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« on: April 01, 2016, 06:40:18 PM »
While this is certainly Good Newz for the environment and reducing CO2 emmisions, it's pretty Bad Newz for a lot of folks all over the world from Wyoming to Oz to China who make a living mining coal.  Also, since so much of the global electric grid is currently powered by coal and getting new renewable plants online to replace them doesn' appear to be happening, one suspects lights will begin to dim in many places as these mines go outta biz.  That means also that any factories they have in such an area will no longer be able to produce goods, which means more layoffs.

It snowballs.

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http://trib.com/business/energy/wyoming-miners-after-mass-coal-layoffs-wonder-where-the-next/article_85e11529-fcae-5861-af27-0272805176bd.html

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Wyoming miners, after mass coal layoffs, wonder where the next paycheck will come from


    Benjamin Storrow 307-335-5344, Benjamin.Storrow@trib.com Updated 35 min ago 2

DOUGLAS -- Cody Barney, single father of three, leaned against the side of his pickup, took a drag of his cigarette and summoned the strength to lose his job.

It was shortly before 8 a.m. in the Holiday Inn parking lot, and the April wind was bitter cold. Barney spent 15 years working in field maintenance at Peabody Energy's North Antelope Rochelle Mine.

But instead of reporting to work, as he would have most mornings, he steered his red Ford Super Duty to the hotel here along the West Yellowstone Highway. Nothing about what waited inside appeared welcoming.

Earlier in the week, Barney was one of 235 miners to receive a letter telling him not to return to work on Friday. Then, on Thursday, the public announcement came. Peabody was cutting 15 percent of its 1,385-person workforce at America's largest coal mine.

"All right, boys," Barney said, with a flick of his cigarette, to three miners idling by a truck nearby. The group gathered, shared a brief laugh and disappeared inside.

Barney returned alone an hour later, a thin blue envelope in hand.

"It's not a good feeling," he said. "You have to move on. Look for work."

For Wyoming, the question of where laid-off miners like Barney find their next paycheck is now a pressing one. The state's oil and gas fields are dormant. Its machine shops are quiet. Unemployment is on the rise.

And coal, Wyoming's bedrock industry, is now in serious decline. Arch Coal joined Peabody in making a massive cut to its Cowboy State payroll on Thursday, letting 230 employees go from its Black Thunder Mine near Wright.

Coal accounted for roughly 14 percent of Wyoming's gross domestic product, 6 percent of its labor force and 11 percent of all government revenues in 2012, when the coal market was near its height. The average Wyoming miner's salary is $85,000.

At a news conference Thursday in Cheyenne, Gov. Matt Mead was asked if he was concerned about a mass exodus from the state.

"Obviously it is a concern," the governor said. "People need to be able to work and feed themselves, feed their families and have insurance. And when good jobs at the coal mine are lost and there isnít available immediate jobs that satisfy the career goals of those folks, itís understandable that they may look elsewhere."

Mead deployed a rapid-response team to help prevent such an exodus. The Department of Insurance will be helping laid-off miners go over their health care options, including those available to them under the Affordable Care Act. The Department of Workforce Services is helping with unemployment and alerting miners to potential job openings and other resources. And community colleges will be honing their programs to offer additional job training.

The governor spoke of trying to bring a large-scale industrial park to the state. Yet even those plans, he conceded, are little consolation to those who lost their jobs.

"Those are longer-term solutions, and for the miners today who are feeling the impact, that may be a long-term help to them," Mead said. "But I donít want to create false hope that there is going to be an industrial park opened up there next week."

Louise Carter-King, the mayor of Gillette, said she was not worried about a mass departure from her city. Its schools, parks and other public amenities make Gillette a desirable place to live, she said.

The mayor spoke of reimagining Gillette and bringing new industry to the city. But she provided few details of what that might entail. Carter-King instead cited the coordinated economic development efforts of local officials in northeast Wyoming and noted Gillette's pool of skilled laborers now in need of work.

A new business that would create 120 jobs could be coming to town, she said. The details, the mayor added, were confidential.

Many miners interviewed Friday said they preferred to stay in Wyoming. Their families are here. They like the schools and said it is safe for their kids.

But they said they would pursue work where they found it.

Eric Winslow, a Douglas resident and father of two who was laid off Friday after 10 years at North Antelope Rochelle, said he planned to go back to Casper College. His wife has a good job, but it won't pay the bills.

"Iím going to have to find something today, or tomorrow or the next day. Even if it's 10 bucks an hour," Winslow said. "Iím definitely going to retrain myself into something else. This boom and bust sh** -- now that I got kids."

He trailed off. Winslow grew up in Cheyenne and moved to Colorado after school before heading to Douglas to work for Peabody. The Wyoming native said he didn't see himself leaving his home state again, but he isn't against moving on if an opportunity presents itself.

"Iíd pull up in a heartbeat," he said. Later, he added, "This place is going to be a dust bowl. Drive through here and look at all the houses for sale here. So thatís why Iím going to have to scratch out and survive here, go to school, wash dishes, do whatever a guy's got to do."

Barney, the single father of three, sounded a similar note. He grew up on a ranch in Medicine Bow.

"Those of us from Wyoming would prefer to stay," he said. "But those of us raising kids, we have to look for work."
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« Reply #1 on: April 01, 2016, 07:10:47 PM »
Well thank you Re, it is refreshing to see a posting that explains the misery and despair that happens when a major industry shuts it's doors.

No one would argue that the environment is not better served, but how many show empathy and regard for the folks who have built their entire culture and lives around it for generations. Too little attention is being paid to these hard working folk, and not enough is being done.

In  a country that blows trillions on senseless wars, bailed out all the banks in Europe SECRETLY with trillions of dollars, what a travesty that more is not done to alleviate the misery of these poor folks who did nothing wrong but be born into a family of coal miners.

The re-education efforts, federal tax incentives, total grace periods of ten years or more on new business coming into the area and rebuilding; scores of ideas and helping hands that could be offered so easily are scant indeed. :-[

Our country should be focusing much more attention on the welfare of it's own citizens, rather than the entire world's. We have swine that will argue "They should have seen it Coming", Anyone with a Brain Would Have moved on Years Ago", "Progress Involves change, Live With It." :'(

Thank for pointing out this tragedy of our own countrymen, and may I add the millions of others who have watched their jobs, secutiy, and way of life moved off to China or another country because they allow corporations to fuck on poor people and pay them slave wages under the guise of "Uplifting Them".

                                             

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« Reply #2 on: April 01, 2016, 07:37:24 PM »
What is ALWAYS left out of these cratering fossil fuel industry downsides is that, thanks to "limited liability", the executives can legally shaft the employees with BREACH OF CONTRACT with the full approval of a bought and paid for bankruptcy court judge.

So much for the "sanctity of contracts" of Capitalism.

God Dammit! The MONEY is THERE! It's in the ASSETS of the executives. They own Land. They own HOUSES. They own STOCK in other corporations. They own COLLECTIBLES. They are getting away with FRAUD and GRAND LARCENY!

WHEN are we going to stop pretending we have become anything but THIS?!!! 


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« Reply #3 on: April 01, 2016, 10:39:13 PM »
All the bullshit about "a new industrial park coming, possibly" and re-training and job placement agencies is laughable.  The economy is in decline, and will be followed by more decline, and more decline, until the lights go out.  There are no jobs to be had anywhere.  Don't waste your tears on these unfortunate ex-workers, or you'll have none left for yourself when the time comes.

The article doesn't say if Joe Miner has a house and a mortgage, bought on the promise that he will have a job for the next 25 years - promise that he must have known he couldn't keep, so he shouldn't have made.  He'll probably lose the house, because no one is buying, and the truck as well.  Then he will learn about the social safety net, such as it is.

If only someone would come along who could "Make America Great Again", because we would believe that, wouldn't we?
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« Reply #4 on: April 02, 2016, 04:38:09 AM »
All the bullshit about "a new industrial park coming, possibly" and re-training and job placement agencies is laughable.  The economy is in decline, and will be followed by more decline, and more decline, until the lights go out.  There are no jobs to be had anywhere.  Don't waste your tears on these unfortunate ex-workers, or you'll have none left for yourself when the time comes.

The article doesn't say if Joe Miner has a house and a mortgage, bought on the promise that he will have a job for the next 25 years - promise that he must have known he couldn't keep, so he shouldn't have made.  He'll probably lose the house, because no one is buying, and the truck as well.  Then he will learn about the social safety net, such as it is.

If only someone would come along who could "Make America Great Again", because we would believe that, wouldn't we?

Hi Palloy, It becomes a question for me of did the jobs in our country disappear due to natural economic events, or were they shipped to foreign countries by fucking pig men who have no regards for anyone or anything but money. They sent our jobs and capital overseas due to our bought and paid for government becoming corrupted by their illegal monopoly powers to take advantage of the poor and downtrodden in other countries at the expense and well being of their own country and citizens.

I offer Apple and it's beloved chairman who claims God made him SPECIAL and different from the rest of us as just one example

This special person that God created claims to be an Irish corporation with billions hidden there to avoid US taxation, and produces his Irish Apples in China in world famous sweat shops.

My contention is the jobs, profits and manufacturing belong in the USA, and he and Apple are as Special and Irish as the shit I had this morning.

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« Reply #5 on: April 02, 2016, 07:03:41 AM »
All true, but whether they had done that or something else more to your liking, the whole enterprise was bound to come to an end some day, when the coal finally runs out and the smartphones fall silent.  The stories about the Golden Age of Apple will linger on for about 60 years after that, but will increasingly sound like magic and the following generations will be too embarrassed to re-tell them.
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« Reply #6 on: April 02, 2016, 12:52:09 PM »
All the bullshit about "a new industrial park coming, possibly" and re-training and job placement agencies is laughable.  The economy is in decline, and will be followed by more decline, and more decline, until the lights go out.  There are no jobs to be had anywhere.  Don't waste your tears on these unfortunate ex-workers, or you'll have none left for yourself when the time comes.

The article doesn't say if Joe Miner has a house and a mortgage, bought on the promise that he will have a job for the next 25 years - promise that he must have known he couldn't keep, so he shouldn't have made.  He'll probably lose the house, because no one is buying, and the truck as well.  Then he will learn about the social safety net, such as it is.

If only someone would come along who could "Make America Great Again", because we would believe that, wouldn't we?

Hi Palloy, It becomes a question for me of did the jobs in our country disappear due to natural economic events, or were they shipped to foreign countries by fucking pig men who have no regards for anyone or anything but money. They sent our jobs and capital overseas due to our bought and paid for government becoming corrupted by their illegal monopoly powers to take advantage of the poor and downtrodden in other countries at the expense and well being of their own country and citizens.

I offer Apple and it's beloved chairman who claims God made him SPECIAL and different from the rest of us as just one example

This special person that God created claims to be an Irish corporation with billions hidden there to avoid US taxation, and produces his Irish Apples in China in world famous sweat shops.

My contention is the jobs, profits and manufacturing belong in the USA, and he and Apple are as Special and Irish as the shit I had this morning.

The JOBS are out there. They are IN Renewable Energy. That is the ONLY infrastructure investment BY THE GOVERNMENT that MUST be made to ENSURE that the corporate bastards that DO NOT HONOR the "sanctity of contracts" (unless it has to do with claiming some poor coal mining slob was "irresponsible" for buying a car or a mortgage.  :evil4:) involving PROMISED pension benefits and health care coverage ARE FORCED TO HONOR THOSE CONTRACTED FOR PROMISES.

All those corporations received MASSIVE government help through subsidies that the EXECUTIVES Capitalized on! And NOW you want to blame the government and/or the employees for "irresponsible" behavior?  :icon_scratch: ???

Cherry picking about who is responsible and who isn't is UNETHICAL in the EXTREME! I repeat, the paintings, furniture, houses, stock in other corporations and INCOME properties the executives of these fossil fuel corporations HAVE should be SOLD to fund job retraining for the fossil fuel industry employees AND ensure they get the pension and health care benefits they contracted for in good faith. ANYTHING else is IRRESPONSIBLE!

The Clean Power Plan CAN provide BETTER jobs for the employees that CANNOT be subsequently offshored to China or anywhere else!

Some of those corporate bastards that made the most money from offshoring FINALLY understand this.


Apple, Google, Amazon and Microsoft File Amicus Brief in Support of the Clean Power Plan
Greenpeace | April 1, 2016 2:34 pm

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ďAmazon, Apple, Google and Microsoft have each committed to powering their operations with 100 percent renewable energy and they know that achieving these corporate commitments will not be possible without state and federal policy solutions such as the Clean Power Plan that will drive new investment in renewable energy.

ďContrary to claims by Clean Power Plan opponents that these policies will drive business outside of the U.S., some of the largest and fastest growing companies are saying explicitly that they want policies that will lead to a renewable energy future.

Itís past time that the governors who have challenged the Clean Power Plan and utilities themselves respond by joining the transition from coal to clean energy.Ē
http://ecowatch.com/2016/04/01/amicus-brief-clean-power-plan/

03/31/2016 10:42 AM     2.5 Million Americans Are Employed By Renewable Energy Industries Energy efficiency is the biggest employer by far, with 1.9 million jobs.
http://www.sustainablebusiness.com/index.cfm/go/news.display/id/26590



 
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« Reply #7 on: April 02, 2016, 01:59:27 PM »
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The Clean Power Plan CAN provide BETTER jobs for the employees that CANNOT be subsequently offshored to China or anywhere else!

Some of those corporate bastards that made the most money from offshoring FINALLY understand this.

True Agelbert, little doubt about it. 

I was addressing the empathy issue of these bastards when replying to Palloy, not bothering arguing with him about the job opportunities you have brought up repeatedly, because he is a full doomer who sees us all in the jungle soon.

May I assume that we are on the same wavelength when you say the bastards finally get it?

What they get in my view is the visions of mountains of Benjamins they have wet dreams about at night as they envision in the tremendous opportunities they see ahead for the Renewable Energy Industry, and the vast opportunities it presents for jobs and piggies as well.   

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« Reply #8 on: April 02, 2016, 02:25:34 PM »
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The Clean Power Plan CAN provide BETTER jobs for the employees that CANNOT be subsequently offshored to China or anywhere else!

Some of those corporate bastards that made the most money from offshoring FINALLY understand this.

True Agelbert, little doubt about it. 

I was addressing the empathy issue of these bastards when replying to Palloy, not bothering arguing with him about the job opportunities you have brought up repeatedly, because he is a full doomer who sees us all in the jungle soon.

May I assume that we are on the same wavelength when you say the bastards finally get it?

What they get in my view is the visions of mountains of Benjamins they have wet dreams about at night as they envision in the tremendous opportunities they see ahead for the Renewable Energy Industry, and the vast opportunities it presents for jobs and piggies as well.   

Yes you may.  ;D

The central issue of responsibility for smart or foolish economic decisions is something I harp on because it is the Achilles heel of the blatantly biased discourse that routinely defends the "job creators" as "worthy" of their golden parachutes and the "free market" decisions by the workers to contract with said "job creators" as a one way accountability street.

People say, "The system is rigged. So what? Live with it.".  I say that I DO "live with it" as best I can without compromising ethical behavior.

Scapegoating laid off workers who ACTUALLY are coerced into accepting breach of contract is unnecessary and unethical. The greater economic errors and irresponsible decisions were made by the managers and executives. SO, the appropriate assignment of blame and claims for restitution should be ascribed to the stock holders and the board of directors.

Sure, the system is rigged. But workers, who DID act responsibly in their decisions, are the victims of the rigging, not the cause.

My point, GO, one that we have had some arguments about  ;), is that Capitalism is, by definition, a deliberately slanted "playing field". The terms used are bandied about with a certain weight for workers and another weight for management. That's wrong.
 
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« Reply #9 on: April 02, 2016, 02:56:17 PM »
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The Clean Power Plan CAN provide BETTER jobs for the employees that CANNOT be subsequently offshored to China or anywhere else!

Some of those corporate bastards that made the most money from offshoring FINALLY understand this.

True Agelbert, little doubt about it. 

I was addressing the empathy issue of these bastards when replying to Palloy, not bothering arguing with him about the job opportunities you have brought up repeatedly, because he is a full doomer who sees us all in the jungle soon.

May I assume that we are on the same wavelength when you say the bastards finally get it?

What they get in my view is the visions of mountains of Benjamins they have wet dreams about at night as they envision in the tremendous opportunities they see ahead for the Renewable Energy Industry, and the vast opportunities it presents for jobs and piggies as well.   

Yes you may.  ;D

The central issue of responsibility for smart or foolish economic decisions is something I harp on because it is the Achilles heel of the blatantly biased discourse that routinely defends the "job creators" as "worthy" of their golden parachutes and the "free market" decisions by the workers to contract with said "job creators" as a one way accountability street.

People say, "The system is rigged. So what? Live with it.".  I say that I DO "live with it" as best I can without compromising ethical behavior.

Scapegoating laid off workers who ACTUALLY are coerced into accepting breach of contract is unnecessary and unethical. The greater economic errors and irresponsible decisions were made by the managers and executives. SO, the appropriate assignment of blame and claims for restitution should be ascribed to the stock holders and the board of directors.

Sure, the system is rigged. But workers, who DID act responsibly in their decisions, are the victims of the rigging, not the cause.

My point, GO, one that we have had some arguments about  ;), is that Capitalism is, by definition, a deliberately slanted "playing field". The terms used are bandied about with a certain weight for workers and another weight for management. That's wrong.

True again Agelbert, but kindly let me restate my view in another way.

My argument is that all economic systems have flaws and evils, and the Capitalist system was less slanted a while back when we had some responsible people representing both sides of the equation. I found it "Bearable" but hardly ideal.

What Capitalism has evolved into, call it what you may, with the bought and paid for lice we have today managing the playing field is "Unbearable." Let me go so far as to say it is Hell on earth for most.

I have a hunch that the pendulum is going to swing back soon, and  a strong felling it ain't gonna be pretty when it does.  :-\

By the way, let me take the opportunity to thank you and the other fine people from Vermont for forcing the piggies to label the GMO poison they wish to kill us with on their products. The balls on  those bastards AG, the fucking gall and balls of those pricks when you really stop and think about it.

We are not entitled to know what the nice boys are feeding us, it's just UNBELIEVABLE.   

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« Reply #10 on: April 02, 2016, 06:10:04 PM »
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The Clean Power Plan CAN provide BETTER jobs for the employees that CANNOT be subsequently offshored to China or anywhere else!

Some of those corporate bastards that made the most money from offshoring FINALLY understand this.

True Agelbert, little doubt about it. 

I was addressing the empathy issue of these bastards when replying to Palloy, not bothering arguing with him about the job opportunities you have brought up repeatedly, because he is a full doomer who sees us all in the jungle soon.

May I assume that we are on the same wavelength when you say the bastards finally get it?

What they get in my view is the visions of mountains of Benjamins they have wet dreams about at night as they envision in the tremendous opportunities they see ahead for the Renewable Energy Industry, and the vast opportunities it presents for jobs and piggies as well.   

Yes you may.  ;D

The central issue of responsibility for smart or foolish economic decisions is something I harp on because it is the Achilles heel of the blatantly biased discourse that routinely defends the "job creators" as "worthy" of their golden parachutes and the "free market" decisions by the workers to contract with said "job creators" as a one way accountability street.

People say, "The system is rigged. So what? Live with it.".  I say that I DO "live with it" as best I can without compromising ethical behavior.

Scapegoating laid off workers who ACTUALLY are coerced into accepting breach of contract is unnecessary and unethical. The greater economic errors and irresponsible decisions were made by the managers and executives. SO, the appropriate assignment of blame and claims for restitution should be ascribed to the stock holders and the board of directors.

Sure, the system is rigged. But workers, who DID act responsibly in their decisions, are the victims of the rigging, not the cause.

My point, GO, one that we have had some arguments about  ;), is that Capitalism is, by definition, a deliberately slanted "playing field". The terms used are bandied about with a certain weight for workers and another weight for management. That's wrong.

True again Agelbert, but kindly let me restate my view in another way.

My argument is that all economic systems have flaws and evils, and the Capitalist system was less slanted a while back when we had some responsible people representing both sides of the equation. I found it "Bearable" but hardly ideal.

What Capitalism has evolved into, call it what you may, with the bought and paid for lice we have today managing the playing field is "Unbearable." Let me go so far as to say it is Hell on earth for most.

I have a hunch that the pendulum is going to swing back soon, and  a strong felling it ain't gonna be pretty when it does.  :-\

By the way, let me take the opportunity to thank you and the other fine people from Vermont for forcing the piggies to label the GMO poison they wish to kill us with on their products. The balls on  those bastards AG, the fucking gall and balls of those pricks when you really stop and think about it.

We are not entitled to know what the nice boys are feeding us, it's just UNBELIEVABLE.   

Well said.   

 And you are most welcome about the Vermont GMO Law.  :icon_sunny:
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« Reply #11 on: April 02, 2016, 06:38:20 PM »
I agree with all that - yes, corporations have a big responsibility to their workers, not only an ethical one, but it also should be a legal one enforceable at law, to offer decent working conditions, pay, pension support, and work-place safety, and work-place accident insurance/compensation.  And I agree they don't do it properly, and that the system allows them to get away with it.  The system sucks.

I note that Apple/Google/Microsoft want "federal policy solutions such as the Clean Power Plan that will drive new investment in renewable energy. "  It is unclear what "drive" means in this context, but it is a good bet that it means USG paying some or all of the cost - in other words more corporate subsidies/tax-breaks.

Estimates vary but 2 - 16% of world energy consumption is used by the internet, so that is a massive amount just to watch TV streaming and porn and cat videos.  Did you know, the 435-pound, 5.5-foot.-long Chevy Volt battery, when fully charged, carries the energy equivalent of just a single gallon of gasoline weighing 6 pounds.
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« Reply #12 on: April 02, 2016, 06:42:23 PM »
While this is certainly Good Newz for the environment and reducing CO2 emmisions, it's pretty Bad Newz for a lot of folks all over the world from Wyoming to Oz to China who make a living mining coal.  Also, since so much of the global electric grid is currently powered by coal and getting new renewable plants online to replace them doesn' appear to be happening, one suspects lights will begin to dim in many places as these mines go outta biz.

A change has been afoot that apparently you have missed.

http://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.cfm?id=22312

With the onslaught of the shale revolution results, there is a NEW master fuel in town...replacing coal as we speak.

More energy news from professionals...less random speculation from bloggers!

Bring on the gas drilling rigs and the Utica!!

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« Reply #13 on: April 02, 2016, 06:50:58 PM »
While this is certainly Good Newz for the environment and reducing CO2 emmisions, it's pretty Bad Newz for a lot of folks all over the world from Wyoming to Oz to China who make a living mining coal.  Also, since so much of the global electric grid is currently powered by coal and getting new renewable plants online to replace them doesn' appear to be happening, one suspects lights will begin to dim in many places as these mines go outta biz.

A change has been afoot that apparently you have missed.

I haven't missed anything. The current glut of NG being sold at prices below the cost of production is doing nothing for the coal miners, the NG extractors aren't hiring them, in fact they are laying off their own workers to try to stay floating and keep the debt rolling over.

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« Reply #14 on: April 03, 2016, 04:51:59 AM »
All the bullshit about "a new industrial park coming, possibly" and re-training and job placement agencies is laughable.  The economy is in decline, and will be followed by more decline, and more decline, until the lights go out.

That's what was claimed last time. And the time before that. Didn't happen then either.

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There are no jobs to be had anywhere. 

You missed the thread where Roamer is headed back to work in the oil field. And where I was interviewing a petroleum engineer next week. And he isn't the only one, we hired a nice young lady with a degree in math not 2 months ago. And even I'm getting nibbles from folks in Houston. Maybe YOU don't know anyone hiring, but that isn't the case in my world.

Now, people in a specific industry, or basin, related to energy extraction? That has always gone with prices, and always will.

Sometimes one creates a dynamic impression by saying something, and sometimes one creates as significant an impression by remaining silent.
-Dalai Lama

 

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