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« Reply #225 on: April 15, 2019, 05:01:57 PM »
Apparently there was a huge attic space above the vaulted ceiling that was full of ancient braced timber beams. They had been doing restoration and repair work on the roof in the area where the fire started. Sounds accidental.

A real tragedy though.It was way more than just a church. It was part of all our history....been there since the Middle Ages. So sorry to hear about this one.
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« Reply #226 on: April 15, 2019, 05:55:43 PM »
Apparently there was a huge attic space above the vaulted ceiling that was full of ancient braced timber beams. They had been doing restoration and repair work on the roof in the area where the fire started. Sounds accidental.

A real tragedy though.It was way more than just a church. It was part of all our history....been there since the Middle Ages. So sorry to hear about this one.

Very coincidental that it would occur during Holy Week right before Easter.

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How much do you think the rebuild will cost?

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$700M in the first day!  Billionaires trying to out-do each other in contributions!  This could turn out to be the best thing that ever happened to Notre Dame!  They were having trouble raisin a few $million$ for renovations.  They'll have a $billion$ to spend here EZ!

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Day after devastating Notre Dame Cathedral fire, millions in donations pour in
Kim Hjelmgaard, Rebecca Rosman and Joey Garrison, USA TODAY Published 3:32 a.m. ET April 16, 2019 | Updated 7:17 p.m. ET April 16, 2019


PARIS — A day after a devastating fire erupted in the beloved Notre Dame Cathedral, the French people — and much of the world — vowed to restore an iconic church that's served as the symbol of Paris for 850 years.

More than $700 million in committed donations poured in Tuesday to rebuild the damaged portions of the cathedral with major help from some of the richest families in France.

It came amid a sigh of relief after fears that the building might burn to the ground were assuaged and many historic artifacts, initially assumed to be destroyed, were found salvaged.

French President Emmanuel Macron, in a televised address to the nation Tuesday evening, made a call to unity and to set aside political differences in the coming days to work to rebuild the cathedral.

Throughout French history, he said, towns, forts and churches have burned from revolutions, wars or mankind, "and each time we have rebuilt."

"We are rebuilders," he said. "There's a great deal to be rebuilt. And we will make the cathedral of Notre Dame even more beautiful. We can do this and we will mobilize everybody."

Macron said that he wanted Notre Dame rebuilt in 5 years. But architects say the repairs could take decades.

"This is going to be a slow process and one that's going to take a lot of time," said John J. Casbarian, dean emeritus at Rice University's School of Architecture, where he oversees a the school's program in Paris.

The French interior minister said Tuesday that there are still some risks that may endanger the structure of Notre Dame cathedral, noting that the centuries-old house of worship was “under permanent surveillance" because it could still budge.

Christophe Castaner told reporters that state workers would need to wait 48 hours before being able to safely enter Notre Dame and handle the art works still inside. “We will be standing at (Notre Dame’s) bedside,” he added.

Firefighters earlier declared victory when they announced the devastating inferno was officially put out after an intense effort to save the cathedral in the French capital.

The Paris Fire Service announced on Twitter that firefighters "came to grips with" the blaze at 3:30 a.m. Tuesday, more than 12 hours after nearly 400 firefighters had battled the flames that altered the city's skyline. Two policemen and one firefighter had been slightly injured, according to the fire service. There were no reported fatalities.

Paris firefighters spokesman Gabriel Plus said "the entire fire is out" and that emergency personnel were "surveying the movement of the structures and extinguishing smoldering residues."

One of the city’s five senior vicars, Philippe Marsset, told the Associated Press: “If God intervened (in the blaze) it was in the courage of the firefighters.”

Photos and video from inside Notre Dame showed light beams coming from the decimated wood roof, which was built from nearly 13,000 oak trees. It helped fuel the raging fire. Smoldering rubble could be seen piled up on the cathedral's floor. And yet there were glimpses of hope – the cathedral's stone foundation remained strong and  candles were still lit from visitors who had gone there the day before.

The cathedral's famous twin bell towers were visibly intact. The 18th century organ that boasts 8,000 pipes also appeared to have survived, as did all three of the massive Rose stained-glass windows that date back to the 13th century and other historic treasures from inside the cathedral, officials said.

Evacuated artworks, including the Christ’s Crown of Thorns, have been transferred to the Louvre museum in Paris.

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A massive fundraising campaign was underway Tuesday to rebuild the cathedral. The more than $700 amassed so far includes a $113 million pledge from French billionaire Francois Henri Pinault and $226 million from fellow billionaire Bernard Arnault and his LVMH group.

The two French businessmen, long considered rivals, are now going tit-for-tat on Notre Dame donations, according to the Associated Press. Arnault, the richest man in all of Europe, is CEO of the world’s biggest luxury group, LVMH, the owner of iconic fashion houses Louis Vuitton and Christian Dior. He doubled the amount pledged by Pinault, owner of he world’s second-biggest luxury group, Kering.

French cosmetics company L'Oréal, along with The Bettencourt Meyers family and the Bettencourt Schueller Foundation, have said they will donate $226 million as well. Apple CEO Tim Cook tweeted that Apple will donate to the rebuilding efforts, but did not specify how much.

Parisians and tourists from around the world had watched in horror Monday evening as flames ravaged the world famous roof, causing Notre Dame’s spire to collapse. After battling flames for nine hours into the night, firefighters were able to save the landmark’s main stone structure.

The tragedy comes during Holy Week, an important event for the Catholic Church with Easter days away.

Paris prosecutor Remy Heitz said the inquiry into the fire would be "long and complex." Fifty investigators were working on it and would interview workers from five companies hired for the renovations to the cathedral's roof, where the flames first broke out.

Heitz said an initial fire alert was sounded at 6:20 p.m. Monday but no fire was found. The second alert was sounded at 6:43 p.m., and the blaze was discovered on the roof.

Notre Dame, the most famous Gothic cathedral from the Middle Ages, was built over a nearly 200-year span beginning in 1163 under King Louis VII. A tourist destination known for its spectacular stained-glass windows, the church has survived the French Revolution, World World I and the Nazi occupation of France during World War II.

Its many celebrated moments include the crowning of Henry VI in 1431 and the crowning of Napoleon as emperor in 1804 after he had helped save the cathedral from possible demolition.

Despite light drizzle and cloudy-gray skies, there was a sense of relief Tuesday on the streets of Paris with thoughts shifting from sorrow to action — examining what needs to be done to restore the jewel of medieval Gothic architecture.

“You can still see that the statue of the Virgin Mary is still standing,” said Catherine Oudot, 63, gesturing toward the facade of the cathedral. “It’s a relief to know that it survived. Notre Dame isn’t just a Christian landmark or a cultural landmark. It’s an absolute symbol for us, for France."

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Oudet, who lives near the Eiffel Tower, was at home when she heard the fire had started.

“I saw photos and images on TV of smoke bellowing out of the cathedral. I was in shock," Oudet said. "I couldn’t believe it. How does this happen in the 21st Century with all the technology we have: smoke alarms, fire alarms? I’m struggling to understand it.”

Paris prosecutor Remy Heitz said there’s no evidence of arson in blaze and that they believe it was an accident. The inferno could be linked to the $6.8 million renovation project underway. Heitz said the investigation will be “long and complex,” and that 50 investigators are involved in the probe. 

Workers from five companies that had been hired to work on renovations to the cathedral’s roof will be interviewed, Heitz said.
People stop to see and photograph the Notre Dame cathedral after the fire in Paris, Tuesday, April 16, 2019. Experts are assessing the blackened shell of Paris' iconic Notre Dame cathedral to establish next steps to save what remains after a devastating fire destroyed much of the almost 900-year-old building. With the fire that broke out Monday evening and quickly consumed the cathedral now under control, attention is turning to ensuring the structural integrity of the remaining building.

People stop to see and photograph the Notre Dame cathedral after the fire in Paris, Tuesday, April 16, 2019. Experts are assessing the blackened shell of Paris' iconic Notre Dame cathedral to establish next steps to save what remains after a devastating fire destroyed much of the almost 900-year-old building. With the fire that broke out Monday evening and quickly consumed the cathedral now under control, attention is turning to ensuring the structural integrity of the remaining building. (Photo: Kamil Zihnioglu, AP)

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White House Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said President Donald Trump offered his condolences to Macron on Tuesday morning on behalf of the American people. 

"We stand with France today and offer our assistance in the rehabilitation of this irreplaceable symbol of Western civilization. Vive la France!" she said in a statement.

The Vatican said Pope Francis was "praying for French Catholics and for the people of Paris in face of the terrible fire which has ravaged Notre-Dame cathedral,” the Agence France-Presse news agency reported.

Britain's Queen Elizabeth II said in a message to Macron: "My thoughts and prayers are with those who worship at the Cathedral and all of France at this difficult time."

The 12th-century cathedral is one of the world’s most famous tourist attractions, immortalized by Victor Hugo’s 1831 novel “The Hunchback of Notre Dame” and visited by more than 13 million people a year.

The blaze collapsed the cathedral’s spire and spread to one of its rectangular towers in a spectacle watched by throngs of spectators. Paris Fire Chief Jean-Claude Gallet said the church’s main structure had been saved after firefighters prevented the flames from spreading to the northern belfry. "Two-thirds of the roofing has been ravaged," Gallet said.

All bridges surrounding Notre Dame cathedral in Paris are blocked by police, the AP reports. But tourists and Parisians have continued to cluster closely to the fire-scarred monument, which sits in the middle of an island – the Ile de la Cite – on the Seine River.

Emmanuel Gregoire, the deputy mayor of Paris, told BFMTV on Tuesday that he felt  “enormous relief” at salvaging prized pieces such as the purported Crown of Thorns, which many believe was worn by Jesus Christ.

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Tuesday's good news was a dramatic shift from earlier Monday when officials predicted the structure would burn to the ground.  “Everything is burning. Nothing will remain from the frame,” Notre Dame spokesman Andre Finot had told French media.

Alain Juppe, France’s former prime minister, who went inside Notre Dame Tuesday morning to review the damage, said he was impressed with the solidarity that people inside and outside France were showing toward the country.

“We need to save her,” Juppe said, calling it a "miracle" that many of the artifacts and historic treasures appear to have been preserved.

Thibault Verny, Paris’ deputy bishop, told USA TODAY that he was feeling “very sad” about what happened but it was a “great moment” for the country to come together.

“On (Easter) Sunday we will celebrate the resurrection," he said as he walked across the main square in front of the cathedral. "My message will be one of hope and that we need to push ahead.”

Contributing: Jane Onyanga-Omara in London; the Associated Press

 
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Forget the Stone Cutters and the wooden beams.  They should rebuild with Chinese Steel and Basalt reinforced Concrete.  It will go faster and last longer.

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Notre Dame fire: Macron's vow to rebuild cathedral is unrealistic, experts warn


"It will certainly take years, perhaps even decades, until the last damage caused by this terrible fire will be completely repaired."

A damaged section of Notre Dame Cathedral.GONZALO FUENTES / Reuters

April 17, 2019, 2:08 AM AKDT / Updated April 17, 2019, 2:16 AM AKDT
By F. Brinley Bruton

Cathedrals often took more than a century to build in medieval times, a process that sometimes spanned the lives of several monarchs.

So French President Emmanuel Macron's pledge Tuesday to restore fire-devastated Notre Dame within five years was at odds with experts who predicted restoring the jewel of Gothic architecture would likely take much longer.
Restoration of Britain's York Minster gives hope to Notre Dame Cathedral
April 17, 201902:02

A host of specialized artisans and skilled workmen will need to be gathered from around France, and likely beyond. These include master stone-cutters, mortar makers, carpenters, roofers, quarrymen and sculptors.

Speaking before Macron's announcement, Emily Guerry, a professor of medieval history at England's University of Kent, anticipated restoration work on the 850-year-old icon would take around two decades.

“This will be the largest, most important cultural renovation project in France for some time to come,” she said, adding that the process would be “very delicate.”

Jean-Claude Bellanger, secretary-general of Les Compagnons du Devoir, an organization that provides training in manual trades, told Le Parisian newspaper that the niche nature of the work would require an influx of new talent.

“We need to open some 100 places in our carpentry, stone-cutting and roofing sections,” he said, with at least 300 more skilled tradesmen also needing training.
Image: Debris within Notre Dame Cathedral
Debris within fire-ravaged Notre Dame Cathedral.Christophe Petit Tesson / Pool via AP

A decade is necessary to train some of the specialized workers required for such a project, Bellanger added.

Bertrand de Feydeau, vice president of preservation group Fondation du Patrimoine, told France Info radio that the 800-year-old roof that went up in flames was built with wood from forests that have all but disappeared.

It won't won’t be rebuilt precisely as it was before because "we don’t, at the moment, have trees on our territory of the size that were cut in the 13th century," he told The Associated Press.
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Notre Dame fire triggers alarm bells at other historic landmarks

Macron's promise was aimed at galvanizing a nation reeling after a blaze tore through the 12th-century landmark.

And with around $1 billion raised in donations for Notre Dames's reconstruction, Macron appeared confident it could be made whole again in time for the 2024 Paris Summer Olympics.

"We have so much to reconstruct," he said. "So yes, we will rebuild the Cathedral of Notre Dame more beautifully. And I would like it to be achieved in five years from now. We can do it. And we will mobilize."

But the timescale of similar projects suggests Macron might be focusing on optimism over realism.

The Gothic cathedral in Cologne, Germany, was badly damaged during World War II and work to repair it is ongoing more than 70 years later.
Image: Cologne Cathedral and the Hohenzollern railway bridge
Cologne Cathedral is a UNESCO World Heritage Site.Wolfgang Rattay / Reuters, file

"This is certainly a tragedy with a European dimension, because the Gothic style was invented in France,” Peter Fuessenich, who is leading the reconstruction in Cologne, told the AP. "It will certainly take years, perhaps even decades, until the last damage caused by this terrible fire will be completely repaired.”

Pierluigi Pericolo, who is in charge of restoration and security at the St. Donatian basilica in the French city of Nantes, said it could take two to five years just to secure and stabilize Notre Dame, given its size.

"It's a fundamental step, and very complex, because it's difficult to send workers into a monument whose vaulted ceilings are swollen with water," he said on France Info. "The end of the fire doesn't mean the edifice is totally saved. The stone can deteriorate when it is exposed to high temperatures and change its mineral composition and fracture inside."
New fears that Notre Dame cathedral may collapse as Paris mourns historic landmark
April 16, 201903:12

Historians and experts in medieval architecture tried to assuage worries around the world about the future of Notre Dame, saying that such disasters were natural in the lifespan of such buildings.

Sara Uckelman, a professor at Britain’s Durham University, pointed out that the cathedral has endured sieges and two world wars.

“I'm finding that my background and training as a medievalist means I'm, overall, finding it a lot less devastating than many people,” she wrote in a Facebook post. “I know how churches live. They are not static monuments to the past. They are built, they get burned, they are rebuilt, they are extended, they get ransacked, they get rebuilt, they collapse because they were not built well, they get rebuilt, they get extended, they get renovated, they get bombed, they get rebuilt."

Uckelman added: “It is the continuous presence, not the original structure, that matters."
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Forget the Stone Cutters and the wooden beams.  They should rebuild with Chinese Steel and Basalt reinforced Concrete.  It will go faster and last longer.

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Notre Dame fire: Macron's vow to rebuild cathedral is unrealistic, experts warn


"It will certainly take years, perhaps even decades, until the last damage caused by this terrible fire will be completely repaired."

A damaged section of Notre Dame Cathedral.GONZALO FUENTES / Reuters

April 17, 2019, 2:08 AM AKDT / Updated April 17, 2019, 2:16 AM AKDT
By F. Brinley Bruton

Cathedrals often took more than a century to build in medieval times, a process that sometimes spanned the lives of several monarchs.

So French President Emmanuel Macron's pledge Tuesday to restore fire-devastated Notre Dame within five years was at odds with experts who predicted restoring the jewel of Gothic architecture would likely take much longer.
Restoration of Britain's York Minster gives hope to Notre Dame Cathedral
April 17, 201902:02

A host of specialized artisans and skilled workmen will need to be gathered from around France, and likely beyond. These include master stone-cutters, mortar makers, carpenters, roofers, quarrymen and sculptors.

Speaking before Macron's announcement, Emily Guerry, a professor of medieval history at England's University of Kent, anticipated restoration work on the 850-year-old icon would take around two decades.

“This will be the largest, most important cultural renovation project in France for some time to come,” she said, adding that the process would be “very delicate.”

Jean-Claude Bellanger, secretary-general of Les Compagnons du Devoir, an organization that provides training in manual trades, told Le Parisian newspaper that the niche nature of the work would require an influx of new talent.

“We need to open some 100 places in our carpentry, stone-cutting and roofing sections,” he said, with at least 300 more skilled tradesmen also needing training.
Image: Debris within Notre Dame Cathedral
Debris within fire-ravaged Notre Dame Cathedral.Christophe Petit Tesson / Pool via AP

A decade is necessary to train some of the specialized workers required for such a project, Bellanger added.

Bertrand de Feydeau, vice president of preservation group Fondation du Patrimoine, told France Info radio that the 800-year-old roof that went up in flames was built with wood from forests that have all but disappeared.

It won't won’t be rebuilt precisely as it was before because "we don’t, at the moment, have trees on our territory of the size that were cut in the 13th century," he told The Associated Press.
Related
World news
Notre Dame fire triggers alarm bells at other historic landmarks

Macron's promise was aimed at galvanizing a nation reeling after a blaze tore through the 12th-century landmark.

And with around $1 billion raised in donations for Notre Dames's reconstruction, Macron appeared confident it could be made whole again in time for the 2024 Paris Summer Olympics.

"We have so much to reconstruct," he said. "So yes, we will rebuild the Cathedral of Notre Dame more beautifully. And I would like it to be achieved in five years from now. We can do it. And we will mobilize."

But the timescale of similar projects suggests Macron might be focusing on optimism over realism.

The Gothic cathedral in Cologne, Germany, was badly damaged during World War II and work to repair it is ongoing more than 70 years later.
Image: Cologne Cathedral and the Hohenzollern railway bridge
Cologne Cathedral is a UNESCO World Heritage Site.Wolfgang Rattay / Reuters, file

"This is certainly a tragedy with a European dimension, because the Gothic style was invented in France,” Peter Fuessenich, who is leading the reconstruction in Cologne, told the AP. "It will certainly take years, perhaps even decades, until the last damage caused by this terrible fire will be completely repaired.”

Pierluigi Pericolo, who is in charge of restoration and security at the St. Donatian basilica in the French city of Nantes, said it could take two to five years just to secure and stabilize Notre Dame, given its size.

"It's a fundamental step, and very complex, because it's difficult to send workers into a monument whose vaulted ceilings are swollen with water," he said on France Info. "The end of the fire doesn't mean the edifice is totally saved. The stone can deteriorate when it is exposed to high temperatures and change its mineral composition and fracture inside."
New fears that Notre Dame cathedral may collapse as Paris mourns historic landmark
April 16, 201903:12

Historians and experts in medieval architecture tried to assuage worries around the world about the future of Notre Dame, saying that such disasters were natural in the lifespan of such buildings.

Sara Uckelman, a professor at Britain’s Durham University, pointed out that the cathedral has endured sieges and two world wars.

“I'm finding that my background and training as a medievalist means I'm, overall, finding it a lot less devastating than many people,” she wrote in a Facebook post. “I know how churches live. They are not static monuments to the past. They are built, they get burned, they are rebuilt, they are extended, they get ransacked, they get rebuilt, they collapse because they were not built well, they get rebuilt, they get extended, they get renovated, they get bombed, they get rebuilt."

Uckelman added: “It is the continuous presence, not the original structure, that matters."


Plexiglass roof, McPlastic burgers & Starbucks  :coffee: We won't recognize the place.

Funny how those monks threw that baby up in their spare time between hand writing copies of the bible  back in the day.
Some real tech savvy cats back in the dark ages  :icon_scratch:

 
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Plexiglass roof, McPlastic burgers & Starbucks  :coffee: We won't recognize the place.

Funny how those monks threw that baby up in their spare time between hand writing copies of the bible  back in the day.
Some real tech savvy cats back in the dark ages  :icon_scratch:

They can 3D Print it and make a perfect duplicate from all the photos.  It would be indistinguishable from the ante-Fire era, just with more fire resistant materials and a good Sprinkler System.

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Plexiglass roof, McPlastic burgers & Starbucks  :coffee: We won't recognize the place.

Funny how those monks threw that baby up in their spare time between hand writing copies of the bible  back in the day.
Some real tech savvy cats back in the dark ages  :icon_scratch:

They can 3D Print it and make a perfect duplicate from all the photos.  It would be indistinguishable from the ante-Fire era, just with more fire resistant materials and a good Sprinkler System.

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Your on glue .........

Show me a god-damn 3D printer that can hustle up white granite structures !

Those structures of grandeur can't be replaced TODAY. I don't care how many Elon Musks you put on the yob-site  :icon_scratch:
I know exactly what you mean. Let me tell you why you’re here. You’re here because you know something. What you know you can’t explain, but you feel it. You’ve felt it your entire life, that there’s something wrong with the world.
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Plexiglass roof, McPlastic burgers & Starbucks  :coffee: We won't recognize the place.

Funny how those monks threw that baby up in their spare time between hand writing copies of the bible  back in the day.
Some real tech savvy cats back in the dark ages  :icon_scratch:

They can 3D Print it and make a perfect duplicate from all the photos.  It would be indistinguishable from the ante-Fire era, just with more fire resistant materials and a good Sprinkler System.

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Your on glue .........

Show me a god-damn 3D printer that can hustle up white granite structures !

Those structures of grandeur can't be replaced TODAY. I don't care how many Elon Musks you put on the yob-site  :icon_scratch:

You don't use white granite, silly goose.  You use basalt rebar reinforced concrete.  Better structural strength and you can dye and finish the concrete any color or texture you would like.  A lot faster than having stone masons carve granite rocks too.  It will look exactly the same in all the tourist photos, but be more resilient.

What happened here?  You're the one who is always touting techno-solutions.  You think Elon Musk can build a colony on Mars but you can't duplicate (visually) Notre Dame using modern building methods?

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Plexiglass roof, McPlastic burgers & Starbucks  :coffee: We won't recognize the place.

Funny how those monks threw that baby up in their spare time between hand writing copies of the bible  back in the day.
Some real tech savvy cats back in the dark ages  :icon_scratch:

They can 3D Print it and make a perfect duplicate from all the photos.  It would be indistinguishable from the ante-Fire era, just with more fire resistant materials and a good Sprinkler System.

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Your on glue .........

Show me a god-damn 3D printer that can hustle up white granite structures !

Those structures of grandeur can't be replaced TODAY. I don't care how many Elon Musks you put on the yob-site  :icon_scratch:

You don't use white granite, silly goose.  You use basalt rebar reinforced concrete.  Better structural strength and you can dye and finish the concrete any color or texture you would like.  A lot faster than having stone masons carve granite rocks too.  It will look exactly the same in all the tourist photos, but be more resilient.

What happened here?  You're the one who is always touting techno-solutions.  You think Elon Musk can build a colony on Mars but you can't duplicate (visually) Notre Dame using modern building methods?

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Your still on glue .......

You're stating basalt with-stands the sands of time better than white granite. White granite strengthens over time, basalt erodes.
Evidentially, the original copper roof was removed in the past & the current material, possibly 4X8 sheets of glued lam board was in place.

You may want to see the shit job  the vatican did on the Coliseum after its unfortunate demise in the past.

Basically, for the last 384 years there has been an on-slaught of destruction against these antique-tech structures. Very sad indeed.

I know exactly what you mean. Let me tell you why you’re here. You’re here because you know something. What you know you can’t explain, but you feel it. You’ve felt it your entire life, that there’s something wrong with the world.
You don’t know what it is but its there, like a splinter in your mind

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Plexiglass roof, McPlastic burgers & Starbucks  :coffee: We won't recognize the place.

Funny how those monks threw that baby up in their spare time between hand writing copies of the bible  back in the day.
Some real tech savvy cats back in the dark ages  :icon_scratch:

They can 3D Print it and make a perfect duplicate from all the photos.  It would be indistinguishable from the ante-Fire era, just with more fire resistant materials and a good Sprinkler System.

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Your on glue .........

Show me a god-damn 3D printer that can hustle up white granite structures !

Those structures of grandeur can't be replaced TODAY. I don't care how many Elon Musks you put on the yob-site  :icon_scratch:

You don't use white granite, silly goose.  You use basalt rebar reinforced concrete.  Better structural strength and you can dye and finish the concrete any color or texture you would like.  A lot faster than having stone masons carve granite rocks too.  It will look exactly the same in all the tourist photos, but be more resilient.

What happened here?  You're the one who is always touting techno-solutions.  You think Elon Musk can build a colony on Mars but you can't duplicate (visually) Notre Dame using modern building methods?

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Your still on glue .......

You're stating basalt with-stands the sands of time better than white granite. White granite strengthens over time, basalt erodes.
Evidentially, the original copper roof was removed in the past & the current material, possibly 4X8 sheets of glued lam board was in place.

You may want to see the shit job  the vatican did on the Coliseum after its unfortunate demise in the past.

Basically, for the last 384 years there has been an on-slaught of destruction against these antique-tech structures. Very sad indeed.

The basalt is INSIDE the concrete.  It doesn't erode.  The concrete itself lasts a very long time.  The Parthenon has been around longer than Notre Dame.  Stop drinking the anti-freeze and move into the real world and out of 5th Dimensional la-la land.


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Plexiglass roof, McPlastic burgers & Starbucks  :coffee: We won't recognize the place.

Funny how those monks threw that baby up in their spare time between hand writing copies of the bible  back in the day.
Some real tech savvy cats back in the dark ages  :icon_scratch:

They can 3D Print it and make a perfect duplicate from all the photos.  It would be indistinguishable from the ante-Fire era, just with more fire resistant materials and a good Sprinkler System.

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Your on glue .........

Show me a god-damn 3D printer that can hustle up white granite structures !

Those structures of grandeur can't be replaced TODAY. I don't care how many Elon Musks you put on the yob-site  :icon_scratch:

You don't use white granite, silly goose.  You use basalt rebar reinforced concrete.  Better structural strength and you can dye and finish the concrete any color or texture you would like.  A lot faster than having stone masons carve granite rocks too.  It will look exactly the same in all the tourist photos, but be more resilient.

What happened here?  You're the one who is always touting techno-solutions.  You think Elon Musk can build a colony on Mars but you can't duplicate (visually) Notre Dame using modern building methods?

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Your still on glue .......

You're stating basalt with-stands the sands of time better than white granite. White granite strengthens over time, basalt erodes.
Evidentially, the original copper roof was removed in the past & the current material, possibly 4X8 sheets of glued lam board was in place.

You may want to see the shit job  the vatican did on the Coliseum after its unfortunate demise in the past.

Basically, for the last 384 years there has been an on-slaught of destruction against these antique-tech structures. Very sad indeed.

The basalt is INSIDE the concrete.  It doesn't erode.  The concrete itself lasts a very long time.  The Parthenon has been around longer than Notre Dame.  Stop drinking the anti-freeze and move into the real world and out of 5th Dimensional la-la land.


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The portland cement recipe has NEVA' never been exactly duplicated from back in the day. It's close but not exact. It erodes.....
Define a very long time.

Our U.S. capital building in da' swamp has stood longer than its dome. As we both know the dome was added during Lincoln's era.

The dome has just recently received its 1st face  lift in less than 160 years after construction. The Capitol building needed no restoration.

These old giant white granite structures are simply enormous LEGOS. If Basalt doesn't erode than why wasn't it chosen over white granite.

There are no quarries to support the builds of these antique mega - structures.

No photos (except the Capitol Dome only) of these builds. Prior to photos there are no artistic renderings as well.





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The portland cement recipe has NEVA' never been exactly duplicated from back in the day. It's close but not exact. It erodes.....
Define a very long time.

Our U.S. capital building in da' swamp has stood longer than its dome. As we both know the dome was added during Lincoln's era.

The dome has just recently received its 1st face  lift in less than 160 years after construction. The Capitol building needed no restoration.

These old giant white granite structures are simply enormous LEGOS. If Basalt doesn't erode than why wasn't it chosen over white granite.

There are no quarries to support the builds of these antique mega - structures.

No photos (except the Capitol Dome only) of these builds. Prior to photos there are no artistic renderings as well.

As I recall, David South estimated his Monolithic Domes reinforced with Basalt Rebar would last at least 500 years.  That's a decent period of time between rebuilds.  Notre Dame has seen more rebuilds than that already.






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« Reply #238 on: April 18, 2019, 12:07:18 PM »
Nice looking love shacks. I think I've seen these structures on the way to Peach Springs off old Rt. 66.

The point I'm taking is "Do the Job RIGHT the 1st time. Repair & Replace per the blue prints - copper, steel, white granite.

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« Reply #239 on: April 18, 2019, 12:11:45 PM »
The best homo sushi has to offer in 2019 is half ass ....

Then why do you believe we can build interstellar starships and colonies on Mars? ???  :icon_scratch:

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