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« Reply #16 on: November 30, 2016, 04:23:43 AM »
In the last month, Obama, Merkel, CNN, the New York Times, Washington Post and many other mainstream media have warned about the dangers of fake news.

There certainly is a lot of fake news.  And some of it is by anti-establishment types trying to discredit American institutions with false reports.

But as we document below – the government and mainstream media are by far the biggest purveyors of fake news.

The Government’s Been Deploying Propaganda On U.S. Soil for Many Years

The United States Senate Select Committee to Study Governmental Operations with Respect to Intelligence Activities found in 1975 that the CIA submitted stories to the American press:

    After 1953, the network was overseen by Allen W. Dulles, director of the CIA. By this time, Operation Mockingbird had a major influence over 25 newspapers and wire agencies. The usual methodology was placing reports developed from intelligence provided by the CIA to witting or unwitting reporters. Those reports would then be repeated or cited by the preceding reporters which in turn would then be cited throughout the media wire services.

    The Office of Policy Coordination (OPC) was funded by siphoning off funds intended for the Marshall Plan [i.e. the rebuilding of Europe by the U.S. after WWII]. Some of this money was used to bribe journalists and publishers.

In 2008, the New York Times wrote:

    During the early years of the cold war, [prominent writers and artists, from Arthur Schlesinger Jr. to Jackson Pollock] were supported, sometimes lavishly, always secretly, by the C.I.A. as part of its propaganda war against the Soviet Union. It was perhaps the most successful use of “soft power” in American history.

A CIA operative told Washington Post owner Philip Graham… in a conversation about the willingness of journalists to peddle CIA propaganda and cover stories:

    “You could get a journalist cheaper than a good call girl, for a couple hundred dollars a month.”

Famed Watergate reporter Carl Bernstein wrote in 1977:

    “More than 400 American journalists… in the past twenty‑five years have secretly carried out assignments for the Central Intelligence Agency, according to documents on file at CIA headquarters.”

    ***

    In many instances, CIA documents show, journalists were engaged to perform tasks for the CIA with the consent of the managements of America’s leading news organizations.

    ***

    Among the executives who lent their cooperation to the Agency were [the heads of CBS, Time, the New York Times, the Louisville Courier‑Journal, and Copley News Service. Other organizations which cooperated with the CIA include [ABC, NBC, AP, UPI, Reuters], Hearst Newspapers, Scripps‑Howard, Newsweek magazine, the Mutual Broadcasting System, the Miami Herald and the old Saturday Evening Post and New York Herald‑Tribune.

    ***

    There is ample evidence that America’s leading publishers and news executives allowed themselves and their organizations to become handmaidens to the intelligence services. “Let’s not pick on some poor reporters, for God’s sake,” William Colby exclaimed at one point to the Church committee’s investigators. “Let’s go to the managements.

    ***

    The CIA even ran a formal training program in the 1950s to teach its agents to be journalists. Intelligence officers were “taught to make noises like reporters,” explained a high CIA official, and were then placed in major news organizations with help from management.

    ***

    Once a year during the 1950s and early 1960s, CBS correspondents joined the CIA hierarchy for private dinners and briefings.

    ***

    Allen Dulles often interceded with his good friend, the late Henry Luce, founder of Timeand Life magazines, who readily allowed certain members of his staff to work for the Agency and agreed to provide jobs and credentials for other CIA operatives who lacked journalistic experience.

    ***

    In the 1950s and early 1960s, Time magazine’s foreign correspondents attended CIA “briefing” dinners similar to those the CIA held for CBS.

    ***

    When Newsweek was purchased by the Washington Post Company, publisher Philip L. Graham was informed by Agency officials that the CIA occasionally used the magazine for cover purposes, according to CIA sources. “It was widely known that Phil Graham was somebody you could get help from,” said a former deputy director of the Agency. “Frank Wisner dealt with him.” Wisner, deputy director of the CIA from 1950 until shortly before his suicide in 1965, was the Agency’s premier orchestrator of “black” operations, including many in which journalists were involved. Wisner liked to boast of his “mighty Wurlitzer,” a wondrous propaganda instrument he built, and played, with help from the press.)

    ***

    In November 1973, after [the CIA claimed to have ended the program], Colby told reporters and editors from the New York Times and the Washington Star that the Agency had “some three dozen” American newsmen “on the CIA payroll,” including five who worked for “general‑circulation news organizations.” Yet even while the Senate Intelligence Committee was holding its hearings in 1976, according to high‑level CIA sources, the CIA continued to maintain ties with seventy‑five to ninety journalists of every description—executives, reporters, stringers, photographers, columnists, bureau clerks and members of broadcast technical crews. More than half of these had been moved off CIA contracts and payrolls but they were still bound by other secret agreements with the Agency. According to an unpublished report by the House Select Committee on Intelligence, chaired by Representative Otis Pike, at least fifteen news organizations were still providing cover for CIA operatives as of 1976.

    ***

    Those officials most knowledgeable about the subject say that a figure of 400 American journalists is on the low side ….

    “There were a lot of representations that if this stuff got out some of the biggest names in journalism would get smeared” ….

An expert on propaganda testified under oath during trial that the CIA now employs THOUSANDS of reporters and OWNS its own media organizations. Whether or not his estimate is accurate, it is clear that many prominent reporters still report to the CIA.

A 4-part BBC documentary called the “Century of the Self” shows that an American – Freud’s nephew, Edward Bernays – created the modern field of manipulation of public perceptions, and the U.S. government has extensively used his techniques.

John Pilger is a highly-regarded journalist (the BBC’s world affairs editor John Simpson remarked, “A country that does not have a John Pilger in its journalism is a very feeble place indeed”). Pilger said in 2007:

    We now know that the BBC and other British media were used by the British secret intelligence service MI-6. In what they called Operation Mass Appeal, MI-6 agents planted stories about Saddam’s weapons of mass destruction, such as weapons hidden in his palaces and in secret underground bunkers. All of these stories were fake.

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    One of my favorite stories about the Cold War concerns a group of Russian journalists who were touring the United States. On the final day of their visit, they were asked by the host for their impressions. “I have to tell you,” said the spokesman, “that we were astonished to find after reading all the newspapers and watching TV day after day that all the opinions on all the vital issues are the same. To get that result in our country we send journalists to the gulag. We even tear out their fingernails. Here you don’t have to do any of that. What is the secret?”

Nick Davies wrote in the Independent in 2008:

    “For the first time in human history, there is a concerted strategy to manipulate global perception. And the mass media are operating as its compliant assistants, failing both to resist it and to expose it.

    The sheer ease with which this machinery has been able to do its work reflects a creeping structural weakness which now afflicts the production of our news. I’ve spent the last two years researching a book about falsehood, distortion and propaganda in the global media.

    The “Zarqawi letter” which made it on to the front page of The New York Times in February 2004 was one of a sequence of highly suspect documents which were said to have been written either by or to Zarqawi and which were fed into news media.

    This material is being generated, in part, by intelligence agencies who continue to work without effective oversight; and also by a new and essentially benign structure of “strategic communications” which was originally designed by doves in the Pentagon and Nato who wanted to use subtle and non-violent tactics to deal with Islamist terrorism but whose efforts are poorly regulated and badly supervised with the result that some of its practitioners are breaking loose and engaging in the black arts of propaganda.”

    ***

    The Pentagon has now designated “information operations” as its fifth “core competency” alongside land, sea, air and special forces. Since October 2006, every brigade, division and corps in the US military has had its own “psyop” element producing output for local media. This military activity is linked to the State Department’s campaign of “public diplomacy” which includes funding radio stations and news websites. In Britain, the Directorate of Targeting and Information Operations in the Ministry of Defence works with specialists from 15 UK psyops, based at the Defence Intelligence and Security School at Chicksands in Bedfordshire.

    In the case of British intelligence, you can see this combination of reckless propaganda and failure of oversight at work in the case of Operation Mass Appeal. This was exposed by the former UN arms inspector Scott Ritter, who describes in his book, Iraq Confidential, how, in London in June 1998, he was introduced to two “black propaganda specialists” from MI6 who wanted him to give them material which they could spread through “editors and writers who work with us from time to time”.

The government is still paying off reporters to spread disinformation. And the corporate media are acting like virtual “escort services” for the moneyed elites, selling access – for a price – to powerful government officials, instead of actually investigating and reporting on what those officials are doing.

One of the ways that the U.S. government spreads propaganda is by making sure that it gets its version out first. For example, the head of the U.S. Information Agency’s television and film division – Alvin A. Snyder – wrote in his book, Warriors of Disinformation: How Lies, Videotape, and the USIA Won the Cold War:

    “All governments, including our own, lie when it suits their purposes. The key is to lie first.”

    ***

    Another casualty, always war’s first, was the truth. The story of [the accidental Russian shoot-down of a Korean airliner] will be remembered pretty much the way we told it in 1983, not the way it really happened.

In 2013, the American Congress repealed the formal ban against the deployment of propaganda against U.S. citizens living on American soil. So there’s even less to constrain propaganda than before.

One of the most common uses of propaganda is to sell unnecessary and counter-productive wars. Given that the American media is always pro-war, mainstream publishers, producers, editors, and reporters are willing participants.

It’s not just lying about Saddam’s non-existent weapons of mass destruction … the corporate media is still selling lies to promote war.

Former Newsweek and Associated Press reporter Robert Parry notes that Ronald Reagan and the CIA unleashed a propaganda campaign in the 1980’s to sell the American public on supporting the Contra rebels, utilizing private players such as Rupert Murdoch to spread disinformation. Parry notes that many of the same people that led Reagan’s domestic propaganda effort in the 1980’s are in power today:

    “While the older generation that pioneered these domestic propaganda techniques has passed from the scene, many of their protégés are still around along with some of the same organizations. The National Endowment for Democracy, which was formed in 1983 at the urging of CIA Director Casey and under the supervision of Walter Raymond’s NSC operation, is still run by the same neocon, Carl Gershman, and has an even bigger budget, now exceeding $100 million a year.

    Gershman and his NED played important behind-the-scenes roles in instigating the Ukraine crisis by financing activists, journalists and other operatives who supported the coup against elected President Yanukovych. The NED-backed Freedom House also beat the propaganda drums. [See Consortiumnews.com’s “A Shadow Foreign Policy.”]

    Two other Reagan-era veterans, Elliott Abrams and Robert Kagan, have both provided important intellectual support for continuing U.S. interventionism around the world. Earlier this year, Kagan’s article for The New Republic, entitled “Superpowers Don’t Get to Retire,” touched such a raw nerve with President Obama that he hosted Kagan at a White House lunch and crafted the presidential commencement speech at West Point to deflect some of Kagan’s criticism of Obama’s hesitancy to use military force.

    ***

    Rupert Murdoch’s media empire is bigger than ever ….

Another key to American propaganda is the constant repetition of propaganda. As Business Insider reported in 2013:

    Lt. Col. Daniel Davis, a highly-respected officer who released a critical report regarding the distortion of truth by senior military officials in Iraq and Afghanistan ….

    From Lt. Col. Davis:

    In context, Colonel Leap is implying we ought to change the law to enable Public Affairs officers to influence American public opinion when they deem it necessary to “protect a key friendly center of gravity, to wit US national will.”

    The Smith-Mundt Modernization Act of 2012 appears to serve this purpose by allowing for the American public to be a target audience of U.S. government-funded information campaigns.

    Davis also quotes Brigadier General Ralph O. Baker — the Pentagon officer responsible for the Department of Defense’s Joint Force Development — who defines Information Operations (IO) as activities undertaken to “shape the essential narrative of a conflict or situation and thus affect the attitudes and behaviors of the targeted audience.”

    Brig. Gen. Baker goes on to equate descriptions of combat operations with the standard marketing strategy of repeating something until it is accepted:

    For years, commercial advertisers have based their advertisement strategies on the premise that there is a positive correlation between the number of times a consumer is exposed to product advertisement and that consumer’s inclination to sample the new product. The very same principle applies to how we influence our target audiences when we conduct COIN.

    And those “thousands of hours per week of government-funded radio and TV programs” appear to serve Baker’s strategy, which states: “Repetition is a key tenet of IO execution, and the failure to constantly drive home a consistent message dilutes the impact on the target audiences.”

Government Massively Manipulates the Web, Social Media and Other Forms of Communication

Of course, the Web and social media have become a huge media platform, and the Pentagon and other government agencies are massively manipulating both.

Documents released by Snowden show that spies manipulate polls, website popularity and pageview counts, censor videos they don’t like and amplify messages they do.

The CIA and other government agencies also put enormous energy into pushing propaganda throughmovies, television and video games.

Cross-Border Propaganda

Propaganda isn’t limited to our own borders …

Sometimes, the government plants disinformation in American media in order to mislead foreigners. For example, an official government summary of America’s overthrow of the democratically-elected president of Iran in the 1950′s states, “In cooperation with the Department of State, CIA had several articles planted in major American newspapers and magazines which, when reproduced in Iran, had the desired psychological effect in Iran and contributed to the war of nerves against Mossadeq” (page x).

The CIA has also bribed leading foreign journalists.

And CNN accepted money from the brutal Bahrani dictatorship to run pro-monarchy propaganda.

Everyone Who Challenges the Status Quo Is Labeled As a Purveyor of “Fake News”… Or Worse

The First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution protects the freedom of the press from censorship by government.

Indeed, the entire reason that it’s unlawful for the government to stop stories from being printed is because that would punish those who criticize those in power.

Why? Because the Founding Father knew that governments (like the British monarchy) will always crack down on those who point out that the emperor has no clothes.

But the freedom of the press is under massive attack in America today …

For example, the powers-that-be argue that only highly-paid corporate media shills who will act as stenographers for the fatcats should have the constitutional protections guaranteeing freedom of the press.

A Harvard law school professor argues that the First Amendment is outdated and should be abandoned.

When financially-savvy bloggers challenged the Federal Reserve’s policy, a Fed official called all bloggers stupid and unqualified to comment.

And the government is treating the real investigative reporters like criminals … or even terrorists:

    Obama has gone after top reporters. His Department of Justice labeled chief Fox News Washington correspondent James Rosen a “criminal co-conspirator” in a leak case, and for many years threatened to prosecute Pulitzer-prize winning New York Times journalist James Risen

    The Obama administration also spied on Risen, Rosen, the Associated Press, CBS reporter Cheryl Atkinson and other media

    In fact, top NSA whistleblowers tell Washington’s Blog that the NSA has spied on reporters for well over a decade … to make sure they don’t reveal illegal government programs

    The Pentagon smeared USA Today reporters because they investigated illegal Pentagon propaganda

    Reporters covering the Occupy protests were targeted for arrest

    The government admits that journalists could be targeted with counter-terrorism laws (and here). For example, after Pulitzer Prize winning journalist Chris Hedges, journalist Naomi Wolf, Pentagon Papers whistleblower Daniel Ellsberg and others sued the government to enjoin the NDAA’s allowance of the indefinite detention of Americans – the judge asked the government attorneys 5 times whether journalists like Hedges could be indefinitely detained simply for interviewing and then writing aboutbad guys. The government refused to promise that journalists like Hedges won’t be thrown in a dungeon for the rest of their lives without any right to talk to a judge

    In an effort to protect Bank of America from the threatened Wikileaks expose of the bank’s wrongdoing, the Department of Justice told Bank of America to a hire a specific hardball-playing law firm to assemble a team to take down WikiLeaks (and see this)

    The NSA and its British counterpart treated Wikileaks like a terrorist organization, going so far as to target its employees politically, and to spy on visitors to its website.
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« Reply #17 on: November 30, 2016, 06:48:48 AM »
Have done:
attached is a .htm file which you can drop directly into a webpage,
and this is the bbcode version:

DoomsteadDiner.net is not in the list!  :(

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It will be, along with others the list missed.  In time I will also eliminate those I don't care for.  Color will also return, but I'm just trying to get it all up first.

http://chasingthesquirrel.com/

Palloy, thanks that will help.


Progress report:

I'm about half done hacking it all together.  I'll add the rest to the first hundred when I have them all.

I created a Diner "Real Newz" page.  It's right beneath the regular newz page, and currently has all the links from K-Dogs page pasted in.

K-Dog, let me know when you get it updated, and get the fucking DINER in there!

It's available from the link below, or from a dropdown menu on the upper nav bar on the Diner Homepage.

http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/blog/news/real-newz/

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Re: Fake Newz
« Reply #18 on: November 30, 2016, 08:23:16 AM »
The List is up!
The list is up at http://chasingthesquirrel.com/.

More work needs to be done to fold my old list into the new one but half of what I had in my old list is in this new blacklist anyway.  For now my list is a flat page of menu tabs and the blacklist is all there.  The only restored deviation so far is the addition of the doomsteaddiner which is at the front of the list.

As I tested links I noted, (as I have been advocating all along) that the suppression of independent news is synonymous with the suppression of collapse information and we are targets.  As Scott said:

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Anyone who has followed these issues closely already knows that these media corporations, owned by a handful of billionaires and closely linked to the "intelligence community," have censored content from their users.   It appears that this pattern of deception is about to get much, much worse.
 

Note the use of "intelligence community".  That is Scott's way of saying men in black.



If the pattern of deception is about to get much, much worse the Diner and I will be fighting back as long as we can!
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« Reply #19 on: November 30, 2016, 09:13:24 AM »
The List is up!
The list is up at http://chasingthesquirrel.com/.

Now reproduced on the Diner REAL NEWZ page.  :icon_sunny:

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« Reply #20 on: December 01, 2016, 12:54:17 AM »
I have most of my old links mixed into the fake newz list now.  Next I'll make it alphabetize automatically and at the top will be a random pick button.  I'll do something like what I did with my newspaper pile.  It will look cool when I get some code massaging in it to color and sort.


Size matters and I have the bigger list!



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Fake News is news that has been made up and is completely untrue.  It is a waste of everybody's time, made worse by the mindless idiots on Facebook and Twitter, who spread it without thinking.



So some professor from a US university posted a list of "Fake News" websites on Facebook, but those on the list were mostly just anti-establishment websites, giving alternative viewpoints, not fake news. Prominent among the mistakes was RT , (formerly Russia Today), which is financed by the Russian State, and a genuine news site.  RT is comparable to the British BBC and Australian ABC news outlets, except that the latter wouldn't say "Boo" to their Prime Ministers, let alone the US President or Rupert Murdoch. 



RT.com



It has to be admitted that RT likes to publish all the things that the US Government would be embarrassed about, but that is what the US media ought to be doing as part of their job too, but don't.  RT also publishes what President Putin and Foreign Minister Lavrov are saying about world affairs, including the context and background of their statements, which is important to know if you want to express an informed opinion on world affairs.



Thus if you want to get a balanced outlook on current events, and only have time for 2 sites, then CNN and RT should be your first two choices.  They won't be the same, obviously, because they represent the two sides of the argument.



So naturally some of the genuine, but anti-establishment news sites also the on the list, objected.  The financial news site ZeroHedge was one of them.  They follow the Austrian School viewpoint on finance, as opposed to the Keynesian viewpoint, and are hence always anti-Federal Reserve, and pro-"a huge economic collapse is coming"and pro-Gold Standard. You don't have to be an Austrian economist to read ZeroHedge (I'm not one) because they do manage to dig up amazing facts and charts from official sources.  ZH heaped scorn and derision on the list, which presumably caused a twitter-storm amongst the shouting classes.



And thus a new meme was born – "Fake News" is no longer fake news, but anything that doesn't follow the US establishment line.



The list was quickly taken up by the Washington Post, that cheer-leader for the wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and Syria.  Remember the WMDs in Iraq, which were ever found ?  Who grilled Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Powell over that big lie, either before or after the invasion? – not WaPo, that's for sure.



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WaPo cites the origin of the list as the website called propornot.com, which has been hosted by GoDaddy since 21 August, and uses free BlogSpot blogging software, and doesn't give the names of any of the people involved.  You will find this on their Home Page:

 




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http://www.propornot.com/p/home.html

We call on Congressional leadership, and the Obama administration, to:



    Immediately begin investigations to determine whether any U.S. government action or inaction has allowed Russia to manipulate the US domestic political process, and interfere in the 2016 election, through online propaganda.



    Immediately begin investigations to determine whether, by action or inaction, the American public has been deprived of related information that they need to vote in an informed manner.



    Work with our European allies to disconnect Russia from the SWIFT financial transaction system, effective immediately and lasting for at least one year, as an appropriate response to Russian manipulation of the election.





 





The first two points are silly, but understandable – "begin investigations" into blah blah blah, OK.  But the third is an immediate punishment for a guilty Russia.  Huh?  Aren't we going to await the outcome of the investigation before proceeding to punishment?  You know, "Innocent until proven guilty" and all that?  That's a bit like President Obama saying Osama bin Laden got "justice", when in fact he was simply assassinated and his body disappeared, which WaPO reported on but didn't question.



SWIFT



If you haven't heard of it before, SWIFT is an internet system which allows banks in different countries to exchange the necessary paperwork before and after the actual transfer of big sums of money, over secure channels.  The threat of being excluded from SWIFT, and hence being internationally isolated, is a very big stick indeed, and would likely lead to the instant start of WW3. 



At least, it would have if the Russians hadn't already written and implemented their own version of SWIFT, known as RosSwift.  It has been up and running for over a year, catering for Russian-to-Russian bank transactions, hence relieving Russia from having to worry about having their national inter-bank transactions being monitored by the US.  All it would take for it to become internationally operational would be the issuing of log-in credentials for RosSwift to foreign banks.  Presumably the Russians have decided, for now, not to split the world into 2 competing financial blocs, but they ready for it.



A moment's consideration should be enough for you to realise that the rest of the BRICS group, China, India, Brazil and South Africa would immediately join RosSwift, as would the CSO countries, Belarus, Armenia, Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, and Kyrgyzstan, and other assorted hangers on like Syria, Iran, Philippines, Cuba, Venezuela – well over half the world's population.  The US couldn't sanction them all, so it would have to live with it.



Then you've got the problem of how the EU countries and Turkey are going to pay for their Russian oil and gas imports, unless they join RosSwift too.  And very soon you will see that cutting Russia off from SWIFT would be a HUGE mistake with endless blowback for the US, and that PropOrNot must be a complete bunch of idiots.



How do PropOrNot identify "Russian propaganda"?



There is a long list of ways that PropOrNot says it can tell if a website is a Russian propaganda site.  This one is quite instructive:

 




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http://www.propornot.com/2016/10/introducing-propornot-be-aware-of-and.html



16. Appear to be effectively influencing public opinion in significant and very problematic ways, by promoting:

    Conspiracy theories about and protests against US military exercises,

    Isolationism/anti-interventionism generally,

    Support for policies like Brexit, and the breakup of the EU and Eurozone,

    Opposition to Ukrainian resistance to Russia and Syrian resistance to Assad,

    Support for the anti-vax, anti-Zika spraying, anti-GMO, 9/11-”truther”, gold-standard, and other related movements





 



   

Yes, if you believe in a peaceful non-interventionist US foreign policy, or supported Brexit like a majority of British voters did, or support a return to the gold standard, or are against Genetically Modified Organisms, you are a Russian propagandist !



The question is …



Getting back to WaPo, why would a news organisation with such an impeccable reputation for good journalism, choose to pick up this story from an anonymous bunch of idiots with a $10 web-site?  Perhaps because they are not a bunch of idiots at all, but a secretive cabal of war-crazed neo-cons, and WaPo have been given the establishment nod of approval to promote them. 



The implications of all this is that if a site regularly publishes articles which question US policy on its interventionist stance towards countries it doesn't like, or on going back to the gold standard, or on Brexit and the break-up of the EU, (all of which are common themes here on Doomstead Diner), then it could be branded a Russian propaganda outlet and some kind of sanctions applied against it.  This could involve lowering its ranking or removing it altogether from Google search results, and Facebook/Twitter news feed rankings, to outright closure.  Facebook has already announced that it is looking at modifying its news filters to try harder to eliminate fake news.



This is a very serious development for all people with alternative views to the US establishment.



The List



And finally, here is the list.  How many of these sites do you want to hear from as part of your political discussion?



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Re: Fake Newz
« Reply #22 on: December 01, 2016, 05:47:22 AM »
Step 2 in the Fake Newz project is for a 93-page bill to suddenly pop into existence and pass the House, with the Senate to vote before the end of the year, which takes it for granted that Russia interfered in the US election, and creating a new interagency panel to suppress "covert influences".

https://www.rt.com/usa/368776-house-bill-russian-influence/
House passes intelligence bill aimed at thwarting Russia's 'influence over people & govts'
1 Dec, 2016

The House of Representatives has passed an intelligence bill aimed at tackling what Washington claims is political interference by Russia on a global level.

The 93-page bill, passed by the House in a 390-30 vote on Wednesday, calls for setting up a new, interagency panel to suppress Russia's alleged attempts to "exert covert influence over peoples and governments," The Washington Post reported.

The draft legislation goes on to state that the panel would be tasked with "countering active measures by Russia to exert covert influence, including exposing falsehoods, agents of influence, corruption, human rights abuses, terrorism and assassinations carried out by the security services or political elites of the Russian Federation or their proxies.”

The bill could be seen in direct opposition to President-elect Donald Trump's plan to strengthen relations with Moscow.

In addition to thwarting Russia's alleged interference, the bill also outlines funding for efforts to foil attacks and deny terrorists safe harbor in Iraq, Syria, North Africa, and other locations. It aims to strengthen counter-intelligence and address threats from adversaries in cyberspace, space and at sea.

It also updates whistleblower procedures in the intelligence community and requires a declassification review of intelligence reports on detainees transferred out of Guantanamo Bay by President Barack Obama and former President George W. Bush.

The Senate is expected to vote on the bill before the end of the year.

Also Wednesday, the six Democrats on the Senate Intelligence Committee sent a letter to President Obama, seeking declassification of information about Russia's alleged meddling in the US presidential election.

“We believe there is additional information concerning the Russian government and the US election that should be declassified and released to the public,” they wrote in the letter. "We are conveying specifics through classified channels."

Moscow has dismissed claims that it meddled in the US presidential election as "nonsense," with President Vladimir Putin calling the accusation an attempt to distract American voters from domestic issues.

Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov recently told Italian newspaper Corriere della sera that there is still no proof of Moscow’s alleged meddling in the US presidential elections, calling the accusations “myth-making with a goal to solve the short-term political objectives.”

“No promised ‘evidence’ of interference in the electoral process has been presented neither to the American, nor to the international public,” Lavrov said.
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Re: Fake Newz
« Reply #23 on: December 01, 2016, 10:07:30 AM »
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House passes intelligence bill aimed at thwarting Russia's 'influence over people & govts'

This is fake news.  The only source is RT and no names are named.  Be it known that all members of Congress have names and as no sponsor or NAME is mentioned anywhere in the RT report, this news is a crock of shit.  There is no other source.

My lists are good for amateur bloodhounds sniffing out truth.  RT's report really is fake news this time, unless someone post details on the bill, details I can't find; that is how it goes. 

RT was on the original list.  An named professor does not work for me.  The RT story were it true would be the opening of a Pandora's box.

Besides which, the list is only a start for me.  I was making lists of my own and collecting independent news websites all on my own for a long time.  Now I have critical mass to work with and I will manage the list and keep it clean as lists like this are always under attack and links are rewritten and blocked.  RT will be removed from my list.  It already is in the newspaper pile anyway.  RT will be gone from my alternative news list in tonights upload.

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" lists like this are always under attack and links are rewritten and blocked."

I fixed one last night and I will be checking links on a regular basis.  This is no paranoia.  I  have had my list for years and know what happens when you own one.  Somebody seems to be able to hack into anything they want to but they don't seem to perhaps have quite all the staff or time they would like to have.

I wonder who that could be?


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Re: Fake Newz
« Reply #24 on: December 01, 2016, 10:26:12 AM »
Step 2 in the Fake Newz project is for a 93-page bill to suddenly pop into existence and pass the House, with the Senate to vote before the end of the year, which takes it for granted that Russia interfered in the US election, and creating a new interagency panel to suppress "covert influences".

https://www.rt.com/usa/368776-house-bill-russian-influence/
House passes intelligence bill aimed at thwarting Russia's 'influence over people & govts'
1 Dec, 2016

The House of Representatives has passed an intelligence bill aimed at tackling what Washington claims is political interference by Russia on a global level.

The 93-page bill, passed by the House in a 390-30 vote on Wednesday, calls for setting up a new, interagency panel to suppress Russia's alleged attempts to "exert covert influence over peoples and governments," The Washington Post reported.

The draft legislation goes on to state that the panel would be tasked with "countering active measures by Russia to exert covert influence, including exposing falsehoods, agents of influence, corruption, human rights abuses, terrorism and assassinations carried out by the security services or political elites of the Russian Federation or their proxies.”

The bill could be seen in direct opposition to President-elect Donald Trump's plan to strengthen relations with Moscow.

In addition to thwarting Russia's alleged interference, the bill also outlines funding for efforts to foil attacks and deny terrorists safe harbor in Iraq, Syria, North Africa, and other locations. It aims to strengthen counter-intelligence and address threats from adversaries in cyberspace, space and at sea.

It also updates whistleblower procedures in the intelligence community and requires a declassification review of intelligence reports on detainees transferred out of Guantanamo Bay by President Barack Obama and former President George W. Bush.

The Senate is expected to vote on the bill before the end of the year.

Also Wednesday, the six Democrats on the Senate Intelligence Committee sent a letter to President Obama, seeking declassification of information about Russia's alleged meddling in the US presidential election.

“We believe there is additional information concerning the Russian government and the US election that should be declassified and released to the public,” they wrote in the letter. "We are conveying specifics through classified channels."

Moscow has dismissed claims that it meddled in the US presidential election as "nonsense," with President Vladimir Putin calling the accusation an attempt to distract American voters from domestic issues.

Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov recently told Italian newspaper Corriere della sera that there is still no proof of Moscow’s alleged meddling in the US presidential elections, calling the accusations “myth-making with a goal to solve the short-term political objectives.”

“No promised ‘evidence’ of interference in the electoral process has been presented neither to the American, nor to the international public,” Lavrov said.

Trust the Congress to do the exact wrong thing, for the obvious reasons.

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Re: Fake Newz
« Reply #25 on: December 01, 2016, 10:26:55 AM »
https://theintercept.com/2016/11/26/washington-post-disgracefully-promotes-a-mccarthyite-blacklist-from-a-new-hidden-and-very-shady-group/


Washington Post Disgracefully Promotes a McCarthyite Blacklist From a New, Hidden, and Very Shady Group
Ben Norton
Glenn Greenwald
November 26 2016, 11:17 a.m.

The Washington Post on Thursday night promoted the claims of a new, shadowy organization that smears dozens of U.S. news sites that are critical of U.S. foreign policy as being “routine peddlers of Russian propaganda.” The article by reporter Craig Timberg — headlined “Russian propaganda effort helped spread ‘fake news’ during election, experts say” — cites a report by an anonymous website calling itself PropOrNot, which claims that millions of Americans have been deceived this year in a massive Russian “misinformation campaign.”

The group’s list of Russian disinformation outlets includes WikiLeaks and the Drudge Report, as well as Clinton-critical left-wing websites such as Truthout, Black Agenda Report, Truthdig, and Naked Capitalism, as well as libertarian venues such as Antiwar.com and the Ron Paul Institute.

This Post report was one of the most widely circulated political news articles on social media over the last 48 hours, with dozens, perhaps hundreds, of U.S. journalists and pundits with large platforms hailing it as an earth-shattering exposé. It was the most-read piece on the entire Post website on Friday after it was published.

Yet the article is rife with obviously reckless and unproven allegations, and fundamentally shaped by shoddy, slothful journalistic tactics. It was not surprising to learn that, as BuzzFeed’s Sheera Frenkel noted, “a lot of reporters passed on this story.” Its huge flaws are self-evident. But the Post gleefully ran with it and then promoted it aggressively, led by its Executive Editor Marty Baron:


In casting the group behind this website as “experts,” the Post described PropOrNot simply as “a nonpartisan collection of researchers with foreign policy, military and technology backgrounds.” Not one individual at the organization is named. The executive director is quoted, but only on the condition of anonymity, which the Post said it was providing the group “to avoid being targeted by Russia’s legions of skilled hackers.”

In other words, the individuals behind this newly created group are publicly branding journalists and news outlets as tools of Russian propaganda — even calling on the FBI to investigate them for espionage — while cowardly hiding their own identities. The group promoted by the Post thus embodies the toxic essence of Joseph McCarthy, but without the courage to attach individual names to the blacklist. Echoing the Wisconsin senator, the group refers to its lengthy collection of sites spouting Russian propaganda as “The List.”

The credentials of this supposed group of experts are impossible to verify, as none is provided either by the Post or by the group itself. The Intercept contacted PropOrNot and asked numerous questions about its team, but received only this reply: “We’re getting a lot of requests for comment and can get back to you today =) [smiley face emoticon].” The group added: “We’re over 30 people, organized into teams, and we cannot confirm or deny anyone’s involvement.”

Thus far, they have provided no additional information beyond that. As Fortune’s Matthew Ingram wrote in criticizing the Post article, PropOrNot’s Twitter account “has only existed since August of this year. And an article announcing the launch of the group on its website is dated last month.” WHOIS information for the domain name is not available, as the website uses private registration.

More troubling still, PropOrNot listed numerous organizations on its website as “allied” with it, yet many of these claimed “allies” told The Intercept, and complained on social media, they have nothing to do with the group and had never even heard of it before the Post published its story.
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Re: Fake Newz
« Reply #26 on: December 01, 2016, 02:39:19 PM »
Step 2 in the Fake Newz project is for a 93-page bill to suddenly pop into existence and pass the House, with the Senate to vote before the end of the year, which takes it for granted that Russia interfered in the US election, and creating a new interagency panel to suppress "covert influences".

https://www.rt.com/usa/368776-house-bill-russian-influence/
House passes intelligence bill aimed at thwarting Russia's 'influence over people & govts'
1 Dec, 2016

The House of Representatives has passed an intelligence bill aimed at tackling what Washington claims is political interference by Russia on a global level.

The 93-page bill, passed by the House in a 390-30 vote on Wednesday, calls for setting up a new, interagency panel to suppress Russia's alleged attempts to "exert covert influence over peoples and governments," The Washington Post reported.

The draft legislation goes on to state that the panel would be tasked with "countering active measures by Russia to exert covert influence, including exposing falsehoods, agents of influence, corruption, human rights abuses, terrorism and assassinations carried out by the security services or political elites of the Russian Federation or their proxies.”

The bill could be seen in direct opposition to President-elect Donald Trump's plan to strengthen relations with Moscow.

In addition to thwarting Russia's alleged interference, the bill also outlines funding for efforts to foil attacks and deny terrorists safe harbor in Iraq, Syria, North Africa, and other locations. It aims to strengthen counter-intelligence and address threats from adversaries in cyberspace, space and at sea.

It also updates whistleblower procedures in the intelligence community and requires a declassification review of intelligence reports on detainees transferred out of Guantanamo Bay by President Barack Obama and former President George W. Bush.

The Senate is expected to vote on the bill before the end of the year.

Also Wednesday, the six Democrats on the Senate Intelligence Committee sent a letter to President Obama, seeking declassification of information about Russia's alleged meddling in the US presidential election.

“We believe there is additional information concerning the Russian government and the US election that should be declassified and released to the public,” they wrote in the letter. "We are conveying specifics through classified channels."

Moscow has dismissed claims that it meddled in the US presidential election as "nonsense," with President Vladimir Putin calling the accusation an attempt to distract American voters from domestic issues.

Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov recently told Italian newspaper Corriere della sera that there is still no proof of Moscow’s alleged meddling in the US presidential elections, calling the accusations “myth-making with a goal to solve the short-term political objectives.”

“No promised ‘evidence’ of interference in the electoral process has been presented neither to the American, nor to the international public,” Lavrov said.

Trust the Congress to do the exact wrong thing, for the obvious reasons.

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Full of sound and fury signifying nothing.  So the un-named and in-numbered bill which has unidentifiable sponsors has 93 pages.  That would be good to know if it were not a red flag in itself.  What congressional bill only has 93 pages?  Half of what RE spews is longer than that.  LOL.

All stories anywhere link back to RT.  There is no bill or if there is it is essentially unrelated to the accusation else it would be identified.
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Re: Fake Newz
« Reply #27 on: December 01, 2016, 04:20:59 PM »
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There is no bill or if there is it is essentially unrelated to the accusation else it would be identified.

RT updated their article after I posted it.  It now gives the vote number and a link
to govtrack.

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/114-2016/h593
    House Vote #593 in 2016

H.R. 6393: Intelligence Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2017

This was a vote to pass H.R. 6393 in the House. The federal budget process occurs in two stages: appropriations and authorizations. This is an authorization bill, which directs how federal funds should or should not be used. (It does not set overall spending limits, however, which are the subject of appropriations bills.) Authorizations are typically made for single fiscal years (October 1 through September 30 of the next year) but are often renewed in subsequent law. This vote was taken under a House procedure called “suspension of the rules” which is typically used to pass non-controversial bills. Votes under suspension require a 2/3rds majority. A failed vote under suspension can be taken again.

Congress: 114th Congress
Date: Nov 30, 2016
Chamber: House
Number: #593

Question:
    On Motion to Suspend the Rules and Pass in the House
Result:
    Passed

390 - 30 Passed

[Complete list of voters, party breakdowns, etc]



https://www.gop.gov/bill/h-r-6393-intelligence-authorization-act-fiscal-year-2017/
H.R. 6393
Intelligence Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2017

Sponsor: Rep. Devin Nunes

Bill Summary

H.R. 6393 authorizes appropriations for intelligence and intelligence-related activities of the U.S. government for fiscal year 2017. This bill is similar to H.R. 5077, which passed the House on May 24, 2016, on a bipartisan vote of 371-35, but reflects extensive negotiations with the Senate. The Senate Select Committee on Intelligence reported S. 3017 on June 15, 2016. All provisions in H.R. 6393 are derived from H.R. 5077 or S. 3017.  The Legislative Digest for H.R. 5077 can be found here. Significant changes from H.R. 5077—reflecting provisions incorporated from S. 3017—include:
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Matters Relating to Foreign Countries: Creates a new Title V that establishes an interagency committee to counter active measure by the Russian Federation to exert cover influence, places limitations on travel of accredited diplomats and consular of the Russian Federation in the United States, and requires a study on enhanced intelligence and information sharing with Open Skies Treaty member states.
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Re: Fake Newz
« Reply #28 on: December 01, 2016, 08:27:12 PM »
Excellent!

There is something to the bill.  It is a bill to fund spooks which the American taxpayer gets to pay for.  I am not understanding why RT could not have mentioned:

1)  H.R. 6393
2)  Rep. Devin Nunes
3) Details regarding the relevant content:

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SEC.  5

COMMITTEE  TO  COUNTER  ACTIVE  MEASURES  BY  THE  RUSSIAN  FEDERATION  TO  EXERT  COVERT  INFLUENCE  OVER  PEOPLES  AND  GOVERNMENTS.

DEFINITIONS
.—In this section:

(1)  ACTIVE   MEASURES   BY   RUSSIA   TO   EXERT COVERT   INFLUENCE

.—The  term  ‘‘active  measures 
by  Russia  to  exert  covert  influence’’  means  activities  intended  to  influence  a  person  or  government  that  are  carried  out  in  coordination  with,  or  at  the  behest  of,  political  leaders  or  the  security  services  of  the  Russian Federation and the role of the Russian Federation  has  been  hidden  or  not  acknowledged  publicly, including the following:

(A)  Establishment  or  funding  of  a  front 

group.

(B) Covert broadcasting.
(C) Media manipulation.
(D) Disinformation and forgeries.
(E) Funding agents of influence.
(F)  Incitement  and  offensive  counterinteligence
(G) Assassinations.
 (H) Terrorist acts.

I am not understanding unless RT did not want to admit that the Russian Federation is actively involved with media manipulation and that this bill is really nothing new as they wished to claim.  Section V is new, but it is described as a reaction to current Russian activity the knowledge of which I imagine RT wished to suppress.  Regardless, I am about to remove RT from the alternative list.  It belongs in my newspapers anyway. 

The story was not a balanced report and I was right to disregard it while Palloy's persistence unearthed the details.  Thank you Palloy!

RT does however have some redeeming qualities.



The eye candy can be pretty good!

This one was especially attractive!  She has more than just good looks!



A worthy question is RT any more unbalanced in its reporting than any of it's western counterparts?

I think not.

H.R. 5077 the predecessor bill to H.R. 6393 passed the House on May 24, 2016, with a bipartisan vote of 371-35.  I find that number disappointing.  A better way to counter propaganda would be to educate the American people on how to tell the difference between fake news and the real deal.  Unfortunately to our lawmakers it is better to take the low road than the high road for the high road would also expose domestic lies.  Yet expecting members of congress to be independent thinkers is certainly expecting too much!

If I were in congress I would not be adding fuel to the fire of the propaganda arms race.

Regarding the anchor who quit.  I need to know more about her and her reasons for quitting before I can make an opinion about what she did.  She gets some benefit of doubt from me since she was quitting, but not much.
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Re: Fake Newz
« Reply #29 on: December 01, 2016, 08:43:11 PM »
The Ruskies CERTAINLY put up HOTTER Newz Anchors than the Western MSM!  :icon_mrgreen:


RT is obviously officially sanctioned propaganda from their side, it fits alt-news because it's diametrically opposed to what the MSM puts up here.  How true it all is is open to question.  Southfront is similar, although not an official state propaganda source, they spin everything from the Ruskie POV.

These are basically Political sites, not Collapse sites and I think there needs to be a distinction.  For example with the Diner, while we do report on Geopolitics, this is not the main focus, it's just one of the areas we cover.  Comparable sites to the Diner might be stuff like PeakOil.com or Archdruid or Automatic Earth, but none of those really covers collapse events in the way the Diner does.

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