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Re: Your 9-11 conspiracy thread
« Reply #120 on: August 21, 2016, 03:31:31 PM »
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?: This clip is that of a very important episode of "The Truthseeker", which was taken down from RT's site and which had disappeared from YouTube for some two years until the August 14th publication of an article from RT, claiming that 9/11 was an inside job.

It's not clear whose words those were, I think not Surly1's, so I clicked the link http://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/rt-report-9-11-was-an-inside-job-27806 :

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RT Report: ‘9/11 Was An Inside Job’
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This clip is that of a very important episode of "The Truthseeker", which was taken down from RT's site and which had disappeared from YouTube for some two years until the August 14th publication of this article from RT, claiming that 9/11 was an inside job.

This 800-pound gorilla in the room that ...

Clicking the link to the August 14th RT article :

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https://www.rt.com/sport/354634-rio-olympic-games-timeline/
Rio 2016 Olympic Games Live updates
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Edited time: 14 Aug, 2016 02:26
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RT brings you all the latest news as the best athletes from across the world compete at the first-ever South American Olympic Games in Rio, Brazil.

    15 August 2016
    19:01 GMT

    Russian gymnast Denis Ablyazin has won his second medal of the day, this time landing silver in the men's vault with 15.516 points.

    The gold medal went to North Korea’s Ri Se-gwang, who earned 15.691 points, while bronze went to Kenzo Shirai of Japan (15.449 points).

    Earlier today Ablyazin earned the bronze in the men's rings.
    18:14 GMT

     - Two people were lightly injured when a television camera suspended by cables fell to the ground in the Olympic Park outside the basketball arena, Globonews reported.

        Câmera cai em cima de 2 mulheres no parque olímpico. pic.twitter.com/LqYs79eyqG
        — Maria Jose (@mjascencao) August 15, 2016

    Television images showed one woman who was treated by medics walk from the scene wearing a neck brace, while the other victim was carried off on a stretcher.

    17:33 GMT

    Russian gymnast Denis Ablyazin has won the bronze medal in the men's rings. Ablyzin now has silver and bronze medals at the Rio Games.

        Denis Ablyazin
        Gymnastics- Russia pic.twitter.com/ylD7o6Ez6M
        — vicky (@possiblyvicky) August 9, 2016

    The gold medal was won by Eleftherios Petrounias of Greece. Brazilian Arthur Zanetti received the silver.
    14:29 GMT

    Russian kayakers Elena Anyushina and Kira Stepanova are through to the women’s kayak double 500m canoe sprint event.

        Российские байдарочницы Елена Анюшина и Кира Степанова, а также каноист Илья Штокалов вышли в финал #Rio2016! pic.twitter.com/GcCHrRKgK8
        — Молния Рио-2016 (@molniasport) August 15, 2016

    Canoeist Ilia Shtokalov is through to the men’s canoe single 1000m.

    14:07 GMT

    Russian wrestler Davit Chakvetadze is through to the quarterfinal in the men’s Greco-Roman 85kg event.

        GR85 Qualification: Davit CHAKVETADZE (RUS) df. Saman Ahmed TAHMASEBI (AZE), 3-0. #wrestling#RioWrestle#Rio2016pic.twitter.com/yGNI44BuZI
        — World Wrestling (@wrestling) August 15, 2016

    05:28 GMT

    The Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) has upheld the appeal of Russian long-jumper Darya Klishina against the International Athletics Federation (IAAF). The decision will allow her to compete in Rio. The women’s long-jump qualification is scheduled to take place on Tuesday.

        #CAS удовлетворил апелляцию Дарьи Клишиной, она выступит на Олимпиаде в #Рио#спорт#допинг#Клишина#Россия#прыжкиpic.twitter.com/qrvHzCIqtZ
        — wp_women (@wp_women) 15 августа 2016 г.

    04:26 GMT

    Russia’s women’s volleyball team suffered its first setback in Rio, losing to the Olympic hosts. The Brazilians beat the Russians with a sweep victory of three sets to zero.
    However, the Russians managed to qualify for the quarterfinals, where they will play Serbia, due to their second place in the group.

    On their road to the next stage, the Russian team proved stronger than Argentine, South Korea and Cameroon.

        Российские волейболистки проиграли в Рио Бразилии и ждут жеребьевку плей-оффhttps://t.co/OK6zRvsPl5pic.twitter.com/RFoiGuvQbt
        — Life | Новости (@lifenews_ru) 15 августа 2016 г.

    “Yes, it was our first late match at the tournament while Brazilian team always plays at this time, but it is not an excuse. We felt OK, we were simply struggling a lot, that’s why we lost,” Russian volleyball player Nataliya Goncharova told journalists.
    01:51 GMT

    Superstar sprinter Usain Bolt won gold in the men’s 100m with 9.81 seconds, leaving his American long-time nemesis Justin Gatlin in second place. The Jamaican remains undefeated at his favorite distance since the 2008 Beijing Olympics. Andre De Grasse from Canada reached the finish line third to claim bronze.
    READ MORE: Jamaica celebrates: Bolt beats Gatlin in 100m sprint to win Rio gold & 7th Olympic title

        Genio del atletismo mundial: Usain Bolt.😃☺😀 pic.twitter.com/1Jiw6xQnSO
        — Phillips Guerrero (@Phillipito17) 15 августа 2016 г.

    00:51 GMT

    British tennis player Andy Murray has clinched victory in a 4-hour epic battle with Argentinian Juan Martín del Potro. Murray, the world No. 2, became the first ever two-time individual Olympic champion in tennis history. Murray won his first Olympic gold at the 2012 London Olympics.

        #GBR's @andy_murray takes #Gold and becomes the 1st #Tennis player to successfully defend #Olympics Single's Title pic.twitter.com/lO4FT0LsuO
        — Rio 2016 (@Rio2016_en) August 15, 2016

    Kei Nishikori from Japan beat Rio Olympics men’s doubles champion Rafael Nadal to claim bronze.

        Prize ceremony for @andy_murray@keinishikori and @delpotrojuan 3 unbelievable tennis players 👍🏻 pic.twitter.com/5zP4Fvw4Bj
        — Robin Söderling (@RSoderling) August 15, 2016

    14 August 2016
    23:58 GMT

    Two different DNAs were allegedly found in Russian long jumper Darya Klishina’s urine sample, ARD television journalist Hajo Seppelt tweeted. In addition, some of the bottles with Klishina’s samples had scratches on them, which prompted a last-minute suspension of the athlete, he claimed.

    The final decision on Klishina, who appealed the ban to CAS, is expected to be made Monday morning.

    “The issue is being considered. The decision is likely to be announced on Monday morning,” a CAS spokesman told R-Sport.

    14 August 2016
    22:26 GMT

    Russian wrestler Roman Vlasov became Olympic champion in the Greco-Roman wrestling 75kg division, bringing Russia its ninth gold in Rio. The reigning world and 2012 Olympics champion defeated Mark Overgaard Madsen from Denmark 3-1. South Korea’s Kim Hyeon-Woo and Iranian Saeid Abdevali beat their respective opponents from Croatia and Hungary in matches for bronze.

        Борец греко-римского стиля Роман Власов завоевал ДЕВЯТОЕ золото ОИ в категории до 75 кг.
        БРАВО РОМАН!
        ВПЕРЕД РОССИЯ! pic.twitter.com/C39QHr3MIy
        — Игорь Абрамов (@AbramovDeputat) 14 августа 2016 г.

    21:53 GMT

    Russian track cyclist Denis Dmitriev won bronze in the men’s sprint. The 30-year old was faster than Australian Matthew Glaetzer in two races. Defending Olympic champion Jason Kenny from Britain claimed another gold at Rio, beating his compatriot Callum Skinner in an all-British final.

        Россиянин Денис #Дмитриев выиграл «бронзу» на Олимпиаде в Рио в велотреке: https://t.co/p58ej4eMxOpic.twitter.com/QQ5YFzIkma
        — Комсомольская правда (@kpru) 14 августа 2016 г.

    21:50 GMT

    Russian sailor Stefania Elfutina brought Russia its 9th bronze medal. The 19-year old Olympic debutant and two-time junior world champion scored 69 points in women’s RS:X windsurfing race. Charline Picon from France became Olympic champion finishing ahead of Chinese Chen Peina.

        19-летняя Стефания Елфутина (@BelayaAkula) завоевала вторую медаль в истории парусного спорта России - бронза pic.twitter.com/PwbLALDmb3
        — Йод (@YodNews) 14 августа 2016 г.

    18:45 GMT

    All-around artistic gymnastics champion Simone Biles has won her third gold medal at the Rio Olympics as she triumphed in the vault final.

    The American beat world champion Maria Paseka of Russia with a score of 15.966 from her two vaults, with the bronze going to Giulia Steingruber of Switzerland.

        Ура! Мария Пасека! Медаль! Серебро! pic.twitter.com/pwDZDNqVlv
        — Konstantin Karasik (@KarasikKostya) 14 августа 2016 г.

    Uzbekistan's Oksana Chusovitina, bidding to become the oldest ever gymnast to win an Olympic medal at the age of 41, finished seventh out of the eight finalists.

        .@Simone_Biles (#USA) just won women's vault in #ArtisticGymnastics with a score of 15.966! Congrats! #Olympicspic.twitter.com/1enZ1Jo9zl
        — Olympics (@Olympics) August 14, 2016

    13:53 GMT

    Russian Sports Minister Vitaly Mutko said on Sunday that the suspension of long jumper Darya Klishina at the Rio Games may not be the “last provocation” against Russian athletes, TASS reported.

    Klishina was banned from competing at the Olympic Games just a day after she landed in Rio de Janeiro.

        #IAAF confirms Rio ban on Russian long jumper #Klishinahttps://t.co/xfOPhv76JO#Rio2016
        — RT Sport (@rtsportnews) August 13, 2016

    “I must say, this may be not the last provocation,” said Mutko.

    “They [IAAF] have allowed her, insisted she is allowed, the International Olympic Committee confirmed she is allowed.”

    “Those are certain provocations, which are made intentionally.”

    “Their target is Russian sport now, and, besides, this is supported informationally,” added Mutko.
    04:51 GMT

    02:20 GMT

        And just like that @TeamUSA take the 4x100 Medley #Gold making @MichaelPhelps' last race epic #USApic.twitter.com/IW02nWeQAg
        — Rio 2016 (@Rio2016_en) August 14, 2016

        That's it. Michael Phelps goes out with gold in the 4x100 m medley relay.
        Final career total: 28 medals (23 gold) pic.twitter.com/6BtgS9uYAz
        — ThePostGame.com (@ThePostGame) August 14, 2016

    01:37 GMT

        #ITA takes the #Gold as Gregorio Paltrinieri wins the Men’s 1500m Freestyle final! 👏🏼👏🏼 #Swimmingpic.twitter.com/KXzujeV5Ni
        — Rio 2016 (@Rio2016_en) August 14, 2016

    01:34 GMT

        What a thriller!@Mo_Farah wins 10,000m Olympic #gold in 27:05.17 despite an early fall.#Athletics#Rio2016pic.twitter.com/HCTx8koDTH
        — IAAF (@iaaforg) August 14, 2016

    13 August 2016
    23:50 GMT

    The US national team has won its 1,000th gold medal in the history of the Summer Olympics with a victory in the women’s 4x100m medley relay. Kathleen Baker, Lilly King, Dana Vollmer and Simone Manuel touched down first at 3.53.13, almost two seconds ahead of Australian team with 3.55.00. Denmark took bronze, clocking in at 3.55.01. The Russian team finished sixth with 3.55.66.

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It is a sports report, and August 14th doesn't claim "that 9/11 was an inside job", it doesn't mention 9/11 at all.

The RT video was re-posted at Youtube on the channel topinfopost on Apr 21, 2016:

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This is a cheap trick by forbiddenknowledgetv.net to dredge up the original RT report again, using a copy of the original RT video, uploaded by "topinfopost" aka "anonews.co" 4 months ago.

The video fails to make any mention of the fact that WTC 7 was built on top of two other buildings of differing height and spanning a road, so was an architectural/structural mess.  It also fails to mention that at temperatures that CAN be achieved by jet fuel, steel doesn't melt but it loses its strength/temper and bends.  It also fails to mention that thermite wouldn't manage to sever all the columns at exactly the same time, so wouldn't bring the building down in its own footprint, or that it would take months to set up.  In other words, the video doesn't try and give a balanced view of the facts.
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Re: Your 9-11 conspiracy thread
« Reply #121 on: August 21, 2016, 05:28:42 PM »

This is a cheap trick by forbiddenknowledgetv.net to dredge up the original RT report again, using a copy of the original RT video, uploaded by "topinfopost" aka "anonews.co" 4 months ago.

The video fails to make any mention of the fact that WTC 7 was built on top of two other buildings of differing height and spanning a road, so was an architectural/structural mess.  It also fails to mention that at temperatures that CAN be achieved by jet fuel, steel doesn't melt but it loses its strength/temper and bends.  It also fails to mention that thermite wouldn't manage to sever all the columns at exactly the same time, so wouldn't bring the building down in its own footprint, or that it would take months to set up.  In other words, the video doesn't try and give a balanced view of the facts.

One wonders why forbiddenknowledge would use a phony URL.

Nothing from you about the merits of the video. Or the likelihood that THREE buildings would fall into their own footprint without benefit of controlled demolition.
WTC7 was hit by nothing, but it too fell into its own footprint, whatever its architectural shortcomings.

OF COURSE the video doesn't give what you might consider a "balanced view." Your so-called balance is all over mass media, and what is by now the official history of the Big Lie.
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Re: Your 9-11 conspiracy thread
« Reply #122 on: August 21, 2016, 06:33:44 PM »
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WTC7 was hit by nothing

I recall that one version of the story is that an engine from one plane that hit WTC-1 or 2 hit WTC-7 on the sixth (?) floor, where the fuel tank for the central heating system was located, and the pumps for the sprinkler system.  I don't remember who gave that version, or whether it fits with "the facts", but it does suggest how there could have been a lot of fuel around and no sprinklers to put the fire out.

The other thing is the question of how big a catastrophe "they" would have had to plan to be big enough to warrant attacking Afghanistan.  Did some people really sit around a table and decide that WTC-1, WTC-2, the Pentagon, and White House wasn't enough, and they needed to blow up WTC-7 as well?  I would have thought that simply intercepting an Al Qaeda terrorist team at the airport would have been enough of an excuse.
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Re: Your 9-11 conspiracy thread
« Reply #123 on: August 22, 2016, 03:53:47 AM »
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WTC7 was hit by nothing

I recall that one version of the story is that an engine from one plane that hit WTC-1 or 2 hit WTC-7 on the sixth (?) floor, where the fuel tank for the central heating system was located, and the pumps for the sprinkler system.  I don't remember who gave that version, or whether it fits with "the facts", but it does suggest how there could have been a lot of fuel around and no sprinklers to put the fire out.

We are told that WTC 7 came down primarily due to fire. Some argue fire was exacerbated by diesel stored on site. This was the first time in history that a steel-framed high-rise had collapsed due to fire. Two TV networks announced the collapse prematurely.

The other thing is the question of how big a catastrophe "they" would have had to plan to be big enough to warrant attacking Afghanistan.  Did some people really sit around a table and decide that WTC-1, WTC-2, the Pentagon, and White House wasn't enough, and they needed to blow up WTC-7 as well?  I would have thought that simply intercepting an Al Qaeda terrorist team at the airport would have been enough of an excuse.

Tenants included Salomon Smith Barney, the Internal Revenue Service, Department of Defense, Central Intelligence Agency. Supposedly The Collapse of WTC 7 resulted in a wholesale loss of documents affecting pending investigations, including Enron.

Interestingly, Mayor Rudy 9-11's Office of Emergency Management command center was located on the 23rd floor. This floor received 15 million dollars worth of renovations, including independent and secure air and water supplies, and bullet and bomb resistant windows. Curious that on the day of the attack, Guiliani and his entourage set up shop in a different HQ, abandoning the special bunker designed precisely for such an event. Just another lucky coincidence.
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What is a Conspiracy Theory? What is the Truth?
« Reply #124 on: August 29, 2016, 03:13:31 PM »
http://www.globalresearch.ca/what-is-a-conspiracy-theory-what-is-the-truth/5429344

What is a Conspiracy Theory? What is the Truth?
By Prof Michel Chossudovsky
Global Research, August 27, 2016
Theme: Media Disinformation


First published in February 2015

Obama is on a hot war footing. Western civilization is allegedly “threatened by the Islamic State”. 

 The “Global War on Terrorism” is  heralded as a humanitarian endeavor.

We have a “Responsibility to Protect”. Humanitarian warfare is the solution.

Evil folks are lurking. ‘Take ‘em out”, said George W. Bush.

The Western media is beating the drums of war. Obama’s military agenda is supported by a vast propaganda apparatus.

One of the main objectives of war propaganda is to “fabricate an enemy”. As the political legitimacy of the Obama Administration falters, doubts regarding the existence of this “outside enemy”, namely Al Qaeda and its network of (CIA sponsored) affiliates  must be dispelled.

The purpose is to tacitly instil, through repeated media reports, ad nauseam, within people’s inner consciousness, the notion that Muslims constitute a threat to the security of the Western World. 

Humanitarian warfare is waged on several fronts: Russia,  China and the Middle East are currently the main targets.

Xenophobia and the Military Agenda

The wave of xenophobia directed against Muslims which has swept across Western Europe is tied into geopolitics. It is part of a military agenda. It consists in demonizing the enemy.

    Muslim countries possess more than 60 percent of total oil reserves.  In contrast, the United States of America has barely 2 percent of total oil reserves. Iraq has five times more oil than the United States. (See Michel Chossudovsky, The “Demonization” of Muslims and the Battle for Oil, Global Research, Jannuary 4, 2007).

A large share of the World’s oil lies in Muslim lands. The objective of the US led war is to steal and appropriate those oil reserves. And to achieve this objective, these countries  are targeted: war, covert ops, economic destabilization, regime change.

The American Inquisition

A consensus building process to wage war is similar to the Spanish inquisition. It requires social subordination, the political consensus cannot be questioned. In its contemporary version, the inquisition requires and demands submission to the notion that war is a means to spreading Western values and democracy.

A good versus evil dichotomy prevails. We must go after the bad guys.

War is peace.

The ‘big lie’ has now becomes the truth … and the truth has become a ‘conspiracy theory’.

Those who are committed to the Truth are categorized as “Terrorists”.

According to Paul Craig Roberts (2011), the conspiracy theory concept “has undergone Orwellian redefinition”…

A “conspiracy theory” no longer means an event explained by a conspiracy.  Instead, it now means any explanation, or even a fact, that is out of step with the government’s explanation and that of its media pimps….

In other words, as truth becomes uncomfortable for government and its Ministry of Propaganda, truth is redefined as conspiracy theory, by which is meant an absurd and laughable explanation that we should ignore.

Fiction becomes fact.

Investigative journalism has been scrapped.

Factual analysis of social, political and economic issues is a conspiracy theory because it challenges a consensus which is based on a lie.

What is the Truth

The real threat to global security emanates from the US-NATO-Israel alliance, yet realities in an inquisitorial environment are turned upside down: the warmongers are committed to peace, the victims of war are presented as the protagonists of war.

The homeland is threatened.

The media, intellectuals, scientists and the politicians, in chorus, obfuscate the unspoken truth, namely that the US-NATO led war destroys humanity.

When the lie becomes the truth there is no turning backwards.

When war is upheld as a humanitarian endeavor, Justice and the entire international legal system are turned upside down: pacifism and the antiwar movement are criminalized. Opposing the war becomes a criminal act. Meanwhile, the war criminals in high office have ordered a witch hunt against those who challenge their authority.

The Big Lie must be exposed for what it is and what it does.

It sanctions the indiscriminate killing of men, women and children.

It destroys families and people. It destroys the commitment of people towards their fellow human beings.

It prevents people from expressing their solidarity for those who suffer. It upholds war and the police state as the sole avenue.

It destroys both nationalism and internationalism.

Breaking the lie means breaking a criminal project of global destruction, in which the quest for profit is the overriding force.

This profit driven military agenda destroys human values and transforms people into unconscious zombies.

Let us reverse the tide.

Challenge the war criminals in high office and the powerful corporate lobby groups which support them.

Break the American inquisition.

Undermine the US-NATO-Israel military crusade.

Close down the weapons factories and the military bases.

Bring home the troops.

Members of the armed forces should disobey orders and refuse to participate in a criminal war.
The original source of this article is Global Research
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Re: What is a Conspiracy Theory? What is the Truth?
« Reply #125 on: August 30, 2016, 03:14:10 AM »
http://www.globalresearch.ca/what-is-a-conspiracy-theory-what-is-the-truth/5429344

What is a Conspiracy Theory? What is the Truth?

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When war is upheld as a humanitarian endeavor, Justice and the entire international legal system are turned upside down: pacifism and the antiwar movement are criminalized. Opposing the war becomes a criminal act. Meanwhile, the war criminals in high office have ordered a witch hunt against those who challenge their authority.

The Big Lie must be exposed for what it is and what it does.

It sanctions the indiscriminate killing of men, women and children.

It destroys families and people. It destroys the commitment of people towards their fellow human beings.

It prevents people from expressing their solidarity for those who suffer. It upholds war and the police state as the sole avenue.

It destroys both nationalism and internationalism.

Breaking the lie means breaking a criminal project of global destruction, in which the quest for profit is the overriding force.

This profit driven military agenda destroys human values and transforms people into unconscious zombies.

Let us reverse the tide.

Challenge the war criminals in high office and the powerful corporate lobby groups which support them.

Break the American inquisition.

Undermine the US-NATO-Israel military crusade.

Close down the weapons factories and the military bases.

Bring home the troops.

Members of the armed forces should disobey orders and refuse to participate in a criminal war.

One of his best ever.
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9-11 Toronto Hearings: Video Trailer: 10 years of Deception
« Reply #126 on: September 10, 2016, 05:38:29 PM »
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9/11 and the Global War on Terrorism: Michel Chossudovsky
« Reply #127 on: September 10, 2016, 10:24:35 PM »
Hard to believe 15 years have past since 9-11.   I was still trucking then, on the road in TN when I heard about it on the radio while in a rest stop on the I-40.  I drove up the road a ways to a truckstop, pretty much just in time to see the Towers come crashing down, although it may have been video repeats by the time I got there, not sure. It was a Love's Truckstop as I recall.

Life over the road changed drastically after that day.  Freight dropped off the map, there were random stops on the roads, and yours truly had an assault rifle pointed at him at the Canadian border.

I doubt we will ever have the real answers to this, anymore than we will ever have the real answers to the JFK assassination.  But it will certainly remain a topic of debate until the Internet Goes Dark.  This one has legs!

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Video: 9/11 and the Global War on Terrorism: Michel Chossudovsky on GRTV
By Prof Michel Chossudovsky and James Corbett
Global Research, September 10, 2016
Region: USA
Theme: 9/11 & 'War on Terrorism'

As we reach the 15th anniversary of 9/11, the establishment is attempting to derail 9/11 truth with disinformation about Saudi Arabia.

But as Prof Michel Chossudovsky of Global Research  points out, if we ever hope to derail the never-ending war on terror, we must be absolutely clear that neither Al Qaeda nor Saudi Arabia could have pulled off the attacks of that day.
“The tragic events of September 11, 2001 constitute a fundamental landmark in American history,  a decisive watershed, a breaking point.
Millions of people have been misled regarding the causes and consequences of 9/11.
9/11 marks the onslaught of the “Global War on Terrorism” (GWOT), used as a pretext and a justification by the US and its NATO allies to carry out a “war without borders”, a global war of conquest. 
A far-reaching overhaul of US military doctrine was launched in the wake of 9/11.
9/11 was also a stepping stone towards the relentless repeal of civil liberties, the militarization of law enforcement and the inauguration of “Police State USA”.

Michel Chossudovsky, 15 Years later, September 10, 2016

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Re: Your 9-11 conspiracy thread
« Reply #128 on: August 04, 2017, 07:58:09 PM »
Reanteben,
The issue of all the details as to how the buildings were brought down is certainly worth study. Architects and Engineers for 911 are doing just that.



However, I agree with Surly1 on this:
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On one thing we can probably agree: that 9-11 was indeed PNAC's coveted "New Pearl Harbor," which led to total war on the Bill of Rights and the common people of the FSA. Would that the Fourth Amendment had as well-organized and well-funded a defense lobby as the Second.

Since your father was CIA, have you asked him what he thinks?
Was your father in field operations or based at Langley doing analysis?
The CIA is highly compartmentalized and operates on the "Need to know" principle so, unless your father was in a foreign country doing field work for the Directorate of Operations, he would not be any more knowledgeable about 9/11 than the average citizen. Then again, if he knew something that compromised the "company" (inside parlance for the CIA), he would never tell you. That's just the way they operate. Read "Neck Deep" by Robert Parry for some CIA modus operandi background. :(

While we are on the subject of 911, I'd like to mention a deliberate distraction that was put out there when people began questioning the wacky conspiracy theory the gooberment and media were shoving down our throats (19 punks with single engine Cessna flying skills did the whole caper).

A team of propagandists put out the bullshit that there were NO aircraft hitting the buildings. They claimed what we saw were holograms. They ran a credible scam but, like a magician, they made people look in the wrong place so as to confuse the issue. When someone wants you to "look" with just your eyes, you get fooled as long as you don't "look" with any other senses. It was really quite clever. People had figured out that the planes DID NOT bring down those towers.

So-o-o-o the propagandists, in an attempt to discredit the people alleging that the twin towers were destroyed by explosives, not airplanes, made the ridiculous argument that there were NO AIRPLANES!


Reapeat after me: That's a hologram, not an airplane, you are getting very sleepy. When you awake you will remember that Slavery is Freedom

Of course there was an army of naysayers on the internet saying how the Arab baddies were out to get us and doubting the gooberment was treason or "unpatriotic". The line about "we must trust the government because Bush and Cheney know things we don't" by people like Pat Boone was echoed throughout the internet as well. The propagandists were working the "problem" of people out there using critical thinking skills from several directions.

When I read the hologram hypothesis, I thought about it. I fell in to the trap because I watched those buildings come down like they were riding a down elevator. It was obvious the aircraft didn't do that because the top parts would have fallen asymmetrically rather than in their footprint. As a matter of fact, the first building DID lurch a little (about 15 feet) to one side before it came down minutes later. I believe the boyz running the charges from building seven said we better bring this sucker down NOW before the top 20 something floors or so lurch off to the side and take out some buildings we don't want taken out.

Back to the hologram hypothesis. I saw the accidental 911 documentary from the French Camera team that had been working with some Fire Department nearby. They heard the noise and filmed the first impact. Then it hit me. The NOISE. Sound waves from a moving jet aircraft produce a Doppler effect. It is impossible for a hologram to generate a Doppler effect ALL OVER NEW YORK CITY. Sure, you can do it in a movie theater but that was not a movie theater. Just as you hear the sound pitch of an approaching object climb, so you hear it descend as the Doppler effect spaces the sound waves farther and farther apart. You can clearly here the sound of the engines of a jet moving AWAY from the camera's position as it approaches the building.

The hologram hypothesis is disinformation and FURTHER PROOF that the oil oligarchy that runs the USA will spend money, a lot of money, to pull the wool over people's eyes.

Reanteben, it has been 11 years. There is only one thing you or anyone else needs to ask about 9/11.

CUI BONO?
I agree with Surly1 as to who benefited.

thanks, agelbert.
in the dustification thread I posted a video of the top of tower 2 clearly falling outside of the outer walls

(before dustifying), which is contrary to what you stated. why don't you check it out (again?) and tell me what you see:






http://www.doomsteaddiner.org/forum/index.php?topic=277.msg1915#msg1915

what do you think of my physical analysis in the thread, including the plane-into-building  dynamicI consider it CFS but i'd prefer to be stood corrected because i'd rather the Conduits fail than the permanent oligarchy parlay their shit into a hunger games control system (HGCS).

my conception of the hologram theory (which i'm open to) is inclusive of the doppler effect heard in the frenchy documentary (illuminati mockumentary?  check out this article by dirdy birdy's alter:  http://www.serendipity.li/wot/naudet/raphael.htm) because the a missile with 3D projectors would also create a doppler effect. so what was it, exactly, that caused you to dismiss it as disinfo? what makes the hologram theory disinfo, in order to discredit by association the architects and engineers, as you suggest, instead of the architects and engineers narrative being disinfo so as to discredit the hologram theory? it seems to me that steering people away from ZPE weaponry would be more important than steering them away from conventional weaponry, because it's not like 40pc or whatever of the domestic pop aren't already disbelieving the warren commission 2.0. know what i'm saying?

 

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