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Title: 🧀 Cheesosaurus - The Cheese Lover's Thread
Post by: AJ on January 02, 2019, 04:52:30 AM
I totally agree about Mcstinksion.  He irrationally cultivates the worst possible scenario so he can say nothing matters and anything goes.  Mcstinksion is an extreme, but we all try to mold the world into what fits for us.

I came across McPherson about 5 years ago and read all his books. Very depressing time until I found a web site that took him apart for cherry picking the science. So, I kinda dismissed him.
HOWEVER, recently I started watching Paul Beckwith videos (another climate scientist). Both Beckwith and now Albert Bates, David Suzuki, David Attenborough, and many others are talking about NTHE. So, the data appear to be piling up in favor of McPherson. He might be the most extreme (collapse of  agriculture and the ecosphere by the end of this year), but Beckwith is now saying that when we have a Blue Ocean event in the Arctic it's all rapidly downhill from there.
As to partying like it's 1999 . . . I'm not sure it's relevant to the old (like myself, RE and Eddie). I partied a lot when I was very young, now I get hangovers way to easy. My kids, that are collapse aware, figure they have 10 years of life left at the most and intend on enjoying some of it. Can't say I blame them.
As to you meat eaters,  :evil4:
Been a vegetarian for 40 years, don't miss the meat at all. NOW if I had to give up cheese :emthup: . . . I'd probably die.
AJ
Title: Re: Re: Niall Ferguson On The Intellectual Dark Web
Post by: RE on January 02, 2019, 06:38:44 AM
Been a vegetarian for 40 years, don't miss the meat at all. NOW if I had to give up cheese :emthup: . . . I'd probably die.
AJ

I will start a new Reddit sub, r/cheeseosaurus.  ;D

(https://c8.alamy.com/comp/AE1BXP/england-food-specialist-cheese-delicatessen-shop-with-man-behind-counter-AE1BXP.jpg)

So what's your favorite cheese?

RE

Title: Re: Re: Niall Ferguson On The Intellectual Dark Web
Post by: AJ on January 02, 2019, 11:58:49 AM
Been a vegetarian for 40 years, don't miss the meat at all. NOW if I had to give up cheese :emthup: . . . I'd probably die.
AJ

I will start a new Reddit sub, r/cheeseosaurus.  ;D

(https://c8.alamy.com/comp/AE1BXP/england-food-specialist-cheese-delicatessen-shop-with-man-behind-counter-AE1BXP.jpg)


So what's your favorite cheese?

RE
Wow, that's a hard one :icon_scratch:
I love Brie, but anything with a reasonably strong flavor is good: Very sharp Cheddar, real Swiss (not the stuff in most grocery stores), most goat milk cheeses, Provolone, etc.  The problem is what to put in my preps. Without cows or goats the future is bleak. Not many cheeses that have a shelf life of years  :-[
AJ
Title: Re: Re: Niall Ferguson On The Intellectual Dark Web
Post by: RE on January 02, 2019, 06:38:39 PM
Been a vegetarian for 40 years, don't miss the meat at all. NOW if I had to give up cheese :emthup: . . . I'd probably die.
AJ

I will start a new Reddit sub, r/cheeseosaurus.  ;D

(https://c8.alamy.com/comp/AE1BXP/england-food-specialist-cheese-delicatessen-shop-with-man-behind-counter-AE1BXP.jpg)


So what's your favorite cheese?

RE
Wow, that's a hard one :icon_scratch:
I love Brie, but anything with a reasonably strong flavor is good: Very sharp Cheddar, real Swiss (not the stuff in most grocery stores), most goat milk cheeses, Provolone, etc.  The problem is what to put in my preps. Without cows or goats the future is bleak. Not many cheeses that have a shelf life of years  :-[
AJ

This cheese keeps forever, and it gets good reviews. Glad you mentioned cheese. I should add a few more cases.

(https://pleasanthillgrain.com/media/catalog/product/optimized/3/3/33338a72e9752c52fff1e350e25cc251/g_r_canned_cheddar_bega_cheese_797.jpg)

Pleasant Hill Grains is a good source for preps and also kitchen gadgets of all kinds. They are experts in survival nutrition.  Worth reading what they consider essential, even if you buy from someone else.

This is really off-topic shit.  I am going to have to split this thread.

RE
Title: Re: 🧀 Cheesosaurus - The Cheese Lover's Thread
Post by: RE on January 02, 2019, 06:51:06 PM
Say Cheese!  ;D

Cheese now has its own thread in the Diner Pantry.  :icon_sunny:  Cheeseheads Delight!

(https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/11/f3/56/78/photo0jpg.jpg)

RE
Title: 🧀 Cheesosaurus - How to Make Double Brie Cheese at Home
Post by: RE on January 03, 2019, 03:18:26 AM
Say Cheese!  ;D

Doesn't look hard (never did it myself though), but it does look tedious.  Also, he relies on a lot of Industrial Civilization materials and devices for this operation.

http://www.youtube.com/v/06m_ib-tYy8

RE
Title: Re: 🧀 Cheesosaurus - The Cheese Lover's Thread
Post by: AJ on January 03, 2019, 04:54:33 AM
Say Cheese!  ;D

Cheese now has its own thread in the Diner Pantry.  :icon_sunny:  Cheeseheads Delight!

(https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/11/f3/56/78/photo0jpg.jpg)

RE
Ironic that all of my ancestors came from Wisconsin. There were a lot of excess Beer drinkers among them also. (and before that they all came from Germany). That cheese of Eddie's is awfully pricy. I have 5 or 6 #10 cans of cheese sauce from Costco in my preps - but it's not "real" cheese and mainly there for the calories and to make pasta for the umpteenth meal palatable. It would be nice to fine a local, less expensive version of "Bega" cheese.
AJ
Title: Re: 🧀 Cheesosaurus - The Cheese Lover's Thread
Post by: Eddie on January 03, 2019, 05:44:58 AM
My thought is that you have to ask yourself what cheese (and butter) will be worth to you when you can't get it at all. From that perspective, it looks pretty cheap to me. I buy a little along and add to my supplies. Food preps in general are expensive, but I've spread my buying over 8 years.

My food prep plan is to have a year's supply of the basics. Eggs are easy and cheaper than canned dairy, if you get the dried ones. So is milk, but whole milk dried is hard to find. I buy the cheaper stuff there,
Title: Re: 🧀 Cheesosaurus - The Cheese Lover's Thread
Post by: RE on January 03, 2019, 06:05:12 AM
Cheese keeps pretty close to forever in the fridge if it is vacuum sealed.

I recently (well about a year ago) opened a container of Cream Cheese I had in the fridge since 2008, when I first went nuts buying Food Preps.  It was fine.  Made a great Salmon Spread with it.

I have year old soft Blue Cheese and variations on Brie in the fridge I bought ON SALE, and they're still fine too.

This is not even freezing the stuff.

Unless you figure your fridge to stop working in the near future,  I see little reason for expensive canned cheese or canned butter.

If you buy a full wheel with the rind still on and vacuum seal that, down in your root cellar it's probably going to last at least 2 years, without refrigeration.  Gouda coated in Wax will also last about forever.

RE
Title: Re: 🧀 Cheesosaurus - The Cheese Lover's Thread
Post by: Eddie on January 03, 2019, 06:28:11 AM
You're probably making reasonable assumptions, but I make the assumption that I might lose all refrigeration. Just an additional cautionary measure. Preps are preps. Hopefully you never use them anyway,
Title: Re: 🧀 Cheesosaurus - The Cheese Lover's Thread
Post by: RE on January 03, 2019, 06:44:38 AM
You're probably making reasonable assumptions, but I make the assumption that I might lose all refrigeration. Just an additional cautionary measure. Preps are preps. Hopefully you never use them anyway,

You spend tons of money to make sure you still have electricity after SHTF Day, so why spend more on canned cheese?  ???  :icon_scratch:

Basically IMHO, prep foods should last about 2 years.  After that, if you are not able to access new foodstuffs you either grow yourself, can trade for or Da Goobermint issues, you can kiss your Extinct Ass Goodbye.

RE
Title: Re: 🧀 Cheesosaurus - How to Make Double Brie Cheese at Home
Post by: RE on January 03, 2019, 07:00:18 AM
Say Cheese!  ;D

Doesn't look hard (never did it myself though), but it does look tedious.  Also, he relies on a lot of Industrial Civilization materials and devices for this operation.
RE

Another thing I wonder about here is how much it cost him to make this Brie in money, besides the time it costs him and all the materials he needs fo it.

Will he be able to get cultures to ferment the milk after SHTF Day?  This is like the Seed issue.  Most people who grow their own food don't save their own seeds, they buy new packages every year.  What happens when you can't buy any seeds?

RE
Title: Re: 🧀 Cheesosaurus - The Cheese Lover's Thread
Post by: Eddie on January 03, 2019, 07:04:38 AM
You're probably making reasonable assumptions, but I make the assumption that I might lose all refrigeration. Just an additional cautionary measure. Preps are preps. Hopefully you never use them anyway,

You spend tons of money to make sure you still have electricity after SHTF Day, so why spend more on canned cheese?  ???  :icon_scratch:

Basically IMHO, prep foods should last about 2 years.  After that, if you are not able to access new foodstuffs you either grow yourself, can trade for or Da Goobermint issues, you can kiss your Extinct Ass Goodbye.

RE

Because I'm a belt and suspenders kind of guy, when it comes to preps.

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRYeuRekbt0Id43iPCaPJZsPlb7k9lxsu0ApfWOJq7MuKZ0aEvQ)
Title: Re: 🧀 Cheesosaurus - The Cheese Lover's Thread
Post by: Eddie on January 03, 2019, 07:08:18 AM
As JW Wheeler would tell you, the seed issue is a big deal. Saving seeds is an art form, and there are a number of good books about that subject.

If you read them (and I have) it becomes obvious that it's a daunting task.

My approach, buy lots of seeds, keep them cold, and continually add to your supply.

And keep that book, you're gonna need it.
Title: Re: 🧀 Cheesosaurus - The Cheese Lover's Thread
Post by: RE on January 03, 2019, 07:32:53 AM
You're probably making reasonable assumptions, but I make the assumption that I might lose all refrigeration. Just an additional cautionary measure. Preps are preps. Hopefully you never use them anyway,

You spend tons of money to make sure you still have electricity after SHTF Day, so why spend more on canned cheese?  ???  :icon_scratch:

Basically IMHO, prep foods should last about 2 years.  After that, if you are not able to access new foodstuffs you either grow yourself, can trade for or Da Goobermint issues, you can kiss your Extinct Ass Goodbye.

RE

Because I'm a belt and suspenders kind of guy, when it comes to preps.

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRYeuRekbt0Id43iPCaPJZsPlb7k9lxsu0ApfWOJq7MuKZ0aEvQ)

IMHO, you have RPDRich Prepper's Disease.  Too much money laying around you need to find preps to buy with.  ::)

RE
Title: Re: 🧀 Cheesosaurus - The Cheese Lover's Thread
Post by: Eddie on January 03, 2019, 08:01:37 AM
You're probably making reasonable assumptions, but I make the assumption that I might lose all refrigeration. Just an additional cautionary measure. Preps are preps. Hopefully you never use them anyway,

You spend tons of money to make sure you still have electricity after SHTF Day, so why spend more on canned cheese?  ???  :icon_scratch:

Basically IMHO, prep foods should last about 2 years.  After that, if you are not able to access new foodstuffs you either grow yourself, can trade for or Da Goobermint issues, you can kiss your Extinct Ass Goodbye.

RE

Because I'm a belt and suspenders kind of guy, when it comes to preps.

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRYeuRekbt0Id43iPCaPJZsPlb7k9lxsu0ApfWOJq7MuKZ0aEvQ)

IMHO, you have RPDRich Prepper's Disease.  Too much money laying around you need to find preps to buy with.  ::)

RE

In my opinion, I know a whole lot more about real world preps than you do.
Title: Re: 🧀 Cheesosaurus - The Cheese Lover's Thread
Post by: AJ on January 03, 2019, 11:18:17 AM
You're probably making reasonable assumptions, but I make the assumption that I might lose all refrigeration. Just an additional cautionary measure. Preps are preps. Hopefully you never use them anyway,

You spend tons of money to make sure you still have electricity after SHTF Day, so why spend more on canned cheese?  ???  :icon_scratch:

Basically IMHO, prep foods should last about 2 years.  After that, if you are not able to access new foodstuffs you either grow yourself, can trade for or Da Goobermint issues, you can kiss your Extinct Ass Goodbye.

RE

Because I'm a belt and suspenders kind of guy, when it comes to preps.

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRYeuRekbt0Id43iPCaPJZsPlb7k9lxsu0ApfWOJq7MuKZ0aEvQ)

IMHO, you have RPDRich Prepper's Disease.  Too much money laying around you need to find preps to buy with.  ::)

RE
Kinda agree with both of you. I have solar and battery back up. BUT we don't get much sun in coastal Oregon in the winter. :-[ So, I will lose refrigeration at some point (and it doesn't freeze much here in the winter). Canned cheese might be worth it.
AS TO SEEDS. I got one of the books on seed saving. Squash were relatively easy (except for the delicata - it got crossed with a zucchini). All my squash next year will be from my own seeds. C5 is right, squash is a preppers food (just had some for lunch).
Next year my corn and beans will be from my own seeds. Last year I planted to many varieties of beans and corn way to close together. This season only three varieties of beans and two of corn, separated into different gardens. This year also my parsnips should give me some seeds. What's really hard with seed saving is waiting two years for some seeds.
I've got a years worth of calories for 7 people. So, I would like my food preps to last for more than two years. If we grow a lot of our own food that might stretch out for quite a few years. Maybe long enough to avoid starving?
A little cheese would go a long way to spice up a mostly vegetarian diet. In a SHTF scenario I will become a venison lover.
AJ
 
Title: Re: 🧀 Cheesosaurus - The Cheese Lover's Thread
Post by: RE on January 03, 2019, 01:04:59 PM
In my opinion, I know a whole lot more about real world preps than you do.

Everybody's entitled to an opinion.  You also hold the opinion that Capitalism is superior to Socialism.  ::)

RE
Title: Re: 🧀 Cheesosaurus - The Cheese Lover's Thread
Post by: Eddie on January 03, 2019, 03:18:30 PM
In my opinion, I know a whole lot more about real world preps than you do.

Everybody's entitled to an opinion.  You also hold the opinion that Capitalism is superior to Socialism.  ::)

RE

Find the post where I ever said that, Mr. Master of the Diner Search Engine. Not even close to true.

What I have said, over and over, is that socialism has it's own set of problems. And that people who think socialism is the answer to our society's problems are deluding themselves. And that the current crop of socialists have a real scary false narrative going on about racism, sexism, gender-bending, and things related to rights of special people to receive special treatment.

In fact, in almost every post I make calling out the socialist false narrative, I'm very careful to acknowledge that the form of capitalism that is more appropriately called Corporatism has effectively doomed life on this planet.

I just don't want to spend my declining years having my life run by some chickenshit Che wannabe who doesn't know his ass from a hold in the ground. (And that isn't aimed at K-dog,btw. He's an honorable man who means well, as are you.)
Title: Re: 🧀 Cheesosaurus - The Cheese Lover's Thread
Post by: RE on January 03, 2019, 03:44:41 PM
In my opinion, I know a whole lot more about real world preps than you do.

Everybody's entitled to an opinion.  You also hold the opinion that Capitalism is superior to Socialism.  ::)

RE

Find the post where I ever said that, Mr. Master of the Diner Search Engine. Not even close to true.

What I have said, over and over, is that socialism has it's own set of problems. And that people who think socialism is the answer to our society's problems are deluding themselves. And that the current crop of socialists have a real scary false narrative going on about racism, sexism, gender-bending, and things related to rights of special people to receive special treatment.

In fact, in almost every post I make calling out the socialist false narrative, I'm very careful to acknowledge that the form of capitalism that is more appropriately called Corporatism has effectively doomed life on this planet.

I just don't want to spend my declining years having my life run by some chickenshit Che wannabe who doesn't know his ass from a hold in the ground. (And that isn't aimed at K-dog,btw. He's an honorable man who means well, as are you.)

I'll take Che over Trumpofsky any day.

RE
Title: Re: 🧀 Cheesosaurus - The Cheese Lover's Thread
Post by: K-Dog on January 03, 2019, 10:25:58 PM
In my opinion, I know a whole lot more about real world preps than you do.

Everybody's entitled to an opinion.  You also hold the opinion that Capitalism is superior to Socialism.  ::)

RE

Find the post where I ever said that, Mr. Master of the Diner Search Engine. Not even close to true.

What I have said, over and over, is that socialism has it's own set of problems. And that people who think socialism is the answer to our society's problems are deluding themselves. And that the current crop of socialists have a real scary false narrative going on about racism, sexism, gender-bending, and things related to rights of special people to receive special treatment.

In fact, in almost every post I make calling out the socialist false narrative, I'm very careful to acknowledge that the form of capitalism that is more appropriately called Corporatism has effectively doomed life on this planet.

I just don't want to spend my declining years having my life run by some chickenshit Che wannabe who doesn't know his ass from a hold in the ground. (And that isn't aimed at K-dog,btw. He's an honorable man who means well, as are you.)

I'll take Che over Trumpofsky any day.

RE


Thank you Eddie.

An excerpt of Fidel Castro's speech in 1967 announcing the death of Che Guevara to the Cuban people was played in which he famously urged Cuban children "to be like Che", a slogan that endures today.

(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/127F1/production/_98116757_19ed66f5-d6e1-4bd4-a787-f5c8c96a04d2.jpg)

Cubans remember Che Guevara 50 years after his death

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Several thousand people have attended a ceremony in the Cuban city of Santa Clara to remember the revolutionary icon Ernesto "Che" Guevara, 50 years after his capture and death.

Among crowds at his statue and mausoleum was his old friend, Cuban President Raśl Castro.

Many more watched at home on state TV as President Castro laid a white rose on Guevara's tomb.

The revolutionary still divides opinion as much today as he did in life.

For five decades his name has adorned every corner of Cuba, from banknotes to billboards, his image one of the most recognizable in Latin America.

The people who turned out in Santa Clara - the city synonymous with his greatest victory in battle - clad in Che T-shirts or holding up his image in pictures, think of him as nothing less than a hero.

They came to celebrate the charismatic, uncompromising Argentine they adopted as one of their own.

"We hold him very close, we have him near us always. We know what Che represents to Cubans, to Latin Americans and to the world. For us it's a great honor to have his image on our chests and in our hearts," said one man.

Judging from the number of schoolchildren in the audience, Guevara's life will remain a crucial part of the education of young people in Cuba for decades to come.

The article was from last year.  Trump will not be remembered like this.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-41544497 (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-41544497)
Title: 🧀 Cheesosaurus - How to make Cheddar Cheese
Post by: RE on January 04, 2019, 12:37:03 AM
Hard to justify spending a lot of money on Canned Cheese when you can make it yourself as long as you can get hold of some milk, and just to age it takes 6 months anyhow!  NO refrigeration required.

It would be a good idea to load up in the preps on Cheesecloth, CaCO3 and Rennit though.

http://www.youtube.com/v/xEnifYNnDCA

RE
Title: Re: 🧀 Cheesosaurus - The Cheese Lover's Thread
Post by: RE on January 04, 2019, 12:47:19 AM
Thank you Eddie.

An excerpt of Fidel Castro's speech in 1967 announcing the death of Che Guevara to the Cuban people was played in which he famously urged Cuban children "to be like Che", a slogan that endures today.

(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/127F1/production/_98116757_19ed66f5-d6e1-4bd4-a787-f5c8c96a04d2.jpg)

Cubans remember Che Guevara 50 years after his death

Quote
Several thousand people have attended a ceremony in the Cuban city of Santa Clara to remember the revolutionary icon Ernesto "Che" Guevara, 50 years after his capture and death.

Among crowds at his statue and mausoleum was his old friend, Cuban President Raśl Castro.

Many more watched at home on state TV as President Castro laid a white rose on Guevara's tomb.

The revolutionary still divides opinion as much today as he did in life.

For five decades his name has adorned every corner of Cuba, from banknotes to billboards, his image one of the most recognizable in Latin America.

The people who turned out in Santa Clara - the city synonymous with his greatest victory in battle - clad in Che T-shirts or holding up his image in pictures, think of him as nothing less than a hero.

They came to celebrate the charismatic, uncompromising Argentine they adopted as one of their own.

"We hold him very close, we have him near us always. We know what Che represents to Cubans, to Latin Americans and to the world. For us it's a great honor to have his image on our chests and in our hearts," said one man.

Judging from the number of schoolchildren in the audience, Guevara's life will remain a crucial part of the education of young people in Cuba for decades to come.

The article was from last year.  Trump will not be remembered like this.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-41544497 (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-41544497)

http://www.youtube.com/v/f0952Hj4fWw

RE
Title: Re: 🧀 Cheesosaurus - The Cheese Lover's Thread
Post by: Surly1 on January 04, 2019, 04:47:42 AM
And that people who think socialism is the answer to our society's problems are deluding themselves. And that the current crop of socialists have a real scary false narrative going on about racism, sexism, gender-bending, and things related to rights of special people to receive special treatment.

In fact, in almost every post I make calling out the socialist false narrative, I'm very careful to acknowledge that the form of capitalism that is more appropriately called Corporatism has effectively doomed life on this planet.


Eddie is taking his SJW-flogging out for a walk, like most ardent and privileged defenders of the status quo. It must be Friday.

When he hits the crypto lottery, he'll be damned if any grubby socialist hands will attach themselves to any part of that boodle.

Note also that is it is the "socialist false narrative" that is always false. Framing 101. No sale, ace.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/oaZk0WNSO7fXi/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: 🧀 Cheesosaurus - How to make Cheddar Cheese
Post by: AJ on January 04, 2019, 05:05:00 AM
Hard to justify spending a lot of money on Canned Cheese when you can make it yourself as long as you can get hold of some milk, and just to age it takes 6 months anyhow!  NO refrigeration required.

It would be a good idea to load up in the preps on Cheesecloth, CaCO3 and Rennit though.

http://www.youtube.com/v/xEnifYNnDCA

RE
Nice video. But hard to prioritise making cheese. I think this only happens if you have a huge farm operation and can support goats or cows. And how would you do that without oxen or draft horses to pull the plows to grow sufficient forage for the cows. Maybe you could do this with goats. Without all the infrastructure in place already you are screwed. C5 had a link in one of his blogs of a series called "Tales from the Green Valley" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRj1YYnsBGk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRj1YYnsBGk). They could make cheese because they had the horse to plow the fields, to grow the grain, to feed the cow, to get the milk, to make the cheese. I watched this whole series and it was great. Maybe we can fall back to this if we are lucky. At this point I will probably buy some of Eddie's cheese.
AJ
Title: Re: 🧀 Cheesosaurus - The Cheese Lover's Thread
Post by: RE on January 04, 2019, 05:13:13 AM
And that people who think socialism is the answer to our society's problems are deluding themselves. And that the current crop of socialists have a real scary false narrative going on about racism, sexism, gender-bending, and things related to rights of special people to receive special treatment.

In fact, in almost every post I make calling out the socialist false narrative, I'm very careful to acknowledge that the form of capitalism that is more appropriately called Corporatism has effectively doomed life on this planet.


Eddie is taking his SJW-flogging out for a walk, like most ardent and privileged defenders of the status quo. It must be Friday.

When he hits the crypto lottery, he'll be damned if any grubby socialist hands will attach themselves to any part of that boodle.

Note also that is it is the "socialist false narrative" that is always false. Framing 101. No sale, ace.


It's Red Team Tag Time here on the Diner to beat down the Blue Capitalist Pigs!  :icon_sunny:

(https://cdn3.whatculture.com/images/2016/03/7Vdlke5M.gif)

RE
Title: Re: 🧀 Cheesosaurus - The Cheese Lover's Thread
Post by: Eddie on January 04, 2019, 05:25:35 AM
And that people who think socialism is the answer to our society's problems are deluding themselves. And that the current crop of socialists have a real scary false narrative going on about racism, sexism, gender-bending, and things related to rights of special people to receive special treatment.

In fact, in almost every post I make calling out the socialist false narrative, I'm very careful to acknowledge that the form of capitalism that is more appropriately called Corporatism has effectively doomed life on this planet.


Eddie is taking his SJW-flogging out for a walk, like most ardent and privileged defenders of the status quo. It must be Friday.

When he hits the crypto lottery, he'll be damned if any grubby socialist hands will attach themselves to any part of that boodle.

Note also that is it is the "socialist false narrative" that is always false. Framing 101. No sale, ace.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/oaZk0WNSO7fXi/giphy.gif)

I'll tell you the same thing I just told RE. I don't want some dumbass Che wannabe running my life. And that's exactly where this is headed. I just hope I don't live to see it come to full fruition.

Your white privilege bullshit is getting old. I've been more than fair in my assessments. I like you a lot, but you're wrong on this, and I won't back down. I think you're well-intentioned, but your a nice guy who has drunk the kool-aid.
Title: Re: 🧀 Cheesosaurus - The Cheese Lover's Thread
Post by: RE on January 04, 2019, 05:29:30 AM
I like you a lot, but you're wrong on this, and I won't back down. I think you're well-intentioned, but your a nice guy who has drunk the kool-aid.

What flavor of Kool Aid do you drink?

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81zX1BPkNbL.jpg)

RE
Title: Re: 🧀 Cheesosaurus - The Cheese Lover's Thread
Post by: Eddie on January 04, 2019, 05:42:58 AM
I've explained my point of view several times, respectfully...... and I think I've made a congent argument. And I know you're both smart enough to get it.

But belief is strong, and I expect it'll take my predictions coming true to prove my  point to anyone around here, and even then I expect you two will remain true to your delusions.

Title: Re: 🧀 Cheesosaurus - The Cheese Lover's Thread
Post by: Eddie on January 04, 2019, 05:46:12 AM
I'm on my back-up laptop. Makes me feel like I had a stroke. Don't slam me too hard today, I can't fight back.
Title: Re: 🧀 Cheesosaurus - The Cheese Lover's Thread
Post by: RE on January 04, 2019, 05:52:16 AM
I'm on my back-up laptop. Makes me feel like I had a stroke. Don't slam me too hard today, I can't fight back.

OK, we'll put you on the Injured Reserve list.  ;D

RE
Title: Re: 🧀 Cheesosaurus - How to make Cheddar Cheese
Post by: Nearingsfault on January 04, 2019, 06:01:16 AM
Hard to justify spending a lot of money on Canned Cheese when you can make it yourself as long as you can get hold of some milk, and just to age it takes 6 months anyhow!  NO refrigeration required.

It would be a good idea to load up in the preps on Cheesecloth, CaCO3 and Rennit though.

http://www.youtube.com/v/xEnifYNnDCA

RE
Nice video. But hard to prioritise making cheese. I think this only happens if you have a huge farm operation and can support goats or cows. And how would you do that without oxen or draft horses to pull the plows to grow sufficient forage for the cows. Maybe you could do this with goats. Without all the infrastructure in place already you are screwed. C5 had a link in one of his blogs of a series called "Tales from the Green Valley" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRj1YYnsBGk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRj1YYnsBGk). They could make cheese because they had the horse to plow the fields, to grow the grain, to feed the cow, to get the milk, to make the cheese. I watched this whole series and it was great. Maybe we can fall back to this if we are lucky. At this point I will probably buy some of Eddie's cheese.
AJ
don't forget pigs. If you have a cheese or butter operation you need to feed the whey and skim to something...Some friends of mine raise and milk goats and make cheese in times of plenty. They love it but their stead is a full time job. Very little mechanical help but they do buy in some feed and hay so there is the machinery again. The green valley series is excellent but I prefer the wartime farm series from the same group as a better representation of our immediate future.
Title: Re: 🧀 Cheesosaurus - How to make Cheddar Cheese
Post by: RE on January 04, 2019, 06:18:28 AM
The green valley series is excellent but I prefer the wartime farm series from the same group as a better representation of our immediate future.

Put up your favorite vids.

RE
Title: Re: 🧀 Cheesosaurus - How to make Cheddar Cheese
Post by: Nearingsfault on January 04, 2019, 06:27:39 AM
The green valley series is excellent but I prefer the wartime farm series from the same group as a better representation of our immediate future.

Put up your favorite vids.

RE
Its all there crisis, refugees, making due with mediocre machinery life or death...
http://www.youtube.com/v/CUsU5s0ofYo
Title: Re: 🧀 Cheesosaurus - How to make Cheddar Cheese
Post by: RE on January 04, 2019, 06:31:53 AM
The green valley series is excellent but I prefer the wartime farm series from the same group as a better representation of our immediate future.

Put up your favorite vids.

RE
Its all there crisis, refugees, making due with mediocre machinery life or death...
http://www.youtube.com/v/CUsU5s0ofYo

Nice contribution, THX.   :icon_sunny:

RE
Title: Re: 🧀 Cheesosaurus - How to make Cheddar Cheese
Post by: Eddie on January 04, 2019, 07:30:46 AM
The green valley series is excellent but I prefer the wartime farm series from the same group as a better representation of our immediate future.

Put up your favorite vids.

RE
Its all there crisis, refugees, making due with mediocre machinery life or death...
http://www.youtube.com/v/CUsU5s0ofYo

I think that's  a very good likelihood for our future too. I've always thought so, although the vids are new to me.

Tell me again where that good cheap ag land is?
Title: Re: 🧀 Cheesosaurus - The Cheese Lover's Thread
Post by: K-Dog on January 04, 2019, 08:55:04 AM
I'm on my back-up laptop. Makes me feel like I had a stroke. Don't slam me too hard today, I can't fight back.

(https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse2.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.NrMIK2zsq35NwTPCobFhRgHaE3%26pid%3D15.1&f=1)

Walk the plank Matey.
Title: Re: 🧀 Cheesosaurus - The Cheese Lover's Thread
Post by: Surly1 on January 04, 2019, 10:40:34 AM

I'll tell you the same thing I just told RE. I don't want some dumbass Che wannabe running my life. And that's exactly where this is headed. I just hope I don't live to see it come to full fruition.

Yeah, I read that earlier in a rare moment of concentration during my convalescence. If you're scoring at home, you have far more likelihood of being obliged to take mandatory pistol training from some brownshirt Oath Keeper, part of the "America-- Fuck, Yeah!" crowd, than you are than to get a Che wannabe here in the heart of empire. And you think it's me who's drunk the Kool-aid?

Your white privilege bullshit is getting old. I've been more than fair in my assessments. I like you a lot, but you're wrong on this, and I won't back down. I think you're well-intentioned, but your a nice guy who has drunk the kool-aid.

Spoken like a happy beneficiary of said privilege. You're free to believe in any of the Great Collection of American Myths: collect the entire set!
https://www.truthdig.com/articles/american-society-would-collapse-if-it-werent-for-these-8-myths/ (https://www.truthdig.com/articles/american-society-would-collapse-if-it-werent-for-these-8-myths/)

As for me, I'll spend the rest of my days working for justice in whatever halting, foolish ways I can and work toward eventually snapping the spine of Cracker Nation.
Title: Re: 🧀 Cheesosaurus - The Cheese Lover's Thread
Post by: Eddie on January 04, 2019, 10:49:32 AM
You commies sure like to talk shit. One size fits all. No wonder there is no dialog.

Every white guy in America is beholden to all the ethnic minorities and all the special people in the world, because he clawed his own way out of poverty in an increasingly dog-eat-dog world. 

I know better. The ironic thing is that you will go down fighting for people who don't give a flying fuck about you, and would gladly spit on you or worse, if you venture into the hood.

Saint Surly, patron saint of the oppressed. Good luck with that.


 
Title: Re: 🧀 Cheesosaurus - The Cheese Lover's Thread
Post by: Surly1 on January 04, 2019, 11:05:54 AM
You commies sure like to talk shit. One size fits all. No wonder there is no dialog.

Every white guy in America is beholden to all the ethnic minorities and all the special people in the world, because he clawed his own way out of poverty in an increasingly dog-eat-dog world. 

"Beholden."

Thanks for the tell, and the bias confirmation, as clear as fuck for anyone who can read to see.

St. Horatio of the Algers.
Title: Re: 🧀 Cheesosaurus - The Cheese Lover's Thread
Post by: RE on January 04, 2019, 11:12:08 AM
You commies sure like to talk shit. One size fits all. No wonder there is no dialog.

Every white guy in America is beholden to all the ethnic minorities and all the special people in the world, because he clawed his own way out of poverty in an increasingly dog-eat-dog world. 

"Beholden."

Thanks for the tell, and the bias confirmation, as clear as fuck for anyone who can read to see.

St. Horatio of the Algers.

If I hear 1 more time about how he bootstrapped himself out of poverty to get rich, I am going to have to make a trip to the Throne and Pray to the Porcelain God.  ::)

RE
Title: Re: 🧀 Cheesosaurus - The Cheese Lover's Thread
Post by: Eddie on January 04, 2019, 11:24:11 AM
And you can kiss my redneck ass. Come over here and say that.

I'm tired of giving you a pass because you're a cripple who directly destroyed his own health doing shit you knew was bad for you..

You were a fucking athlete. You ruined your body one cigarette and one beer at a time.

You never paid your way for shit. You started at the top, best public school in the nation. Frank McCourt was your high school teacher. Most of these guys don't know who that is, but I do.

You were a smart kid who took the path of least resistance. You started at the top and worked your way all the way to the bottom, and now you want to criticize me.

Fuck you and the horse you rode in on. You don't have the right to judge me, and neither does Surly.



Title: Re: 🧀 Cheesosaurus - The Cheese Lover's Thread
Post by: RE on January 04, 2019, 11:35:22 AM
And you can kiss my redneck ass. Come over here and say that.

I'm tired of giving you a pass because you're a cripple who directly destroyed his own health doing shit you knew was bad for you..

You were a fucking athlete. You ruined your body one cigarette and one beer at a time.

You never paid your way for shit. You started at the top, best public school in the nation. Frank McCourt was your high school teacher. Most of these guys don't know who that is, but I do.

You were a smart kid who took the path of least resistance. You started at the top and worked your way all the way to the bottom, and now you want to criticize me.

Fuck you and the horse you rode in on. You don't have the right to judge me, and neither does Surly.

IMHO, I worked my way to the top.  It all depends how you look at it.

If you think this was "the path of least resistance", you need a wake up call.  The path of least resistance would have been to walk back through the doors of Drexel on that cool day in September when I walked away from all of it.  It's been a struggle ever since, and I stayed above water as a Working Class Hero.  Never been to jail, never even charged with a crime like DUI.  How many people can say that?  Not you.

http://www.youtube.com/v/iMewtlmkV6c

Far as my health goes, well you pay a price for being the kind of party animal I was my whole life, so it goes.  Has little to do with the economics here.

So take your Horatio Alger stories and stick 'em where the sun don't shine.

RE
Title: Re: 🧀 Cheesosaurus - How to make Cheddar Cheese
Post by: AJ on January 04, 2019, 11:49:36 AM
The green valley series is excellent but I prefer the wartime farm series from the same group as a better representation of our immediate future.

Put up your favorite vids.

RE
Its all there crisis, refugees, making due with mediocre machinery life or death...
http://www.youtube.com/v/CUsU5s0ofYo
Thanks, I will be watching this shortly. I loved The Green Valley, in that you can live (and eat well) in a non tech world. I would have passed on this without your recommendation.
AJ
Title: Re: 🧀 Cheesosaurus - The Cheese Lover's Thread
Post by: Eddie on January 04, 2019, 12:00:33 PM
Not only that....you blame the dental profession for ruining your teeth. Know how many times I've heard that particular excuse?

Cleopatra Queen of Denial. You're a walking example of the human tendency to blame other people and "the system" and whatever else you can think of for your own self-destructive nature.

Mr. Death Wish. How many years now has RE been dying?

You hate your father, deep down. A man who hates his father can never prosper. You should forgive him before you die. It will cleanse your soul.
Title: Re: 🧀 Cheesosaurus - The Cheese Lover's Thread
Post by: RE on January 04, 2019, 12:19:33 PM
Not only that....you blame the dental profession for ruining your teeth. Know how many times I've heard that particular excuse?

Cleopatra Queen of Denial. You're a walking example of the human tendency to blame other people and "the system" and whatever else you can think of for your own self-destructive nature.

Mr. Death Wish. How many years now has RE been dying?

You hate your father, deep down. A man who hates his father can never prosper. You should forgive him before you die. It will cleanse your soul.

Thank you Sigmund Freud for this diagnosis.

RE
Title: 🧀 Cheesosaurus - RE's Favorite Cheese
Post by: RE on January 04, 2019, 06:55:23 PM
It's a French Cheese I discovered on one of my trips inter-railing in Eurotrashland, when I subsisted for several weeks on Baguettes & Cheese for breakfast, lunch and dinner.  This was after I blew all my money on the Swedish girls in Venice buying a lovely little hotel room on a canal and wining and dining them.  It was worth it.  lol.

It was a few years after that I turned up the cheese again in a Gourmet Cheese shop in NY Shity, and often brought a baguette and a wedge of the Cheese with me to my job as a Clinical Chemist, which I did for 2 16 hour shifts on the weekends.  I have found it on again/off again in cheese shops all over the country where I have lived, and always buy some when I find it.  It was available at the Gourmet Cheese counter at Fred Meyer when I first got her, but they stopped carrying it after a year or so.  Not a good seller the cheese counter clerk told me.  It's a rather stinky and strong tasting cheese, not one the Amerikan palate is generally accustomed to with bland Amerikan "Cheese Product" melted over Burgers.  I may order a wheel online, although that is pretty expensive to buy that much.

It's called St. Albray, and worth trying if you like strong tasting cheeses.

http://www.youtube.com/v/LrRZph_xyfI

RE
Title: 🧀 Cheesosaurus - Why buy expensive Canned Cheese when you can Can it?
Post by: RE on January 05, 2019, 01:56:55 AM
Never tried this myself, but I'm sure it works fine.  I think she overdoes the bacterial protection though.  Any bacteria you do bring in is going to get killed during the canning process.  Main thing is well sealed canning jars.

RE

http://www.youtube.com/v/HQo29wCbS8M
Title: Re: 🧀 Cheesosaurus - The Cheese Lover's Thread
Post by: AJ on January 05, 2019, 04:43:40 AM
Damn,
I just ate breakfast and the St. Albray sandwich had my mouthwatering. I'll look in the local cheese store for it. I only made it to France once (Paris - did the Lovere) and loved the food, especially the cheese.
The vid canning the cheese left me with more questions than answers. How long would the canned cheese be good for? As a former pharmaceutical drug maker I think she was silly as to her "sterilization" technique. I'm not sure a hot water bath would be sufficient to truly knock down any bacterial spores. Doesn't seem that science supports this:https://www.clemson.edu/extension/food/canning/canning-tips/38canning-dairy-products.html (https://www.clemson.edu/extension/food/canning/canning-tips/38canning-dairy-products.html) As this article states, most hard cheese can be stored for years as it already has everything it needs to store away for years.
AJ
Title: Re: 🧀 Cheesosaurus - The Cheese Lover's Thread
Post by: RE on January 05, 2019, 06:17:08 AM
Damn,
I just ate breakfast and the St. Albray sandwich had my mouthwatering. I'll look in the local cheese store for it. I only made it to France once (Paris - did the Lovere) and loved the food, especially the cheese.
The vid canning the cheese left me with more questions than answers. How long would the canned cheese be good for? As a former pharmaceutical drug maker I think she was silly as to her "sterilization" technique. I'm not sure a hot water bath would be sufficient to truly knock down any bacterial spores. Doesn't seem that science supports this:https://www.clemson.edu/extension/food/canning/canning-tips/38canning-dairy-products.html (https://www.clemson.edu/extension/food/canning/canning-tips/38canning-dairy-products.html) As this article states, most hard cheese can be stored for years as it already has everything it needs to store away for years.
AJ

The jars go in a boiling temperature bath in the final stage.  That should kill off any bacteria that managed to get themselves in there.

As you say, even without canning cheese is very long lasting.  You just would have to test this to see how long it stores for without refrigeration.  I'll bet on at least 2 years.

What I would do after the canning is to keep the jars refrigerated anyhow.  I have cream cheese over 5 years old in the fridge which I finally opened and it was just fine.  Then at some point in the future after SHTF Day arrives and you lose the refrigeration, the canned cheese probably still lasts a couple of years after that.

This is quite an EZ experiment to run, not much equipment needed.  You don't even need a pressure cooker, just some canning jars and you can go buy a couple of blocks of cheddar and cream cheese at the Food Superstore and give it a whirl.

RE
Title: 🧀 Cheesosaurus - Since we're Canning Cheese, let's Can Butter Too!
Post by: RE on January 05, 2019, 07:55:24 AM
Another one not very hard to try out with little in the way of equipment to buy.,  Well, OK the Pressure Cooker for canning is fairly expensive, but even I own one of those (though I never use it, it's just one of my Preps)

http://www.youtube.com/v/IjpY3Kv5mRY

http://www.youtube.com/v/tv5o4YUHqfs

RE