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If you are 18-49 and not raising children, (all half a million of you), then you are certain to get a job in 3 months.  If you don't then you can starve, (or maybe loot a supermarket).  USA! USA!

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Food Banks Brace for Long Lines as Thousands Lose SNAP Benefits
Brynne Keith-Jennings
April 20, 2016

Across the country, food banks and other organizations that serve the needy are preparing for long lines as childless adults begin losing SNAP (formerly food stamps) benefits due to the return in over 20 states of a three-month time limit for able-bodied adults.  Federal law limits adults aged 18-49 who aren’t raising minor children to three months of SNAP out of every three years unless they’re working at least 20 hours a week or participating in a job training program at least 20 hours a week.  More than half a million people will lose SNAP over the course of the year due to the time limit.

The time limit is “going to increase hunger among some of the most vulnerable Mississippians,” says Matt Williams of the Mississippi Center for Justice.  “I think it will further stress service providers who are already trying to fill a gap in the available food assistance programs, and I think we will see their resources stretched to the max with increased demand.”  In Mississippi alone, 50,000 people may lose benefits this year due to the time limit, the state estimates.

In New York State, Erica Santiago of the Food Bank for Westchester predicts, “We're not going to run out of food, but it may mean that people get three days’ worth instead of seven days’ worth. . . .  This will also impact people who aren't losing their benefits — there's a trickle down effect.”

Under the time limit, people can lose benefits even if they are looking for and can’t find work, or if no spots are available in a job training program.  The time limit “was based on the assumption that there are work programs to help these people and there are no programs. They cost too much,” Lucy Potter of Greater Hartford Legal Aid in Connecticut says.

The time limit is especially difficult for people with barriers to work, such as limited education and skills.  Most childless adults aren’t eligible for other forms of government assistance, and their incomes while receiving SNAP average less than one-third of the poverty line.

The people expected to lose SNAP due to the time limit “tend to be some of the poorest of the poor, some of the hardest to employ,” says Mike Miller of the Food Bank of Alaska.  “They are typically of limited education . . .  they’re the hardest people to try and find a job.”

Noting that an estimated 21,000 people in Arizona may lose benefits, Angie Rodgers of the Association of Arizona Food Banks explains, “My concern is there certainly aren’t 21,000 jobs available. . . .  So there are going to be some individuals who will be left without employment and they will also be left without food to get the job, so I’m concerned about what will happen to them in the short term.”
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Re: Food Banks Brace for Long Lines as Thousands Lose SNAP Benefits
« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2016, 08:35:57 PM »
If you are 18-49 and not raising children, (all half a million of you), then you are certain to get a job in 3 months.  If you don't then you can starve, (or maybe loot a supermarket).

Better yet, commit a crime and go to jail.  3 Hots and a Cot.  You get  a roof over your head, a library, medical and dental care and exercise facilities too!  Just don't be too young and attractive.  :-*

A good idea would be to check out the jails in various states to find out which are the best and make sure you commit your crime in that state.  Pick crimes with about a 3 year sentence.  Every 3 years you get out, you are eligible for 3 months of Food Stamps.  If you're careful with your food budget, you can get 6 months out of this, plus what you can get from the Food Banks.

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Re: Food Banks Brace for Long Lines as Thousands Lose SNAP Benefits
« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2016, 08:42:59 PM »
WAIT!  I think I found a LOOPHOLE!  :icon_sunny:

It says you lose your bennies UNLESS you are in a job training program or are working 20 hours a week or more.  So VOLUNTEER 20 hours a week somewhere.  When asked if you have a job, you say yes, I work at the Senior Center 20 hours a week.  How much do you earn?  "I earn $0 per hour".  So you are working and under the income level to be eligible for Food Stamps!  I don't think the law stipulates that the job must be a paying job, just that you must have a job and be willing and able to work.

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Re: Food Banks Brace for Long Lines as Thousands Lose SNAP Benefits
« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2016, 10:30:11 PM »
WAIT!  I think I found a LOOPHOLE!  :icon_sunny:

It says you lose your bennies UNLESS you are in a job training program or are working 20 hours a week or more.  So VOLUNTEER 20 hours a week somewhere.  When asked if you have a job, you say yes, I work at the Senior Center 20 hours a week.  How much do you earn?  "I earn $0 per hour".  So you are working and under the income level to be eligible for Food Stamps!  I don't think the law stipulates that the job must be a paying job, just that you must have a job and be willing and able to work.

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It would go without saying as its obviously all about getting people into paid work, and if it were an option it would be mentioned. Work is defined as employment.
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Re: Food Banks Brace for Long Lines as Thousands Lose SNAP Benefits
« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2016, 10:33:34 PM »
WAIT!  I think I found a LOOPHOLE!  :icon_sunny:

It says you lose your bennies UNLESS you are in a job training program or are working 20 hours a week or more.  So VOLUNTEER 20 hours a week somewhere.  When asked if you have a job, you say yes, I work at the Senior Center 20 hours a week.  How much do you earn?  "I earn $0 per hour".  So you are working and under the income level to be eligible for Food Stamps!  I don't think the law stipulates that the job must be a paying job, just that you must have a job and be willing and able to work.

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It would go without saying as its obviously all about getting people into paid work, and if it were an option it would be mentioned. Work is defined as employment.

You ARE employed!  You are also Paid.  $0/hr is your wage.

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Re: Food Banks Brace for Long Lines as Thousands Lose SNAP Benefits
« Reply #5 on: April 25, 2016, 12:41:01 AM »
WAIT!  I think I found a LOOPHOLE!  :icon_sunny:

It says you lose your bennies UNLESS you are in a job training program or are working 20 hours a week or more.  So VOLUNTEER 20 hours a week somewhere.  When asked if you have a job, you say yes, I work at the Senior Center 20 hours a week.  How much do you earn?  "I earn $0 per hour".  So you are working and under the income level to be eligible for Food Stamps!  I don't think the law stipulates that the job must be a paying job, just that you must have a job and be willing and able to work.

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It would go without saying as its obviously all about getting people into paid work, and if it were an option it would be mentioned. Work is defined as employment.
Don't be so sure about that!  This isn't even going against the spirit of the law.  For people with few skills and little work experience, volunteering is one of the best ways to prepare for getting a job.  In some ways, it's even better than job training programs, because as a volunteer you are still expected to produce real results.  Training programs are a fine way to acquire skills, but they are focused on the students.  Volunteer programs are generally not focused on the volunteers.

And it may not even be against the letter of the law, either.  Maybe the reporter just failed to mention it.  But before Pennsylvania updated its Medicaid to comply with Obamacare, they had a requirement that able-bodied recipients be working 20 hours a week, be looking for work, or volunteer.  Now, as per Obamacare guidelines, anyone making less than 138% of Federal poverty level is eligible, regardless of disability or assets.
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Re: Food Banks Brace for Long Lines as Thousands Lose SNAP Benefits
« Reply #6 on: April 25, 2016, 02:38:07 AM »
WAIT!  I think I found a LOOPHOLE!  :icon_sunny:

It says you lose your bennies UNLESS you are in a job training program or are working 20 hours a week or more.  So VOLUNTEER 20 hours a week somewhere.  When asked if you have a job, you say yes, I work at the Senior Center 20 hours a week.  How much do you earn?  "I earn $0 per hour".  So you are working and under the income level to be eligible for Food Stamps!  I don't think the law stipulates that the job must be a paying job, just that you must have a job and be willing and able to work.

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It would go without saying as its obviously all about getting people into paid work, and if it were an option it would be mentioned. Work is defined as employment.
Don't be so sure about that!  This isn't even going against the spirit of the law.  For people with few skills and little work experience, volunteering is one of the best ways to prepare for getting a job.  In some ways, it's even better than job training programs, because as a volunteer you are still expected to produce real results.  Training programs are a fine way to acquire skills, but they are focused on the students.  Volunteer programs are generally not focused on the volunteers.

And it may not even be against the letter of the law, either.  Maybe the reporter just failed to mention it.  But before Pennsylvania updated its Medicaid to comply with Obamacare, they had a requirement that able-bodied recipients be working 20 hours a week, be looking for work, or volunteer.  Now, as per Obamacare guidelines, anyone making less than 138% of Federal poverty level is eligible, regardless of disability or assets.

That's not the END of it!  I am going to flesh this out for next week's Sunday Brunch blog.

I have a SLAM DUNK method to obliterate this LEGALLY, and it is BULLETPROOF!  :icon_sunny:

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Re: Food Banks Brace for Long Lines as Thousands Lose SNAP Benefits
« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2016, 05:17:45 AM »
WAIT!  I think I found a LOOPHOLE!  :icon_sunny:

It says you lose your bennies UNLESS you are in a job training program or are working 20 hours a week or more.  So VOLUNTEER 20 hours a week somewhere.  When asked if you have a job, you say yes, I work at the Senior Center 20 hours a week.  How much do you earn?  "I earn $0 per hour".  So you are working and under the income level to be eligible for Food Stamps!  I don't think the law stipulates that the job must be a paying job, just that you must have a job and be willing and able to work.

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It would go without saying as its obviously all about getting people into paid work, and if it were an option it would be mentioned. Work is defined as employment.
Don't be so sure about that!  This isn't even going against the spirit of the law.  For people with few skills and little work experience, volunteering is one of the best ways to prepare for getting a job.  In some ways, it's even better than job training programs, because as a volunteer you are still expected to produce real results.  Training programs are a fine way to acquire skills, but they are focused on the students.  Volunteer programs are generally not focused on the volunteers.

And it may not even be against the letter of the law, either.  Maybe the reporter just failed to mention it.  But before Pennsylvania updated its Medicaid to comply with Obamacare, they had a requirement that able-bodied recipients be working 20 hours a week, be looking for work, or volunteer.  Now, as per Obamacare guidelines, anyone making less than 138% of Federal poverty level is eligible, regardless of disability or assets.

Really insulted as a libertarian by that assumption on your part JDW. Of course volunteering is a great way to get experience and skills to get a start in a specialization, esp where they say sorry not hiring inexperienced. Approach an owner operator and work for free to get specialised skills and show youre not an unknown risk they cant get rid of after taking a chance on hiring. Get skills that the competition would want and would pay for if the owner doesnt. But we are talking here about solutions to staying on statist food stamps. I did look up for alaska guidelines on the work requirement, volunteering isnt mentioned. You might swing it if you can prove its making up credit toward a qualification youre enrolled in, ie in training.  What you can do though is work around the able bodied requirement. Select a multi story building,  and jump from the third floor if onto pavement, the fourth floor if onto grass, 6th floor if onto bushes below. No higher or you could die.

 Really im all for sitting on your ass to starve the machine, especially for anyone with onerous obligations that make it not worth it to work. Opting out is about the only form of opposition that means anything when you become part of a bigger statistic, but starving the machine can not mean starving yourself too, so self sufficiency and/or a sideline are necessary.
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Re: Food Banks Brace for Long Lines as Thousands Lose SNAP Benefits
« Reply #8 on: April 25, 2016, 05:40:09 AM »
That's not the END of it!  I am going to flesh this out for next week's Sunday Brunch blog.

I have a SLAM DUNK method to obliterate this LEGALLY, and it is BULLETPROOF!  :icon_sunny:
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Does it involve creating a "jobs training program" where you ostensibly you are teaching for a number of diverse jobs, but in reality you are preparing them for an off-grid homestead lifestyle?

And whether or not, add this to the answer of how to get people to transition to a sustainable lifestyle without official approval from TPTB.
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Re: Food Banks Brace for Long Lines as Thousands Lose SNAP Benefits
« Reply #9 on: April 25, 2016, 07:06:52 AM »
Can't we just have a small riot and a little bit of looting?   :-\

You're all working out scams to keep getting the assistance, but the point surely is that the assistance is nearly all gone.  Making cuts to food stamp programs is really scraping the barrel.  They (the States, isn't it?) are so close to bankruptcy that they have to cut food stamps!  And you think you are going to be fed in the FEMA camps?
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« Reply #10 on: April 25, 2016, 07:34:00 AM »
Can't we just have a small riot and a little bit of looting?   :-\

You're all working out scams to keep getting the assistance, but the point surely is that the assistance is nearly all gone.  Making cuts to food stamp programs is really scraping the barrel.  They (the States, isn't it?) are so close to bankruptcy that they have to cut food stamps!  And you think you are going to be fed in the FEMA camps?

Nah... when they start cutting CORPORATE subsidies to major campaign contributors, that's when you know they are scraping the bottom of the barrel.  Cutting food stamps is just a sign that the process of police militarization is pretty much complete, they feel prepared for the rioting and looting.
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« Reply #11 on: April 25, 2016, 09:29:33 AM »
Im not working out scams to keep getting the assistance palloy. Jumping  from a building to bypass the able bodied requirement was a joke. Better work for a farmer  for free for food, because its secure source compared to food stamps,  or work free to acquire skills to specialise and not be surplus unskilled labour. Putting full faith in food stamps is a statist solution. Libertarian would utilise it but always have a way to rely ultimately on himself.
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« Reply #12 on: April 25, 2016, 11:17:33 AM »
That's not the END of it!  I am going to flesh this out for next week's Sunday Brunch blog.

I have a SLAM DUNK method to obliterate this LEGALLY, and it is BULLETPROOF!  :icon_sunny:
Ooo! Ooo! Ooo! Mistah Kaata!  Mistah Kaata!

Does it involve creating a "jobs training program" where you ostensibly you are teaching for a number of diverse jobs, but in reality you are preparing them for an off-grid homestead lifestyle?

And whether or not, add this to the answer of how to get people to transition to a sustainable lifestyle without official approval from TPTB.

No, that's not it Horshack, but it's a Good Idea!  I will add it to the article and credit you on that one.  :icon_sunny:

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Re: Food Banks Brace for Long Lines as Thousands Lose SNAP Benefits
« Reply #13 on: April 25, 2016, 11:59:14 AM »
Can't we just have a small riot and a little bit of looting?   :-\

You're all working out scams to keep getting the assistance, but the point surely is that the assistance is nearly all gone.  Making cuts to food stamp programs is really scraping the barrel.  They (the States, isn't it?) are so close to bankruptcy that they have to cut food stamps!  And you think you are going to be fed in the FEMA camps?

Nah... when they start cutting CORPORATE subsidies to major campaign contributors, that's when you know they are scraping the bottom of the barrel.  Cutting food stamps is just a sign that the process of police militarization is pretty much complete, they feel prepared for the rioting and looting.

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« Reply #14 on: April 25, 2016, 07:25:23 PM »
You know, it really pays to check out facts yourself....

From a Powerpoint at cisphila.org:
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Basics of the 3-Month Time Limit: WHAT & WHY
What is the time limit?
A federal rule that puts a time limit on SNAP for “Able-Bodied Adults without Dependents” also called “ABAWDs”



Basics of the 3-Month Time Limit: WHAT (cont’d)
ABAWDs will be limited to 3 months* of SNAP benefits in a       3 year (36 month) period unless they:
Work or participate in a work program at least           20 hours per week (averaged monthly)
Are in school or training
Qualify for an “exemption”
Volunteer or perform community service for              26 hours per month

*Partial months of benefits do not count toward the 3 month limit
Basics of the 3-Month Time Limit: WHO
Who is an ABAWD? 
Individuals receiving SNAP who:

Are age 18 through 49
Do not have a child under age 18 as part of their SNAP household
Do not meet an exemption
Do not live in a geographically waived area; and
Basics of the 3-Month Time Limit: WHEN
When does the rule go into affect?
The rule will apply (again) in 2016.

PA will use an option within the law to exempt all ABAWDs for Jan. and Feb. (so they will not count toward 3-month time limit)

ABAWDs who are not exempt will be required to meet work, training, or volunteer/community service hours starting March 1

The first month an ABAWD could lose SNAP due to the time limit will be June 2016.

It’s important to help all ABAWDs meet exemptions, find work, education & training, or volunteer slots ASAP!

Basics of the 3-Month Time Limit: WHERE
The time limit will apply in some areas and not others, because areas with high rates of unemployment can qualify for a “geographic waiver” that exempts them from the rule
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