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The Kitchen Sink / Re: BLOG CRASH!
« on: June 04, 2015, 07:36:13 PM »
The site has had intermittent problems all day, the hosting service will help with a restore for the blog tomorrow.

When you go to the blog, you may notice odd links in french, and there may also be articles for "NCFA Online Nats" and North Carolina transportation (unless UrbanScount is one of our bloggers).  For some unknown reason other clients records were merged into our database.

Blog should be normal by the end of tomorrow.  Can't say the same for the staff, though, it might take RE some time to recover from the sleepless nights.




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SUN ☼ / Re: The Diner Convocation BEGINSi
« on: April 09, 2014, 06:31:53 PM »
I've not deleted anything, other admins may have moved messages.  Rather busy at the course learning and networking.




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SUN ☼ / Re: Diner Convocation Photo Contest
« on: April 07, 2014, 09:18:25 AM »
eg I thought the guy in the red sweater was haniel, anyway before I checked the result just then when I first saw the foto I noticed the guy was not on the computer and the computer was quite missable, really yet the person was framed to the side so the uninteresting and unrelated to eddie in interesting bright red and not in a prepared moment, but laptop was central.


That's RE's laptop center frame, it lacked anti-virus and was loaded with bloatware from the manufacturer.


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SUN ☼ / Re: The Diner Convocation BEGINS!
« on: April 04, 2014, 05:54:47 AM »
There are public and private boards.

Doom steading -> SUN is public and comments feed the sun4living website.


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Doom Psychology & Philosophy / Re: Movie review: Noah
« on: April 02, 2014, 03:08:42 PM »

Based on nothing more than the established history of how religion and the Bible has been used in the past, I would assign a high level of probability that it was DESIGNED to be internally inconsistent, that future generations could find within it whatever excuse they needed to justify anything and everything they might wish.

You have admit, getting followers to make human sacrifices out of each other is a pretty smart move on its part.   




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Doom Psychology & Philosophy / Re: Movie review: Noah
« on: April 02, 2014, 10:43:41 AM »

And you have no problem acting like the 'generally uninformed' people you continuously criticize on other threads?

People don't usually ACT ignorant...they ARE ignorant. And I certainly hold no ill will towards those who are professionally educated on a subject and are then in a position to contradict everything I say from an authoritarian stance. I call that learning. When it comes to religion, I can generally be considered ignorant on the topic, beyond it being used as a punishment as a child, and having read most of the Old Testament as a "learning" experience. Not that it taught me what some might expect.

I was a Christian before I went to university with a tendency towards a fundamentalist interpretation.  I was told beforehand that a theology degree would cause me to question my faith - a significant number of those who read divinity change or abandon religion.  They were right, knowledge does banish ignorance, and replaced it with a healthy respect of what Yahweh does when the power of his followers is left unchecked.  Murder.  Child abuse.  Genocide.  Rape.  All have been, and are in some societies, acceptable behaviors if you carry a bible in your hand.

As a believer in reincarnation, the religions of "the Book" are antithetical to our ways. Yahweh seeks to entrap the soul where it is required to worship be fed to it for all eternity, we want our loved ones to come back and reborn with us.  "Conversion to Christianity" has the carries a similar element of eternal loss to us today, as excommunication did for the victims of the medieval church.


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Doomsteading / Re: Backyard Swimming Pond
« on: April 02, 2014, 10:15:57 AM »
Looks fun.  Solar to provide the hot water, beans to provide the bubbles!


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Doom Psychology & Philosophy / Re: Movie review: Noah
« on: April 02, 2014, 10:14:53 AM »
To argue that the other accounts are unrealistic because their Gods were more like us ignores the fact that the Abrahamic god is a reflection of the idea that a powerful individual or cabal deserves to control our lives.  The 1%.  The Illuminati.  The Holy Church.  The idea that it's okay to abrogate personal responsibility to an elite who you see as "better" than you.

The argument is that other accounts are inaccurate renditions of the same underlying real event. If the event happened, some traditions recounting it are bound to be inaccurate.

The idea that the bible contains "the most accurate account" is a matter of faith, not fact.


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You seem to think that comparing the Biblical narratives and Yahweh to "the 1%" is a substitute for making an actual argument...

No, I pointed out that claiming other flood stories are "silly" because they agree with most of humanity's experience of divinity - that of multiple gods - shows that you have a faith-based blindness to human experience.


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Sorry, the New Atheists have made all of those reckless state-before-you-read/think conclusions before, and none of them hold weight when looking at what the OT actually says.

It's what the OT "actually says" that makes it clear that the similarities between abusive elites over the ages and the examples in the bible are many, and the bible has been used to "justify" those actions over the centuries.  Rape is an OT virtue.  Genocide is an OT virtue.  Incest is an OT virtue.

Christians love to pick and choose what is "relevant".  The rule on homosexuality applies, but the rule on eating shellfish, pork or wearing mixed fibers does not. 



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The idea that the ark could float is a matter of faith, much like the Gilgamesh boat, you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who knows ship building who would say it was seaworthy - the faithful followers of the divine 1% excepted.

Right, like the people who have actually re-created the Ark according to biblical dimensions and put it on water?

Really?  to scale, or a model?  I can make a glider out of a sheet of paper, if I scale it up to the size of a jumbo, I may have trouble getting it to fly. 


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Doomsteading / Re: Backyard Swimming Pond
« on: April 02, 2014, 08:20:07 AM »
Cute.  I tried to convince the wife to convert our pool to a pond but she said no, would reduce the property value and we want to sell and move. 







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They've started swabbing hands and running them though the chemical analyzer at our local airport.  I'll be testing their sensitivity to precursor chemicals this flight.  A swab on Berticus's carry-on bag handle should suffice to test.   I'll text ahead if he will need KY when he lands...






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Doom Psychology & Philosophy / Re: Movie review: Noah
« on: April 01, 2014, 10:13:33 AM »
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http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/gilgamesh.html
"The first striking thing that one notices when reading the Epic of Gilgamesh is how silly the story is. Part of the silliness is because of the obviously human-like behavior of the gods. They are constantly fighting amongst each other, plotting and deceiving each other.

Of course the behavior of Gods is very human like, we were made in their image, at least according to your God.  Take a look at the variety of religions, both current and ancient, where the Gods experience the same dilemmas, go through similar types of struggles, yet on a different scale.  A gulf of power separates us, but we are alike.  The Indian Gods battled, the Norse gods plotted and schemed, the Celtic Gods went to war.  Politics and intrigue roamed the hallowed halls of deity far and wide.

Taken within the context of multiple pantheons of Gods, one 'family' of Gods stands out as different to the rest, in that it is now tries to claim a "privilege" over everything - effectively the "1%" of Gods.  It sees itself as "better" than everyone else, deserving of all the attention and worship of all creation, not just it's own little desert tribe.  It believes in a monopoly over all things, particularly worship; enforced at the end of the sword, with those who won't buy into it's way of doing things butchered.  It even has it's own occupy movement - they are called heretics.

It is a smart marketer, creating the first "instant gratification" - salvation though faith - that quickly undermined the more established products on the market and their own corrupt supply chains (as we established, Gods have human traits).

The children of this family even suffer from Affulenza - everyone else has to die, but no, dad has to intervene for the "special" kid, raise him us and sit him where he can keep an eye on him.  Oh, and use control of the MSM to spread the story that he never did a thing wrong even once in his life.  Dad does promise him he can go back and smash up all the others kids' toys one day, though.  :)

I've yet to come across any "God" that interacts with humanity who is not like humans - after a fashion.  Yahweh makes our 1% seem like benevolent angels looking over us lesser mortals.  The destruction of places of worship belonging to competing religions were systematically destroyed, a little more aggressively than Walmart does moving into an area, but it had a similar impact on the local spiritual ecosystem.  Where there was variety, monoculture reduced the landscape to blandness.  Like that same 1%, it has opposed education, preferring an ignorant and easily manipulated herd.  Feudalism is God's business model made manifest on earth.


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One would expect this part of the story to be removed from a Genesis copy. Therefore, we would expect that the Genesis account would be changed to involve some kind of judgment, since Yahweh (God) does not capriciously destroy humans, as was done in the Gilgamesh epic.

No, he has a reason - they were not making him enough profit (giving worship).  Destroying those weaker than oneself is acceptable if its in line with the corporate agenda. The suckers in the 99% will even believe you if you tell them, "that was the last right-sizing' of the workforce."

He had a reason too, when he sent bears to kill children for making fun of a bald spot.  He had a reason when he tired to encourage human sacrifice from Abraham, and the, "you won't?  Okay, good, I was just testing you," would be familiar to anyone who has been pushed past breaking point by an abuser with power over them.

The "God of the Book" is very human in its behavior and how it orders the universe around it.  The structure of heaven from the middle ages was the current social order on a divine scale, with a torture chamber in the basement and all the peasants giving him what he craves, - more attention than any of the other gods.

To argue that the other accounts are unrealistic because their Gods were more like us ignores the fact that the Abrahamic god is a reflection of the idea that a powerful individual or cabal deserves to control our lives.  The 1%.  The Illuminati.  The Holy Church.  The idea that it's okay to abrogate personal responsibility to an elite who you see as "better" than you.


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The boats in the two accounts are quite different. The Gilgamesh boat was an unseaworthy cube with a slate roof. Obviously, such a design would immediately flip over or roll around in the water. In contrast, the ark had dimensions that were ideal for a seaworthy ship. This fact might be surprising, since both cultures were not noted for their nautical skills. It is obvious that the gods of the Sumerians had no expertise in shipbuilding."[/i]

The idea that the ark could float is a matter of faith, much like the Gilgamesh boat, you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who knows ship building who would say it was seaworthy - the faithful followers of the divine 1% excepted.

It's okay to believe one's God is "special" and one's relationship with that God is "special".  It touches a deep human need that probably goes back to our mothers telling us how important we were to them. One's relationship with divinity is unique, one does not have to claim that your God is the only God or the only valid God to enjoy that relationship. 

Your "Gods" need to be the only game in town is a very ... human failing.

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The Kitchen Sink / Re: Departing for Monolithic
« on: March 31, 2014, 12:14:36 PM »
Thanks. I'm working until 2 pm, so I should arrive at the airport between 2:30 2:45. something like that.

My cell is 512-626-1795.

Got your IM but then the office internet went down. See ya Friday.

Mine is 617-982-DOOM. 



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Doom Psychology & Philosophy / Re: Movie review: Noah
« on: March 31, 2014, 12:13:02 PM »
I have to wonder if the Sumerians and Babylonians also got their noses out of joint and complained about the upstart Hebrews culturally misappropriating their story? 

http://www.ancient.eu.com/article/227/


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The Kitchen Sink / Re: Departing for Monolithic
« on: March 31, 2014, 09:47:30 AM »
We arrive at 2:30 PM, a little after RE, before WHD, I believe. 

 

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The Kitchen Sink / Re: Hey Mking!
« on: March 30, 2014, 11:25:46 AM »
RE accidentally screwed up your account and password with his constant joking.  I copied your member record from a backup so you should be able to get back in. It worked when I restored Uncle Bob a while back.

You may remind RE of this whenever he claims he's the greatest Administrator ever.  :P

Thanks for the shout out. I was wondering if this was just a continuation of the  "ban them by changing their password and then it isn't really a ban" doublespeak censorship plan that RE has employed in the past. Nice to hear that it is just incompetence, and proof of what little value those extra 30 IQ points are worth in the land of those of us who DO for a living.

Professionals to the rescue of the neophytes….thanks again...

RE's competent on forum maintenance and does more general admin than me, but odd tweaks are not his area of expertise, and we are having issues with signup and membership tables that I'm having difficulty tracking down myself, so while RE may not have been able to fix it, its not clear he was responsible for the problem.  I don't try to out-napalm RE, he doesn't try to out-geek me.  It works.  :)

He's also true to his word - no banning.   


Fix your email address please, the one on file is bouncing, and RE tried to let you know he messed up and get you a new password though the normal admin functions, plus a bouncing email means you can't use the password reset.  Plenty of free mail services if you're keeping your home or work on unconnected with forum activity.  I guess that puts you in the same "neophyte" class needing rescuing... 


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