Doomstead Diner Menu => Geopolitics => Topic started by: RE on February 09, 2018, 06:58:22 AM

Title: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: RE on February 09, 2018, 06:58:22 AM
Diner Globalists are requested to VOTE for the candidate best qualified to Lead the World in the Age of Collapse from the current Top Leaders available to choose from.  The Nominees are:

Donald Trump
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DU1wKsFVAAA-o5u.jpg)

Vladimir Putin
(https://twt-media.washtimes.com/media/image/2017/12/28/russia_putin_36501.jpg)

Xi Jinping
(http://im.rediff.com/news/2016/oct/27lead2.jpg)

Angela Merkel
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-dWxAJdnaMO4/UcN4tsIVaQI/AAAAAAAAbHQ/RwHVixcfPNQ/s1600/article-2344619-1A681CB5000005DC-988_634x500.jpg)

Theresa May
(http://static4.businessinsider.com/image/5831c0b2dd0895596d8b4d1d/theresa-may-brexit-need-not-divide-britain.jpg)

Remember: Your VOTE means something!  ::)  The outcome of Industrial Civilization Collapse hangs in the balance here!  If you don't vote correctly or don't vote at all, you could be responsible for the annihiliation of all life on Earth!  :o

RE
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: K-Dog on February 09, 2018, 07:45:20 AM
Putin paws down!
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: Eddie on February 09, 2018, 07:50:05 AM
I could never vote for a President of the World who drinks white wine.
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: RE on February 09, 2018, 07:53:54 AM
I could never vote for a President of the World who drinks white wine.

So that limits you to Xi or Theresa.  Which one?

RE
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: Eddie on February 09, 2018, 08:12:38 AM
Typical election. I hate all the candidates.
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: Eddie on February 09, 2018, 08:16:51 AM
Mebbe Rafael Correa.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/17/President_Correa_2012.jpg/440px-President_Correa_2012.jpg)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rafael_Correa
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: RE on February 09, 2018, 10:32:25 AM
Mebbe Rafael Correa.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/17/President_Correa_2012.jpg/440px-President_Correa_2012.jpg)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rafael_Correa

He's not on the ballot.  You HAVE to vote for one of the candidates on the ballot who has a chance of winning.  You actually get FIVE choices in the diner election as opposed to only TWO realistic choices in an FSoA election.

RE
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: azozeo on February 09, 2018, 10:36:45 AM
No write in's .... COME ON MAN  :coffee:

The planet should be ruled by 12 grandmothers 6 above the equator & 6 below.
They need to be of indigenous heritage.

Psycopatheocracy doesn't work RE.
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: RE on February 09, 2018, 10:45:03 AM
No write in's .... COME ON MAN  :coffee:

The planet should be ruled by 12 grandmothers 6 above the equator & 6 below.
They need to be of indigenous heritage.

Psycopatheocracy doesn't work RE.

No write ins.  Look at the Poll at the top of the page.  Do you see a spot for write ins?  SMF doesn't offer that option in the software.

RE
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: RE on February 09, 2018, 02:03:04 PM
NOBODY HAS VOTED!  :o

Can you imagine what that would be like in Amerika if NOBODY voted?  How do you pick a new Leader?  How could Koch money affect an election?

RE
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: Eddie on February 09, 2018, 02:20:12 PM
We are in revolt. We want Palloy for World President. We don't trust those other communists.
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: RE on February 09, 2018, 02:26:47 PM
We are in revolt. We want Palloy for World President. We don't trust those other communists.

Palloy is not on the Ballot.  As I said, you MUST vote for one of the candidates on the ballot, or choose NOT to vote.  But how can we have a "Democracy" if nobody will vote? ???  :icon_scratch:

RE
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: Eddie on February 09, 2018, 02:51:08 PM
It's a common problem with Democracies in decline. Get used to it. LOL.
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: g on February 09, 2018, 02:52:23 PM
I will pick Donald Trump for a Collapse World President.

After much thought his being a graduate of West Point and his surrounding himself with generals is what we need in a societal breakdown.
Generals aren't my favorite kind of people, but lets face it, who better trained and equipped to maintain some semblance of order?  It's the business there in.   

                           
                                The Business We've Chosen - Hyman Roth

                             
                          http://www.youtube.com/v/io43ak_Vias

                                 


Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: g on February 09, 2018, 02:55:58 PM
Goodnight Diners, Brain dead from the markets.

TGIF What a week. 
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: azozeo on February 09, 2018, 05:19:40 PM
We are in revolt. We want Palloy for World President. We don't trust those other communists.

Palloy is not on the Ballot.  As I said, you MUST vote for one of the candidates on the ballot, or choose NOT to vote.  But how can we have a "Democracy" if nobody will vote? ???  :icon_scratch:

RE


You offered us a Dick-Tater-ship...Ship of fools.
At least throw in a girl from Kansas with her dog.
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: jdwheeler42 on February 09, 2018, 05:21:24 PM
Theresa May seems to be the least effectual and thus gets my vote as the least offensive candidate for POTW.

Now, if I were Russian, I would be for Putin all the way....
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: Eddie on February 09, 2018, 05:33:36 PM
I will pick Donald Trump for a Collapse World President.

After much thought his being a graduate of West Point and his surrounding himself with generals is what we need in a societal breakdown.
Generals aren't my favorite kind of people, but lets face it, who better trained and equipped to maintain some semblance of order?  It's the business there in.   

                           
                                The Business We've Chosen - Hyman Roth

                             
                          http://www.youtube.com/v/io43ak_Vias

                               
(https://images.dailykos.com/images/183602/story_image/trump-napoleon.jpg?1453923560)
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: Eddie on February 09, 2018, 05:39:42 PM
Theresa May seems to be the least effectual and thus gets my vote as the least offensive candidate for POTW.

Now, if I were Russian, I would be for Putin all the way....

I was considering voting for her based on her wine selection. It's the only confirmed red. I'm not sure what the Chink is drinking. It looks like it might be some vile Chinese dark brandy or something.
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: azozeo on February 09, 2018, 05:48:59 PM
With those folks abilities it may be best suited to start out small like an island.
Gilligan's got one he could recommend.
Then perhaps a peninsula. Baby steps here.
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: azozeo on February 09, 2018, 05:53:13 PM
Look at what Fidel & his brother Raul have done with their digs.
Keep all the central banks & cabal members from trespassing for the last 50 years.
Played nice with the commies. An upgrade may be in the works here.
Why didn't you put Raul up there ?  :icon_scratch:
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: RE on February 09, 2018, 07:04:25 PM
It's a common problem with Democracies in decline. Get used to it. LOL.

Where did you read that?

RE
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: RE on February 10, 2018, 05:06:54 AM
I didn't include Leaders like Raul Castro from small countries because there are too many of them.  Besides, they wouldn't get their campaigns funded by the Illuminati, so no chance of winning.  I picked only Leaders from countries with either a strong military, strong economic clout or both.  I also didn't drop in choices like Dorothy from Zardoz or Wiley Coyote.  ::)  I was trying to make this a realistic test.

At least we finally got some voting, and Vlad the Impaler won.  I voted for Vlad myself.  My reasons:

1-  He's completely ruthless, but does seem to care about the average Ivan Vodka Bottle.
2-  He's a Chess Master and good Strategist
3-  He's a fuckload smarter than the other 4

I will redo the poll for the next one.  In the next poll, you will get to vote for anyone from all of history to be POTW.  You also get to nominate your own candidates.  The only restriction is they must already be DEAD.  So you could nominate Ghandi or Genghis Khan or Thomas Jefferson or JFK or Rodney Dangerfield.  :icon_mrgreen:  Nominations are now OPEN for a new POTW Poll!  :icon_sunny:  I already know who I am nominating.  You only get one nomination choice.

RE
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: azozeo on February 10, 2018, 07:58:15 AM
I didn't include Leaders like Raul Castro from small countries because there are too many of them.  Besides, they wouldn't get their campaigns funded by the Illuminati, so no chance of winning.  I picked only Leaders from countries with either a strong military, strong economic clout or both.  I also didn't drop in choices like Dorothy from Zardoz or Wiley Coyote.  ::)  I was trying to make this a realistic test.

At least we finally got some voting, and Vlad the Impaler won.  I voted for Vlad myself.  My reasons:

1-  He's completely ruthless, but does seem to care about the average Ivan Vodka Bottle.
2-  He's a Chess Master and good Strategist
3-  He's a fuckload smarter than the other 4

I will redo the poll for the next one.  In the next poll, you will get to vote for anyone from all of history to be POTW.  You also get to nominate your own candidates.  The only restriction is they must already be DEAD.  So you could nominate Ghandi or Genghis Khan or Thomas Jefferson or JFK or Rodney Dangerfield.  :icon_mrgreen:  Nominations are now OPEN for a new POTW Poll!  :icon_sunny:  I already know who I am nominating.  You only get one nomination choice.

RE

Bettin' the farm on Mother Theresa  :icon_sunny:
Title: 😎 NEW NOMINATIONS now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: RE on February 10, 2018, 08:11:46 AM
Here are the Top Ten of the possible Nominees I rejected from my final Short List before deciding on my Nominee From History for POTW.  :icon_mrgreen:

Mohandas Ghandi:  Too wimpy and probably a child molester
Jesus Christ:  Ineffective Leader with a failed philosophy
Thomas Jefferson: Slave Owner and Whitey Landlord
Martin Luther King: Womanizer and ineffective leader
Napoleon Bonaparte: Too short
Shaka Zulu: Too Tall
Albert Einstein:  Smart in Physics, but not great in People Skills.  Also bad hair.
Socrates:  Liked Little Boys a little too much
Ghengis Khan: It's OK to be RUTHLESS,  but you can go a little too far with this
Buddha: Makes no CFS

Get your Nomination from History in TODAY so I can include it in the Poll!  You should drop in a short Bio or Link for your choice to justify why this historical figure would be the best Global Leader for Homo Sap as we walk down the road of Collapse.

RE
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: RE on February 10, 2018, 08:18:11 AM
OK, AZ has nominated Mother Theresa.  Get your candidate in TODAY!

RE
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: Eddie on February 10, 2018, 09:31:24 AM
The Rockefellers and the Rothschilds and the Warburgs and the War Bucks and the rest of the the super elites don't give a rat's ass who is president. They don't care about consolidating political power under one despot. It's just about absolute power over everybody's money.

No use playing games with dead people when there are good courageous leaders who have done things right. This guy will be dead soon (He's two weeks  older than I am) so he's CLOSE to being dead...he's retired, but we could bring him back.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d5/Jigme_Singye_Wangchuck.jpg)

King Jigme Singye Wangchuck

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jigme_Singye_Wangchuck

Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: RE on February 10, 2018, 10:51:40 AM
The Rockefellers and the Rothschilds and the Warburgs and the War Bucks and the rest of the the super elites don't give a rat's ass who is president. They don't care about consolidating political power under one despot. It's just about absolute power over everybody's money.

No use playing games with dead people when there are good courageous leaders who have done things right. This guy will be dead soon (He's two weeks  older than I am) so he's CLOSE to being dead...he's retired, but we could bring him back.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d5/Jigme_Singye_Wangchuck.jpg)

King Jigme Singye Wangchuck

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jigme_Singye_Wangchuck

We'll do it again open to still living people.  For this one, you have to pick a dead person from history.  Those are the rules.

RE
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: Eddie on February 10, 2018, 11:26:59 AM
I'll have to stick with Good King Stan the First.

(http://artyzm.com/matejko/poczet/leszczynski.jpg)




The last duke of Lorraine was Stanislaus I, the former king of Poland. A devout Catholic, an author and a philanthropist, Stanislaus had a church built and several follies in his gardens for the amusement and education of visiting Polish nobility and followers of the Enlightenment. The more famous visitors to his court were Voltaire, Jean-Jacques Rousseau, André Morellet, and Montesquieu.

His court at Lunéville became famous as a cultural centre, and he founded an academy of science at Nancy and a military college. In 1749 he published a book entitled Free Voice to Make Freedom Safe, an outline of his proposed changes in the Polish constitution. Editions of his letters to his daughter Marie, to the kings of Prussia, and to Jacques Hulin, his minister at Versailles, have been published.[1]

In Nancy, Place Stanislas (Stanisław Square) was named in his honour.

On 26 January 1736, Stanisław again abdicated the throne, but received in compensation the Duchy of Lorraine and of Bar, which was to revert to France on his death. In 1738, he sold his estates of Rydzyna and Leszno to Count (later Prince) Alexander Joseph Sułkowski. He settled at Lunéville, founded there in 1750 both the Académie de Stanislas and Bibliothèque municipale de Nancy, and devoted himself for the rest of his life to science and philanthropy, engaging most notably in controversy with Rousseau.[2] He also published Głos wolny wolność ubezpieczający, one of the most important political treatises of the Polish Enlightenment.

Leszczyński (Stanislaw)  died in 1766, aged 88 as a result of serious burns – his silk attire caught fire from a spark while the King was snoozing near the fireplace in his palace in Lunéville.




Eisenhower commandeered the Luneville palace for his headquarters in France in the waning days of WWII. At least he had good tastes. We visited this place, which is a national monument of course. Very old people there still like Americans, because we saved their ass from Hitler.

King Stan's girlfriend's house, accessible by carriage from the street just around the corner behind the  palace, was within a hundred feet of the palace back door, and could be entered discretely from the palace gardens through a gate in the high garden wall. Ah, France.

Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: K-Dog on February 10, 2018, 12:03:10 PM
Look at what Fidel & his brother Raul have done with their digs.
Keep all the central banks & cabal members from trespassing for the last 50 years.
Played nice with the commies. An upgrade may be in the works here.
Why didn't you put Raul up there ?  :icon_scratch:

Age and you have to remember that while Raul was the intellectual brains behind the revolution he plays in the background.  He should be part of the team but nobody has to know.
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: K-Dog on February 10, 2018, 12:14:06 PM
Ok, I am not going to read the whole thread to find out what the current rules are.  Good King Stan is dead.  A real Prez of the world has to be alive which disqualifies many, even some who breath and have beating hearts.  I went with Putin in the initial choices, selection being limited.  There are many living choices which can be considered.

(http://www.telesurtv.net/__export/1438649606858/sites/telesur/img/news/2015/08/03/evomorales.png_1733209419.png)

Juan Evo Morales Ayma (born October 26, 1959), popularly known as Evo (Spanish pronunciation: [ˈeβo moˈɾales]), is a Bolivian politician and cocalero activist who has been serving as President of Bolivia since 2006. Widely regarded as the country's first president to come from the indigenous population,[a] his administration has focused on the implementation of leftist policies, poverty reduction, and combating the influence of the United States and multinational corporations in Bolivia. A socialist, he is the head of the Movement for Socialism (MAS) party.
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: K-Dog on February 10, 2018, 12:34:47 PM
The Rockefellers and the Rothschilds and the Warburgs and the War Bucks and the rest of the the super elites don't give a rat's ass who is president. They don't care about consolidating political power under one despot. It's just about absolute power over everybody's money.

No use playing games with dead people when there are good courageous leaders who have done things right. This guy will be dead soon (He's two weeks  older than I am) so he's CLOSE to being dead...he's retired, but we could bring him back.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d5/Jigme_Singye_Wangchuck.jpg)

King Jigme Singye Wangchuck

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jigme_Singye_Wangchuck (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jigme_Singye_Wangchuck)

We'll do it again open to still living people.  For this one, you have to pick a dead person from history.  Those are the rules.

RE

He put his son in power who when coronated said:

Quote
“ Throughout my reign, I will never rule you as a King. I will protect you as a parent, care for you as a brother and serve you as a son. I shall give you everything and keep nothing; I shall live such a life as a good human being that you may find it worthy to serve as an example for your children; I have no personal goals other than to fulfill your hopes and aspirations. I shall always serve, day and night, in the spirit of kindness, justice and equality.”

From His Majesty's Coronation Address to the people of the Kingdom of Bhutan, 6 November 2008


Enjoy,

http://kidufoundation.org/ (http://kidufoundation.org/)
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: RE on February 10, 2018, 12:52:27 PM
I'll have to stick with Good King Stan the First.

Great choice!  Now we have 3 nominees from history:

1-  Mother Theresa
2-  King Stan
3-  RE's Mystery nominee

I need at least 2 more nominees before I set up the Poll.  I want a nice selection to choose from, unlike Amerikan elections.  Come on Diners!  You have all of recorded history to choose from!  There must be SOMEBODY you think would make a good POTW!

RE
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: Surly1 on February 10, 2018, 01:12:00 PM
I'll have to stick with Good King Stan the First.

Great choice!  Now we have 3 nominees from history:

1-  Mother Theresa
2-  King Stan
3-  RE's Mystery nominee

I need at least 2 more nominees before I set up the Poll.  I want a nice selection to choose from, unlike Amerikan elections.  Come on Diners!  You have all of recorded history to choose from!  There must be SOMEBODY you think would make a good POTW!

RE

Cyrus II of Persia. 559 BC – 530 BC.

Cyrus was tolerant to all who lived under his empire and allowed them to practice their religions and maintain their forms of government asking only for a yearly tribute. He is credited with coming up with the first declaration of human rights. Today a translation of his declaration is on the wall of the United Nations building. Many people believe that much of the Persian empires policy of tolerance comes from its Zoroastrian faith which advocates the universal brotherhood of mankind.

Could also make a case for King Louis XIV of France.
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: RE on February 10, 2018, 01:20:31 PM
I'll have to stick with Good King Stan the First.

Great choice!  Now we have 3 nominees from history:

1-  Mother Theresa
2-  King Stan
3-  RE's Mystery nominee

I need at least 2 more nominees before I set up the Poll.  I want a nice selection to choose from, unlike Amerikan elections.  Come on Diners!  You have all of recorded history to choose from!  There must be SOMEBODY you think would make a good POTW!

RE

Cyrus II of Persia. 559 BC – 530 BC.

Cyrus was tolerant to all who lived under his empire and allowed them to practice their religions and maintain their forms of government asking only for a yearly tribute. He is credited with coming up with the first declaration of human rights. Today a translation of his declaration is on the wall of the United Nations building. Many people believe that much of the Persian empires policy of tolerance comes from its Zoroastrian faith which advocates the universal brotherhood of mankind.

Could also make a case for King Louis XIV of France.

You only get one nominee.  Cyrus  II now on the Ballot.

Reminder folks, you don't have to stick to just Kings and other Monarchs, you can pick from Philosophers, Scientist, whatevah.  The only restriction is they have to be dead.

RE
Title: Re: 😎 NEW NOMINATIONS now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: jdwheeler42 on February 10, 2018, 04:29:03 PM
Jesus Christ:  Ineffective Leader with a failed philosophy
While I can't argue with you that his philosophy has failed to have been followed for the most part, but as an organizational leader, who else has started institutions that have lasted 2 millennia?  Perhaps the ancient Egyptians, but I'm not sure we even have the names of their founders....  Constantine's Byzantine Empire barely made 1 millennium.

Bonus, his organization grew in a time while the rest of Western civilization was collapsing....
Title: Re: 😎 NEW NOMINATIONS now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: RE on February 10, 2018, 05:43:12 PM
Jesus Christ:  Ineffective Leader with a failed philosophy
While I can't argue with you that his philosophy has failed to have been followed for the most part, but as an organizational leader, who else has started institutions that have lasted 2 millennia?  Perhaps the ancient Egyptians, but I'm not sure we even have the names of their founders....  Constantine's Byzantine Empire barely made 1 millennium.

Bonus, his organization grew in a time while the rest of Western civilization was collapsing....

So are you nominating Constantine?

RE
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: K-Dog on February 10, 2018, 07:28:57 PM
I was going with Cyrus but someone beat me to it so I have a new deadster choice.

(https://fthmb.tqn.com/bAshZ-Ba0yHaqFw0jjS13tvMOIE=/768x0/filters:no_upscale()/Hypatia-463918803x-56aa27cd5f9b58b7d001101f.jpg)
HYPATIA

Hypatia was born in 370 A. D. in Alexandria, Egypt and was later described as a beautifully and well-proportioned woman. She was the daughter of Theon who was a distinguished professor at the University of Alexandria. Nothing of Hypatia's mother is known, but that is not uncommon for this time period.

Theon had high expectations for his daughter for he was intent on producing a perfect human being. For this reason, Hypatia was a fortunate child. Her father acted as her tutor and teacher when training Hypatia in the fields of arts, literature, science, and philosophy. Theon also made his daughter do physical activities, such as rowing, swimming, and horseback riding, to keep Hypatia physically fit. Hypatia was trained in speech enhancing her ability to relay her knowledge to others and her giftedness to be an orator.

http://www.math.wichita.edu/history/Women/hypatia.html (http://www.math.wichita.edu/history/Women/hypatia.html)

Title: Re: 😎 NEW NOMINATIONS now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: K-Dog on February 10, 2018, 07:36:58 PM
Jesus Christ:  Ineffective Leader with a failed philosophy
While I can't argue with you that his philosophy has failed to have been followed for the most part, but as an organizational leader, who else has started institutions that have lasted 2 millennia?  Perhaps the ancient Egyptians, but I'm not sure we even have the names of their founders....  Constantine's Byzantine Empire barely made 1 millennium.

Bonus, his organization grew in a time while the rest of Western civilization was collapsing....

So are you nominating Constantine?

RE

Constantine himself took care of business.  His descendants not so much but one relative who managed to avoid execution by Constantine's sons and who also became emperor himself could be a contender.  Julian the Apostate.  Too bad Julian had to leave Paris to die.  Had he lived longer he'd have made a huge impact on the world and we would be a more tolerant society now.  It would be an ironic society since it would be one a true loving god would like but all religions would be tolerated.  That was the actual Roman way.  Yet perhaps I put too many aspirations on this young man who was tolerant and who had learned to despise cruelty because he had experienced it himself.

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Julian was a man of unusually complex character: he was "the military commander, the theosophist, the social reformer, and the man of letters".[5] He was the last non-Christian ruler of the Roman Empire, and he believed that it was necessary to restore the Empire's ancient Roman values and traditions in order to save it from dissolution.[6] He purged the top-heavy state bureaucracy, and attempted to revive traditional Roman religious practices at the expense of Christianity. Julian also forbade the Christians from teaching classical texts and learning.[7] His rejection of the Christianity imposed on him in his youth, and his promotion of Neoplatonic Hellenism in its place caused him to be remembered as Julian the Apostate by the church.

But I nominate Hypatia whom the Christians tore to pieces.
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: RE on February 10, 2018, 08:51:37 PM
Great!  We now have 6 Nominees for the POTW from History Election.  Also got a female into the running as well.

1-  Mother Theresa
2-  King Stan
3-  RE's Mystery nominee
4-  Cyrus
5-  Constantine
6-  Hypatia

Nominations will remain open through tomorrow.

RE
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: K-Dog on February 10, 2018, 10:33:24 PM
Great!  We now have 6 Nominees for the POTW from History Election.  Also got a female into the running as well.

1-  Mother Theresa
2-  King Stan
3-  RE's Mystery nominee
4-  Cyrus
5-  Constantine
6-  Hypatia

Nominations will remain open through tomorrow.

RE

I count two females.  Or at least one and a half.
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: RE on February 10, 2018, 10:35:38 PM
Great!  We now have 6 Nominees for the POTW from History Election.  Also got a female into the running as well.

1-  Mother Theresa
2-  King Stan
3-  RE's Mystery nominee
4-  Cyrus
5-  Constantine
6-  Hypatia

Nominations will remain open through tomorrow.

RE

I count two females.  Or at least one and a half.

Oops.  Make it 2.  :)

RE
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: knarf on February 11, 2018, 04:51:49 AM
Great!  We now have 6 Nominees for the POTW from History Election.  Also got a female into the running as well.

1-  Mother Theresa
2-  King Stan
3-  RE's Mystery nominee
4-  Cyrus
5-  Constantine
6-  Hypatia

Nominations will remain open through tomorrow.

Chris Hedges

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RE
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: RE on February 11, 2018, 05:00:07 AM
Great!  We now have 6 Nominees for the POTW from History Election.  Also got a female into the running as well.

1-  Mother Theresa
2-  King Stan
3-  RE's Mystery nominee
4-  Cyrus
5-  Constantine
6-  Hypatia

Nominations will remain open through tomorrow.

Chris Hedges

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RE

CH is still alive. He doesn't qualify for this election.  You have to pick somebody dead from history.  Save Chris for the next election of currently alive people.  Find somebody from history to nominate for this one.  How about Buddha?

RE
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: knarf on February 11, 2018, 05:34:35 AM
Great!  We now have 6 Nominees for the POTW from History Election.  Also got a female into the running as well.

1-  Mother Theresa
2-  King Stan
3-  RE's Mystery nominee
4-  Cyrus
5-  Constantine
6-  Hypatia

Nominations will remain open through tomorrow.

Chris Hedges

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RE

CH is still alive. He doesn't qualify for this election.  You have to pick somebody dead from history.  Save Chris for the next election of currently alive people.  Find somebody from history to nominate for this one.  How about Buddha?

RE

Got Ya. Ok then Padmasambhava

Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: RE on February 11, 2018, 05:43:48 AM
Great!  We now have 6 Nominees for the POTW from History Election.  Also got a female into the running as well.

1-  Mother Theresa
2-  King Stan
3-  RE's Mystery nominee
4-  Cyrus
5-  Constantine
6-  Hypatia
7-  Padmasambhava

Nominations will remain open through tomorrow.

Chris Hedges

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/93/Chris_hedges_blur.jpg)

RE

CH is still alive. He doesn't qualify for this election.  You have to pick somebody dead from history.  Save Chris for the next election of currently alive people.  Find somebody from history to nominate for this one.  How about Buddha?

RE

Got Ya. Ok then Padmasambhava

Now added to the list of Nominees!  :icon_sunny:

You should past a bio so Diners can evaluate his qualifications for office.

RE
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: knarf on February 11, 2018, 06:48:57 AM
Great!  We now have 6 Nominees for the POTW from History Election.  Also got a female into the running as well.

1-  Mother Theresa
2-  King Stan
3-  RE's Mystery nominee
4-  Cyrus
5-  Constantine
6-  Hypatia
7-  Padmasambhava

Nominations will remain open through tomorrow.

Chris Hedges

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/93/Chris_hedges_blur.jpg)

RE

CH is still alive. He doesn't qualify for this election.  You have to pick somebody dead from history.  Save Chris for the next election of currently alive people.  Find somebody from history to nominate for this one.  How about Buddha?

RE

Got Ya. Ok then Padmasambhava

Now added to the list of Nominees!  :icon_sunny:

You should past a bio so Diners can evaluate his qualifications for office.

RE

googled his name got 886,000 hits...

Padmasambhava

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Statue of Padmasambhava 123 ft. (37.5 m) high in mist overlooking Rewalsar Lake, Himachal Pradesh, India

A BRIEF ACCOUNT OF LIFE



Guru Rinpoche is said to have been miraculously born in India in the middle of Lake Danakosha
on a lotus flower, symbolizing the original purity of his mind. Raised by King Indrabodhi, he
was one day dancing on the roof of the palace when his trident slipped out of his hand,
accidently killing the son of one of the ministers, which caused him to be expelled from the
palace. Going off on his own, he practiced and studied the dharma as a monk, he developed into
a master dharma scholar, and he did intensive retreats in charnel grounds and caves, developing
as a yogi. He studied and received empowerments from many tantric masters, including the
great mahasiddha Sri Simha.
On one occasion, he went to a nunnery where he taught the dharma to the nuns and turned all
500 of them into his students, but when the local king and his ministers learned a man was in the
nunnery, they presumed he was a fake teacher and sent in soldiers who arrested Guru Rinpoche.
The king sentenced him to be burned at the stake, but even though he was left to burn for 7 days,
when they went to check on him, they found him sitting on a lotus in the middle of a lake.
On another occasion he defeated 500 non-Buddhist teachers through debate and miracle at
Bodhgaya, the Buddha’s place of enlightenment.
While on retreat in a cave in Nepal, the country went into a 3 year drought causing disease and
famine. Guru Rinpoche, through spiritual means, was able to end the drought and pacify the
spread of disease and famine.
Invited to Tibet to teach the dharma, he entered the king’s court, with both himself and the king
wondering who would bow and submit to whom. Knowing that if the king submitted to him,
Buddhism would spread effectively in Tibet, he refused to bow and instead dazzled the court
with his brilliance and authentic presence, which then submitted itself to him. Thereafter he
oversaw the building of Samye, the first Buddhist monastery in Tibet, and was essential in
establishing the beginning of the monastic community in Tibet. With some other Buddhist
teachers from India, he gathered together and trained in translation some bright Tibetan pupils.
Under his oversight, they eventually translated into Tibetan all the Buddhist sutras and tantras
and the majority of the important treatises on them.
Traveling all around Tibet, he transmitted countless teachings and empowerments. Jamgon
Kongtrul the Great lists his most important students:
It is impossible to count exactly how many students in Tibet received empowerment from
Padmakara [Guru Rinpoche] in person, but the most renowned are the original twentyfive
disciples, the intermediate 25 disciples, and the later 17 and 21 disciples. There
were 80 of his students who attained rainbow body at Yerpa and also the 108 meditators
of Chuwori, the 30 tantrikas at Yangdzong, the 55 realized ones at Sheldrang. Of female
disciples there the 25 dakini students and seven yoginis. Many of these close disciples
had blood lines that have continued to the present day.
Guru Rinpoche was famous for subjugating gods, demons, and spirits, which would constitute
the subtle psychic energy of a country. He conquered these entities throughout Nepal and Tibet,
making them into protectors of the dharma, as a way of pacifying the country of its aggression
and making it a place where the dharma would flourish.
Having attained omniscient wisdom and
complete mastery of enlightened power and skillful means, he would overwhelm beings intent on
creating obstacles to the dharma. Trungpa Rinpoche in Crazy Wisdom describes one such
episode:
Tibet is supposedly ringed by snow-capped mountains, and there are twelve goddesses
associated with those mountains who are guardians of the country. When
Padmasambhava [Guru Rinpoche] came to Tibet, one of those goddesses refused to
surrender to him. She ran away from him…She ran up a mountain thinking she was
running away from Padmasambhava and found him already ahead of her, dancing on the
mountaintop. She ran away down a valley and found Padmasambhava already at the
bottom, sitting at the confluence of that valley and the neighboring one. No matter where
she ran, she couldn’t get away. Finally she decided to jump into the lake and hide there.
Padmasambhava turned the lake into boiling iron, and she emerged as a kind of skeleton
being. Finally, she had to surrender because Padmasambhava was everywhere….One of
the expressions of crazy wisdom is that you can’t get away of it. It’s everywhere…
According to Jamgon Kongtrul, Guru Rinpoche spent 55 years in Tibet. It’s said he went all
around Tibet, leaving no more than an arm span without his footprint on it. One of the most
important things that he did was hide scriptures and religious objects (called terma or “treasure”)
to be discovered in the future for the sake of future generations. Jamgon Kongtrul says,
The reasons for hiding these termas were to prevent the teachings of Secret Mantra [from
being] destroyed, to avoid that the Vajrayana is corrupted or modified by intellectuals, to
preserve the blessings and to benefit future disciples. For each of these hidden treasures
Padmakara [Guru Rinpoche] predicted the time of the disclosure, the person who would
reveal them, and the destined recipients who would hold the teachings.
One of the most famous terma texts is The Tibetan Book of the Dead, about how to use the death
process to liberate oneself, which Guru Rinpoche wrote.
Guru Rinpoche made many prophecies about the future of Tibet, and one reason he left behind
the terma teachings was to provide a way to preserve the practice of the dharma in the face of its
repression at various points in history. He predicted the coming of King Langdarma in Tibet
within a couple of generations, who almost completely destroyed Buddhism during his reign. He
also accurately predicted the invasion of Tibet by China almost twelve centuries before it
happened. Chogyam Trungpa says,
The prophecies tell us that in the end Tibet would be conquered by China, that the
Chinese would enter the country in the Year of the Horse, that they would rush in in the
manner of a horse. The Chinese Communists did invade in the Year of the Horse, and
they built roads from China to Tibet and all over Tibet introduced motor vehicles.
He also predicted, it is said, the coming of the United States of America and many of our
technological developments like airplanes.
In many parts of Tibet, he left his hand and footprints in solid rock, as inspiration to people in the
future.
Guru Rinpoche was an incomparable master of the dharma, so accomplished and crucial to the
establishment of Buddhism in Tibet, he’s called by the Tibetans “the second Buddha.” His
enlightened activities go well beyond this short summary of them. The true significance of Guru
Rinpoche is his complete union with the state of Buddhahood and it’s unimaginable potential and
compassionate activities for the sake of sentient beings. Jamgon Kongtrul cites Yeshe Tsogyal,
one of Guru Rinpoche’s most important disciples:
Dakini Yeshe Tsogyal had a vision in which she saw a manifestation of Guru Rinpoche
called Immense Vajra Ocean in the direction to the east. Each of the pores in his body
held one billion realms and in each realm there were one billion world systems. In each
of these world systems there were one billion Guru Rinpoches who each created one
billion emanations. Each of these emanations carried out the activity of taming one
billion disciples. She then saw the same display in each of the other directions and in the
center.
By supplicating Guru Rinpoche’s blessing, we are supplicating for a connection to this same
unimaginable potentiality in ourselves, a power which is based on the naked reality of our lives
as they are right now. Trungpa Rinpoche observes that “the principle of Padmasambhava [Guru
Rinpoche] consists in freedom from any speculative ideas or theories or activity of watching
oneself. It is the living experience of emotions and experiences without a watcher. Because we
are Buddha already, we are Padmasambhava already.” Guru Rinpoche’s life shows us what is
possible, not in some spiritual fantasy realm, but on the basis of who and what we are right now,
if only we’re willing to open up to it.
Biographies of Guru Rinpoche usually end with his farewell to his disciples at Gungtang Pass,
when he leaves Tibet, his work there finished. Yeshe Tsogyal, who was present for this event,
describes it in her biography of Guru Rinpoche:
“As I now take leave in a miraculous way,
You cannot follow me with your material bodies.
Exert yourself constantly in making supplications,
And you will always be in my presence.”
Having sung this, Padmasambhava mounted a beam of sunlight and in the flicker of a
moment flew away into the sky. From the southwestern direction, he turned his face to
look back and sent forth a light ray of immeasurable loving kindness that established the
disciples in the state of nonreturn [to samsara]. Accompanied by a cloudlike assembly of
outer and inner dakinis making musical offerings, he then went to the southwestern
continent of Chamara.
This account of some of the buddha activity of Guru Rinpoche was composed by Gary Allen
Kunga Tsultrim in September-October of 2006, in order to spread the light of his teachings into
new places. May it be auspicious!

http://padmasambhavagururinpoche.com/%ef%bb%bfa-brief-account-life/ (http://padmasambhavagururinpoche.com/%ef%bb%bfa-brief-account-life/)


Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: RE on February 11, 2018, 07:00:17 AM
googled his name got 886,000 hits...

Good Candidate!  :icon_sunny:

I will be publishing my Mystery Nomination shortly.  This was a tough decision with all of recorded history to consider!

RE
Title: President of the World (POTW) from History: RE's Nominee
Post by: RE on February 11, 2018, 07:16:49 AM
This was a very difficult selection choice.  There were many I considered besides the LOSERS I mentioned earlier.

I wanted somebody smart both in science and in philosophy, also compassionate in his writings.  I considered folks like Renee Descartes and Richard Feynman and Bertrand Russell.  In the end though, THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE!

http://www.youtube.com/v/_J3VeogFUOs

...and the winner is...the envelope pleeez...drumroll...

Buckminster Fuller!

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Buckminster Fuller
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For the EP by Nerina Pallot, see Buckminster Fuller (EP).
Buckminster Fuller
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Born    Richard Buckminster Fuller
July 12, 1895
Milton, Massachusetts,
United States
Died    July 1, 1983 (aged 87)
Los Angeles, United States
Education    Harvard University (expelled)
Occupation    Designer, author, inventor
Spouse(s)    Anne Hewlett (m. 1917)
Children    Allegra Fuller Snyder

Richard Buckminster "Bucky" Fuller (/ˈfʊlər/; July 12, 1895 – July 1, 1983)[1] was an American architect, systems theorist, author, designer, and inventor.

Fuller published more than 30 books, coining or popularizing terms such as "Spaceship Earth", ephemeralization, and synergetic. He also developed numerous inventions, mainly architectural designs, and popularized the widely known geodesic dome. Carbon molecules known as fullerenes were later named by scientists for their structural and mathematical resemblance to geodesic spheres.

Fuller was the second World President of Mensa from 1974 to 1983.[2]
Guinea Pig B:

I AM NOW CLOSE TO 88 and I am confident that the only thing important about me is that I am an average healthy human. I am also a living case history of a thoroughly documented, half-century, search-and-research project designed to discover what, if anything, an unknown, moneyless individual, with a dependent wife and newborn child, might be able to do effectively on behalf of all humanity that could not be accomplished by great nations, great religions or private enterprise, no matter how rich or powerfully armed.
— Bucky Fuller, 1983[3]

Contents

    1 Biography
        1.1 Education
        1.2 Wartime experience
        1.3 Depression and epiphany
        1.4 Recovery
        1.5 Geodesic domes
        1.6 Dymaxion Chronofile
        1.7 World stage
        1.8 Honors
        1.9 Last filmed appearance
        1.10 Death
    2 Philosophy and worldview
    3 Major design projects
        3.1 The geodesic dome
        3.2 Transportation
        3.3 Housing
        3.4 Dymaxion map and World Game
    4 Appearance and style
    5 Quirks
    6 Language and neologisms
    7 Concepts and buildings
    8 Influence and legacy
    9 Patents
    10 Bibliography
    11 See also
    12 References
    13 Further reading
    14 External links

Biography
As a young man

Fuller was born on July 12, 1895, in Milton, Massachusetts, the son of Richard Buckminster Fuller and Caroline Wolcott Andrews, and grand-nephew of the American Transcendentalist Margaret Fuller. He spent much of his youth on Bear Island, in Penobscot Bay off the coast of Maine. He attended Froebelian Kindergarten.[citation needed] He had trouble with geometry, being unable to understand the abstraction that a chalk dot on the blackboard represented a mathematical point, or that an imperfectly drawn line with an arrow on the end was meant to stretch off to infinity. He often made items from materials he found in the woods, and sometimes made his own tools. He experimented with designing a new apparatus for human propulsion of small boats. By age 12, he had invented a 'push pull' system for propelling a rowboat by use of an inverted umbrella connected to the transom with a simple oar lock which allowed the user to face forward to point the boat toward its destination. Later in life, Fuller took exception to the term "invention".

Years later, he decided that this sort of experience had provided him with not only an interest in design, but also a habit of being familiar with and knowledgeable about the materials that his later projects would require. Fuller earned a machinist's certification, and knew how to use the press brake, stretch press, and other tools and equipment used in the sheet metal trade.[4]
Education

Fuller attended Milton Academy in Massachusetts, and after that began studying at Harvard College, where he was affiliated with Adams House. He was expelled from Harvard twice: first for spending all his money partying with a vaudeville troupe, and then, after having been readmitted, for his "irresponsibility and lack of interest." By his own appraisal, he was a non-conforming misfit in the fraternity environment.[4]
Wartime experience

Between his sessions at Harvard, Fuller worked in Canada as a mechanic in a textile mill, and later as a laborer in the meat-packing industry. He also served in the U.S. Navy in World War I, as a shipboard radio operator, as an editor of a publication, and as a crash rescue boat commander. After discharge, he worked again in the meat packing industry, acquiring management experience. In 1917, he married Anne Hewlett. During the early 1920s, he and his father-in-law developed the Stockade Building System for producing light-weight, weatherproof, and fireproof housing—although the company would ultimately fail[4] in 1927.[5]
Depression and epiphany

Buckminster Fuller recalled 1927 as a pivotal year of his life. His daughter Alexandra had died in 1922 of complications from polio and spinal meningitis[6] just before her fourth birthday.[7] Fuller dwelled on her death, suspecting that it was connected with the Fullers' damp and drafty living conditions.[7] This provided motivation for Fuller's involvement in Stockade Building Systems, a business which aimed to provide affordable, efficient housing.[7]

In 1927, at age 32, Fuller lost his job as president of Stockade. The Fuller family had no savings, and the birth of their daughter Allegra in 1927 added to the financial challenges. Fuller drank heavily and reflected upon the solution to his family's struggles on long walks around Chicago. During the autumn of 1927, Fuller contemplated suicide by drowning in Lake Michigan, so that his family could benefit from a life insurance payment.[8]

Fuller said that he had experienced a profound incident which would provide direction and purpose for his life. He felt as though he was suspended several feet above the ground enclosed in a white sphere of light. A voice spoke directly to Fuller, and declared:

    From now on you need never await temporal attestation to your thought. You think the truth. You do not have the right to eliminate yourself. You do not belong to you. You belong to Universe. Your significance will remain forever obscure to you, but you may assume that you are fulfilling your role if you apply yourself to converting your experiences to the highest advantage of others.[9]

Fuller stated that this experience led to a profound re-examination of his life. He ultimately chose to embark on "an experiment, to find what a single individual [could] contribute to changing the world and benefiting all humanity."[10]

Speaking to audiences later in life, Fuller would regularly recount the story of his Lake Michigan experience, and its transformative impact on his life.[7] Historians have been unable to identify direct evidence for this experience within the 1927 papers of Fuller's Chronofile archives, housed at Stanford University. Stanford historian Barry Katz suggests that the suicide story may be a myth which Fuller constructed later in life, to summarize this formative period of his career.[11]
Recovery

In 1927 Fuller resolved to think independently which included a commitment to "the search for the principles governing the universe and help advance the evolution of humanity in accordance with them... finding ways of doing more with less to the end that all people everywhere can have more and more."[citation needed] By 1928, Fuller was living in Greenwich Village and spending much of his time at the popular café Romany Marie's,[12] where he had spent an evening in conversation with Marie and Eugene O'Neill several years earlier.[13] Fuller accepted a job decorating the interior of the café in exchange for meals,[12] giving informal lectures several times a week,[13][14] and models of the Dymaxion house were exhibited at the café. Isamu Noguchi arrived during 1929—Constantin Brâncuși, an old friend of Marie's,[15] had directed him there[12]—and Noguchi and Fuller were soon collaborating on several projects,[14][16] including the modeling of the Dymaxion car based on recent work by Aurel Persu.[17] It was the beginning of their lifelong friendship.
Geodesic domes

Fuller taught at Black Mountain College in North Carolina during the summers of 1948 and 1949,[18] serving as its Summer Institute director in 1949. There, with the support of a group of professors and students, he began reinventing a project that would make him famous: the geodesic dome. Although the geodesic dome had been created some 30 years earlier by Dr. Walther Bauersfeld, Fuller was awarded United States patents, even though he neglected to cite Bauersfeld's prior art in his patent applications. He is credited for popularizing this type of structure.

One of his early models was first constructed in 1945 at Bennington College in Vermont, where he lectured often. In 1949, he erected his first geodesic dome building that could sustain its own weight with no practical limits. It was 4.3 meters (14 feet) in diameter and constructed of aluminium aircraft tubing and a vinyl-plastic skin, in the form of an icosahedron. To prove his design, Fuller suspended from the structure's framework several students who had helped him build it. The U.S. government recognized the importance of his work, and employed his firm Geodesics, Inc. in Raleigh, North Carolina to make small domes for the Marines. Within a few years, there were thousands of such domes around the world.

Fuller's first "continuous tension – discontinuous compression" geodesic dome (full sphere in this case) was constructed at the University of Oregon Architecture School in 1959 with the help of students.[19] These continuous tension – discontinuous compression structures featured single force compression members (no flexure or bending moments) that did not touch each other and were 'suspended' by the tensional members.
Dymaxion Chronofile

For half of a century, Fuller developed many ideas, designs and inventions, particularly regarding practical, inexpensive shelter and transportation. He documented his life, philosophy and ideas scrupulously by a daily diary (later called the Dymaxion Chronofile), and by twenty-eight publications. Fuller financed some of his experiments with inherited funds, sometimes augmented by funds invested by his collaborators, one example being the Dymaxion car project.
World stage
The Montreal Biosphère by Buckminster Fuller, 1967
Fuller's home in Carbondale

International recognition began with the success of huge geodesic domes during the 1950s. Fuller lectured at NC State University in Raleigh in 1949, where he met James Fitzgibbon, who would become a close friend and colleague. Fitzgibbon was director of Geodesics, Inc. and Synergetics, Inc. the first licensees to design geodesic domes. Thomas C. Howard was lead designer, architect and engineer for both companies.

Fuller began working with architect Shoji Sadao[20] in 1954, and in 1964 they co-founded the architectural firm Fuller & Sadao Inc., whose first project was to design the large geodesic dome for the U.S. Pavilion at Expo 67 in Montreal.[20] This building is now the "Montreal Biosphère".

From 1959 to 1970, Fuller taught at Southern Illinois University Carbondale (SIU). Beginning as an assistant professor, he gained full professorship in 1968, in the School of Art and Design. Working as a designer, scientist, developer, and writer, he lectured for many years around the world. He collaborated at SIU with the designer John McHale. In 1965, Fuller inaugurated the World Design Science Decade (1965 to 1975) at the meeting of the International Union of Architects in Paris, which was, in his own words, devoted to "applying the principles of science to solving the problems of humanity." Later in his SIU tenure, Fuller was also a visiting professor at SIU Edwardsville, where he designed the dome for the campus Religious Center.[21]

Fuller believed human societies would soon rely mainly on renewable sources of energy, such as solar- and wind-derived electricity. He hoped for an age of "omni-successful education and sustenance of all humanity." Fuller referred to himself as "the property of universe" and during one radio interview he gave later in life, declared himself and his work "the property of all humanity". For his lifetime of work, the American Humanist Association named him the 1969 Humanist of the Year.

In 1976, Fuller was a key participant at UN Habitat I, the first UN forum on human settlements.
Honors

Fuller was awarded 28 United States patents[22] and many honorary doctorates. In 1960, he was awarded the Frank P. Brown Medal from The Franklin Institute. Fuller was elected as an honorary member of Phi Beta Kappa in 1967, on the occasion of the 50th year reunion of his Harvard class of 1917 (from which he was expelled in his first year).[23][24] He was elected a Fellow of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences in 1968.[25] In 1968 he was elected into the National Academy of Design as an Associate member, and became a full Academician in 1970. In 1970 he received the Gold Medal award from the American Institute of Architects. In 1976, he received the St. Louis Literary Award from the Saint Louis University Library Associates.[26][27] He also received numerous other awards, including the Presidential Medal of Freedom presented to him on February 23, 1983, by President Ronald Reagan.
Last filmed appearance

Fuller's last filmed interview took place on April 3, 1983, in which he presented his analysis of Simon Rodia's Watts Towers as a unique embodiment of the structural principles found in nature. Portions of this interview appear in I Build the Tower, a documentary film on Rodia's architectural masterpiece.
Death
Gravestone (see trim tab)

Fuller died on July 1, 1983, 11 days before his 88th birthday. During the period leading up to his death, his wife had been lying comatose in a Los Angeles hospital, dying of cancer. It was while visiting her there that he exclaimed, at a certain point: "She is squeezing my hand!" He then stood up, suffered a heart attack, and died an hour later, at age 87. His wife of 66 years died 36 hours later. They are buried in Mount Auburn Cemetery in Cambridge, Massachusetts.
Philosophy and worldview

Buckminster Fuller was a Unitarian like his grandfather, Unitarian minister Arthur Buckminster Fuller,[28][29] He was an early environmental activist. He was aware of the Earth's finite resources, and promoted a principle that he termed "ephemeralization", which according to futurist and Fuller disciple Stewart Brand, he coined to mean "doing more with less".[30] Resources and waste from cruder products could be recycled into making more valuable products, increasing the efficiency of the entire process. Fuller also introduced synergetics, a term which he used broadly as a metaphor for communicating experiences using geometric concepts, and more specifically the empirical study of systems in transformation, with an emphasis on total system behavior unpredicted by the behavior of any isolated components. Fuller coined this term long before the term synergy became popular[citation needed].

Fuller was a pioneer in thinking globally, and he explored principles of energy and material efficiency in the fields of architecture, engineering and design.[31][32] He cited François de Chardenèdes' opinion that petroleum, from the standpoint of its replacement cost out of our current energy "budget" (essentially, the net incoming solar flux), had cost nature "over a million dollars" per U.S. gallon (US$300,000 per litre) to produce. From this point of view, its use as a transportation fuel by people commuting to work represents a huge net loss compared to their earnings.[33] An encapsulation quotation of his views might be, "There is no energy crisis, only a crisis of ignorance."[34][35][36]

Fuller was concerned about sustainability and human survival under the existing socio-economic system, yet remained optimistic about humanity's future. Defining wealth in terms of knowledge, as the "technological ability to protect, nurture, support, and accommodate all growth needs of life," his analysis of the condition of "Spaceship Earth" caused him to conclude that at a certain time during the 1970s, humanity had attained an unprecedented state. He was convinced that the accumulation of relevant knowledge, combined with the quantities of major recyclable resources that had already been extracted from the earth, had attained a critical level, such that competition for necessities had become unnecessary. Cooperation had become the optimum survival strategy. He declared: "selfishness is unnecessary and hence-forth unrationalizable.... War is obsolete."[37] He criticized previous utopian schemes as too exclusive, and thought this was a major source of their failure. To work, he thought that a utopia needed to include everyone.[38]

Fuller was influenced by Alfred Korzybski's idea of general semantics. In the 1950s, Fuller attended seminars and workshops organized by the Institute of General Semantics, and he delivered the annual Alfred Korzybski Memorial Lecture in 1955.[39] Korzybski is mentioned in the Introduction of his book Synergetics. The two shared a remarkable amount of similarity in their formulations of general semantics.[40]

In his 1970 book I Seem To Be a Verb, he wrote: "I live on Earth at present, and I don't know what I am. I know that I am not a category. I am not a thing—a noun. I seem to be a verb, an evolutionary process—an integral function of the universe."

Fuller wrote that the natural analytic geometry of the universe was based on arrays of tetrahedra. He developed this in several ways, from the close-packing of spheres and the number of compressive or tensile members required to stabilize an object in space. One confirming result was that the strongest possible homogeneous truss is cyclically tetrahedral.[41]

He had become a guru of the design, architecture, and 'alternative' communities, such as Drop City, the community of experimental artists to whom he awarded the 1966 "Dymaxion Award" for "poetically economic" domed living structures.
Major design projects
A geodesic sphere
The geodesic dome

Fuller was most famous for his lattice shell structures – geodesic domes, which have been used as parts of military radar stations, civic buildings, environmental protest camps and exhibition attractions. An examination of the geodesic design by Walther Bauersfeld for the Zeiss-Planetarium, built some 28 years prior to Fuller's work, reveals that Fuller's Geodesic Dome patent (U.S. 2,682,235; awarded in 1954), is the same design as Bauersfeld's.[42]

Their construction is based on extending some basic principles to build simple "tensegrity" structures (tetrahedron, octahedron, and the closest packing of spheres), making them lightweight and stable. The geodesic dome was a result of Fuller's exploration of nature's constructing principles to find design solutions. The Fuller Dome is referenced in the Hugo Award-winning novel Stand on Zanzibar by John Brunner, in which a geodesic dome is said to cover the entire island of Manhattan, and it floats on air due to the hot-air balloon effect of the large air-mass under the dome (and perhaps its construction of lightweight materials).[43]
Transportation
Main article: Dymaxion car
The Omni-Media-Transport:
With such a vehicle at our disposal, [Fuller] felt that human travel, like that of birds, would no longer be confined to airports, roads, and other bureaucratic boundaries, and that autonomous free-thinking human beings could live and prosper wherever they chose.[44]


— Lloyd S. Sieden, Bucky Fuller's Universe, 2000

To his young daughter Allegra:
Fuller described the Dymaxion as a "zoom-mobile, explaining that it could hop off the road at will, fly about, then, as deftly as a bird, settle back into a place in traffic."[45]
The Dymaxion car, c.1933, artist Diego Rivera shown entering the car, carrying coat

The Dymaxion car was a vehicle designed by Fuller, featured prominently at Chicago's 1933-1934 Century of Progress World's Fair.[46] During the Great Depression, Fuller formed the Dymaxion Corporation and built three prototypes with noted naval architect Starling Burgess and a team of 27 workmen — using donated money as well as a family inheritance.[47][48]

Fuller associated the word Dymaxion with much of his work, a portmanteau of the words dynamic, maximum, and tension[49] to sum up the goal of his study, "maximum gain of advantage from minimal energy input."[50]

The Dymaxion was not an automobile per se, but rather the 'ground-taxying mode' of a vehicle that might one day be designed to fly, land and drive — an "Omni-Medium Transport" for air, land and water.[51] Fuller focused on the landing and taxiing qualities, and noted severe limitations in its handling. The team made constant improvements and refinements to the platform,[44] and Fuller noted the Dymaxion "was an invention that could not be made available to the general public without considerable improvements."[44]

The bodywork was aerodynamically designed for increased fuel efficiency and speed as well as light weight, and its platform featured a lightweight cromoly-steel hinged chassis, rear-mounted V8 engine, front-drive and three-wheels. The vehicle was steered via the third wheel at the rear, capable of 90° steering lock. Thus able to steer in a tight circle, the Dymaxion often caused a sensation, bringing nearby traffic to a halt.[52][53]

Shortly after launch, a prototype crashed after being hit by another car, killing the Dymaxion's driver.[54] The other car was driven by a local politician and was illegally removed from the accident scene, leaving reporters who arrived subsequently to blame the Dymaxion's unconventional design[55] — though investigations exonerated the prototype.[54] Fuller would himself later crash another prototype with his young daughter aboard.

Despite courting the interest of important figures from the auto industry, Fuller used his family inheritance to finish the second and third prototypes[56] — eventually selling all three, dissolving Dymaxion Corporation and maintaining the Dymaxion was never intended as a commercial venture.[57] One of the three original prototypes survives.
Housing
   
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A Dymaxion house at The Henry Ford

Fuller's energy-efficient and inexpensive Dymaxion house garnered much interest, but only two prototypes were ever produced. Here the term "Dymaxion" is used in effect to signify a "radically strong and light tensegrity structure". One of Fuller's Dymaxion Houses is on display as a permanent exhibit at the Henry Ford Museum in Dearborn, Michigan. Designed and developed during the mid-1940s, this prototype is a round structure (not a dome), shaped something like the flattened "bell" of certain jellyfish. It has several innovative features, including revolving dresser drawers, and a fine-mist shower that reduces water consumption. According to Fuller biographer Steve Crooks, the house was designed to be delivered in two cylindrical packages, with interior color panels available at local dealers. A circular structure at the top of the house was designed to rotate around a central mast to use natural winds for cooling and air circulation.

Conceived nearly two decades earlier, and developed in Wichita, Kansas, the house was designed to be lightweight, adapted to windy climates, cheap to produce and easy to assemble. Because of its light weight and portability, the Dymaxion House was intended to be the ideal housing for individuals and families who wanted the option of easy mobility.[58] The design included a "Go-Ahead-With-Life Room" stocked with maps, charts, and helpful tools for travel "through time and space."[59] It was to be produced using factories, workers, and technologies that had produced World War II aircraft. It looked ultramodern at the time, built of metal, and sheathed in polished aluminum. The basic model enclosed 90 m2 (970 sq ft) of floor area. Due to publicity, there were many orders during the early Post-War years, but the company that Fuller and others had formed to produce the houses failed due to management problems.

In 1967, Fuller developed a concept for an offshore floating city named Triton City and published a report on the design the following year.[60] Models of the city aroused the interest of President Lyndon B. Johnson who, after leaving office, had them placed in the Lyndon Baines Johnson Library and Museum.[61]

In 1969, Fuller began the Otisco Project, named after its location in Otisco, New York. The project developed and demonstrated concrete spray with mesh-covered wireforms for producing large-scale, load-bearing spanning structures built on-site, without the use of pouring molds, other adjacent surfaces or hoisting. The initial method used a circular concrete footing in which anchor posts were set. Tubes cut to length and with ends flattened were then bolted together to form a duodeca-rhombicahedron (22-sided hemisphere) geodesic structure with spans ranging to 60 feet (18 m). The form was then draped with layers of ¼-inch wire mesh attached by twist ties. Concrete was sprayed onto the structure, building up a solid layer which, when cured, would support additional concrete to be added by a variety of traditional means. Fuller referred to these buildings as monolithic ferroconcrete geodesic domes. However, the tubular frame form proved problematic for setting windows and doors. It was replaced by an iron rebar set vertically in the concrete footing and then bent inward and welded in place to create the dome's wireform structure and performed satisfactorily. Domes up to three stories tall built with this method proved to be remarkably strong. Other shapes such as cones, pyramids and arches proved equally adaptable.

The project was enabled by a grant underwritten by Syracuse University and sponsored by US Steel (rebar), the Johnson Wire Corp, (mesh) and Portland Cement Company (concrete). The ability to build large complex load bearing concrete spanning structures in free space would open many possibilities in architecture, and is considered as one of Fuller's greatest contributions.
Dymaxion map and World Game

Fuller, along with co-cartographer Shoji Sadao, also designed an alternative projection map, called the Dymaxion map. This was designed to show Earth's continents with minimum distortion when projected or printed on a flat surface.

In the 1960s, Fuller developed the World Game, a collaborative simulation game played on a 70-by-35-foot Dymaxion map,[62] in which players attempt to solve world problems.[63][64] The object of the simulation game is, in Fuller's words, to “make the world work, for 100% of humanity, in the shortest possible time, through spontaneous cooperation, without ecological offense or the disadvantage of anyone.”[65]
Appearance and style

Buckminster Fuller wore thick-lensed spectacles to correct his extreme hyperopia, a condition that went undiagnosed for the first five years of his life.[66] Fuller's hearing was damaged during his Naval service in World War I and deteriorated during the 1960s.[67] After experimenting with bullhorns as hearing aids during the mid-1960s,[67] Fuller adopted electronic hearing aids from the 1970s onward[7]:397

In public appearances, Fuller always wore dark-colored suits, appearing like "an alert little clergyman".[68]:18 Previously, he had experimented with unconventional clothing immediately after his 1927 epiphany, but found that breaking social fashion customs made others devalue or dismiss his ideas.[69]:6:15 Fuller learned the importance of physical appearance as part of one's credibility, and decided to become "the invisible man" by dressing in clothes that would not draw attention to himself.[69]:6:15 With self-deprecating humor, Fuller described this black-suited appearance as resembling a "second-rate bank clerk".[69]:6:15
Quirks

Following his global prominence from the 1960s onward, Fuller became a frequent flier, often crossing time zones to lecture. In the 1960s and 1970s, he wore three watches simultaneously; one for the time zone of his office in Carbondale, one for the time zone of the location he would next visit, and one for the time zone he was currently in.[68]:290[70][71] In the 1970s, Fuller was only in 'homely' locations (his personal home in Carbondale, Illinois; his holiday retreat in Bear Island, Maine; his daughter's home in Pacific Palisades, California) roughly 65 nights per year—the other 300 nights were spent in hotel beds in the locations he visited on his lecturing and consulting circuits.[68]:290

In the 1920s, Fuller experimented with polyphasic sleep, which he called Dymaxion sleep. Inspired by the sleep habits of animals such as dogs and cats,[72]:133 Fuller worked until he was tired, and then slept short naps. This generally resulted in Fuller sleeping 30-minute naps every 6 hours.[68]:160 This allowed him "twenty-two thinking hours a day", which aided his work productivity.[68]:160 Fuller reportedly kept this Dymaxion sleep habit for two years, before quitting the routine because it conflicted with his business associates' sleep habits.[73] Despite no longer personally partaking in the habit, in 1943 Fuller suggested Dymaxion sleep as a strategy that the United States could adopt to win World War II.[73]

Despite only practicing true polyphasic sleep for a period during the 1920s, Fuller was known for his stamina throughout his life. He was described as "tireless"[74]:53 by Barry Farrell in Life magazine, who noted that Fuller stayed up all night replying to mail during Farrell's 1970 trip to Bear Island.[74]:55 In his seventies, Fuller generally slept for 5–8 hours per night.[68]:160

Fuller documented his life copiously from 1915 to 1983, approximately 270 feet (82 m) of papers in a collection called the Dymaxion Chronofile. He also kept copies of all incoming and outgoing correspondence. The enormous Fuller Collection is currently housed at Stanford University.

    If somebody kept a very accurate record of a human being, going through the era from the Gay 90s, from a very different kind of world through the turn of the century—as far into the twentieth century as you might live. I decided to make myself a good case history of such a human being and it meant that I could not be judge of what was valid to put in or not. I must put everything in, so I started a very rigorous record.[75][76]

In his youth, Fuller experimented with several ways of presenting himself: R. B. Fuller, Buckminster Fuller, but as an adult finally settled on R. Buckminster Fuller, and signed his letters as such. However, he preferred to be addressed as simply "Bucky".
Language and neologisms

Buckminster Fuller spoke and wrote in a unique style and said it was important to describe the world as accurately as possible.[77] Fuller often created long run-on sentences and used unusual compound words (omniwell-informed, intertransformative, omni-interaccommodative, omniself-regenerative) as well as terms he himself invented.[78]

Fuller used the word Universe without the definite or indefinite articles (the or a) and always capitalized the word. Fuller wrote that "by Universe I mean: the aggregate of all humanity's consciously apprehended and communicated (to self or others) Experiences."[79]

The words "down" and "up", according to Fuller, are awkward in that they refer to a planar concept of direction inconsistent with human experience. The words "in" and "out" should be used instead, he argued, because they better describe an object's relation to a gravitational center, the Earth. "I suggest to audiences that they say, 'I'm going "outstairs" and "instairs."' At first that sounds strange to them; They all laugh about it. But if they try saying in and out for a few days in fun, they find themselves beginning to realize that they are indeed going inward and outward in respect to the center of Earth, which is our Spaceship Earth. And for the first time they begin to feel real 'reality.'"[80]

"World-around" is a term coined by Fuller to replace "worldwide". The general belief in a flat Earth died out in classical antiquity, so using "wide" is an anachronism when referring to the surface of the Earth—a spheroidal surface has area and encloses a volume but has no width. Fuller held that unthinking use of obsolete scientific ideas detracts from and misleads intuition. Other neologisms collectively invented by the Fuller family, according to Allegra Fuller Snyder, are the terms "sunsight" and "sunclipse", replacing "sunrise" and "sunset" to overturn the geocentric bias of most pre-copernican celestial mechanics.

Fuller also invented the word "livingry," as opposed to weaponry (or "killingry"), to mean that which is in support of all human, plant, and Earth life. "The architectural profession—civil, naval, aeronautical, and astronautical—has always been the place where the most competent thinking is conducted regarding livingry, as opposed to weaponry."[81]

As well as contributing significantly to the development of tensegrity technology, Fuller invented the term "tensegrity" from tensional integrity. "Tensegrity describes a structural-relationship principle in which structural shape is guaranteed by the finitely closed, comprehensively continuous, tensional behaviors of the system and not by the discontinuous and exclusively local compressional member behaviors. Tensegrity provides the ability to yield increasingly without ultimately breaking or coming asunder."[82]

"Dymaxion" is a portmanteau of "dynamic maximum tension". It was invented about 1929 by two admen at Marshall Field's department store in Chicago to describe Fuller's concept house, which was shown as part of a house of the future store display. They created the term utilizing three words that Fuller used repeatedly to describe his design – dynamic, maximum, and tension.[83]

Fuller also helped to popularize the concept of Spaceship Earth: "The most important fact about Spaceship Earth: an instruction manual didn't come with it."[84]
Concepts and buildings

His concepts and buildings include:

    Dymaxion house (1928)
    Fuller Home - Carbondale, Illinois[85]
    Aerodynamic Dymaxion car (1933)
    Prefabricated compact bathroom cell (1937)
    Dymaxion deployment unit (1940)
    Dymaxion map of the world (1946)
    Buildings (1943)[clarification needed]
    Tensegrity structures (1949)

   

    Geodesic dome for Ford Motor Company (1953)
    Patent on geodesic domes (1954)
    The World Game (1961) and the World Game Institute (1972)
    Patent on octet truss (1961)
    Montreal Biosphère (1967), United States pavilion at Expo 67
    Fly's Eye Dome
    Dewan Tunku Geodesic Dome, KOMTAR, Penang, Malaysia (proposed 1974, completed 1985)[86][87]
    Comprehensive anticipatory design science[88][89]

Influence and legacy

Among the many people who were influenced by Buckminster Fuller are: Constance Abernathy,[90] Ruth Asawa,[91] J. Baldwin,[92][93] Michael Ben-Eli,[94] Pierre Cabrol,[95] John Cage, Joseph Clinton,[96] Peter Floyd,[94] Medard Gabel,[97] Michael Hays,[94] David Johnston,[98] Robert Kiyosaki,[99] Peter Jon Pearce,[94] Shoji Sadao,[94] Edwin Schlossberg,[94] Kenneth Snelson,[91][100][101] Robert Anton Wilson[102] and Stewart Brand.[103]

An allotrope of carbon, fullerene—and a particular molecule of that allotrope C60 (buckminsterfullerene or buckyball) has been named after him. The Buckminsterfullerene molecule, which consists of 60 carbon atoms, very closely resembles a spherical version of Fuller's geodesic dome. The 1996 Nobel prize in chemistry was given to Kroto, Curl, and Smalley for their discovery of the fullerene.[104]

He is quoted in the lyric of "The Tower Of Babble" in the musical Godspell: "Man is a complex of patterns and processes."[105]

The indie band Driftless Pony Club named their 2011 album, Buckminster,[106] after him. All the songs within the album are based upon his life and works.

On July 12, 2004, the United States Post Office released a new commemorative stamp honoring R. Buckminster Fuller on the 50th anniversary of his patent for the geodesic dome and by the occasion of his 109th birthday. The stamp's design replicated the January 10, 1964 cover of Time Magazine.

Fuller was the subject of two documentary films: The World of Buckminster Fuller (1971) and Buckminster Fuller: Thinking Out Loud (1996). Additionally, filmmaker Sam Green and the band Yo La Tengo collaborated on a 2012 "live documentary" about Fuller, The Love Song of R. Buckminster Fuller.[107]

In June 2008, the Whitney Museum of American Art presented "Buckminster Fuller: Starting with the Universe", the most comprehensive retrospective to date of his work and ideas.[108] The exhibition traveled to the Museum of Contemporary Art, Chicago in 2009. It presented a combination of models, sketches, and other artifacts, representing six decades of the artist's integrated approach to housing, transportation, communication, and cartography. It also featured the extensive connections with Chicago from his years spent living, teaching, and working in the city.[109]

Robert Kiyosaki's 2015 book Second Chance[110] is largely about Kiyosaki's interactions with Fuller, and Fuller's unusual final book Grunch of Giants.[111]

In 2012, The San Francisco Museum of Modern Art hosted "The Utopian Impulse" – a show about Buckminster Fuller's influence in the Bay Area. Featured were concepts, inventions and designs for creating "free energy" from natural forces, and for sequestering carbon from the atmosphere. The show ran January through July.[112]

In a different note, Fuller's quote "Those who play with the Devil's toys, will be brought by degree to wield his sword" was used and referenced as the first display you see in the strategy sci-fi video game XCOM: Enemy Within developed by Firaxis Games.
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: azozeo on February 11, 2018, 11:36:25 AM
googled his name got 886,000 hits...

Good Candidate!  :icon_sunny:

I will be publishing my Mystery Nomination shortly.  This was a tough decision with all of recorded history to consider!

RE


Master P lost the meatsuit & lite up like a June Bug upon exiting the matrix, like Jesus & few others.
Top shelf choice.
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: RE on February 11, 2018, 12:19:51 PM
Time is running out before the nominations close at midnite Alaska time for POTW from History.  If you have anyone else to add to the list of candidates from history, get it in today.

RE
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: Eddie on February 11, 2018, 12:36:21 PM
Hell, I'd vote for Bucky Fuller. You know he talks funny though, right? Er, talked....
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: RE on February 11, 2018, 12:44:44 PM
Hell, I'd vote for Bucky Fuller. You know he talks funny though, right? Er, talked....

He had a slight speech impediment.  Not too bad though, kinda charming if you ask me.

http://www.youtube.com/v/lDY1Mak2i_o

RE
Title: President of the World (POTW): Lobbying for Buckminster Fuller
Post by: RE on February 11, 2018, 01:21:16 PM
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8 Reasons to vote for Bucky!!:

1- He invented the Geodesic Dome (well, sort of anyhow)
2- He got expelled from Harvard
3- He came ROARING back from Alcoholism and Suicidal Depression
4- He was somewhat deaf and had a speech impediment as well as a congential eye defect and as a result would understand the needs of people without perfect genes
5- He was a pioneer in the field of Renewable Energy
6- He could fucking TALK like nobody's bizness without notes or any preparation.  No TWEETS from Bucky!  10,000 words was short for him.
7- He and his wife died within days of each other after 66 (!!) years of a loving marriage at the age of 87
8- He developed the "World Game"
        In the 1960s, Fuller developed the World Game, a collaborative simulation game played on a 70-by-35-foot Dymaxion map,[62] in which players attempt to              solve world problems.[63][64] The object of the simulation game is, in Fuller's words, to “make the world work, for 100% of humanity, in the shortest possible time, through spontaneous cooperation, without ecological offense or the disadvantage of anyone.”[65]

VOTE FOR BUCKY FOR POTW!

RE
Title: Re: President of the World (POTW): Lobbying for Buckminster Fuller
Post by: Surly1 on February 11, 2018, 02:17:09 PM
(https://www.brainyquote.com/photos_tr/en/r/rbuckminsterfuller/165610/rbuckminsterfuller1-2x.jpg)

8 Reasons to vote for Bucky!!:

1- He invented the Geodesic Dome (well, sort of anyhow)
2- He got expelled from Harvard
3- He came ROARING back from Alcoholism and Suicidal Depression
4- He was somewhat deaf and had a speech impediment as well as a congential eye defect and as a result would understand the needs of people without perfect genes
5- He was a pioneer in the field of Renewable Energy
6- He could fucking TALK like nobody's bizness without notes or any preparation.  No TWEETS from Bucky!  10,000 words was short for him.
7- He and his wife died within days of each other after 66 (!!) years of a loving marriage at the age of 87
8- He developed the "World Game"
        In the 1960s, Fuller developed the World Game, a collaborative simulation game played on a 70-by-35-foot Dymaxion map,[62] in which players attempt to              solve world problems.[63][64] The object of the simulation game is, in Fuller's words, to “make the world work, for 100% of humanity, in the shortest possible time, through spontaneous cooperation, without ecological offense or the disadvantage of anyone.”[65]

VOTE FOR BUCKY FOR POTW!

RE

Actualklkym I think Bucky is an inspired nominee. But this sort of online stumping is unseemly in the extreme.

Ask people to vote and live it the fuck alone.Or why don't you just stuff the ballot box and have done, Uncle Joe?
Title: Re: President of the World (POTW): Lobbying for Buckminster Fuller
Post by: azozeo on February 11, 2018, 03:18:18 PM
(https://www.brainyquote.com/photos_tr/en/r/rbuckminsterfuller/165610/rbuckminsterfuller1-2x.jpg)

8 Reasons to vote for Bucky!!:

1- He invented the Geodesic Dome (well, sort of anyhow)
2- He got expelled from Harvard
3- He came ROARING back from Alcoholism and Suicidal Depression
4- He was somewhat deaf and had a speech impediment as well as a congential eye defect and as a result would understand the needs of people without perfect genes
5- He was a pioneer in the field of Renewable Energy
6- He could fucking TALK like nobody's bizness without notes or any preparation.  No TWEETS from Bucky!  10,000 words was short for him.
7- He and his wife died within days of each other after 66 (!!) years of a loving marriage at the age of 87
8- He developed the "World Game"
        In the 1960s, Fuller developed the World Game, a collaborative simulation game played on a 70-by-35-foot Dymaxion map,[62] in which players attempt to              solve world problems.[63][64] The object of the simulation game is, in Fuller's words, to “make the world work, for 100% of humanity, in the shortest possible time, through spontaneous cooperation, without ecological offense or the disadvantage of anyone.”[65]

VOTE FOR BUCKY FOR POTW!

RE


Barack Obama got expelled from Harvard & Saudi Oil Dinero's parked his happy self back in the joint, next card in the poker deck please.
Title: Re: President of the World (POTW): Lobbying for Buckminster Fuller
Post by: RE on February 11, 2018, 03:29:54 PM

Actualklkym I think Bucky is an inspired nominee. But this sort of online stumping is unseemly in the extreme.

Ask people to vote and live it the fuck alone.Or why don't you just stuff the ballot box and have done, Uncle Joe?

I don't think there is anything "unseemly" about working for your candidate in getting out the vote.  Didn't the workers for Bernie go Door-to-Door and make phone calls?  Didn't they print up leaflets extolling Bernie's virtues as a candidate?  Didn't they send out emails and set up a website for him?

As far as stuffing the ballot box goes, I can't do that.  The software isn't set up that way.  Not even Admins can vote more than once.

RE
Title: Re: President of the World (POTW): Lobbying for Buckminster Fuller
Post by: RE on February 11, 2018, 03:34:16 PM
Barack Obama got expelled from Harvard & Saudi Oil Dinero's parked his happy self back in the joint, next card in the poker deck please.

Bill Gates quit Harvard, but that doesn't mean I would nominate him for POTW.  It is however one of his few redeeming qualities.  Same with BO.

RE
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: Eddie on February 11, 2018, 03:34:36 PM
After due consideration, I'd have to say that Bucky would make a better advisor than a president. He was way too optimistic about human nature, and never gave up hope.

How about Kurt Vonnegut Jr. ? He was a Doomer. Truly one of our tribe.

Evolution can go to hell as far as I am concerned. What a mistake we are. We have mortally wounded this sweet life-supporting planet - the only one in the whole Milky Way - with a century of transportation whoopee.

Kurt Vonnegut
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: RE on February 11, 2018, 03:45:26 PM
After due consideration, I'd have to say that Bucky would make a better advisor than a president. He was way too optimistic about human nature, and never gave up hope.

How about Kurt Vonnegut Jr. ? He was a Doomer. Truly one of our tribe.

Evolution can go to hell as far as I am concerned. What a mistake we are. We have mortally wounded this sweet life-supporting planet - the only one in the whole Milky Way - with a century of transportation whoopee.

Kurt Vonnegut


Do you want to change your nominee from King Stan to Kurt?  You can still change it until midnite.

RE
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: Eddie on February 11, 2018, 04:22:47 PM
Nah. But I like Kurt better than Bucky because he's a full doomer.
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: RE on February 11, 2018, 04:53:06 PM
Nah. But I like Kurt better than Bucky because he's a full doomer.

Well, I don't necessarily want so many Negative Waves as KV sent out in the POTW.  I want some HOPIUM!  I would make KV Advisor to BF.

RE
Title: 🗳️ Voting now OPEN for the Historical Leader for POTW
Post by: RE on February 12, 2018, 05:30:37 AM
The new Poll is up at the top of the page.  Don't sit out this election!

Polling stations on your laptops will remain open for a few days.

RE
Title: Re: 🗳️ Voting now OPEN for the Historical Leader for POTW
Post by: Surly1 on February 12, 2018, 08:44:23 AM
The new Poll is up at the top of the page.  Don't sit out this election!

Polling stations on your laptops will remain open for a few days.

RE

I wonder if each nominator ought to post a paragraph in support or justification of their nominee. Otherwise people may be voting without adequate information.
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: azozeo on February 12, 2018, 08:59:38 AM
Mother Theresa has a commanding lead over the pack  :icon_sunny:

She raised billions of Dinero's for the Vatican & her mission in India.
To bad most of the cash went to the legal coffers for keeping priests out of prison.
Seems that Holy Mother the Church has this addiction problem with altar & choir boys.

Well, it was the thought that counts.
That about covers it for my candidate.
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: g on February 12, 2018, 09:08:23 AM
I voted for Constantine The Great.

He was a both a Gold Bug who introduced the Soliduus which became the world's standard gold coin for over a thousand years.

He was also a great general and fair leader. Constantine was tolerant of Christians and Christianity and was a Pagan who became a Christian before his death.

He would step into this job with ease and a lifetime of previous experience.


                                  (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/db/Constantine%2C_York_Minster.jpg)
Title: Re: President Mother Teresa
Post by: Eddie on February 12, 2018, 09:16:08 AM
Some of her loudest critics are from Kolkata themselves. Unlike her, they were born and raised there. Despite being connected with the city, she barely spoke any Bengali. The cultural and intellectual life of the area was completely neglected in its work, those around her were assimilated into western Christianity. She spent very little time with the masses, instead preferring the company of India’s rich and influential. This much is acknowledged, even by her own spiritual minister. Mother Teresa is not only the face of what the Church hopes to be ‘modern’ Catholicism, but, in the words of historian Vijay Prashad “the quintessential image of the white woman in the colonies, working to save the dark bodies from their own temptations and failures”.

To this day, money continues to be an issue with the ‘Missionaries of Charity’ that Mother Teresa established in 1950. They refused to publish their accounts in India, where it is required by law. When asked to do the same in Germany, they responded that it was “none of their business”. A former sister put the annual figures of the organisation’s income at around $50 million in New York alone, but there is little evidence of any expenditures. Locally, services largely rely on donations and the appalling state of care in Mother Teresa’s time makes it clear that very little money makes it back to those they are helping, and new missions set up across the world are expected to become self-sufficient. Her charity received money from known-fraudsters, and when they were convicted in a criminal court, she tried to use her large personal influence to change the outcome of the trial. Sources suggest that the majority of money she received was sent straight to the Vatican bank; an institution few will believe in more dire need of assistance than India’s most vulnerable citizens.

However, it may explain why she was able to make so many friends in high places. Often shown photographed with Princess Diana, the Clintons and Pope John Paul II, very few touch on her close relationship with the Duvalier regime in Haiti. The Duvalier family lived in luxury whilst many in the country suffered in poverty, they tortured and murdered political rivals, and were involved in the underground trading of drugs and body parts. Their brutal regime was no secret at the time, but all Mother Teresa had to say was that they were full of love. In her home country of Albania, she laid flowers on the grave of former Communist dictator, Enva Hoxha. Despite her international fame, when Mother Teresa died in Kolkata few people — rich or poor — came to visit her body, left in her room for two days until moved by her fellow missionaries. Only around 100 non-missionaries or government officials attended her state led funeral; it would seem that her relationship with the city that made her so famous was even then more strained than the Church would like us to believe.



Not everybody loved her. That's for sure. A pro-life poster child for the Catholic Church. She'd fit right in the US congress, but she wouldn't make much of a President.

The two thing most of these candidates have in common is that (1) they aren't corrupt and (2) they're benevolent, and put the people first. Anybody with those qualities and average or better intelligence could do a fine job. No need to be obsessed with famous dead people, in my view.
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: Eddie on February 12, 2018, 09:26:26 AM
I voted for Constantine The Great.

He was a both a Gold Bug who introduced the Soliduus which became the world's standard gold coin for over a thousand years.

He was also a great general and fair leader. Constantine was tolerant of Christians and Christianity and was a Pagan who became a Christian before his death.

He would step into this job with ease and a lifetime of previous experience.


                                  (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/db/Constantine%2C_York_Minster.jpg)

Constantine was a notorious mama's boy who re-wrote the Bible to remove the parts about reincarnation. His mother was born poor and fucked her way right to the top. She must have been really good in bed (and highly intelligent, and totally ruthless), I'll give her that much.

Too many Catholics running in this election to suit me. The Church is still one of the world's biggest problems. If they were a solution, Earth would be the garden of Eden already.

Even my choice was Catholic. Maybe I should have changed my pick to Kurt Vonnegut.

Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: RE on February 12, 2018, 12:41:05 PM
Too many Catholics running in this election to suit me. The Church is still one of the world's biggest problems. If they were a solution, Earth would be the garden of Eden already.

Even my choice was Catholic. Maybe I should have changed my pick to Kurt Vonnegut.

Bucky was a Unitarian.  :icon_sunny:

Currently a 4-Way Tie.  We'll have to have POTW by Committee.  ::)

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Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: RE on February 13, 2018, 05:11:56 AM
Constantine has taken the lead!

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Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: K-Dog on February 13, 2018, 09:37:37 AM
After due consideration, I'd have to say that Bucky would make a better advisor than a president. He was way too optimistic about human nature, and never gave up hope.

How about Kurt Vonnegut Jr. ? He was a Doomer. Truly one of our tribe.

Evolution can go to hell as far as I am concerned. What a mistake we are. We have mortally wounded this sweet life-supporting planet - the only one in the whole Milky Way - with a century of transportation whoopee.

Kurt Vonnegut


Yes one of us certainly, but a magical snap of the fingers that puts his visage behind the oval office desk is going to be matched by mayhem by the end of the day.

The deep state has done it before.

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Chile 1973

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Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: RE on February 13, 2018, 09:50:58 AM
Hypatia and Constantine are now tied.  We may need a runoff election.

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Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: K-Dog on February 13, 2018, 01:05:46 PM
Carl Sagan endorses Hypatia.  He is dead so under the circumstances he is qualified to speak up.
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: Eddie on February 13, 2018, 01:07:10 PM
He can be Vice President.
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: K-Dog on February 13, 2018, 01:12:52 PM
He can be Vice President.

Good idea.  I think Constantine will get trounced in a run-off.  Wasn’t he into torture?  Or perhaps that was his son’s thing (plural).  Still, they had to learn it somewhere.
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: azozeo on February 13, 2018, 03:44:47 PM
Carl Sagan endorses Hypatia.  He is dead so under the circumstances he is qualified to speak up.


Are you a closet channeler  ?
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: Surly1 on February 13, 2018, 04:40:13 PM
Carl Sagan endorses Hypatia.  He is dead so under the circumstances he is qualified to speak up.

Link?
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: RE on February 13, 2018, 07:59:20 PM
Hypatia and Constantine still tied.  If the tie isn't broken by tomorrow, we'll have a runoff.

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Title: 🗳️ Voting now OPEN for the Constantine vs. Hypatia Runoff Election!
Post by: RE on February 14, 2018, 03:26:40 PM
We remained tied today so I edited the poll for just Constantine and Hypatia.  All votes were cleared so you have to vote again for you favorite.  Poll is at the top of the thread.

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Title: Re: 🗳️ Voting now OPEN for the Constantine vs. Hypatia Runoff Election!
Post by: RE on February 15, 2018, 06:52:30 AM
We remained tied today so I edited the poll for just Constantine and Hypatia.  All votes were cleared so you have to vote again for you favorite.  Poll is at the top of the thread.

RE

Vote is still tied.  Let's get in some more votes so we can have a clear winner here!

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Title: Re: 🗳️ Voting now OPEN for the Constantine vs. Hypatia Runoff Election!
Post by: RE on February 15, 2018, 05:42:38 PM
Hypatia has taken the lead for POTW!  Voting will remain open until midnite Alaska time.

(https://www.realmofhistory.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Hypatia_Great_Female_Philosopher_Alexandria.jpg)

A new (and tougher IMHO) poll for people currently living who actually COULD be elected POTW will begin tomorrow.

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Title: 🗳️ Hypatia Wins! Nominations now OPEN for Currently Alive candidates
Post by: RE on February 16, 2018, 05:20:12 AM
Hypatia has taken the lead for POTW!  Voting will remain open until midnite Alaska time.

(https://www.realmofhistory.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Hypatia_Great_Female_Philosopher_Alexandria.jpg)

A new (and tougher IMHO) poll for people currently living who actually COULD be elected POTW will begin tomorrow.

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Hypatia declared the Historical Winner and POTW in a Landslide, 5-2 over Constantine!  I voted for Hypatia myself, because she's HOT!  lol.

Now we move on to what IMHO is a much harder election to find viable nominees for, the Currently Alive people.  For myself, there is not a single Political Leader or Bizness Leader I could nominate.  There aren't even any Actors I could support!  ::)  Journalists get a little better, but Knarf already locked up the Chris Hedges nomination.  I considered John Pilger, but he's too much a War correspondent and not enough Economics.  In the end, There Can Be Only One though...

http://www.youtube.com/v/_j6_H-PSml0

...and the Winner IS!...

Julian Assange!
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So for the new election, so far 2 nominees:

1- Chris Hedges
2- Julian Assange

We need at least 3 more nominees to get rolling on the election.  Nominations will stay open a couple of days.  Rules are they must be alive right now and you can't nominate yourself.  I had to make the second rule because otherwise I would have had to nominate myself as most qualified for this position. lol.

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Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: RE on February 16, 2018, 02:04:54 PM
NEW Nominations from Currently Alive People needed for the new election!

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Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: g on February 16, 2018, 03:51:13 PM
NEW Nominations from Currently Alive People needed for the new election!

RE

I will nominate Diner Ashvin.

His goodwill towards others, keen intellect and ability to communicate, scholarship and willingness to engage others who opposed his views in serious thoughtful discussion; his sense of fairness and respect of others with opposite views as well as his trustworthiness make him an ideal candidate for such a responsible position.

Kindly place Ashvin in contention, nominated by GO.  Thanks

Ashvin taught me a great deal and he is sorely missed at the Diner.  He was one of the Diner Greats, along with Peter, UncleBob, MKing, Reanteben, Karpatok, JoeP, Duncan, Nobody and other major contributors who are no longer with us for one reason or another.  :(



Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: Eddie on February 16, 2018, 05:23:22 PM
I nominate Texas Lt. Governor Dan (formerly Dannie Scott Goeb) Patrick. He's the kind of politician Americans want, and everybody knows the President of the World should be A Great American.

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My professional opinion is that his teeth are fake. But this is in keeping with everything else about him. His fake patriotism. His fake pious Christianity. His fake concern about children. His fake fiscal conservatism. He would make a fine President of the World because when his elite billionaire masters like Tim Dunn and the Koch brothers called on him to jump, his only question would be "how high?'.

Here are some examples that put the spotlight on his bona fides.

Dan Patrick is the current lieutenant-governor for the state of Texas, and should not be confused with the legendary ESPN broadcaster of the same name. The ESPN personality was born Dan Pugh, and began using the moniker in 1989 after arriving at ESPN’s Bristol offices. The Texas politician was born Dannie Scott Goeb, and believe it or not was also once upon a time, a sportscaster in Scranton, Pennsylvania in 1977 where as a broadcaster, he was asked to use the same on-air alias by his producer before eventually moving to Houston.

There, Goeb would try to get rich by becoming the co-owner of five Texas sports-bars, with his mother serving as the company’s bookkeeper. It did not go according to plan. By 1986, he was forced to declare bankruptcy, and already suffering from depression, Patrick would be pushed to the brink of suicide. I feel at this point in this entry I should say I don’t feel that Goeb’s battle with depression is not the lowest point for his psychological well-being, and unlike his opponent in the 2014 GOP Primary for lieutenant-governor of Texas, David Dewherst, that I would not disparage him for his struggle with it to try to rule him unfit for office.

No, what’s far more of a concern of potential psychosis are Goeb/Patrick’s politics, which came to the forfront when he would reinvent himself in 1988 as a talk radio host in Texas, and spend the next 15 years of “Dan Patrick” being a Limbaugh knockoff in the Lone Star state. In 2003 Dannie Goeb would legally change his name to Dan Patrick, the name he’d been using on air for years, to help him in his attempt to win a seat on the Texas State Senate. Because it’s really then, through his politics and dissemination of ignorance that this guy became a danger to himself and others.

Goeb/Patrick has repeatedly made racially insensitive remarks regarding Asians. In 1992, he quipped that CBS’ program “Eye to Eye with Connie Chung” would be more aptly named “Slanted Eye to Eye with Connie Chung”.
In 1999, he was discussing trade negotiations between President Bill Clinton’s administration and the Chinese government, and began using pidgin English and a put on Chinese accent, referring to him as “President Crinton”.
On his radio talk show in February 2006, Goeb/Patrick claims that illegal immigrants are bringing “third world diseases” like tuberculosis and leprosy into the United States. (Seriously? Leprosy?)
On April 5th, 2007, a Muslim cleric delivered the first Muslim prayer (which was sponsored by a Jewish member of the legislature in a great show of tolerance) in the Texas State Senate. Goeb/Patrick protested the prayer by walking out of the chamber, then after it was over, came back in to speak about religious tolerance and the First Amendment giving us freedom of speech, without any irony, whatsoever.
In November, 2010, Patrick tried to pass a law in Texas similar to Arizona’s controversial immigration law SB1070, to allow the police the ability to racially profile.
During the debate to pass a mandatory ultrasound bill prior to abortions being performed in Texas (at least they aren’t via transvaginal wand, but they’re still medically unnecessary), Goeb/Patrick asked a fellow legislator, “And if those aborted souls were in the gallery, what would you say to them right now?”

I don’t know why more politicians don’t try to call for testimony from the ghosts of embryos. Oh wait, I do… because that’s friggin’ insane.
Goeb/Patrick chose to inquire with Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott if there really was a legal precedent regarding the legality of domestic partnership benefits. Interesting hobby, wanting to challenge the rights of gay people.
On June 28th, 2013, Texas State Senator Wendy Davis was being hailed as a hero for her all day filibuster of an anti-choice abortion bill in Texas. The next day, though, Goeb/Patrick went on Mike Huckabee’s radio show to claim that he was the one who deserved the praise, because he was trying to get Republicans in the Texas State Senate to just stop her. In the process of his self-praise, he compared himself to Jesus speaking against the Pharisees.
Goeb/Patrick is a big anti-immigration crusader, and wants to repeal the version of the DREAM Act that Texas put into place in 2001, saying that the state founders and his heroes like Sam Houston, Jim Bowie, and William Travis would be proud of him.

The historic ignorance of that statement would be that his “hero” William Travis was an illegal immigrant.

Also what makes his self-portrayal of a crusader against illegal immigration look dumb? Goeb/Patrick employed an illegal immigrant at one of his sports bars without knowing it back in the 1980s. He plead ignorance when this came to light.
On his radio show on October 11th, 2013, Goeb/Patrick gave his advice to cable news networks to get people interested in the news. Get the lady anchors to show off your gams on air, of course!
“I mean CNN is in the tank, MSNBC is in the tank. You know, there are other people they could put on and copy exactly the Fox formula­– what is the Fox formula? Beautiful women who wear skirts, not behind a desk. I mean really, they cross their legs very tightly and sit on a tall stool, that’s part of the presentation. And very conservative opinion makers and good guests, you know? That’s it– 1, 2, 3. And that’s how Roger Ailes [president of Fox News Channel] built his empire.”

I don’t like to just throw the word misogynist around, but if I was looking for a landing pad for the word, that analysis would be a nice place.
December 2013 gave us Goeb/Patrick trying to force the teaching of creationism in Texas schools, in spite of the fact that it would bring about obvious lawsuits regarding the separation of church and state. When confronted with that, Patrick refused to acknowledge that the 1st Amendment of the Constitution establishes the separation of church and state.
Around Christmas 2013, Duck Dynasty star Phil Robertson gave his unique views on gays, earning widespread criticism, and a temporary suspension from the show by A&E network. Several conservatives rallied behind Robertson’s bigoted comments, and among them? Yep. Dannie Goeb/Dan Patrick was there to not just defend him, but to go as far as to declare him as one of God’s modern prophets:

“This is an exciting time for Christians. God is speaking to us from the most unlikely voice, Phil Robertson, about God’s Word. God is using pop culture and a highly successful cable TV show to remind us about His teaching.”

January 2014: Goeb/Patrick declares that he does not believe abortion exceptions for rape and incest should be allowed. Instead, only in instances where a mother’s life is at risk, which he claims is “extremely rare”.
Goeb/Patrick declared his victory in the 2014 GOP Primary for Lieutenant Governor as “God’s Will”.
In October 2014, Goeb/Patrick began airing fearmongering ads that claimed ISIS terrorists were sneaking across the U.S. Mexico border. Of course, both the U.S. Border Patrol and the Pentagon have refuted Republican politicians who claimed that. So Goeb/Patrick is either insane for claiming this, or deliberately knows he’s lying and was hoping to win votes by way of fearmongering. Either possibility is disgusting, frankly.



And there you have it. A man who tries to get public schools to teach scientific ignorance, says racist things about Asians, thinks journalism is better if the news is better when it’s delivered by sexpots, spreads xenophobic lies about immigrants and the U.S. border, and thinks of a bigoted, backwoods bearded kook who tricks ducks into thinking he wants to f*** them as a means to lure them out so he can murder them for sport is speaking on behalf of God.

I really, really wish his sports bar business had succeeded, and all of the ways he’s made Texas politics more ignorant through his show, and his tenure in the State Senate would have never come to pass.



Wait, wait...that all took place before 2015. Here's a 2016 update:

Here’s our update on Dan Patrick’s most offensive moments from 2016:


April 28th, 2016: Patrick calls for a boycott on Target retail stores, for suggesting that they would allow transgendered citizens to use the restroom of their choice in their stores.
June 12th, 2016: Dan Patrick, always terribly homophobic, responds to the shooting at The Pulse nightclub in Orlando by getting on Twitter and quoting a Bible passage that seemed to indicate he felt the victims got what was coming to them:
”’Do not be deceived, God cannot be mocked, A man reaps what he sows.’- Galatians 6:7”

We’re not even going to pull punches here, and sum up that by saying, “What. An. Assh***.” – Luke 3:5

July 8th, 2016: After an attack on Dallas police officers at a Black Lives Matter protest, Patrick blamed the shooting on BLM. (This, of course, ignores the fact that the shooter was not a member of Black Lives Matter, and during the attack, several members of the protest pulled wounded individuals to safety, and helped police identify where the shooter was.)

Dan Patrick is as fanatical as they come, and sadly, will remain in office until at least 2018, when he’s up for re-election. We’ll have to wait and see how big the expected blue wave in the 2018 mid-terms really is, to see if he’s going to be voted out of office or not.

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No, wait...don't go yet. Here's 2017. Best year yet!!! He won Texas Monthly's coveted Bum Steer Awards!!!

Bum Steer Awards 2018 No. 1: Dan Patrick


Our lieutenant governor, for his eagerness to squander his power, waste our time, and drag Texas politics into the bathroom, is our Bum Steer of the Year.

BY
TEXAS MONTHLY
ISSUE
JANUARY 2018


Dan Patrick Bum Steer


Last February, at the start of the 85th legislative session, this magazine named Lieutenant Governor Dan Patrick the most influential person in Texas politics. And for good reason: in the months leading up to the session, he had deftly maneuvered to set the state’s agenda, and he let it be known that he would tolerate little dissent in the upper chamber. What Patrick wanted, he intended to get, and he planned to bulldoze right over anyone who stood in his way, including, if necessary, Speaker Joe Straus and Governor Greg Abbott. When we placed Patrick on our cover, we did so along with two words: in charge.

Early in the session, it looked as though things were going the lieutenant governor’s way. He and his committee chairs steadily passed his priority legislation. He got bills on virtually all of his wish-list items: school choice, property taxes, sanctuary cities, student-teacher relationships, partial-birth abortion, even hailstorm lawsuit reform. Everything seemed to be going according to plan.

Then came Senate Bill 6, which was branded as the Women’s Privacy Act but was better known as the “bathroom bill.” It was ostensibly designed to protect women from men pretending to be women from entering a public bathroom and assaulting them, even though there was no instance of such a thing occurring in Texas. The effect of the bill, whether intentional or not, would have been to marginalize transgender people. Right from the start, the bill was a solution in search of a problem, an ill-advised, half-baked, disingenuous stunt that ran a very real risk of putting in jeopardy one of the most vulnerable populations in our state.

Dan Patrick Bathroom Bill Bum Steer

People the lieutenant governor should have listened to tried to talk him out of it. Prominent members of the business community stood dead set against it. They pointed to North Carolina, where the passing of a similar bill in 2016 resulted in a fiasco. A San Antonio Area Tourism Council study predicted Texas would lose more than $3 billion a year in tourism business if the bill passed. The Texas Association of Business warned that the bill would cause problems with employee recruitment and retention. Companies such as Apple, IBM, Tenet Health, South by Southwest, Dow, and Dell formed a group called Keep Texas Open for Business, with the express purpose of stopping the bill. Even Big Oil joined the resistance.


The Republican-controlled House, too, sent warning signs. The normally reserved Speaker Straus piped up to say he thought the state had far more important priorities, calling the bathroom bill “manufactured and unnecessary.” The Senate Bill sat for months in the House but never got to the floor. Eventually the House passed its own version, diluted to harmlessness, which Patrick promptly declared unacceptable. The clock was running out, and rather than let the bill go, Patrick took hostage two bills that would keep alive a handful of state agencies—including the one that licenses doctors—in order to force a special session.

A million taxpayer dollars and a monthlong special session later, the same forces that had blocked the bathroom bill earlier halted it again. The whole episode was a master class in waste. The most influential person in Texas politics used his vast power to manufacture hysteria (boys and girls showering together at school!) to pass a law few in the state wanted, only to see all his efforts come to naught. In his obsession with where people pee, Patrick flushed away much of his political capital and a lot of taxpayer money—and put at risk untold millions in economic activity. That makes him our 2018 Bum Steer of the Year.

I think you can see that he's in a league of his own. No one can protect American Christian values and keep immigrants out of our country and trannies out of our Women's restrooms like Dan can.

Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: RE on February 16, 2018, 05:29:15 PM
NEW Nominations from Currently Alive People needed for the new election!

RE

I will nominate Diner Ashvin.

Watson now nominated.  We have 3 now, 2 to go.

1- Chris Hedges
2- Julian Assange
3- Ashvin Pandurangi

RE
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: RE on February 16, 2018, 05:31:19 PM
I nominate Texas Lt. Governor Dan (formerly Dannie Scott Goeb) Patrick. He's the kind of politician Americans want, and everybody knows the President of the World should be A Great American.

Give me a serious nomination pleeez.  Didn't you have some Asian leader you wanted to nominate in the last poll that was DQed for still being alive?

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Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: Eddie on February 16, 2018, 05:36:58 PM
I'm as serious as a heartbeat. Give the people of the world exactly what they deserve. Mike Pence is gonna be the next US President. How could Dan Patrick be worse than that?

Moron presidents are all the rage now. Get with the program.

 
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: RE on February 16, 2018, 05:50:52 PM
I'm as serious as a heartbeat. Give the people of the world exactly what they deserve. Mike Pence is gonna be the next US President. How could Dan Patrick be worse than that?

Moron presidents are all the rage now. Get with the program.

The idea here is to FIX the problems, not make them worse.  Voting is SUPPOSED to enable you to do that.  At least that is what Surly tells me all the time anyhow.  ::)

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Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: Surly1 on February 16, 2018, 06:03:48 PM
NEW Nominations from Currently Alive People needed for the new election!

RE

I will nominate Diner Ashvin.

Watson now nominated.  We have 3 now, 2 to go.

1- Chris Hedges
2- Julian Assange
3- Ashvin Pandurangi

RE

Hm. Anyone heard from him lately? Last time I looked, it appeared he had folded his blog.

This is a tough assignment. Why nominate a Henry Giroux or Greg Palast when the journey slot is occupied by someone of great moral weight.

And why nominate Edward Snowden when the role of Putin intel asset is already filled by Assange.

Since none of the nominees actually have executive experience, I nominate Jose Mujica, the former President of Uruguay.

He is a former revolutionary, a socialist, and a man of great humility and moral suasion. He eschewed all the trappings of high office, and lived humbly in accordance with his roots and his beliefs. As the article says, "Mr Mujica leaves office with a relatively healthy economy and with social stability those bigger neighbours could only dream of." Thus unlike the other nominees, he offers and executive track record.

Uruguay bids farewell to Jose Mujica, its pauper president (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-31679475)

Wyre Davies  Rio de Janeiro correspondent
 
Media captionJose Mujica is often referred to as the president most other countries would rather have, as Wyre Davies reports

Whatever your own particular "shade" of politics, it's impossible not to be impressed or beguiled by Jose "Pepe" Mujica.

There are idealistic, hard-working and honest politicians the world over - although cynics might argue they're a small minority - but none of them surely comes anywhere close to the outgoing Uruguayan president when it comes to living by one's principles.

It's not just for show. Mr Mujica's beat-up old VW Beetle is probably one of the most famous cars in the world and his decision to forgo the luxury of the Presidential Palace is not unique - his successor, Tabare Vazquez, will also probably elect to live at home.

But when you visit "Pepe" at his tiny, one-storey home on the outskirts of Montevideo you realise that the man is as good as his word.

People walk past graffiti thanking Jose 'Pepe' Mujica, Uruguay's outgoing president - 28 February 2015Image copyrightAP
Image captionMr Mujica leaves office with Uruguay's economy in better shape than its bigger neighbours

Wearing what could best be described as "casual" clothes - I don't think he's ever been seen wearing a tie - Mr Mujica seats himself down on a simple wooden stool in front of a bookshelf that seems on the verge of collapsing under the weight of biographies and mementoes from his political adversaries and allies.

Books are important to the former guerrilla fighter who spent a total of 13 years in jail, two of them lying at the bottom of an old horse trough. It was an experience that almost broke him mentally and which shaped his transformation from fighter to politician.

'Inner strength'

"I was imprisoned in solitary [confinement] so the day they put me on a sofa I felt comfortable!" Mr Mujica jokes.

"I've no doubt that had I not lived through that I would not be who I am today. Prison, solitary confinement had a huge influence on me. I had to find an inner strength. I couldn't even read a book for seven, eight years - imagine that!"

Given his past, it's perhaps understandable why Mr Mujica gives away about 90% of his salary to charity, simply because he "has no need for it".

A little bit grumpy to begin with, Mr Mujica warms to his task as he describes being perplexed by those who question his lifestyle.

"This world is crazy, crazy! People are amazed by normal things and that obsession worries me!"

Uruguayan President Jose Mujica with his wife Lucia Topolansky during a farewell ceremony in Montevideo - 27 February 2015Image copyrightAFP
Image captionHe married Lucia Topolansky, his long-term partner and former co-revolutionary, in 2005

Not afraid to take a swipe at his fellow leaders, he adds: "All I do is live like the majority of my people, not the minority. I'm living a normal life and Italian, Spanish leaders should also live as their people do. They shouldn't be aspiring to or copying a rich minority."

Jose Mujica is outspoken and sometimes brusque, but he can afford to be so.

Uruguay is often referred to as the most liberal country in South America. As economic and political turmoil threaten to engulf the neighbouring giants of Brazil and Argentina, this country of just three million people certainly feels like a refuge.

Controversial policies

Mr Mujica leaves office with a relatively healthy economy and with social stability those bigger neighbours could only dream of.

Mr Mujica's underlying principles are still socialist but he's a man who has mellowed with age. Some of the most controversial political initiatives from his five years as president - like the legalisation of abortion and cannabis - were done for pragmatic as much as ideological reasons.

"Marijuana is another plague, another addiction. Some say its good but no, that's rubbish. Not marijuana, tobacco or alcohol - the only good addiction is love!" says the man who in 2005 married his long-term partner and former co-revolutionary, Lucia Topolansky.

"But 150,000 people smoke [marijuana] here and I couldn't leave them at the mercy of drugs traffickers," he says. "It's easier to control something if it's legal and that's why we've done this."

Uruguay's President Jose Mujica flashes a thumbs up as he and and his wife leave their home on the outskirts of Montevideo in their famous VW Beetle - 2 May 2014Image copyrightAP
Image captionAlthough Mr Mujica is leaving the presidency, he says he has no intention of retiring quietly

Mr Mujica, who is sometimes described as the "president every other country would like to have," dismisses all the adulation and attention with a waft of his hand but he is not leaving the stage just yet.

"I have no intention of being an old pensioner, sitting in a corner writing my memoirs - no way!" he barks at me with a grin.

"I'm tired of course, but I'm not ready to stop. My journey's ending and every day I'm a little closer to the grave."

Maybe so, but this enigmatic leader remains an inspiration to many and is a reminder that politics is meant to be a humble and honourable profession.

Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: g on February 16, 2018, 06:10:58 PM
Hi checking the top of the thread but no place to vote.

Last candidates still up.  :icon_scratch:
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: RE on February 16, 2018, 06:14:21 PM
Hi checking the top of the thread but no place to vote.

Last candidates still up.  :icon_scratch:

We don't have 5 candidates yet.  I'm not changing the poll until we have at least 5.

RE
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: RE on February 17, 2018, 05:12:16 AM

Hm. Anyone heard from him lately? Last time I looked, it appeared he had folded his blog.

This is a tough assignment. Why nominate a Henry Giroux or Greg Palast when the journey slot is occupied by someone of great moral weight.

And why nominate Edward Snowden when the role of Putin intel asset is already filled by Assange.

Since none of the nominees actually have executive experience, I nominate Jose Mujica, the former President of Uruguay.

OK, now up to 4 nominees (I am NOT accepting Eddie's nomination!  This election is to try and get BETTER people in office!)

1- Chris Hedges
2- Julian Assange
3- Ashvin Pandurangi
4- Jose Mujica

I can think of another possible two, Oz Economista Steve Keen or another Economista Michael Hudson.  For more local Diners, you might consider nominating Steve Ludlum from Economic Undertow also.

Or you could nominate ME!  :icon_sunny:   :icon_mrgreen:

RE
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: g on February 17, 2018, 06:04:11 AM


Or you could nominate ME!  :icon_sunny:   :icon_mrgreen:

RE

Guy's like me would be put to the guillotine under your reign. No Thanks  :-\

Leaders have to be fair and not judgemental, especially of the wealthy. Who are you going to tax if we all are poor??   :icon_scratch: :-\

I don't like being poor, been there and tried it.  Rich is better. I experimented so trust me.

Lefty's and communists all hate me cause I'm rich. But they don't hate George Clooney or Cher. Hypocrites  :emthdown: :emthdown: :exp-embarrassed:
                           
                                           

                                  (https://houseofgeekery.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/04c9d5cc6cf0b7fd5a75c6665735d13f.jpg)

              So I got a few bucks, big deal. I'm still a great guy. Ask my mother if you don't believe me.  :-\
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: RE on February 17, 2018, 08:57:56 AM


Or you could nominate ME!  :icon_sunny:   :icon_mrgreen:

RE

Guy's like me would be put to the guillotine under your reign. No Thanks  :-\

Leaders have to be fair and not judgemental, especially of the wealthy. Who are you going to tax if we all are poor??   :icon_scratch: :-\

I don't like being poor, been there and tried it.  Rich is better. I experimented so trust me.

Lefty's and communists all hate me cause I'm rich. But they don't hate George Clooney or Cher. Hypocrites  :emthdown: :emthdown: :exp-embarrassed:
                           
                                  (https://houseofgeekery.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/04c9d5cc6cf0b7fd5a75c6665735d13f.jpg)

              So I got a few bucks, big deal. I'm still a great guy. Ask my mother if you don't believe me.  :-\

Goldfinger is not eligible for this election for a couple of reasons.  First off, he's a character in a movie, not a real person.  Second, the actor who portrayed him, Gert Froebe is dead.

You are also labeling Lefties and Communists again and lumping them all together.  Personally, I can't stand George Clooney.

RE
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: Ashvin on February 20, 2018, 09:17:10 AM
NEW Nominations from Currently Alive People needed for the new election!

RE

I will nominate Diner Ashvin.

His goodwill towards others, keen intellect and ability to communicate, scholarship and willingness to engage others who opposed his views in serious thoughtful discussion; his sense of fairness and respect of others with opposite views as well as his trustworthiness make him an ideal candidate for such a responsible position.

Kindly place Ashvin in contention, nominated by GO.  Thanks

Ashvin taught me a great deal and he is sorely missed at the Diner.  He was one of the Diner Greats, along with Peter, UncleBob, MKing, Reanteben, Karpatok, JoeP, Duncan, Nobody and other major contributors who are no longer with us for one reason or another.  :(

Those are really kinds words, GO. I truly appreciate it! What are the chances that I would choose to drop in on this forum for the first time in ____ (?) months and find out I have been nominated to be POTW??  :o

I haven't even visited collapse blogs lately, let alone try to write for or in one. Part of it is being busy with work and personal stuff, but then again it only takes a few minutes to check in and drop a post every once in awhile. I guess the real reason is that I don't find any productive value in it.

It's a bit disheartening to think that so many great minds could "come together" and almost nothing of substantive value could result. For all the articles, posts, musings and predictions WE have all produced in various collapse forums, what has resulted? It almost seems like it has done more harm than good, if for no other reason than it has motivated others to waste so much time and brain power here, with the illusory promise that something real and profound and worthwhile is sure to come from it. Perhaps it is just the nature of online forums that creates this dynamic in which a bunch of smart people can spend a lot of time writing interesting and contemplative things to each other, and yet no one is better off for it (I can hear the voices saying, "speak for yourself!"... and that's what I am doing).

That being said, and what I think I have been consistent about for the last two years or so, is that philosophical or theological discussion is always worthwhile. The online dynamic almost drains even this topic of all it's efficacy, but it remains, in my mind, the ONLY subject which could be discussed without coming at an unbearable opportunity cost. 
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: RE on February 20, 2018, 09:34:11 AM
NEW Nominations from Currently Alive People needed for the new election!

RE

I will nominate Diner Ashvin.

His goodwill towards others, keen intellect and ability to communicate, scholarship and willingness to engage others who opposed his views in serious thoughtful discussion; his sense of fairness and respect of others with opposite views as well as his trustworthiness make him an ideal candidate for such a responsible position.

Kindly place Ashvin in contention, nominated by GO.  Thanks

Ashvin taught me a great deal and he is sorely missed at the Diner.  He was one of the Diner Greats, along with Peter, UncleBob, MKing, Reanteben, Karpatok, JoeP, Duncan, Nobody and other major contributors who are no longer with us for one reason or another.  :(

Those are really kinds words, GO. I truly appreciate it! What are the chances that I would choose to drop in on this forum for the first time in ____ (?) months and find out I have been nominated to be POTW??  :o

I haven't even visited collapse blogs lately, let alone try to write for or in one. Part of it is being busy with work and personal stuff, but then again it only takes a few minutes to check in and drop a post every once in awhile. I guess the real reason is that I don't find any productive value in it.

It's a bit disheartening to think that so many great minds could "come together" and almost nothing of substantive value could result. For all the articles, posts, musings and predictions WE have all produced in various collapse forums, what has resulted? It almost seems like it has done more harm than good, if for no other reason than it has motivated others to waste so much time and brain power here, with the illusory promise that something real and profound and worthwhile is sure to come from it. Perhaps it is just the nature of online forums that creates this dynamic in which a bunch of smart people can spend a lot of time writing interesting and contemplative things to each other, and yet no one is better off for it (I can hear the voices saying, "speak for yourself!"... and that's what I am doing).

That being said, and what I think I have been consistent about for the last two years or so, is that philosophical or theological discussion is always worthwhile. The online dynamic almost drains even this topic of all it's efficacy, but it remains, in my mind, the ONLY subject which could be discussed without coming at an unbearable opportunity cost.

I don't see any real negative in contemplating on what it would take to make a better future, even if it is highly unlikely you can succeed IRL with such discussions.  It's a Thought Experiment with others who have decent brain power and some concept of what is ongoing here.  You never know though, at some point it might go VIRAL.

For me, it occupies my days as I wait to die.  It's entertaining in its own way.  It tests your creativity in thinking about the problems and what it might take to resolve them, or at least work around them.  For people currently struggling to make their way through this clusterfuck, bizzy with work and their own lives, maybe it takes too much time and emotional energy, but as you say you can just drop in once in a while with some thoughts on the subjects being discussed.  This does not take much time to do.  When I was still working, I would compose up my blogs in my head during the day, then pound them out on the keyboard fairly rapidly in the evening while eating my dinner or waiting for it to finish cooking.  What else is there to do?  Watch stupid TV shows?

RE
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: RE on February 20, 2018, 09:44:15 AM
BTW, we still need one more nomination to get the new Poll for POTW going.  Anyone going to ante up a candidate?

RE
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: Ashvin on February 20, 2018, 11:42:04 AM
I don't see any real negative in contemplating on what it would take to make a better future, even if it is highly unlikely you can succeed IRL with such discussions.  It's a Thought Experiment with others who have decent brain power and some concept of what is ongoing here.  You never know though, at some point it might go VIRAL.

For me, it occupies my days as I wait to die.  It's entertaining in its own way.  It tests your creativity in thinking about the problems and what it might take to resolve them, or at least work around them.  For people currently struggling to make their way through this clusterfuck, bizzy with work and their own lives, maybe it takes too much time and emotional energy, but as you say you can just drop in once in a while with some thoughts on the subjects being discussed.  This does not take much time to do.  When I was still working, I would compose up my blogs in my head during the day, then pound them out on the keyboard fairly rapidly in the evening while eating my dinner or waiting for it to finish cooking.  What else is there to do?  Watch stupid TV shows?

RE

There are some very thought-provoking TV shows now! Check out Black Mirror on Netflix.

The underlying assumption in your response is that the ongoing "thought experiment" from blogging here does not have a significant negative impact on readers. I think many of the posts are relatively harmless, but there are also a decent amount which are misinformed, misguided and sometimes even malevolent.

There are some posters who shall rename nameless for now, who drop substantial amounts of posts here, which posit speculative collapse-related worldviews and harshly condemn anyone who would question them. They create an atmosphere of unrelenting fear, anxiety and paranoia that is unwarranted and unhealthy. Certainly unproductive to any hopes of real progress in our society's attitudes and mindsets about the best ways to move forward.
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: Surly1 on February 20, 2018, 12:30:04 PM
Those are really kinds words, GO. I truly appreciate it! What are the chances that I would choose to drop in on this forum for the first time in ____ (?) months and find out I have been nominated to be POTW??  :o

Hi Ashvin,

Just FYI, it may be a day or two before you hear from GO. Had had reported some serious wi-fi problems which may require some physical installation. He sent up a flare on Saturday.

Nice to have you back among us, under any circumstances.
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: RE on February 20, 2018, 01:41:37 PM
I don't see any real negative in contemplating on what it would take to make a better future, even if it is highly unlikely you can succeed IRL with such discussions.  It's a Thought Experiment with others who have decent brain power and some concept of what is ongoing here.  You never know though, at some point it might go VIRAL.

For me, it occupies my days as I wait to die.  It's entertaining in its own way.  It tests your creativity in thinking about the problems and what it might take to resolve them, or at least work around them.  For people currently struggling to make their way through this clusterfuck, bizzy with work and their own lives, maybe it takes too much time and emotional energy, but as you say you can just drop in once in a while with some thoughts on the subjects being discussed.  This does not take much time to do.  When I was still working, I would compose up my blogs in my head during the day, then pound them out on the keyboard fairly rapidly in the evening while eating my dinner or waiting for it to finish cooking.  What else is there to do?  Watch stupid TV shows?

RE

There are some very thought-provoking TV shows now! Check out Black Mirror on Netflix.

The underlying assumption in your response is that the ongoing "thought experiment" from blogging here does not have a significant negative impact on readers. I think many of the posts are relatively harmless, but there are also a decent amount which are misinformed, misguided and sometimes even malevolent.

There are some posters who shall rename nameless for now, who drop substantial amounts of posts here, which posit speculative collapse-related worldviews and harshly condemn anyone who would question them. They create an atmosphere of unrelenting fear, anxiety and paranoia that is unwarranted and unhealthy. Certainly unproductive to any hopes of real progress in our society's attitudes and mindsets about the best ways to move forward.

I don't own a TV.

As far as the "malevolence" you find here on the Diner, compared to what you get in the movies, TV or video games, it's positively mild.  It also has nowhere near the reach that media has, particularly the forum here.  There are maybe 20 people who post up periodically and we have a decent crew of lurkers too, but I doubt more than 100 different people read a given post made on the forum.  It's mainly a sounding board for the regulars to share their opinions on a variety of doom related topics.  The amount of damage this could possibly do is insignificant, at least at the moment.  If it ever went viral it might have an impact, but that seems unlikely.

Our discussions are often spirited, and no 2 Diners agree on everything.  Barfights break out periodically too.  It's really just like going to the local Pub, sitting down at the bar and shooting the shit with other regulars and the Bartender.  Just here we can do it across the whole Globe, which you need to do to find enough people who have the brains to elucidate what is occurring here and speculate on what is coming down the pike.  IRL, just about nobody has anyone else to discuss Collapse issues with, their family members don't wanna hear about it.

You and I will never agree on religion and certainly not the deification of Jesus Christ, but that doesn't mean I don't like discussing religion with you or that I don't take away new insights about the topic resulting from our discussions either.  I do.  So drop in here whenever you like, have a beer and shoot the shit.  The number of people we can possibly harm here is miniscule.

RE
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: Eddie on February 20, 2018, 01:46:01 PM
I don't own a TV.

Silly boy. Everybody watches Netflix on their laptops now. Television is insidious and unrelenting. Prepare to be assimilated.

I haven't seen Black Mirror, but one of my daughters mentioned it was pretty good.
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: RE on February 20, 2018, 01:53:38 PM
I don't own a TV.

Silly boy. Everybody watches Netflix on their laptops now. Television is insidious and unrelenting. Prepare to be assimilated.

I haven't seen Black Mirror, but one of my daughters mentioned it was pretty good.

Netflix costs MONEY!  I don't access anything I can't get on the net for FREE!  :icon_sunny:  Working my way around paywalls  these days just to read the news has been an exercise in creativity.

It also uses up a shit load of bandwidth.  As it is, I am already using my 75GB of bandwidth at high speed every month.

RE
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: Eddie on February 20, 2018, 02:00:59 PM
We pirate Netflix off the kid's account.
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: RE on February 20, 2018, 02:08:58 PM
We pirate Netflix off the kid's account.

Just to remind you, I don't have kids.

RE
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: Eddie on February 20, 2018, 02:26:08 PM
How about this, er, uh, guy....Stu Rasmussen, the mayor of Silverton Oregon.

(http://naseemrakha.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/p6a.jpg)
The TransWorld Candidate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stu_Rasmussen (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stu_Rasmussen)

Stu is a very special man, as you can see.

Warning: Failure to certify this candidate might mean you're discriminating against LGBT citizens, denying them their Constitutional rights, and possibly committing a hate crime.

The photo below adds no additional information, but I wanted to know how many people viewing it think it looks like an old Monty Python skit.

(http://transascity.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Oregon_Settlement.jpg)

Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: Eddie on February 20, 2018, 02:28:00 PM
We pirate Netflix off the kid's account.

Just to remind you, I don't have kids.

RE

Yes. Definitely poor planning on your part.

I'm sure you know somebody with a Netflix account, though.
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: RE on February 20, 2018, 02:30:23 PM
How about this, er, uh, guy....Stu Rasmussen, the mayor of Silverton Oregon.

(http://naseemrakha.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/p6a.jpg)
The TransWorld Candidate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stu_Rasmussen (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stu_Rasmussen)

Stu is a very special man, as you can see.

Warning: Failure to certify this candidate might mean you're discriminating against LGBT citizens, denying them their Constitutional rights, and possibly committing a hate crime.

The photo below adds no additional information, but I wanted to know how many people viewing it think it looks like an old Monty Python skit.

(http://transascity.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Oregon_Settlement.jpg)

OK, I'll add Stu!  :icon_sunny:  He/She has Executive Experience, so is a serious candidate.

I will wait the rest of the day for further nominations and have the new poll up tomorrow.

RE
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: luciddreams on February 20, 2018, 03:28:46 PM
How about this, er, uh, guy....Stu Rasmussen, the mayor of Silverton Oregon.

(http://naseemrakha.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/p6a.jpg)
The TransWorld Candidate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stu_Rasmussen (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stu_Rasmussen)

Stu is a very special man, as you can see.

Warning: Failure to certify this candidate might mean you're discriminating against LGBT citizens, denying them their Constitutional rights, and possibly committing a hate crime.

The photo below adds no additional information, but I wanted to know how many people viewing it think it looks like an old Monty Python skit.

(http://transascity.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Oregon_Settlement.jpg)

Does she have a weiner?   ;D

Not that it will affect my vote...just curious. 
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: Eddie on February 20, 2018, 03:42:19 PM
Survey says yes...and he considers himself a he, not a she.


But he DID get a boob job anyway, from what I understand. He apparently has owned and run the local movie house in Silverton for 43 years.

Don't sit in the balcony, whatever you do.
Title: 🗳️ NEWEST President of the World (POTW) Election for Currently Living People
Post by: RE on February 21, 2018, 02:51:01 AM
Who will win this round?  Drop your ballot in the box at the top of the page.

RE
Title: Re: 🗳️ NEWEST President of the World (POTW) Election for Currently Living People
Post by: RE on February 21, 2018, 10:56:34 AM
Who will win this round?  Drop your ballot in the box at the top of the page.

RE

We currently have a 3-Way tie between Julian, Ashvin and Jose.  We need more voters!

RE
Title: Re: 🗳️ NEWEST President of the World (POTW) Election for Currently Living People
Post by: RE on February 21, 2018, 02:59:17 PM
Who will win this round?  Drop your ballot in the box at the top of the page.

RE

We currently have a 3-Way tie between Julian, Ashvin and Jose.  We need more voters!

RE

We now have a 5-Way Tie!  ::)

Gotta love how Democratic Voting works!   ::)

RE
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: g on February 21, 2018, 10:44:34 PM
NEW Nominations from Currently Alive People needed for the new election!

RE

I will nominate Diner Ashvin.

His goodwill towards others, keen intellect and ability to communicate, scholarship and willingness to engage others who opposed his views in serious thoughtful discussion; his sense of fairness and respect of others with opposite views as well as his trustworthiness make him an ideal candidate for such a responsible position.

Kindly place Ashvin in contention, nominated by GO.  Thanks

Ashvin taught me a great deal and he is sorely missed at the Diner.  He was one of the Diner Greats, along with Peter, UncleBob, MKing, Reanteben, Karpatok, JoeP, Duncan, Nobody and other major contributors who are no longer with us for one reason or another.  :(

Those are really kinds words, GO. I truly appreciate it! What are the chances that I would choose to drop in on this forum for the first time in ____ (?) months and find out I have been nominated to be POTW??  :o

I haven't even visited collapse blogs lately, let alone try to write for or in one. Part of it is being busy with work and personal stuff, but then again it only takes a few minutes to check in and drop a post every once in awhile. I guess the real reason is that I don't find any productive value in it.

It's a bit disheartening to think that so many great minds could "come together" and almost nothing of substantive value could result. For all the articles, posts, musings and predictions WE have all produced in various collapse forums, what has resulted? It almost seems like it has done more harm than good, if for no other reason than it has motivated others to waste so much time and brain power here, with the illusory promise that something real and profound and worthwhile is sure to come from it. Perhaps it is just the nature of online forums that creates this dynamic in which a bunch of smart people can spend a lot of time writing interesting and contemplative things to each other, and yet no one is better off for it (I can hear the voices saying, "speak for yourself!"... and that's what I am doing).

That being said, and what I think I have been consistent about for the last two years or so, is that philosophical or theological discussion is always worthwhile. The online dynamic almost drains even this topic of all it's efficacy, but it remains, in my mind, the ONLY subject which could be discussed without coming at an unbearable opportunity cost.

What a pleasure hearing from you Ashvin.

Your old productive and industrious, as well as thoughtful self I see. Yes doom blogs are pretty much a waste of time, especially for a young man like yourself with so much talent and desire to do something constructive. Not so much so for us old timers that have pretty much reached our zenith a while back. More a social club in my view where we chew the fat and exchange life experiences and beliefs dating back to our youth.

As I think back on all the postings on the Diner, from peak oil to collapse, my gold threads, it is obvious to me that your theological and philosophical discussions were the most important and still relevant years later. Personally, it was like being back in school listening to one of the most scholarly of the Jesuits for me. Your ability to explain Christianity is a true gift, one you should be proud and thankful for.

You must have so much on your plate, with the law practice and your varied interests. Please find the time to drop in now and then for a moment and let us know your okay.        Great hearing from  you Ash, GO 

                                                           
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: Ashvin on February 22, 2018, 09:22:10 AM
I don't see any real negative in contemplating on what it would take to make a better future, even if it is highly unlikely you can succeed IRL with such discussions.  It's a Thought Experiment with others who have decent brain power and some concept of what is ongoing here.  You never know though, at some point it might go VIRAL.

For me, it occupies my days as I wait to die.  It's entertaining in its own way.  It tests your creativity in thinking about the problems and what it might take to resolve them, or at least work around them.  For people currently struggling to make their way through this clusterfuck, bizzy with work and their own lives, maybe it takes too much time and emotional energy, but as you say you can just drop in once in a while with some thoughts on the subjects being discussed.  This does not take much time to do.  When I was still working, I would compose up my blogs in my head during the day, then pound them out on the keyboard fairly rapidly in the evening while eating my dinner or waiting for it to finish cooking.  What else is there to do?  Watch stupid TV shows?

RE

There are some very thought-provoking TV shows now! Check out Black Mirror on Netflix.

The underlying assumption in your response is that the ongoing "thought experiment" from blogging here does not have a significant negative impact on readers. I think many of the posts are relatively harmless, but there are also a decent amount which are misinformed, misguided and sometimes even malevolent.

There are some posters who shall rename nameless for now, who drop substantial amounts of posts here, which posit speculative collapse-related worldviews and harshly condemn anyone who would question them. They create an atmosphere of unrelenting fear, anxiety and paranoia that is unwarranted and unhealthy. Certainly unproductive to any hopes of real progress in our society's attitudes and mindsets about the best ways to move forward.

I don't own a TV.

As far as the "malevolence" you find here on the Diner, compared to what you get in the movies, TV or video games, it's positively mild.  It also has nowhere near the reach that media has, particularly the forum here.  There are maybe 20 people who post up periodically and we have a decent crew of lurkers too, but I doubt more than 100 different people read a given post made on the forum.  It's mainly a sounding board for the regulars to share their opinions on a variety of doom related topics.  The amount of damage this could possibly do is insignificant, at least at the moment.  If it ever went viral it might have an impact, but that seems unlikely.

Our discussions are often spirited, and no 2 Diners agree on everything.  Barfights break out periodically too.  It's really just like going to the local Pub, sitting down at the bar and shooting the shit with other regulars and the Bartender.  Just here we can do it across the whole Globe, which you need to do to find enough people who have the brains to elucidate what is occurring here and speculate on what is coming down the pike.  IRL, just about nobody has anyone else to discuss Collapse issues with, their family members don't wanna hear about it.

You and I will never agree on religion and certainly not the deification of Jesus Christ, but that doesn't mean I don't like discussing religion with you or that I don't take away new insights about the topic resulting from our discussions either.  I do.  So drop in here whenever you like, have a beer and shoot the shit.  The number of people we can possibly harm here is miniscule.

RE

Sure, I get that. And I didn't mean that what goes on here is some huge detriment to society, at least not the Diner by itself.

Maybe things have changed, but it used to be that people visited forums like this one for some real profundity and insight into what has happened and, more importantly, what will happen in the near-term and how we should all think and react going forward. On that level, I think the collapse blogosphere has failed spectacularly.

But it's good that you, as the forum founder, recognize the limitations of your creation and are willing to "market" it as more of a hangout where various minds can pontificate with each other on a range of topics (some more asinine than others). I'll make an effort to pop in for the philosophical and theological musings.

Somehow, I have been getting Netflix for free since it first started...
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: azozeo on February 22, 2018, 09:54:46 AM
Ashvin,
I threw my ticket in your hat for a reason.
This planet needs some clarity to say the least.
With your closed minded-ness I expect we can get back to BAU mucho,pronto, Amigo !

It's nice to see your tongue hasn't lost it's edge.....
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: RE on February 22, 2018, 10:09:12 AM
Sure, I get that. And I didn't mean that what goes on here is some huge detriment to society, at least not the Diner by itself.

Maybe things have changed, but it used to be that people visited forums like this one for some real profundity and insight into what has happened and, more importantly, what will happen in the near-term and how we should all think and react going forward. On that level, I think the collapse blogosphere has failed spectacularly.

I don't think anyone ever went to a forum to find profundity and insight.  If they did, they don't understand the nature of online forums.  They go to chew the fat with others of like minds.  Or to argue with people of the opposite mindset.  The collapse blogosphere has succeeded magnificently in this respect.  :icon_sunny:

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But it's good that you, as the forum founder, recognize the limitations of your creation and are willing to "market" it as more of a hangout where various minds can pontificate with each other on a range of topics (some more asinine than others). I'll make an effort to pop in for the philosophical and theological musings.

I don't consider this a limitation, it's a feature.  :icon_sunny:

We don't have many theological and philosophical discussions anymore.  First off, you and Ka dropped out.  Second, the rest of us all know what the others think on these topics.  We exhausted them.

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Somehow, I have been getting Netflix for free since it first started...

If/When they discover this, you can be charged retroactively for all of it, plus a fine for knowingly pirating content.

Your not so subtle attempts to diss the board did not go unnoticed.  Have a nice day. :P

RE
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: RE on February 22, 2018, 10:14:33 AM
Julian and Ashvin are tied in the latest election for POTW.  If they are still tied tomorrow, we will have a runoff election.

RE
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: luciddreams on February 22, 2018, 03:08:49 PM
Well I voted for Ashvin because I know him, at least his online presence.  I know he's very intelligent and aware of the issues that are really affecting the world by way of economics and the biosphere.  I also know that he'd keep religion out of politics.  It's been a while since I argued with him, but I only remember arguing about religion.  As far as I know I agree with him on most all other big topics. 

I definitely would not want a male with breast implants running the world.  That shit is unstable.  I'd rather have a transgender with breast implants whom considers himself a her.  If you get tits and consider yourself a man...that's just creepy and unstable psychology.  It says a lot that we have a sizeable portion of this civilization that takes that shit seriously. 

I'm glad to see you back Ashvin.  I come and go, but I always come back to my internet home.  There's not really any other internet site I care about or want to spend time at.  For me, this is a familiar bar with patrons I know personally.  Usually when I'm on the Diner I'm drinkin' a beer (or 6).  It's just a place to hang out with like minded people while getting tipsy.  Otherwise I'd just be drinkin' beer by myself in the sleeper of a truck. 
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: Ashvin on February 24, 2018, 06:03:09 PM
I don't think anyone ever went to a forum to find profundity and insight.  If they did, they don't understand the nature of online forums.  They go to chew the fat with others of like minds.  Or to argue with people of the opposite mindset.  The collapse blogosphere has succeeded magnificently in this respect.  :icon_sunny:

People don't spend time arguing with other people unless they really care about the topic they're arguing about. Now this has mostly changed through the medium of online forums and social media, and that is my point. Even if they don't really care, the collapse crowd certainly ACTS like they do care.

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I don't consider this a limitation, it's a feature.  :icon_sunny:

We don't have many theological and philosophical discussions anymore.  First off, you and Ka dropped out.  Second, the rest of us all know what the others think on these topics.  We exhausted them.

I know you don't, and that's the problem! At least it was the problem... now that you recognize this feature is the exclusive value of the forum, perhaps it's not anymore.

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If/When they discover this, you can be charged retroactively for all of it, plus a fine for knowingly pirating content.

Your not so subtle attempts to diss the board did not go unnoticed.  Have a nice day. :P

RE

Is this your expert legal opinion? They can't steal my credit card or bank information and start making charges I never agreed to.

I didn't think I was being subtle... I am definitely intending to be super critical of what goes on in this forum. To be fair I should say what WENT on, since I haven't been following very closely for some time.
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: RE on February 24, 2018, 06:12:17 PM
I didn't think I was being subtle... I am definitely intending to be super critical of what goes on in this forum. To be fair I should say what WENT on, since I haven't been following very closely for some time.

If your objective in returning here is to be super-critical of the conversation, then your presence is a detriment to the board.  If you want to chat with us, then you should have a more neutral POV.

This site has lasted for over 6 years now.  How long did you keep "Picturing Christ" running?  I don't think you even made it a whole year.  You hardly have a right to be super critical here.

RE
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: g on February 24, 2018, 07:02:43 PM
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I don't think anyone ever went to a forum to find profundity and insight.  If they did, they don't understand the nature of online forums.

I joined the forum for just that reason to find profundity and insight.

Have only been the member of two, Automatic Earth and here. Nicole Foss and Ashvin impressed me with their work, at that time financial matters and energy issues.

Then came here from the AE when El'G came and from RE soliciting on AE. Joined TBP for a brief stint when banned from here, but just felt like I did not belong.

Ashvin and Uncle Bob  were the two diners that influenced me most, but many of the earlier Diners, like Peter and El'g caused me to think in an out of the box way and look at things in a different light.

The Diner has evolved now, especially since the censorship cancer invaded, into a chew the fat social gathering IMO. It's early magic and wonder has long dissipated into petty political bickering and ego manifestation with a prison like governing structure, a warden, guards and inmates to protect the agenda, an agenda which is a pure leftist communist extreme  IMO.

My feeling of my not wasting my time here comes mostly from Ashvin. He more than anyone made me aware of how little I know, and what topics are of real importance.

Just my two cents on why I joined and my reflection on the entire matter. 

Of course I forgot to mention myself. A self proclaimed gold bug and firm believer that fiat government controlled money is an evil and cause of many of our problems. My contribution, while small, was sincere, in trying my utmost to get this point across as it relates to waste, corruption, endless warmongering, and the evil of too big a government in all matters.   
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: RE on February 24, 2018, 07:48:23 PM
No Forum is PERFECT.  You just do the best you can to keep it on track.  6 years and still going!  :icon_sunny:

RE
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: Ashvin on February 25, 2018, 02:11:51 AM
I didn't think I was being subtle... I am definitely intending to be super critical of what goes on in this forum. To be fair I should say what WENT on, since I haven't been following very closely for some time.

If your objective in returning here is to be super-critical of the conversation, then your presence is a detriment to the board.  If you want to chat with us, then you should have a more neutral POV.

This site has lasted for over 6 years now.  How long did you keep "Picturing Christ" running?  I don't think you even made it a whole year.  You hardly have a right to be super critical here.

RE

I was replying to questions from GO and  Surly about my absence. If you find honest answers to sincere questions to be a detriment, then let’s just add that to the list of problems here.

I never said it’s easy to keep a blog going. Bad ROI. It’s a big investment for little return.
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: RE on February 25, 2018, 04:56:38 AM
I didn't think I was being subtle... I am definitely intending to be super critical of what goes on in this forum. To be fair I should say what WENT on, since I haven't been following very closely for some time.

If your objective in returning here is to be super-critical of the conversation, then your presence is a detriment to the board.  If you want to chat with us, then you should have a more neutral POV.

This site has lasted for over 6 years now.  How long did you keep "Picturing Christ" running?  I don't think you even made it a whole year.  You hardly have a right to be super critical here.

RE

I was replying to questions from GO and  Surly about my absence. If you find honest answers to sincere questions to be a detriment, then let’s just add that to the list of problems here.

They're not honest answers.  They're deliberate attempts to undermine the forum.  If you don't think our conversations are worthwhile, then WTF are you wasting your time here again? ???   :icon_scratch:

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I never said it’s easy to keep a blog going. Bad ROI. It’s a big investment for little return.

It has a HUGE ROI.  You make great friends.  :icon_sunny:

RE

Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: Surly1 on February 25, 2018, 05:20:09 AM

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I never said it’s easy to keep a blog going. Bad ROI. It’s a big investment for little return.

It has a HUGE ROI.  You make great friends.  :icon_sunny:

RE

NO ONE would possibly run a site like this, or for that matter most any website not a retail site as a business proposition. The DD is a labor of love/a personal obsession of RE, likely both.

Am still glad there are places in the world beyond the reach of the logic and morality of the spreadsheet.
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: Ashvin on February 25, 2018, 11:20:30 AM
I didn't think I was being subtle... I am definitely intending to be super critical of what goes on in this forum. To be fair I should say what WENT on, since I haven't been following very closely for some time.

If your objective in returning here is to be super-critical of the conversation, then your presence is a detriment to the board.  If you want to chat with us, then you should have a more neutral POV.

This site has lasted for over 6 years now.  How long did you keep "Picturing Christ" running?  I don't think you even made it a whole year.  You hardly have a right to be super critical here.

RE

I was replying to questions from GO and  Surly about my absence. If you find honest answers to sincere questions to be a detriment, then let’s just add that to the list of problems here.

They're not honest answers.  They're deliberate attempts to undermine the forum.  If you don't think our conversations are worthwhile, then WTF are you wasting your time here again? ???   :icon_scratch:

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I never said it’s easy to keep a blog going. Bad ROI. It’s a big investment for little return.

It has a HUGE ROI.  You make great friends.  :icon_sunny:

RE

What kind of answer do you expect from the question of why someone doesn’t participate in the forum anymore? Naturally it’s going it be one that is critical
of the forum. And I’m not the only one who stopped, but I can only speak for myself.

I’m not criticizing the idea or structure of the forum, but much of the content on the forum and the mindsets which product that content. This isn’t the first time. A conversation about whether certain conversations are worthwhile is always worthwhile.

As for exhausting philosophy and theology here,
I don’t think we have even come close.
Most of the debates ended up rehashing the same arguments endlessly without moving on to other ones.
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: RE on February 25, 2018, 12:39:53 PM
As for exhausting philosophy and theology here,
I don’t think we have even come close.
Most of the debates ended up rehashing the same arguments endlessly without moving on to other ones.

Feel free to start a new uncovered philosophical or theological topic of your choice.  If it interests the Diners, I'm sure someone will chip in their 2 cents.

RE
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: Eddie on February 25, 2018, 01:04:58 PM
Please, no.
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: RE on February 25, 2018, 01:32:16 PM
Please, no.

ROFLMAOPIMP.  🤣

RE
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: azozeo on February 25, 2018, 01:37:24 PM
As for exhausting philosophy and theology here,
I don’t think we have even come close.
Most of the debates ended up rehashing the same arguments endlessly without moving on to other ones.

Feel free to start a new uncovered philosophical or theological topic of your choice.  If it interests the Diners, I'm sure someone will chip in their 2 cents.

RE



mmmmmmmmmmmmmm

fresh chum for the shark tank......
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: RE on February 25, 2018, 01:56:30 PM
As for exhausting philosophy and theology here,
I don’t think we have even come close.
Most of the debates ended up rehashing the same arguments endlessly without moving on to other ones.

Feel free to start a new uncovered philosophical or theological topic of your choice.  If it interests the Diners, I'm sure someone will chip in their 2 cents.

RE

mmmmmmmmmmmmmm

fresh chum for the shark tank......

(https://i.pinimg.com/564x/c1/3e/2a/c13e2a8895d80ad610cea6d3fb71979d--evan-crochet.jpg)

We do NOT need a Bigger Boat for this one.  In the world of Philosophy & Theology, Watson is a Dwarf Lantern Shark.  ;D

(https://fomfest.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/smallest-shark-Bristly-Catshark.jpg)

RE
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: RE on February 25, 2018, 03:00:50 PM

NO ONE would possibly run a site like this, or for that matter most any website not a retail site as a business proposition. The DD is a labor of love/a personal obsession of RE, likely both.

Am still glad there are places in the world beyond the reach of the logic and morality of the spreadsheet.

Hear Here! :icon_sunny:

This sure isn't about Making Money! 🤑 It's not as big a money sink as a boat, but it's close. lol.  :D

RE
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: Eddie on February 25, 2018, 03:29:37 PM
I keep writing comments and then erasing them. I'm just going to abandon this thread and try not to think about it. Best I keep my mouth shut. Will.Not.Add.Fuel.
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: RE on February 25, 2018, 03:35:22 PM
I keep writing comments and then erasing them. I'm just going to abandon this thread and try not to think about it. Best I keep my mouth shut. Will.Not.Add.Fuel.

Oh come on.  How can you sit this one out?  ???  :icon_scratch:

RE
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: Surly1 on February 25, 2018, 03:55:45 PM
I keep writing comments and then erasing them. I'm just going to abandon this thread and try not to think about it. Best I keep my mouth shut. Will.Not.Add.Fuel.

Oh come on.  How can you sit this one out?  ???  :icon_scratch:

RE

Yeah, Eddie. In for a penny...
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: Eddie on February 25, 2018, 04:04:40 PM
Erased another one. That makes five or six. Nah. Some things are better left unsaid.
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: Ashvin on February 25, 2018, 07:03:14 PM

NO ONE would possibly run a site like this, or for that matter most any website not a retail site as a business proposition. The DD is a labor of love/a personal obsession of RE, likely both.

Am still glad there are places in the world beyond the reach of the logic and morality of the spreadsheet.

Hear Here! :icon_sunny:

This sure isn't about Making Money! 🤑 It's not as big a money sink as a boat, but it's close. lol.  :D

RE

True, It’s not about making money, just helping other people lose it 😮

Personally, I feel real bad about anyone who pulled out investments based on anything I wrote in 2010.
At the very least, the timing of a market collapse was way off.
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: RE on February 25, 2018, 10:35:19 PM

NO ONE would possibly run a site like this, or for that matter most any website not a retail site as a business proposition. The DD is a labor of love/a personal obsession of RE, likely both.

Am still glad there are places in the world beyond the reach of the logic and morality of the spreadsheet.

Hear Here! :icon_sunny:

This sure isn't about Making Money! 🤑 It's not as big a money sink as a boat, but it's close. lol.  :D

RE

True, It’s not about making money, just helping other people lose it 😮

Personally, I feel real bad about anyone who pulled out investments based on anything I wrote in 2010.
At the very least, the timing of a market collapse was way off.

You're a liar.  This website is not an investment advice website.  We don't help anyone "lose money".

A few of us have our pet investments.  GO invests in Gold.  Eddie invests in Pot.  Roamer invested in Bitcoin. I invested in retail (Kohl's).  Anytime we talk about our investments it's always with the caveat that these are just our own opinions and gambles.  Nobody on the Diner listens to any of the advice of others  anyhow.  In fact the surest way to get someone NOT to do something is to advocate for it! lol.

Stop trying to deprecate the forum.  If you want to participate in good faith, fine.  If you are just here to troll and make a nuisance of yourself, you are not welcome.

RE
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: g on February 26, 2018, 04:04:56 AM

NO ONE would possibly run a site like this, or for that matter most any website not a retail site as a business proposition. The DD is a labor of love/a personal obsession of RE, likely both.

Am still glad there are places in the world beyond the reach of the logic and morality of the spreadsheet.

Hear Here! :icon_sunny:

This sure isn't about Making Money! 🤑 It's not as big a money sink as a boat, but it's close. lol.  :D

RE

True, It’s not about making money, just helping other people lose it 😮

Personally, I feel real bad about anyone who pulled out investments based on anything I wrote in 2010.
At the very least, the timing of a market collapse was way off.

You're a liar.  This website is not an investment advice website.  We don't help anyone "lose money".

A few of us have our pet investments.  GO invests in Gold.  Eddie invests in Pot.  Roamer invested in Bitcoin. I invested in retail (Kohl's).  Anytime we talk about our investments it's always with the caveat that these are just our own opinions and gambles.  Nobody on the Diner listens to any of the advice of others  anyhow.  In fact the surest way to get someone NOT to do something is to advocate for it! lol.

Stop trying to deprecate the forum.  If you want to participate in good faith, fine.  If you are just here to troll and make a nuisance of yourself, you are not welcome.

RE

Would only like to butt in for a moment to decry the insinuation of troll or trolling being used in regard to such an esteemed Diner as Ashvin. It is so remote a word from his character and decorum in my opinion that I'm forced to object.
Please don't get me wrong, free speech advocate here. Carry on and call each other what you like. Merely commenting on what appears to me a gross exaggeration  on this interesting thread. Regards, GO
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: g on February 26, 2018, 04:39:27 AM

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I never said it’s easy to keep a blog going. Bad ROI. It’s a big investment for little return.

It has a HUGE ROI.  You make great friends.  :icon_sunny:

RE

NO ONE would possibly run a site like this, or for that matter most any website not a retail site as a business proposition. The DD is a labor of love/a personal obsession of RE, likely both.

Am still glad there are places in the world beyond the reach of the logic and morality of the spreadsheet.

This is most certainly true and worthy of praise and recognition.

Mammon is present and forever in your face at the other sites of this ilk.

Be it The Automatic Earth, The Burning Platform, Greer touting his books, James Kunstler as well, all of them. I am not criticizing them, we all have to put bread on the table, but facts are facts.

A truly commendable point that has been taken for granted.

                                 (https://venturebeat.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/banner-ads.jpg?fit=930%2C523&strip=all)

                                           :-\ :-\ :-\ :emthdown:
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: RE on February 26, 2018, 07:42:26 AM
Would only like to butt in for a moment to decry the insinuation of troll or trolling being used in regard to such an esteemed Diner as Ashvin. It is so remote a word from his character and decorum in my opinion that I'm forced to object.
Please don't get me wrong, free speech advocate here. Carry on and call each other what you like. Merely commenting on what appears to me a gross exaggeration  on this interesting thread. Regards, GO

Your opinion has been Duly Noted & Filed

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RE
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: g on February 26, 2018, 08:02:08 AM
Would only like to butt in for a moment to decry the insinuation of troll or trolling being used in regard to such an esteemed Diner as Ashvin. It is so remote a word from his character and decorum in my opinion that I'm forced to object.
Please don't get me wrong, free speech advocate here. Carry on and call each other what you like. http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/forum/index.php?action=post;topic=10621.141;quote=148013Merely (http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/forum/index.php?action=post;topic=10621.141;quote=148013Merely) commenting on what appears to me a gross exaggeration  on this interesting thread. Regards, GO

Your opinion has been Duly Noted & Filed

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RE

Thanks, appreciated and exactly what was expected.
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: RE on February 26, 2018, 08:18:06 AM
Would only like to butt in for a moment to decry the insinuation of troll or trolling being used in regard to such an esteemed Diner as Ashvin. It is so remote a word from his character and decorum in my opinion that I'm forced to object.
Please don't get me wrong, free speech advocate here. Carry on and call each other what you like. http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/forum/index.php?action=post;topic=10621.141;quote=148013Merely (http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/forum/index.php?action=post;topic=10621.141;quote=148013Merely) commenting on what appears to me a gross exaggeration  on this interesting thread. Regards, GO

Your opinion has been Duly Noted & Filed

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RE

Thanks, appreciated and exactly what was expected.

You're :hi:.  We aim to meet the expectations of the readers here on the Diner with our high quality assessments of posting value.  :icon_sunny:

RE
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: Surly1 on February 26, 2018, 12:47:03 PM
Would only like to butt in for a moment to decry the insinuation of troll or trolling being used in regard to such an esteemed Diner as Ashvin. It is so remote a word from his character and decorum in my opinion that I'm forced to object.
Please don't get me wrong, free speech advocate here. Carry on and call each other what you like. http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/forum/index.php?action=post;topic=10621.141;quote=148013Merely (http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/forum/index.php?action=post;topic=10621.141;quote=148013Merely) commenting on what appears to me a gross exaggeration  on this interesting thread. Regards, GO

Your opinion has been Duly Noted & Filed

(http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/trash.gif)

RE

Thanks, appreciated and exactly what was expected.

You're :hi:.  We aim to meet the expectations of the readers here on the Diner with our high quality assessments of posting value.  :icon_sunny:

RE

Stop this shit.

I disagree with GO all the time (about politics), but think he brings a lot to the table; as with Ashvin, I would rather have him inside the tent pissing out than outside the tent pissing in. Both of these worthies can also offer remarkable insight in their areas of expertise.

Perhaps if you were in better health, you'd be in a better frame of mind. I exhort you to relax a little, and remember the Golden days of the Diner Forum before trollery and moderation. Not everybody has to respect or even agree with every opinion you manage to squeeze out.

Few know that better than me.

I remember a story attributed to Robert E. Lee:

Quote
“General Robert E. Lee once spoke to the president of the Confederacy, Jefferson Davis, in the most glowing terms about a certain officer under his command. Another officer in attendance was astonished. ‘General,’ he said, ‘do you not know that the man of whom you speak so highly is one of your bitterest enemies who misses no opportunity to malign you?’ ‘Yes,’ replied General Lee, ‘but the president asked my opinion of him; he did not ask for his opinion of me.’”

Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: RE on February 26, 2018, 04:36:00 PM
I would rather have him inside the tent pissing out than outside the tent pissing in.

I'm not a fan of people pissing on the Diner either from outside or inside.  If you need to take a leak, go do it on JHKs blog or Dmitrys.

RE
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: g on February 26, 2018, 04:44:18 PM
I would rather have him inside the tent pissing out than outside the tent pissing in.

I'm not a fan of people pissing on the Diner either from outside or inside.  If you need to take a leak, go do it on JHKs blog or Dmitrys.

RE

criticism, explaining an absence, expressing honest feelings, and pissing are very different words.
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: RE on February 26, 2018, 04:49:54 PM
I would rather have him inside the tent pissing out than outside the tent pissing in.

I'm not a fan of people pissing on the Diner either from outside or inside.  If you need to take a leak, go do it on JHKs blog or Dmitrys.

RE

criticism, explaining an absence, expressing honest feelings, and pissing are very different words.

Surly was using a metaphor.

RE
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: g on March 05, 2018, 03:19:38 PM

NO ONE would possibly run a site like this, or for that matter most any website not a retail site as a business proposition. The DD is a labor of love/a personal obsession of RE, likely both.

Am still glad there are places in the world beyond the reach of the logic and morality of the spreadsheet.

Hear Here! :icon_sunny:

This sure isn't about Making Money! 🤑 It's not as big a money sink as a boat, but it's close. lol.  :D

RE

True, It’s not about making money, just helping other people lose it 😮

Personally, I feel real bad about anyone who pulled out investments based on anything I wrote in 2010.
At the very least, the timing of a market collapse was way off.

You're a liar.  This website is not an investment advice website.  We don't help anyone "lose money".

A few of us have our pet investments.  GO invests in Gold.  Eddie invests in Pot.  Roamer invested in Bitcoin. I invested in retail (Kohl's).  Anytime we talk about our investments it's always with the caveat that these are just our own opinions and gambles.  Nobody on the Diner listens to any of the advice of others  anyhow.  In fact the surest way to get someone NOT to do something is to advocate for it! lol.

Stop trying to deprecate the forum.  If you want to participate in good faith, fine.  If you are just here to troll and make a nuisance of yourself, you are not welcome.

RE

This is the most disingenuous thing you have ever posted, and that's saying something...

You should OWN UP to your own shortcomings re: collapse predictions. I have. Don't try to write it off as "it's just our opinions and no one listens to them anyway".

I can use disclaimers when making one or two comments to people on legal topics, but if I tried that shit after doling out years of legal advice and "opinions" to people, telling them how utterly f*cked they will be if they don't follow my advice, the Bar would have my ass in a heartbeat.

I'm not saying you don't have the right to do it, but you should at least have the dignity to acknowledge what you intended to communicate to people when you started this forum. Don't try to rewrite that recent history and expect anyone not to notice.

Ashvin, your opinions were given honestly and sincerely with no intention of harm to others, quite the opposite.
 
Even in cases were you may have been wrong your insights and reasons for thinking the way you did at the time were always explained, reasonable, instructive and in and of themselves were helpful.

You have no reason to feel bad , but I do understand the feeling of feeling bad for being wrong when your trying to be helpful. Put it in the past, chalk it up to learning, and continue voicing honest sincere opinions.  Sincerity and honesty are more important than an accurate prediction.

Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: RE on March 05, 2018, 04:04:12 PM

Ashvin, your opinions were given honestly and sincerely with no intention of harm to others, quite the opposite.
 
Even in cases were you may have been wrong your insights and reasons for thinking the way you did at the time were always explained, reasonable, instructive and in and of themselves were helpful.

You have no reason to feel bad , but I do understand the feeling of feeling bad for being wrong when your trying to be helpful. Put it in the past, chalk it up to learning, and continue voicing honest sincere opinions.  Sincerity and honesty are more important than an accurate prediction.

Watson's only purpose in returning here is to be critical of the Diner and of me.  He hasn't contributed a single post to the topic of collapse in any post since he showed up again yet.  I look forward to a post on a collapse topic rather than his personal hatred of me.

RE
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: g on March 05, 2018, 09:47:54 PM

Ashvin, your opinions were given honestly and sincerely with no intention of harm to others, quite the opposite.
 
Even in cases were you may have been wrong your insights and reasons for thinking the way you did at the time were always explained, reasonable, instructive and in and of themselves were helpful.

You have no reason to feel bad , but I do understand the feeling of feeling bad for being wrong when your trying to be helpful. Put it in the past, chalk it up to learning, and continue voicing honest sincere opinions.  Sincerity and honesty are more important than an accurate prediction.

Watson's only purpose in returning here is to be critical of the Diner and of me.  He hasn't contributed a single post to the topic of collapse in any post since he showed up again yet.  I look forward to a post on a collapse topic rather than his personal hatred of me.

RE

I was referring to a posting he made earlier on about feeling bad about the advice he had given over the years being wrong.

As to his personal hatred of you, Baloney. Ashvin is a man who doesn't hate, he more likely gets dismayed or disgusted. His love of Jesus and obvious devotion to his teachings and trying to live according to his teachings, makes your accusation  and use of the word hatred as false as your calling him a troll.

He said he has been busy. No longer posts regular on collapse blogs. Analyzed the situation and said he had accomplished nothing, wasted his time, and felt bad for the advice he had given that was wrong.

As always, legitimate criticism and honest voicing of a different opinion sets you off into a ranting tizzy.

Ashvin is not a troll, and did not make an appearance here because of his hatred for you and to ridicule the Diner. He is simply not that kind of a person. 
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: RE on March 06, 2018, 01:12:11 AM
Ashvin is a man who doesn't hate

Watson's hatred positively jumps off the page.  If he contributes meaningfully to collapse topics, he is :hi: .  If he only shows up to disparage me and the Diner, he is not :hi: .

RE
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: g on March 07, 2018, 05:26:55 PM
I just noticed that Ashvin was logged on. Clicked on his name to see if he had posted anything while I was away and noticed he has been treated like a troll and given the status of Contrarian.

I am begging the powers that be on this forum to show some decency and remove this stigma immediately from this esteemed member. It's a disgrace and you all know it.        GO
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: RE on March 07, 2018, 05:32:27 PM
I just noticed that Ashvin was logged on. Clicked on his name to see if he had posted anything while I was away and noticed he has been treated like a troll and given the status of Contrarian.

I am begging the powers that be on this forum to show some decency and remove this stigma immediately from this esteemed member. It's a disgrace and you all know it.        GO

When he starts posting to topic instead of deprecating the Diner and insulting me, the "stigma" will be removed.  Until that time, he will be moderated.

RE
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: Ashvin on March 07, 2018, 06:51:08 PM
I just noticed that Ashvin was logged on. Clicked on his name to see if he had posted anything while I was away and noticed he has been treated like a troll and given the status of Contrarian.

I am begging the powers that be on this forum to show some decency and remove this stigma immediately from this esteemed member. It's a disgrace and you all know it.        GO

When he starts posting to topic instead of deprecating the Diner and insulting me, the "stigma" will be removed.  Until that time, he will be moderated.

RE

What is the topic of this thread? Do you even know? And how have my comments been off topic?

More imprtantly, who the hell wants to waste time on a forum where the show runner can’t stand any criticism
and would rather squash dissent than face hard truths?

I was not being unreasonable or vitriolic. None of arguments were unwarranted. If this is what happens with any sleight of REs collapse “reputation”, then this place is a huge joke not worthy of any serious minds.

Sorry GO, but looks like I’m done with this place for another 6 months or so. Don’t worry though, because despite the panic driven TEOTWAWKI posts RE will drop every hint of a market correction, nothing much will have changed by the time I’m back.
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: RE on March 07, 2018, 08:20:51 PM
I just noticed that Ashvin was logged on. Clicked on his name to see if he had posted anything while I was away and noticed he has been treated like a troll and given the status of Contrarian.

I am begging the powers that be on this forum to show some decency and remove this stigma immediately from this esteemed member. It's a disgrace and you all know it.        GO

When he starts posting to topic instead of deprecating the Diner and insulting me, the "stigma" will be removed.  Until that time, he will be moderated.

RE

What is the topic of this thread?

The topic is nominations for people who would make a good President of the World.

RE
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: Surly1 on March 08, 2018, 03:21:33 AM
I just noticed that Ashvin was logged on. Clicked on his name to see if he had posted anything while I was away and noticed he has been treated like a troll and given the status of Contrarian.

I am begging the powers that be on this forum to show some decency and remove this stigma immediately from this esteemed member. It's a disgrace and you all know it.        GO

When he starts posting to topic instead of deprecating the Diner and insulting me, the "stigma" will be removed.  Until that time, he will be moderated.

RE

What is the topic of this thread? Do you even know? And how have my comments been off topic?

More imprtantly, who the hell wants to waste time on a forum where the show runner can’t stand any criticism
and would rather squash dissent than face hard truths?

I was not being unreasonable or vitriolic. None of arguments were unwarranted. If this is what happens with any sleight of REs collapse “reputation”, then this place is a huge joke not worthy of any serious minds.

Sorry GO, but looks like I’m done with this place for another 6 months or so. Don’t worry though, because despite the panic driven TEOTWAWKI posts RE will drop every hint of a market correction, nothing much will have changed by the time I’m back.

Ashvin asks excellent questions. You need to provide an excellent answer. So far your answer has been "my ball, my game." For someone who was once the champion of untrammeled free speech, you have become remarkably thin-skinned. And yes, I know that was pre-King and moderation. I was there. Perhaps your crankiness is a function of your health; I  don't know, and I'm not your shrink.

I need to remind you that every criticism is not a condemnation. I offer my own body of work as some evidence. I would urge you to be more magnanimous. At the end of the day, it IS your ball and your game, and you can do whatever the hell you want. The only thing that will vary is ow many people you do it with.

Every day, as I take stories and links from this Forum to push out on the FB page, I am reminded that this place is a magnet and a light in the darkness for a small gaggle of extremely bright people from different perspectives, who daily share those perspectives via news stories. Really a lot of collective intelligence here.

Don't fuck it up.
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: RE on March 08, 2018, 03:34:59 AM
I just noticed that Ashvin was logged on. Clicked on his name to see if he had posted anything while I was away and noticed he has been treated like a troll and given the status of Contrarian.

I am begging the powers that be on this forum to show some decency and remove this stigma immediately from this esteemed member. It's a disgrace and you all know it.        GO

When he starts posting to topic instead of deprecating the Diner and insulting me, the "stigma" will be removed.  Until that time, he will be moderated.

RE

What is the topic of this thread? Do you even know? And how have my comments been off topic?

More imprtantly, who the hell wants to waste time on a forum where the show runner can’t stand any criticism
and would rather squash dissent than face hard truths?

I was not being unreasonable or vitriolic. None of arguments were unwarranted. If this is what happens with any sleight of REs collapse “reputation”, then this place is a huge joke not worthy of any serious minds.

Sorry GO, but looks like I’m done with this place for another 6 months or so. Don’t worry though, because despite the panic driven TEOTWAWKI posts RE will drop every hint of a market correction, nothing much will have changed by the time I’m back.

Ashvin asks excellent questions. You need to provide an excellent answer. So far your answer has been "my ball, my game." For someone who was once the champion of untrammeled free speech, you have become remarkably thin-skinned. And yes, I know that was pre-King and moderation. I was there. Perhaps your crankiness is a function of your health; I  don't know, and I'm not your shrink.

I need to remind you that every criticism is not a condemnation. I offer my own body of work as some evidence. I would urge you to be more magnanimous. At the end of the day, it IS your ball and your game, and you can do whatever the hell you want. The only thing that will vary is ow many people you do it with.

Every day, as I take stories and links from this Forum to push out on the FB page, I am reminded that this place is a magnet and a light in the darkness for a small gaggle of extremely bright people from different perspectives, who daily share those perspectives via news stories. Really a lot of collective intelligence here.

Don't fuck it up.

As I said, when Watson starts contributing meaningfully to subjects of collapse rather than simply showing up periodically to criticize me and deprecate the Diner, he will be :hi: .  Really, do you think he drops in over at Automatic Earth commentary to tell Roel and Nicole how foolish they are and how they should apologize for being WRONG (which they are not)?  No, he just does that here because he hates my guts.  Roel would ban him in a nano-second.  I tolerate him, but I won't have him constantly dropping in just to tell me he thinks I'm an idiot.

RE
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: g on March 08, 2018, 03:44:21 AM
I just noticed that Ashvin was logged on. Clicked on his name to see if he had posted anything while I was away and noticed he has been treated like a troll and given the status of Contrarian.

I am begging the powers that be on this forum to show some decency and remove this stigma immediately from this esteemed member. It's a disgrace and you all know it.        GO

When he starts posting to topic instead of deprecating the Diner and insulting me, the "stigma" will be removed.  Until that time, he will be moderated.

RE

What is the topic of this thread? Do you even know? And how have my comments been off topic?

More imprtantly, who the hell wants to waste time on a forum where the show runner can’t stand any criticism
and would rather squash dissent than face hard truths?

I was not being unreasonable or vitriolic. None of arguments were unwarranted. If this is what happens with any sleight of REs collapse “reputation”, then this place is a huge joke not worthy of any serious minds.

Sorry GO, but looks like I’m done with this place for another 6 months or so. Don’t worry though, because despite the panic driven TEOTWAWKI posts RE will drop every hint of a market correction, nothing much will have changed by the time I’m back.

Understood Ashvin. Please allow me to apologize for the dastardly treatment you have received upon your return. 

It was a pleasure to hear from you again and know that all is well with you. :emthup: :icon_sunny:    Regards, GO
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: RE on March 08, 2018, 03:58:46 AM
Understood Ashvin. Please allow me to apologize for the dastardly treatment you have received upon your return. 

It's "dastardly" to expect a poster to post to topic rather than show up simply to insult the owner of the website and the website itself?  ???  :icon_scratch:  How long do you think Kunstler or Orlov or Ilargi would tolerate that? ???  :icon_scratch:

Anytime Watson wishes to drop on a thread about a collapse topic he is :hi: to do so.  Dropping in here to poach at me once or twice a week is not :hi:.

RE
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: g on March 08, 2018, 04:16:56 AM
Understood Ashvin. Please allow me to apologize for the dastardly treatment you have received upon your return. 

It's "dastardly" to expect a poster to post to topic rather than show up simply to insult the owner of the website and the website itself?  ???  :icon_scratch:  How long do you think Kunstler or Orlov or Ilargi would tolerate that? ???  :icon_scratch:

Anytime Watson wishes to drop on a thread about a collapse topic he is :hi: to do so.  Dropping in here to poach at me once or twice a week is not :hi:.

RE

If you were dealing with someone having the type of decorum of Karpatok or an MKing, your explanation would at least be partially understandable, where the topic is Ashvin, your answer has no credibility, at  least with me. 

I am going to leave this thread after a reply to Surly which I was working on, as censorship of this kind
makes me lose completely my temper and always end up in a nasty, bitter, vile exchange which no doubt will get me banned yet another time.                              Thanks for your reply, GO
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: RE on March 08, 2018, 04:22:07 AM
If you were dealing with someone having the type of decorum of Karpatok or an MKing, your explanation would at least be partially understandable, where the topic is Ashvin, your answer has no credibility, at  least with me. 

With the exception of being smarter than the rest mentioned, Watson is no different.  He is just trying to sow seeds of dissention and destroy the board.  He is not interested in collapse topics at all anymore.

RE
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: g on March 08, 2018, 04:22:24 AM
I just noticed that Ashvin was logged on. Clicked on his name to see if he had posted anything while I was away and noticed he has been treated like a troll and given the status of Contrarian.

I am begging the powers that be on this forum to show some decency and remove this stigma immediately from this esteemed member. It's a disgrace and you all know it.        GO

When he starts posting to topic instead of deprecating the Diner and insulting me, the "stigma" will be removed.  Until that time, he will be moderated.

RE

What is the topic of this thread? Do you even know? And how have my comments been off topic?

More imprtantly, who the hell wants to waste time on a forum where the show runner can’t stand any criticism
and would rather squash dissent than face hard truths?

I was not being unreasonable or vitriolic. None of arguments were unwarranted. If this is what happens with any sleight of REs collapse “reputation”, then this place is a huge joke not worthy of any serious minds.

Sorry GO, but looks like I’m done with this place for another 6 months or so. Don’t worry though, because despite the panic driven TEOTWAWKI posts RE will drop every hint of a market correction, nothing much will have changed by the time I’m back.

Ashvin asks excellent questions. You need to provide an excellent answer. So far your answer has been "my ball, my game." For someone who was once the champion of untrammeled free speech, you have become remarkably thin-skinned. And yes, I know that was pre-King and moderation. I was there. Perhaps your crankiness is a function of your health; I  don't know, and I'm not your shrink.

I need to remind you that every criticism is not a condemnation. I offer my own body of work as some evidence. I would urge you to be more magnanimous. At the end of the day, it IS your ball and your game, and you can do whatever the hell you want. The only thing that will vary is ow many people you do it with.

Every day, as I take stories and links from this Forum to push out on the FB page, I am reminded that this place is a magnet and a light in the darkness for a small gaggle of extremely bright people from different perspectives, who daily share those perspectives via news stories. Really a lot of collective intelligence here.

Don't fuck it up.

A million Thank You's Surly for voicing your opinion.

My first thought as well, since it was Ashvin being humiliated, was ill health, it seemed the only plausible explanation.

Upon rethinking and rereading what transpired, find myself now in the  "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely" camp in this matter of Ashvin. :-\  Thanks again, GO
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: RE on March 08, 2018, 04:23:55 AM
My first thought as well, since it was Ashvin being humiliated

Watson has not been "humiliated".  He has been requested to post on the topic of collapse.  Please read for comprehension.

RE
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: Surly1 on March 08, 2018, 10:20:06 AM
If you were dealing with someone having the type of decorum of Karpatok or an MKing, your explanation would at least be partially understandable, where the topic is Ashvin, your answer has no credibility, at  least with me. 

With the exception of being smarter than the rest mentioned, Watson is no different.  He is just trying to sow seeds of dissention and destroy the board.  He is not interested in collapse topics at all anymore.

RE

Geez, RE, Palloy made the same argument to you last week. We post on all matter of things, some of them tangentially related to collapse, others not at all. Wanna sandwich? Oysters on crackers? lasagna?

Actually, I LOVE those posts. Also the cartoons, and the bits of culture, and observations of beauty or achievement that each of us snatches on our trip down the energy drain. Which is why I cherish the contributions of all who post here. Whatta bunch of lunatics!

I'm just suggesting to chill the fuck out. Life is too short, and we have ALL bought a ticket out.
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: agelbert on March 08, 2018, 10:53:50 AM
Voting now OPEN 😇 on the Diner for President 🦖 of the World (POTW) (or for anybody else for any other position of authority in a 100% undemocratic 🦀, fascist :evil4: world):

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Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: Ashvin on March 08, 2018, 12:38:31 PM
I just noticed that Ashvin was logged on. Clicked on his name to see if he had posted anything while I was away and noticed he has been treated like a troll and given the status of Contrarian.

I am begging the powers that be on this forum to show some decency and remove this stigma immediately from this esteemed member. It's a disgrace and you all know it.        GO

When he starts posting to topic instead of deprecating the Diner and insulting me, the "stigma" will be removed.  Until that time, he will be moderated.

RE

What is the topic of this thread?

The topic is nominations for people who would make a good President of the World.

RE

Answering questions about my reasons for not participating much in this forum was on topic then. I was a nominee for the position after all   :o  How could I not?

Criticisms of collapse narratives are also relevant to the topic of collapse. How could they not be??

A specific criticism mentioned was that many here, including myself, have been predicting a market collapse, run on the banks, hyperdeflation or hyperinflation, peak oil and the resulting effects on the industrial economy, etc. We have been doing it consistently for many years now. Although we may not have put a specific date on these events, we have frequently acted like the probability of it happening in the next 2,3,4,5 years is very high (that was 8 years ago). So we were wrong, plain and simple.

As you can see, everything here is on topic and nothing is about my "hatred" for you personally or about destroying the Diner. As Surly mentioned, even if that was my goal, I wouldn't need to do anything but sit back and let you do your thing.
Title: Re: Voting now OPEN on the Diner for President of the World (POTW)
Post by: RE on March 08, 2018, 01:36:45 PM
As you can see, everything here is on topic

Too much topic drift and besides it's been beaten to death.  The topic is now locked.

Why don't you go drop in on the commentariat at TAE and tell Nicole and Roel how wrong they were?

RE