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Doomsteading / Re: C5 Walks into a Diner...
« Last post by Eddie on June 21, 2018, 08:53:58 AM »
That's IT!!!!

I found my niche for shameless collapse commerce. I need to sell Collapse Chemistry Sets for Doomers. What needs to be in it?

Sulfur. Check.

Bromine. Check.

Chlorine.

Muriatic acid (Swimming pool HCL). Check

KOH (Drano)

KNO3? You can make it from pee, but who wants to do that?

What else can you think of? Maybe some platinum? (Nah, you can get that from catalytic converters.)

Big chemistry sets with 5 gallon buckets. LOL. I like it. A nice real triple beam. (Since drug dealers went digital, there's a surplus of those.)
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Doomsteading / Re: C5 Walks into a Diner...
« Last post by RE on June 21, 2018, 08:51:49 AM »
Good info. But it ain't cheap. I guess that's why my pool guy uses chlorine. Bromine is $140 for 25 pounds. Still sounds real useful though. Maybe worth it.

It's expensive but a great alternative to chlorine.  Chlorine gives me hives and makes me itch now.  Started in my late teens.  Bromine doesn't bother me at all.

RE
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Doomsteading / Re: C5 Walks into a Diner...
« Last post by RE on June 21, 2018, 08:49:32 AM »
I keep on hand and cycle through about 150 to 250 liters of gas, depending on rotation.

That won't last as long as a 2 year Batt  once you're not refilling it and cycling it. (hears crickets)

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Doomsteading / Re: C5 Walks into a Diner...
« Last post by Eddie on June 21, 2018, 08:46:59 AM »
Remember your first chemistry set?
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Doomsteading / Re: C5 Walks into a Diner...
« Last post by Eddie on June 21, 2018, 08:46:07 AM »
There will still be batts around for the rest of your life.  Certainly lasting longer than plug ion power for your corded power tools.
RE


Rebuilding lead acid batteries is a dirty dangerous job and requires all kinds of specialized equipment.  Any cottage industry would poison their workers and make shit batteries with no shelf life.  Making long life lead acid batteries requires special considerations and even then if they are not charged within a year they sulfate.  Edison cells are far better for collapse.  Too bad they are not made anymore.  After collapse things will be chaotic and no economy will exist to support cottage industries of any kind.  It will be game over and we will have the die-off.  You know, the one even doomers deny.

Anybody want to pull slow catabolic collapse out of their ass?  It feels so good.  So good to hear you can get someone to take your money preaching it to you.
May as well do both at the same time.  They pull catabolic collapse out of their ass while you pull these out of yours.  Feel twice as good so I'm told.


Dark ages with battery fed lighting.  Not going to happen.  When we get our dark ages it will be the real thing.  No compromise.

Only way you are going to get your batteries is if we go into collapse with a socialist government but socialists in America were wiped out 100 years ago. 

Kiss that dream goodbye.  After SHTF it is game over.  That is the hard truth.  Nothing about the life we have now goes forward.  Capitalism was the dinosaur that ruled the earth.  Socialism was the little mammal-like critter that could have survived after a SHTF comet splashes hard rock, but they were wiped out.


If you know anyone who is 'into' lead acid batteries you know their garage quickly becomes full of worthless sulfated junk.  That you assumed lead acid batteries could be whipped up like tallow candles at Jamestown shows you have not had your share of dead ass batteries.


One of the plates uses lead oxide.  Very toxic.


http://www.integrachem.com/msds/L285_003.pdf  <== Here is the Lead Oxide Material Safety Data Sheet.

To form the lead oxide atomized lead is sprayed into the air.  Long life batteries also need Antimony and their construction must be carefully managed so a surplus of plate material of the correct ratio prolongs life.

I was thinking last night that we used to have the kind of battery "recycling" centers RE described, and now we call them "environmental clean-up sites".

There is (or was)  one here downtown near the river.  I think they had to remove a whole lot of topsoil. Who knows what really happened to it.

Nevertheless, when the laws aren't there to prevent it, I expect someone will very willingly poison the environment and themselves to "get the lead out".  We don't use film x-rays anymore now that we've gone all digital, but back int the day I used to accumulate big chunks of lead, just from the tiny foil strips in dental films. We had trouble getting someone to take it.

Sulfuric acid isn't easy at all to make, unless you have the starting materials handy. One process uses elctrolysis of water. Starting material is....hydrobromic acid.

Nope. Don't got.

You can oxidize sulfur dioxide...nope.

Or...you could find some copper sulfate...maybe, not sure where, and use electrolysis to convert that.

Lacking, is an easy way to go from elemental sulfur straight to the sulfuric acid, although I'm sure somebody does have a hack to get there..

In any case, I already said sulfur is a good prep, because you need it to make black powder. So buy a couple hundred pounds extra for batteries. You'll be glad you did once you figure out how to turn it into one of the of the above starting materials. You can use your still functional PV's to provide electricity for the conversion, if required. Hopefully.

We already have slow catabolic collapse. But I agree with K-Dog, basically. With a little climate change thrown into the mix, or some other horseman of the apocalypse, things become more chaotic and a temporary or permanent loss of all technology looks pretty likely.

Making hydrobromic acid is EZ.  Mix Bromine with water..  Bromine is a liquid at room temperature, one of only 2 elements that is (Hg Mercury ios the other one).  It's used as a Pool  purifier and is commercially available.  When you buy your Sulfur, stock up on some Bromine also.

RE

Good info. But it ain't cheap. I guess that's why my pool guy uses chlorine. Bromine is $140 for 25 pounds. Still sounds real useful though. Maybe worth it.
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Doomsteading / Re: C5 Walks into a Diner...
« Last post by RE on June 21, 2018, 08:44:38 AM »
I feel like the last one who cares.

The Diners are in the same car; you're not alone.

RE
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Doomsteading / Re: C5 Walks into a Diner...
« Last post by RE on June 21, 2018, 08:41:43 AM »
There will still be batts around for the rest of your life.  Certainly lasting longer than plug ion power for your corded power tools.
RE


Rebuilding lead acid batteries is a dirty dangerous job and requires all kinds of specialized equipment.  Any cottage industry would poison their workers and make shit batteries with no shelf life.  Making long life lead acid batteries requires special considerations and even then if they are not charged within a year they sulfate.  Edison cells are far better for collapse.  Too bad they are not made anymore.  After collapse things will be chaotic and no economy will exist to support cottage industries of any kind.  It will be game over and we will have the die-off.  You know, the one even doomers deny.

Anybody want to pull slow catabolic collapse out of their ass?  It feels so good.  So good to hear you can get someone to take your money preaching it to you.
May as well do both at the same time.  They pull catabolic collapse out of their ass while you pull these out of yours.  Feel twice as good so I'm told.


Dark ages with battery fed lighting.  Not going to happen.  When we get our dark ages it will be the real thing.  No compromise.

Only way you are going to get your batteries is if we go into collapse with a socialist government but socialists in America were wiped out 100 years ago. 

Kiss that dream goodbye.  After SHTF it is game over.  That is the hard truth.  Nothing about the life we have now goes forward.  Capitalism was the dinosaur that ruled the earth.  Socialism was the little mammal-like critter that could have survived after a SHTF comet splashes hard rock, but they were wiped out.


If you know anyone who is 'into' lead acid batteries you know their garage quickly becomes full of worthless sulfated junk.  That you assumed lead acid batteries could be whipped up like tallow candles at Jamestown shows you have not had your share of dead ass batteries.


One of the plates uses lead oxide.  Very toxic.


http://www.integrachem.com/msds/L285_003.pdf  <== Here is the Lead Oxide Material Safety Data Sheet.

To form the lead oxide atomized lead is sprayed into the air.  Long life batteries also need Antimony and their construction must be carefully managed so a surplus of plate material of the correct ratio prolongs life.

I was thinking last night that we used to have the kind of battery "recycling" centers RE described, and now we call them "environmental clean-up sites".

There is (or was)  one here downtown near the river.  I think they had to remove a whole lot of topsoil. Who knows what really happened to it.

Nevertheless, when the laws aren't there to prevent it, I expect someone will very willingly poison the environment and themselves to "get the lead out".  We don't use film x-rays anymore now that we've gone all digital, but back int the day I used to accumulate big chunks of lead, just from the tiny foil strips in dental films. We had trouble getting someone to take it.

Sulfuric acid isn't easy at all to make, unless you have the starting materials handy. One process uses elctrolysis of water. Starting material is....hydrobromic acid.

Nope. Don't got.

You can oxidize sulfur dioxide...nope.

Or...you could find some copper sulfate...maybe, not sure where, and use electrolysis to convert that.

Lacking, is an easy way to go from elemental sulfur straight to the sulfuric acid, although I'm sure somebody does have a hack to get there..

In any case, I already said sulfur is a good prep, because you need it to make black powder. So buy a couple hundred pounds extra for batteries. You'll be glad you did once you figure out how to turn it into one of the of the above starting materials. You can use your still functional PV's to provide electricity for the conversion, if required. Hopefully.

We already have slow catabolic collapse. But I agree with K-Dog, basically. With a little climate change thrown into the mix, or some other horseman of the apocalypse, things become more chaotic and a temporary or permanent loss of all technology looks pretty likely.

Making hydrobromic acid is EZ.  Mix Bromine with water..  Bromine is a liquid at room temperature, one of only 2 elements that is (Hg Mercury ios the other one).  It's used as a Pool  purifier and is commercially available.  When you buy your Sulfur, stock up on some Bromine also.

RE
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Doomsteading / Re: C5 Walks into a Diner...
« Last post by Eddie on June 21, 2018, 08:27:49 AM »
 

Somewhere here in the dim past these is a terrible video I made of my two gennies.

Neither is expensive, but then I have never used either of them and don't know how good they are.


One is a smallish diesel (Yanmar powered) mil-spec unit that puts out 2500 watts. The critical thing though, is that it's DC, not AC. DC generators are way simpler than AC. You can run it through your inverter or run straight DC loads. A small DC generator is also back-up for the solar battery array. Diesel sun for winter storms. Mine is 24V and I have a couple of 24V inverters.

The second genny is my Genie welder. Its a twofer. Welder and genny. I mounted it for belt drive and hooked up a Harbor Freight gas engine.

I don't stockpile fuel, except in my boats. But that amounts to maybe 75 gallons I could get if I need it.

Texas has its own power grid. I expect we'll be the last grid to go.


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Marathon Man Newz / Re: Socialist States Are Cutting Bennies Too
« Last post by Eddie on June 21, 2018, 08:14:23 AM »
How much land does a man need?

(This is a literary joke, for those who never read any Tolstoy.)
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Far Out Newz / Re: New Academic Paper Says Consciousness is Everywhere
« Last post by Eddie on June 21, 2018, 08:12:07 AM »
https://www.sott.net/article/388572-New-paper-on-the-hard-problem-of-consciousness


Chris Mahon
Outer Places
Mon, 18 Jun 2018
Ready to have your mind blown?

A new paper published in The Journal of Consciousness Studies claims that consciousness isn’t a unique property of humans-rather, the entire universe is conscious, and humans are all manifestations of its multiple personalities.

The proposition, based on research into dissociative identity disorder in humans, is meant to solve a perennial problem in philosophy: the “hard problem” of finding where consciousness comes from and understanding its true nature.

The hard problem of consciousness can be summed up like this:

    Humans are made up of a bunch of matter (atoms) that organizes itself into biological systems (sensory organs, the brain, etc.), but if humans are just assemblies of various systems, why are we able to reflect on those systems and have individual, subjective experiences?

Why aren’t we unthinking automatons?

Of course, the question of where human consciousness comes from is made even more difficult by the fuzzy definition of what actually constitutes “consciousness.”

One potential theory, called “constitutive panpsychism,” is that consciousness doesn’t just magically spring from the complexity of physical systems like the brain-instead, everything has its own rudimentary form of consciousness, all the way down to atoms.

However, that runs into its own issue, called the “combination problem”: What mechanism would allow a bunch of smaller consciousnesses add up to form a bigger, human-sized one?

This is where dissociative identity disorder (DID) research comes into play.

Scientists have discovered that some people have multiple, subjective consciousnesses contained within their brain, each of which can have its own subjective experience-for example, one woman had a separate personality (called an “alter”) that was blind, and after undergoing a brain scan, it was found that the parts of the brain associated with sight were turned “off” when that alter was in control.

This spurred scientist Bernardo Kastrup to wonder if we were looking at the structure of human consciousness the wrong way.

The research into DID made Kastrup reassess a theory called “cosmopsychism,” which proposes that the universe as a whole is a united consciousness spread across all creation, and all the matter we observe is its “body”: “The physical universe as a whole is the extrinsic appearance of universal inner life, just as a living brain and body are the extrinsic appearance of a person’s inner life.” The issue, of course, is that if everything was part of one consciousness, humans would be aware of everything that’s happening the universe, as well as within each other’s minds.

This is where Kastrup makes his big claim:

“We know empirically from DID that consciousness can give rise to many operationally distinct centers of concurrent experience, each with its own personality and sense of identity. Therefore, if something analogous to DID happens at a universal level, the one universal consciousness could, as a result, give rise to many alters with private inner lives like yours and ours. As such, we may all be alters-dissociated personalities-of universal consciousness.”

Think about that for a few hours.

I'm pretty close to this belief system, although understanding consciousness is like a blind man trying to describe an elephant. I know we're getting it wrong, but maybe at least there IS an elephant to try to describe here.

This guy did not invent this idea. It's been around for a long time, and the same general conclusion can be arrived at by asking "why" the universe is even here, and why all the cosmic events in the universe that have nothing at all to do with us, even happen.

Why are stars born? Why do black holes exist? Why is the universe expanding?

Because the universe is becoming something. Something different that what it once was. Something different than what it is now.

You can decide it's all random, or that nothing is random. If you don't like randomness as the answer, pretty quick you get to universal consciousness.

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