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Today, corporate-run prisons hold eight percent of America’s inmates. Let’s suppose that it costs $100 per day to house a prisoner (assuming full capacity, including all admin costs), and the prison building can hold 1,000 inmates. A private prison can offer their services to the government and charge $150 per day per prisoner. Generally speaking, the government will agree to these terms if the $150 is less than if the prison was publicly run. That spread is where the private prison makes their money.


As usual, often wrong but never in doubt. (that line is getting tiresome).

You just verified what I said.  Da Goobermint pays for the prisons.  If Da Goobermint wasn't paying, the prison would not make any money.  ::)

These corporations aren't going to build new prisons for 44M more people either.  Who will float the bonds for that?

RE
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Doomsteading / Re: Catch-22 of the Doomsteader Paradox
« Last post by RE on Today at 07:21:02 AM »
Nice one RE,
I think active introvert is a better label for me then rugged individualist. Desperation is the motivator for community I see emerging but its not quite here yet. We think things are bad but they are not people watching you starve bad yet. They are not Junta with lists bad. Mandatory concsription bad. Failure of several grain harvests bad. Collapse of a national grid bad. Collapse of medical insurance bad. Roving somali warlord bad.
I know I am not expecting an army of happy permies to show up at my door. I gently prod at those I see with potential as they gently prod at me. The welder across the street. The machinist up the road. The pot grower up a bit, the mechanic on my road who was a grain farmer ,the new roofer family next door. The farmer in town I buy my meat off of the homesteading couple that mill chicken feed, The prepper nurse.  A loose affiliation of people with vested interests. Pot lucks, seed exchanges, group nursery buys Environmental meet ups those are my convocations. I force myself to attend them even if they are mostly wasted fuel. Im naturally isolationist so I have to work at it all the time. Local is king.
Cheers,  David

I've seen your videos.  You're a rugged individualist.  lol.

Those are a bunch of good talents to have around the area, but all spread out they can't protect & defend their respective Doomsteads.  Everybody is subject to home invasion by the have nots, all the people who didn't have enough money to buy Doomsteads.  AKA the Zombies.  Then there are those hungry Mounties also.

Still, that's a better situation than most Doomsteads, they don't have all those talented people nearby.

RE
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You ought to try reading the articles before commenting, Rumplestiltskin.

I did read it.  Nowhere in the article does he reveal how all these debtors will be imprisoned, fed, clothed and guarded.  Good Grief man, that is about 15% of the total population!  Can you imagine how many prison guards that would take?

RE

Private prisons. They’re making more of them every day. Great for the bottom line. And imagine the markets possible with prison slave labor!!
This is a veritable boom waiting to happen for people with no conscience. And they’re making more of those every day, too.

"Private" Prisons are a canard.  The State pays Private contractors to run the Prisons.  If the State does not have money to pay, the contractor can't pay Prison Guards.  Slave Labor is not profitable either.  It costs more for food, housing and clothing than the labor is worth.

RE

As usual, often wrong but never in doubt.

Yes, "the state" pays PRIVATE INVESTORS for their prisons, meaning that you and I transfer our FSoA notes to private, rather than public hands tp provide incarceration "services." The Corrections Corporation of America, Wackenhut, and Prison Realty Trust thank you for your support.

Setting aside the morality of creating a market for slave labor (since prison is the last place in the FSoA where slavery is still legal), such markets are still quite profitable. Distasteful? They say, "you just sell it like you were selling cars, or real estate, or hamburgers."

Today, corporate-run prisons hold eight percent of America’s inmates. Let’s suppose that it costs $100 per day to house a prisoner (assuming full capacity, including all admin costs), and the prison building can hold 1,000 inmates. A private prison can offer their services to the government and charge $150 per day per prisoner. Generally speaking, the government will agree to these terms if the $150 is less than if the prison was publicly run. That spread is where the private prison makes their money.

If a prison can “mark up” a prisoner $50 per day, that means their prison can theoretically earn $50,000 per day on a prison that houses 1,000 inmates. And can make more by reducing the amount spent per prisoner. Since the infrastructure is fixed and tied to a note, the only items on the margin are food, cleaning services, clothing and medical care. By now, even you will see where this is going.

Since 1984, the U.S. prison population has more than tripled, according to U.S. Department of Justice data. I don't believe the population of the FSoA has tripled in the same period.

The system requires a steady stream of new inmates. Lobbying for stricter laws mean more people in the system. More people in the system means more money for the prison. Should be no surprise that the "War on Drugs™" was started: another set of laws that could incarcerate thousands of people every single year. And look at the people most vociferously opposed to legalizing pot.

In this context, contracts for prison slave labor drop right to the bottom line. Do you suppose Corrections Corp would really lease slaves out off they weren't turning a profit? You know that $12-a-pound tilapia you thought you were buying from “sustainable, American family farms?” It was raised by prisoners in Colorado, who were paid as little as 74 cents a day. And that fancy goat cheese? The goats were raised and milked by prisoners too. There's more:

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McDonald’s
The world’s most successful fast food franchise purchases a plethora of goods manufactured in prisons, including plastic cutlery, containers, and uniforms. The inmates who sew McDonald’s uniforms make even less money by the hour than the people who wear them.
 
Wal-Mart
Although their company policy clearly states that “forced or prison labor will not be tolerated by Wal-Mart,” basically every item in their store has been supplied by third-party prison labor factories. Wal-Mart purchases its produce from prison farms, where laborers are often subjected to long hours in the blazing heat without adequate food or water.
 
Victoria’s Secret
Female inmates in South Carolina sew undergarments and casual-wear for the pricey lingerie company. In the late 1990’s, two prisoners were placed in solitary confinement for telling journalists that they were hired to replace “Made in Honduras” garment tags with “Made in USA” tags.
 
AT&T
 In 1993, the massive phone company laid off thousands of telephone operators—all union members—in order to increase their profits. Even though AT&T’s company policy regarding prison labor reads eerily like Wal-Mart’s, they have consistently used inmates to work in their call centers since ’93, barely paying them $2 a day.

The full list of companies implicated in exploiting prison labor includes:
 
Bank of America, Bayer,Cargill, Caterpillar, Chevron, Chrysler, Costco, John Deere, Eli Lilly and Company, Exxon Mobil, GlaxoSmithKline, Johnson and Johnson, K-Mart,Koch Industries (why are we not surprised??), McDonald’s, Merck, Microsoft, Motorola, Nintendo, Pfizer, Procter & Gamble,Pepsi, ConAgra Foods, Shell, Starbucks, UPS, Verizon, WalMart, Wendy’s.

https://www.cagedbirdmagazine.com/single-post/2017/03/28/50-Companies-Supporting-Modern-American-Slavery

"Canard" my red dago ass. Slave labor is ubiquitous, and it is profitable.

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Surly Newz / Re: The Daily Meme
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Surly Newz / Neo-Nazi Who Went By ‘Tyrone’ Doxxed Out of Marines
« Last post by Surly1 on Today at 06:34:55 AM »
Neo-Nazi Who Went By ‘Tyrone’ Doxxed Out of Marines in Alleged Connection to Unite the Right Rally

Michael Joseph Chesny
Photo: Alamance County Sheriff’s Dept.

I think one of the scariest parts of exposed racists is that they tend to have critical positions in society, like firefighter, or middle school teacher, or I don’t know, police officer—you know, jobs where their judgment may have serious consequences for the black people with whom they may come in contact.

 

The latest example is that of a young white man who was booted from the U.S. Marine Corps over his violent, Neo-Nazi views, and who just happens to be an explosives expert.

On Tuesday, Al Jazeera reported that 36-year-old Michael Joseph Chesny was kicked out the corps on April 5 over his association with white nationalist organizations; he has also been accused of playing a role in organizing the notorious Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, Va., in August 2017. Despite his removal and ‘general’ discharge from the Marine Corps, he is still eligible for tax-free, lifetime benefits from the Department of Veterans Affairs should he show proof of a compensable disability related to his military service.

Chesny reportedly wrote extensively on chat app Discord, geared at gamers, under the handle “Tyrone,” a stereotypically African American name. On July 17, “Tyrone” posted a photo of a farm machine known as a combine harvester writing, “Multi-Lane Protester Digestor” and “Is it legal to run over protesters blocking roadways?”

Tyrone had reportedly posted up to 1,000 similar messages before the rally after which President Trump notoriously noted there were good folks and blame “on both sides.”

Tyrone’s alleged organizing also included coordinating transportation. Stars and Stripes reports that Chesny advised renting large passenger vans to collect demonstrators away from the rally so they wouldn’t have to risk their own vehicles being damaged by counterprotesters like “Antifa” groups, proving that they “clearly anticipated violence.”

Al-Jazeera also reports that Tyrone gave white supremacist demonstrators tips on impromptu weapons and precautions for keeping their identities secret.

During a counter-protest of Unite the Right, 32-year-old Heather Heyer was killed after being mowed down by a car driven by a white supremacist, 20-year-old James Alex Fields, Jr.

Chesny’s Tyrone-posing was recently exposed by an anti-racist activist who doxxed him, i.e., let the public know that Tyrone was, in fact, an active duty marine named Michael Chesney, stationed at an airbase in Havelock, N.C., with a specialty in explosives.

Emily Gorcenski, who tried and failed to convince the Charlottesville City Council to revoke the permit for the Unite the Right rally, began searching Discord chat logs after Hayer’s death (since leaked to “alternative media” site Unicorn Riot). There she found threats against her own life. She told Al Jazeera that she found out Chesny’s identify after about an hour and a half.

One of the clues was a photo Tyrone posted of the white supremacy banner that he and former Marine Joseph W. Manning (also kicked out) hung from the North Main Street building May 20, 2017, in Graham, N.C.

The banner was hung during a Confederate Memorial Day rally and read, “He who controls the past controls the future,” a quote from George Orwell’s novel “1984,” with the “Identitarian” symbol and the letters “YWNRU” (“You will not replace us,”) on the side.

They were arrested in May for their actions, three months before Charlottesville.

Chesny enlisted in the USMC in November 2007 and became a sergeant in May 2013.

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EPA Pulls Public Documents Regarding Its Proposed Transparency Policy

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Internal emails that revealed the Environmental Protection Agency has been pursuing a plan to restrict the type of scientific research the agency uses to write environmental policy have been removed from an online portal that made the documents publicly accessible.

The emails, obtained via Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests made by the Union of Concerned Scientists (UCS), were briefly hosted on FOIAOnline, a hub offered by the US government that allows the general public to file requests for and view documents from a number of federal agencies. The files from the EPA were first made accessible Tuesday, April 17th and were removed from the portal Friday, according to UCS.

The emails in question show communications between EPA staffers planning to implement a new policy that would “increase transparency” in the agency’s rulemaking process by requiring all data and methodology from studies cited in regulations to be made public. Critics of the plan argue that the policy would serve primarily to limit the types of studies that could be used to craft rules.

Within the communications, it is also made apparent that the policy originated with Texas Rep. Lamar Smith, the Republican chairman of the House Science, Space, and Technology Committee. Smith, a climate change denier who has regularly accused climate scientists of altering data, has pushed for legislation that proposed similar changes to the EPA’s policy-making process but has failed to gain much traction.

The Congressman met with EPA chief Scott Pruitt in early January. Just days after the meeting, the emails reveal, a staffer for Rep. Smith contacted the EPA. “It was great to see you last week and appreciate the Administrator’s time. Chairman Smith is very keen for our staff to get together to discuss further transparent science-based regulations at the EPA,” Smith aide Joe Brazauskas wrote to EPA congressional affairs staffer Aaron Ringel.

Ringel circulated the message through the EPA with a message that made clear the meeting between Pruitt and Smith was arranged to discuss a way to enact Smith’s failed bill without the going through the legislative process. “In short, this is in regards to his pitch that EPA internally implement the HONEST Act (no regulation can go into effect unless the scientific data is publicly available for review),” the email read.

In March, at a closed-door meeting held at the Koch brothers-funded Heritage Foundation, Pruitt announced his plan to pursue the supposed transparency effort.

On Thursday, the EPA sent a policy proposal to the White House that would implement the supposed effort to “strengthen transparency” within the agency. Pending approval, which it is expected to receive, the policy could go into effect in the coming days or weeks.

Scientists concerned with the policy have warned that only considering studies with publicly available data will severely limit the type of information that the agency can use and will result in a much narrower and more incomplete understanding of evolving environmental issues.

Dr. Ivan Oransky, co-founder the independent scientific journal monitoring blog Retraction Watch, told the New York Times in March that “Data [Pruitt] doesn’t like will get disqualified.”

In an op-ed published in the Hill, Yogin Kothari, a representative for the Center for Science and Democracy at UCS, wrote that the new policy could mean “many of studies that are the foundation of our entire understanding of the public health impacts of pollution and exposure to toxic chemicals would be sidelined and ignored.” He noted many studies rely on private medical information that cannot be made public. Additionally, studies of people exposed to certain chemicals cannot ethically be replicated to confirm results.

Without the emails that show the process and communications that took place behind the scenes in crafting the policy, the public is left in the dark as to how Pruitt’s EPA arrived at its new transparency practices.

Kothari wrote in a blog post that the EPA informed him and his colleagues the emails were removed because of concerns about “privacy information” and “attorney-client communication.” Kothari argued that all communications that could be considered private or contain privileged information were removed before being made available to the public.

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Doomsteading / Re: Catch-22 of the Doomsteader Paradox
« Last post by David B. on Today at 04:42:43 AM »

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Published on the Doomstead Diner on April 22, 2018

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The name for the blog Doomstead Diner comes from my early years of recognizing what the problems were with Industrial Civilization on the PeakOil.com forum. I developed a cartoon strip with another denizen of that forum, Flapjax who did the artwork and I wrote the scripts for it. It was a parody of several other regulars of the period who appeared as characters in the strip, including a self-parody of myself of course as well. lol. I'm the one in the panel above field dressing a Moose.

Back in those days, "Doomsteading" or setting up a survival location for making it through the Zero Point and the Collapse of Industrial Civilization was a very popular topic. Numerous members of the forum had Doomsteads of one size or another, from as compact as 1/4 Acre "Urban Doomsteads" right up to the 1000 Acre variety that a few Rich Fucks boasted about. Never quite sure of course if they were actually telling the truth or just had a vivid imagination on what they wished they had. I did meet a few IRL though, Pops was one who had a small 20 acre Dairy Farm in Missouri near where my sister lives. Mostly though, I had to figure out how much truth telling they were doing versus how much fantasy it was from picking through the prose for inconsistencies. Most of the time, it was a lot of fantasy.

As time has progressed, I have met here in Cyberspace many more such people, some of whom have spent time chatting up inside the Diner. They all have many features and personality traits in common. Not all mind you, this is somewhat of a gross generalization, but it is true enough most of the time to draw some conclusions from it. That is what we will explore in this article.

First of all, you have a split in the prototypical Doomsteader type into the Males and the Females.

Image result for man chopping wood Males

"Rugged Individualists" who like to DIY as much as they can, building all sorts of cool shit to survive the Zero Point. Normally in order to actually own a decent size Doomstead, they were succesful money makers inside Industrial Civilization as well, although not always the case. Besides building shit, they also pride themselves on being able to do back-breaking work no matter how old they are. Also pride themselves in their skills with weapons and shooting various animals for food. Sometimes they are Solos, but more often have a female partner who picks up the other Doomsteading tasks. Usually both older with their kids grown and out of the nest.

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Not generally Solos, usually part of a marriage to a male of the type above. Greenies who like to DIY also, but usually more traditional female tasks like milking the cows, churning butter, sewing, knitting, canning veggies etc. Usually mechanical stuff like plumbing they leave to the male partner. Sometimes they are OK with shooting and killing animals, but a large percentage are vegans, which means generally also the male partner needs to be a vegan as well. Hard for a Meatosaurus to get along well with a Vegan of course.

These prototypical Doomsteader types are most often in their retirement years and have some source of Mailbox Money rolling in because if they raise even 1/4 of their own food on their property on their own that is doing really good. They gotta have supplemental money coming in somehow. When shit goes wrong with the plumbing, it's off to Home Depot to get replacement parts. The tractor they use for all the big tasks runs on diesel of course, and they don't make their own biodiesel. But they could in theory they tell you, at least as long as they actually have enough land to grow the soybeans along with grow food for themselves and feed for their animals.

They have plans to protect themselves from Zombies also. Hubby has an arsenal of weapons and ammo supply any National Guard Armory would be proud to sport. Night Vision scopes and Booby Traps and Body Armor too!

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Anyhow, before I roll too far off track on this tangent, it should be fairly obvious this type of Doomsteading Plan is wholly ridiculous and removed from reality. You have some younger people involved in this as well besides the retired oldsters who have found ways to "straddle two worlds", earning money in some facet of the industrial economy while at the same time living semi-remote on their Doomstead. However, their plans are generally no more realistic than that of the Boomer Doomers.

Now, in chatting with such folks pursuing their Doomstead fantasies, many of them do recognize that their individual Doomstead is not really practical or survivable without some sort of Community behind it to work together in making survival possible longer than just until your preps run out and your tractor breaks down.

Image result for rugged individualist However, while they mouth the words about "forming community", they don't do it because they themselves are the antithesis of the communal type of person. Rugged Individualists who like to go it alone and do everything for themselves. Other people don't work hard enough for them, they aren't dedicated enough. A big part of the reason they move out to remote Doomsteads is not because of TEOTWAWKI arriving any day now, it's because right here during BAU they can't stand most other people and want to get as far away from them as they reasonably can. They prefer to be alone in the woods chopping down trees to building fences together with other Kollapsniks.

Now, how long do you think a bunch of anti-social Doomers would get along together in an Intentional Community? About the same amount of time as between the lies popping out of the mouth of Trumpovetsky, that's how long. Yet somehow these folks believe that after SHTF Day arrives, the magical Doomer Community they are building will come together. Nice strong, young, smart, pleasant and healthy Kollapsniks will magically show up at their Doomsteads as Worker Bee Serfs while they play Lords of the Manor and everyone will live Happily Ever After. This is such complete and utter bullshit it's even worse than the fantasy that a go-it-alone Doomstead would work.

How are these helpers even going to find the place after SHTF Day? If it's a good location, it's 40 miles West of Nowhere up some unmaintained dirt road that doesn't even make it onto Google Maps, although if you really scope around and have GPS coordinates you might spot it on Google Earth. Communications are down, so they're not going to find you on the Internet. They probably can't get gas for their Bugout Machines to make the trip even if they knew where the place was and had become friends with you over the net prior to SHTF Day. So you can pretty much kiss off any chance of getting your fantasy Doomer Community together after SHTF Day arrives. Which means as far as post-collapse goes, the whole process of Doomstead Building, money, work and time in getting one of these places set up for this projected world of the future is a complete waste of time.

It's not such a waste of time though if you believe in a Slow Catabolic Collapse (aka Boiling Frog, see Mr. Wizard JMG), where the general society deteriorates just a little at a time, stuff you depend on from the outside world is still available and you can afford it although just harder and harder to get a hold of. The internet is still up most of the time, but the outages become more frequent. Taxes go up, but they're not completely unaffordable. A plausible scenario for this is WWIII getting more fully underway, with rationing being instituted. Then your supplemental Grow-Your-Own food plan becomes a valuable addition to your life to help keep it a bit more normal. You'll still encounter the problem of a growing amount of theft of your food unless you are really well off the beaten path and hidden.

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These aren't the only issues though with Forming Community on your 100 acre Doomstead. Even if you postulate that you can organize up some type of community prior to SHTF Day, you have the problem of having some sort of workable political system to govern it. The most common in the fantasyland mind of the Doomer Owner of such a Doomstead is that they will be the "Lords of the Manor". All the people who come to join them are the Serfs. They "own" the property after all, everyone else is only there by their leave. Another preposterous fantasy here.

First off, your ownership of a piece of property is granted to you by the state, and in a post-SHTF world, the state has failed or partially so, and they are not fielding police forces and a court system to protect your property rights. So now you depend on your little tribe of Kollapsnik Serfs to help you Protect & Defend your 100 acre patch of the earth. So you need to arm them to be able to do this protecting & defending. Let's assume here they are SUCCESSFUL with this task, holding at bay successive waves of Zombies, unpaid Sherriff's Deputies and National Guard. troops. GREAT! What though is to stop them now from turning on you, the Lord of the Manor and getting rid of your oppressive ass that expects them to actually do as much work as you do every day? Nada except you and your trusty AR-15 if you are actually awake when the Assassination Plot is carried out. Even Caesar wasn't protected by the Pretorian Guard from Brutus.

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The Feudal System of Lord of the Manor and Serfs evolved over a very long time from more basic Tribal systems which just had a Chief and then the rest of the Hunters & Gatherers The Chief position was mostly inherited, but merit in Leadership and mental and physical abilities also came into play. If you got into that position, you held it by means of respect from the rest of the tribe.

As time went by though, other classes of the Feudal society evolved, Nobles, Military, Priests, Merchants & Peasants. The military caste served to protect the Nobles. There wasn't much social mobility in this system of course, and it was hard for Serfs to revolt against the Lord of the Manor. Periodically though if things got really bad and there was Nothing Left to Lose, they would do it anyhow.

In any event, you can't just POOF set up such a system on your 100 acre Doomstead. To begin with, even in a best case scenario where you got maybe 150 people (Dunbar's Number), you can't have a dedicated military caste to protect the Lord of the Manor, they have to do te gardening and milk the cows too. There's no real merchant class, because the whole theory here is you are self-sufficient on your plot of land.

In reality this plan is just ludicrous also. So what can work? IMHO, your political organization for the Doomstead has to be Democratic, essentially meaning that everyone living there has a say in how the Doomstead will be run. The problem with this is it irks the original owner of the Doomstead, who spent gobs of money to buy the place and then maybe also put in years of back-breaking work trying to get it up to speed for SHTF Day. He pines in his heart for the Good Old Days when he could just go out alone in the forest and chop some wood. No Boss to tell him what he should do on any given day, except maybe his wife of course if he is married and not a Solo. No annoying meetings with other Homo Saps over what the best course of action is to take moving into tomorrow to keep the Doomstead a going concern for a few more years of Collapse Living. Once you have the Community you know you need to survive, you have to be able to live inside it, with all the difficulties involved of getting any group of Homo Saps to agree on anything. I won't even touch on all the problems that crop up with sexual relationships that develop and break up, that one is a complete sewer and closed many of the Back to the Land Movement communes of the 1970s.

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What this means is the Rugged Individualist busting his balls to DIY a good Doomstead is really no better off than the suburban McMansion Dweller who has socked away 3 years worth of Freeze Dried Mountain House foods in his basement pantry. About the same time he starts running out of food, without a Community the Doomstead of the Rugged Individualist will be failing as well. So why do all that work? Just stock up as much as you can of long lasting industrial food products for SHTF Day. It will save you a lot of effort in putting in fencing and cleaning the slop out of the pig sty. Granted, it would not keep you quite as bizzy and entertained as all that Manly Man work of chopping wood and digging post holes, but you can stay entertained on the internet.

The upshot here for this entire article is that nearly every TEOTWAWKI SHTF Day Plan out there at the moment is Doomed to Failure. So until we can revise these Rugged Individualist paradigms, about the best anybody can hope for is to survive 3-5 years after the Big Day arrives. For me, this is not too bad, since I don't expect to live for more than 3 more years anyhow. However, there are healthier specimens out there in Doomerville who would like to go a bit longer than this at least, if not succeed in staving of extinction for Homo Saps in the near term.

The ANSWER of course to all of these problems is the SUN☼ Project, which seeks to bring together the older and younger Doomers, the owners of property and the disenfranchised and begin the process of Community Formation NOW, before SHTF Day arrives. The bear of course here has been just how to do this in a manner everyone can agree on and work towards together. Never easy to get Rugged Individualists to agree on anything of course.

However, the recent developments Inside the Diner have given me some NEW ideas on how to accomplish solving this very Wicked Problem.

There are now multiple Diners with Doomsteads in various locations sprinkled around the FSoA and the Great White North. All of them owned by Rugged Individualists. What we need to do is to hold Convocations at the Doomsteads of these RIs on some type of semi-regular basis until SHTF Day arrives. In such Convocations we hold Workshops to help Rugged Individualists become more social and able to tolerate other Homo Saps they share a living situation with. We also train all on how to be accepting of decisions made on a community level rather than one Lord of the Manor. Most important of all, we cook up a lot of GREAT FOOD! lol. Nothing builds Community better than Great Food. Well, maybe Great Beer, but we can brew that up too, or import it from Krautland until SHTF Day arrives.

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By practicing our skills at community living in short intervals prior to SHTF Day, some of the most obvious short term problems can be worked through. Long term problems can only be worked through after SHTF Day arrives and everyone is brought together PERMANENTLY! ACCCKKKK! Really? You gotta live with 100 other assholes for the rest of your days walking the Earth? Maybe it's better to die quick…

Where will the final location be? That depends on many things geopolitical and climate related. But the COMPACT is that all Diners will always welcome all other Diners and at least TRY to GET ALONG. The alternative is Death for All.

Homo Dinerus. Coming Soon to a Doomstead Near You.

Nice one RE,
I think active introvert is a better label for me then rugged individualist. Desperation is the motivator for community I see emerging but its not quite here yet. We think things are bad but they are not people watching you starve bad yet. They are not Junta with lists bad. Mandatory concsription bad. Failure of several grain harvests bad. Collapse of a national grid bad. Collapse of medical insurance bad. Roving somali warlord bad.
I know I am not expecting an army of happy permies to show up at my door. I gently prod at those I see with potential as they gently prod at me. The welder across the street. The machinist up the road. The pot grower up a bit, the mechanic on my road who was a grain farmer ,the new roofer family next door. The farmer in town I buy my meat off of the homesteading couple that mill chicken feed, The prepper nurse.  A loose affiliation of people with vested interests. Pot lucks, seed exchanges, group nursery buys Environmental meet ups those are my convocations. I force myself to attend them even if they are mostly wasted fuel. Im naturally isolationist so I have to work at it all the time. Local is king.
Cheers,  David
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Doomsteading / Re: Catch-22 of the Doomsteader Paradox
« Last post by RE on Today at 04:08:44 AM »
The Feudal System of Lord of the Manor and Serfs evolved over a very long time from more basic Tribal systems which just had a Chief and then the rest of the Hunters & Gatherers  The Chief position was mostly inherited, but merit in Leadership and mental and physical abilities also came into play.  If you got into that position, you held it by means of respect from the rest of the tribe.

I am not sure this is exactly true. The move to feudalism may not necessarily been considered an evolutionary move. In fact you could make the argument that society regressed to feudalism depending on your viewpoint. Before the middle-ages much of Europe was governed by the Roman empire which had its emperor, senate, citizens and many slaves. It should be noted too that the predecessor to the empire was the Roman Republic which is notable as that previous incarnation was probably more democratic (a point that should not be missed considered the way society is going today). Again the point merely reinforces the idea that history is not just one big progression curve from simple to more complex (or even more right). After this empire collapsed however we saw the shift to feudalism and this development happened largely out of necessity.

Prior to collapse you had one empire uniting all the land with a common interest. With the fall this meant the ties between communities was broken and they often went against each other. Just imagine how the United States would function if the federal system collapsed and the individual states were no longer united with a central government. On top of that many communities were threatened by external forces. Then there was the fact that during the declining years of the empire the amount of poverty was rising considerably for the average Joe at the time. The feudal system solved a lot of these problem as the more affluent people could still maintain their power by holding a lot of land. These lands were governed by people (the serfs) who were tied to the land but in exchange were provided and defended by the lord was obliged to take care of his people and have some sort of force in place to defend it. Whilst you cannot glorify the live of the serf it was better than slavery as they were granted some rights. It should be noted that during this period of history the amount of slavery taking place went into steep decline.

In any case since this transition to feudalism has already occurred from a relatively advanced society I don't see why such a development, in future can be dismissed so easily. If you can dismiss it then you have to make an argument why Roman society is so different to modern society today. Remember the US was largely inspired by a lot of the political systems that took place in the Roman republic (the senate, a continuously changing of head state through its consul, constitution etc.) so it my eyes things were not that different from a societal point of view any way.

When Roman Civilization collapsed, there was a long period between the collapse of their Empire and the beginning of Feudalism.  It's called the Dark Ages for a reason, there aren't a lot of records from this period, other than those kept by the Holy Roman Catholic Church and Legends like King Arthur & the Knights of the Round Table.  We do know populations dropped drastically, Rome itself dropped down to around 10,000 from it's peak of over 1M.

Besides that, it's also the scaling problem.  A 150 person Doomstead is not sufficient in size to set up all the different castes of a Feudal Society.  Everybody has to fulfill several roles.

RE
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The Diner Pantry / 🍱 Doomstead Diner Sunday Smorgasbord Special: 4/22/2018
« Last post by RE on Today at 04:00:21 AM »
I headed over to the Danish Table at the Smorgasbord this morning and loaded up on those cool little open face cocktail sandwiches the descendents of Hamlet make for breakfast.  "To Eat or Not to Eat, that is the Question?  ???  They are almost too gorgeous too eat!  So I spend a half hour or so just looking at them while I work through my first Loaded Bloody Mary.  In those days I would eat them.  Today I would buy them and they would sit in the fridge being looked at until they go bad.

On my trips to Eurotrashland, I had full Smorgasbords Danish style 3 times, twice on the Ferry to get there & back and once more while I was visiting my friend Torsten who I had met on a prior trip in the south of France.  FABULOUS eating experience! 😋

RE

Another Loaded Bloody Mary

Danish Open Face Breakfast Sandwiches
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