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« Reply #180 on: January 29, 2017, 07:30:33 PM »
By a 'free and open society' It appears the Koch brothers want the country free of Americans and inhabited by the cheapest workers they can bring over.

A country FREE for Billionaires to Rape & Pillage!

They're just pissed off The Donald is currently winning the Billionaire vs Billionaire war and his companies are getting the best perks.


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« Reply #181 on: January 29, 2017, 08:40:57 PM »
Trumpty Dumpty is trying to rule by Fiat, the same way a CEO of a company would.  He expects all his Orders will be followed without question.  Da Goobermint doesn't quite work that way.

Problem of course is all the problems within his own party he is creating.  Even Repugnants are not happy with how he pulled this stunt.

Now he is engaging in Twitshit Napalm contests with guys like John McCain and Mitch McConell.  The Koch Borthers are mad at him too!  :o

If he keeps this up, he'll be LUCKY to just get Impeached!

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Travelers Stranded and Protests Swell Over Trump Order

By PETER BAKERJAN. 29, 2017

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Reince Priebus, the White House chief of staff, said on CBS’s “Face the Nation” that President Trump’s executive order could potentially be expanded to include more than seven countries. By REUTERS. Photo by Jim Lo Scalzo/European Pressphoto Agency. Watch in Times Video »

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WASHINGTON — Travelers were stranded around the world, protests escalated in the United States and anxiety rose within President Trump’s party on Sunday as his order closing the nation to refugees and people from certain predominantly Muslim countries provoked a crisis just days into his administration.

The White House pulled back on part of Mr. Trump’s temporary ban on visitors from seven countries by saying that it would not apply to those with green cards granting them permanent residence in the United States. By the end of the day, the Department of Homeland Security formally issued an order declaring legal residents exempt from the order.

But the recalibration did little to reassure critics at home or abroad who saw the president’s order as a retreat from traditional American values. European leaders denounced the order, and some Republican lawmakers called on Mr. Trump to back down. It was not clear how many were still being detained at American airports or how many others were now blocked from getting on airplanes in the first place.

More than any of the myriad moves Mr. Trump has made in his frenetic opening days in office, the immigration order has quickly come to define his emerging presidency as one driven by a desire for decisive action even at the expense of deliberate process or coalition building. It has thrust the nine-day-old administration into its first constitutional conflict, as multiple courts have intervened to block aspects of the order, and into its broadest diplomatic incident, with overseas allies objecting.
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The White House was left to defend what seemed to many government veterans like a slapdash process. Aides to Mr. Trump insisted they had consulted for weeks with relevant officials, but the head of the customs and border service in the Obama administration, who resigned on inauguration day, said the incoming president’s team never talked with him about it.

White House officials blamed what they portrayed as a hyperventilating news media for the confusion and said the order had been successfully carried out. Only about 109 out of 325,000 travelers entering the United States over 24 hours were detained, they said, and as of Sunday afternoon, all 170 legal permanent residents who applied for a waiver were granted one. That did not count the many others who remain overseas now unable to travel.

Reince Priebus, the White House chief of staff, said Mr. Trump simply did what he had promised on the campaign trail and would not gamble with American lives. “We’re not willing to be wrong on this subject,” he said on “Face the Nation” on CBS. “President Trump is not willing to take chances on this subject.”

The order bars entry to refugees from anywhere in the world for 120 days and from Syria indefinitely. It blocks any visitors for 90 days from seven designated countries: Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen. The Department of Homeland Security initially said the order would bar green card holders from those seven countries from returning to the United States.

With thousands of protesters chanting outside his White House windows and thronging the streets of Washington and other cities, Mr. Trump late on Sunday defended his order. “To be clear, this is not a Muslim ban, as the media is falsely reporting,” he said in a written statement. “This is not about religion — this is about terror and keeping our country safe.”

He noted that the seven countries were identified by former President Barack Obama’s administration as sources of terrorism and that his order did not affect citizens from dozens of other predominantly Muslim countries. “We will again be issuing visas to all countries once we are sure we have reviewed and implemented the most secure policies over the next 90 days,” he said.

Mr. Trump expressed sympathy for victims of the long-running civil war in Syria. “I have tremendous feeling for the people involved in this horrific humanitarian crisis in Syria,” he said. “My first priority will always be to protect and serve our country, but as president, I will find ways to help all those who are suffering.”

While Mr. Trump denied that his action focused on religion, the first iteration of his plan during his presidential campaign was framed as a temporary ban on all Muslim visitors.

As late as Sunday morning, he made clear that his concern was for Christian refugees, and part of his order gives preferential treatment to Christians who try to enter the United States from majority-Muslim nations.

In a Twitter post on Sunday morning, Mr. Trump deplored the killing of Christians in the Middle East without noting the killings of Muslims, who have been killed in vastly greater numbers in Iraq, Syria and elsewhere.

“Christians in the Middle East have been executed in large numbers,” he wrote. “We cannot allow this horror to continue!”

His order, however, resulted in a second day of uncertainty at American airports. The American Civil Liberties Union said it was investigating reports that officials were not complying with court orders in New York, Boston, Seattle, Los Angeles and Chicago.

New York’s attorney general sent a letter to federal authorities demanding a list of all individuals detained at Kennedy International Airport. The Department of Homeland Security said Sunday evening that it was “in compliance with judicial orders.”

Still, at Dulles International Airport outside Washington, even the arrival of four Democratic members of Congress did not prompt customs officers to acknowledge whether they were holding anyone or provide lawyers access to anyone detained.
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The lawmakers arrived after 3 p.m. and were rebuffed by police officers when they tried to enter the Customs and Border Protection offices at the airport. Representative Gerry Connolly, Democrat of Virginia, said he was told to call the main office of the agency in Washington.

His staff got a legislative liaison from the customs service on the phone, and “they said we’ll put you in touch with the deputy commissioner,” according to Mr. Connolly.

“I said that’s not acceptable,” he said. “We want to talk to the person in charge of operations at Dulles Airport. That’s where the problem is, and that’s where the federal judicial ruling is applicable.”

The clash over the order provoked emotional responses. At a news conference, Senator Chuck Schumer, the Democratic minority leader from New York, choked up as he vowed to “claw, scrap and fight with every fiber of my being until these orders are overturned.”

The mayors of Dallas, Chicago and Boston spoke out as well. In Dallas, Mayor Mike Rawlings personally offered regrets to four released detainees at Dallas-Fort Worth Airport. “We have wished them welcome, and we have apologized from the depths of our heart,” he said.

The order roiled relations with America’s traditional allies in Europe and the Middle East. The spokesman for Chancellor Angela Merkel of Germany, who spoke with Mr. Trump by telephone on Saturday, said she reminded him of the obligation of the United States to take refugees under the Geneva Conventions.

Prime Minister Theresa May of Britain, who met with Mr. Trump in Washington on Friday and has sought to forge a friendship with him, initially declined to comment on the policy on Sunday when pressed by reporters during a stop in Turkey.

But under pressure from opposition politicians, her spokesman later said the British government did “not agree with this kind of approach.”

The matter was especially sensitive in Muslim countries, and Mr. Trump spoke by telephone on Sunday with King Salman of Saudi Arabia and Sheikh Mohammed bin Zayed Al Nahyan, the crown prince of Abu Dhabi. White House statements on the calls said they discussed the fight against terrorism but did not say whether they discussed the immigration order, which did not include their countries.

In Washington, protesters gathered by the thousands outside Mr. Trump’s front lawn to denounce his order and show solidarity with Muslim Americans.

“Shame,” they chanted, hoisting homemade signs toward the executive mansion, where Mr. Trump was scheduled to host a private screening of the movie “Finding Dory.”

“No hate, no fear,” they added later. “Refugees are welcome here.”

Security fencing and reviewing stands still in place from inauguration day prevented the crowd from getting more than a couple hundred yards away from the building, but did not stop crowds from swelling through the afternoon, when protesters departed to march to Capitol Hill.

Some Republicans grew increasingly alarmed by the backlash to the order. “This executive order sends a signal, intended or not, that America does not want Muslims coming into our country,” Senators John McCain of Arizona and Lindsey Graham of South Carolina said in a statement. “That is why we fear this executive order may do more to help terrorist recruitment than improve our security.”

Some conservative donors also criticized the decision. Officials with the political network overseen by Charles and David Koch, the billionaire conservative activists, released a statement on Sunday criticizing Mr. Trump’s handling of the issue.

“We believe it is possible to keep Americans safe without excluding people who wish to come here to contribute and pursue a better life for their families,” said Brian Hooks, co-chairman of the Kochs’ donor network. “The travel ban is the wrong approach and will likely be counterproductive.”

Senator Bob Corker, chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee, said the order was “poorly implemented” and urged the president to “make appropriate revisions.” Other Republicans were more circumspect. Senator Mitch McConnell, the Republican majority leader, said the issue would be decided by the courts.

Mr. Trump fired back at Mr. McCain and Mr. Graham on Twitter. “They are sadly weak on immigration,” he wrote. “Senators should focus their energies on ISIS, illegal immigration and border security instead of always looking to start World War III.”

Reporting was contributed by Michael D. Shear, Matthew Rosenberg, Nicholas Fandos, Ron Nixon, Charlie Savage and Eric Lipton from Washington, Liam Stack from New York, Alison Smale from Berlin, Steven Erlanger from London, and Alissa J. Rubin from Paris.
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Re: Travelers Stranded and Protests Swell Over Trump Order
« Reply #182 on: January 30, 2017, 12:34:29 AM »
Trumpty Dumpty is trying to rule by Fiat, the same way a CEO of a company would.  He expects all his Orders will be followed without question.  Da Goobermint doesn't quite work that way.

Problem of course is all the problems within his own party he is creating.  Even Repugnants are not happy with how he pulled this stunt.

Now he is engaging in Twitshit Napalm contests with guys like John McCain and Mitch McConell.  The Koch Borthers are mad at him too!  :o

If he keeps this up, he'll be LUCKY to just get Impeached!

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If things keep going this way it is only a matter of time before Trump will be needing the services of Winston Wolf.

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Re: Travelers Stranded and Protests Swell Over Trump Order
« Reply #183 on: January 30, 2017, 01:56:17 AM »

If things keep going this way it is only a matter of time before Trump will be needing the services of Winston Wolf.


Yes, every day it looks more like a bad gangster movie. lol.

Harvey Keitel was great in that part.

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« Reply #184 on: January 30, 2017, 04:27:28 AM »
In other Newz, Donald Trump has been Banned from travel anywhere outside the FSoA.  176 Nations in the United Nations have agreed to ban Trump Travel to their countries.

In a Tweet this morning, Trump remarked that this was unfair and discriminatory.  Further Tweets from Trump indicated that the entire Brit population is composed of Homosexual Twits who never grabbed a pussy in their lives.

In a show of support for Trump, Angela Merkel, Marine LePen and Her Majesty the Queen of England agreed to have their pussies grabbed by The Donald.

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Travel ban: UK petition to stop Trump state visit hits 1 million

By Emanuella Grinberg, CNN

Updated 5:19 AM ET, Mon January 30, 2017


A petition to stop Donald Trump from making a UK state visit hit more than 1 million signatures Monday.

(CNN)For weeks, British lawyer Graham Guest's petition to prevent US President Donald Trump from shaking Her Majesty's hand pretty much lay dormant. But now more than a million people have signed it, and that number is rising fast.
The petition on the UK Government and Parliament website had earned just 372 signatures since the end of November, Guest said, but by 10 am on Monday, that number soared.
Then, news spread of President Trump's executive order restricting immigration from seven Muslim-majority countries and halting refugee resettlement.

According to the rules, any petition with 100,000 signatures or more automatically qualifies it for consideration to be debated in Parliament, though there are no guarantees.

The Leeds resident has no explanation for how it took off.
"Maybe Trump's travel ban has angered people and they want him to know what it's like to be banned from a country," he wrote to CNN.
British diplomats condemned the order. Under intense pressure to take a position, Prime Minister Theresa May conceded Sunday "we do not agree with this kind of approach" while saying it was a matter for the US to decide on its own.
Guest said he had no specific issue or policy position in mind when he started the petition. It was just Trump the man, really.
The petition says a state visit from the new US president would "cause embarrassment to Her Majesty the Queen."
"Donald Trump's well documented misogyny and vulgarity disqualifies him from being received by Her Majesty the Queen or the Prince of Wales. Therefore during the term of his presidency Donald Trump should not be invited to the United Kingdom for an official State Visit," the petition states.
The UK Government and Parliament lets British citizens and UK residents create actions for possible review.
Will Guest attend the hearing if it pans out? "Absolutely!"
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Trumpty-Dumpty POTUS Thread: Here come the LAWYERS!
« Reply #185 on: January 30, 2017, 04:50:08 AM »
Along with a Scientist March on Washington, it looks like we may get a Lawyer March on Washington too!

This is going to be a great boon for the Legal Industry!  Of course, the Lawyers will be doing the work Pro Bono and not getting paid, but who needs money anyhow?

It's hard to imagine how many lawsuits will get filed on this one.  :o

If I could only get ONE of these Lawyers to take my SS case I would be happy.  ::)

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Both groups arrived at the airport on Saturday knowing that people had been detained when the executive order, which restricts entry to the U.S. from several mostly Muslim nations, suddenly went into effect. But with no clear answers on whether Customs and Border Protection officials at the airport were following federal court orders temporarily blocking some of the restrictions, uncertainty reigned on Sunday. Even the number of people who were being detained inside Dulles, if any, was a mystery.

“We have zero idea,” said Mirriam Seddiq, a criminal-justice and immigration attorney from Maryland who was among the assembled lawyers’ de facto leaders. “We have none. Zero, zilch, no idea.”

Nor was anyone at the airport forthcoming. The police officers who stood guard over the thin hallway leading to the U.S. Customs and Border Protection office said they didn’t know, and that they probably wouldn’t be allowed to tell anyone if they did. Airline employees at ticket counters would not say if any passengers had been pulled off of their flights and sent back. Even members of Congress were turned away Sunday afternoon during their attempt to ascertain whether a Virginia federal judge’s order forbidding removal and requiring legal counsel at Dulles was being followed.

Hundreds of members of the American legal community faced similar hurdles as they flocked to airports nationwide over the weekend to defend and represent people they’d never seen or met. About 50 attorneys huddled inside a “war room” at the Dallas-Fort Worth International Airport in Texas, pressing for word from unresponsive officials about the fate of nine travelers detained there. All were eventually released on Sunday afternoon; Dallas Mayor Mike Rawlings personally apologized to them for their “unacceptable” ordeal. At JFK International Airport in New York City, a horde of lawyers took over the Central Diner in Terminal 4 and began writing petitions on behalf of more than two dozen people who had been denied entry.

Beyond the airports themselves, the entire Customs and Border Protection agency had also apparently gone silent. Telephone calls to CBP public-affairs officials from Arizona to Puerto Rico on Sunday went unanswered. Automated voice messages on both the CBP and Department of Homeland Security’s primary media-inquiry phone numbers invited callers to leave messages in voicemail inboxes that were already full.

To fill that void, lawyers and some protesters at Dulles held signs aloft in English, French, German, Arabic, and Farsi outside the international arrivals terminal, each one asking travelers if they had seen anyone being detained during their voyage. Had they seen other passengers taken off airplanes? Had someone been taken away at their point of departure? Was anyone pulled aside during the primary screening checkpoint at Customs? Family members looking for relatives who hadn’t appeared after their flight arrived also provided useful information about who was potentially missing, Seddiq said. But questions were many and answers too few.

“You get conflicting reports, of course, of what people were doing because people aren’t paying attention,” she told me. “I think right now there’s a lot of fear too, so people are just not looking around, just getting off flights as quickly as they can.”

Supporting this effort was a group of volunteer lawyers from the D.C. area, the army that my colleague Kaveh Waddell saw assembling on Saturday. More than two-thirds of them were young women; many were people of color. Participants identified themselves by writing their names on stickers in different color markers: red for lawyers with immigration experience, blue for those with foreign-language skills, black for any other attorneys who wanted to help. Their legal backgrounds also varied. Some came from high-profile law firms in the heart of the nation’s capital. Others specialized in immigration law and suddenly found their career’s path intersecting with a major political crisis.

Among those who offered their aid was John McGlothlin, a former Army paratrooper who used the G.I. Bill to attend law school after 14 years of military service, including tours in Afghanistan and Iraq. “I came here when I saw the Trump administration was not following the judicial orders to let in people who live here legally,” he told me. “I didn’t fight to bring the rule of law to other countries to see it ignored here.”

As we spoke, he acknowledged another lawyer passing by. “Interesting times, am I right?” McGlothlin called to him. “Just like the Chinese curse,” came the response.

To keep in touch, the lawyers relied on a WhatsApp group they had set up among themselves with about 300 members—some still at the airport, others chiming in from elsewhere. Updates were terse and unconfirmed. One lawyer said a passenger on a flight from Canada had been detained, but had no further information. Another passenger told one of them an Iranian woman may have been taken off a plane from Istanbul before the flight had left. A few lawyers speculated the CBP could have taken people it had detained to a separate facility outside Dulles, evading the narrowly tailored court order. But concrete facts were hard to come by.

Those who weren’t gathering information in the terminal huddled on the cold linoleum between baggage-claim carousels, poring over laptops to find precedents for a possible motion of contempt against the CBP officers. (It was unclear when such a motion would be filed, or by whom.) Others brought supplies: cartons of bottled water, more than a dozen pizzas and other foodstuffs, as well as pens, paper, and other office trappings for writing petitions and motions. A quiet, determined energy filled the gathering.

One of the most troubling questions for those assembled was whether green-card holders from the seven Muslim-majority countries targeted by the order were still being detained. There were some indications on Sunday morning the White House would relent and allow them in, but nobody knew if the CBP officers had actually changed course. Then, as 8 p.m. neared, some certainty finally arrived: Secretary of Homeland Security John Kelly issued a statement saying he had granted a waiver for lawful permanent residents to reenter the United States, a full reversal of what had been one of the most roundly criticized parts of the new executive order.

And soon thereafter, word spread among the lawyers that an Iraqi family with four children, all of whom had green cards, had now finally made it through secondary screening. After passing through the cheering demonstrators and into the drab Dulles concourse, a squad of attorneys approached them and inquired if they needed legal assistance or other aid. Reporters jostled around them too, asking if they would be willing to be interviewed. But the family quietly and politely declined them all.

They just wanted to go home.
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« Reply #186 on: January 30, 2017, 05:38:54 AM »
I'll probably write a full blog on this subject at some point, but right now I am pretty backed up and don't like to publish more than 2 of my own blogs/week, to give them a chance to be read.

However, I have to comment on this complete and utter stupidity in the first week of Trumpty-Dumpty's reign as POTUS.

This was so poorly orchestrated it is beyond belief!  :o  Even Modi's demonetization in India was better planned!  The whole Immigration Dept is in sheer chaos and nobody knows if they should follow the POTUS order, or the rescinding order of some Federal Judge? ???  The fucking MSM is simply going WILD with this, and meanwhile hundreds if not thousands of people are in some kind of Limbo Land.  Even if they have a Green Card, if they happen to be overseas visiting somebody, they can't get back in the door.

However, bad and stupid as it is, just imagine the NIGHTMARE of trying to deport all the illegal Mexicans and other SA folks floating around out there in the FSoA!  These numbers are in the MILLIONS, not hundreds or thousands.  It's just nuts, and I am beginning to become convinced that in fact The Donald is quite insane.  He doesn't seem to have a CLUE about planning, and shooting from the hip every day on Twitter just keeps piling on his problems. He's not making ANY friends, ANYWHERE, not even in his own party!  Overseas, he is a complete pariah, with the exception of Vlad the Impaler who still seems to like him, but frankly I do not give that relationship a long lasting timeline.

Personality-wise, this won't cause The Donald to back down, rather he will DOUBLE-DOWN instead and become still more confrontational.  If he has the Koch Brothers against him, he is in some Deep Doo-Doo.

I am having trouble seeing The Donald staying above ground level for a full term at this point.  And I am not referencing his Underground Bunker with the Ford Models either.

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« Reply #187 on: January 30, 2017, 11:04:32 AM »
I'll probably write a full blog on this subject at some point, but right now I am pretty backed up and don't like to publish more than 2 of my own blogs/week, to give them a chance to be read.

However, I have to comment on this complete and utter stupidity in the first week of Trumpty-Dumpty's reign as POTUS.

This was so poorly orchestrated it is beyond belief!  :o  Even Modi's demonetization in India was better planned!  The whole Immigration Dept is in sheer chaos and nobody knows if they should follow the POTUS order, or the rescinding order of some Federal Judge? ???  The fucking MSM is simply going WILD with this, and meanwhile hundreds if not thousands of people are in some kind of Limbo Land.  Even if they have a Green Card, if they happen to be overseas visiting somebody, they can't get back in the door.

However, bad and stupid as it is, just imagine the NIGHTMARE of trying to deport all the illegal Mexicans and other SA folks floating around out there in the FSoA!  These numbers are in the MILLIONS, not hundreds or thousands.  It's just nuts, and I am beginning to become convinced that in fact The Donald is quite insane.  He doesn't seem to have a CLUE about planning, and shooting from the hip every day on Twitter just keeps piling on his problems. He's not making ANY friends, ANYWHERE, not even in his own party!  Overseas, he is a complete pariah, with the exception of Vlad the Impaler who still seems to like him, but frankly I do not give that relationship a long lasting timeline.

Personality-wise, this won't cause The Donald to back down, rather he will DOUBLE-DOWN instead and become still more confrontational.  If he has the Koch Brothers against him, he is in some Deep Doo-Doo.

I am having trouble seeing The Donald staying above ground level for a full term at this point.  And I am not referencing his Underground Bunker with the Ford Models either.

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Koch and Trump ARE NOT disunited. Trump is part of the Koch team. Trump lied to the heartland saying he would support ethanol. Trump demonizes wind power, exactly in line with Koch propaganda. The ALLEGED animosity between Trump and Koch based on the ALLEGED lack of "contributions" made to the Trump campaign COMPLETELY ignores all the hidden fossil fuel industry money used to corrupt Trump that the Koch Brothers have ALWAYS been an integral part of.

Koch Versus Trump on "immigration" is a Propaganda FOOD FIGHT, nothing more.

It is expected that pro-Trump propagandist K-Dog, who LIED when he said he did not vote for Trump, would want to fuel the fire of this food fight.  ;)

I will shortly post a video on my channel that conclusively shows how absolutely JOINED AT THE FOSSIL FUEL HIP the Trump Administration is with the Koch Brothers lackeys.

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« Reply #188 on: January 30, 2017, 12:51:32 PM »

However, I have to comment on this complete and utter stupidity in the first week of Trumpty-Dumpty's reign as POTUS.

This was so poorly orchestrated it is beyond belief!  :o  Even Modi's demonetization in India was better planned!  The whole Immigration Dept is in sheer chaos and nobody knows if they should follow the POTUS order, or the rescinding order of some Federal Judge? ???  The fucking MSM is simply going WILD with this, and meanwhile hundreds if not thousands of people are in some kind of Limbo Land.  Even if they have a Green Card, if they happen to be overseas visiting somebody, they can't get back in the door.

However, bad and stupid as it is, just imagine the NIGHTMARE of trying to deport all the illegal Mexicans and other SA folks floating around out there in the FSoA!  These numbers are in the MILLIONS, not hundreds or thousands.  It's just nuts, and I am beginning to become convinced that in fact The Donald is quite insane.  He doesn't seem to have a CLUE about planning, and shooting from the hip every day on Twitter just keeps piling on his problems. He's not making ANY friends, ANYWHERE, not even in his own party!  Overseas, he is a complete pariah, with the exception of Vlad the Impaler who still seems to like him, but frankly I do not give that relationship a long lasting timeline.

Personality-wise, this won't cause The Donald to back down, rather he will DOUBLE-DOWN instead and become still more confrontational.  If he has the Koch Brothers against him, he is in some Deep Doo-Doo.

I am having trouble seeing The Donald staying above ground level for a full term at this point.  And I am not referencing his Underground Bunker with the Ford Models either.

Apparently there is the "Trump as clever negotiator" theory which some like Scott Adams seems to be suggesting. That is, at the start you give an outrageously high bid so that you end up closer to what you want. Trouble is, that doesn't work in politics. First, you get slammed for being outrageous, and then when you lower your bid you will get slammed for "caving in", and what you get slammed for is what gets remembered. It also doesn't work in geopolitics, where your initial outrageous bid could start a war, and the backing down is seen as weakness.

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Re: Trumpty-Dumpty POTUS Thread
« Reply #189 on: January 30, 2017, 01:28:27 PM »
The mail-in ballot I took a photograph and posted showing Jill Stein as my choice was fake when I advocated third party choices.  Somehow agelbert knows.  Agelbert must have the same super powers as a government troll has.  I did not even know my ballot was fake.

We need a rule so if one Diner puts out clearly false info about another Diner they get banned for 24 hours.
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Re: Trumpty-Dumpty POTUS Thread
« Reply #190 on: January 30, 2017, 02:50:45 PM »
The mail-in ballot I took a photograph and posted showing Jill Stein as my choice was fake when I advocated third party choices.  Somehow agelbert knows.  Agelbert must have the same super powers as a government troll has.  I did not even know my ballot was fake.

I got to side with K-Dog here: he did post a picture voting for Jill Stein so unless the picture was fake (highly doubtful) then he is not a Trump voter.

Going back to the earlier post K-Dog, I would say your stance that Trump can bring good as he promotes localism is misguided. You could, could argue he is doing the right things for the wrong reasons but the fact the right action is taken under the wrong reasons makes a big difference. The thing is his policies of isolationism may have the effect of promoting more local production but the rub here is that since it done under the wrong premises it means peoples' expectations are vastly different than if the goal were to promote and build resiliency. After all his isolationist policies are done with the ultimate objective of promoting more growth thus allowing the working class to enjoy the middle-class lifestyle they had in the 1960s. This is not going to happen and when people discover this there will be a backlash. If on the other hand he promoted local production to enhance national security and put the disclaimer that this could lead to less growth then peoples' expectations would be more closely aligned to the realities of the world. And this would lead to a better outcome as there is less of a disconnect, in short he is managing expectations in a much better and responsible way.

To add fuel to fire his executive orders promote division and not solidarity so he could be sowing the seeds for future tribalism. In a world that is collapsing you want communities to work together and not fighting each other. It remains to be seen that Trump can ever be capable of uniting the people of the United States. To me the only redeemable qualities he has is the fact he is actually following through with his promises which is more than can be said for a lot of politicians. The fact his promises were so outrageous demonstrates the guy has balls which is something Obama sorely lacked.

The other thing that is somewhat refreshing is his angst against the mainstream media, the intelligence community and the establishment in general but I don't think this will have a lasting legacy; I don't expect future administrations to follow his lead. What is more the fact he himself is not honest undermines a lot of the beef he has. His fake news or alternative facts slogans hint towards the development of mass censorship or the creation of excessive controls on the mainstream media. Granted this fear may not materialise but it is prudent to be mindful of that possibility. The more pressing matter seems to be that Trump is way over his head and there is a strong possibility he will make things worse (more so than the standard politician) after his first term. That is if he gets to the end of the term.

What can't be ignored is he is a massive jackass so anyone who appears to even be neutral (nevermind supportive) will be questioned about their ethical disposition and possible ulterior motives. This is the precise problem Theresa May faces for seemingly taking a neutral stand for his actions over the last week. Her ethics and motives are being questioned. It all boils down to the fact Trump is a VERY divisive figure and there is little middle ground. Like Marmite you either love it or hate it: there is no in between. Personally morals matter and even if he achieves some good thing being a dick head has the tendency to cause negative unintended consequences so his actions cannot be ignored. I was never a fan of taking the moral position of a means to an end. The journey matters and how you achieve your goals is just as important as the end-goal itself.

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Re: Trumpty-Dumpty POTUS Thread
« Reply #191 on: January 30, 2017, 04:37:06 PM »
Here is my call on the Muslim ban.

This is being done to lay down the groundwork for a false flag terrorist attack or two...or three...God help us at this point. 

They will claim that it is "home grown Fundamentalist Islamic terrorism," or some such descriptor. 

They will use it to lock down any place where the attacks happen.  It will be martial law on the streets.  It will be Standing Rocks in Chicago, LA, Miami...

They could probably use this to tank the market and there will be some cockamamie bullshit explanation like everybody in America is panicking and people are gettin' shot dead trying to get money out of the atm. 

EBT will stop working and it will be complete chaos everywhere.

Annnnnndddddd, game over...it's gone...America is gone!

If I believed in fast decline that is. 

I think it will be stair step all the way to the bottom with a timeline of maybe 50 years before we have complete third world America with some large cities that are still kind of viable.  Probably one of those stair steps will be war...in...Merka, and that will be unlike anything any living American (that isn't a Native at least) has ever seen.  Never mind, I'm sure there are some American Vets left from Pearl Harbor.  Still, I'm talking Pearl Harbor type war on Merkan soil. 

A real WWIII.  Or rather the WWIII that's been ongoing since they got rid of JFK.  Only now their going to bring the action home.  At some point.  It wouldn't surprise me if I'm right about the false flag for war at home. 

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Brits get a Pass! Monsta can come to the FSoA for the next Convocation!
« Reply #192 on: January 30, 2017, 05:39:04 PM »
Trumpty-Dumpty's ban is not holding up too good.

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“The general principle is that all British passport holders remain welcome to travel to the United States,” Johnson told the House of Commons in London on Monday. “We’ve received assurances from the U.S. Embassy that this executive order will make no difference to any British passport holder irrespective of their country of birth or whether they hold another passport.”

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U.K. Says It Has Won an Exemption From U.S. Travel Ban
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British passport holders are free to travel to the U.S. and aren’t affected by a ban on people with links to seven mainly Muslim countries, U.K. Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson said, as officials around the world sought clarity on the new rules.

Johnson was trying to end confusion over the extent of President Donald Trump’s ban after speaking on Sunday to Trump’s son-in-law and senior adviser, Jared Kushner. Johnson released a detailed statement after the discussion saying that only nationals of Syria, Iraq, Iran, Sudan, Somalia, Yemen and Libya, traveling directly to the U.S. from those countries, are affected.

“The general principle is that all British passport holders remain welcome to travel to the United States,” Johnson told the House of Commons in London on Monday. “We’ve received assurances from the U.S. Embassy that this executive order will make no difference to any British passport holder irrespective of their country of birth or whether they hold another passport.”
The U.S. embassy in the U.K. released a statement telling dual nationals of the seven countries affected by the travel ban not to attend appointments for visa interviews.

The U.S. Embassy in London had continued on Monday morning to warn all nationals or dual nationals of those countries not to attempt to apply for visas in a statement posted on its website. “Do not schedule a visa appointment,” it said. “If you already have an appointment scheduled, please DO NOT ATTEND your appointment as we will not be able to proceed with your visa interview.”

This advice was later removed from the embassy website.
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More than 1.5 million people signed a petition to Parliament calling for the invitation for Trump to make a state visit to Britain to be withdrawn as a result of the policy. Lawmakers must now consider whether to schedule a debate on the issue. Johnson criticized the visa ban but said it is right for Trump to make the visit, which will involve Queen Elizabeth II playing host to the president.

“I share the widespread disquiet and I have made my views absolutely clear,” Johnson said of the travel ban. “I have said that it is divisive, I have said that it’s wrong and I have said that it stigmatizes people on grounds of their nationality.”

The foreign secretary blamed the confusion surrounding the travel ban on the way it was implemented, without consulting U.S. government departments. It had “caught them on the hop,” Johnson said.

However, “it is totally right of course that the incoming president of our closest and most important ally should be accorded the honor of a state visit supported by this government, and the invitation has been extended by Her Majesty the Queen quite properly,” he said. Speaking in Dublin, Prime Minister Theresa May said that “that invitation stands.”
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Some opposition lawmakers railed against the invitation, with veteran Labour member of Parliament Dennis Skinner describing Trump as a “fascist” and saying that “this man is not fit to walk in the footsteps of Nelson Mandela,” the first president of a multiracial South Africa, who made a state visit to Britain 20 years ago.

Johnson replied that the monarch is used to controversial guests on state visits, naming a Romanian leader and the current president of Zimbabwe. “Both Nicolae Ceausescu and Robert Mugabe have been received by the Queen,” he said.

As Labour lawmakers continued comparing the situation in the U.S. with Germany in the 1930s, Johnson told them to “stop demeaning the Holocaust.” The foreign secretary, though, has made similar historical comparisons. Earlier this month he warned French President Francois Hollande not to behave like a Nazi in a war film, and last year he said the European Union was an attempt to achieve Adolf Hitler’s goal of a united Europe by different means.

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As the statement finished, former Labour leader Ed Miliband successfully deployed a rarely used parliamentary tactic to secure an immediate emergency debate on the travel ban. He said it would make the world a more dangerous place. “What message does this send to a quarter of the world’s population?” he asked. “What message does it send to the world’s Muslims? It says you’re not wanted in the U.S.”

Miliband then joined thousands of people who gathered outside May’s central London residence to protest against Trump and demand that the visit be cancelled. Whitehall was closed by police, and the scenes were replicated in cities across the U.K.
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Trumpty-Dumpty POTUS Thread: YOU'RE FIRED!
« Reply #193 on: January 30, 2017, 08:00:56 PM »
His management style hasn't changed since Reality TV.  ::)

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This gets better all the time.  Collapse on Steroids!  :icon_sunny:

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Trump Fires Acting Attorney General


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WASHINGTON — President Trump fired his acting attorney general on Monday after she defiantly refused to defend his immigration executive order, accusing the Democratic holdover of trying to obstruct his agenda for political reasons.

Taking action in an escalating crisis for his 10-day-old administration, Mr. Trump declared that Sally Q. Yates had “betrayed” the administration, the White House said in a statement.

The president appointed Dana J. Boente, United States attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia, to serve as acting attorney general until Senator Jeff Sessions of Alabama is confirmed.

Ms. Yates’s decision confronted the president with a stinging challenge to his authority and laid bare a deep divide at the Justice Department, within the diplomatic corps and elsewhere in the government over the wisdom of his order.
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“At present, I am not convinced that the defense of the executive order is consistent with these responsibilities, nor am I convinced that the executive order is lawful,” Ms. Yates wrote in a letter to Justice Department lawyers.

The extraordinary legal standoff capped a tumultuous day in which the White House confronted an outpouring of dissent over Mr. Trump’s temporary ban on entry visas for people from seven predominantly Muslim countries. Sean Spicer, the White House press secretary, went so far as to warn State Department officials that they should leave their jobs if they did not agree with Mr. Trump’s agenda, after State Department officials circulated a so-called dissent memo on the order.

“These career bureaucrats have a problem with it?” Mr. Spicer said. “They should either get with the program or they can go.”

Ms. Yates’s decision effectively overruled a finding by the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel, which had already approved the executive order “with respect to form and legality.”

Ms. Yates said her determination in deciding not to defend the order was broader, however, and included questions not only about the order’s lawfulness, but also whether it was a “wise or just” policy. She also alluded to unspecified statements that the White House had made before signing the order, which she factored into her review.
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Dana J. Boente, United States attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia, in 2012. Credit Evan Vucci/Associated Press

Mr. Trump responded to the letter with a post on Twitter at 7:45 p.m., complaining that the Senate’s delay in confirming his Cabinet nominees had resulted in leaving Ms. Yates in place. “The Democrats are delaying my cabinet picks for purely political reasons,” Mr. Trump said. “They have nothing going but to obstruct. Now have an Obama A.G.”

One of Mr. Trump’s top advisers condemned the decision as an illustration of the politicization of the legal system. “It’s sad that our politics have become so politicized that you have people refusing to enforce our laws,” Stephen Miller, the senior policy adviser, said in a televised interview.

Mr. Trump has the authority to fire Ms. Yates, but as the top Senate-confirmed official at the Justice Department, she is the only one authorized to sign foreign surveillance warrants, an essential function at the department.

“For as long as I am the acting attorney general, the Department of Justice will not present arguments in defense of the executive order, unless and until I become convinced that it is appropriate to do so,” she wrote.

Ms. Yates’s letter transforms the confirmation of Mr. Trump’s attorney general nominee, Mr. Sessions, into a referendum on the immigration order. Action in the Senate could come as early as Tuesday.

The decision by the acting attorney general is a remarkable rebuke by a government official to a sitting president that recalls the dramatic “Saturday Night Massacre” in 1973, when President Richard M. Nixon fired his attorney general and deputy attorney general for refusing to dismiss the special prosecutor in the Watergate case.

That case prompted a constitutional crisis that ended when Robert Bork, the solicitor general, acceded to Mr. Nixon’s order and fired Archibald Cox, the special prosecutor.

Ms. Yates, a career prosecutor, is different because she is a holdover from President Barack Obama’s administration, where she served as deputy attorney general. She agreed to Mr. Trump’s request to stay on as acting attorney general until Mr. Sessions is confirmed to be attorney general.

At the State Department, which is also without a leader, career officials are circulating a dissent memo that argues that closing the borders to more than 200 million people to weed out a handful of would-be terrorists would not make the nation safer and might instead deepen the threat. Mr. Spicer countered that the effects of the ban had been exaggerated and that it would help fulfill Mr. Trump’s vow to protect the country.

Taken together, the developments were a stark confrontation between the new president, who is moving swiftly to upend years of policies, and a federal bureaucracy still struggling with the jolting change of power in Washington. There is open hostility to Mr. Trump’s ideas in large pockets of the government, and deep frustration among those enforcing the visa ban that the White House announced the order without warning or consulting them.
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Sean Spicer, the White House press secretary, defended Mr. Trump’s visa ban during a briefing on Monday. Credit Stephen Crowley/The New York Times

The reverberations extended beyond Washington. Corporate chieftains from Detroit to Silicon Valley sharply criticized the ban, saying it was inconsistent with their values. Mr. Trump also faced mounting legal challenges across the country as two Democratic-leaning states, Massachusetts and Washington, signaled they would attack the policy in court and a Muslim advocacy group filed a lawsuit calling it an unconstitutional religious test.

Over the weekend, four federal judges temporarily blocked part of the executive order, prohibiting the government from sending people back to their home countries. Court hearings and further motions in those cases are scheduled this week.

At the White House on Monday, questions about the ban overshadowed all other issues. Mr. Spicer acknowledged the State Department’s “dissent channel” has long been a way for its staff to register objections over administration policies. But he displayed little patience for it.

“The president has a very clear vision,” Mr. Spicer said. “He’s been clear on it since the campaign, he’s been clear on it since taking office — that he’s going to put the country first.”

“If somebody has a problem with that agenda,” he added, “that does call into question whether or not they should continue in that post.”

The visa ban has also rattled other agencies: the Defense Department, which says it hurts the military’s local partners in conflict zones like Iraq; and the Department of Homeland Security, whose customs officers are struggling to enforce the directive.

But Mr. Spicer’s blunt warning posed an especially difficult choice for the more than 100 State Department officials who indicated they would sign the memo. They can sign a final version, which would be put on the desk of Rex W. Tillerson, Mr. Trump’s designated secretary of state, on his first day in office. Or they can choose not to identify themselves, and instead rely on the leak of the letter to make their point.

Under State Department rules, it is forbidden to retaliate against any employee who follows the procedures and submits a dissent memorandum. One of the signatories, in a text message, said State Department signatories were trying to figure out what to do.

“This is an important process that the acting secretary, and the department as a whole, respect and value,” said a spokesman, Mark Toner. “It allows state employees to express divergent policy views candidly and privately to senior leadership.”

The speed with which the memo was assembled and the number of signers underscore the degree to which the State Department has become the center of the resistance to Mr. Trump’s new order. More broadly, it represents objections to his efforts to cut back on American participation in international organizations and to issue ultimatums to allies.
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Not surprisingly, the diplomats and Civil Service officers of the State Department are among the most internationally minded in the government; they have lived around the world and devoted their careers to building alliances and promoting American values abroad.

“This channel was established to allow Foreign Service officers to express constrictive dissent,” said John D. Negroponte, a Republican former deputy secretary of state. “This type of commentary seems pretty harmless to me. The administration is being pretty defensive.”

Last spring, 51 State Department officials signed a dissent cable protesting President Barack Obama’s hands-off policy in Syria, which they asserted had been “overwhelmed” by the violence there. They handed the cable to Secretary of State John Kerry.

Unlike that memo, which advocated military action in Syria, this one is broadly focused on not sacrificing American values. It warned that the ban would “increase anti-American sentiment” and that “instead of building bridges to these societies,” it would “send the message that we consider all nationals of these countries to be an unacceptable security risk.”

Among those whose views will be changed are “current and future leaders in these societies — including those for whom this may be a tipping point towards radicalization.” It also warned of an immediate humanitarian effect on those who come “to seek medical treatment for a child with a rare heart condition, to attend a parent’s funeral.”

“We do not need to alienate entire societies to stay safe,” the draft memo concluded.

At the Pentagon, where Defense Secretary Jim Mattis has been on the job since last week, there is frustration for another reason. Mr. Mattis, who was not consulted on the order, plans to send the White House a list of Iraqi citizens who have served with American military forces with the recommendation that they be exempt from the ban, the Pentagon said on Monday.

“There are a number of people in Iraq who have worked for us in a partnership role whether fighting alongside us or working as translators, often doing so at great peril to themselves,” said Capt. Jeff Davis, a Pentagon spokesman. “Those who support us there and do so at risk to themselves, we will make sure those contributions of support, those personal risks they’ve taken, are recognized in this process.”

Captain Davis said department officials were compiling names of Iraqis who served as drivers, interpreters and linguists and in other jobs with American military personnel in Iraq over the years. He declined to say how many Iraqi citizens might be included in this list or what Mr. Mattis’s personal recommendations to Mr. Trump were on the matter.

The Pentagon list is intended to address a major criticism of Mr. Trump’s executive order: that it will stop the flow of former Iraqi interpreters and cultural advisers who have sought special visas to move to the United States for their own protection.

The White House has argued that the temporary ban is needed so that the United States can develop procedures for the “extreme vetting” of travelers from nations that have been stricken by terrorism. Officials said the Iraqis who will be put on the Pentagon list have already undergone a stringent form of vetting: serving with the United States military in combat.

Reporting was contributed by David E. Sanger, Ron Nixon, Michael R. Gordon and Eric Schmitt in Washington.

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Re: Trumpty-Dumpty POTUS Thread
« Reply #194 on: January 30, 2017, 08:08:56 PM »
Well that little act of defiance didn't last long, did it?   ::)

You can tell from her demeanour that she knew she was signing her own death warrant.  And Trump was only too happy to oblige as he had to appear strong, and it sends a message to all the Obama hirelings out there.

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