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Re: Things That Make Me Say, "Dafuq?"
« Reply #210 on: September 15, 2018, 03:10:00 PM »
Father & Son go snoopin' around at the solar observatory in Nm.

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Why the FBI Mysteriously Closed That New Mexico Observatory
« Reply #211 on: September 17, 2018, 10:18:47 AM »
Time to tune up a chorus of, "Yeah, that's what they WANT you to believe..."

Why the FBI Mysteriously Closed That New Mexico Observatory
An observatory in New Mexico was mysteriously closed this month while the FBI investigated and now we know why. No, it wasn't aliens.




For the past two weeks, an observatory in New Mexico has drawn worldwide attention, but not because of its research. Since September 6, the Sunspot Solar Observatory has beenclosed and evacuated for mysterious reasons, with FBI agents and a Blackhawk helicopter seen patrolling the site.

Both the FBI and the agency that manages the observatory, the Association of Universities for Research in Astronomy (AURA), refused to comment on the nature of the shutdown at the time, beyond saying it was a "security issue." Due to the scientific nature of the facility, speculation ranged from the first detection of alien life to some covert operation.

Finally, AURA has released a statement clarifying, in part, the reason for the closure. And while it's less exciting than the most outlandish theories, at least it's an answer. According to the organization, the observatory was closed due to “criminal activity” on the premises.From a press release:

“AURA has been cooperating with an on-going law enforcement investigation of criminal activity that occurred at Sacramento Peak. During this time, we became concerned that a suspect in the investigation potentially posed a threat to the safety of local staff and residents. For this reason, AURA temporarily vacated the facility and ceased science activities at this location.”

AURA also gives an answer for why it was so tight-lipped, even though no aliens were involved:

“We recognize that the lack of communications while the facility was vacated was concerning and frustrating for some. However, our desire to provide additional information had to be balanced against the risk that, if spread at the time, the news would alert the suspect and impede the law enforcement investigation. That was a risk we could not take.”

According to the release, the emergency is over and the observatory is re-opening later this week.
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Re: Why the FBI Mysteriously Closed That New Mexico Observatory
« Reply #212 on: September 17, 2018, 02:23:38 PM »
Time to tune up a chorus of, "Yeah, that's what they WANT you to believe..."

Why the FBI Mysteriously Closed That New Mexico Observatory
An observatory in New Mexico was mysteriously closed this month while the FBI investigated and now we know why. No, it wasn't aliens.




For the past two weeks, an observatory in New Mexico has drawn worldwide attention, but not because of its research. Since September 6, the Sunspot Solar Observatory has beenclosed and evacuated for mysterious reasons, with FBI agents and a Blackhawk helicopter seen patrolling the site.

Both the FBI and the agency that manages the observatory, the Association of Universities for Research in Astronomy (AURA), refused to comment on the nature of the shutdown at the time, beyond saying it was a "security issue." Due to the scientific nature of the facility, speculation ranged from the first detection of alien life to some covert operation.

Finally, AURA has released a statement clarifying, in part, the reason for the closure. And while it's less exciting than the most outlandish theories, at least it's an answer. According to the organization, the observatory was closed due to “criminal activity” on the premises.From a press release:

“AURA has been cooperating with an on-going law enforcement investigation of criminal activity that occurred at Sacramento Peak. During this time, we became concerned that a suspect in the investigation potentially posed a threat to the safety of local staff and residents. For this reason, AURA temporarily vacated the facility and ceased science activities at this location.”

AURA also gives an answer for why it was so tight-lipped, even though no aliens were involved:

“We recognize that the lack of communications while the facility was vacated was concerning and frustrating for some. However, our desire to provide additional information had to be balanced against the risk that, if spread at the time, the news would alert the suspect and impede the law enforcement investigation. That was a risk we could not take.”

According to the release, the emergency is over and the observatory is re-opening later this week.



I'm throwing the bullshit flag here.....

6 other observatories GLOBALLY shut down as well.
Must be a rash of boogey-men trolling solar observatories. C'mon man (FBI)
I know exactly what you mean. Let me tell you why you’re here. You’re here because you know something. What you know you can’t explain, but you feel it. You’ve felt it your entire life, that there’s something wrong with the world.
You don’t know what it is but its there, like a splinter in your mind

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Re: Why the FBI Mysteriously Closed That New Mexico Observatory
« Reply #213 on: September 17, 2018, 03:11:25 PM »
Time to tune up a chorus of, "Yeah, that's what they WANT you to believe..."

Why the FBI Mysteriously Closed That New Mexico Observatory
An observatory in New Mexico was mysteriously closed this month while the FBI investigated and now we know why. No, it wasn't aliens.




For the past two weeks, an observatory in New Mexico has drawn worldwide attention, but not because of its research. Since September 6, the Sunspot Solar Observatory has beenclosed and evacuated for mysterious reasons, with FBI agents and a Blackhawk helicopter seen patrolling the site.

Both the FBI and the agency that manages the observatory, the Association of Universities for Research in Astronomy (AURA), refused to comment on the nature of the shutdown at the time, beyond saying it was a "security issue." Due to the scientific nature of the facility, speculation ranged from the first detection of alien life to some covert operation.

Finally, AURA has released a statement clarifying, in part, the reason for the closure. And while it's less exciting than the most outlandish theories, at least it's an answer. According to the organization, the observatory was closed due to “criminal activity” on the premises.From a press release:

“AURA has been cooperating with an on-going law enforcement investigation of criminal activity that occurred at Sacramento Peak. During this time, we became concerned that a suspect in the investigation potentially posed a threat to the safety of local staff and residents. For this reason, AURA temporarily vacated the facility and ceased science activities at this location.”

AURA also gives an answer for why it was so tight-lipped, even though no aliens were involved:

“We recognize that the lack of communications while the facility was vacated was concerning and frustrating for some. However, our desire to provide additional information had to be balanced against the risk that, if spread at the time, the news would alert the suspect and impede the law enforcement investigation. That was a risk we could not take.”

According to the release, the emergency is over and the observatory is re-opening later this week.



I'm throwing the bullshit flag here.....

6 other observatories GLOBALLY shut down as well.
Must be a rash of boogey-men trolling solar observatories. C'mon man (FBI)

You may well be right. Popular Mechanics is just the official version. It may really be about all those massive objects parked off Jupiter.
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Re: Why the FBI Mysteriously Closed That New Mexico Observatory
« Reply #214 on: September 21, 2018, 01:06:01 PM »
Time to tune up a chorus of, "Yeah, that's what they WANT you to believe..."

Why the FBI Mysteriously Closed That New Mexico Observatory
An observatory in New Mexico was mysteriously closed this month while the FBI investigated and now we know why. No, it wasn't aliens.




For the past two weeks, an observatory in New Mexico has drawn worldwide attention, but not because of its research. Since September 6, the Sunspot Solar Observatory has beenclosed and evacuated for mysterious reasons, with FBI agents and a Blackhawk helicopter seen patrolling the site.

Both the FBI and the agency that manages the observatory, the Association of Universities for Research in Astronomy (AURA), refused to comment on the nature of the shutdown at the time, beyond saying it was a "security issue." Due to the scientific nature of the facility, speculation ranged from the first detection of alien life to some covert operation.

Finally, AURA has released a statement clarifying, in part, the reason for the closure. And while it's less exciting than the most outlandish theories, at least it's an answer. According to the organization, the observatory was closed due to “criminal activity” on the premises.From a press release:

“AURA has been cooperating with an on-going law enforcement investigation of criminal activity that occurred at Sacramento Peak. During this time, we became concerned that a suspect in the investigation potentially posed a threat to the safety of local staff and residents. For this reason, AURA temporarily vacated the facility and ceased science activities at this location.”

AURA also gives an answer for why it was so tight-lipped, even though no aliens were involved:

“We recognize that the lack of communications while the facility was vacated was concerning and frustrating for some. However, our desire to provide additional information had to be balanced against the risk that, if spread at the time, the news would alert the suspect and impede the law enforcement investigation. That was a risk we could not take.”

According to the release, the emergency is over and the observatory is re-opening later this week.



I'm throwing the bullshit flag here.....

6 other observatories GLOBALLY shut down as well.
Must be a rash of boogey-men trolling solar observatories. C'mon man (FBI)

You may well be right. Popular Mechanics is just the official version. It may really be about all those massive objects parked off Jupiter.



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You don’t know what it is but its there, like a splinter in your mind

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Re: Things That Make Me Say, "Dafuq?"
« Reply #215 on: September 28, 2018, 10:19:34 AM »
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You don’t know what it is but its there, like a splinter in your mind

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Re: Things That Make Me Say, "Dafuq?"
« Reply #216 on: October 01, 2018, 10:39:18 AM »
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What percent of Americans are rational?
« Reply #217 on: October 16, 2018, 03:50:55 AM »
What percent of Americans are rational?

What percent of Americans are rational?

Preface. Why does rationality matter — what’s the harm in believing there’s a fat old “Santa Claus” God in the sky noting down every time you’re naughty or nice on trillions of inhabited planets in the universe every second of the day, and has been for trillions of years? There’s no harm at all, people have always believed odd things.

But that’s not always true. Evangelists are trying to force the rest of us to see the world their way and voting for totally irrational people. They and others who can’t tell fake from real news and believe in conspiracy theories threaten Democracy and consequences could be as high as launching nuclear weapons.

For example, 81% of evangelicals voted for Trump and they are 26% of voters. No other religious or non-religious group delivered as many votes to Trump: 42 million (mainstream Christians 27.8 million, white Catholics 16.8 million). And this despite knowing he stiffed thousands of workers, grabbed women’s asses, hung out with gangsters, which should have resulted in losing his casino license, laundered money for the Russian mafia, and much more (Johnson 2016).

Andersen (2017) estimates that only a third of us are more or less solidly reality-based.

The polls below show Andersen may be too kind. One poll concludes that only 27% of us are rational.

It may be even less than that, because there isn’t any survey that covers paranormal, supernatural, and basic knowledge of the world. For example, the National Science Foundation survey of basic knowledge of the world found that 26% of Americans think the sun revolves around the Earth, and only 48% in evolution — that human beings developed from earlier species of animals.

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What percent of Americans are rational?

In a really strict sense none of us are 100% rational due to cognitive biases, framing effects, fallacies and so on (wiki lists over 250 of these). To be human is to be irrational. But we’re all capable of improving our critical thinking skills and our understanding of the world.

So I’ll stick with the paranormal, pseudoscience, scientific knowledge, and conspiracy beliefs.

A Gallup poll in 2005 found that “Three in four Americans believe in Paranormal”, and found that 73% believe in one or more of these: ESP, Haunted Houses, Ghosts, Telepathy, Clairvoyance, Astrology, communication with the dead is possible, Witches, reincarnation, Channeling. Only 27% of Americans thought none of them were true.

And it might have been even lower if irrational beliefs had been expanded to include conspiracy theories, scientific understanding, evolution, climate change, creationism, the Devil, Hell, angels, miracles, and other beliefs.

Paranormal and supernatural beliefs. 

Multiple numbers reflect results from several surveys:

  1. Angels: 77%, 72%, 72% 88% of Christians, 95% of evangelical Christians
  2. Astrology: 25%, 26%, 29%
  3. Channeling: 9%
  4. Civil war wasn’t about slavery but states’ rights: 48%
  5. Climate Change not due to man-made activities: 40%
  6. Clairvoyance: 26%
  7. Communication with the dead is possible: 21%
  8. Creationism: 36%
  9. Devil: 61%, 60%, 58%
  10. ESP: 41%
  11. Ghosts: 34%, 42%, 42%
  12. Haunted Houses: 37%
  13. Heaven: 71%, 75%
  14. Hell: 64%, 61%
  15. Jesus born of a virgin: 73%, 61%, 57%
  16. Jesus is God or son of God: 73%, 68%
  17. Jesus’s resurrection: 70%, 65%
  18. Life after death: 71%, 64%
  19. Miracles: 76%, 72%
  20. Reincarnation: 21%, 20%, 24%
  21. Sun revolves around the Earth: 25%
  22. Telepathy: 31%
  23. UFOs: 34%, 32%, 36%, extraterrestrial beings have visited 24%
  24. Vaccines cause autism: 56%
  25. Witches: 21%, 23%, 26%

Conspiracy theories (Chapman 2016)

So what is a conspiracy theory? It’s (1) a group (2) acting in secret (3) to alter institutions, usurp power, hide truth, or gain utility (4) at the expense of the common good.

There’s no way to stereotype people who believe conspiracy theories, they exist across gender, age, race, income, political affiliation, educational level and occupational status.

Education makes a difference though. 42% of those without a high school diploma had a high predisposition to conspiracies. A much lower, but still shockingly high 23% of those with postgraduate degrees also had a high disposition for conspiratorial beliefs (Uscinski 2014).

Only 26% of Americans disagreed with all 9 conspiracy theories below, and 33% even believed in a made-up conspiracy researchers called “The North Dakota Crash”. The percent who said that the government is concealing what they know about….

  1. The 9/11 attacks 54.3%
  2. The JFK assassination 49.6%
  3. Alien encounters 42.6%
  4. Global warming 42.1%
  5. Plans for a one world government 32.9%
  6. Obama’s birth certificate shows he’s a foreigner 30.2%
  7. The origin of the AIDs virus 20.1%
  8. Death of supreme court justice Scalia 27.8%
  9. The moon landing 24.2%

People who believed in the highest number of conspiracies are also more likely to believe that “The World Will End in My Lifetime” (uh-oh, those evangelists again), as well as more likely to be fearful of government, less trusting of other people, and more likely to take actions such as buying a gun to overcome their fears.

National Science Foundation Questions 2014

The questions below are followed by correct answer and the percent who got it right:

  1. The center of the Earth is very hot. True 84%
  2. The continents have been moving their location for millions of years and will continue to move. True 83%
  3. Does the Earth go around the sun, or does the sun go around the Earth? Earth around sun 74%
  4. All radioactivity is man-made. True or false? False 72%
  5. Electrons are smaller than atoms. True or false? True 53%
  6. Lasers work by focusing sound waves. True or false? False 47%
  7. The universe began with a huge explosion. True or false? True 39%
  8. It’s the father’s gene that decides whether the baby is a boy or girl. True or false? True 63%
  9. Antibiotics kill viruses as well as bacteria. True or false? False 51%
  10. Human beings, as we know them today, developed from earlier species of animals. True or false? True 48%

Not surprisingly, the higher the education level the greater the number of correct answers.

The world

Below is a poll of over 17,000 adults all over the world (Ipsos 2017) asking if they think that Religion does more harm in the world than good.  In my opinion, YES, DOES MORE HARM is a sign of rationality.If you do too, then the rational nations are: Belgium, Germany, Spain, Australia, India, Sweden, Great Britain, France, Canada, Hungary, Argentina, Poland, Italy, Serbia, Mexico, and Turkey. All of these 15 nations who scored higher than the U.S. But congratulations to the 44% of Americans who answered correctly.

Related Posts:

Critical Thinking

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Surveys, references

Andersen, K. 2017. Fantasyland. How America Went Haywire. A 500-Year History. Random House.

AP / GFK. December 8-12, 2011. Poll in 2011. Associated Press. 1,000 interviews. Error: +/- 4%

Baylor. 2017. American values, mental health, and using technology in the age of trump. Baylor religion survey.

Chapman. October 11, 2016. What aren’t they telling us? Chapman University Survey of American Fears.

Gallup. 2005. Paranormal beliefs come (Super)naturally to some.

Gallup. 2005. Three in Four Americans believe in Paranormal.

Gallup. 2016. Most Americans still believe in God.

Harris Poll. 2009. What People Do and do not believe in.

Harris Poll. 2013. What do Americans Believe?

IPSOS. July 2017. Ipsos global poll: Two in three Australians think religion does more harm than good in the world.

Johnson, D. 2016. The Making of Donald Trump. Penguin.

National Science Foundation. 2015. Belief in the Paranormal or pseudoscience. Science and technology: public attitudes and public understand.

Politico. August 3, 2017. How the CIA Came to Doubt the Official Story of JFK’s Murder Newly released documents from long-secret Kennedy assassination files raise startling questions about what top agency officials knew and when they knew it. Politico.com.

Reardon 2016. Reardon, S. October 18, 2016. The scientists who support Donald Trump. Nature.

Uscinski, J.E., et al. 2014. American Conspiracy Theories. Oxford University Press.

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Re: What percent of Americans are rational?
« Reply #218 on: October 16, 2018, 01:13:13 PM »
What percent of Americans are rational?

What percent of Americans are rational?

Preface. Why does rationality matter — what’s the harm in believing there’s a fat old “Santa Claus” God in the sky noting down every time you’re naughty or nice on trillions of inhabited planets in the universe every second of the day, and has been for trillions of years? There’s no harm at all, people have always believed odd things.

But that’s not always true. Evangelists are trying to force the rest of us to see the world their way and voting for totally irrational people. They and others who can’t tell fake from real news and believe in conspiracy theories threaten Democracy and consequences could be as high as launching nuclear weapons.

For example, 81% of evangelicals voted for Trump and they are 26% of voters. No other religious or non-religious group delivered as many votes to Trump: 42 million (mainstream Christians 27.8 million, white Catholics 16.8 million). And this despite knowing he stiffed thousands of workers, grabbed women’s asses, hung out with gangsters, which should have resulted in losing his casino license, laundered money for the Russian mafia, and much more (Johnson 2016).

Andersen (2017) estimates that only a third of us are more or less solidly reality-based.

The polls below show Andersen may be too kind. One poll concludes that only 27% of us are rational.

It may be even less than that, because there isn’t any survey that covers paranormal, supernatural, and basic knowledge of the world. For example, the National Science Foundation survey of basic knowledge of the world found that 26% of Americans think the sun revolves around the Earth, and only 48% in evolution — that human beings developed from earlier species of animals.

Alice Friedemann [url=http://www.energyskeptic.com]www.energyskeptic.com[/url] author of “When Trucks Stop Running: Energy and the Future of Transportation”, 2015, Springer and “Crunch! Whole Grain Artisan Chips and Crackers”. Podcasts: Derrick Jensen, Practical Prepping, KunstlerCast 253, KunstlerCast278, Peak Prosperity , XX2 report ]

What percent of Americans are rational?

In a really strict sense none of us are 100% rational due to cognitive biases, framing effects, fallacies and so on (wiki lists over 250 of these). To be human is to be irrational. But we’re all capable of improving our critical thinking skills and our understanding of the world.

So I’ll stick with the paranormal, pseudoscience, scientific knowledge, and conspiracy beliefs.

A Gallup poll in 2005 found that “Three in four Americans believe in Paranormal”, and found that 73% believe in one or more of these: ESP, Haunted Houses, Ghosts, Telepathy, Clairvoyance, Astrology, communication with the dead is possible, Witches, reincarnation, Channeling. Only 27% of Americans thought none of them were true.

And it might have been even lower if irrational beliefs had been expanded to include conspiracy theories, scientific understanding, evolution, climate change, creationism, the Devil, Hell, angels, miracles, and other beliefs.

Paranormal and supernatural beliefs.

Multiple numbers reflect results from several surveys:

  1. Angels: 77%, 72%, 72% 88% of Christians, 95% of evangelical Christians
  2. Astrology: 25%, 26%, 29%
  3. Channeling: 9%
  4. Civil war wasn’t about slavery but states’ rights: 48%
  5. Climate Change not due to man-made activities: 40%
  6. Clairvoyance: 26%
  7. Communication with the dead is possible: 21%
  8. Creationism: 36%
  9. Devil: 61%, 60%, 58%
  10. ESP: 41%
  11. Ghosts: 34%, 42%, 42%
  12. Haunted Houses: 37%
  13. Heaven: 71%, 75%
  14. Hell: 64%, 61%
  15. Jesus born of a virgin: 73%, 61%, 57%
  16. Jesus is God or son of God: 73%, 68%
  17. Jesus’s resurrection: 70%, 65%
  18. Life after death: 71%, 64%
  19. Miracles: 76%, 72%
  20. Reincarnation: 21%, 20%, 24%
  21. Sun revolves around the Earth: 25%
  22. Telepathy: 31%
  23. UFOs: 34%, 32%, 36%, extraterrestrial beings have visited 24%
  24. Vaccines cause autism: 56%
  25. Witches: 21%, 23%, 26%

Conspiracy theories (Chapman 2016)

So what is a conspiracy theory? It’s (1) a group (2) acting in secret (3) to alter institutions, usurp power, hide truth, or gain utility (4) at the expense of the common good.

There’s no way to stereotype people who believe conspiracy theories, they exist across gender, age, race, income, political affiliation, educational level and occupational status.

Education makes a difference though. 42% of those without a high school diploma had a high predisposition to conspiracies. A much lower, but still shockingly high 23% of those with postgraduate degrees also had a high disposition for conspiratorial beliefs (Uscinski 2014).

Only 26% of Americans disagreed with all 9 conspiracy theories below, and 33% even believed in a made-up conspiracy researchers called “The North Dakota Crash”. The percent who said that the government is concealing what they know about….

  1. The 9/11 attacks 54.3%
  2. The JFK assassination 49.6%
  3. Alien encounters 42.6%
  4. Global warming 42.1%
  5. Plans for a one world government 32.9%
  6. Obama’s birth certificate shows he’s a foreigner 30.2%
  7. The origin of the AIDs virus 20.1%
  8. Death of supreme court justice Scalia 27.8%
  9. The moon landing 24.2%

People who believed in the highest number of conspiracies are also more likely to believe that “The World Will End in My Lifetime” (uh-oh, those evangelists again), as well as more likely to be fearful of government, less trusting of other people, and more likely to take actions such as buying a gun to overcome their fears.

National Science Foundation Questions 2014

The questions below are followed by correct answer and the percent who got it right:

  1. The center of the Earth is very hot. True 84%
  2. The continents have been moving their location for millions of years and will continue to move. True 83%
  3. Does the Earth go around the sun, or does the sun go around the Earth? Earth around sun 74%
  4. All radioactivity is man-made. True or false? False 72%
  5. Electrons are smaller than atoms. True or false? True 53%
  6. Lasers work by focusing sound waves. True or false? False 47%
  7. The universe began with a huge explosion. True or false? True 39%
  8. It’s the father’s gene that decides whether the baby is a boy or girl. True or false? True 63%
  9. Antibiotics kill viruses as well as bacteria. True or false? False 51%
  10. Human beings, as we know them today, developed from earlier species of animals. True or false? True 48%

Not surprisingly, the higher the education level the greater the number of correct answers.

The world

Below is a poll of over 17,000 adults all over the world (Ipsos 2017) asking if they think that Religion does more harm in the world than good. In my opinion, YES, DOES MORE HARM is a sign of rationality.If you do too, then the rational nations are: Belgium, Germany, Spain, Australia, India, Sweden, Great Britain, France, Canada, Hungary, Argentina, Poland, Italy, Serbia, Mexico, and Turkey. All of these 15 nations who scored higher than the U.S. But congratulations to the 44% of Americans who answered correctly.

Related Posts:

Critical Thinking

Posts showing good critical thinking

Surveys, references

Andersen, K. 2017. Fantasyland. How America Went Haywire. A 500-Year History. Random House.

AP / GFK. December 8-12, 2011. Poll in 2011. Associated Press. 1,000 interviews. Error: +/- 4%

Baylor. 2017. American values, mental health, and using technology in the age of trump. Baylor religion survey.

Chapman. October 11, 2016. What aren’t they telling us? Chapman University Survey of American Fears.

Gallup. 2005. Paranormal beliefs come (Super)naturally to some.

Gallup. 2005. Three in Four Americans believe in Paranormal.

Gallup. 2016. Most Americans still believe in God.

Harris Poll. 2009. What People Do and do not believe in.

Harris Poll. 2013. What do Americans Believe?

IPSOS. July 2017. Ipsos global poll: Two in three Australians think religion does more harm than good in the world.

Johnson, D. 2016. The Making of Donald Trump. Penguin.

National Science Foundation. 2015. Belief in the Paranormal or pseudoscience. Science and technology: public attitudes and public understand.

Politico. August 3, 2017. How the CIA Came to Doubt the Official Story of JFK’s Murder Newly released documents from long-secret Kennedy assassination files raise startling questions about what top agency officials knew and when they knew it. Politico.com.

Reardon 2016. Reardon, S. October 18, 2016. The scientists who support Donald Trump. Nature.

Uscinski, J.E., et al. 2014. American Conspiracy Theories. Oxford University Press.



Paranormal and supernatural beliefs.
Multiple numbers reflect results from several surveys:

Angels: 77%, 72%, 72% 88% of Christians, 95% of evangelical Christians
Astrology: 25%, 26%, 29%
Channeling: 9%
Civil war wasn’t about slavery but states’ rights: 48%
Climate Change not due to man-made activities: 40%
Clairvoyance: 26%
Communication with the dead is possible: 21%
Creationism: 36%
Devil: 61%, 60%, 58%
ESP: 41%
Ghosts: 34%, 42%, 42%
Haunted Houses: 37%
Heaven: 71%, 75%
Hell: 64%, 61%
Jesus born of a virgin: 73%, 61%, 57%
Jesus is God or son of God: 73%, 68%
Jesus’s resurrection: 70%, 65%
Life after death: 71%, 64%
Miracles: 76%, 72%
Reincarnation: 21%, 20%, 24%
Sun revolves around the Earth: 25%
Telepathy: 31%
UFOs: 34%, 32%, 36%, extraterrestrial beings have visited 24%
Vaccines cause autism: 56%
Witches: 21%, 23%, 26%

Believing that the Civil War was about states rights is not a belief in the supernatural.

Here's a way for you to test it. Do this......try to form a State Militia that isn't the National Guard (you know, the way the Constitution guarantees you the right to do in Article I, Section 8, and Article II, section 2 ?) and see if states rights have changed much since 1789.

The idea that states had rights the federal government could not take away was a very widely held belief before the Civil War....and afterward all the important ones went away. Now all "rights" are handed down from the top, and they appear to me be far from inalienable. This outcome of the Civil War affects citizens of all ethnicities, btw.

So how anyone can say that the Civil War was NOT about states rights is beyond my reckoning, and I claim to be FAIRLY rational, most of the time. To those who say the war was about slavery, let me remind you that slavery WAS a states right issue. It isn't an either/or proposition at all, it's just reframed that way to make Southerners out to be more racist than they are (which is racist enough without it.) That's what bothers me.

This whole argument about "what the Civil War was fought over" is mostly antics with semantics. The history is what it is. If you want to know, then educate yourself. The statement above, often repeated these days, is like a Trump Tweet. If enough people repeat it, then a lot of people believe it, and then the real history is no longer important. Especially since nobody knows much about anything now that happened before 1999 anyway.

Several other things on this list don't pass my sniff test either.

Witches?  In the '90's somebody did a survey that showed the Wiccan group was the fastest growing religion in America.

Clairvoyance?  Ever hear of Edgar Cayce? How much documentation do you need? They recorded 15,000 cases.

Telepathy? The anecdotal evidence is overwhelmingly in support of it. We just don't understand how it works.

Vaccines cause autism? People believe that because one very unscrupulous doctor built a bogus case for that, and it went viral. Ignorance and misinformation, not irrationality per se.

Sun revolves around the earth? Problem is people don't know the meaning of the word "revolve".

Communication with the dead? I'm a skeptic. but people who take Ibogaine frequently say they've communicated with the dead. I think whatever is left of us after we stop breathing doesn't much care about getting back to the living just to shoot the breeze. Whether there is life after death is the world's biggest unanswered question.

Astrology? I'm a skeptic there too, but there's enough there to make me scratch my head. Like most esoteric knowledge, just because we fail to grasp it, that doesn't make keeping an open mind a bad idea. Radio would be considered a form of magic if you went back in time 200 years.


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Re: Things That Make Me Say, "Dafuq?"
« Reply #219 on: October 16, 2018, 03:29:15 PM »
That question bothered me too.  I think the rational response expected is to realize that States rights while greatly affected were not the proximal cause.  That is asking too much for a random brain.  Sort of like getting upset about how many people think the sun goes around the earth.  Expecting a certain path of cognition not knowing the context the brain is in.

In a literary sense the Sun does go around the Earth.  If you ask people does the Sun orbit the Earth or does the Earth orbit the sun many more will get it right than those who answered a 'goes around' question could.  We know at least half will get it right regardless!

It turns out I'm pretty rational.  Good thing they did not ask a question about the existence of internet police and fusion centers.  I'd be bat-shit crazy then!
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Re: Things That Make Me Say, "Dafuq?"
« Reply #220 on: October 16, 2018, 03:44:55 PM »
Where in the world did you find this ? Kudos.....

Reincarnation in the loser hall of fame  :icon_scratch:  Why do people not get the electric universe model. It's the glue that holds the meat suit
together. Write a script, grab a 3D meatsuit & put on your best home planet groove thang for 60 to 85 years. Learn some lessons, get back wit'
da' boss on yer' bizness  :icon_mrgreen: and call it good. Do it again if you missed a couple of arena's that you wanted to dazzle your brillance
around. Simple stuff here.

Oh, and whilst I have you, Telepathy another loser. It's your sixth sense. Use it or looooose it. Gotta' go to da' gym to look like Popeye.
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Re: Things That Make Me Say, "Dafuq?"
« Reply #221 on: October 17, 2018, 03:02:11 AM »
Not surprised this smoked you out.

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Believing that the Civil War was about states rights is not a belief in the supernatural.

Here's a way for you to test it. Do this......try to form a State Militia that isn't the National Guard (you know, the way the Constitution guarantees you the right to do in Article I, Section 8, and Article II, section 2 ?) and see if states rights have changed much since 1789.

The idea that states had rights the federal government could not take away was a very widely held belief before the Civil War....and afterward all the important ones went away. Now all "rights" are handed down from the top, and they appear to me be far from inalienable. This outcome of the Civil War affects citizens of all ethnicities, btw.

So how anyone can say that the Civil War was NOT about states rights is beyond my reckoning, and I claim to be FAIRLY rational, most of the time. To those who say the war was about slavery, let me remind you that slavery WAS a states right issue. It isn't an either/or proposition at all, it's just reframed that way to make Southerners out to be more racist than they are (which is racist enough without it.) That's what bothers me.

This whole argument about "what the Civil War was fought over" is mostly antics with semantics. The history is what it is. If you want to know, then educate yourself. The statement above, often repeated these days, is like a Trump Tweet. If enough people repeat it, then a lot of people believe it, and then the real history is no longer important. Especially since nobody knows much about anything now that happened before 1999 anyway.

Sure it is. "States' rights"is a canard used by the slavers to disguise their true interest in protecting their own profit motive. Thanks for admitting that.

From the Union perspective, the Civil War was about preserving the Union, pure and simple.

One of the problems that republiconfederate revisionists have is that the participants left us their thoughts, in writing. IN a letter to Horace greeley, Lincoln said:

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I would save the Union. I would save it the shortest way under the Constitution. The sooner the national authority can be restored the nearer the Union will be "the Union as it was." If there be those who would not save the Union unless they could at the same time save Slavery, I do not agree with them. If there be those who would not save the Union unless they could at the same time destroy Slavery, I do not agree with them. My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or destroy Slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave, I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves, I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone, I would also do that.

That's pretty clear.
Also pretty clear are the words of “Corner Stone” Speech of Alexander H. Stephens, made in Savannah, Georgia on March 21, 1861. The speech makes abundant clear the reasons why "Seven States have within the last three months thrown off an old government and formed a new. This revolution has been signally marked, up to this time, by the fact of its having been accomplished without the loss of a single drop of blood."

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The new constitution has put at rest, forever, all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institution African slavery as it exists amongst us the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution. Jefferson in his forecast, had anticipated this, as the “rock upon which the old Union would split.” He was right. What was conjecture with him, is now a realized fact. But whether he fully comprehended the great truth upon which that rock stood and stands, may be doubted. The prevailing ideas entertained by him and most of the leading statesmen at the time of the formation of the old constitution, were that the enslavement of the African was in violation of the laws of nature; that it was wrong in principle, socially, morally, and politically. It was an evil they knew not well how to deal with, but the general opinion of the men of that day was that, somehow or other in the order of Providence, the institution would be evanescent and pass away. This idea, though not incorporated in the constitution, was the prevailing idea at that time. The constitution, it is true, secured every essential guarantee to the institution while it should last, and hence no argument can be justly urged against the constitutional guarantees thus secured, because of the common sentiment of the day. Those ideas, however, were fundamentally wrong. They rested upon the assumption of the equality of races. This was an error. It was a sandy foundation, and the government built upon it fell when the “storm came and the wind blew.”

Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner- stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth. This truth has been slow in the process of its development, like all other truths in the various departments of science. It has been so even amongst us. Many who hear me, perhaps, can recollect well, that this truth was not generally admitted, even within their day. The errors of the past generation still clung to many as late as twenty years ago. Those at the North, who still cling to these errors, with a zeal above knowledge, we justly denominate fanatics.

These two statements make unequivocally clear the differences in purpose of the two antagonists, and do so in a way that is perfectly clear to any honest reader.

Thus were the compromises embedded in the Constitution and its ratification, and the struggles that ensued after 1789, the battles in Kansas and Missouri, the various compromises and equivocations, brought to a head. The Union would have NEVER fought a war to free the slaves; the rebels fought a war to keep theirs. Draft riots in NYC and other cities, in which blacks were hung from lampposts, attest to that.

After the war, the North had little interest in the former slaves, either. Grant retained federal garrisons in the south in his two terms, but was beset with his own corruption problems. The evil compromise that elected Rutherford Hayes ended Reconstruction, which led directly to the rise of the Klan, and later white massacres of blacks in cities from New Orleans and Tulsa.

Interestingly, Tilden outpolled Hayes in the popular vote with 4,284,020 votes to Hayes' 4,036,572. But Tilden's 184 electoral votes were still one short of a majority, while Hayes' 165 electoral votes left him 20 ballots shy. Leading to the "Compromise of 1877" and the start of the trend where republican candidates lose the electoral battle but win the war via foul means. (For a deeper dive on the Hayes/Tilden election, reference this magnificently handcrafted, careful considered and simply beautiful article here: http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/blog/2016/12/11/this-week-in-doom-the-hamilton-elector-edition/)

Blacks have never been afforded equal rights, as we see with voter suppression schemes throughout the New Confederacy. Brian Kemp in Georgia is doing a textbook job of removing Dems from the voting rolls, a practice smiled on and approved by the Supreme Court.

As for "militias," (the language for which was one of those compromises embedded to protect slave posses), there are plenty of them in Michigan, Utah and Wyoming.

The history is what it is. I've educated myself on this score for decades, and get highly riled when "Lost Cause" apologists continue to rewrite history. Although I should probably give up. The white minority in the FSoA will NEVER grant human status to nonwhites, as the Supreme Court makes clear. If you listen, you can hear echoes of Dred Scott in the voting rights decision that denies voting rights to natives whose ID lacks a street address. Only PO Boxes on the res.
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« Reply #222 on: October 17, 2018, 03:35:14 AM »
As for "militias," (the language for which was one of those compromises embedded to protect  slave posses), there are plenty of them in Michigan, Utah and Wyoming.

Don't forget Brandon "Lexington & Concord" Smith in Colorado!

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« Reply #223 on: October 17, 2018, 05:23:26 AM »
None of those militias are state sponsored in any way, nor or they recognized as legitimate by any state government. They are tolerated because they are insignificant.

As I said, and I will reiterate, all races ultimately have been enslaved by the successful federal government coup that was afforded by the circumstances of the Civil War. Check your pay stub.
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« Reply #224 on: October 17, 2018, 06:03:20 AM »
My view is that the Civil War was about State's Rights and little else.

It is intuitively obvious to the most casual of observers.

Just my two centavos and will not comment on it again. 

How to curb a government that has become too big and oppressive is the only Libertarian topic that I currently find of interest.


                                         

 

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