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Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
« Reply #150 on: December 15, 2018, 09:38:41 AM »
I am only a "troll" because I don't own this website/forum and you do.

You are a troll because you fit the definitions of a troll.





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Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
« Reply #151 on: December 15, 2018, 09:43:54 AM »
Which makes you both a contributor to and beneficiary of the "evil capitalist empire", which I have no problem with  :emthup:

It may have escaped your tunnel vision, but this website is not a commercial enterprise, and in fact I pay to run it as my potlach gift to the collapse community.

So take your lies and stick them where the sun don't shine.



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Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
« Reply #152 on: December 15, 2018, 09:56:50 AM »
Like Eddie said, I "troll" the Diner because sometimes I latch on to a topic or and have a hard time letting go.

You have earned another stint in the Cooler for multiple violations of the CoC.  It is against the rules to harp on one topic and beat a dead horse to death.  A more broad overview of collapse topics is required.  You were warned about this previously.

90 days this time.  See you around the Spring Equinox.  Use the time effectively.  Start your own fucking blog.



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Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
« Reply #153 on: December 15, 2018, 10:26:31 AM »
Let him out for Christmas.
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Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
« Reply #154 on: December 15, 2018, 10:35:11 AM »
Let him out for Christmas.

OK, a 2 day Parole for Christmas Eve and Christmas, and another 2 day Parole for New Year's Eve and New Year's Day.  Any Parole Violations during this time will receive an immediate revocation of Parole and an extension of the sentence.

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Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
« Reply #155 on: December 15, 2018, 10:55:14 AM »
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Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
« Reply #156 on: December 15, 2018, 10:57:09 AM »

So you agree the lines YOU draw are arbitrary, but you still continue to draw them? What material advantage do I get from refusing to blame other groups of people for my problems? None. You guys get a huge advantage from drawing the lines wherever you see fit - alleviating yourself from personal responsibility for these problems and having a convenient set of people to point the fingers at, a simple set of characters to populate your "capitalism is bad" ideological narratives.

That's nucking futz. I have never "alleviated myself from personal responsibility for these problems" because I am directly, painfully aware that my lifestyle is, in the long view, horribly profligate of energy. That is why I have said that, although the .01 per cent are malefactors of great wealth forfeit of mercy, the bulk of environmental impacts come from the 10 per cent in this country. (I am not in the top 10 per cent according to Investopedia, but close enough for argument.

You refuse to "draw lines" because you don't like the implications and the conclusions. And the responsibilities.  Self-serving as fuck. Meanwhile, I have no illusions, and make such adjustments and preparations as I can.

How is being "painfully aware" of something taking responsibility for it? If you really believe your lifestyle is a huge problem for energy/environmental collapse, and you really prioritize those things above your own interests, and the interests of your family, then give it up. Do that before castigating Trump, the republicans, the bankers and all the rest. That would be taking responsibility.

I refuse to draw lines, because as we have already established here, the lines are completely arbitrary. I also take my human nature seriously, the shadow personality we were talking about on another thread, and know that I cannot be trusted to draw the lines justly. The people who are eager to draw lines are the ones who are drawing them for either self-serving or nihilistic reasons.

Good he can come out for Christmas and New Years.  The following could help him out if he pays attention.


The problem is actually Ashvin's violation of the COC.  Consider:

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How is being "painfully aware" of something taking responsibility for it? I is a huge problem for energy/environmental collapse, and you really prioritize those things above your own interests, and the interests of your family, then give it up. Do that before castigating Trump, the republicans, the bankers and all the rest. That would be taking responsibility.

  • You attacks Surly1 personally.

    'If you really believe your lifestyle 'assigns to Surly1 a claim surly has not made.

    'and you really prioritize those things above your own interests' Enough yous makes it personal and me dizzy.  Diners do not demean other Diners.

    'Do that before castigating Trump, the republicans, the bankers and all the rest. That would be taking responsibility.'  False logic - nothing would change in the world by this recipe.  Doom would triumph.

Beyond which it assumes a fuck of a lot about how Surly1 lives his life and Ashvin has no way of knowing such intimate details about Surly1.  (Unless he is that kind of troll.).

I hear Eddie's concerns with Ashvin but we need:



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Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
« Reply #157 on: December 15, 2018, 02:18:51 PM »

I refuse to draw lines, because as we have already established here, the lines are completely arbitrary. I also take my human nature seriously, the shadow personality we were talking about on another thread, and know that I cannot be trusted to draw the lines justly. The people who are eager to draw lines are the ones who are drawing them for either self-serving or nihilistic reasons.

Good he can come out for Christmas and New Years.  The following could help him out if he pays attention.


I'm glad you spoke up, because I was starting to wonder if RE was the only other person to see whats he was doing.

In terms of restriction, I would urge a lighter stick, because I roll that way.

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At the next vacancy for God, if I am elected,
I shall forgive last the delicately wounded who,
having been slugged no harder than anyone else,
never got up again, neither to fight back,
nor to finger their jaws in painful admiration.
They who are wholly broken, and they in whom mercy is understanding,
I shall embrace at once and lead to pillows in heaven.
But they who are the meek by trade, baiting the best of their betters with extortions of a mock-helplessness,
I shall take last to love, and never wholly.
Let them all in Heaven - I abolish Hell -
but let it be read over them as they enter:
Beware the calculations of the meek, who gambled nothing
gave nothing, and could never receive enough.

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In terms of "refusing to draw lines," that is nonsense because we all draw lines. Truth, as we see it, is worth defending. And as they say, if you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything.

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Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
« Reply #158 on: December 15, 2018, 02:36:40 PM »
In terms of restriction, I would urge a lighter stick, because I roll that way.

I already gave him 10 day and 30 day trips to the Cooler.  They didn't work to change his behavior.  Some men you just can't reach.  It's a Failure to Communicate.

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Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
« Reply #159 on: December 15, 2018, 08:52:45 PM »
Beware the calculations of the meek, who gambled nothing
gave nothing, and could never receive enough.

Damn that's good!
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Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
« Reply #160 on: December 15, 2018, 09:13:56 PM »
Beware the calculations of the meek Masters of the Universe, who gambled nothing
gave nothing took everything, and could never receive enough.

Fixed that for you.

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Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
« Reply #161 on: December 15, 2018, 09:29:28 PM »
Beware the calculations of the meek Masters of the Universe, who gambled nothing
gave nothing took everything, and could never receive enough.

Fixed that for you.

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Excellent!  A natural progression.  These meek, seeing only themselves, become legends in their own mind.  Masters of the Universe as you say.  Seeing their own need and none of the needs of others, they take all.
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🍟 The Yellow Vest Insurgency – What’s Next?
« Reply #162 on: December 16, 2018, 01:15:32 AM »
https://www.greanvillepost.com/2018/12/15/the-yellow-vest-insurgency-whats-next/

The Yellow Vest Insurgency – What’s Next?

HELP ENLIGHTEN YOUR FELLOWS. BE SURE TO PASS THIS ON. SURVIVAL DEPENDS ON IT.


by ROBERT HUNZIKER


Paris, France, December 2018: A potential worldwide insurgency of the working class starts in France as Yellow Vests occupy the streets.

“Some 75% of the French back the gilets jaunes. And this support has held up despite the violence.” (Source: La République en Flammes, The Economist, December 8-14, 2018)
The French Yellow Vests Insurgency may or may not grow into a major threat to the established order; nobody knows for sure how it will play out.

Nevertheless, the undertone has been obvious for some years. Once the world publicly recognized a division between the 1% and everybody else, the stage was set for flare-ups, like the Yellow Vest Insurgency movement, as tens of thousands of people dressed in bright yellow vests hit the streets.

Why would tens of thousands of people wearing bright yellow vests, similar to roadside workers, hit the streets? Answer: They’re pissed off!

And, where do tens of thousands of the yellow vests come from? In 2008 France passed a law requiring all motorists to have high-visibility vests in vehicles as a safety measure should the driver need to exit a vehicle on a roadside. Therefore, everybody with a vehicle in France has a yellow vest.

It goes without saying that, over the past three decades, neoliberal globalization set the table for dissolution of the middle class as wages around the world collapsed into a SE Asian vortex of slave labor. This is the heart of the matter behind the Yellow Vest movement, albeit sparked by the Macron government’s new fuel taxes. This is also the biggest reason why a worldwide revolution of the working classes may actually happen, inclusive of pretty much everybody below the top 1% plus the upper-upper-middle-class.

So far, repercussions have been potent on a worldwide basis. For example, retail stores in Cairo have been ordered by the police not to sell yellow vests. Egypt’s abusive dictator General Abdel Fattah al Sisi is looking over his shoulder at France where Yellow Vests have established a foothold that’s spreading like a house afire.

Without doubt, governments are panicked over the prospect of radicalization of the international working class. In France, working class demands include social equality, wage increases, a halt of militarism, reinstituting the wealth tax, and the overthrow of unpopular governments, making Macron look an awful lot like a modern-day clone of Louis XVI (beheaded in 1793).

Recently, Macron made some concessions to demands of the Yellow Vests. They’re not impressed!

“This time, however, is different. The gilets jaunes emerged from nowhere via social media. They are not the product of organized unions or political parties. Their structureless and leaderless nature makes them potent, volatile, and difficult for the police and government to handle. They do not follow the codified rules of protest. Their diverse demands range from an end to the eco-tax to the resignation of Mr. Macron – and even his replacement with a military general. And the government cannot find leaders willing to attend meetings,” Ibid.
Without doubt, governments are panicked over the prospect of radicalization of the international working class. In France, working class demands include social equality, wage increases, a halt of militarism, reinstituting the wealth tax, and the overthrow of unpopular governments, making Macron look an awful lot like a modern-day clone of Louis XVI (beheaded in 1793).
All of which describes the future of revolutionary activity throughout the world. It is seamlessly simple and frighteningly powerful.

In Algeria, protestors donned yellow vests in response to a failing system, as family after family cannot afford the basics of life.

In Tunisia, a new group called “Red Vests” issued a call for protests of a Tunisian political system that promotes “systematic impoverishment.”

In Belgium, police violently cracked down on angry groups of Yellow Vests with similar demands.

In Basra, Iraq Yellow Vests criticize widespread contamination of drinking water and poor city services and corruption under a NATO-backed neocolonial regime. Meanwhile, 243 miles away in Baghdad Yellow Vests hit the streets in sympathy.

“Yellow Vest” has become a catchall for all of the grievances of working people. Indeed, this is how revolts commence in earnest. And, it is indicative of a world order that is edgy, angry, and ready for conflict with the first spark of ignition.

The precursor for the present insurrection was identification of an elite class, or the 1%. Throughout history, revolutions aspire to confrontation once lines of division have been clearly drawn, e.g., the Boston Tea Party, or the fall of the Bastille, or today’s “One Percent,” which clearly divides the world into “haves” and “have-nots.” Certainly, the One Percent is one of the clearest, easiest targets of all time.
Gilets Jaunes demonstrating in Brussels. The city has been extremely sympathetic to events in France, and especially Paris.

Not only a clear division, but years of pent up anger magnifies when people know they’ve been screwed. Under Macron, for example, French subsidies for part-time jobs were slashed, housing aid for low-income people cut, and pension checks axed, as he repealed France’s wealth tax, meaning more goodies for the rich at the expense of everybody else. It doesn’t take an accountant to figure out that the working class ends up subsidizing the wealth tax cut.

Furthermore, once people voice dissent in the streets, like the fuel tax revolt in France, magnification of many other issues come into sharp focus. For example, in France students have walked out of 200 schools to protest reforms to high-stakes baccalaureate exams and new higher-education admission procedures. And, university students are now protesting recent hikes in tuition.

Four words, “Yellow Vests and One-Percent,” have converged in a firestorm of resentfulness of every inequity propagated by the utter failure of elite capitalistic globalism punctuated by its neoliberal tendencies. It’s as if the world has lost its way, directionless meandering that honors wealth creation but nothing else.

Similar to the Arab Spring of 2010, minor events reverberate into major events, which may or may not explode into a massive revolution in protest of a capitalistic system that shamefully rewards the rich by preying on workers of the world. But, social media fights back.

The discontent is all about austerity efforts, for example, Philip Alston, the UN Special Rapporteur on extreme poverty and human rights described the austerity policies in the UK as “punitive, mean spirited and callous… heading towards an alienated society made of dramatically disconnected groups, those living the high life and the very poor, relying on food banks even if in work.” (Source: UN Special Rapporteur Makes damning Criticism of Austerity, National Survivor User Network, Nov. 2018)

Philip Alston’s study of austerity policies and consequences equally applies to major developed countries throughout the world, as “austerity” has been the order of the day in Turkey, Italy, Greece, France, Portugal, Spain, Ireland in large measure to satisfy the EU and IMF that their loans will be repaid. Oh please!

Still, revolutions take a long time to play out: The American Revolution, 1775-1783; the French Revolution, 1789-1799; the Chinese Communist Revolution, 1945-1950; the Cuban Revolution, 1953-1959; the Spring of Nations Revolutions of 1848-1852 against monarchies in Germany, France, Italy, and Austria.

Revolutions start with a loss of decency. Today, the world is full of indecencies for the “working poor.” The Yellow Vest insurgency is only possible because of a failure of global capitalism to uplift the working class.

Instead, it puts a boot on their necks.

ABOUT THE AUTHOR
Robert Hunziker lives in Los Angeles and can be reached at rlhunziker@gmail.com.
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Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
« Reply #163 on: December 16, 2018, 03:40:30 AM »
Beware the calculations of the meek, who gambled nothing
gave nothing, and could never receive enough.

Damn that's good!

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Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
« Reply #164 on: December 16, 2018, 07:27:18 AM »
I miss Ashvin already.  :-[

 

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