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The Fake News Catastrophe Is Real
« on: December 26, 2016, 01:57:42 PM »
More and more people are "getting their news" on social media websites, such as Facebook.  The source of many of these stories are completely bogus. Many stories are outright lies and works of fiction meant to look like news stories. But folks are getting sucked in in great number and completely made up fictional "news" stories are being re-posted and even "going viral".

I'd like to propose a branding strategy for the salvation of journalism.  Sources without a record of truth-telling and accuracy should be generally ignored, unless--in the case of a new source--the creators of the website have a record of accuracy, quality, fact checking and decent journalistic standards. 

Unfortunately, today, we have lots of people re-posting fake and inaccurate "news stories" on the web which come from sources known to be unreliable. Let's be sure to point this unreliability out to the ones doing this re-posting, and asking them to refrain from such re-posting prior to discerning that the source is reliable.  In time, in this way, the fake, bogus and fraudulent news sites will dwindle and perish, just as they should.  These phony "news" sites thrive only when we fail to call out those who post items from these bad sources.
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Re: The Fake News Catastrophe Is Real
« Reply #1 on: December 26, 2016, 02:28:18 PM »
I'd like to propose a branding strategy for the salvation of journalism.  Sources without a record of truth-telling and accuracy should be generally ignored, unless--in the case of a new source--the creators of the website have a record of accuracy, quality, fact checking and decent journalistic standards. 

What's a "reliable" newz source?  Is the NYT reliable?  what about WaPo?  The WSJ?  They all publish Fake Newz concocted by Da Goobermint.  What about RT or Southfront?  They're both obvious Ruskie propaganda sites.  What about Zero Hedge?  They have some good financial articles and then some complete junk.

I think you will have a very tough time with your branding strategy.  The reader has to decide for himself the validity of a story.  What makes you the All Knowing arbiter of what is true and what is fake?

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Re: The Fake News Catastrophe Is Real
« Reply #2 on: December 26, 2016, 02:42:08 PM »
What makes you the All Knowing arbiter of what is true and what is fake?

I'm not.  And nobody (no one person or group) should be.

We (together, all of us) could, however, create a website which could sort things out reasonably well.  (Perhaps?) ... a website which allows its users to link to supposed news stories which demonstrably lack credible citations, evidence..., which simply fails basic journalistic standards.   It's perhaps a lot to ask to make such a thing unbiased, but it can probably be done to some extent.

Over time, in this way, a useful database could be compiled showing how reliable sources are or are not.

It used to be that we all knew the fake news sources, e.g., National Inquirer, because they were in print and widely distributed.  The economics of the game didn't allow tends of thousand or millions of new unvetted "news sources" to crop up every so many months.   

We do need valid and legitimate "alternative," independent news sources -- or non-corporate news. For sure!  But we also need a way to discern which are valid and which are crap ... without having to put in the time to investigate each story or publication thoroughly.   In short, we need something we haven't yet got, so far as I am aware.
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Re: The Fake News Catastrophe Is Real
« Reply #3 on: December 26, 2016, 03:42:56 PM »
Fake news story prompts Pakistan to issue [REAL] nuclear warning to Israel
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/26/fake-news-story-prompts-pakistan-to-issue-nuclear-warning-to-israel
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Re: The Fake News Catastrophe Is Real
« Reply #4 on: December 26, 2016, 03:46:00 PM »
It is all fake news unless you can check sources and facts yourself.



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Re: The Fake News Catastrophe Is Real
« Reply #5 on: December 26, 2016, 04:06:03 PM »
What makes you the All Knowing arbiter of what is true and what is fake?

I'm not.  And nobody (no one person or group) should be.

We (together, all of us) could, however, create a website which could sort things out reasonably well.  (Perhaps?) ... a website which allows its users to link to supposed news stories which demonstrably lack credible citations, evidence..., which simply fails basic journalistic standards.   It's perhaps a lot to ask to make such a thing unbiased, but it can probably be done to some extent.

Over time, in this way, a useful database could be compiled showing how reliable sources are or are not.

It used to be that we all knew the fake news sources, e.g., National Inquirer, because they were in print and widely distributed.  The economics of the game didn't allow tends of thousand or millions of new unvetted "news sources" to crop up every so many months.   

We do need valid and legitimate "alternative," independent news sources -- or non-corporate news. For sure!  But we also need a way to discern which are valid and which are crap ... without having to put in the time to investigate each story or publication thoroughly.   In short, we need something we haven't yet got, so far as I am aware.

I don't think there is any way to do this which isn't itself biased.  Besides, many sites like the NYT print BOTH real newz and fake newz.  You simply have to use your own critical thinking skills to make a determination of real from fake.  In general, I think most newz is fake, because what you're really getting is the reporter's perception of reality which then gets filtered through the editor'ss perception of reality.  Getting your own perception of reality takes a lot of reading from a lot of sources to try and filter out a few kernels of truth.

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Re: The Fake News Catastrophe Is Real
« Reply #6 on: December 26, 2016, 04:17:49 PM »
Fake news story prompts Pakistan to issue [REAL] nuclear warning to Israel
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/26/fake-news-story-prompts-pakistan-to-issue-nuclear-warning-to-israel


Or how about this madness:

Man murders UPS driver thinking it was Trump, media silent
'I went there to purposely shoot and kill him and put him down'

http://www.wnd.com/2016/12/man-murders-ups-driver-thinking-it-was-trump-media-silent/#1v5vBGf3lJdbAwc0.99

An upstate New York man is accused of killing a UPS driver he believed to be Donald Trump, and he says there’s no evidence that could be presented to him to make him believe he did not murder the president-elect.

Justin Barkley, 38, said during his arraignment Monday in Ithaca, New York, “I shot and killed Donald Trump purposely, intentionally and very proudly.”


Justin Barkley

The victim who was actually slain Dec. 8 in a Walmart parking lot was William Schumacher, a driver for the United Parcel Service.

Barkley told the court he knew where Trump would be the day of the shooting and he waited in the parking lot in Ithaca to murder him.

“I went there to purposely shoot and kill him and put him down,” Barkley said.

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The case has received some coverage in New York media as well as Britain’s Daily Mail, but has not received much national attention, which was noted by radio host Rush Limbaugh, who felt the case would be a lead story if someone shot a woman believing her to be the Democratic Party presidential nominee.

Limbaugh explained: “If this were Hillary Clinton, if there were some lunatic out there that had shot a woman and claimed that he was shooting Hillary Clinton, do you think the media all over America would be talking about it? And then condemning any and all supporters of Trump and Trump himself for the incendiary rhetoric that he’s engaged in and has inspired this violence. Because remember when [Rep.] Gabby Giffords got shot out there in Arizona, they tried to blame me and Sarah Palin. … Can you imagine the uproar? Can you imagine the wall-to-wall coverage?”

Limbaugh then wondered about the circumstances in the Barkley case in New York.

“Why did this guy want to kill Trump? Why did this guy think that he was killing Trump?” he asked. “What could have happened to make him so hateful toward Donald Trump? Might it be the Drive-By Media and the Democratic Party? Could they maybe be held somewhat accountable here for their never-ending, constant vilifying of Trump?”

According to the Ithaca Voice, Barkley told the court he understood the difference between mistaking a person for being Trump and asserting that he actually killed Trump. When asked if any evidence could be presented to him to suggest he killed a different person, he said, “I would hope not.”


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Getting your own perception of reality takes a lot of reading from a lot of sources to try and filter out a few kernels of truth. - RE

Indeed it does and this nutball would have done well to question his perceptions starting with getting his eyes checked.  As things are with him now it does not matter.  Melt down the key.
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Re: The Fake News Catastrophe Is Real
« Reply #7 on: December 27, 2016, 03:38:23 AM »
It is all fake news unless you can check sources and facts yourself.



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Never forget that "perception management" is a thing, one that the managerial/executive classes are schooled in:
http://bigthink.com/flash-foresight/what-should-todays-executives-and-managers-really-be-managing
And our goverment has been engaged in it for decades.
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Re: The Fake News Catastrophe Is Real
« Reply #8 on: December 27, 2016, 04:05:30 AM »
From Richard McManus' FB page:
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=10157993402810603&id=719850602

Between 1983-1986 Veteran CIA officer and propaganda specialist, Walter Raymond, to run the notorious Office of Public Diplomacy (OPD), a covert psychological and media spinning unit which reported to Colonel Oliver North at the National Security Council. Raymond described the OPD's role as selling to the US a new product -- Central America.
Directed at the time by Vice President GHW Bush and working closely with the CIA, the ODP created a multitude of false news stories to garner congressional and public support for the right wing Contra guerrillas in Nicaragua.
Otto Reich's appointment in particular has spread good cheer amongst the anti-Castro organizations in Florida. In 1996 Reich and Jonathan Miller, his former colleague at the Office of Public Diplomacy, formed RMA International, a corporate public relations and political lobbying company. RMA International's biggest corporate client is Bacardi Martini Inc, the rum corporation which fled Cuba after the revolution. To this day, the Bacardi Corporation poured millions worth of support into anti-Castro groups in Florida. According to public records Reich's company has received more than $600,000 from Bacardi for political lobbying work. RMA International also represent the Lockheed Corporation, and were instrumental in helping to ensure that a 24 year old congressional ban on the sale of high tech military equipment to Latin America was abandoned, paving the way for sales of Lockheed's F16 fighter planes to Chile late last year.
Reich also was/is president of the US-Cuba Business Council an organization established with the support of Bacardi in 1993, and the recipients of $520,000 worth of US government aid for its support for the maintenance of the US embargo on Cuba. A lawyer by training, Reich was instrumental in drafting the 1996 Helms Burton Act which penalizes any company in the world which trades with Cuba. He also serves on the board of the Center for a Free Cuba which has received over $3 million from the US government to help fund its anti-Castro activities.
After all, the aggressively rightwing Cuban American had been a key player in the Iran-contra scandal by heading the notorious Office of Public Diplomacy (OPD) in the State Department. There he manufactured op-eds that were passed off to the U.S. media under the name of Nicaraguan rebel leaders as he berated editors and journalists he deemed too soft on the Sandinistas or too tough on the Reagan administration.
Reich had also associated himself with some of America's least favorite industries: liquor, tobacco, and armaments. He's a lobbyist for Bacardi, British American Tobacco, and Lockheed Martin. He's also remained in the propaganda business. From the U.S. Cuba Business Council and other organizational springboards, Reich broadcasts the exile line, denouncing baseball exchanges, and the return of Elian Gonzalez and trade delegations to Havana.
Reich became in 2000 the vice-chairman of Worldwide Responsible Apparel Production (WRAP), a group financed by the clothing industry to support sweatshops. Exactly why Otto Reich is serving as WRAP's vice-chairman isn't too clear. He has no background in either the apparel industry or in promoting worker rights. What he does have, however, is a connection to WRAP's peculiar leadership.
WRAP's chairman, Joaquin "Jack" Otero, former AFL-CIO Executive Council member, was a leading light in the 1990 Labor Committee for a Free Cuba, which received U.S. government funding through the AFL's American Institute for Free Labor Development, or AIFLD. This was one of the AFL-CIO's cold war overseas institutes, set up to fight communism by fighting communist-influenced unions around the world. AIFLD was a U.S.-government funded institute mostly through USAID with close connections to the CIA, and during the 1980s and 1990s counted on funds from the National Endowment for Democracy.
For more about US propaganda directed at US citizens Google “operation Mockingbird.”

Just Before Christmas, Obama Establishes Anti-Propaganda Agency

In the final hours before the Christmas holiday weekend, U.S. President Barack Obama on Friday quietly signed the 2017 National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) into law—and buried within the $619 billion military budget (pdf) is a controversial provision that establishes a national anti-propaganda center that critics warn could be dangerous for press freedoms.

The Countering Disinformation and Propaganda Act, introduced by Republican Sen. Rob Portman of Ohio, establishes the Global Engagement Center under the State Department which coordinates efforts to “recognize, understand, expose, and counter foreign state and non-state propaganda and disinformation efforts aimed at undermining United Sates national security interests.”

Further, the law authorizes grants to non-governmental agencies to help “collect and store examples in print, online, and social media, disinformation, misinformation, and propaganda” directed at the U.S. and its allies, as well as “counter efforts by foreign entities to use disinformation, misinformation, and propaganda to influence the policies and social and political stability” of the U.S. and allied nations.


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Drudge accuses US government of cyberattack
« Reply #9 on: December 30, 2016, 01:08:18 PM »
Matt is PISSED!

Fortunately, the Diner remains Under the Radar so far!  :icon_sunny:

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Drudge accuses US government of cyberattack
By Joe Concha - 12/30/16 02:14 PM EST


Drudge accuses US government of cyberattack

Drudge Report head Matt Drudge on Thursday accused the U.S. government of launching an attack to interfere with his website.
 
"Is the US government attacking DRUDGE REPORT? Biggest DDoS since site's inception. VERY suspicious routing [and timing]," Drudge tweeted from his personal account late Thursday.
 
About a half-hour later, he said the attack was coming from “thousands of sources.”
 
 

 
 
The attack lasted approximately 90 minutes, Drudge later said from the Drudge Report’s Twitter account.
 
 
The accusation came just hours after President Obama unveiled sanctions on Russia for allegedly interfering with the U.S. presidential election.
 
A secret CIA assessment reportedly concluded that Russia interfered in the election specifically to help President-elect Donald Trump. Russia and Trump have both denied it.
 
Drudge and his website have been outspoken in backing Trump throughout his campaign.
 
Drudge Report averages 2 million unique visitors on a daily basis and more than 700 million monthly page views.
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Re: The Fake News Catastrophe Is Real
« Reply #10 on: December 30, 2016, 01:43:21 PM »
Drudge is not blowing smoke! I completed a pass through my list of 'fake' news links the other day and associated similar links by color.  Drudge is on the list and I had no trouble getting there.  I had to visit every link I changed the color of to see what the link was about so I would know how to color it.  I happened to hit Drudge when the site was not being attacked but other sites showed me that Drudge is telling the truth.

In the process of going through my fake news list I hit blank white pages many times.  This is curious because if the sites no longer existed I should have got 404 errors and not blank pages.  Blank pages are consistent with a cyber attack.  One site in particular is very strong evidence that Quo-Bama cyber attacks (censorship) are indeed taking place.

On Wednesday I could not load this site.  All I got was a page with a message that said we are experiencing heavy traffic and can't process your request.  Please check back later.  Something like that.  I could not get through all day.  All I got was the initial default page load with the message which could not be written over because of the heavy traffic.  Yesterday was different.  I was able to get through and found the site belonged in my Russian category where it now lives close to The Saker.  You should get there without trouble.  It is now as if the attack never happened.

http://the-newspapers.com/


Quo-Bama is an elitist piece of shit but I think everyone here knows that.

My newest version of the list is here.

http://chasingthesquirrel.com/
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Re: Drudge accuses US government of cyberattack
« Reply #11 on: December 30, 2016, 04:15:08 PM »
Drudge and his website have been outspoken in backing Trump throughout his campaign.

Oh, great, and he wants me to have sympathy for his sorry, stupid, vapid ass?  ::)
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Re: Drudge accuses US government of cyberattack
« Reply #12 on: December 30, 2016, 07:13:45 PM »
Drudge and his website have been outspoken in backing Trump throughout his campaign.

Oh, great, and he wants me to have sympathy for his sorry, stupid, vapid ass?  ::)

Being attacked by the government gets him my sympathy!  Pro-Trump websites figure prominently in the fake news list.

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Re: Drudge accuses US government of cyberattack
« Reply #13 on: December 31, 2016, 04:38:15 AM »
Drudge and his website have been outspoken in backing Trump throughout his campaign.

Oh, great, and he wants me to have sympathy for his sorry, stupid, vapid ass?  ::)

Trumpanzees get the back of my hand and the skid marks out of my underwear. No quarter given.

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« Reply #14 on: December 31, 2016, 04:53:39 AM »

Trumpanzees

Trumpanzee...I hadn't read that term before!  It's GREAT to characterize the DIM who buy his bullshit.






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