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A Real History About Native Americans and Settlers
« on: December 11, 2019, 10:49:20 AM »
I have to read this book.....one thing I like about Joe Rogan is that he reads. What the author here (S.C. Gwynne) talks about is exactly what I've said on this forum  previously about the dynamics about the American West ( including  Texas) that tend be misunderstood by ignorant modern people who get their information from questionable sources.

I got much of this same story from a book that is possibly my favorite Texas book. Goodbye To A River.....by the late John Graves, written over 50 years ago.

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Re: A Real History About Native Americans and Settlers
« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2019, 11:06:28 AM »
Gwynne drops the ball when Rogan asks him why  there is no public land in modern Texas.  The answer to that question is simple and  I have to think his focus is pretty narrow.

The public land was given away to the railroad builders for building track. One section of land for one mile of track. It went on until the last section was gone.
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Re: A Real History About Native Americans and Settlers
« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2019, 01:10:57 PM »
Gwynne drops the ball when Rogan asks him why  there is no public land in modern Texas.  The answer to that question is simple and  I have to think his focus is pretty narrow.

The public land was given away to the railroad builders for building track. One section of land for one mile of track. It went on until the last section was gone.

Privatize the Profits, Socialize the Losses.  The Mantra of Capitalism.

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Re: A Real History About Native Americans and Settlers
« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2019, 03:44:21 PM »
Gwynne drops the ball when Rogan asks him why  there is no public land in modern Texas.  The answer to that question is simple and  I have to think his focus is pretty narrow.

The public land was given away to the railroad builders for building track. One section of land for one mile of track. It went on until the last section was gone.

Privatize the Profits, Socialize the Losses.  The Mantra of Capitalism.

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Since all Texas land was public from the beginning until let's say the 16th century, isn't it more appropriate to ask why is there any private land in Texas? RE gives the answer.
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Re: A Real History About Native Americans and Settlers
« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2019, 06:57:12 PM »
Gwynne drops the ball when Rogan asks him why  there is no public land in modern Texas.  The answer to that question is simple and  I have to think his focus is pretty narrow.

The public land was given away to the railroad builders for building track. One section of land for one mile of track. It went on until the last section was gone.

Privatize the Profits, Socialize the Losses.  The Mantra of Capitalism.

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Since all Texas land was public from the beginning until let's say the 16th century, isn't it more appropriate to ask why is there any private land in Texas? RE gives the answer.

RE gives AN answer. One you obviously agree with. Great. Who the fuck cares?  I do not.

Why is there any private land anywhere? Because we have property laws that are backed up with courts and men with deadly weapons. You can disagree with them but you aren't likely to change any of that. You can wait for all that stuff to collapse under its own weight, and maybe it will. Probably not in my lifetime.

I bought my land. I have mortgages and make I payments with money I earn by going to work. RE doesn't like that either. He thinks I get paid too much. Fuck RE.

I know RE. I consider him a friend. I don't happen to share his silly politics though, or his romantic notions. I'm nobody's sycophant.

But I have land. Maybe that's good and maybe that''s bad...but it IS. I'm not going to argue on the internet with some guy I don't even know over the kind of silly shit that doesn't matter to me.

 I wish Texas had more public land.....but some idiot politicians gave it away long before I was born. That was MY point.

What's your beef about it?  Nobody gave you any land? Somebody took the land that is your birthright? The world isn't fair? One percenters got all the land?

We should understand that humans cannot really possess the earth?

Maybe we should be more like the spiritually enlightened native cultures on which we acted out a horrible genocide?  Maybe we should feel guilt for that genocide, even though it happened long before any of us were born?

Maybe the government should own all the land and we should each contribute according to our abilities and receive according to our needs?

Jesus Fuckin' Christ.

After western civilization collapses maybe all the land will once again be available to socialist-leaning suburbanites from Long Island who want to sue their psychiatrists.

But I wouldn't count on that.

Comanches liked to kill guys like you slowly and watch them scream. Scalp them alive .Flay their skin  Burn them with hot irons. It's documented. No dispute. They were fierce savage hunter-gatherers who took no adult male prisoners and few male prisoners at all. They killed the men and and the babies, and stole the women and girls and if they were tough enough to adjust to their ways, they could become assimilated.

Yes, in some ways it was a more egalitarian society than ours. But it was a tribal culture. Dunbars Law applies.




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Re: A Real History About Native Americans and Settlers
« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2019, 07:07:18 PM »
I know RE. I consider him a friend. I don't happen to share his silly politics though, or his romantic notions. Unlike you, I'm nobody's sycophant.

Insulting another Diner by calling him a syncophant is a Violation of the CoC.

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Maybe the government should own all the land and we should each contribute according to our abilities and receive according to our needs?

Forget total Civilization Collapse, you only need a Nation-State level Collapse for this.  See the Bolshevik Revolution and the end of the Romanoff Dynasty for an example.  "Land Ownership" is enforced by Da Goobermint.  When it dies, your Title to the property is as worthless as the currency you use for money.


I also consider you a friend.  However, it is not me with the "silly ideas", it is you.  And yes, you make far too much money. lol.

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Re: A Real History About Native Americans and Settlers
« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2019, 12:32:41 AM »
I know RE. I consider him a friend. I don't happen to share his silly politics though, or his romantic notions. Unlike you, I'm nobody's sycophant.

Insulting another Diner by calling him a sycophant is a Violation of the CoC.

WTF? WT Bleeding F? This is what you got? Drag out the CoC for this exchange? You dragged yourself away from virtual online wargaming with Russians for this?
Reeks of desperation. Or more, being out of gas.


Maybe the government should own all the land and we should each contribute according to our abilities and receive according to our needs?

Forget total Civilization Collapse, you only need a Nation-State level Collapse for this.  See the Bolshevik Revolution and the end of the Romanoff Dynasty for an example.  "Land Ownership" is enforced by Da Goobermint.  When it dies, your Title to the property is as worthless as the currency you use for money.


I also consider you a friend.  However, it is not me with the "silly ideas", it is you.  And yes, you make far too much money. lol.

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The notion of private property is as old as Rome and as individual as forms of government. But once again, you bury the lead:

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...we have property laws that are backed up with courts and men with deadly weapons. You can disagree with them but you aren't likely to change any of that. You can wait for all that stuff to collapse under its own weight, and maybe it will.
We should understand that humans cannot really possess the earth.

But the concept gets the lawyers and tax collectors paid.
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« Reply #7 on: December 12, 2019, 03:12:39 AM »
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...we have property laws that are backed up with courts and men with deadly weapons. You can disagree with them but you aren't likely to change any of that. You can wait for all that stuff to collapse under its own weight, and maybe it will.
We should understand that humans cannot really possess the earth.

But the concept gets the lawyers and tax collectors paid.

Not to mention the Rentiers.

Far as the CoC goes, I don't like be insulted myself, so I follow the Golden Rule on this. "Do unto others as you would have done unto you".  It keeps order and keeps down the Napalm.  Just ask John Bertkow.

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Re: A Real History About Native Americans and Settlers
« Reply #8 on: December 12, 2019, 07:25:40 AM »
Gwynne drops the ball when Rogan asks him why  there is no public land in modern Texas.  The answer to that question is simple and  I have to think his focus is pretty narrow.

The public land was given away to the railroad builders for building track. One section of land for one mile of track. It went on until the last section was gone.

Privatize the Profits, Socialize the Losses.  The Mantra of Capitalism.

RE
Since all Texas land was public from the beginning until let's say the 16th century, isn't it more appropriate to ask why is there any private land in Texas? RE gives the answer.

RE gives AN answer. One you obviously agree with. Great. Who the fuck cares?  I do not.

Why is there any private land anywhere? Because we have property laws that are backed up with courts and men with deadly weapons. You can disagree with them but you aren't likely to change any of that. You can wait for all that stuff to collapse under its own weight, and maybe it will. Probably not in my lifetime.

I bought my land. I have mortgages and make I payments with money I earn by going to work. RE doesn't like that either. He thinks I get paid too much. Fuck RE.

I know RE. I consider him a friend. I don't happen to share his silly politics though, or his romantic notions. I'm nobody's sycophant.

But I have land. Maybe that's good and maybe that''s bad...but it IS. I'm not going to argue on the internet with some guy I don't even know over the kind of silly shit that doesn't matter to me.

 I wish Texas had more public land.....but some idiot politicians gave it away long before I was born. That was MY point.

What's your beef about it?  Nobody gave you any land? Somebody took the land that is your birthright? The world isn't fair? One percenters got all the land?

We should understand that humans cannot really possess the earth?

Maybe we should be more like the spiritually enlightened native cultures on which we acted out a horrible genocide?  Maybe we should feel guilt for that genocide, even though it happened long before any of us were born?

Maybe the government should own all the land and we should each contribute according to our abilities and receive according to our needs?

Jesus Fuckin' Christ.

After western civilization collapses maybe all the land will once again be available to socialist-leaning suburbanites from Long Island who want to sue their psychiatrists.

But I wouldn't count on that.

Comanches liked to kill guys like you slowly and watch them scream. Scalp them alive .Flay their skin  Burn them with hot irons. It's documented. No dispute. They were fierce savage hunter-gatherers who took no adult male prisoners and few male prisoners at all. They killed the men and and the babies, and stole the women and girls and if they were tough enough to adjust to their ways, they could become assimilated.

Yes, in some ways it was a more egalitarian society than ours. But it was a tribal culture. Dunbars Law applies.
FYI I already own real estate, and if I thought like you maybe I'd own you too right now. Also regarding psychiatrists, paraphrasing a recent quote in the Daily Mail, if you can trace your ancestry back 500 years or more your gonna need one.
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« Reply #9 on: December 12, 2019, 07:34:16 AM »
Reading this thread, suddenly this song popped into my reality.

I chose the deceptive one ( irony ) on purpose.  ( Lip sunk )

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Re: A Real History About Native Americans and Settlers
« Reply #10 on: December 12, 2019, 02:55:04 PM »
Reading this thread, suddenly this song popped into my reality.

I chose the deceptive one ( irony ) on purpose.  ( Lip sunk )

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Great tune from Stephen Stills!  :icon_sunny:

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