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Re: Doom Wears a Yellow Vest
« Reply #30 on: December 10, 2018, 06:55:27 AM »

Take out loans from who? I'm assuming the cost would be a significant % of GDP and giving out free EVs doesn't necessarily increase any tax receipts.

Oh good grief.  You issue bonds and then the central bank buys the bonds.  I never said it would increase them, just that you make projections that it will.

Haven't you got it yet that the whole game is a scam?  How do you think the fracking companies stay operational?  They float corporate bonds and the banks buy the bonds.  No reason Da Goobermint can't do the same thing to supply the people with EVs.

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The difference is, corporations can issue bonds by a decision of the board. For the government to issue bonds is a matter of policy, and while we can, as a matter of policy "afford" to issue gigantic tax giveaways to the donor class and corporations, we cannot "afford" to spend any money whatsoever to benefit J6P or other "useless eaters" without vacation homes and yachts.
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Re: Doom Wears a Yellow Vest
« Reply #31 on: December 10, 2018, 07:03:40 AM »

Take out loans from who? I'm assuming the cost would be a significant % of GDP and giving out free EVs doesn't necessarily increase any tax receipts.

Oh good grief.  You issue bonds and then the central bank buys the bonds.  I never said it would increase them, just that you make projections that it will.

Haven't you got it yet that the whole game is a scam?  How do you think the fracking companies stay operational?  They float corporate bonds and the banks buy the bonds.  No reason Da Goobermint can't do the same thing to supply the people with EVs.

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The difference is, corporations can issue bonds by a decision of the board. For the government to issue bonds is a matter of policy, and while we can, as a matter of policy "afford" to issue gigantic tax giveaways to the donor class and corporations, we cannot "afford" to spend any money whatsoever to benefit J6P or other "useless eaters" without vacation homes and yachts.

Well I know that, Silly Rabbit.  That is what the Yellow Vests seek to change of course.

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Re: Yellow Jackets? Its the EROEI, stupid
« Reply #32 on: December 10, 2018, 07:07:26 AM »
I generally stay out of the political discussions but I thought I would share this from TYT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2tgIlEhOZE

Good video!  :emthup:

Here's the Embed.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/T2tgIlEhOZE" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/T2tgIlEhOZE</a>

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I had been avoiding this subject. More important things to do while preparing for Climate Chaos, Resource Depletion, Economic Contraction and Social Destabilization.

I had just hoped this wasnt another Ukraine

But my subconscious was bugging me each time I scrolled past these riots without reading. Thing is, my subconscious is often worth listening to as it is working out stuff Im not thinking about.

While all of us argue about politics,  I think we are missing the real issue here. Then it dawned on me.

All of what we are witnessing is the result of declining EROEI. No one else is mentioning that. Lower EROEI, everyone gets poorer, BAU ceases to function. First on the peripheries (Rural Poor) then towards the center (Cities and Rulers)

What I am pointing out is that the Left Right narrative is irrelevant.   If it is an EROEI narrative....

... Then it means that this is coming to Every city and Every nation in the world, in its turn. This is what collapse looks like.

I guess THAT is what my subconscious was trying to point out.


On a prepper note, not only is it good to stay out of cities and not to get riled up when you cant afford something anymore, but also to pay attention to that each country will eventually go to the most riled up. The most angry to the point of riot. Left or right? Doesnt matter. They are both subject to declining EROEI... and nothing can stop the avalanche.

And do you know what all this looks like to me? It looks like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9n29c-q3_8Q

Your subconscious is telling you things we have been telling each other on the Diner for years.

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Re: Doom Wears a Yellow Vest
« Reply #33 on: December 10, 2018, 08:34:20 AM »

Take out loans from who? I'm assuming the cost would be a significant % of GDP and giving out free EVs doesn't necessarily increase any tax receipts.

Oh good grief.  You issue bonds and then the central bank buys the bonds.  I never said it would increase them, just that you make projections that it will.

Haven't you got it yet that the whole game is a scam?  How do you think the fracking companies stay operational?  They float corporate bonds and the banks buy the bonds.  No reason Da Goobermint can't do the same thing to supply the people with EVs.

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In the EU the central bank means the ECB. How do you think Germany and other creditor states will feel about that? Especially if they are fed some nonsense about paying it back with future tax receipts? All of these countries have budgets to meet and debt payments are theoretically a part of that budget. Which means they will have to cut spending on other social benefits for the working class.

I'm just trying to work through the complexity here. There is always a price to pay and there are always unintended consequences. It's not as simple as buy everyone EVs and the working classes of Europe stay fed and happy.

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Yellow Jackets? Its the EROEI, stupid
« Reply #34 on: December 10, 2018, 08:59:32 AM »
I generally stay out of the political discussions but I thought I would share this from TYT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2tgIlEhOZE

Good video!  :emthup:

Here's the Embed.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/T2tgIlEhOZE" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/T2tgIlEhOZE</a>

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I had been avoiding this subject. More important things to do while preparing for Climate Chaos, Resource Depletion, Economic Contraction and Social Destabilization.

I had just hoped this wasnt another Ukraine

But my subconscious was bugging me each time I scrolled past these riots without reading. Thing is, my subconscious is often worth listening to as it is working out stuff Im not thinking about.

While all of us argue about politics,  I think we are missing the real issue here. Then it dawned on me.

All of what we are witnessing is the result of declining EROEI. No one else is mentioning that. Lower EROEI, everyone gets poorer, BAU ceases to function. First on the peripheries (Rural Poor) then towards the center (Cities and Rulers)

What I am pointing out is that the Left Right narrative is irrelevant.   If it is an EROEI narrative....

... Then it means that this is coming to Every city and Every nation in the world, in its turn. This is what collapse looks like.

I guess THAT is what my subconscious was trying to point out.


On a prepper note, not only is it good to stay out of cities and not to get riled up when you cant afford something anymore, but also to pay attention to that each country will eventually go to the most riled up. The most angry to the point of riot. Left or right? Doesnt matter. They are both subject to declining EROEI... and nothing can stop the avalanche.

And do you know what all this looks like to me? It looks like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9n29c-q3_8Q

All of what we are witnessing is the result of declining EROEI.  Yes, nobody mentions it because we all already know it.  Politics has been a part of Doom since Doom first became an issue.  Falling EROEI will eliminate profits which capitalism depends on.  The only system less equipped to deal with doom is fascism.

I'm hoping Ashvin is through ranting about the energy tax spin.  He must believe in Santa too.  He was the only one who believed that nonsense for more than ten seconds.
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Re: Yellow Jackets? Its the EROEI, stupid
« Reply #35 on: December 10, 2018, 09:08:13 AM »
I generally stay out of the political discussions but I thought I would share this from TYT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2tgIlEhOZE

Good video!  :emthup:

Here's the Embed.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/T2tgIlEhOZE" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/T2tgIlEhOZE</a>

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I had been avoiding this subject. More important things to do while preparing for Climate Chaos, Resource Depletion, Economic Contraction and Social Destabilization.

I had just hoped this wasnt another Ukraine

But my subconscious was bugging me each time I scrolled past these riots without reading. Thing is, my subconscious is often worth listening to as it is working out stuff Im not thinking about.

While all of us argue about politics,  I think we are missing the real issue here. Then it dawned on me.

All of what we are witnessing is the result of declining EROEI. No one else is mentioning that. Lower EROEI, everyone gets poorer, BAU ceases to function. First on the peripheries (Rural Poor) then towards the center (Cities and Rulers)

What I am pointing out is that the Left Right narrative is irrelevant.   If it is an EROEI narrative....

... Then it means that this is coming to Every city and Every nation in the world, in its turn. This is what collapse looks like.

I guess THAT is what my subconscious was trying to point out.


On a prepper note, not only is it good to stay out of cities and not to get riled up when you cant afford something anymore, but also to pay attention to that each country will eventually go to the most riled up. The most angry to the point of riot. Left or right? Doesnt matter. They are both subject to declining EROEI... and nothing can stop the avalanche.

And do you know what all this looks like to me? It looks like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9n29c-q3_8Q

Your subconscious is telling you things we have been telling each other on the Diner for years.

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I think i am going torepost this on my blog as my shortest article ever

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Re: Yellow Jackets? Its the EROEI, stupid
« Reply #36 on: December 10, 2018, 09:31:03 AM »
I generally stay out of the political discussions but I thought I would share this from TYT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2tgIlEhOZE

Good video!  :emthup:

Here's the Embed.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/T2tgIlEhOZE" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/T2tgIlEhOZE</a>

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I had been avoiding this subject. More important things to do while preparing for Climate Chaos, Resource Depletion, Economic Contraction and Social Destabilization.

I had just hoped this wasnt another Ukraine

But my subconscious was bugging me each time I scrolled past these riots without reading. Thing is, my subconscious is often worth listening to as it is working out stuff Im not thinking about.

While all of us argue about politics,  I think we are missing the real issue here. Then it dawned on me.

All of what we are witnessing is the result of declining EROEI. No one else is mentioning that. Lower EROEI, everyone gets poorer, BAU ceases to function. First on the peripheries (Rural Poor) then towards the center (Cities and Rulers)

What I am pointing out is that the Left Right narrative is irrelevant.   If it is an EROEI narrative....

... Then it means that this is coming to Every city and Every nation in the world, in its turn. This is what collapse looks like.

I guess THAT is what my subconscious was trying to point out.


On a prepper note, not only is it good to stay out of cities and not to get riled up when you cant afford something anymore, but also to pay attention to that each country will eventually go to the most riled up. The most angry to the point of riot. Left or right? Doesnt matter. They are both subject to declining EROEI... and nothing can stop the avalanche.

And do you know what all this looks like to me? It looks like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9n29c-q3_8Q

 If you except the premise that money is really a proxy for energy, all the pieces fall together. There is another article floating out there about the riots in France being a possible preview of ďAmerican Civil Warď. I donít know about that, but itís food for thought.

Your subconscious is telling you things we have been telling each other on the Diner for years.

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I think i am going torepost this on my blog as my shortest article ever
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Re: Doom Wears a Yellow Vest
« Reply #37 on: December 10, 2018, 09:51:45 AM »

Take out loans from who? I'm assuming the cost would be a significant % of GDP and giving out free EVs doesn't necessarily increase any tax receipts.

Oh good grief.  You issue bonds and then the central bank buys the bonds.  I never said it would increase them, just that you make projections that it will.

Haven't you got it yet that the whole game is a scam?  How do you think the fracking companies stay operational?  They float corporate bonds and the banks buy the bonds.  No reason Da Goobermint can't do the same thing to supply the people with EVs.

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In the EU the central bank means the ECB. How do you think Germany and other creditor states will feel about that? Especially if they are fed some nonsense about paying it back with future tax receipts? All of these countries have budgets to meet and debt payments are theoretically a part of that budget. Which means they will have to cut spending on other social benefits for the working class.

The ECB buys this line when they make new loans to Greece to keep them floating.  But regardless, you simply have the French Central Bank issue the Euros to buy the bonds with, regardless what the ECB says.    Or you pull out of the EU and issue Francs to do it.  Think creatively there chief.

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Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
« Reply #38 on: December 10, 2018, 10:04:53 AM »
Done. Its up and posted after some minor tweeking.

https://darkgreenmountainsurvivalresearchcentre.wordpress.com/2018/12/10/doom-wares-a-yellow-vest-its-the-declining-e-r-o-e-i-stupid/

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Re: Yellow Jackets? Its the EROEI, stupid
« Reply #39 on: December 10, 2018, 10:18:32 AM »
I'm hoping Ashvin is through ranting about the energy tax spin.  He must believe in Santa too.  He was the only one who believed that nonsense for more than ten seconds.

I'm hoping you read more carefully. I said it doesn't matter to the people what the tax is for, what matters is how much money they have left in their pockets.

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Re: Yellow Jackets? Its the EROEI, stupid
« Reply #40 on: December 10, 2018, 10:29:55 AM »
I generally stay out of the political discussions but I thought I would share this from TYT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2tgIlEhOZE

Good video!  :emthup:

Here's the Embed.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/T2tgIlEhOZE" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/T2tgIlEhOZE</a>

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I had been avoiding this subject. More important things to do while preparing for Climate Chaos, Resource Depletion, Economic Contraction and Social Destabilization.

I had just hoped this wasnt another Ukraine

But my subconscious was bugging me each time I scrolled past these riots without reading. Thing is, my subconscious is often worth listening to as it is working out stuff Im not thinking about.

While all of us argue about politics,  I think we are missing the real issue here. Then it dawned on me.

All of what we are witnessing is the result of declining EROEI. No one else is mentioning that. Lower EROEI, everyone gets poorer, BAU ceases to function. First on the peripheries (Rural Poor) then towards the center (Cities and Rulers)

What I am pointing out is that the Left Right narrative is irrelevant.   If it is an EROEI narrative....

... Then it means that this is coming to Every city and Every nation in the world, in its turn. This is what collapse looks like.

I guess THAT is what my subconscious was trying to point out.


On a prepper note, not only is it good to stay out of cities and not to get riled up when you cant afford something anymore, but also to pay attention to that each country will eventually go to the most riled up. The most angry to the point of riot. Left or right? Doesnt matter. They are both subject to declining EROEI... and nothing can stop the avalanche.

And do you know what all this looks like to me? It looks like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9n29c-q3_8Q

All of what we are witnessing is the result of declining EROEI.  Yes, nobody mentions it because we all already know it.  Politics has been a part of Doom since Doom first became an issue.  Falling EROEI will eliminate profits which capitalism depends on.  The only system less equipped to deal with doom is fascism.

I'm hoping Ashvin is through ranting about the energy tax spin.  He must believe in Santa too.  He was the only one who believed that nonsense for more than ten seconds.

Lost track of the thread, but wanted to say thanks for posting the Colin Campbell letter. I think we all get what PO is, and how it works. I agree with his take, and the take that the France protests are rooted in declining EROEI.

Ashvin is a PO expert, actually. He probably understands it as well or better than anyone who posts on the Diner. I was reading his stuff about PO before I came here, many years ago now. But like me, he has adjusted his views about the speed of the process and the exact series of events that will play out.

I believe this to be true anyway. I can't speak for him, but I don't like seeing him described as ignorant. I know that to be incorrect.
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Re: Yellow Jackets? Its the EROEI, stupid
« Reply #41 on: December 10, 2018, 10:40:18 AM »
Ashvin is a PO expert, actually. He probably understands it as well or better than anyone who posts on the Diner. I was reading his stuff about PO before I came here, many years ago now. But like me, he has adjusted his views about the speed of the process and the exact series of events that will play out.

I believe this to be true anyway. I can't speak for him, but I don't like seeing him described as ignorant. I know that to be incorrect.

Watson is willfully ignorant.  He rejects that which he knows for ideological reasons.  He repudiated all his ideas from the old days you remember reading his stuff from.  He even asked me to delete them from the Diner.  I refused, of course.  :icon_sunny:

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Re: French Fried Frog Frexit
« Reply #42 on: December 10, 2018, 12:06:52 PM »
Done. Its up and posted after some minor tweeking.

https://darkgreenmountainsurvivalresearchcentre.wordpress.com/2018/12/10/doom-wares-a-yellow-vest-its-the-declining-e-r-o-e-i-stupid/


Great article C5.

One concept not mentioned that's new to urban insurrection & warfare are DEW weapons.
They've been used in Europe, Greece actually. Those Greek fires a few months back were DEW lit.

If shit gets to out of hand, guaranteed, you'll see em' used. Hope you like your frog legs microwaved & then charred.
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Yellow Jackets? Its the EROEI, stupid
« Reply #43 on: December 10, 2018, 07:45:27 PM »
Ashvin is a PO expert, actually. He probably understands it as well or better than anyone who posts on the Diner. I was reading his stuff about PO before I came here, many years ago now. But like me, he has adjusted his views about the speed of the process and the exact series of events that will play out.

I believe this to be true anyway. I can't speak for him, but I don't like seeing him described as ignorant. I know that to be incorrect.

Watson is willfully ignorant.  He rejects that which he knows for ideological reasons.  He repudiated all his ideas from the old days you remember reading his stuff from.  He even asked me to delete them from the Diner.  I refused, of course.  :icon_sunny:

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When politicians actually have our best interest in mind it will be obvious.  Night will become day and day will become night.  Everything else is green-washing and indulging in any discussion which promotes a green spin, where, as in this situation; the French tax obviously has nothing to do with the environment.  Promotes propaganda.  If what Ashvin says were true about what matters is how much money they have left in their pockets then why talk about the bullshit green veneer at all?  If money in pockets is the right spin, spit it out.

My thoughts are the tax hit people hard enough so they are worried about getting the basic necessities of life.

I'll not let the truth get pissed on.
« Last Edit: December 10, 2018, 08:20:58 PM by K-Dog »
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« Reply #44 on: December 10, 2018, 08:17:40 PM »
Done. Its up and posted after some minor tweeking.

https://darkgreenmountainsurvivalresearchcentre.wordpress.com/2018/12/10/doom-wares-a-yellow-vest-its-the-declining-e-r-o-e-i-stupid/

Good job.

Splitting hairs you realize that the right/left dichotomy of conventional politics loses a lot of meaning when EROEI is considered.  But going forward will resource restrictions be shared by all (a left point of view), or will the attitude be taken that a small minority continues to prosper while the rest of us become slaves to keep the fire of their minority culture burning while this minority live like gods (a right point of view).

To be clear where I stand moving towards equality promotes knowledge and understanding of the environment/resource depletion issue and this results in the best outcome.  Promoting inequity as the natural order of things will promote ignorance and this will lead to the dark and most miserable outcome possible.



We don't want this but this is the direction in which things are flowing.  Trump is sufficient proof.  In the French past five years after Robespierre came Napoleon.  If the yellow bees get control and if history is the guide.  Their reign will be brief.

True equality is of course impossible, but trying to achieve it is noble.
« Last Edit: December 10, 2018, 08:21:43 PM by K-Dog »
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