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« Reply #15 on: December 09, 2018, 04:56:13 AM »
This seems to be a clear example of the climate change "solution" being worse than the disease, partly because it did not take into account inevitable unintended consequences. Even if the taxes were intended to help the transition away from fossil fuels, it turns a lot of poor and middle class people place more value on remaining alive and somewhat prosperous now than 20-50 years into the hypothetical future.

Not at all.  It was transparently obvious to everyone that this tax wasn't about helping to transition to "Green" energy, it was about plugging holes in the Frog budget so that Manny didn't have to raise taxes on the rich scumbags and corporations in France he serves.  If it was to help transition to green energy, the tax would have been earmarked to provide subsidies to the working class to switch to EVs.  It wasn't.  Typical Bankster that he is, he thought he could get away with it again.  Not this time.  One thing the French are good at, it's rioting.  You don't quit after one weekend.  You keep at it, week after week and you hit 'em where it hurts, in the pocketbook.  This mayhem is costing the Frog Goobermint and rich fuck bizness owners Millions, if not Billions.  Well done by the French People.  :emthup:

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It occurs to me the French have historically had a solution for oppression from above.



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« Reply #16 on: December 09, 2018, 11:24:37 AM »
This seems to be a clear example of the climate change "solution" being worse than the disease, partly because it did not take into account inevitable unintended consequences. Even if the taxes were intended to help the transition away from fossil fuels, it turns a lot of poor and middle class people place more value on remaining alive and somewhat prosperous now than 20-50 years into the hypothetical future.

Not at all.  It was transparently obvious to everyone that this tax wasn't about helping to transition to "Green" energy, it was about plugging holes in the Frog budget so that Manny didn't have to raise taxes on the rich scumbags and corporations in France he serves.  If it was to help transition to green energy, the tax would have been earmarked to provide subsidies to the working class to switch to EVs.  It wasn't.  Typical Bankster that he is, he thought he could get away with it again.  Not this time.  One thing the French are good at, it's rioting.  You don't quit after one weekend.  You keep at it, week after week and you hit 'em where it hurts, in the pocketbook.  This mayhem is costing the Frog Goobermint and rich fuck bizness owners Millions, if not Billions.  Well done by the French People.  :emthup:

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It occurs to me the French have historically had a solution for oppression from above.



I stand corrected!

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« Reply #17 on: December 09, 2018, 12:09:48 PM »
This seems to be a clear example of the climate change "solution" being worse than the disease, partly because it did not take into account inevitable unintended consequences. Even if the taxes were intended to help the transition away from fossil fuels, it turns a lot of poor and middle class people place more value on remaining alive and somewhat prosperous now than 20-50 years into the hypothetical future.

Not at all.  It was transparently obvious to everyone that this tax wasn't about helping to transition to "Green" energy, it was about plugging holes in the Frog budget so that Manny didn't have to raise taxes on the rich scumbags and corporations in France he serves.  If it was to help transition to green energy, the tax would have been earmarked to provide subsidies to the working class to switch to EVs.  It wasn't.  Typical Bankster that he is, he thought he could get away with it again.  Not this time.  One thing the French are good at, it's rioting.  You don't quit after one weekend.  You keep at it, week after week and you hit 'em where it hurts, in the pocketbook.  This mayhem is costing the Frog Goobermint and rich fuck bizness owners Millions, if not Billions.  Well done by the French People.  :emthup:

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« Reply #18 on: December 09, 2018, 12:20:18 PM »
A Tale of Two Countries

*Tom Lewis writing with a strategic intro pic.



In the best of times, it’s a good thing to be in the ten percent. Not so much, in the worst of times.

It is the best of times, it is the worst of times.

In August, Bloomberg Business mentioned, matter-of-factly, “There’s no doubt that the U.S. economy is in a boom.” The New York Times echoed, in November, “The economy is booming, with more people working at higher pay.” The belief that the economy is “booming” has become so well established among the well established that it is now presented not as an argument, but as an aside requiring no supporting evidence. Most economists “never thought the economy could grow this fast,” gushed former Federal Reserve Governor Kevin Warsh in October.

And yet, in this same country, in November, General Motors — the throbbing iron heart of industrial America — announced it was closing five manufacturing plants in the U.S. and Canada, it was killing off several passenger cars – including the Chevrolet Impala – and eliminating the jobs of 14,000 people. This followed a similar downsizing by Ford. The economy is booming, but people are not buying cars? Really? 

On the other hand, U.S. consumer confidence rose to an 18-year high in October, driven by what CNBC called “a robust labor market, suggesting strong economic growth could persist in the near term.” A happier country than this surely cannot be imagined.

And yet, in this same country, we learned in November that life expectancy declined again in 2017, according to a bleak series of government reports that showed a nation still in the grip of escalating drug and suicide crises. Appalling increases in so-called “deaths of despair” — from suicide, drug overdoses, and alcoholism — are driving the longest sustained decline in expected life span in a century.

On the other hand, the government estimated the unemployment rate in September to be a mere 3.7 percent of the workforce, the lowest rate seen since 1969, in the eighth year of declining unemployment. At the same time, average earnings rose eight cents over the previous month. “More evidence,” trumpeted the White House, “of a booming United States economy and a strong labor market.”

Yet when the Urban Institute interviewed 7,500 people across the country this fall, they found that 40 per cent of adults reported having had difficulty providing their family with a basic necessity — food, shelter, healthcare or utilities — in the previous year. Wait, what? In the best of all possible economies, large numbers of Americans are going hungry?

How could all these things be true of the same country at the same time? Are we looking at real news on the one hand and fake news on the other? Republican news versus Democrat news?

No, it’s much worse than that. We are in fact reporting on two countries. In the country of the 10%, all is well. Incomes are rising, taxes are going down, health care is easy, and everybody is above average. Things are booming.

In the country of the 80%, however, hunger is a familiar sensation; getting sick means losing your home; a job, if you can get one, is a part-time living hell, and you need three to get by. This country, the country of the 80%, is every day more familiar with deaths of despair.

This is a country divided, being experienced in wildly divergent ways by people who have, and people who have not. And a house divided against itself, as Jesus Christ and Abraham Lincoln have pointed out to us, cannot stand


No, it’s much worse than that. We are in fact reporting on two countries. In the country of the 10%, all is well. Incomes are rising, taxes are going down, health care is easy, and everybody is above average. Things are booming.

http://www.dailyimpact.net/2018/12/03/a-tale-of-two-countries/#more-4106
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« Reply #19 on: December 09, 2018, 04:40:33 PM »
Terrific article. Brings it to a head.
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Re: Doom Wears a Yellow Vest
« Reply #20 on: December 09, 2018, 06:40:48 PM »
This seems to be a clear example of the climate change "solution" being worse than the disease, partly because it did not take into account inevitable unintended consequences. Even if the taxes were intended to help the transition away from fossil fuels, it turns a lot of poor and middle class people place more value on remaining alive and somewhat prosperous now than 20-50 years into the hypothetical future.

Not at all.  It was transparently obvious to everyone that this tax wasn't about helping to transition to "Green" energy, it was about plugging holes in the Frog budget so that Manny didn't have to raise taxes on the rich scumbags and corporations in France he serves.  If it was to help transition to green energy, the tax would have been earmarked to provide subsidies to the working class to switch to EVs.  It wasn't.  Typical Bankster that he is, he thought he could get away with it again.  Not this time.  One thing the French are good at, it's rioting.  You don't quit after one weekend.  You keep at it, week after week and you hit 'em where it hurts, in the pocketbook.  This mayhem is costing the Frog Goobermint and rich fuck bizness owners Millions, if not Billions.  Well done by the French People.  :emthup:

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So if the tax was actually used as investment in green energy, would there be no riots? It's not obvious to me that it matters to the people why they have significantly less money in their pockets, just that they do.

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« Reply #21 on: December 09, 2018, 06:52:55 PM »
This seems to be a clear example of the climate change "solution" being worse than the disease, partly because it did not take into account inevitable unintended consequences. Even if the taxes were intended to help the transition away from fossil fuels, it turns a lot of poor and middle class people place more value on remaining alive and somewhat prosperous now than 20-50 years into the hypothetical future.

Not at all.  It was transparently obvious to everyone that this tax wasn't about helping to transition to "Green" energy, it was about plugging holes in the Frog budget so that Manny didn't have to raise taxes on the rich scumbags and corporations in France he serves.  If it was to help transition to green energy, the tax would have been earmarked to provide subsidies to the working class to switch to EVs.  It wasn't.  Typical Bankster that he is, he thought he could get away with it again.  Not this time.  One thing the French are good at, it's rioting.  You don't quit after one weekend.  You keep at it, week after week and you hit 'em where it hurts, in the pocketbook.  This mayhem is costing the Frog Goobermint and rich fuck bizness owners Millions, if not Billions.  Well done by the French People.  :emthup:

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So if the tax was actually used as investment in green energy, would there be no riots? It's not obvious to me that it matters to the people why they have significantly less money in their pockets, just that they do.

That is an unanswerable hypothetical.  However, if the population got real financial help with the transportation issue that comes with the higher fuel prices, they would be less likely to riot.  For instance, da Gooobermint could have had a plan in place to  subsidize the purchase of EVs to replace the ICE vehicles, keeping overall costs the same for the total transportation bill carried by the working class.  The fact is these folks are at the limit of what they can afford to pay, but Manny and the Banksters want to extract still more from them.  That is why they are rioting, because of rapacious capitalist exploitation.

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« Reply #22 on: December 09, 2018, 07:23:24 PM »
This seems to be a clear example of the climate change "solution" being worse than the disease, partly because it did not take into account inevitable unintended consequences. Even if the taxes were intended to help the transition away from fossil fuels, it turns a lot of poor and middle class people place more value on remaining alive and somewhat prosperous now than 20-50 years into the hypothetical future.

Not at all.  It was transparently obvious to everyone that this tax wasn't about helping to transition to "Green" energy, it was about plugging holes in the Frog budget so that Manny didn't have to raise taxes on the rich scumbags and corporations in France he serves.  If it was to help transition to green energy, the tax would have been earmarked to provide subsidies to the working class to switch to EVs.  It wasn't.  Typical Bankster that he is, he thought he could get away with it again.  Not this time.  One thing the French are good at, it's rioting.  You don't quit after one weekend.  You keep at it, week after week and you hit 'em where it hurts, in the pocketbook.  This mayhem is costing the Frog Goobermint and rich fuck bizness owners Millions, if not Billions.  Well done by the French People.  :emthup:

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So if the tax was actually used as investment in green energy, would there be no riots? It's not obvious to me that it matters to the people why they have significantly less money in their pockets, just that they do.

That is an unanswerable hypothetical.  However, if the population got real financial help with the transportation issue that comes with the higher fuel prices, they would be less likely to riot.  For instance, da Gooobermint could have had a plan in place to  subsidize the purchase of EVs to replace the ICE vehicles, keeping overall costs the same for the total transportation bill carried by the working class.  The fact is these folks are at the limit of what they can afford to pay, but Manny and the Banksters want to extract still more from them.  That is why they are rioting, because of rapacious capitalist exploitation.

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That's the part which is not possible under capitalism or socialism or any other ism. Any such plan will require great sacrifices from the working class in the short-term, and it looks like a lot of people draw the line at sacrificing the ability to consistently put food on their plates and maintain a somewhat decent standard of living.

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Re: Doom Wears a Yellow Vest
« Reply #23 on: December 09, 2018, 07:28:21 PM »
This seems to be a clear example of the climate change "solution" being worse than the disease, partly because it did not take into account inevitable unintended consequences. Even if the taxes were intended to help the transition away from fossil fuels, it turns a lot of poor and middle class people place more value on remaining alive and somewhat prosperous now than 20-50 years into the hypothetical future.

Not at all.  It was transparently obvious to everyone that this tax wasn't about helping to transition to "Green" energy, it was about plugging holes in the Frog budget so that Manny didn't have to raise taxes on the rich scumbags and corporations in France he serves.  If it was to help transition to green energy, the tax would have been earmarked to provide subsidies to the working class to switch to EVs.  It wasn't.  Typical Bankster that he is, he thought he could get away with it again.  Not this time.  One thing the French are good at, it's rioting.  You don't quit after one weekend.  You keep at it, week after week and you hit 'em where it hurts, in the pocketbook.  This mayhem is costing the Frog Goobermint and rich fuck bizness owners Millions, if not Billions.  Well done by the French People.  :emthup:

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So if the tax was actually used as investment in green energy, would there be no riots? It's not obvious to me that it matters to the people why they have significantly less money in their pockets, just that they do.

That is an unanswerable hypothetical.  However, if the population got real financial help with the transportation issue that comes with the higher fuel prices, they would be less likely to riot.  For instance, da Gooobermint could have had a plan in place to  subsidize the purchase of EVs to replace the ICE vehicles, keeping overall costs the same for the total transportation bill carried by the working class.  The fact is these folks are at the limit of what they can afford to pay, but Manny and the Banksters want to extract still more from them.  That is why they are rioting, because of rapacious capitalist exploitation.

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That's the part which is not possible under capitalism or socialism or any other ism. Any such plan will require great sacrifices from the working class in the short-term, and it looks like a lot of people draw the line at sacrificing the ability to consistently put food on their plates and maintain a somewhat decent standard of living.

Not necessarily.  Da Goobermint could take out loans based on the future projected tax receipts and provide FREE replacement EVs to the population in the changeover from ICE to EVE transportation, without the working class experiencing any more pain than they already do.

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Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
« Reply #24 on: December 09, 2018, 08:13:00 PM »
I generally stay out of the political discussions but I thought I would share this from TYT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2tgIlEhOZE

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« Reply #25 on: December 09, 2018, 08:40:02 PM »
I generally stay out of the political discussions but I thought I would share this from TYT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2tgIlEhOZE

Good video!  :emthup:

Here's the Embed.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/T2tgIlEhOZE" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/T2tgIlEhOZE</a>

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🍟 France’s Yellow Vest Rebellion: Liberté, Egalité, Fraternité
« Reply #26 on: December 10, 2018, 12:50:20 AM »

https://www.globalresearch.ca/frances-yellow-vest-rebellion-liberte-egalite-fraternite/5662233

France’s Yellow Vest Rebellion: Liberté, Egalité, Fraternité
Are revolutions coming in 2019?
By Richard Galustian
Global Research, December 08, 2018
Region: Europe
Theme: History, Police State & Civil Rights

There has always been a tradition of rebellion and revolution in France.

The above headline is the instantly recognised phrase that is the most significant National motto of France.

Not only the obvious famous 18th Century Revolution, but in the Spring of 1958 then President René Coty told his Parliament that France was “on the brink of civil war” related to Algeria, (another story that warrants its own OpEd). The outcome was a national legendary unifying figure was selected by political consensus, General de Gaulle, who was asked to confer with the French leadership to examine what, in the framework of ‘the Republic’s constitution’, would enable the immediate formation of “a government of national safety” and “what can be done, in a fairly short time, for a deep reform of our institutions.”

Then there were the famous riots of 1968 and so on, as there were other crises in France after that year.

Coming to the present day, the heart of the matter is the fact that Macron should never have been elected President because the manner of his winning the Presidency was and is considered by many in France to have been highly dubious and even fraudulent, hence his personal extremely low popularity.

An interesting observation was made by a French Professor, Olivier Cahn, who said “the tradition (of revolt) takes root because protests get results in France.”

These last two weekends we have witnessed the worse riots in France for over a half a century.

A consequence of such events, simply put, is that such massive popular riots can and will turn into revolutions, and possibly in other countries as well, in the 21st Century.
French Presidential Election 2017: Nothing Succeeds Like Success. Macron “Selected”. Billionaires and Bankers Rejoice

That Paris like events will be repeated throughout European cities, even in the UK; even across the world, in 2019 is now a real possibility.

I feel the people want, demand change, justice, the young in particular. They, people of the world, are uniquely connected, as in no other way in history by instant transmission of events through the internet and social media.

When for example Blair and Sarkozy, to name but two former corrupt leaders, are arrested and in Court, people will see, maybe for the first time in their lifetime, justice truly being served. That such politicians get away with killing millions of people and making millions of dollars to boot abusing their positions as public servants, is totally intolerable and absolutely unacceptable.

Throughout history people revolted due to exploitation, unfair taxes and injustice by their rulers.

Why not revolt against unpopular and unjust governments?

The great philosopher, France’s Jean Paul Sartre  said Che Guevara was “the most complete human being of our age.”

I contend Guevara was never a real communist, but it suited the powers that be then (and himself) to be labeled so. He was I believe simply an anti-imperialist – a Don Quixote figure; an idealist but nevertheless a revolutionary.

We see the revival and development of imperialism in the 21st Century which makes rebellion and taking to the streets the peoples last and only recourse.

There is a very pertinent short speech on the subject by Guevara, from 1965, only some 30 seconds long, where he articulates the perils of imperialism very eloquently. It was published recently by you, Video: Che Guevara Talks About Imperialism (1965).

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/n92RRrjnx60" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/n92RRrjnx60</a>

Regime change and modern Western imperialism, particularly the American variety, is totally unacceptable and intolerable.

Also very relevant to this not only French but global upheaval is Julian Assange who represents to us all what freedom of speech truly is and what the importance of real journalism is to democracy.

The original important role of the Press was to question power and authority to keep in check abuses and lies of corrupt politicians and systems.

Good journalism was and is a necessary and critical balancer to maintain democracy.

‘Mass Media’ owned by a small elite, particularly the visual snap shot sound bite variety, are the most guilty of all – they are traitors to true journalism with very few exceptions.

So to conclude, I am not qualified to give solutions to the plethora of the world and societies problems, but I for one would welcome revolution where necessary, particular in Europe, if only to get rid of one of the most corrupt institutions ever to exist in history, in Brussels.

I believe revolt in the streets of many cities, particularly in the EU, in 2019 is now inevitable.

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Re: Doom Wears a Yellow Vest
« Reply #27 on: December 10, 2018, 04:10:27 AM »
This seems to be a clear example of the climate change "solution" being worse than the disease, partly because it did not take into account inevitable unintended consequences. Even if the taxes were intended to help the transition away from fossil fuels, it turns a lot of poor and middle class people place more value on remaining alive and somewhat prosperous now than 20-50 years into the hypothetical future.

Not at all.  It was transparently obvious to everyone that this tax wasn't about helping to transition to "Green" energy, it was about plugging holes in the Frog budget so that Manny didn't have to raise taxes on the rich scumbags and corporations in France he serves.  If it was to help transition to green energy, the tax would have been earmarked to provide subsidies to the working class to switch to EVs.  It wasn't.  Typical Bankster that he is, he thought he could get away with it again.  Not this time.  One thing the French are good at, it's rioting.  You don't quit after one weekend.  You keep at it, week after week and you hit 'em where it hurts, in the pocketbook.  This mayhem is costing the Frog Goobermint and rich fuck bizness owners Millions, if not Billions.  Well done by the French People.  :emthup:

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So if the tax was actually used as investment in green energy, would there be no riots? It's not obvious to me that it matters to the people why they have significantly less money in their pockets, just that they do.

That is an unanswerable hypothetical.  However, if the population got real financial help with the transportation issue that comes with the higher fuel prices, they would be less likely to riot.  For instance, da Gooobermint could have had a plan in place to  subsidize the purchase of EVs to replace the ICE vehicles, keeping overall costs the same for the total transportation bill carried by the working class.  The fact is these folks are at the limit of what they can afford to pay, but Manny and the Banksters want to extract still more from them.  That is why they are rioting, because of rapacious capitalist exploitation.

RE

That's the part which is not possible under capitalism or socialism or any other ism. Any such plan will require great sacrifices from the working class in the short-term, and it looks like a lot of people draw the line at sacrificing the ability to consistently put food on their plates and maintain a somewhat decent standard of living.

Not necessarily.  Da Goobermint could take out loans based on the future projected tax receipts and provide FREE replacement EVs to the population in the changeover from ICE to EVE transportation, without the working class experiencing any more pain than they already do.

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Take out loans from who? I'm assuming the cost would be a significant % of GDP and giving out free EVs doesn't necessarily increase any tax receipts.

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« Reply #28 on: December 10, 2018, 05:38:27 AM »

Take out loans from who? I'm assuming the cost would be a significant % of GDP and giving out free EVs doesn't necessarily increase any tax receipts.

Oh good grief.  You issue bonds and then the central bank buys the bonds.  I never said it would increase them, just that you make projections that it will.

Haven't you got it yet that the whole game is a scam?  How do you think the fracking companies stay operational?  They float corporate bonds and the banks buy the bonds.  No reason Da Goobermint can't do the same thing to supply the people with EVs.

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Yellow Jackets? Its the EROEI, stupid
« Reply #29 on: December 10, 2018, 06:51:32 AM »
I generally stay out of the political discussions but I thought I would share this from TYT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2tgIlEhOZE

Good video!  :emthup:

Here's the Embed.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/T2tgIlEhOZE" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/T2tgIlEhOZE</a>

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I had been avoiding this subject. More important things to do while preparing for Climate Chaos, Resource Depletion, Economic Contraction and Social Destabilization.

I had just hoped this wasnt another Ukraine

But my subconscious was bugging me each time I scrolled past these riots without reading. Thing is, my subconscious is often worth listening to as it is working out stuff Im not thinking about.

While all of us argue about politics,  I think we are missing the real issue here. Then it dawned on me.

All of what we are witnessing is the result of declining EROEI. No one else is mentioning that. Lower EROEI, everyone gets poorer, BAU ceases to function. First on the peripheries (Rural Poor) then towards the center (Cities and Rulers)

What I am pointing out is that the Left Right narrative is irrelevant.   If it is an EROEI narrative....

... Then it means that this is coming to Every city and Every nation in the world, in its turn. This is what collapse looks like.

I guess THAT is what my subconscious was trying to point out.


On a prepper note, not only is it good to stay out of cities and not to get riled up when you cant afford something anymore, but also to pay attention to that each country will eventually go to the most riled up. The most angry to the point of riot. Left or right? Doesnt matter. They are both subject to declining EROEI... and nothing can stop the avalanche.

And do you know what all this looks like to me? It looks like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9n29c-q3_8Q

 

 

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