterly.

I once had a therapeutic massage from a woman who was into NLP, and she said that I used the words "but" and "wrong" particularly often, which indicated a refusal to accept commonly held beliefs.  But we were both stoned at the time.
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The hammer blow on a train rail propagates half its energy in one direction half in the other and the only thing to attenuate the energy is the steel of the rail itself as it dissipates the shock wave into thermal energy with its passing and time.  An impulse of energy from an explosion rich in high frequency components on a support structure into soil would experience impedance mismatches of a frequent and random nature induced by the inhomogeneous substrate of the earth, the most significant impedance mismatch being at support structure/soil interface where most energy would be simply reflected.  Overall transmitted energy from the explosive impulses must be absorbed at a rate well in excess of the square cubed law placing signal detection of it in soil below the noise level of instrumentation unless the instrumentation was placed very close to where the impulse of energy enters the soil.  The low frequency more easily transmitted shock wave components of the impact and building collapse in contrast also being orders of magnitude larger in amplitude would have been detected much further away.  These components being far larger in amplitude on a recording could be used by the unscrupulous as propaganda to claim explosions did not happen.  A elephant standing next to a mouse can make a mouse unnoticed unless one is a professional mouse watcher.
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« Reply #38 on: March 20, 2016, 01:56:05 AM »
At 12 minutes into the video Kate has of Stubblebine he talks about puffs-puffs-puffs of smoke coming off the towers as they were pulled.  I remember seeing them right away, the day 9-11 happened.  It is the smoking gun for me.  If I were Stubblebine I'd be living in Chile too!

Kate is interesting herself.

http://discerningkate.com/politics-society/

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He had been on a Neuro-Linguistic Programming course (your vocabulary creates your mindset) and his wife is a psychiatrist, so it is possible that his wife is implanting vocabulary in his brain while under hypnosis, that shapes his view of the world, and he believes utterly.
Ad hominem

Did you even go past the first video?
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He also features in "Encyclopedia of American Loons" http://americanloons.blogspot.com/2013/01/378-albert-stubblebine-rima-laibow.html where he is listed (with his wife, Rima Laibow) as the President of Natural Solutions Foundation, whose logo appears at the above Dr Rima Truth Reports.  NSF appears to be a lobby group aiming to reduce restrictions on Natural Medicine.

Make of that what you will.  He is obviously a bit weird, and his opinions are not proof of anything.


The fact is once you cross deep government things happen to you.  Your reputation gets smeared on places like http://americanloons.blogspot.com/

I know, once I was the only K-Dog and web searches proved it to me.  Once I found out how the army was trolling the blogosphere and was making noise about it suddenly other K-Dogs appeared to confuse things and tarnish K-Dog as an image.  Nasty things.

Consider this your tax dollars at work.

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The top definition part happened after I complained about it.  The lizards do rule.

So smear his reputation all you want Palloy, I know how the game is played.

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Re: 9/11 obfuscation
« Reply #41 on: March 20, 2016, 04:24:39 AM »

You might try and actually watch the New Yorker piece before you pipe up.  If you had you would have realized that trying to blame this on incompetence isn't possible because the CIA did meet with the FBI and was careful to give them some but not all the information.  Cherry picking is quite a different thing than incompetence.  Specifically the FBI was shown a picture of a hijacker they did not know of and were asked if they knew who he was.  A picture of another hijacker the FBI did already know was a member of Al-Qaeda was then deliberately withheld so as not to alert the FBI that Al-Qaeda was in the country. 

This was not incompetence but a deliberate omission.  The meeting was a fishing expedition to find out if the FBI knew too much.   FYI:  The New Yorker Presents - Episode 1 Filmmaker Alex Gibney (Going Clear) tells how the FBI could have prevented the 9/11 attacks - if it weren't for the CIA. 

Ms Dog has Amazon Prime which is how I was able to watch it.  I had already known some of the story from the NOVA show I had seen some years ago.

By the end of 1999, the NSA had the names of three of the hijackers, Khalid al-Mihdhar, Nawaf al-Hazmi, and Salem al-Hazmi.  The NSA and CIA knew of Mihdhar's association with Al Qaeda, yet he was able to obtain a U.S. visa repeatedly.

911 was allowed to happen by the highest levels of our government so the terror state could be introduced to maintain and expand the military industrial complex and the bolster the existing power base.  It was done to introduce change that TPTB could believe in.  Change that would allow neocons in power to implement their invasion of Iraq which was already planned.

FYI, I watched the New Yorker program you mentioned last evening. The Alex Gibney piece was every bit as convincing as you describe. The "turf wars" between the FBI and the CIA can simply not be imagined without hearing the firsthand testimony of those involved.

Another terrific piece of journalism that remains beyond the reach of corpmedia.
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He also features in "Encyclopedia of American Loons" http://americanloons.blogspot.com/2013/01/378-albert-stubblebine-rima-laibow.html where he is listed (with his wife, Rima Laibow) as the President of Natural Solutions Foundation, whose logo appears at the above Dr Rima Truth Reports.  NSF appears to be a lobby group aiming to reduce restrictions on Natural Medicine.

Make of that what you will.  He is obviously a bit weird, and his opinions are not proof of anything.

// The lizards do rule.

So smear his reputation all you want Palloy, I know how the game is played.

Stubblebine's opinions may not be proof of anthing, but the preponderance of evidence... Dots... put the lie to the official story. If you care to read the record, to look, to read, and not carry water for TPTB.
The official 9-11 story belongs in the ash heap of history with the Single Bullet Theory.
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« Reply #43 on: March 20, 2016, 12:44:04 PM »

You might try and actually watch the New Yorker piece before you pipe up.  If you had you would have realized that trying to blame this on incompetence isn't possible because the CIA did meet with the FBI and was careful to give them some but not all the information.  Cherry picking is quite a different thing than incompetence.  Specifically the FBI was shown a picture of a hijacker they did not know of and were asked if they knew who he was.  A picture of another hijacker the FBI did already know was a member of Al-Qaeda was then deliberately withheld so as not to alert the FBI that Al-Qaeda was in the country. 

This was not incompetence but a deliberate omission.  The meeting was a fishing expedition to find out if the FBI knew too much.   FYI:  The New Yorker Presents - Episode 1 Filmmaker Alex Gibney (Going Clear) tells how the FBI could have prevented the 9/11 attacks - if it weren't for the CIA. 

Ms Dog has Amazon Prime which is how I was able to watch it.  I had already known some of the story from the NOVA show I had seen some years ago.

By the end of 1999, the NSA had the names of three of the hijackers, Khalid al-Mihdhar, Nawaf al-Hazmi, and Salem al-Hazmi.  The NSA and CIA knew of Mihdhar's association with Al Qaeda, yet he was able to obtain a U.S. visa repeatedly.

911 was allowed to happen by the highest levels of our government so the terror state could be introduced to maintain and expand the military industrial complex and the bolster the existing power base.  It was done to introduce change that TPTB could believe in.  Change that would allow neocons in power to implement their invasion of Iraq which was already planned.

FYI, I watched the New Yorker program you mentioned last evening. The Alex Gibney piece was every bit as convincing as you describe. The "turf wars" between the FBI and the CIA can simply not be imagined without hearing the firsthand testimony of those involved.

Another terrific piece of journalism that remains beyond the reach of corpmedia.



It occurs to me that part of the widespread cognitive anaesthesia regarding acceptance of the uncomfortable truths about 9-11 is general public unfamiliarity with the 'last man standing' principle.

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"Last Man Standing" scenario, in which the powerful (most often the ultra-wealthy and politically connected within American society and societies of other nations) will use their assets to promote their own survival at the expense of everyone else.

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Heinberg's "Last Man Standing" Hypothesis As Catastrophic Hallmark of Bush II
by Stan Moore
(Sunday, September 5, 2004)


http://usa.mediamonitors.net/content/view/full/9427

Last man standing is part of Neocon groupthink.  Groupthink uses newspeak to restrict dissent and the neocons are still very much in charge. :



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Newspeak is the official language of Oceania, scheduled for official adoption around 2050, and designed to make the ideological premises of Ingsoc (Newspeak for English Socialism, the Party’s official political alignment) the only expressible doctrine. Newspeak is engineered to remove even the possibility of rebellious thoughts—the words by which such thoughts might be articulated have been eliminated from the language. Newspeak contains no negative terms. For example, the only way to express the meaning of “bad” is through the word “ungood.” Something extremely bad is called “doubleplus ungood.”




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In Orwell’s book 1984 the main character Winston Smith wakes up and understands the enemy is manufactured.  The enemy always keeps changing and alliances shift.  First Oceania wars with Eastasia and is allied with Eurasia. Then a week later it's the other way around. The enemies exist only, to keep the populace of Oceania in a constant state of fear, making dissent unthinkable and punishable, the population docile and compliant.  Language is controlled.
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Don't say you weren't warned when you lift the lid on the crazy box.

I know.   ;)
I am completely open to being persuaded that the conspiracies are true, but it has to be based on evidence, not joining the dots.
I am completely up to speed on this, and have no doubt I will NOT be given evidence.
Abuse, certainly, especially from AG.

I could always spend my time on some other blog - moonofalabama has far fewer crazies on it.

I'm so sorry you feel so abused by the Law of Gravity and its "stubborn" applicability to the physics involved in the demolition of WTC 7. The last time I checked, New York City is on the surface of the Earth and WTC 7 was there too. The force of gravity there is 32 feet per second squared for ANY object, or part of one, in free fall. I was taught that "free fall" acceleration cannot be achieved when something is in the way of that free fall. When any part of a building being demolished is in the way because it ain't broke yet, you CANNOT achieve free fall.

And, in order to break all that stuff in the way OUT OF THE WAY in order to achieve FREE FALL, you need a very precise demolition sequence on EVERY support column, not just one or a few, that supports the building NEAR THE BASE OF THE BUILDING (where, in WTC 7' s case, there WERE NO FIRES). It takes at least two weeks ( rush job) to rig that demolition sequence. 

I guess you have other special knowledge about how to get around the laws of physics that you would like to enlighten us with.  ;)

As for MKing, it is expected that he would label "crazy" anyone that understands and can accurately measure what an acceleration of 32 feet per second squared is. That is what propagandists devoid of any ethical constraints whatsoever do to defend the propaganda lies they are paid to push.  :evil4:

But if you pair of propagandists want to push this bullshit effectively, I suggest you switch from fallacious debating techniques like appeals to authority or arrogant puffery to some really clever mendacity like, for example  :evil4:,  claiming the following video below has been "doctored" to make it look like the building fell at free fall speeds. You really ought to do that because, as long as you agree that the following video was not "doctored", you expose, for all to see, your serial mendacity. 

Who are ya gonna believe, Palloy and MKing, or yer own lyin' eyes?
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