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Re: How Donald Trump Can Clear The Field And Realign American Politics
« Reply #15 on: March 21, 2016, 03:54:58 AM »
".....other American Nazis here need to be resisted by any means necessary."

Beware who you work for and dont be duped;
http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2016/03/20/soros-disruption-american-style.html

Thank You Uncle Bob for pointing out this obvious situation.

There have been many articles about Soros and his big deep pocket tactics to mess with Trump lately, you picked an excellent one.

Donald certainly has all the rats scurrying about in an absolute dither, doesn't he?

I guess if an individual objects to Trump's insult-laden campaign filled with divisive rhetoric, brutalism, exhortation to violence on the part of his brigade of bigots, they are on the Soros payroll? Because such people are too "dim" to discern their own self interest?

Tell Uncle George my check is late.

And the "rats" around here clearly self-identify.
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Re: How Donald Trump Can Clear The Field And Realign American Politics
« Reply #16 on: March 21, 2016, 04:03:00 AM »

1 A guy who shaves beard and mo into "Anonymous" mask form. This conservative convert still has a lot to learn about conduct.

2. We know from her intv the woman is not a nazi and is mocking them calling her one. The guy talking to her released a story full of impossibilities and claimed to have stopped hate, but when people saw the intolerant behavior of using violence and intimidation to silence opposition, all other candidates who blamed the victim rather than condemn the thuggery were finished within a week.

3 might have changed his candidate.

Wrong on all counts, Bobbo. The story about the woman with the Hitler salute has already been reproduced here, and I have no desire to do your homework for you. Try to keep up.

#3 was a textbood Trump supporter.

And nice job hocking up a headline from Iranian state media. Mr. Quigg is engaging in either disinfo or idiocy:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-kkk_us_56e7373ae4b0b25c918304f2

But then Quigg is not the only one.

What's next, "The Secret Protocols...?"
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Re: How Donald Trump Can Clear The Field And Realign American Politics
« Reply #17 on: March 21, 2016, 04:30:14 AM »
".....other American Nazis here need to be resisted by any means necessary."

Beware who you work for and dont be duped;
http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2016/03/20/soros-disruption-american-style.html

Thank You Uncle Bob for pointing out this obvious situation.

There have been many articles about Soros and his big deep pocket tactics to mess with Trump lately, you picked an excellent one.

Donald certainly has all the rats scurrying about in an absolute dither, doesn't he?

I guess if an individual objects to Trump's insult-laden campaign filled with divisive rhetoric, brutalism, exhortation to violence on the part of his brigade of bigots, they are on the Soros payroll? Because such people are too "dim" to discern their own self interest?

Tell Uncle George my check is late.

And the "rats" around here clearly self-identify.

Donald Trump certainly has his faults, hardly a model of the perfect leader. Folks like myself Surly, view has popularity with many voters as a vote against the status quo of political frauds on both sides who have bull shitted us to death while lining their own pockets while in office and betraying us. To that sentiment I say BRAVO!

The rats referred to by me were in regards to the elites on both sides of the political aisle coming together to squash the candidate of this sentiment against their control and mendacity, not the folks who find Mr Trump a less than ideal candidate.

Mr Trump is what he is, folks finding him objectionable on account of his mannerisms is understandable, but the point is the Rats have formed an alliance to get him.

Bring out the rat poison Mr Trump, is my only retort to that group of lice.

                                                           

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Re: How Donald Trump Can Clear The Field And Realign American Politics
« Reply #18 on: March 21, 2016, 05:39:49 AM »

1 A guy who shaves beard and mo into "Anonymous" mask form. This conservative convert still has a lot to learn about conduct.

2. We know from her intv the woman is not a nazi and is mocking them calling her one. The guy talking to her released a story full of impossibilities and claimed to have stopped hate, but when people saw the intolerant behavior of using violence and intimidation to silence opposition, all other candidates who blamed the victim rather than condemn the thuggery were finished within a week.

3 might have changed his candidate.

Wrong on all counts, Bobbo. The story about the woman with the Hitler salute has already been reproduced here, and I have no desire to do your homework for you. Try to keep up.

#3 was a textbood Trump supporter.

And nice job hocking up a headline from Iranian state media. Mr. Quigg is engaging in either disinfo or idiocy:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-kkk_us_56e7373ae4b0b25c918304f2

But then Quigg is not the only one.

What's next, "The Secret Protocols...?"

Yes the story as told by the guy in the foto is full of impossibilities as i said. He claims to be the photographer. That is not possible unless he used a tripod and timer which seems very unlikely in the circumstance. He claims she said "in my day we did this". She would then need to be about 95. Very unlikely to be smoking like that and still walking. What i do believe from his story is that they made direct and veiled threats. He states somebody tore the trump sign out of their hands,  this seems to happen a hell of a lot. Safe to say its a top down directive. Also he said they told her to leave immediately because she was not safe. That is the anti trump protestors would attack them. You lnow the people there to protest the violent nature of trump for saying unkind things to people who keep charging him on stage, whose followers are not going and snatching signs from other candidates rallys and are not telling people at other rallies they will be lucky to make it home alive,  as the guy also described them saying to the woman in the foto.

Her story is simple and solid. She was born in 1946 after the demise of the nazis and it was illegal to seig heil, she is not a nazi. Im sure if she did have any connection with them it would have been discovered.

If the guy in the hood is textbook trump supporter the people around him should be at least smiling and clapping him,  instead they have called the police standing beside him to throw him out.

The story about quigg i chose from numerous available,  that quotes the Telegraph as the source. With so many sources such as cnn running it there should be calls for hillary to denounce the endorsement, but as usual its all do as i say not as i do, double standards. I still suspect his whole campaign could be running interference for hillary anyway, but as GO said he has all the right rats running scared and that more than makes up for being a dick in my book.
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Re: How Donald Trump Can Clear The Field And Realign American Politics
« Reply #19 on: March 21, 2016, 08:55:29 AM »
Mr Trump is what he is, folks finding him objectionable on account of his mannerisms is understandable, but the point is the Rats have formed an alliance to get him.

Bring out the rat poison Mr Trump, is my only retort to that group of lice.
I personally find Mr. Trump to be odious and many of his proposals to be lame, but, if he elected, I can count on him encountering stiff opposition.  A Hilliary Presidency would only be incrementally worse than Obama's, but her opposition I expect to be vocal but ineffectual.
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Re: How Donald Trump Can Clear The Field And Realign American Politics
« Reply #20 on: March 21, 2016, 02:25:55 PM »
Along the lines of this discussion, a sobering argument from a surprising quarter.

Donald Trump will win in a landslide. *The mind behind ‘Dilbert’ explains why.

By Michael Cavna March 21 at 6:00 AM 


A panel from “Dilbert.” (Scott Adams / Universal Uclick 1991)
SCOTT ADAMS remembers just how the game turned. He was young and improving at chess, but the masterful kid across the board would outmaneuver Adams till the game seemed a runaway. Now, this kid didn’t want to just beat Adams; he wanted to embarrass him. “So after he’d picked away three-fourths of my pieces and I was discouraged,” Adams recounts, “he would offer to turn the board around and play with my pieces.” And then effectively “win” again.

On those occasions, Scott Adams, the creator of “Dilbert,” got insight into the type of personality that loves not only the challenge of game strategy, but also the thrill of overwhelming the competition. It is the sport of meticulously plotted domination.

And that is part of why Adams believes Donald Trump will win the presidency. In a landslide.

Adams, in other words, believes that Trump himself has turned the campaign game around. On the stump, the real-estate mogul is not running on the knowledge of his numbers or the dissection of the data. He is running on our emotions, Adams says, and sly appeals to our own human irrationality. Since last August, in fact, when many were calling Trump’s entry a clown candidacy, the “Dilbert” cartoonist was already declaring The Donald a master in the powers of persuasion who would undoubtedly rise in the polls. And last week, Adams began blogging about how Trump can rhetorically dismantle Clinton’s candidacy next.

Adams, mind you, is not endorsing Trump or supporting his politics. (“I don’t think my political views align with anybody,” he tells The Post’s Comic Riffs, “not even another human being.”) And he is not saying that Trump would be the best president. What the Bay Area-based cartoonist recognizes, he says, is the careful art behind Trump’s rhetorical techniques. And The Donald, he says, is playing his competitors like a fiddle — before beating them like a drum.

Most simply put: Adams believes Trump will win because he’s “a master persuader.”

The Manhattan mogul is so deft at the powers of persuasion, Adams believes, that the candidate could have run as a Democrat and, by picking different hot-button issues, still won this presidency. In other words: Trump is such a master linguistic strategist that he could have turned the political chessboard around and still embarrassed the field.

Adams does not claim to be a trained political analyst. His stated credentials in this arena, says Adams — who holds an MBA from UC Berkeley — largely involve being a certified hypnotist and, as a writer and business author, an eternal student in the techniques of persuasive rhetoric. (His self-help memoir is titled “How to Fail at Almost Everything and Still Win Big: Kind of the Story of My Life.”)

“The most important thing when you study hypnosis is that you learn that humans are irrational,” Adams tells Comic Riffs. “Until you understand that, hypnosis is hard to do. … For me, it was this great awakening to understand that humans are deeply irrational, and it’s probably the greatest influence on me in terms of my writing.”

“This was a trick I learned from Bil Keane,” the late creator of “Family Circus,” Adams tells Comic Riffs. “He basically taught me to stop writing for myself, which I realized I had been doing — writing a comic that I wanted to read.”

So Adams pivoted to write more about the workplace, and the budding “Dilbert” in the early ’90s became “about this huge part of people’s lives that was invisible to the rest of the world and about suffering in a hundred different ways.”

“By simply mentioning that world,” Adams says, the comic connected with readers “on an emotional level.”

And isn’t that essentially, in turn, what Trump is doing? He is acknowledging the suffering of some, Adams says, and then appealing emotionally to that.

And he bolsters that approach, Adams says, by “exploiting the business model” like an entrepreneur. In this model, which “the news industry doesn’t have the ability to change … the media doesn’t really have the option of ignoring the most interesting story,” says Adams, contending that Trump “can always be the most interesting story if he has nothing to fear and nothing to lose.”


Having nothing to lose essentially then increases his chance of winning, because it opens up his field of rhetorical play. “Psychology is the only necessary skill for running for president,” writes Adams, adding: “Trump knows psychology.”

Within that context, here is what Candidate Trump is doing to win campaign hearts and minds, according to Scott Adams:


“Dilbert.” (by Scott Adams / Universal Uclick)
1. Trump knows people are basically irrational.

“If you see voters as rational you’ll be a terrible politician,” Adams writes on his blog. “People are not wired to be rational. Our brains simply evolved to keep us alive. Brains did not evolve to give us truth. Brains merely give us movies in our minds that keeps us sane and motivated. But none of it is rational or true, except maybe sometimes by coincidence.”

2. Knowing that people are irrational, Trump aims to appeal on an emotional level.

“The evidence is that Trump completely ignores reality and rational thinking in favor of emotional appeal,” Adams writes. “Sure, much of what Trump says makes sense to his supporters, but I assure you that is coincidence. Trump says whatever gets him the result he wants. He understands humans as 90-percent irrational and acts accordingly.”

Adams adds: “People vote based on emotion. Period.”


“Dilbert.” (by Scott Adams / Universal Uclick)
3. By running on emotion, facts don’t matter.

“While his opponents are losing sleep trying to memorize the names of foreign leaders – in case someone asks – Trump knows that is a waste of time … ,” Adams writes. “There are plenty of important facts Trump does not know. But the reason he doesn’t know those facts is – in part – because he knows facts don’t matter. They never have and they never will. So he ignores them.

“Right in front of you.”

And stating numbers that might not quite be facts nevertheless can anchor those numbers, and facts, in your mind.

4. If facts don’t matter, you can’t really be “wrong.”

Trump “doesn’t apologize or correct himself. If you are not trained in persuasion, Trump looks stupid, evil, and maybe crazy,” Adams writes. “If you understand persuasion, Trump is pitch-perfect most of the time. He ignores unnecessary rational thought and objective data and incessantly hammers on what matters (emotions).”


“Did Trump’s involvement in the birther thing confuse you?” Adams goes on to ask. “Were you wondering how Trump could believe Obama was not a citizen? The answer is that Trump never believed anything about Obama’s place of birth. The facts were irrelevant, so he ignored them while finding a place in the hearts of conservatives. For later.

“This is later. He plans ahead.”

 
“Dilbert.” (by Scott Adams / Universal Uclick)
5. With fewer facts in play, it’s easier to bend reality.

Steve Jobs famously aimed to create “reality distortion fields” to meet his needs and achieve his ends. Trump employs similar techniques, and apparently can be similarly thin-skinned when his “reality” is challenged. “The Master Persuader will warp reality until he gets what he wants,” writes Adams, noting that Trump is “halfway done” already.

(Among the persuasive techniques that Trump uses to help bend reality, Adams says, are repetition of phrases; “thinking past the sale” so the initial part of his premise is stated as a given; and knowing the appeal of the simplest answer, which relates to the concept of Occam’s razor.)

 
“Dilbert.” (by Scott Adams / Universal Uclick)
6. To bend reality, Trump is a master of identity politics — and identity is the strongest persuader.

“Do you think it is a coincidence that Trump called Megyn Kelly a bimbo and then she got a non-bimbo haircut that is … well, Trumpian?” Adams writes. “It doesn’t look like a coincidence to this trained persuader.”

One way to achieve this is by deploying “linguistic kill shots” that land true, and alter perception through two ways.

“The best Trump linguistic kill shots,” Adams writes,”have the following qualities: 1. Fresh word that is not generally used in politics; 2. Relates to the physicality of the subject (so you are always reminded).”

Writes Adams: “Identity is always the strongest level of persuasion. The only way to beat it is with dirty tricks or a stronger identity play. … [And] Trump is well on his way to owning the identities of American, Alpha Males, and Women Who Like Alpha Males. Clinton is well on her way to owning the identities of angry women, beta males, immigrants, and disenfranchised minorities.


“If this were poker, which hand looks stronger to you for a national election?”
“Dilbert” (by Scott Adams / Universal Uclick 2016)

Writer/artist/visual storyteller Michael Cavna is creator of the "Comic Riffs" column and graphic-novel reviewer for The Post's Book World. He relishes sharp-eyed satire in most any form.
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Re: How Donald Trump Can Clear The Field And Realign American Politics
« Reply #21 on: March 21, 2016, 04:03:32 PM »
The cartoonist is correct imo.

That was a woman in the hood in foto upthread, note the same shirt. Here you see her following out a man with her being ejected when jumped by a black trump supporter. Very sad the way he automatically assumes the handcuffing position, I hope the judge considers how insulting this was.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/03/20/black_trump_supporter_attacks_left-wing_protester_in__kkk_outfit.html
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