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Re: Anybody Want to Speculate on the Brexit Vote?
« Reply #30 on: June 24, 2016, 12:18:40 PM »
Can they stop the market rout?  How LOW do we GO?

Good question. Glad I decided to buy some s&p index puts yesterday, question is how long to hold onto them...

Either way I'm really glad a country FINALLY decided to protect their sovereignty and their people.

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Glad I decided to buy some s&p index puts yesterday, question is how long to hold onto them...

Only one who is devoid of conscience, and governed by materialistic desires, would brag about taking advantage of a stock market rout on a broad index. Once more you display your Calvinist hypocrisy.  :emthdown:

The next time you want to brag about your financial acumen, I suggest you brag about placing a put on selective, socially irresponsible corporations, instead of a broad index. A put on a broad index might make people believe that your moral compass plays no part in your financial decisions.   


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Either way I'm really glad a country FINALLY decided to protect their sovereignty and their people.

Once more you display your abysmal ignorance of powers structures in human society OR you are deliberately ignoring the corporate power structure MO that has pushed "free trade" legalese like TPP to bypass national sovereignty as if it was not there.  :evil4:
 
If you had any idea of what this was all about, you would understand that this is a turf battle between elites. But I understand you are quite willing to side with the British elites against the rest of the European elites. If you had any intellectual honesty whatsoever, you would admit that you are just peddling more of your bias as "objective" discourse.

Listen closely, counselor. National sovereignty has been DEAD for several decades. Just like in the USA, the corporate elites now run things through  the "sanctity" of contracts that ethics challenged asshole lawyers, in a totally corrupted legal system, orchestrate.

This BREXIT vote is smoke and mirrors. The worldwide contract fun and games is the only game in town. Anyone with half a brain, who isn't a lawyer, can understand that.  ;)

Corporate elites now are running human society into the ground. BREXIT does not alter the fascist stranglehold they have on commerce.

You are WRONG, as well as woefully ignorant,  to believe national sovereignty has anything to do with this. 

But go ahead an play at the casino. It displays your "Christian ethics" for all to see.

Feel free to call me, as is your ridicule and derision based wont, a "wide eyed conspiracy theorist". Feel free to claim I am "insulting you" along the way. And don't forget to allege that everything I said IS "RIDICULOUS" AND SHOULD NOT BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY BECAUSE IT IS "CAUSE FOR DESPAIR".

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Re: Anybody Want to Speculate on the Brexit Vote?
« Reply #31 on: June 24, 2016, 12:28:59 PM »
Can they stop the market rout?  How LOW do we GO?

Good question. Glad I decided to buy some s&p index puts yesterday, question is how long to hold onto them...

Either way I'm really glad a country FINALLY decided to protect their sovereignty and their people.

 :emthdown:

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Glad I decided to buy some s&p index puts yesterday, question is how long to hold onto them...

Only one who is devoid of conscience, and governed by materialistic desires, would brag about taking advantage of a stock market rout on a broad index. Once more you display your Calvinist hypocrisy. 

The next time you want to brag about your financial acumen, I suggest you brag about placing a put on selective, socially irresponsible corporations, instead of a broad index. A put on a broad index might make people believe that your moral compass plays no part in your financial decisions.

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Re: Anybody Want to Speculate on the Brexit Vote?
« Reply #32 on: June 24, 2016, 12:30:28 PM »
Can they stop the market rout?  How LOW do we GO?

Good question. Glad I decided to buy some s&p index puts yesterday, question is how long to hold onto them...

Either way I'm really glad a country FINALLY decided to protect their sovereignty and their people.

 :emthdown:

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Glad I decided to buy some s&p index puts yesterday, question is how long to hold onto them...

Only one who is devoid of conscience, and governed by materialistic desires, would brag about taking advantage of a stock market rout on a broad index. Once more you display your Calvinist hypocrisy. 

The next time you want to brag about your financial acumen, I suggest you brag about placing a put on selective, socially irresponsible corporations, instead of a broad index. A put on a broad index might make people believe that your moral compass plays no part in your financial decisions.

My Investments are in PREPS, my FRIENDS and SUN☼.

Walkin' in the Footsteps of Jesus.  :icon_sunny:



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Re: Anybody Want to Speculate on the Brexit Vote?
« Reply #33 on: June 24, 2016, 02:04:13 PM »
For the past seven years the EU has been held together with bubblegum and bailing wire. Something was going to happen. The first domino has now fallen, and it won't be the last.

Globalism is a failed experiment, I hope. it was never about anything more than enriching the corporate elites at the expense of the rest of us, anyway.

Quote of the century.

I haven't had much time to pay attention to politics (which I generally hate, anyway) lately.  My partner says that this isn't just about which currency one is using, but also about free movement across borders -- with the EU allowing free movement between members of the EU countries.

Anyone want to comment on this for one who is out of the loop -- somewhat concisely and to the point, I hope.

I'd like us all be to free to move about as we wish -- being basically an anarchist in my heart of hearts.
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Re: Anybody Want to Speculate on the Brexit Vote?
« Reply #34 on: June 24, 2016, 02:33:36 PM »
Can they stop the market rout?  How LOW do we GO?

Good question. Glad I decided to buy some s&p index puts yesterday, question is how long to hold onto them...

Either way I'm really glad a country FINALLY decided to protect their sovereignty and their people.

 :emthdown:

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Glad I decided to buy some s&p index puts yesterday, question is how long to hold onto them...

Only one who is devoid of conscience, and governed by materialistic desires, would brag about taking advantage of a stock market rout on a broad index. Once more you display your Calvinist hypocrisy. 

The next time you want to brag about your financial acumen, I suggest you brag about placing a put on selective, socially irresponsible corporations, instead of a broad index. A put on a broad index might make people believe that your moral compass plays no part in your financial decisions.

My Investments are in PREPS, my FRIENDS and SUN☼.

Walkin' in the Footsteps of Jesus.  :icon_sunny:



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Potatoes. Be long potatoes.  :icon_mrgreen: :icon_mrgreen:
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Re: Anybody Want to Speculate on the Brexit Vote?
« Reply #35 on: June 24, 2016, 02:42:54 PM »
Anyone want to comment on this for one who is out of the loop -- somewhat concisely and to the point, I hope. I'd like us all be to free to move about as we wish -- being basically an anarchist in my heart of hearts.



It basically does mean that British people will no longer have an EU passport, and that they will have to clear customs and immigration when they enter Europe, just like we do. And they will now have to get work permits to work in EU countries, which might be hard to come by.

It does not mean they won't be able to freely travel in Europe.

Britain has already turned down the spigot on new refugees, and I expect the numbers of new immigrants will continue to decline, now that the EU has less influence.

Remember that, as of right now, the UK is still in the EU and will be for a couple of years minimum. Also, technically, the referendum is not legally binding and the British Parliament could decide not to leave. Unlikely, however.
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Re: Anybody Want to Speculate on the Brexit Vote?
« Reply #36 on: June 24, 2016, 02:48:39 PM »
Potatoes. Be long potatoes.  :icon_mrgreen: :icon_mrgreen:

Potatoes.

Right. The only vegetable that ever got used in the same sentence with "famine". LOL.

I'd say go long pigs, but the term 'long pork" has some negative connotations too, especially in a collapse scenario.  ;D
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Re: Anybody Want to Speculate on the Brexit Vote?
« Reply #37 on: June 24, 2016, 02:54:28 PM »
Glad I decided to buy some s&p index puts yesterday, question is how long to hold onto them...

Good play. Listen to GO, he'll steer you right on when to sell. I don't consider it amoral to make a bet on the market, but just remember it's a rigged casino. Take your profits and buy physical gold, or a house to live in. Something tangible.
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Re: Anybody Want to Speculate on the Brexit Vote?
« Reply #38 on: June 24, 2016, 02:55:50 PM »
I haven't had much time to pay attention to politics (which I generally hate, anyway) lately.  My partner says that this isn't just about which currency one is using, but also about free movement across borders -- with the EU allowing free movement between members of the EU countries.

Anyone want to comment on this for one who is out of the loop -- somewhat concisely and to the point, I hope.

I'd like us all be to free to move about as we wish -- being basically an anarchist in my heart of hearts.

Part of the attraction in staying with the EU is that all participating members can gain access to the shared market. This internal market is the area inside the 28 EU members states and any other states which are part of the European Economic Area (EEA) such as Norway. This area allows the free movement of goods, services, capital and most controversially people. The issue with accessing this shared market is the country in question must pay a contribution towards the EU AND allow free movement of people into their state from other EU/EEA states. EU members must also adopt any new rules implemented by the EU. EU members can have an influence on what laws are set but EEA members have no say on the matter and can only accept the terms to continue their access of the shared market.

Now with the UK they want to retain access to those markets whilst being outside the EU. The problem is to be an EEA member and gain access to the market you need to allow free immigration into the UK which is the complete contradiction of their anti-immigration manifesto. Whether the Brexit team can somehow negotiate a deal where some limits on movement are in place remains to be seen but it is unlikely due to the free movement being a core part of the deal plus the EU is likely to want to take a hard stance against the UK. If the Brexit team cannot make a deal however then the UK will not be competitive against European rivals and will lose businesses to other countries.

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Re: Anybody Want to Speculate on the Brexit Vote?
« Reply #39 on: June 24, 2016, 03:12:26 PM »
Potatoes. Be long potatoes.  :icon_mrgreen: :icon_mrgreen:

Potatoes.

Right. The only vegetable that ever got used in the same sentence with "famine". LOL.

I'd say go long pigs, but the term 'long pork" has some negative connotations too, especially in a collapse scenario.  ;D

Potatoes are tougher to steal.
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Re: Anybody Want to Speculate on the Brexit Vote?
« Reply #40 on: June 24, 2016, 03:38:23 PM »
For the past seven years the EU has been held together with bubblegum and bailing wire. Something was going to happen. The first domino has now fallen, and it won't be the last.

Globalism is a failed experiment, I hope. it was never about anything more than enriching the corporate elites at the expense of the rest of us, anyway.

Quote of the century.

I haven't had much time to pay attention to politics (which I generally hate, anyway) lately.  My partner says that this isn't just about which currency one is using, but also about free movement across borders -- with the EU allowing free movement between members of the EU countries.

Anyone want to comment on this for one who is out of the loop -- somewhat concisely and to the point, I hope.

I'd like us all be to free to move about as we wish -- being basically an anarchist in my heart of hearts.
. I traveled extensively in Europe prior to the EU chokehold by the globalists and nasty NGOs trying to infiltrate traditional societies with their poisons. I and my partner moved frequently and painlessly between Germany, Austria, Italy,Hungary, Romania and Bulgaria and Greece. We obtained cultural visas and stayed as long as we liked. We deeply relished the traditions and cultures of each country, moved freely and made many friends there as we studied and appreciated Europe's coat of many textures. Legally crossing borders
with valid passports was no problem. We were as free as the birds and deeply entranced. There was no fear of being gang raped by barbarians or blown up by crazies in public places. Thank the dear Lord that Europeans are coming to their senses to throw off the yoke of these totalitarian bureaucrats who are appeasing the slime bags of capitalism like Soros who hypocritically pretends to help a population in order to milk it dry. If only the US population could also wake up and return to traditional values. Yes, the protective tribalism of yore in which HSS thrived and survived.  Karpatok

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Re: Anybody Want to Speculate on the Brexit Vote?
« Reply #41 on: June 24, 2016, 03:59:41 PM »
I haven't had much time to pay attention to politics (which I generally hate, anyway) lately.  My partner says that this isn't just about which currency one is using, but also about free movement across borders -- with the EU allowing free movement between members of the EU countries.

Anyone want to comment on this for one who is out of the loop -- somewhat concisely and to the point, I hope.

I'd like us all be to free to move about as we wish -- being basically an anarchist in my heart of hearts.

Part of the attraction in staying with the EU is that all participating members can gain access to the shared market. This internal market is the area inside the 28 EU members states and any other states which are part of the European Economic Area (EEA) such as Norway. This area allows the free movement of goods, services, capital and most controversially people. The issue with accessing this shared market is the country in question must pay a contribution towards the EU AND allow free movement of people into their state from other EU/EEA states. EU members must also adopt any new rules implemented by the EU. EU members can have an influence on what laws are set but EEA members have no say on the matter and can only accept the terms to continue their access of the shared market.

Now with the UK they want to retain access to those markets whilst being outside the EU. The problem is to be an EEA member and gain access to the market you need to allow free immigration into the UK which is the complete contradiction of their anti-immigration manifesto. Whether the Brexit team can somehow negotiate a deal where some limits on movement are in place remains to be seen but it is unlikely due to the free movement being a core part of the deal plus the EU is likely to want to take a hard stance against the UK. If the Brexit team cannot make a deal however then the UK will not be competitive against European rivals and will lose businesses to other countries.

If you have to be part of the EU to trade with the EU, then why do EU states trade with the Chinese?  The Chinese are not part of the EU.  Why do they buy Oil from the Saudis? They are not part of the EU.

Just precisely is it that other EU states have to trade with the Brits that it is so important they have a preferential trade deal with these other countries?  They are in desperate need of Greek Olives?  Feta Cheese?  They need Kraut Bratwurst?  Kraut Beer?  They can't brew their own?

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Re: Anybody Want to Speculate on the Brexit Vote?
« Reply #42 on: June 24, 2016, 04:03:01 PM »
Can they stop the market rout?  How LOW do we GO?

Good question. Glad I decided to buy some s&p index puts yesterday, question is how long to hold onto them...

Either way I'm really glad a country FINALLY decided to protect their sovereignty and their people.

How laughable - the old announce a fantastic great profitable "trade" after the fact trick.  How many times have I seen this bullshit?  Well, QUITE OFTEN.  And how many time the opposite?  Very few.  Ha Ha Ha!
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Re: Anybody Want to Speculate on the Brexit Vote?
« Reply #43 on: June 24, 2016, 04:07:49 PM »
Yes, the protective tribalism of yore in which HSS thrived and survived.  Karpatok

HSS? What's that?

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Re: Anybody Want to Speculate on the Brexit Vote?
« Reply #44 on: June 24, 2016, 04:15:07 PM »
Can they stop the market rout?  How LOW do we GO?

Good question. Glad I decided to buy some s&p index puts yesterday, question is how long to hold onto them...

Either way I'm really glad a country FINALLY decided to protect their sovereignty and their people.

How laughable - the old announce a fantastic great profitable "trade" after the fact trick.  How many times have I seen this bullshit?  Well, QUITE OFTEN.  And how many time the opposite?  Very few.  Ha Ha Ha!


Well said.  :emthup:  :icon_sunny:

I haven't had much time to pay attention to politics (which I generally hate, anyway) lately.  My partner says that this isn't just about which currency one is using, but also about free movement across borders -- with the EU allowing free movement between members of the EU countries.

Anyone want to comment on this for one who is out of the loop -- somewhat concisely and to the point, I hope.

I'd like us all be to free to move about as we wish -- being basically an anarchist in my heart of hearts.

Part of the attraction in staying with the EU is that all participating members can gain access to the shared market. This internal market is the area inside the 28 EU members states and any other states which are part of the European Economic Area (EEA) such as Norway. This area allows the free movement of goods, services, capital and most controversially people. The issue with accessing this shared market is the country in question must pay a contribution towards the EU AND allow free movement of people into their state from other EU/EEA states. EU members must also adopt any new rules implemented by the EU. EU members can have an influence on what laws are set but EEA members have no say on the matter and can only accept the terms to continue their access of the shared market.

Now with the UK they want to retain access to those markets whilst being outside the EU. The problem is to be an EEA member and gain access to the market you need to allow free immigration into the UK which is the complete contradiction of their anti-immigration manifesto. Whether the Brexit team can somehow negotiate a deal where some limits on movement are in place remains to be seen but it is unlikely due to the free movement being a core part of the deal plus the EU is likely to want to take a hard stance against the UK. If the Brexit team cannot make a deal however then the UK will not be competitive against European rivals and will lose businesses to other countries.

If you have to be part of the EU to trade with the EU, then why do EU states trade with the Chinese?  The Chinese are not part of the EU.  Why do they buy Oil from the Saudis? They are not part of the EU.

Just precisely is it that other EU states have to trade with the Brits that it is so important they have a preferential trade deal with these other countries?  They are in desperate need of Greek Olives?  Feta Cheese?  They need Kraut Bratwurst?  Kraut Beer?  They can't brew their own?

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Exactly. I like to surf fruit and food commerce tracking sites. Th EU buys fruit and food from ALL OVER THE PLANET.

Here's a cool web site where you can track the latest on bananas, papayas, tomatoes, mangoes, etc. They might grow some bananas in the warmer parts of Europe but they import MOST of them, and a lot of the other fruit they eat, from OUTSIDE the EU. :icon_mrgreen:

http://www.freshplaza.com/sector/6/bananas


Marketing fruit and veggies around the world is a HUGE 'bidness' (with unfortunately a certain amount of slave labor in the growing part  :emthdown:).
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