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USS Fitzgerald Thread
« on: June 23, 2017, 10:01:12 PM »
I'be been trawling through a lot of YouTube videos on theories of why there was a collision with ACX Crystal.
There is a lot of absolute BS on YT, but comments by ex-Navy Helmsmen and other sailors all say something is wrong with the story.
First of all, if the Captain is not on the bridge, one of 4 Officers of the Watch are, ALWAYS - penalty: court-martial. He gives orders to the Helmsman.
24/7 there are ALWAYS 4 Watchmen, Fore, AFT, Port, Starboard, with binoculars, range-finders and night-vision googles, keeping watch and in permanent contact with the OoW.
Also there are bunch of radars giving position, speed, course, vessels in range, collision possibilities and solutions with 10 sailors always monitoring them and an Officer in Charge, who has direct contact with OoW.
Also everything is networked to the Carrier Group (USS Ronald Regan) in real time, so they ALL know where everybody is and what everybody is doing.

Under such circumstances, especially with the heightened tensions with NK, it should be IMPOSSIBLE that a collision happens and they can't give a full account of what happened within an hour.

The container ship had a vessel transponder on board which reports in position, speed and course every few minutes.  MarineTraffic.com collects the data and makes it available on its website.  But the output map is very cluttered and messy and some of the functions don't work if you are not subscribed to the service.  Warships don't feed data to the system.  So this is a clearer map of the container ship's course and the detailed unclear one:





You can see that the ship passes south of the mainland it makes a gradual turn to pass south of Oshima Island.
Then it makes an abrupt turn to starboard,  presumably to avoid something, and then an abrupt turn to port resuming course.
Then after 30 minutes it does a u-turn and returns to where the "something" was, turns round again, and eventually resumes course.
The ship is definitely NOT on auto pilot, and the warship NEVER is.

It is only then, at 02:25 that it radios in that a collision "has just happened" to the Japanese coastguard.
Later this timing is changed by the Japanese Coastguard to an hour earlier, but US Navy sticks with 02:20. WTF?

What else do we know for CERTAIN ? Well the Fitzgerald would have been followed by enemy submarines, Russian for sure, Chinese and North Korean probably, with South Korean and Japanese possibly.  It would also have been towing sonar gear to try to detect them.

Maybe they were hacked/disabled by a submarine and were dead in the water, causing the container ship to run them down, at 01:30, then it carried on and was called back to the scene.  It will be very interesting the see the Fitzgerald's track.  Whatever, the whole thing is recorded on multiple ships logs, so will eventually come to light. But why so secretive about it?

Why did the container ship return to the "something" it managed to avoid  an hour earlier?  Maybe the collision happened earlier and it was required to return to exhange insurance details and join in the search for "man overboard" (of which it turned out there were none). They would be in danger of "hit and run" charges with US Navy otherwise.
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Re: USS Fitzgerald Thread
« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2017, 10:33:53 PM »
As you fill in some more details, I will compile and publish it as a Blog article.

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Re: USS Fitzgerald Thread
« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2017, 01:12:41 PM »
Very interesting. Maybe some sophisticated hacks?

Was there a moon that night?  As you know, it can get very dark out there, and human eyes are limited. Ten men on radar, and none of them sees a big container ship bearing down? I'm not a big believer in the abilities of night vision devices at sea. It's radar that keeps ships from hitting each other.

The path of the container ship looks very odd, doesn't it?
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Re: USS Fitzgerald Thread
« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2017, 06:55:11 PM »
The only facts I can add are:

ACX Crystal was doing 34.5 knots before the incident started, which is at least double what I would have thought they would do when entering the Tokyo Bay melee.

from the point where the ACX Crystal has returned to the point where it takes off a second time, the speed was about 3-6 knots roughly northward, which indicates there are searching for man overboard for about 3 hours. 

In fact the men were in the lower damaged part of the ship, behind locked water-tight bulkheads.  This sounds appalling but is standard practice to save the ship.  Maybe it is also standard navy practice to do "man overboard" when "all hands on deck" reveals someone missing.

The Captain was in bed (not a problem if he has appointed an Officer of the Watch), and his bedroom was smash by the collision and he was injured.

The radio room was also smashed by the collision, requiring alternative radios to be used.

I think you can make out a case for no one being to blame, but for the lack of communications between the radar monitoring room and the bridge.
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