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Re: "High Ranking US Major General Exposes 911 official version untrue"
« Reply #90 on: August 01, 2014, 11:09:52 AM »
I've never been into the whole 9-11 conspiracy thing, although I consider false flags to be the American Way, for warmongering purposes. I'll have to watch that video when I get home. Thanks for the link.
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Re: "High Ranking US Major General Exposes 911 official version untrue"
« Reply #91 on: August 01, 2014, 04:52:28 PM »
Hmmm. Watched the video. Even though I've never been a 911 truther or spent any time at all on truther sites, reading, I had already heard all of these points from the occasional posting by somebody here or at some of the other sites I do frequent. The General obviously sincerely believes what he's saying..maybe he's right. But how does he know, and how do others know what he contends about the defense systems being deliberately turned off?

Is the video of Silverstein (or whatever the owner's name is) still around on the net? The one where he allegedly says "pull it?" And why would he use that term? Sounds like something a demolition pro might say, but a billionaire building owner?

And the footage of the floors collapsing and the puffs of smoke? Is that a reliable "smoking gun"? Or is there room for debate as to the cause?

I really don't know the answer to questions like that. So what the General says, I can take it for what it is worth.The informed opinion of a man with some real qualifications to analyze the data. But as to whether he's right or not, the video doesn't completely persuade me.

But I have room for considering that he MIGHT be right. The question I have is: "Why?" Just so we could have an excuse to go into Afghanistan? What was so special about Afghanistan? If the TPTB were in control of the whole scenario, why didn't we use the false flag to attack Iran? It seems like a more strategic target.



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Re: "High Ranking US Major General Exposes 911 official version untrue"
« Reply #92 on: August 01, 2014, 05:17:47 PM »
Hmmm. Watched the video. Even though I've never been a 911 truther or spent any time at all on truther sites, reading, I had already heard all of these points from the occasional posting by somebody here or at some of the other sites I do frequent. The General obviously sincerely believes what he's saying..maybe he's right. But how does he know, and how do others know what he contends about the defense systems being deliberately turned off?

Is the video of Silverstein (or whatever the owner's name is) still around on the net? The one where he allegedly says "pull it?" And why would he use that term? Sounds like something a demolition pro might say, but a billionaire building owner?

And the footage of the floors collapsing and the puffs of smoke? Is that a reliable "smoking gun"? Or is there room for debate as to the cause?

The Silverstein quote is part of a PBS Frontline doc. I have not taken the time to look it up or search for it.

I once did a story about a controlled demolition of a bank building in Norfolk. The floors collapsing and puffs of smoke looked very familiar when considering WTC.

Just sayin'. As Bill Clinton once aid in a different content, "Who you gonna believe-- me, or your lyin' eyes?"

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Re: "High Ranking US Major General Exposes 911 official version untrue"
« Reply #93 on: August 01, 2014, 06:08:05 PM »
But I have room for considering that he MIGHT be right. The question I have is: "Why?" Just so we could have an excuse to go into Afghanistan? What was so special about Afghanistan? If the TPTB were in control of the whole scenario, why didn't we use the false flag to attack Iran? It seems like a more strategic target.

The real reason likely has nothing to do with Afghanistan or Foreign Policy.  It's likely Financial, and was contained in the building that collapsed that was NOT hit by a Jumbo Jet, Building 7.  I've read in the past that B7 contained most of the financial records from the Enron scandal.  The Geopolitical/Terrorism story was a cover/distraction.

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Re: "High Ranking US Major General Exposes 911 official version untrue"
« Reply #94 on: August 01, 2014, 07:10:50 PM »
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It's likely Financial, and was contained in the building that collapsed that was NOT hit by a Jumbo Jet, Building 7.  I've read in the past that B7 contained most of the financial records from the Enron scandal.

Yep. And don't forget the part of the Pentagon that got destroyed just happened to be the accounting department that had caused Rummy to be FORCED to tell congress that several TRILLION dollars were unaccounted for... ;)

I think it was the combination of the things you call a distraction AND financial. Just look at the several TRILLION spent to make a few bastards much richer than they ARE in the US with Iraq and Afghanistan! Just look at how Israel made out like a BANDIT with INCREASED funding by our Congress! Just look at the HUGE spike in oil costs during the Bush administration! ALL of that (and more -see Libya and Syria) was part of the big PNAC Neocon plan since 1998!

The financial fucks DO NOT NEED A WAR to steal Trillions. See over 16 TRILLION pulled out of THIN AIR for bank bailouts after 2008 that we-the-people are on the hook for! That's MORE than pentagon pilfering, Iraq and Afghanistan and Israel funding PUT TOGETHER!
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Re: "High Ranking US Major General Exposes 911 official version untrue"
« Reply #95 on: August 02, 2014, 04:34:40 AM »
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It's likely Financial, and was contained in the building that collapsed that was NOT hit by a Jumbo Jet, Building 7.  I've read in the past that B7 contained most of the financial records from the Enron scandal.

Yep. And don't forget the part of the Pentagon that got destroyed just happened to be the accounting department that had caused Rummy to be FORCED to tell congress that several TRILLION dollars were unaccounted for... ;)

Everything you need to know about the true motivations for 9-11 in a few short sentences.


I think it was the combination of the things you call a distraction AND financial. Just look at the several TRILLION spent to make a few bastards much richer than they ARE in the US with Iraq and Afghanistan! Just look at how Israel made out like a BANDIT with INCREASED funding by our Congress! Just look at the HUGE spike in oil costs during the Bush administration! ALL of that (and more -see Libya and Syria) was part of the big PNAC Neocon plan since 1998!

The financial fucks DO NOT NEED A WAR to steal Trillions. See over 16 TRILLION pulled out of THIN AIR for bank bailouts after 2008 that we-the-people are on the hook for! That's MORE than pentagon pilfering, Iraq and Afghanistan and Israel funding PUT TOGETHER!

 Historians of the future will look upon these incomprehensible days and characterize them as, "The Banksters Coup,"  In which they compelled the working people of an entire country to make good their casino losses and thus impoverish the next generations.  And they will ask, "What could they possibly have been thinking?"

 Should any of them live to become future generations of historians, that is.
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Re: "High Ranking US Major General Exposes 911 official version untrue"
« Reply #96 on: August 02, 2014, 05:33:32 AM »


 Impossible G forces for B767
As a matter of fact you COULD beef up the wings of a B767  DRONE to do this maneuver (the only possible scenario in the second twin tower strike due to speed and turn rate). However, at the Pentagon, the hole was too small. It was a missile.

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The retired General in the video is RIGHT!


Incredible article, AG. Had seen Stubblebine before, but took 20 minutes to watch it again. Very compellling, simple to understand and clearminded case.

Any interest in turning this into a blog post?

Here is more background of interest:

Larry Silverstein, WTC 7,
and the 9/11 Demolition


Larry Silverstein, the controller of the destroyed WTC complex, stated plainly in a PBS documentary that he and the FDNY decided jointly to demolish WTC 7 late in the afternoon of 9/11. In the documentary "America Rebuilds", aired September 2002, Silverstein makes the following statement;

"I remember getting a call from the, er, fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, 'We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it.' And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse."
In the same program a cleanup worker referred to the demolition of WTC 6: "... we're getting ready to pull the building six."

There can be little doubt as to how the word "pull" is being used in this context.
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Re: "High Ranking US Major General Exposes 911 official version untrue"
« Reply #97 on: August 02, 2014, 09:20:01 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-a4B4aNStQ&list=WL&index=5

More to stir into the pot....

Behind the Smoke Curtain (The 9/11 Fable of the Pentagon Attack) - Barbara Honegger

Three hours long, well worth watching, Ms. Honegger argues that there was no plane, no missile, but rather cordite was used to do the demolition work and a tank truck full of fuel provided the smoke.

Briefly, I was in DC on 9/11/01, working on the 4th floor of the DIAC (Defense Intelligence Agency Analytical Center) updating SIOP records.  After all, the Cold War had ended ten years ago and I was still doing Cold War work..... ;D

One of my co-workers came into my cube to tell me that a plane had hit the World Trade Center tower.  I said, what kind of plane????  He didn't know, so I kept working.  I had a lot of records to up date and lots of imagery to review so I didn't head to the conference room where the TV was tuned to the events in New York.  He came back a bit later and told me a second plane had hit the second tower.  At that point I said (duh...) something is wrong and got up to make sure our team chief was aware that things were changing and that our mission might suddenly change.  He acknowledged that.  At that point I still had only briefly looked at the TV, again, those all so important records had to be updated....

The next event was the Pentagon.  It is possible to see the Pentagon from the DIAC, but on a hazy day, you can only see just the top of the east side facing I-395.  The DIAC shook from whatever happened and then I could hear people above me running towards the west side of the building and also past my cube.  Again, I was not in a position to see anything but the DIAC shook like there had been a earthquake.  I got up and walked towards the west side of the office and could see the billowing smoke.

At about this point, some guy came on the DIAC's public address system and told everyone to remain calm and at their work stations as "the building was safe."  At that point there was panic and the work force abandoned ship and ran for the exits.  While all this was going on the Air Force locked down the base and everyone was stuck there. 

I went outside after the rush soon enough to see two F-15C fly over head at full afterburners headed west towards what was the 4th airplane.

I got home around 5 pm that night, DC was grid lock going out and not many people came to work the next day.  On Thursday, the government was calling for volunteers to go to the Pentagon and sanitize the offices in the effected area of all classified materials before the bodies could be removed.  I didn't have the desire to volunteer and now wish I had so I could have seen first hand what things looked like.

BUT.... as the Major General says, I could have never possibly believed that my government would do such a thing.  Also, I knew two people, both whom I considered reliable people said they saw the plane coming over the Navy Anex and the expressway so when I heard the alternative stories, I dismissed them as nut cases. 

The video that I have listed above is a three hour case study of the Pentagon and argues that it was neither aircraft or missile, but rather that cordite charges were set in the building to destroy on going efforts into an investigation of a missing $2.1 trillion in Pentagon funding.  Now, I'm not sure if the target was ONI Office of Criminal Investigations or Army investigators, but I think the overall analysis is sound given the way Washington was shaken, it was more of a detonation than an impact.

It was not until a few years ago (2010) that I finally opened my mind and read an analysis on the collapse of WTC building 7 and how the BBC announced it had gone down a full 18 minutes before the event that I finally said, something is very wrong here.  Yes, shame on me, I should have started looking a lot sooner and if I had I probably would have left government a lot sooner.

However, because I would not support the invasion of Iraq, I left DIA in 2004 for DHS because I still believed in the mission but was not willing to go to Iraq, I went instead to defend the homeland.  Three and 1/2 years went by and after reading piles of counter-terrorism traffic, I concluded that we had created the terrorists overseas and there was not a real threat here.  Well, as you can imagine, that was not a popular view in the office and so I left to operate a small farm and forget about all of this.  It took the financial crisis and oil going to $149 a barrel before I stopped again and said, something is wrong here and it most certainly is.

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Re: "High Ranking US Major General Exposes 911 official version untrue"
« Reply #98 on: August 02, 2014, 11:37:18 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-a4B4aNStQ&list=WL&index=5

More to stir into the pot....

Behind the Smoke Curtain (The 9/11 Fable of the Pentagon Attack) - Barbara Honegger
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It was not until a few years ago (2010) that I finally opened my mind and read an analysis on the collapse of WTC building 7 and how the BBC announced it had gone down a full 18 minutes before the event that I finally said, something is very wrong here.  Yes, shame on me, I should have started looking a lot sooner and if I had I probably would have left government a lot sooner.

However, because I would not support the invasion of Iraq, I left DIA in 2004 for DHS because I still believed in the mission but was not willing to go to Iraq, I went instead to defend the homeland.  Three and 1/2 years went by and after reading piles of counter-terrorism traffic, I concluded that we had created the terrorists overseas and there was not a real threat here.  Well, as you can imagine, that was not a popular view in the office and so I left to operate a small farm and forget about all of this.  It took the financial crisis and oil going to $149 a barrel before I stopped again and said, something is wrong here and it most certainly is.

Thanks for the backgrounder, Randy. It would seem that you are more qualified than most of us in being able to separate wheat from chaff.

Most people, including almost everybody that I've spoken to about this (aside from its small circle of friends), suffer from the same debilitating belief: that there's no way that our government would do something so incredibly evil. It's pretty simple; it's a projection of their own inner decency. Because they cannot imagine doing something so heinous to another, they can't imagine that anybody else would do so, either.

Most people have not met Dick Cheney.  it is our own collective decency that they use against us to marginalize as crazy "conspiracy theorists" those few outliers who collect dots of information (in Gen. Stubblewines phrase), and then connect them.
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Re: "High Ranking US Major General Exposes 911 official version untrue"
« Reply #99 on: August 02, 2014, 11:54:40 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-a4B4aNStQ&list=WL&index=5

More to stir into the pot....

Behind the Smoke Curtain (The 9/11 Fable of the Pentagon Attack) - Barbara Honegger
///

It was not until a few years ago (2010) that I finally opened my mind and read an analysis on the collapse of WTC building 7 and how the BBC announced it had gone down a full 18 minutes before the event that I finally said, something is very wrong here.  Yes, shame on me, I should have started looking a lot sooner and if I had I probably would have left government a lot sooner.

However, because I would not support the invasion of Iraq, I left DIA in 2004 for DHS because I still believed in the mission but was not willing to go to Iraq, I went instead to defend the homeland.  Three and 1/2 years went by and after reading piles of counter-terrorism traffic, I concluded that we had created the terrorists overseas and there was not a real threat here.  Well, as you can imagine, that was not a popular view in the office and so I left to operate a small farm and forget about all of this.  It took the financial crisis and oil going to $149 a barrel before I stopped again and said, something is wrong here and it most certainly is.

Thanks for the backgrounder, Randy. It would seem that you are more qualified than most of us in being able to separate wheat from chaff.

Most people, including almost everybody that I've spoken to about this (aside from its small circle of friends), suffer from the same debilitating belief: that there's no way that our government would do something so incredibly evil. It's pretty simple; it's a projection of their own inner decency. Because they cannot imagine doing something so heinous to another, they can't imagine that anybody else would do so, either.

Most people have not met Dick Cheney.  it is our own collective decency that they use against us to marginalize as crazy "conspiracy theorists" those few outliers who collect dots of information (in Gen. Stubblewines phrase), and then connect them.

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« Reply #100 on: September 11, 2014, 12:03:22 AM »

It's THAT DAY again here, so time to revisit the various Theories circulating about the REAL story of 9-11.

I put up a Documentary on the Homepage in the Feature Vid spot to get things rolling.  I haven't watched this vid myself due to the bandwidth issue.  Hopefully however it will Jack Up the Time on Site numbers if a few Conspiracy Aficionados with Alexa Toolbars installed watch the whole thing on the Diner.   :icon_mrgreen:

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The 9-11 Scam
« Reply #101 on: September 11, 2014, 04:11:47 AM »
There is a page on reddit for conspiracies: http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/

It's a remarkable windfall for the conspiracy minded. It is from this post that I have derived the following: http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2g1c9z/911_was_a_sham_it_was_a_lie_instead_of_looking_at/

I have vetted none of this for accuracy, but indeed "accuracy" in these matters also lies in the eye of the beholder.  On the 13th anniversary of 9/11, this collection makes a good start for those who wish to wander further down the rabbit hole.
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9/11 Was a sham, it was a lie. Instead of looking at individual details like building 7, take a look at the finer, hidden elements of the 'conspiracy'

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I am going to be transcribing the key points of the video here. This post will be constantly edited till I finish watching the video. Help me find sources and maybe we can make a difference. EDIT: all the sources for the video are in the video's description.

September 1991 - George H.W. Bush and a number of bankers and people in intelligence, finance a $240 billion dollar covert operations war chest (called Project Hammer) that were scheduled to come due on September 12th, 2001.

Project Hammer was mainly used to finance a cover economic operation against the collapsing Soviet Union, where "unknown" Western investors bought up much of the Soviet industry, with a focus on oil and gas, crashing the Russian economy, looting its central bank, orchestrating the "great ruble scam" and a number of other clandestine operations meant to keep Russia from ever competing with the U.S. as a world super-power.

Several agencies were collecting and compiling evidence on Project Hammer up until 9/11. This included the Office of Naval Intelligence (ONI), which was moved to the outer E ring of the recently renovated section of the pentagon that was hit on 9/11.

DIA E.P. Heidner of ONI said they had been investigating the crimes associated with the plundering of Russia. 39 out of the 40 people who worked in those offices were killed on 9/11, including ONI's entire chain of command.

Many passengers on Flight 77 held 'top secret clearances' and were connected with Pentagon black operations.

Agents of ONI were also investigating financial transactions linked to securities being managed by those security dealers in the world trade center that were also targeted.

31% of the 125 fatalies in the Pentagon were from the Naval Commander Center that housed the Office of Naval Intelligence.

41% of the fatalities in the Twin Towers came two companies that managed U.S. government securities: Cantor Fitzgerald and Eurobrokers.

There were three major securities brokers in the World Trade Center: Cantor Fitzgerald, Eurobrokers, and Garbon Inter Capital. Cantor Fitzgerald was the largest securities dealer in the U.S.

Fire and explosions reported in the World Trade Center: under the FBI offices in the North Tower on the 23rd floor, fires on the 22nd floor at 8:47, explosions and fires reported at Garbon Inter Capital on the 25th floor and basement of Tower 1. Shortly after, at 9:03, Flight 175 hit the South Tower- directly beneath the floors in which Euro Brokers was situated. In all these cases, the explosive, fire destruction consumed the offices in the several floors above, destroying files and trapping victims.

Building 6 was destroyed by an explosion that took place before either tower fell. This secondary explosion took out a portion of the building which just happened to include the El Dorado Task Force's offices.

The El Dorado Task Force was an inter-agency money laundering watchdog group responsible for coordinating all major money-laundering investigations in the U.S. In the immediate aftermath of September 11th, these groups would be redirected to investigate terrorist financing.

FEMA photographer and 9/11 whistleblower Kurt Sonnenfield testified to entering the U.S. Customs Vault in the basement of WTC 6, which was found completely empty and left with the door wide open. All of its contents appear to have been looted during the attacks. There is also evidence that gold was being looted from the vaults beneath WTC 4- there were several early reports of a 10-wheel truck packed with stolen bullion, caught fleeing WTC 5 when the vehicle had become stuck on a collapsed ceiling brace, forcing the driver to flee the scene.

Fireproofing "upgrades" on the exact floors coinciding with failure and impact in the towers. Suspicious power-downs and evacuation drills.

Some other collected thoughts and llnks from poster OWN the NWO:


Going specifically with all the LIHOP evidence is the best door opener for any new person.
ever forget that the victims families asked questions and demanded answers, but all they got were lies and cold shoulders.
9/11 PRESS FOR TRUTH


Never forget that Christy Todd Whitman head of the EPA knowingly lied about the safety of the air at ground zero and premeditatedly murdered the first responders.
We Were Also Killed on 9-11 short


Never forget all the 9/11 whistle blowers who died mysteriously.
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Never forget PDD W199i where the Bush Administration threatened prosecution of any FBI agent by the DoJ for investigating the Bin Laden family or the active cells.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/911.html#w199i

Never forget the FBI admitted they had "No Hard Evidence" Connecting Bin Laden to 9/11.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article13664.htm

Never forget that alleged hijackers were still alive
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1559151.stm

Never forget all the National security whistle blowers trying to wake all the sleep walking sheep in total denial of reality that there were in fact whistle blowers on 9/11, a lot of them.
http://www.nswbc.org/Press Releases/NSWBC-911Comm.htm

Never forget that 7 out of 10 of the 9/11 commissioners don't even buy the story of their own commission
Most of the 9/11 Commissioners don't buy the official story, so why do you?


Never forget who created Al Qaeda
Hillary Clinton : We created Al-Qaeda


Never forget all these professionals, victims and insiders who question the official fairytale of 9/11 many of which are also whistle blowers. Including: 220  Senior Military, Intelligence Service, Law Enforcement, and Government Officials 2000  Engineers and Architects 250  Pilots and Aviation Professionals 400  Professors Question 9/11 300  9/11 Survivors and Family Members 200  Artists, Entertainers, and Media Professionals 400  Medical Professionals
http://patriotsquestion911.com/

Never forget that NORAD stood down
http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/2008/03/norad-stand-down-in-2-minutes.html
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Re: Your 9-11 conspiracy thread
« Reply #102 on: March 12, 2015, 04:19:51 AM »
The 9/11 Commission Didn’t Believe the Government … So Why Should We?
Posted on March 12, 2015 by WashingtonsBlog



9/11 Commissioners Admit They Never Got the Full Story
The 9/11 Commissioners publicly expressed anger at cover ups and obstructions of justice by the government into a real 9/11 investigation:
  • The Commission’s co-chairs said that the CIA (and likely the White House) “obstructed our investigation”
  • The Senior Counsel to the 9/11 Commission (John Farmer) – who led the 9/11 staff’s inquiry – said“At some level of the government, at some point in time…there was an agreement not to tell the truth about what happened“. He also said “I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described …. The tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years…. This is not spin. This is not true.”
No wonder the Co-Chair of the congressional investigation into 9/11 – Bob Graham – and 9/11 Commissioner and former Senator Bob Kerrey are calling for either a “PERMANENT 9/11 commission” or a new 9/11 investigation to get to the bottom of it.

Some examples of obstruction of justice into the 9/11 investigation include:
  • An FBI informant hosted and rented a room to two hijackers in 2000. Specifically, investigators for the Congressional Joint Inquiry discovered that an FBI informant had hosted and even rented a room to two hijackers in 2000 and that, when the Inquiry sought to interview the informant, the FBI refused outright, and then hid him in an unknown location, and that a high-level FBI official stated these blocking maneuvers were undertaken under orders from the White House. As the New York Times notes:
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Senator Bob Graham, the Florida Democrat who is a former chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, accused the White House on Tuesday of covering up evidence ….The accusation stems from the Federal Bureau of Investigation’s refusal to allow investigators for a Congressional inquiry and the independent Sept. 11 commission to interview an informant, Abdussattar Shaikh, who had been the landlord in San Diego of two Sept. 11 hijackers.
  • The chairs of both the 9/11 Commission and the Official Congressional Inquiry into 9/11 said that Soviet-style government “minders” obstructed the investigation into 9/11 by intimidating witnesses (and see this)
  • The 9/11 Commissioners concluded that officials from the Pentagon lied to the Commission, and considered recommending criminal charges for such false statements
  • As reported by ACLU, FireDogLake, RawStory and many others, declassified documents shows that Senior Bush administration officials sternly cautioned the 9/11 Commission against probing too deeply into the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001
Both the 9/11 Commission Investigation and 9/11 Trials Were Based on Unreliable Evidence Produced by Torture
The CIA videotaped the interrogation of 9/11 suspects, falsely told the 9/11 Commission that there were no videotapes or other records of the interrogations, and then illegally destroyed all of the tapes and transcripts of the interrogations.

9/11 Commission co-chairs Thomas Keane and Lee Hamilton wrote:
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Those who knew about those videotapes — and did not tell us about them — obstructed our investigation.
The chief lawyer for Guantanamo litigation – Vijay Padmanabhan – said that torture of 9/11 suspects was widespread.

And Susan J. Crawford – the senior Pentagon official overseeing the military commissions at Guantánamo told Bob Woodward:
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We tortured Qahtani. His treatment met the legal definition of torture.
Indeed, some of the main sources of information were tortured right up to the point of death.

Moreover, the type of torture used by the U.S. on the Guantanamo suspects is of a special type. Senator Levin revealed that the the U.S. used Communist torture techniques specifically aimed at creatingfalse confessions. (and see this, this, this and this).

And according to NBC News:
  • Much of the 9/11 Commission Report was based upon the testimony of people who were tortured
  • At least four of the people whose interrogation figured in the 9/11 Commission Report have claimed that they told interrogators information as a way to stop being “tortured”
  • One of the Commission’s main sources of information was tortured until he agreed to sign a confession that he was NOT EVEN ALLOWED TO READ
  • The 9/11 Commission itself doubted the accuracy of the torture confessions, and yet kept their doubts to themselves
If the 9/11 Commissioners themselves doubt the information from the government, why should we believe it?
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Re: Your 9-11 conspiracy thread
« Reply #103 on: March 12, 2015, 05:55:42 AM »
It all sounds pretty...GovCo normal...like they EVER want to advertise how badly they screwed up.

But it doesn't appear to change the idea that a couple of planes smashed into some government buildings and killed a bunch of folks. Certainly it seems to reinforce the idea that there was quite a bit of CYA going on after the fact, people maneuvering so they wouldn't look bad during the perfunctory and undoubtedly expected proctology exam.
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Re: Your 9-11 conspiracy thread
« Reply #104 on: March 12, 2015, 06:15:39 AM »
Whatever the real story is...and i doubt we'll ever know, the real tragedy of 9-11 is not the loss of life, bad as it was for those who died and their families...the real costs have more to do with the REACTION to 9-11...the huge waste of resources and the senseless scrutiny suddenly and permanently added to the cost of travel, the increase in the police state through the creation of Homeland Security, and the complete and utter trashing of the last of our civil liberties through the creation of the Patriot Act.

As a nation, we would have been far better off to ignore that 9-11 ever happened, than to react in such a predictable, poorly thought out way. Purely an emotional response, and (on the part of politicians) a sop to satisfy the irrational fears of a nation too long lulled into a false sense of security.

And for bin Laden...a complete victory. It's hard to see how a terrorist could ever get more bang for a buck.

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