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Re: 🤡 Trumpty-Dumpty POTUS Thread
« Reply #2250 on: November 20, 2019, 06:09:06 AM »

"Traction" isn't the point, is it? Stealing a couple of points from the Dem is. (See Gore and Nader, Stein and HRC, etc.)

Well, on that level, you're just as likely to see a Repugnant like Joe Walsh drop in on an "Independent" ticket.  They are not all entirely happy with El Trumpo.

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Maybe, but the racist, white nationalist rump nation that is the trump base votes in a far more disciplined way than do Dems. Plus they keep score and exact revenge.

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« Reply #2251 on: November 20, 2019, 06:10:19 AM »
Am watching cable news @ 9:09AM. Sondlund's opening statement has bee released, and it appears he's blowing them all in to save his own ass.
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« Reply #2252 on: November 20, 2019, 06:13:01 AM »
Am watching cable news @ 9:09AM. Sondlund's opening statement has bee released, and it appears he's blowing them all in to save his own ass.

9:00 a.m.
Sondland acknowledges there was a ‘quid pro quo’
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/impeachment-hearings-live-updates/2019/11/20/66ec806a-0b20-11ea-8397-a955cd542d00_story.html#link-KZV4NMP744YFBOXXP3NSFZLQNQ

Sondland planned to testify Wednesday more bluntly than he had before that Trump and his personal lawyer Rudolph W. Giuliani sought to condition an important White House invite for Ukraine’s new president to demands that his country publicly launch investigations that could damage Trump’s Democratic political opponents.

“I know that members of this committee have frequently framed these complicated issues in the form of a simple question: Was there a ‘quid pro quo?’” Sondland planned to say, according to prepared remarks. “With regard to the requested White House call and White House meeting, the answer is yes.”

Sondland, the U.S. ambassador to the European Union, also planned to tell the House Intelligence Committee that while he never knew for sure if the White House had frozen nearly $400 million in security assistance as part of the pressure campaign against Ukraine, he operated as if that were the case.

“In the absence of any credible explanation for the hold, I came to the conclusion that the aid, like the White House visit, was jeopardized,” Sondland said. “My belief was that if Ukraine did something to demonstrate a serious intention” to launch the investigations Trump wanted, “then the hold on military aid would be lifted.”
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« Reply #2253 on: November 20, 2019, 06:54:09 AM »

Gordon Sondland just totally threw Donald Trump and Mike Pence under the bus

We’ve all been wondering what U.S. Ambassador Gordon Sondland would do to with his public House impeachment testimony. He got caught lying in his initial closed-door testimony, and he then revised his testimony in writing, but subsequent witnesses have made clear that he still hadn’t told the full truth. But today, Sondland has decided to throw caution to the wind – and throw everyone under the bus.

Gordon Sondland is giving his verbal opening statement right now. But he’s already submitted his written opening statement, and it’s public, and it’s damning. Sondland says this of the Trump regime when it comes to the Ukraine extortion scandal: “They knew what they were doing and why. Everyone was in the loop. It was no secret.” So who is “everyone”?

Sondland says that Donald Trump, Mike Pence, Mike Pompeo, Rudy Giuliani, and others were in on the Ukraine plot. Sondland says that Trump gave him no choice but to work with Giuliani in Ukraine. Sondland also says that he personally told Pence about it on September 1st, while it was still a secret.

Gordon Sondland is still just getting started with his verbal opening statement, but based on his written statement, it’s already clear that everyone is going under the bus today. Sondland has clearly decided to simply come clean about everything, and hope that his cooperation ends up being enough to convince the House not to go after him on perjury.

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« Reply #2254 on: November 20, 2019, 07:00:12 AM »
After opening remarks, Adam Schiff gave ranking member Devin Nunes the opportunity to present remarks. Where Nunes disparaged the Chair, the proceedings, and referred to them as a "circus."

Pretty rich coming from a guy who has seen fit to sue a parody account entitled "Devin Nunes' Cow" for $250 million.

Devin Nunes sued a fake cow. And kept suing and suing and suing …

It’s been a big legal year for Republican U.S. Rep. Devin Nunes of Tulare, who once co-sponsored the “Discouraging Frivolous Lawsuits Act.”

He has sued:

¤ A stone fruit farmer in Dinuba, and two other people, for conspiring to damage his 2018 reelection by asking that Nunes not be allowed to call himself a “farmer” on the ballot.

¤ The research firm Fusion GPS and a Democratic group called Campaign for Accountability for attempting to interfere with his “investigation” (quote marks are mine) into ties between President Trump and Russia when he was chairman of the House Intelligence Committee.

¤ Twitter and a couple of parody accounts, including @DevinCow, who has called Nunes “a treasonous cowpoke.” He is asking for $250 million to assuage his hurt feelings.

¤ McClatchy, parent company of Nunes’ hometown paper, the Fresno Bee, for writing that he had a financial interest in a winery sued by an employee who was asked to work on a charity cruise where men behaved very, very badly.

¤ And, most recently, Esquire magazine and the journalist Ryan Lizza, who Nunes claims have defamed him to the tune of $75 million in writing about the Nunes family dairy farm, which is not in California, but in Iowa, a fact Lizza alleged Nunes has sought to downplay. Lizza also wrote about how undocumented workers form the backbone of the Iowa dairy farm industry, and how the industry would collapse without them.

To help get a sense of the injury caused by an organic peach farmer, reporters and a fake cow, Nunes’ lawsuits first lay out what a fantastic guy Nunes is:

“Nunes’ career as a U.S. Congressman is distinguished by his honor, dedication and service to his constituents and his country, his honesty, integrity, ethics, reputation for truthfulness and veracity.”

This is a helpful corrective, I guess, because most people think of Nunes as the Trump lackey who sneaked into the White House in the middle of the night last year to receive information that he turned around and claimed to be presenting to Trump for the first time the next day. Instead of really trying to figure out how Russia had mucked about in the 2016 election, Nunes was helping Trump make a case against American spy agencies.

Or maybe people think of him as the guy who hasn’t held a town hall meeting for constituents in years.

Or perhaps as the elected official who refuses to talk to his hometown paper, the Fresno Bee, which endorsed him in all but his most recent election.

It’s hard to conceive, apparently, how devastating it can be to a powerful congressman to be the butt of silly but pointed tweets.

“In 2018, during his last re-election,” says his lawsuit against Twitter and the cow, “Nunes endured an orchestrated defamation campaign of stunning breadth and scope, one that no human being should ever have to bear or suffer in their whole life.”

The defamation campaign, Nunes complained, caused him to win by a smaller margin than he usually does against Democrat Andrew Janz, the Fresno prosecutor who came within 5 points of unseating him.

It’s almost as if Nunes thinks he is the victim of a vast bovine conspiracy, when what he is really doing is weaponizing the American legal system in an effort to shut down criticism, punish his antagonists and prove to Trump World that, like the president, he will stop at nothing to destroy those who would dare to oppose him. Or call him names like “Milk Dud.”

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On Thursday, I checked in with @DevinCow, whose identity has not been revealed, and who has been advised by her (I assume) lawyers not to speak to reporters by phone.

We communicated via Twitter direct message.

Normally, I would not quote an unreal ungulate, but, forgive me, as I have no choice. The cattle did not prattle; she got straight to the point:

“I consider the lawsuit frivolous,” the cow wrote. “Nunes has defamed me. He publicly stated that I’m involved in a conspiracy, as a foreign actor, use dark money and am part of his opponents’ campaign. None of this is true.”

The cow thinks that Nunes is filing lawsuits to scare off critics, tie them in legal knots and either “bankrupt and/or wear them out emotionally.”

The lawsuits, the cow noted, have also been great for Nunes’ fundraising. Could this be the real reason he has become lawsuit-happy?

As McClatchy Washington, D.C., bureau reporter Kate Irby wrote, Nunes raised nearly $1.9 million in the last quarter, and more than $3 million this year. According to the website Open Secrets, he has $6.9 million cash on hand, the most of any House incumbent, trailed only by his archnemesis, Democratic Rep. Adam B. Schiff, who has $6.7 million.

Irby reported that almost none of Nunes’ donations in the last quarter came from inside his district, which includes parts of Fresno, plus Clovis, Tulare and Visalia. Instead, it came from interest groups and corporate PACs.

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I also reached out to retired organic farmer Paul Buxman of Dinuba, who was sued by Nunes after he and two others asked the state not to allow Nunes to identify himself on the ballot as a “farmer.”

“I never asked him to admit he’s not a farmer,” Buxman said. “I asked him to give a proper and honest designation. I believed it could help him. When you are propping up something that’s not honest, it takes a lot of energy to stay ahead of that game — you know, his pictures walking through almond orchards and wearing jeans. The Chinese say, a half-truth is worse than a lie.”

He thought Nunes should identify himself as a “farmer’s advocate.”

Secretary of State Alex Padilla, a Democrat, ruled that Nunes could continue to identify himself as a farmer, even though he doesn’t farm and only recently began to declare on financial disclosures his ownership of a Tulare farm, according to the Visalia Times Delta, which has generated no income.

That Nunes turned around and sued Buxman — a constituent — for challenging his status tells you that the congressman’s skin is as thin as the skin on a grape. The case was later dropped.

Buxman, an artist whose plein-air paintings of the farms and waterways in the San Joaquin Valley are collected by admirers, has always made a point of giving a painting to his elected representatives in Washington, so they don’t forget the land they represent. He has not been able to meet with Nunes in order to give him one.

When he was a child, he told me, he was in charge of picking a flat of the very best peaches from his family farm to send to each incoming president, as a gift and reminder of the bounty of California’s farmland. He still has a thank you from President Eisenhower.

Buxman said he has been reaching out to Nunes since 2003, after he was first elected to the House of Representatives, but that Nunes, for the most part, has been unresponsive.

“When things started to get worse after Donald’s election,” Buxman said, “it seemed like Devin was giving up hope of forming a bond with his constituents.”

I guess he’d rather sue them than talk to them.

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« Reply #2255 on: November 20, 2019, 07:12:31 AM »

Devin Nunes goes nuts at impeachment hearing — and says Dems would’ve impeached George Washington

Rep. Devin Nunes (R-CA) on Wednesday delivered yet another rant at House Democrats during impeachment hearings.

As has been the case with all of his opening statements, Nunes did not at all try to rebut the damning facts that have been established by the impeachment hearings so far, and instead railed against Democrats for attacking President Donald Trump during the Russia investigation.

Toward the end of his opening statement, Nunes went way out into left field and accused Democrats of wanting to impeach George Washington.

“The Democrats’ fake outrage that President Trump used his own channel to communicate with Ukraine — I’ll remind my friends on the other side of the aisle that our first president, George Washington, directed his own diplomatic channels to secure a treaty with Great Britain,” he said. “If my Democratic colleagues were around in 1794, they probably would want to impeach him, too.”

The reason Democrats are impeaching Trump isn’t that he used back channels to talk with Ukraine to discuss a treaty, but rather that he used such channels to shake down Ukraine to publicly launch investigations of his domestic political opponents.

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Re: 🤡 Trumpty-Dumpty POTUS Thread/Sondlund
« Reply #2256 on: November 20, 2019, 07:50:37 AM »
But today, Sondland has decided to throw caution to the wind – and throw everyone under the bus.

We're going to need a Bigger Bus.  Running out of room under this one.

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« Reply #2257 on: November 20, 2019, 07:51:04 AM »

Gordon Sondland just took a blowtorch to everyone

When Gordon Sondland’s written opening statement became public just before this morning’s House impeachment hearing began, it was immediately clear that he was throwing everyone under the bus. Sondland wrote that Donald Trump ordered him to work with Rudy Giuliani in Ukraine, that there absolutely was a quid pro quo, that Mike Pence and Mike Pompeo knew, and that pretty much everyone in the Trump regime was in on the Ukraine plot.

Now that Sondland has completed his verbal opening statement in front of the television cameras, it’s becoming clear just how damaging his testimony is for everyone involved. Sondland is taking a figurative blowtorch to the entire upper ranks of the Trump regime – particularly Donald Trump himself.

In fact Sondland is going even further with his answers to Adam Schiff’s opening round of questions. Sondland says that Donald Trump told him very clearly that he didn’t care about the fate of Ukraine. He also says that the Ukrainians absolutely knew they were going to have to promote the fake Biden scandal if they wanted anything at all from the Trump regime. Sondland is also stressing that he told Mike Pence all about what was going on, thus erasing Pence’s shot at deniability.

Gordon Sondland may only be coming clean because he’s trying to avoid a perjury charge for his earlier faulty testimony. But the bottom line is that Sondland is coming clean. It’s rapidly starting to look like Sondland is going to end up being the John Dean of his era. Donald Trump has got to be hiding under his desk right now.

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« Reply #2258 on: November 20, 2019, 07:58:37 AM »
This doesn't do wonders for Pensky's chances for Pinch Hitting in the election if/when Trumpofsky is Impeached/Resigns.  Who will the Repugnants put up?  ???   :icon_scratch:

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« Reply #2259 on: November 20, 2019, 08:07:43 AM »
Some live action!

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Gordon Sondland’s impeachment testimony on Trump and Ukraine adds up to bribery
Sondland not only confirmed the Ukraine quid pro quo, he unequivocally tied it to Trump and his requirements for personally beneficial investigations.
Barbara McQuade


Gordon Sondland is not a note taker, but it appears that he can do math.

Appearing Wednesday before House impeachment investigators, the U.S. ambassador to the European Union said he communicated to the president of Ukraine that before Ukraine would receive military aid and a White House meeting, he needed to announce certain investigations.

Sondland testified that “it was abundantly clear that there was a link” between the actions Ukraine desired and an announcement about the two investigations. “Was there a quid pro quo?” Sondland asked rhetorically. “The answer is yes.”

In addition to confirming the quid pro quo, Sondland — a major donor to President Donald Trump — unequivocally tied it to Trump: “We all understood that these prerequisites for the White House call and White House meeting reflected President Trump’s desires and requirements.”

Sondland should have taken notes

After his election last spring on a reform agenda, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky sought a meeting with Trump at the White House to signal U.S. support for Ukraine as it resists Russian aggression. Congress had approved nearly $400 in military aid to help Ukraine fight Russia, which invaded Ukraine in 2014 and continues to occupy its eastern region.

In exchange, the United States was seeking an announcement about two investigations. One investigation would explore possible interference by Ukraine in the 2016 election, a debunked conspiracy theory that contradicts findings by the U.S. intelligence community that Russia interfered in the election. The other investigation was into Burisma, an energy company in Ukraine that counted Joe Biden’s son as a board member from 2014 to earlier this year.
Gordon Sondland, U.S. ambassador to the European Union, is sworn in to testify before the House Intelligence Committee on Nov. 20, 2019.

Unlike other witnesses who have testified that they took meticulous notes about their work, Sondland said that he is “not a note taker” nor “a memo writer," and that he never has been. If Sondland had been a note taker, perhaps he would have remembered before this third try that there was a quid pro quo between Trump and Zelensky.

During his October deposition, Sondland testified that there was never any precondition to the release of the military aid. But after other witnesses contradicted this testimony, Sondland submitted supplemental written testimony to explain that his recollection had been refreshed by their testimony, and that he now remembered the meeting and aid were conditioned on anti-corruption investigations. If only he had taken notes.

Go-to impeachment tools:Trump abuses power by harassing, intimidating witnesses like Yovanovitch

And even the written correction wasn’t complete. On Friday, State Department official David Holmes testified about a phone call between Sondland and Trump regarding the investigations, after which Sondland told Holmes that Trump does not care about Ukraine, only about “big stuff” like investigating the Bidens.

On Wednesday, Sondland admitted to the phone call with Trump, though he persisted in his claim that he did not know until recently that Burisma was code for “Biden.”
Quid pro quo is an element of bribery

Sondland blamed his lapses of memory on the State Department’s refusal to permit him to access any documents that might refresh his recollection, as well as his own habit of not taking notes.

When it comes to math, however, Sondland is apparently an excellent student.

The ambassador to the EU testified that Trump’s attorney, Rudy Giuliani, told him the investigations were conditions for the White House meeting, and Sondland assumed that the military aid was a condition as well. Sondland said that though Trump never specifically told him the delay in releasing the military aid was directly tied to the announcement of investigations, he assumed the link because “two plus two equals four.”

A deeper hole:Taylor impeachment testimony on Sondland call brings Trump deeper into Ukraine scandal

Quid pro quo is an element of bribery, which is specified in the Constitution as an impeachable act. While it is not necessary in the impeachment context to prove the elements of a crime as defined by statute, such proof certainly makes for a compelling case. Bribery is defined by statute as demanding a thing of value in exchange for the performance of an official act.

An announcement of investigations against Trump’s political rivals was a thing of value for Trump. He could have used the announcement to attack former Vice President Biden, a top rival in the 2020 presidential election. On the other side of the equation, an official White House visit and the release of military aid could each constitute the performance of an official act. In other words, a quid pro quo.

It all adds up.

Barbara McQuade, a former U.S. attorney for the Eastern District of Michigan, is a professor at the University of Michigan Law School and a member of USA TODAY's Board of Contributors. Follow her on Twitter: @barbmcquade
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« Reply #2261 on: November 20, 2019, 02:07:39 PM »

Former Trump apologist Ken Starr now says Donald Trump is guilty

Former special prosecutor and current Fox News analyst Ken Starr has generally been a Donald Trump cheerleader. But after Trump viciously and illegally attacked Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch during her testimony on Friday, Starr began to change his tune. Now that Gordon Sondland has testified, Starr has completelychanged his mind.

Ken Starr watched today’s Gordon Sondland hearing and then declared on Fox News that “It doesn’t look good for the president” and that it’s been “one of those bombshell days.” Starr also said that he now expects Donald Trump to be impeached for contempt of Congress, as Sondland’s testimony makes it clear that Trump illegally tried to impede the House’s ability to investigate the Ukraine scandal. Notably, this is one of the articles of impeachment that was being brought against Richard Nixon at the time of his investigation.

Starr also said on-air that in light of Sondland’s testimony, he’s left to wonder if Senate Republicans might be tempted to go down to the White House and try to talk Donald Trump into resigning. There’s no indication that that’s actually going to happen today, but there’s no doubt that the Republicans have to be wondering how much longer they can keep propping Trump up before it starts harming their own personal chances of reelection.

In any case, Donald Trump just lost a key apologist today, as Ken Starr is now telling Fox News viewers that Trump deserves to be impeached. The worse this gets for Trump, the more of his apologists will begin turning against him, in an effort at retaining their relative credibility.

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« Reply #2262 on: November 20, 2019, 02:28:50 PM »
One of the things heard most often from bothsiderists and pother lickspittle sucks of corpmedia is that "there are two competing sets of facts."

When you hear that, run as if your hair is on fire. There are NOT two sets of facts. There are facts, and evidence, including the four types of evidence recognized by the courts: demonstrative, real, testimonial and documentary evidence; and there are conspiracy theories and other Q-Anon level fantasy bullshit nourished on the sewers of the right wing internet and launched via Breitbart, Stormfront, and enthusiastic Trump fellators like Devin Nunes.

Devin Nunes Is Living in a Fantasyland
The representative’s claims about stories reporting on the Trump administration are part of a universe of untruth.


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Devin Nunes, the ranking Republican on the Intelligence Committee, opened today with a statement attacking media reporting on the Trump administration. He singled out six stories for attack.

One of them was retracted by its publisher, CNN—a form of corporate responsibility never seen from a White House notorious for emitting six false statements in a single morning. Another was an opinion piece in New York magazine by Jonathan Chait that did not claim to report news, but instead built known facts into a damning narrative of Donald Trump’s Russia connection. The other four range from the exaggerated to the unverified to the apparently mistaken.

But let’s take a closer look at those errors and what they mean. One of the stories singled out by Nunes was published by BuzzFeed News. That story asserted that Trump had explicitly directed his then–personal attorney, Michael Cohen, to lie to Congress about the Trump Tower Moscow project. Cohen would ultimately testify to Congress that Trump’s direction was implicit, not explicit.

The distinction between explicit and implicit certainly matters. But Nunes wants to use BuzzFeed’s error to insinuate that Trump was somehow the victim of a false claim. Nunes is here spreading a bigger untruth than any mistake by any news source.

Underlying all the reporting about Cohen was a massive lie by Donald Trump. Throughout the 2016 campaign, Trump repeatedly insisted that he had not done business in Russia “in years.” Trump issued highly specific denials on July 26, October 9, and October 26 of that year. He denied any Russian business connections in the year after the election, too, on January 11, February 16, and May 11. In fact, as abundant written evidence corroborates, Trump was actively pursuing a Trump Tower Moscow project all through the first year of his presidential campaign, from summer 2015 until the deal collapsed in summer 2016. Trump was seeking a huge payday from the Russian state while he was running to head the American state, a story broken by TheWashington Post on August 27, 2017.

Nunes can complain about this story, but it has since been corroborated by the haul of text and other evidence uncovered by Special Counsel Robert Mueller. Trump lied about the deal again and again, on Twitter and from his own lips. For Nunes to suggest that Trump was somehow a victim of false reporting on the Trump Tower Moscow project is to endorse that lying.

Nunes knew that his intended audience would not bother to review the history as you and I just did. Nunes is not interested in talking with anyone who is interested in checking claims, or verifying statements. He is talking only with people locked into a closed and sealed knowledge system.

This closed knowledge system entraps millions of Americans in a universe of untruth, in which Trump is a victim and the allegations against him are “fake news.” The prisoners and victims of this system live in a dreamworld of lies. Yet it would not quite be accurate to describe them as uninformed. They are disinformed, and on a huge scale. The false-knowledge system supported by Nunes is closed and sealed, but also vast and intricate.

The Ukraine allegation against President Trump is simple and straightforward. It can all be summarized in a few sentences of plain English: Trump wanted dirty help for his 2020 reelection campaign. He sent messages demanding that dirty help to the Ukrainians directly on the phone and via his henchmen. He stalled military aid to extort the help. The Ukrainians nearly surrendered, until the whistle-blower report reached Congress on September 9 and knocked loose the aid on September 11.

Now watch Fox News or read the pro-Trump websites. Suddenly the story becomes very long and very complicated. It can hardly be summarized at all; it can only be alluded to indirectly by a litany of callout phrases: “Burisma.” “Hunter Biden.” “Where’s the whistle-blower?” “Vindman’s conflict of interests.” “Star chamber.” “#coup has started.” The intricate tale is animated by a burning rage of injustice against “fake news”—most of that “fake news” (like the story about Trump Tower Moscow) in fact true and corroborated.

The accusations against Trump are direct and intelligible to any open mind. The defense of Trump resembles the Star Wars saga: a universe of storytelling, in multiple parts, much of it comprehensible only if you venture beyond the visual franchise to a huge appendix of fan fiction and Wikipedia pages.

The House Republicans’ underlying argument is too jumbled and confusing even to be agreed with. It can only be absorbed. It is to be repeated, not to be analyzed. It is not even really an argument at all. It is a hypnotic litany, a creed of faith—a faith all the more compelling for defying sense and experience.

At Fox News, on talk radio, and on the web, American conservatives have built a communications system that effectively consolidates in-group identity. Much of the time, the talkers and listeners do not themselves understand what they are saying. They use key words and phrases as gang signs: badges of identity that are recognized without necessarily being understood.

This system of communication tightly bonds in-group members. That bond, in turn, exerts tremendous power over American politics.

The price paid for this achievement is that the communications system lacks any means to convince nongroup members. How can you convince people when they cannot understand what on Earth you are talking about?

Read: Devin Nunes, ‘great American hero’?

Rupert Murdoch, Roger Ailes, and the others have fenced off conservative Americans from the rest of American society. Within that safe space, insiders hear only what is familiar and comforting. When those protected insiders step outside into the larger world, they find themselves completely unprepared for it. To those not immersed in the fantasy franchise, people like Devin Nunes sound like crazy people. Which in turn, of course, only drives them crazier.

The job of Republican members of Congress at the hearing was not to win converts. Their job at the hearing was to enforce orthodoxy and punish heresy—not to convince, but to corral. They had better hope that enforcement will be enough, because enforcement is all they still know how to do.

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« Reply #2263 on: November 20, 2019, 03:14:19 PM »
One of the things heard most often from bothsiderists and pother lickspittle sucks of corpmedia is that "there are two competing sets of facts."

How can you find out "facts" nowadays?  What you actually GET are competing narratives.  Currently, Trumpovetsky's narrative is losing traction, at least with the Pols if not his base of neo-Nazis.  If these jerks want to get reelected, now would be a good time to jump ship.

The one FACT incontrovertibly TRUE is that Donalditry Trumpovetsky is an irredeemably corrupt man who has been so at least as far back as the early 1980s when I first read his name in the NYC tabloids.

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« Reply #2264 on: November 20, 2019, 03:33:08 PM »
One of the things heard most often from bothsiderists and pother lickspittle sucks of corpmedia is that "there are two competing sets of facts."

How can you find out "facts" nowadays?  What you actually GET are competing narratives.  Currently, Trumpovetsky's narrative is losing traction, at least with the Pols if not his base of neo-Nazis.  If these jerks want to get reelected, now would be a good time to jump ship.

The one FACT incontrovertibly TRUE is that Donalditry Trumpovetsky is an irredeemably corrupt man who has been so at least as far back as the early 1980s when I first read his name in the NYC tabloids.

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You don't need to be Dick Tracy to figure out that 45 is taking his marching orders from another wing of the Rothschild banking empire.
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