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Frostbite Falls Newz / 🌎 New Global Collapse Forum: Kickoff
« on: April 17, 2021, 10:57:06 PM »
Somebody suggested we get started at the new Global Collapse Forum early.  I'm going to start a Kickoff thread there.


Knarfs Knewz / Re: I am quitting the Knewz bizness today
« on: April 13, 2021, 10:49:31 PM »
Ever since RE has been seriously ill he has contributed much less on the Dinner...and his cooking plus podcasts. He is the founder and "God" of the Dinner. :) Agelbert is with us no more, as many others have faded away...Surly, Golden Oxen, lucid dreams, azozeo, and many others who stayed awhile, and left. With a handful of active posters, I have tried to to keep visitors interested in coming to the Dinner through posting "Knewz", and it has attracted many visitors, but they will not comment and will not contribute to the Dinner to keep it going. It seems time to stop that process now. ( If the Dinner dies now we have a new site to talk about collapse that RE just set up ) Times change and it seems time for me to stop baiting the visitors because the are useless to functioning of the Dinner. I am done with the Knewz bizness.

It was gr8 you stayed with it to the bitter end Knarf, and overall the Diner had a good long run. Average blogs are like TV series and only last 3-4 seasons. We had a 9 season run on the Diner, and had Inot gone downhill so fast we would have made a Decade.  I will keep posting here until the ISP shuts us off, then move over to the Global Collapse create-a-forum site.  If I can get out of this Prison into some kind of more independent living arrangement before I croak, I may start writing again and set up a Free Space Blog on the WP site.  I will know better after Friday whether I might make my escape from here anytime soon.  Perhaps I'll come down and join you in the Monastery.   :icon_sunny:



Japan to start releasing Fukushima water into sea in 2 years
By MARI YAMAGUCHIan hour ago

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Japanese Prime Minister Yoshihide Suga, left, attends a cabinet meeting at his official residence in Tokyo Tuesday, April 12, 2021. Japan’s government said Tuesday it has decided to start releasing massive amounts of radioactive water stored at the wrecked Fukushima nuclear plant in two years after treatment. Suga told that the government adopted the release to sea as “most realistic” and that the disposal of the water is “unavoidable in order to achieve Fukushima's recovery.” (Yoshitaka Sugawara/Kyodo News via AP)

TOKYO (AP) — Japan’s government announced Tuesday it would start releasing treated radioactive water from the wrecked Fukushima nuclear plant into the Pacific Ocean in two years. It’s a move that’s fiercely opposed by fishermen, residents and Japan’s neighbors.

The decision, long speculated at but delayed for years because of safety worries and protests, came during a meeting of Cabinet ministers who endorsed the ocean release as the best option.

The accumulating water has been stored in tanks at the Fukushima Daiichi plant since 2011, when a massive earthquake and tsunami damaged its reactors and their cooling water became contaminated and began leaking. The plant’s storage capacity will be full late next year.

Prime Minister Yoshihide Suga said the ocean release was the most realistic option and that disposing the water is needed to complete the decades-long decommissioning of the Fukushima plant. He said the government would work to make sure the water is safe and to help local agriculture, fisheries and tourism.

The plant’s operator, Tokyo Electric Power Co., and government officials say tritium, which is not harmful in small amounts, cannot be removed from the water, but all other selected radionuclides can be reduced to releasable levels. Some scientists say the long-term impact on marine life from low-dose exposure to such large volumes of water is unknown.

The government stresses the water’s safety, calling it “treated” not “radioactive,” even though radionuclides can only be reduced to disposable levels, not to zero. The amount of radioactive material that would remain in the water is unknown.

Releasing the water into the ocean was described as the most realistic solution by a government panel that for nearly seven years had discussed how to dispose of the water. The report last year mentioned evaporation as a less desirable option.

Under the basic plan adopted Tuesday by the ministers, TEPCO will start releasing the water in about two years after building a facility and compiling release plans that follow safety requirements. It said the disposal of the water cannot be postponed further and is necessary to improve the environment surrounding the plant so residents can live there safely.

Residents, fisheries officials and environmental groups issued statements denouncing the decision as ignoring environmental safety and health, and further hurting Fukushima’s image and economy.

Japan Fisheries Cooperatives chairman Hiroshi Kishi said the decision less than a week after he met with Suga “trampled on” all Japanese fisheries operators.

Local fisheries have just returned to full operation after a decade in which their catch was only for testing purposes, and they are struggling because of dwindling demand.

Protestors gathered outside the Prime Minister’s Office to demand the plan be scrapped.

TEPCO says its water storage capacity of 1.37 million tons will be full around fall of 2022. Also, the area now filled with storage tanks needs to be used for new buildings needed for removing melted fuel debris from inside the reactors and for other decommissioning work in coming years.

In the decade since the tsunami disaster, water meant to cool the nuclear material has constantly escaped from the damaged primary containment vessels into the basements of the reactor buildings. To make up for the loss, more water has been pumped into the reactors to continue to cool the melted fuel. Water is also pumped out and treated, part of which is recycled as cooling water, and the remainder stored in 1,020 tanks now holding 1.25 million tons of radioactive water.

Those tanks, which occupy a large space at the plant, interfere with the safe and steady progress of the decommissioning, Economy and Industry Minister Hiroshi Kajiyama said. The tanks also could be damaged and leak in case of another powerful earthquake or tsunami, the report said.

About 70% of the water in the tanks is contaminated beyond discharge limits but will be filtered again and diluted with seawater before it is released, the report says. According to a preliminary estimate, gradual release of the water will take nearly 40 years but will be completed before the plant is fully decommissioned.

IAEA Director General Rafael Mariano Grossi, in a video message, said the ocean discharge was in line with international practice, though “the large amount of water at the Fukushima plant makes it a unique and complex case.”

China and South Korea reacted strongly to Tuesday’s decision.

Koo Yun-cheol, minister of South Korea’s Office for Government Policy Coordination, said the plan was “absolutely unacceptable” and urged Japan to disclose how the water is treated and its safety is verified. South Korea has banned seafood imports from parts of Japan since 2013 and could increase those steps.

China criticized Japan’s decision as “extremely irresponsible,” saying it had not considered the health concerns of neighboring countries.

Frostbite Falls Newz / 🌎 New Global Collapse Forum
« on: April 12, 2021, 11:36:08 PM »
I started a new Forum to discuss Collapse Issues on Free Space.

When the Diner goes off-air (which it will if nobody pays for the server), we can continue to occasionally chat over there.

Friday I have my Medicaid Assessment hearing to hopefully get the additional aid I need to get a prosthetic and also to get out of the prison I currently remain in, now in my 4th month of incarceration here.

Rules have changed again and now I am theoretically able to go out, however currently I have nobody to come take me out on trips.  Once I have a prosthetic perhaps I can go out myself, but not as of yet safely.  Winter also is slow letting go and there is still ice and snow everywhere.


Doomsteading / Re: C5 Walks into a posts
« on: April 04, 2021, 02:37:47 AM »
Glad to see C5 is writing again at least for now. My world view has been changing over the last few years but I deeply respect his point of view and miss his input. Not much doomer red meat on the diner these days, myself included , so I get the absence. Having "involuntarily car camped" before I liked this one.

Cheers,  NF

n what he wrote:
“C5 Rule of Survival- What does collapse look like? First you lose you job. Then you lose you mortgaged house. You lose your financed truck. Hopefully you don't lose your wife and children. You lose your social respectability and place in society. You lose your friends. You lose your mental health.”

Ahh yeahhhhhh   

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Nice 2 CU KD.   :icon_sunny:


Seasteading / Re: ⛵ The Sea Peoples & The Late Bronze Age Collapse
« on: March 28, 2021, 09:42:13 AM »

The collapse of the bronze age was the first time overpopulation caused a resource crunch.  Population had grown but bronze technology can only support so many people and agriculture was less efficient.  Low EROEI.  A bit of climate trouble comes along and complexity which had grown and led to cities with bookshops went into violent crisis.  The defense agreements worked out between states and cities collapsed in a bronze age world war that lasted decades.

A time when only royalty had money and a mercenary could see the world.

Nice to hear from you K-Dog.  :icon_sunny:


Seasteading / Re: ⛵ The Sea Peoples & The Late Bronze Age Collapse
« on: March 23, 2021, 11:36:00 PM »
I've listened to many of these as I drive...

The more you learn about the Bronze Age Collapse, the more obvious the similarities with the modern one.  It also provides a good timeline for a systems collapse and a likely medium term outcome in our own time.  Also a little remarkable is how little the nature of "civilization" changed, be it Sumer, Egypt, Rome or the Anglo-Amerikan Empire of the modern era.  Civilization along with Money was the worst thing ever to hit humanity or planet Earth.



Australia floods see swarming spiders and wet wallabies as animals seek refuge


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First fires, now floods - it's been a terrible year for Australia's wildlife and livestock that are now trying to survive the rainfall pummelling New South Wales.

Reports of spiders swarming by residents' homes to reach higher ground have spread on social media but animals are struggling across eastern Australia.

In the worst flooding in decades, close to a metre of rain has fallen in some parts of New South Wales and more is forecast to come, forcing thousands of people to evacuate.

From a farm in Kinchela Creek, one man posted an image of hundreds of spiders running across a muddy field.

"All the brown you can see is spiders trying to beat the flood water," Matt Lovenfosse wrote on Facebook, adding that he expected them to soon be inside his house.
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In Macksville, Melanie Williams watched as "thousands" of spiders scaled the fence of her back yard, she told ABC news.

"As the water was rising, the letterbox was going under further and further and I could see all these little black things on there and I thought 'oh my God, they're spiders'," she said.
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An expert told ABC that, like people and animals, the insects were trying to seek safety on higher ground.

"What happens with the floods is all these animals that spend their lives cryptically on the ground can't live there anymore," explained Professor Dieter Hochuli from Sydney University.

    In pictures: Australia's 'one-in-a-50-year' flood
    Young couple's house swept away near Sydney

But there have been some heroic stories of animal rescue just months after wildfires killed or harmed an estimated three billion animals.

In Sydney a wallaby and a number of birds belonging to Paul Zammit were rescued by his best friend when his house flooded.

"All of the animals survived, but they are soaked," Mr Zammit explained.
Wallaby rescueimage copyrightGetty Images
Around 20 dogs were rescued by boat from a Sydney suburbimage copyrightReuters
image captionAround 20 dogs were rescued by boat from a Sydney suburb

On Monday emergency workers in boats rescued 20 dogs from a kennel threatened by rising water in a Sydney suburb.

Their owners had left them at the kennel when they were told to evacuate but the flooding had spread, the kennel owner told Reuters news agency.

Livestock in farms or pasture have been trapped as rivers burst their banks or fields saturated with rainwater turned to mud.

"There were cows that were up to their head in the water," one farmer close to Port Macquarie told the Guardian newspaper.

Gavin Saul lost 85 cows in the floodwater, explaining: "They wouldn't swim and were heading for these trees and got all tangled in the vines."

Eventually a boat arrived with help and Mr Saul managed to free 11 cows and two calves.

And in Taree, members of a surfing club rescued a cow from breakwaters on the beach and transferred her into a paddock, wrote one woman on Twitter.
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But there are some creatures that communities are not as keen to save. Residents of Gilgandra are hoping the rain will drive out the "mouse plague" that has infested their small town with thousands of rodents in recent weeks.

Seasteading / ⛵ The Sea Peoples & The Late Bronze Age Collapse
« on: March 22, 2021, 01:54:34 PM »
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Seasteading / ⛵ The First Men to Cross the Oceans
« on: March 21, 2021, 12:52:07 AM »
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Environment / Oz Flooding
« on: March 21, 2021, 12:46:33 AM »
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Diner TV / 🎵 DD Juke Box V2.0: Whiskey in the Jar-O - Metallica
« on: March 19, 2021, 08:28:34 AM »
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Diner TV / 🎵 DD Juke Box V2.0: The Beat Goes On - Sonny & Cher
« on: March 17, 2021, 02:35:14 PM »
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Economics / 🏗️ Another Mall Bites the Dust
« on: March 17, 2021, 02:28:31 PM »
My ex-neighbor from across the parking lot who bought my SUV went into Anchorage today to hit a closeout sale of Burlington at the Northfield Mall, which I think was once the largest one in Alaska.  I was there once when I first got up here.  It is apparently now another of the innumerable Ghost Town Malls sprinkled across the country.

...and the collapse beat goes on.

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