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Title: The Rudy Colludy Schadenfreude Thread
Post by: Surly1 on October 16, 2019, 12:03:04 PM
Standing this up right here in honor of a man who deserves to. e passed around like a party favor at Rikers.

Never-Before-Seen Trump Tax Documents Show Major Inconsistencies (https://www.propublica.org/article/trump-inc-podcast-never-before-seen-trump-tax-documents-show-major-inconsistencies?fbclid=IwAR0NgAnu5mfZny_yvbRKV5gAIhS4WIH1cnP9P8IXHx3yGYQZN2tEyf1tXg4)
The president’s businesses made themselves appear more profitable to lenders and less profitable to tax officials. One expert calls the differing numbers “versions of fraud.”


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One of President Donald Trump’s signature skyscrapers, at 40 Wall Street in New York. Documents reveal Trump shared conflicting cost and occupancy figures for the building with lenders. (Spencer Platt/Getty Images)

One of President Donald Trump’s signature skyscrapers, at 40 Wall Street in New York. Documents reveal Trump shared conflicting cost and occupancy figures for the building with lenders. (Spencer Platt/Getty Images)

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Documents obtained by ProPublica show stark differences in how Donald Trump’s businesses reported some expenses, profits and occupancy figures for two Manhattan buildings, giving a lender different figures than they provided to New York City tax authorities. The discrepancies made the buildings appear more profitable to the lender — and less profitable to the officials who set the buildings’ property tax.

For instance, Trump told the lender that he took in twice as much rent from one building as he reported to tax authorities during the same year, 2017. He also gave conflicting occupancy figures for one of his signature skyscrapers, located at 40 Wall Street.

Lenders like to see a rising occupancy level as a sign of what they call “leasing momentum.” Sure enough, the company told a lender that 40 Wall Street had been 58.9% leased on Dec. 31, 2012, and then rose to 95% a few years later. The company told tax officials the building was 81% rented as of Jan. 5, 2013.

A dozen real estate professionals told ProPublica they saw no clear explanation for multiple inconsistencies in the documents. The discrepancies are “versions of fraud,” said Nancy Wallace, a professor of finance and real estate at the Haas School of Business at the University of California-Berkeley. “This kind of stuff is not OK.”

New York City’s property tax forms state that the person signing them “affirms the truth of the statements made” and that “false filings are subject to all applicable civil and criminal penalties.”

The punishments for lying to tax officials, or to lenders, can be significant, ranging from fines to criminal fraud charges. Two former Trump associates, Michael Cohen and Paul Manafort, are serving prison time for offenses that include falsifying tax and bank records, some of them related to real estate.

“Certainly, if I were sitting in a prosecutor’s office, I would want to ask a lot more questions,” said Anne Milgram, a former attorney general for New Jersey who is now a professor at New York University School of Law.

Trump has previously been accused of manipulating numbers on his tax and loan documents, including by his former lawyer, Cohen. But Trump’s business is notoriously opaque, with records rarely surfacing, and up till now there’s been little documentary evidence supporting those claims.

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That’s one reason that multiple governmental entities, including two congressional committees and the office of the Manhattan district attorney, have subpoenaed Donald Trump’s tax returns. Trump has resisted, taking his battles to federal courts in Washington and New York. And so the question of whether different parts of the government can see the president’s financial information is now playing out in two appeals courts and seems destined to make it to the U.S. Supreme Court. Add to that a Washington Post account of an IRS whistleblower claiming political interference in the handling of the president’s audit, and the result is what amounts to frenetic interest in one person’s tax returns.

ProPublica obtained the property tax documents using New York’s Freedom of Information Law. The documents were public because Trump appealed his property tax bill for the buildings every year for nine years in a row, the extent of the available records. We compared the tax records with loan records that became public when Trump’s lender, Ladder Capital, sold the debt on his properties as part of mortgage-backed securities.

ProPublica reviewed records for four properties: 40 Wall Street, the Trump International Hotel and Tower, 1290 Avenue of the Americas and Trump Tower. Discrepancies involving two of them — 40 Wall Street and the Trump International Hotel and Tower — stood out.

Trump’s personal attorney at the time, Michael Cohen, keeps watch as supporters lay hands on the then-presidential nominee. “It was my experience that Mr. Trump inflated his total assets when it served his purposes,” Cohen later testified, “and deflated his assets to reduce his real estate taxes.” (Jonathan Ernst/Reuters)

There can be legitimate reasons for numbers to diverge between tax and loan documents, the experts noted, but some of the gaps seemed to have no reasonable justification. “It really feels like there’s two sets of books — it feels like a set of books for the tax guy and a set for the lender,” said Kevin Riordan, a financing expert and real estate professor at Montclair State University who reviewed the records. “It’s hard to argue numbers. That’s black and white.”

The Trump Organization did not respond on the record to detailed questions provided by ProPublica. Robert Pollack, a lawyer whose firm, Marcus & Pollack, handles Trump’s property tax appeal filings with the city, said he was not authorized to discuss the documents. A spokeswoman for Mazars USA, the accounting firm that signed off on the two properties’ expense and income statements, said the firm does not comment on its work for clients. Executives with Trump’s lender, Ladder Capital, declined to be quoted for the story.

In response to ProPublica’s questions about the disparities, Laura Feyer, deputy press secretary for New York Mayor Bill de Blasio, said of the Trump International Hotel and Tower, “The city is looking into this property, and if there has been any underreporting, we will take appropriate action.”


Taxes have long been a third rail for Trump. Long before he famously declined to make his personal returns public, a New York Times investigation concluded, Trump participated in tax schemes that involved “outright fraud,” and that he had formulated “a strategy to undervalue his parents’ real estate holdings by hundreds of millions of dollars on tax returns.” Trump’s former partners in Panama claimed in a lawsuit, which is ongoing, that Trump’s hotel management company failed to pay taxes on millions in fees it received. Spokespeople for Trump and his company have denied any tax improprieties in the past.

In February, Cohen told Congress that Trump had adjusted figures up or down, as necessary, to obtain loans and avoid taxes. “It was my experience that Mr. Trump inflated his total assets when it served his purposes,” Cohen testified, “and deflated his assets to reduce his real estate taxes.”

The two Trump buildings with the most notable discrepancies shared a financial trait: Both were refinanced in 2015 and 2016 while Trump was campaigning for president. The loan for 40 Wall Street — $160 million — was then the Trump Organization’s biggest debt.

The fortunes of 40 Wall Street have risen and fallen repeatedly since it was constructed in 1930. Once briefly in the running to become the world’s tallest skyscraper (before being eclipsed by the Chrysler Building and then others), the 71-story landmark had an illustrious history before falling into disrepair as it changed hands multiple times.

Trump says in his book “Never Give Up” that he took over 40 Wall Street for $1 million during a down market in 1995. Others have reported the price as $10 million. Trump gave the property his signature treatment, decking out the lobby in Italian marble and bronze and christening it “The Trump Building.” Tenants such as American Express moved in.

But the rent rolls suffered when big-name tenants fled to Midtown in the years after the Sept. 11 attacks. Less blue-chip operations replaced them. In recent years, there were more setbacks. About two years ago, for example, high-end food purveyor Dean & Deluca canceled plans to locate an 18,500-square-foot emporium on the higher-priced first floor. The space remains empty.

The building at 40 Wall was underperforming, charging below-market rents, according to credit-rating agency Moody’s. Its profits were lagging.

Trump’s company, which has sometimes struggled to obtain credit because of his history of bankruptcies and defaults, turned for relief to a financial institution where Donald Trump had a connection: Ladder Capital, which employs Jack Weisselberg, the son of the Trump Organization’s longtime CFO, Allen Weisselberg. Ladder is a publicly traded commercial real estate investment trust that reports more than $6 billion in assets. In 2015, and still today, Jack Weisselberg was an executive director whose job was to make loans.

Trump and Jack Weisselberg had history together. Jack was at UBS, in its loan origination department, in 2006, when the Swiss bank loaned Trump $7 million for his piece of the Trump International Hotel and Tower. Allen Weisselberg had bought a condo from Trump in one of his buildings for a below-market price of $152,500 in 2000. He deeded it to Jack three years later for about $148,000. Jack sold the unit for more than three times as much in 2006. (Jack Weisselberg declined to comment on Ladder’s loans or his relationship with the Trump Organization.)

Even with a sympathetic lender, the struggles at 40 Wall Street would normally raise questions. Trump’s representatives needed to demonstrate signs of the building’s financial health if they wanted a new loan with a lower interest rate.

They had a compelling piece of data, it seemed. Trump’s team told Ladder that occupancy was rebounding after registering a lackluster 58.9% on Dec. 31, 2012. Since then, Trump representatives reported, the building had signed new tenants. Income from them hadn’t fully been realized yet, largely because of free-rent deals, they said. But after 2015, they predicted, revenues would surge.

“That’s a selling point for people in the business,” said Riordan, who was previously the executive director of the Rutgers Center for Real Estate. Borrowers “want to show tremendous leasing momentum.” The steepness of such a rise in occupancy at the Trump building was unusual, Riordan and other experts said.

Documents submitted to city property tax officials show no such run-up. Trump representatives reported to the tax authorities that the building was already 81% leased in 2012.

“What is bizarre is that you have these tax filings that are totally different,” Riordan said. A gap of at least 10 percentage points between the two occupancy reports persisted for the next two years, before the figures in the tax and loan reports synced in January 2016.

The portrayal of a rapid rise in occupancy, and the explanation that income would soon follow, were critical for the refinancing. Indeed, Ladder’s underwriters were predicting that 40 Wall Street’s profits would more than double after 2015. Having reviewed Trump’s financial statements and rent roll, they estimated the building would clear $22.6 million a year in net operating income.

Ladder needed credit ratings agencies like Moody’s and Fitch to endorse its income expectations and give the loan a favorable rating, which would in turn make it easier for the next step of the plan: to package the loan as part of a bond, a so-called commercial mortgage-backed security, and sell it to investors. Without the expected rise in income, Riordan said, the loan size or terms would likely have needed to be renegotiated to satisfy the ratings agencies and investors, which would mean less favorable terms for Trump and Ladder. “There was a story crafted here,” Riordan said. “It’s contradicted by what we see in the tax filings.”

Wallace, the University of California professor, added: “Especially in underwriting loans, you are supposed to truthfully report.” Both the lender and the borrower are required to supply accurate information, she said.

Moody’s and Fitch analysts found the underwriter’s projections slightly too rosy, but Fitch conferred an investment-grade rating on the loan, allowing it to proceed as planned. Trump ultimately received a 10-year loan with a lower interest rate than the building previously had as well as terms that would allow him to defer paying off much of the principal until the end of the loan.

Once granted, the loan to 40 Wall Street ran into trouble: The year after it went through, the loan servicer put it on a “watch list” because of concerns that the building wasn’t making sufficient profit to pay the debt service with enough of a margin. It stayed on the list for three months. (Trump’s company has continued making payments.)

As of 2018, the most recent year available, the building had never met the underwriters’ profit expectations, trailing by more than 8%, according to data from commercial real estate research service Trepp. Experts say that, given the amount of research underwriters do, a property typically meets their expectations fairly quickly.


The 40 Wall Street documents contain discrepancies related to costs as well as to occupancy. Generally, there are “more opportunities to play games on the expense side,” said Ron Shapiro, an assistant professor at Rutgers Business School and a former bank senior vice president, “particularly because there are many more kinds of expenses.”

Comparing specific expense items in both sets of records is challenging, because accountants may group categories differently in reports to tax and loan officials. But some differences on 40 Wall Street documents elicit head-scratching.

For example, insurance costs in 2017 were listed as $744,521 in tax documents and $457,414 in loan records.

Then there was the underlying lease. Trump technically doesn’t own 40 Wall Street. He pays the wealthy German family that owns the property for the right to rent the building to tenants. In 2015, both Trump’s report to tax authorities and a key loan disclosure document asserted that Trump’s company paid $1.65 million for these rights that year. But a line-by-line income and expense statement, which Trepp gathered from what the company reported to the loan servicer, reported the company paid about $1.24 million that year.

“I don’t know why that would be off,” said Jason Hoffman, who is chair of the real estate committee for a professional association of certified public accountants in New York state. Like other experts, he said there are legitimate reasons why tax and loan filings might not line up perfectly. But Hoffman said the firm where he works makes sure the numbers match when it prepares both tax and loan documents for a client — or that it can explain why if they don’t.

Financial information for the Trump International Hotel and Tower raises similar questions. Trump owns only a small portion of the building, which is located on Columbus Circle: two commercial spaces, which he rents out to a restaurant and a parking garage. Trump’s company told New York City tax officials it made about $822,000 renting space to commercial tenants there in 2017, records show. The company told loan officials it took in $1.67 million that year — more than twice as much. In eight years of data ProPublica examined for the Columbus Circle property, Trump’s company reported gross income to tax authorities that was typically only about 81% of what it reported to the lender.

Trump appeared to omit from tax documents income his company received from leasing space on the roof for television antennas, a ProPublica review found. The line on tax appeal forms for income from such communications equipment is blank on nine years of tax filings, even as loan documents listed the antennas as major sources of income.

Trump has an easement to lease the roof space; he doesn’t own it. But three tax experts, including Melanie Brock, an appraiser and paralegal who has worked on hundreds of New York City tax cases, told ProPublica that the income should still be reported on the tax appeals forms.

It’s hard to guess what might explain every inconsistency, said David Wilkes, a New York City tax lawyer who is chair of the National Association of Property Tax Attorneys. But, he added, “My gut reaction is it seems like there’s something amiss there.”

Tax records for Trump personally and for his business continue to be subjects of contention in multiple investigations. The Justice Department has intervened in the investigation by the Manhattan district attorney, whose office has sought Trump’s personal tax returns. Congressional lawmakers investigating his business dealings have sought documents from his longtime accountant, Donald Bender, a partner at Mazars. Trump is fighting the subpoenas in court. (Bender did not respond to requests for comment.)

Rep. Elijah Cummings, D-Md., chairman of the House Oversight Committee, has said the committee is seeking to determine if Cohen’s testimony about Trump inflating and deflating his assets was accurate. Cummings asked for Mazars’ records related to Trump entities, as well as communications between Bender and Trump or Trump employees since 2009.

Such communications, the subpoena stated, should include any related to potential concerns that information Trump or his representatives provided his accountants was “incomplete, inaccurate, or otherwise unsatisfactory.”

Title: Re: The Rudy Colludy Schadenfreude Thread
Post by: RE on October 16, 2019, 03:05:16 PM
Standing this up right here in honor of a man who deserves to. e passed around like a party favor at Rikers.

Is it Rudi's signature on the Tax documents or Trump's?  Are the loan documents signed by Trump or his Accounting firm?  If it's Trump's and happened in 2017, he was already POTUS.  He'll definitely get time in the  Doubt he will serve it at Rikers though.   Joint once he is out of office.  More likely some Federal Penitentiary with Tennis Courts and a Pool.

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Title: Re: The Rudy Colludy Schadenfreude Thread
Post by: Surly1 on October 16, 2019, 04:46:36 PM
Standing this up right here in honor of a man who deserves to. e passed around like a party favor at Rikers.

Is it Rudi's signature on the Tax documents or Trump's?  Are the loan documents signed by Trump or his Accounting firm?  If it's Trump's and happened in 2017, he was already POTUS.  He'll definitely get time in the  Doubt he will serve it at Rikers though.   Joint once he is out of office.  More likely some Federal Penitentiary with Tennis Courts and a Pool.

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Sure, Rikers is a city lockup. They'd probably send him to the Club Fed that they have Cohen in.
Title: Get ready for the Rudy Giuliani shit show of the century
Post by: Surly1 on October 17, 2019, 05:51:40 AM

Get ready for the Rudy Giuliani shit show of the century

Last night Rudy Giuliani announced that he no longer has a lawyer and no longer needs one, even amid reports that the SDNY has sifted through his banking records. Earlier today, yet another person tied to Rudy’s Ukraine extortion scandal was arrested. This afternoon it was revealed that Rudy is being targeted by an FBI counterintelligence investigation. Now things have taken yet another new turn.

Even as all of the above has been playing out, Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Lindsey Graham is formally inviting Rudy Giuliani to testify before his committee about the Ukraine scandal. We have no idea if Graham is doing this because he’s trying to help Rudy and/or Donald Trump, or if Graham is now trying find a way to sabotage Trump because he’s mad at him, or what. But the reality is that such a hearing can’t possibly help Trump or Rudy. In fact it would hurt them both badly.

It sure would make for great television, though, if it does happen and if it ends up being a public hearing. We’d have a completely unhinged Rudy Giuliani testifying before Congress under oath about a criminal plot that he and the President of the United States carried out against the United States – all with Rudy acting as his own legal counsel.

The federal government could sell tickets to this shit show, and they’d go for so much money, it could pay off the national debt. Not only would Rudy Giuliani put on an unhinged performance for the ages, he’d fully incriminate himself and Donald Trump in the process. Rudy would then be left needing to cut a plea deal, and perhaps needing an oxygen mask after all of his hyperventilating.

Title: Re: Get ready for the Rudy Giuliani shit show of the century
Post by: RE on October 17, 2019, 06:05:29 AM

Get ready for the Rudy Giuliani shit show of the century

Last night Rudy Giuliani announced that he no longer has a lawyer and no longer needs one, even amid reports that the SDNY has sifted through his banking records. Earlier today, yet another person tied to Rudy’s Ukraine extortion scandal was arrested. This afternoon it was revealed that Rudy is being targeted by an FBI counterintelligence investigation. Now things have taken yet another new turn.

Even as all of the above has been playing out, Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Lindsey Graham is formally inviting Rudy Giuliani to testify before his committee about the Ukraine scandal. We have no idea if Graham is doing this because he’s trying to help Rudy and/or Donald Trump, or if Graham is now trying find a way to sabotage Trump because he’s mad at him, or what. But the reality is that such a hearing can’t possibly help Trump or Rudy. In fact it would hurt them both badly.

It sure would make for great television, though, if it does happen and if it ends up being a public hearing. We’d have a completely unhinged Rudy Giuliani testifying before Congress under oath about a criminal plot that he and the President of the United States carried out against the United States – all with Rudy acting as his own legal counsel.

The federal government could sell tickets to this shit show, and they’d go for so much money, it could pay off the national debt. Not only would Rudy Giuliani put on an unhinged performance for the ages, he’d fully incriminate himself and Donald Trump in the process. Rudy would then be left needing to cut a plea deal, and perhaps needing an oxygen mask after all of his hyperventilating.


Kabuki Theater for the Ages!  Only to be topped by when the Donald himself is forced to testify, with the Sargeant-at-Arms grunts standing to either side of him.  Then the Perp Walk in the Orange Jumpsuit.  At least it matches his hairdo.  ::)

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Title: Re: Get ready for the Rudy Giuliani shit show of the century
Post by: RE on October 17, 2019, 06:17:01 AM
It sure would make for great television, though, if it does happen and if it ends up being a public hearing. We’d have a completely unhinged Rudy Giuliani testifying before Congress under oath about a criminal plot that he and the President of the United States carried out against the United States – all with Rudy acting as his own legal counsel.

They should hold the hearings at the Superdome.  Billionaires would pay $BILLIONS$ for the Sky Boxes.  $100M and up for a Box Seat.  Upper Deck Seats, $10M.

Cable TV/Livestream for the masses @ $1000 a pop.  I'd pay that, and I live on SS Security! lol.

Total Revenue: Minimum $200B.  Won't pay off the National Debt, but it should keep Food Stamps running for another year.

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Title: Re: The Rudy Colludy Schadenfreude Thread
Post by: Surly1 on October 18, 2019, 05:04:22 AM
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Rudy Giuliani apparently kept a log book of the crimes he committed for Donald Trump

Over the past week we’ve seen Rudy Giuliani’s Ukraine scandal henchmen arrested. We’ve seen multiple reports that the Feds have sifted through Rudy’s bank records, and that they therefore already know what illegal foreign payoffs he was taking and what crimes he was committing in return. Rudy is screwed. The question has been how much damage the case against Rudy might do to Donald Trump. It turns out Rudy may have written it all down.

Donald Trump’s longtime legal adviser Jay Goldberg appeared on the Ari Melber show on MSNBC on Thursday evening and said that “Rudy Giuliani likes to keep a log of the things that he’s doing” so he can show the progress to his clients. Goldberg went on to specify that he thinks there’s a log book out there when it comes to what Rudy was doing for Trump.

When Melber asked Goldberg the obvious question about whether his revelation about the log book might cause it to be subpoenaed, Goldberg backed down a bit and suggested that the log book might not be important enough to warrant a subpoena.

But make no mistake: once the SDNY gets word of what Goldberg just said about Rudy Giuliani’s log book of the crimes he was committing for Donald Trump, you can bet your bottom dollar that it’ll make every effort to obtain this log book (if it doesn’t have it already). The kicker is that Rudy is so far gone, the SDNY probably won’t have a hard time baiting him into blurting out where he keeps it hidden.

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Title: Re: The Rudy Colludy Schadenfreude Thread
Post by: RE on October 18, 2019, 05:28:43 AM
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Rudy Giuliani apparently kept a log book of the crimes he committed for Donald Trump

Over the past week we’ve seen Rudy Giuliani’s Ukraine scandal henchmen arrested. We’ve seen multiple reports that the Feds have sifted through Rudy’s bank records, and that they therefore already know what illegal foreign payoffs he was taking and what crimes he was committing in return. Rudy is screwed. The question has been how much damage the case against Rudy might do to Donald Trump. It turns out Rudy may have written it all down.

Donald Trump’s longtime legal adviser Jay Goldberg appeared on the Ari Melber show on MSNBC on Thursday evening and said that “Rudy Giuliani likes to keep a log of the things that he’s doing” so he can show the progress to his clients. Goldberg went on to specify that he thinks there’s a log book out there when it comes to what Rudy was doing for Trump.

When Melber asked Goldberg the obvious question about whether his revelation about the log book might cause it to be subpoenaed, Goldberg backed down a bit and suggested that the log book might not be important enough to warrant a subpoena.

But make no mistake: once the SDNY gets word of what Goldberg just said about Rudy Giuliani’s log book of the crimes he was committing for Donald Trump, you can bet your bottom dollar that it’ll make every effort to obtain this log book (if it doesn’t have it already). The kicker is that Rudy is so far gone, the SDNY probably won’t have a hard time baiting him into blurting out where he keeps it hidden.

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You would think by now these dopes would join the 21st Century and keep the dirty deals in an ecrypted file on a micro SD Card.  ::)

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Title: Re: The Rudy Colludy Schadenfreude Thread
Post by: Surly1 on October 18, 2019, 04:21:44 PM
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Rudy Giuliani apparently kept a log book of the crimes he committed for Donald Trump

Over the past week we’ve seen Rudy Giuliani’s Ukraine scandal henchmen arrested. We’ve seen multiple reports that the Feds have sifted through Rudy’s bank records, and that they therefore already know what illegal foreign payoffs he was taking and what crimes he was committing in return. Rudy is screwed. The question has been how much damage the case against Rudy might do to Donald Trump. It turns out Rudy may have written it all down.

Donald Trump’s longtime legal adviser Jay Goldberg appeared on the Ari Melber show on MSNBC on Thursday evening and said that “Rudy Giuliani likes to keep a log of the things that he’s doing” so he can show the progress to his clients. Goldberg went on to specify that he thinks there’s a log book out there when it comes to what Rudy was doing for Trump.

When Melber asked Goldberg the obvious question about whether his revelation about the log book might cause it to be subpoenaed, Goldberg backed down a bit and suggested that the log book might not be important enough to warrant a subpoena.

But make no mistake: once the SDNY gets word of what Goldberg just said about Rudy Giuliani’s log book of the crimes he was committing for Donald Trump, you can bet your bottom dollar that it’ll make every effort to obtain this log book (if it doesn’t have it already). The kicker is that Rudy is so far gone, the SDNY probably won’t have a hard time baiting him into blurting out where he keeps it hidden.

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You would think by now these dopes would join the 21st Century and keep the dirty deals in an ecrypted file on a micro SD Card.  ::)

RE

Apparently Trump doesn't even use email. Analog men adrift in a digital world.
Title: WHERE’S RUDY?
Post by: Surly1 on October 18, 2019, 05:40:06 PM
WHERE’S RUDY? (https://www.palmerreport.com/analysis/wheres-rudy/22063/)
Bill Palmer

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With his criminal co-conspirators having been arrested, his bank records having been reportedly examined by the Feds, and witnesses lining up around the block to tell the House impeachment inquiry about his crimes, all eyes are on Rudy Giuliani to see what his next move will be. Except our eyes aren’t on him.

Rudy Giuliani, a perpetual motormouth who never met a problem he didn’t think he could fix by blabbering about it, has gone and disappeared from public view. We can’t read much into his disappearance from TV airwaves alone, as it’s possible that legitimate cable news hosts have finally decided he’s too bonkers to keep booking, and his friends on TV are trying to protect him from himself at this point.

But it’s not just a television thing. Rudy, who had been defiantly tweeting several times per day as his Ukraine scandal was exploding, has now gone forty-eight hours without tweeting anything at all. Normally, when the Feds are closing in and the target suddenly goes quiet, it means their lawyer smartly told them to shut up and stop making thing worse. But one of the last things Rudy tweeted before going quiet was “At this time, I do not need a lawyer.” So there’s no one advising him on anything at this point.

To be clear, we don’t think Rudy Giuliani has fled the country or anything. Considering how adeptly the Feds were able to pick up Rudy’s associates while they were trying to flee, there’s clearly some kind electronic surveillance going on. So if Rudy tried to flee, they’d surely pick him up, and we’d all promptly hear about it. Instead, it looks like he’s simply hiding under his bed and pretending he’s not about to be arrested. When an eternal motormouth like Rudy Giuliani has been scared into silence, you know he knows he’s in trouble.
Title: Re: WHERE’S RUDY?
Post by: RE on October 19, 2019, 12:54:31 AM
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Title: Re: The Rudy Colludy Schadenfreude Thread
Post by: Surly1 on October 19, 2019, 02:18:25 AM
Rudy Giuliani caught trying to fraudulently obtain a visa as part of Donald Trump’s rapidly worsening Ukraine scandal (https://www.palmerreport.com/analysis/visa-rudy-giuliani-caught-donald-trump-ukraine/22080/?fbclid=IwAR3136lvYQLdIzDi9fi1znfOmTY4h-D6UdpyWQZkW_6-LZNhXQDQ3KsL8qM)
Bill Palmer

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Earlier this week it was reported that Rudy Giuliani tried to convince Donald Trump to scoop up a guy in Pennsylvania and deport him to Turkey under fraudulent circumstances. Now it turns out Rudy also tried to bring someone into the United States for fraudulent reasons, as the Trump-Giuliani Ukraine scandal continues to unfold in surreal new ways.

Rudy Giuliani was so obsessed with disgraced former Ukrainian prosecutor Viktor Shokin, he tried to get the guy a visa so he could travel to the United States and help spread the phony Biden scandal. State Department official George Kent got wind of this visa scheme and testified about it to the House impeachment inquiry, according to a startling new report tonight from CNN. This makes for a far broader, and far more criminal, Ukraine scandal than anyone knew. It also places the scandal right in the laps of Donald Trump and Secretary of State Mike Pompeo.

U.S. Ambassador Gordon Sondland already testified yesterday that Donald Trump told him and others that Rudy Giuliani was in charge of all Ukraine policy. This means that Trump was overseeing what Rudy was doing, and was a full participant in the criminal conspiracy. There is also no way that Rudy would have asked the State Department to get a visa for his Ukrainian goon, unless he was expecting Pompeo to greenlight it.

Interestingly, CNN says that Rudy Giuliani didn’t even bother to respond to the questions that it sent him about the visa story. This falls in line with Palmer Report’s earlier analysis that Rudy has simply disappeared, with no message, no lawyers, and no plan, as he waits to be arrested by the Feds in this rapidly worsening criminal scandal.
Title: Re: The Rudy Colludy Schadenfreude Thread
Post by: RE on October 19, 2019, 03:02:06 AM
The plot thickens...

Wonder where Rudi is hiding out?

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Title: 3 big reasons why Rudy Giuliani is the weakest link in Trump's inner circle
Post by: Surly1 on October 19, 2019, 01:52:07 PM
Trump's Presidency has hit an iceberg named Rudy.

3 big reasons why Rudy Giuliani is the weakest link in Trump's inner circle as the Ukraine scandal widens (https://www.businessinsider.com/rudy-giuliani-weak-link-trump-ukraine-scandal-2019-10)

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Sonam Sheth
6 hours ago
  • Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani is increasingly emerging as the weakest link in the ongoing scandal over President Donald Trump's dealings with Ukraine for three main reasons.
  • Giuliani has been implicated by several government officials as Trump's main envoy in an effort to solicit Ukraine's interference in the 2020 election.
  • He is also under criminal investigation by the US attorney's office in the Southern District of New York over his role in the ouster of a top US diplomat in Ukraine.
  • And it recently emerged that the investigation includes a counterintelligence probe, a stunning revelation that could change the entire nature of the inquiry.
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He's a prolific TV presence, he relentlessly goes to bat for President Donald Trump, he swats down Trump's enemies, and he's the fixer Trump dispatched on a personal mission that has ignited a political firestorm.

Rudy Giuliani is the new Michael Cohen.

And like the now-incarcerated Cohen, it recently surfaced that Giuliani is under criminal investigation by the US attorney's office in the Southern District of New York.

The news is just the latest development indicating that Giuliani is the biggest weak link in the brewing Trump-Ukraine saga.

At the heart of the controversy are Trump's and Giuliani's efforts to leverage US foreign policy to pressure Ukraine to launch investigations that would politically benefit the president.

Read more:These are the key players you need to know to make sense of the Trump impeachment inquiry

In particular, the president wants the Ukrainian government to investigate Burisma Holdings — a Ukrainian natural gas company associated with former Vice President Joe Biden's son — and an unfounded conspiracy theory that the Democratic Party colluded with Ukraine to interfere in the 2016 election.

Trump raised the issue during a July 25 phone call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky. The president ordered his administration to hold a nearly $400 million military-aid package to Ukraine days before the call.

During the conversation, Trump reminded Zelensky the US "does a lot for Ukraine" and followed up by asking him to "do us a favor, though," and investigate the Bidens and the origins of the Russia probe.

The details of the phone call, outlined in an unprecedented whistleblower complaint against Trump, sparked public outrage and allegations that the president and his lawyer were soliciting foreign interference in the upcoming election.

But the phone call was just one thread in Trump's and Giuliani's plan. They had put the wheels in motion months before.

Former U.S. ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch, arrives on Capitol Hill, Friday, Oct. 11, 2019, in Washington, as she is scheduled to testify before congressional lawmakers on Friday as part of the House impeachment inquiry into President Donald Trump
Scott J. Applewhite/AP

Giuliani v. Yovanovitch

In the spring, Giuliani gave Secretary of State Mike Pompeo a folder, dated March 28, of unfounded conspiracies against the Bidens, as well as allegations of impropriety against Marie Yovanovitch, then the US's ambassador to Ukraine.

In many ways, Yovanovitch is the central thread in the Giuliani-Ukraine scandal. She was abruptly recalled from her position in May after a tumultuous stint that included frequent clashes with Giuliani.

Their main disagreement stemmed from her refusal to facilitate the former New York mayor's efforts to use official channels to push the Ukrainian government to dig up damaging information on the Bidens. Yovanovitch was also opposed to Yuriy Lutsenko, then the Ukrainian prosecutor general who was in cahoots with Giuliani.

"She refused to allow her embassy to be dragged into some sort of effort to concoct dirt for political purposes," a former official told The Guardian.

Yovanovitch testified to Congress that she was removed based on "unfounded and false claims by people with clearly questionable motives" and that the campaign against her was spearheaded by Trump and Giuliani beginning last spring.

Read more:8 Trump officials made stunning revelations about how the president and Giuliani weaponized the State Department

Now, Yovanovitch's ouster is the focus of the SDNY's investigation into Giuliani. Specifically, prosecutors are looking at whether Giuliani was working on Lutsenko's behalf while trying to get Yovanovitch removed; if he was, it may have violated foreign lobbying laws.

Prosecutors are also interested in Giuliani's business interests in Ukraine. Giuliani's entanglement in the SDNY's probe first came out when two of his Ukrainian associates, the businessmen Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman, were arrested and charged last week with campaign-finance violations.

The two men are accused of trying to funnel foreign money into Republican political campaigns, and Parnas in particular also worked as Giuliani's fixer in Ukraine, where he focused on looking for dirt on Biden and Yovanovitch.

Parnas and Fruman's efforts on Giuliani's behalf also had a domestic thread. This week, the former GOP congressman Pete Sessions was subpoenaed in the SDNY investigation to turn over documents and other information about his interactions with Giuliani.

It's unclear what exactly Sessions' role is in the Ukraine saga, but the indictment against Parnas and Fruman could offer some clues. The charging document said the two men dangled an illegal campaign donation to a US congressman while looking for their "assistance in causing the US government to remove or recall the then-US ambassador to Ukraine."

In May 2018, around the time when Parnas and Fruman promised to raise $20,000 for the unidentified congressman, Sessions wrote a letter to Pompeo criticizing Yovanovitch and parroting right-wing talking points that she was working against Trump. A year later, Yovanovitch was recalled from Ukraine following what she characterized as a smear campaign by Giuliani, Trump, and others.

Read more:Mick Mulvaney publicly confirms Trump held up Ukraine aid for political gain

Multiple officials implicate Giuliani for running a shadow foreign-policy campaign

Giuliani's outsize role in the Ukraine controversy has puzzled ethics experts and government officials, given that he is the president's personal lawyer and a private citizen.

Those concerns doubled after the release of explosive text messages between three US diplomats — the former Special Representative to Ukraine Kurt Volker, the US's ambassador to the EU Gordon Sondland, and the US's chargé d'affaires in the Ukrainian embassy Bill Taylor — that showed just how intricately involved Giuliani was in running a shadow foreign policy campaign to help Trump's political ambitions.

It didn't hurt that Volker and Sondland were willing participants in Giuliani's efforts.

Read more:Gordon Sondland, a central figure in the Ukraine scandal, threw Trump and Giuliani under the bus in his opening statement to Congress

Volker was instrumental in setting up a channel of communication between Giuliani and Andriy Yermak, a key aide to Zelensky. And he and Sondland were both enthusiastic about helping Giuliani convey to the Ukrainian president that a good relationship with Trump was predicated on Ukraine pursuing politically motivated investigations against Trump's opponents.

When Taylor, the skeptic of the group and a career foreign-service officer, raised concerns about the US withholding military aid and conditioning a White House meeting on Zelensky caving to Trump's demands, he was shut down by Sondland.

Sondland and Volker have testified as part of Congress' impeachment inquiry into Trump, and both implicated Giuliani as being the president's main envoy with respect to Ukraine while distancing themselves from the controversy. Taylor is set to appear before lawmakers on Tuesday.

At least half a dozen other officials have also testified about the extent of Giuliani's involvement in Trump's pressure campaign on Ukraine.

Read more:Trump's presidency is disintegrating as he faces his worst 30 days since taking office

Former Mayor of New York Rudolph Giuliani during the Conference In Support Of Freedom and Democracy In Iran on June 30, 2018 in Paris, France. The speakers declared their support for the Iranian peoples uprising and the democratic alternative, the National Council of Resistance of Iran and called on the international community to adopt a firm policy against the mullahs regime and stand by the arisen people of Iran.
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FBI sees Giuliani as a possible national security threat

Meanwhile, it recently surfaced that the criminal investigation into Giuliani also includes a counterintelligence component, a stunning revelation that could change the whole nature of the probe.

CNN reported on Wednesday that FBI investigators approached Kevin McCallion, an attorney in New York, earlier this year to ask about Giuliani's link to Parnas and Fruman and his business dealings in Ukraine.

Jeffrey Cramer, a longtime former federal prosecutor who spent 12 years at the Justice Department, told Insider the existence of a counterintelligence probe means investigators are "casting a wide net."

"Cases like these, and they aren't common, usually involve multiple schemes and numerous players," Cramer said. "As such, they touch upon many different possible criminal violations."

Read more:Rudy Giuliani urged Trump to turn over an exiled Muslim cleric to Erdogan, raising concerns that he was lobbying for Turkey

Asha Rangappa, a former FBI special agent, wrote on Twitter that the existence of a counterintelligence investigation into Giuliani indicates that the FBI believes "he may pose a national security threat to the United States."

Such investigations aren't rooted in suspicions that someone violated US laws, but rather in concerns that the individual was in contact with people linked to foreign intelligence, or that they're working to further the interests of a foreign power in the US, Rangappa added.

The bar for opening this type of investigation into Giuliani, who is a US national and the president's personal lawyer, is also higher than it is for probing foreign individuals.

"So basically, the FBI thinks something bad — and likely not 'unwitting' — is up," Rangappa wrote. "That Giuliani is a conduit for pushing the agendas of foreign intelligence and/or foreign interests."

Title: Re: 3 big reasons why Rudy Giuliani is the weakest link in Trump's inner circle
Post by: RE on October 19, 2019, 02:49:01 PM
Trump's Presidency has hit an iceberg named Rudy.

Assuming of course Rudi is still alive.

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Title: Re: WHERE’S RUDY?
Post by: RE on October 20, 2019, 01:01:53 AM
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Title: 🤪 Justice Department Issues Statement That Cuts Giuliani’s Credibility: NYT
Post by: RE on October 21, 2019, 01:46:57 AM
He had credibility to cut?  ???   :icon_sunny:

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Justice Department Issues Statement That Cuts Giuliani’s Credibility: NYT
Audrey McNamara

Published 10.20.19 9:26PM ET

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Aram Roston/Reuters

The Justice Department on Sunday offered an unusual statement that essentially distances the attorney general’s office from Rudy Giuliani, President Trump’s personal attorney, The New York Times reports. Peter Carr, a DOJ spokesman said Brian Benczkowski, head of the Justice Department’s Criminal Division, and other officials, would not have met with Giuliani had they known his associates—Ukrainian businessmen Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman—were under investigation by officials in New York. “When Mr. Benczkowski and fraud section lawyers met with Mr. Giuliani, they were not aware of any investigation of Mr. Giuliani’s associates in the Southern District of New York and would not have met with him had they known,” Carr said. The statement appears to be a signal from the DOJ that they will no longer cooperate with Giuliani, and undercuts the narrative that the former mayor of New York is influential in Washington.

Read it at New York Times
ACTING CONCIERGE
Mulvaney: Trump’s ‘Surprised’ at G7 Pushback, ‘Still Considers Himself to Be in the Hospitality Business’
Justin Baragona
Updated 10.20.19 11:09AM ET /
Published 10.20.19 10:24AM ET

Acting White House Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney, the Trump hand tasked with announcing that next year’s G7 summit was to be held at Donald Trump’s Doral resort, addressed the president’s Saturday night announcement reversing his decision. With the president blaming the media and “Irrational Hostility” from Democrats for the cancellation, Mulvaney was asked by Fox News Sunday anchor Chris Wallace why the president “caved” to the backlash.

“I honestly think what you saw in the tweet was real,” the chief of staff replied. “He was honestly surprised at the level of pushback. At the end of the day, you know, he still considers himself to be in the hospitality business, and he saw an opportunity to take the biggest leaders from around the world and he wanted to put on the absolute best show, the best visit that he possibly could.”

Pressing Mulvaney on his description of the president being in the “hospitality business,” Wallace asked if Trump understood why it “looked lousy.” prompting Mulvaney to say: “I think he thinks people think it looks lousy.”
Title: Re: The Rudy Colludy Schadenfreude Thread
Post by: Surly1 on October 22, 2019, 08:01:23 PM
Rudy Giuliani just screwed up and admitted that Donald Trump’s Ukraine scandal involved a whole bunch of Kremlin oligarchs (https://www.palmerreport.com/analysis/rudy-giuliani-oligarchs-screwed-up/22217/)

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Bill Palmer

Over the weekend Palmer Report noted that Rudy Giuliani had gone remarkably quiet as it became clear that the SDNY was closing in on federal criminal charges against him for his role in Donald Trump’s Ukraine scandal. Now Rudy has decided to open his mouth in response to a newspaper article, and let’s just say that Rudy (and Trump) would have been a lot better off if Rudy had remained quiet.

The trouble for Rudy Giuliani is that his two recently arrested henchmen, Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman, lead directly back to imprisoned Kremlin oligarch Dmitry Firtash. Giuliani admits he was on the payroll of Parnas’ company, and in turn it’s been reported that Parnas was on Firtash’s payroll. In other words, the Trump-Giuliani Ukraine scam was being at least partly funded by a Kremlin oligarch.

This evening the Washington Post reported that the SDNY case against Giuliani, Parnas, and Fruman ended up intersecting with a separate federal case in Chicago against Firtash. This tells us something about how the scandal was uncovered, but it doesn’t necessarily tell us much about the nature of the scandal itself. Then there’s the quote that Giuliani provided.

Rudy told the WaPo that he never directly worked for Dmitry Firtash as part of his Ukraine antics. But then Rudy added this: “I did sort of look at Firtash to see if he had any relevant information … As far as I can tell, he didn’t. I looked at maybe 20 of these oligarchs.”

Wait a minute here. Immediately after claiming that he never tried to do anything with Dmitry Firtash, Rudy Giuliani then admitted that he tried to involve as many as twenty Kremlin oligarchs in Donald Trump’s Ukraine scandal. Nancy Pelosi recently said that with Trump, all roads lead to Putin. She wasn’t kidding. Rudy probably just did federal prosecutors a big favor by alerting them that they should dig into his involvement with every Kremlin oligarch out there.
Title: Re: The Rudy Colludy Schadenfreude Thread
Post by: RE on October 22, 2019, 08:14:40 PM
Rudy Giuliani just screwed up and admitted that Donald Trump’s Ukraine scandal involved a whole bunch of Kremlin oligarchs (https://www.palmerreport.com/analysis/rudy-giuliani-oligarchs-screwed-up/22217/)

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Bill Palmer

Over the weekend Palmer Report noted that Rudy Giuliani had gone remarkably quiet as it became clear that the SDNY was closing in on federal criminal charges against him for his role in Donald Trump’s Ukraine scandal. Now Rudy has decided to open his mouth in response to a newspaper article, and let’s just say that Rudy (and Trump) would have been a lot better off if Rudy had remained quiet.

The trouble for Rudy Giuliani is that his two recently arrested henchmen, Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman, lead directly back to imprisoned Kremlin oligarch Dmitry Firtash. Giuliani admits he was on the payroll of Parnas’ company, and in turn it’s been reported that Parnas was on Firtash’s payroll. In other words, the Trump-Giuliani Ukraine scam was being at least partly funded by a Kremlin oligarch.

This evening the Washington Post reported that the SDNY case against Giuliani, Parnas, and Fruman ended up intersecting with a separate federal case in Chicago against Firtash. This tells us something about how the scandal was uncovered, but it doesn’t necessarily tell us much about the nature of the scandal itself. Then there’s the quote that Giuliani provided.

Rudy told the WaPo that he never directly worked for Dmitry Firtash as part of his Ukraine antics. But then Rudy added this: “I did sort of look at Firtash to see if he had any relevant information … As far as I can tell, he didn’t. I looked at maybe 20 of these oligarchs.”

Wait a minute here. Immediately after claiming that he never tried to do anything with Dmitry Firtash, Rudy Giuliani then admitted that he tried to involve as many as twenty Kremlin oligarchs in Donald Trump’s Ukraine scandal. Nancy Pelosi recently said that with Trump, all roads lead to Putin. She wasn’t kidding. Rudy probably just did federal prosecutors a big favor by alerting them that they should dig into his involvement with every Kremlin oligarch out there.

So Rudi's alive! lol.

In his defense, I don't agree with BP on this too much.  The fact RG looked into 20 Oligarchs as possible sources for dirt doesn't mean he ever had any contact with them.  The only one (so far) with a clear link is Firtash.  Plus I am sure the investigators needed to tell them to look into connections with other oligarchs, all of whom they know already.

AS for Rudi though, he digs himself a bigger hole with every tweet.  One wonders at this point when they'll put out a warrant for his arrest. ???  :icon_scratch:

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Title: Re: The Rudy Colludy Schadenfreude Thread
Post by: Surly1 on October 23, 2019, 07:22:48 AM

AS for Rudi though, he digs himself a bigger hole with every tweet.  One wonders at this point when they'll put out a warrant for his arrest. ???  :icon_scratch:

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Only SDNY knows. And Jeffrey Berman ain't talking yet.
Since Berman works for Barr, I wonder how he is getting away with his proceedings, especially as Barr snapped the spine of Robert Mueller.
Title: Rudy Giuliani’s henchmen just went into court and claimed they work for Pud
Post by: Surly1 on October 23, 2019, 11:00:03 AM
Rudy Giuliani’s henchmen just went into court and claimed they work for Donald Trump (https://www.palmerreport.com/analysis/court-henchmen-rudy-giuliani-donald-trump-work/22234/)

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t’s been clear for awhile now that the arrests of Ukraine scandal henchmen Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman were going to be bad news for Rudy Giuliani. Now that the two men have appeared in court today, it’s become clear that their arrests are indeed bad news for Donald Trump as well.

In their first court appearance this morning, Parnas and Fruman tried to block potential evidence against them by claiming that it’s covered under executive privilege. There are obviously a few things wrong here. Underlings can’t be the ones to invoke executive privilege; only the president can invoke it. Also, executive privilege does not extend to cover potentially criminal acts. But there’s one key detail here that shouldn’t be overlooked.

The thing about executive privilege is that it only exists between the president and his underlings. The president can claim that it applies to government employees who work under him in the White House. He can also claim that it applies to his personal attorneys and such. There are grey areas in all of this, and it generally ends up being decided by the courts. But by attempting to invoke executive privilege in court, Parnas and Fruman are asserting that they have, past or present, worked under Trump.

We all know that Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman weren’t White House advisers on the government payroll at any point. So this means they’re asserting, as a formal legal defense, that they work directly for Donald Trump. This isn’t going to go well for anyone involved.
Title: Oh come on, Rudy
Post by: Surly1 on October 24, 2019, 04:23:11 AM
Oh come on, Rudy
 (https://www.palmerreport.com/analysis/oh-come-on-rudy-giuliani/22265/)
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About a week ago, Rudy Giuliani learned through the media that he’s the target of a federal criminal investigation that’s already snared his henchmen Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman. This prompted Rudy to part ways with the attorney who had been representing him in the impeachment inquiry, and announce on Twitter that he doesn’t need a lawyer going forward.

This made sense to no one but Rudy, of course. He’s going to be indicted and arrested, and he’ll need a criminal defense attorney to represent him at the resulting court proceedings. Even if Donald Trump were to pardon Rudy on federal charges, New York State would presumably sweep in with parallel state level charges, and Rudy would still end up arrested and on trial. That’s on top of the court battle he’ll be fighting over the House impeachment inquiry subpoena.

There was no scenario in which Rudy wasn’t going to need a lawyer unless he was planning to represent himself, which meant he must have been planning to represent himself. That would be an absurd and self defeating move, but Rudy is all about absurd and self defeating moves. But when Parnas and Fruman appeared in court on Wednesday, they tried to invoke executive privilege, which is a clever way of dragging Donald Trump into their trial and making the whole thing his problem.

Shortly thereafter, Palmer Report noted that Rudy Giuliani finally came to life on Twitter after a prolonged quiet period, and made a point of asserting that all of his actions with regard to Ukraine were on Trump’s behalf. In other words, if Lev and Igor are making their crimes Trump’s problem, so is Rudy. After Rudy posted that tweet, CNN reported that he’s now looking for a lawyer after all. So what’s going on here? To borrow Trump’s words, you’d have to ask Rudy.

Title: We had it all backwards about Rudy Giuliani’s henchmen
Post by: Surly1 on October 25, 2019, 10:29:12 AM
We had it all backwards about Rudy Giuliani’s henchmen (https://www.palmerreport.com/analysis/henchmen-backwards-rudy-giuliani/22311/)

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In the months since we first learned that Rudy Giuliani was running around Ukraine trying to promote fake scandals about the Bidens, we’ve all been asking the same question. How could someone as mentally and cognitively challenged as Giuliani be the mastermind behind a scheme like this? Sure, it was stupid, idiotic scheme that was guaranteed to fail. But still, putting together even something this dumb would have required a bit of organized thought, and Rudy’s TV appearances have made clear that he can barely remember where he’s at or who he is.

Even when Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman were first arrested in the Ukraine scandal, observers on all sides – including us – initially presumed that they were Rudy Giuliani’s henchmen. After all, these were just two nobodies, while Rudy was, well, Rudy. Sure, he’s devolved into some weird sad mix of mostly senile and completely hallucinatory. But he’s still the former Mayor of New York, the current lawyer for the President of the United States, and so on. This had to be his scheme, and these two stooges had to have been working for him. Except, no.

After the arrests, Rudy Giuliani admitted that he took a half million dollars from a company run by Lev Parnas. It’s separately been reported that Parnas works for Kremlin oligarch Dmitry Firtash. There’s a reason you follow the money in these kinds of scandals: it dictates who’s working for whom. If Parnas is a henchman working for Firtash, that makes Rudy a bottom-rung henchman working for Firtash’s henchman Parnas.

Why does this matter? Rudy Giuliani is going down either way. But it’s important for everyone involved to keep in mind that this whole thing wasn’t just some braindead scheme that Rudy randomly drew up on the back of a napkin and then sold Donald Trump on. This was a scheme being run and funded by a Kremlin oligarch. Rudy was just a pawn, or a go-between for the Kremlins oligarch and Trump. This Ukraine scandal isn’t just echoing the Trump-Russia 2016 election scandal; it appears to be a continuation of the Trump-Russia scandal.
Title: Rudy Giuliani has utterly psychotic meltdown about Colonel Vindman
Post by: Surly1 on October 29, 2019, 04:18:47 PM
Rudy Giuliani has utterly psychotic meltdown about Colonel Vindman (https://www.palmerreport.com/analysis/rudy-giuliani-colonel-vindman-meltdown/22465/)
Bill Palmer

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Based on what’s been publicly released thus far, and based on Donald Trump’s reaction on Twitter, it’s already clear that Lieutenant Colonel Alexander Vindman’s impeachment testimony is devastating for Trump. Based on what’s coming out of Rudy Giuliani’s crypt right now, it’s becoming clear that Rudy is also more than a bit fearful of the Colonel’s testimony.

Rudy Giuliani had largely remained quiet since his Ukraine scandal co-conspirators Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman were arrested, and word surfaced that Rudy himself is the current target of the federal criminal investigation. But when Colonel Vindman came forward to testify,
Rudy sprang to life and tweeted this lie-filled and completely incoherent screed:

ANOTHER SCHIFFTY BACKFIRE: A US gov. employee who has reportedly been advising two gov’s? No wonder he is confused and feels pressure. However the only opinion that legally counts is Pres. Zelensky’s. Who has clearly said NO pressure. End of impeachment. End of Schiff.

Uh, okay then. To be clear, Colonel Vindman has absolutely not been advising two governments. And we have no idea why Rudy Giuliani thinks that this imaginary revelation is somehow the “end of impeachment” or the end of Adam Schiff. Meanwhile, back in the real world, Rudy just gave away how truly desperate, frantic, and psychologically fractured he truly is. This comes after Giuliani had a meltdown late last night (https://www.palmerreport.com/analysis/rudy-giuliiani-ben-laden/22457/) about someone named “Ben Laden.”
Title: IGOR STRIKES OUT
Post by: Surly1 on November 02, 2019, 04:10:20 AM
IGOR STRIKES OUT (https://www.palmerreport.com/analysis/igor-strikes-out/22568/)

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Over the past few days, Rudy Giuliani has made clear that his legal strategy now consists of yelling increasingly incoherent things on Twitter, and hoping it somehow magically keeps him from getting arrested. One of the things to watch is whether Rudy’s recently arrested co-conspirators Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman end up concluding they need to flip on him.

Last week the news surfaced that the Feds have subpoenaed Igor’s brother to testify against him, in an apparent attempt at forcing Igor to cut a plea deal. We’re presuming that sidekick Igor would flip on money-man Lev, who would then have to flip on screeching rat turd Rudy. But Igor had a clever idea for not having to flip on anyone: he would simply go into court today and argue that they should let him go. No, really, this was his strategy.

Igor Fruman’s legal team argued in court today that his ankle monitor should be removed because he’s not a flight risk. As flagged by Raw Story and BuzzFeed, the judge took one look at the fact that Igor was arrested while attempting to leave the country on a one-way flight, and – presumably after stifling a laugh – rejected the request.

This is a procedural development, but it matters in the sense that Lev and Igor are already resorting to absurd legal maneuvers that have virtually zero chance of working, which means they don’t think they have a snowball’s chance of winning at trial. Once Igor strikes out on a few more of these nonsense moves, he may conclude it’s time to go ahead and flip on the others.
Title: Giuliani needed help to unlock iPhone after being named Trump cybersecurity czar
Post by: Surly1 on November 02, 2019, 04:17:47 AM
Giuliani needed Apple genius help to unlock his iPhone after being named Trump cybersecurity adviser (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/rudy-giuliani-needed-apple-genius-help-unlock-his-iphone-after-n1074241)

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Oct. 31, 2019, 12:18 PM EDT
Less than a month after he was named President Donald Trump’s cybersecurity adviser in 2017, Rudy Giuliani walked into an Apple store in downtown San Francisco.

He wasn’t looking for a new gadget. Giuliani was looking for help.

He was locked out of his iPhone because he had forgotten the passcode and entered the wrong one at least 10 times, according to two people familiar with the matter and a photo of an internal Apple store memo obtained by NBC News.

“Very sloppy,” said one of the people, a former Apple store employee who was there on the day that Giuliani stopped by in February 2017.

“Trump had just named him as an informal adviser on cybersecurity and here, he couldn’t even master the fundamentals of securing your own device.”

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Notes from an internal application that Apple uses for their service tickets show that Rudolph Giuliani came in with a disabled phone. Some personal information in the photo has been obscured by NBC News.Acquired by NBC News
A forgotten password is among the most common missteps in the digital age.

But Giuliani’s handling of the situation calls into question his understanding of basic security measures and raises the prospect that, as someone in the president's inner circle, his electronic devices are especially vulnerable to hackers, two former FBI cyber experts told NBC News.

“There’s no way he should be going to a commercial location to ask for that assistance,” said E.J. Hilbert, a former FBI agent for cybercrime and terrorism.

Michael Anaya, a former FBI supervisory special agent who led a cyber squad for four years, reacted with astonishment when told about Giuliani’s Apple store visit.

“That’s crazy,” he said.

Anaya said someone in Giuliani’s position should never allow a person he didn’t know to access his device.

“You’re trusting that person in the store not to look at other information that is beyond what you’re there to get assistance for,” said Anaya, who now works as the head of global investigations for the DEVCON cybersecurity firm. "That’s a lot of trust you’re putting into an individual that you don’t know.”

Anaya said protocols should be in place so White House staffers, not random Apple store employees, are the ones who help Giuliani deal with any technical issues related to his phone.

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“It’s unnerving to think that this individual has access to the most powerful person in the world and that sensitive communications could be disclosed to people who should not have access to them,” Anaya said.

Giuliani responded to the story seven hours after it was published.

"Hey @NBCNews, last I checked the FBI, last year, had to ask Apple to unlock an iPhone too!" Giuliani said in a tweet that went on to reference the fact that it was Halloween night. "We’re all human, just maybe not tonight."

A jack-o-lantern emoji was added to the end of the tweet.

The previously undisclosed Apple store episode adds a new chapter to the chronicles of Giuliani’s tech follies.

NBC News reported last week that Giuliani twice butt-dialed one of its reporters, leaving long voicemail messages in which he is heard discussing the Bidens, business in Bahrain and his need for cash.

Both of the accidental calls were made in the hours after Giuliani had spoken with the reporter.

In the first voicemail message left on Sept. 28, Giuliani can be heard bashing Joe Biden and his son Hunter, as well as recounting his effort to push Ukraine to launch an investigation into the Bidens. The second recording, left on Oct. 16, captured Giuliani talking to an unidentified man about Bahrain.

“The problem is we need some money,” Giuliani says in the voicemail message. “We need a few hundred thousand.”

Giuliani’s effort to push Ukrainian officials to investigate Joe Biden has made him a key figure in the impeachment inquiry playing out in Washington. Despite being the president's personal lawyer, Giuliani is not a White House employee and has said he doesn't have security clearance.

Spurred by the recordings, Sen. Kamala Harris, D-Calif., a presidential candidate, is planning to send a letter to the State Department inspector general Thursday demanding an expanded investigation into Giuliani’s overseas activities, Harris’s office told NBC News.

Harris noted in a draft of the letter that Giuliani was “recently overheard discussing suspicious financial arrangements in Bahrain and Turkey.”

“These reports raise a number of serious concerns, especially given allegations that Mr. Giuliani is running a ‘shadow foreign policy,’” Harris added in the draft letter, obtained by NBC News.

Giuliani was named Trump’s cybersecurity adviser on Jan. 12, 2017, an informal position outside of the government.

“This is a rapidly evolving field both as to intrusions and solutions and it is critically important to get timely information from all sources,” the presidential transition office said in a statement on that day. “Mr. Giuliani was asked to initiate this process because of his long and very successful government career in law enforcement and his now sixteen years of work providing security solutions in the private sector.”

Exactly 26 days later, Giuliani was among a group of people standing outside the Apple store in San Francisco’s Union Square neighborhood before its doors swung open at 10 a.m., according to a former store employee.

“Stores send out a preliminary scout about 15 minutes before the store opens, in order to try to organize the queues for the day,” the ex-employee said. “Rudy G. came across. I forget if I heard it via walkie-talkie, word of mouth, or the software that organized the appointment system.”

The Apple store internal memo explained what happened next.

“Customer came in with an iPhone that had a forgotten passcode and the phone had been disabled,” reads the memo, time stamped 11:20 a.m. on Feb. 7, 2017.

“Proceeded with DFU (device firmware update) restore and will set up the phone again from a current iCloud backup.”

In less technical terms, Giuliani’s phone had to be erased and set up as new because it locked him out after the wrong passcode was entered multiple times.

An NBC News review of the metadata of the photo showing the internal memo — the time and location information embedded in most digital photos — confirmed that it was taken on Feb. 7, 2017, inside the Apple store in San Francisco's Union Square. In addition to the former store employee, a second person familiar with the matter confirmed that Giuliani came to the store that day to get help restoring his disabled iPhone.

The device is listed on the internal memo as an out-of-warranty iPhone 6.

The name on the memo is Rudolph Giuliani. The phone number is connected to his consulting firm Giuliani Partners. And the personal email address he gave to the Apple store includes elements of his personal life.

NBC News sent an email to that personal address Wednesday afternoon with the name of this reporter below a brief message: “Mr. Giuliani — Trying to get in touch with you.”

Two minutes later, a one-word message from the email account landed in the reporter’s inbox: “Why?”

A follow-up email — explaining the details of this article and asking for a response — was not returned. A text message to Giuliani’s cellphone also went unreturned.

Apple did not return a request for comment.

In interviews, the two former FBI cyber experts said the two incidents taken together — Giuliani’s butt dials and reliance on Apple workers to help him reboot his phone — indicate a lax approach to mobile phone security.

“I can understand if you’re an auto mechanic or even a lawyer that these issues are not first and foremost in your mind,” Anaya said. “But I would like to think that for somebody that close to the president, this would be something they would take seriously.”

Anaya said the possibility that Giuliani might be using a personal phone for sensitive communications with the president and others would make him a prime target for foreign hackers.

“If I were a nation-state actor and that information became available to me, one of the first things I’d do is try to install some piece of malicious software that would allow us to see everything that comes in and out of that device,” Anaya said.

Hilbert said he’s also troubled by the fact that Giuliani’s cellphone data is backed up to Apple's iCloud system, even if the former New York City mayor largely uses it as his personal phone.

“All of his stuff is literally sitting in Apple systems,” Hilbert said. “It makes him very vulnerable.”

“His argument could be: ‘This is my personal phone. It’s not a big deal. I don’t use it for work,’” Hilbert added. “My response to that would be in all my years of doing this I’ve never had a case where an individual says, 'This is my personal device and we didn’t find work stuff on it.'”
Title: Re: IGOR STRIKES OUT
Post by: RE on November 02, 2019, 10:16:11 AM
Over the past few days, Rudy Giuliani has made clear that his legal strategy now consists of yelling increasingly incoherent things on Twitter, and hoping it somehow magically keeps him from getting arrested.

What I want to know is why he hasn't been arrested already?  ???   :icon_scratch:

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Title: Giuliani’s henchmen wanted him to star in infomercials for Fraud Guarantee
Post by: Surly1 on November 06, 2019, 07:01:55 AM
REVEALED: Giuliani’s henchmen wanted him to star in infomercials for sketchy Fraud Guarantee company (https://www.rawstory.com/2019/11/revealed-giulianis-henchmen-wanted-him-to-star-in-infomercials-for-sketchy-fraud-guarantee-company/)

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Lev Parnas and David Correia, two henchmen of Trump attorney Rudy Giuliani who were arrested last month on campaign finance charges, wanted to enlist the former New York mayor to star in a series of infomercials for their fraud-prevention company called Fraud Guarantee.

The Daily Beast reports that the two henchmen “had plans to expand Giuliani’s role with the company” that included “a television infomercial featuring Giuliani extolling the virtues of Fraud Guarantee and its services.”

The initial plan was to have Giuliani start shooting Fraud Guarantee infomercials after the conclusion of special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election.

Those plans have since been scuttled given the legal troubles now facing the company’s founders. What’s more, as the Wall Street Journal reported last week, the company had “no identifiable customers,” so it’s questionable how serious the company was about expanding its commercial appeal.

The name “Fraud Guarantee” has become a running joke after it was revealed that the company was allegedly used to fraudulently funnel illegal campaign donations to Republican political candidates.

“Its name — which, read literally, seems to be guaranteeing that its customers will be defrauded — appears to have been crafted to sanitize search-engine results for Parnas’ name, so that people searching for, say, ‘Lev Parnas’ and ‘fraud’ would instead find his company,” the Daily Beast notes.

Title: Re: The Rudy Colludy Schadenfreude Thread
Post by: Surly1 on November 20, 2019, 02:00:29 PM
Another installment in the opera bluffs that is the Trump Impeachment saga, featuring the clown.
Was wondering how Rudy 9-11 would be taking the day's news.After reading the below, I assume we're supposed to forget about the money funneled through Rosencrants and Guildenstern from Konstantin Kilimnik for nefarious, but Putin-friendly deeds.

Rudy Giuliani has berserk meltdown after Trump’s House GOP allies try to scapegoat him during impeachment hearing (https://www.palmerreport.com/analysis/rudy-giuliani-house-gop-berserk-trump-scapegoat/23096/)
Bill Palmer

Gordon Sondland’s public impeachment testimony today is devastating for Donald Trump, Mike Pence, Mike Pompeo, and other Trump administration officials. Sondland is also taking direct aim at Rudy Giuliani, who is now even more hosed than ever. This has prompted Trump’s House Republican allies to try to scapegoat Rudy in the name of protecting Trump. Not shockingly, Rudy has something to say about this. Unfortunately for Rudy, it’s barely intelligible.

Gordon Sondland testified today that Donald Trump ordered him to go through Rudy Giuliani on all Ukraine matters, in what turned out to be – in Sondland’s words – a “quid pro quo.” Just don’t tell that to Rudy, who has responded on Twitter by posting this bizarre screed: “During the July 24 conversation Donald Trump agrees to a meeting with Pres. Zelensky without requiring an investigation, any discussion of military aid or any condition whatsoever. This record shows definitively no quid pro quo, which is the same as no bribery. END OF CASE!”

But then came the part where House Republican Counsel Steve Castor began asking Gordon Sondland about Rudy Giuliani’s personal financial interests in Ukraine. Castor officially works for the House Republicans on the committee, who in turn unofficially work for Trump. So this was definitely Trump throwing Rudy under the bus.

Rudy Giuliani fired back with this tweet: “Republican lawyer doesn’t do his own research and preparation, and is instead picking up Democrat lies, shame. Allow me to inform him: I have NO financial interests in Ukraine, NONE! I would appreciate his apology.” Uh, sure, okay, Rudy. The bottom line is that with Gordon Sondland having backed the entire Trump regime into a no-win corner, Trump and his allies are now trying to pin it all on Rudy. It won’t work.
Title: Rudy Giuliani goes berserk as Ukrainian flips on him
Post by: Surly1 on November 23, 2019, 11:07:53 AM
Rudy Giuliani goes berserk as Ukrainian flips on him (https://www.palmerreport.com/analysis/rudy-giuliani-goes-berserk-as-ukrainian-flips-on-him/23176/)

Rudy Giuliani has been even more incoherently angry and belligerent than usual today on Twitter, suggesting that he knew bad news was coming for him. Sure enough, it turns out a prominent Ukrainian has flipped on Rudy and agreed to help the Feds with their criminal case against him.

Rudy has been ranting and raving today about how Joe Biden has somehow conspired with the media to silence him, and how Biden is some kind of mafia boss. It’s the kind of nonsense that an unraveling criminal shouts while law enforcement drags him away by his heels – and it’s sure starting to look like that’s what is about to happen to Giuliani.

It’s been previously reported that among the numerous things the Feds are investigating Rudy Giuliani for, one of them is the allegation that he tried to use his position as Trump’s lawyer to force Ukrainian gas company Naftogaz to do his personal financial bidding. Now the CEO of that company is making a point of tellingTime Magazine that he’s going to fully cooperate with the investigation. This is a big deal for a couple reasons.

First, the easiest way to nail Rudy Giuliani for his crimes is a money trail or paper trail. If this company can turn over records proving that Rudy Giuliani was trying to use his position as Donald Trump’s lawyer to force the company to make moves that would have benefited him financially, then it’ll be a nearly automatic conviction. Second, it’s a big deal that the head of a major Ukrainian company is looking to help expose Rudy’s crimes in that country, as it could be the start of a trend.

Title: Trump Has Begun the Process of Selling Out Rudy Giuliani
Post by: Surly1 on November 28, 2019, 04:10:09 AM
Trump Has Begun the Process of Selling Out Rudy Giuliani (https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a30020850/trump-rudy-giuliani-ukraine-aid/?source=nl&utm_source=nl_esq&utm_medium=email&date=112719&utm_campaign=nl18616679&src=nl)
It might not make a difference, but anyone still arguing for the defense on Ukraine now looks even dumber.


Republican presidential elect Donald Trump at Trump National Golf Club Bedminster in Bedminster Township, N.J.
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And, right before the holiday season officially begins, the last piece of the puzzle locks into place, and the last alibi falls apart like an overcooked turkey. From The New York Times:

Lawyers from the White House counsel’s office told Mr. Trump in late August about the complaint, explaining that they were trying to determine whether they were legally required to give it to Congress, the people said. The revelation could shed light on Mr. Trump’s thinking at two critical points under scrutiny by impeachment investigators: his decision in early September to release $391 million in security assistance to Ukraine and his denial to a key ambassador around the same time that there was a “quid pro quo” with Kyiv. Mr. Trump used the phrase before it had entered the public lexicon in the Ukraine affair.

Now we have the whole thing. The president* used military aid money already appropriated by Congress to shakedown the government of Ukraine, an ally, in order to get Ukraine to help him ratfck one of his prospective opponents in the 2020 presidential election. As last week’s testimony confirmed, everyone in this massive loop knew this at the time. Then someone, and we still don’t know who, took a complaint to the intelligence community’s inspector general. This was at the end of July. And, by August, they had briefed the president*, who, having been caught borscht-handed, released the aid in early September. Every episode in that chronicle is an impeachable offense, and the entire timeline is one very big one.

Remember what Rep. Adam Schiff said last week, when the Republicans on the House Intelligence Committee tried to argue that nothing untoward had happened because the president* eventually released the aid?

"My Republican colleagues, all they seem to be upset about with this is not that the president sought an investigation of his political rival, not that he withheld a White House meeting and $400 million in aid we all passed in a bipartisan basis to pressure Ukraine to do those investigations. Their objection is that he got caught. Their objection is that someone blew the whistle, and they would like this whistleblower identified, and the president wants this whistleblower punished. That's their objection. Not that the president engaged in this conduct, but that he got caught.”

Now, even that most threadbare irrelevancy is denied to all but the most fervent members of the cult. The president* released the aid because his lawyers told him he’d been caught. On this matter, at least, the case is airtight, and there is no daylight to be found. The president*, among others, is stone busted. That may matter. It may not. But anyone arguing for the defense on the Ukraine matter is bound to look like even more of an idiot than they already do, and those people look like the succulent, ripe fruit of the Stupid Tree already. That’s something, anyway.

Presentation Of The National Thanksgiving Turkey At The White House
Trump’s Ukraine defenders now look even dumber.

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As this news was breaking, the president* was having another one of his traveling wankfests, this one in Sunrise, Florida. His trolley left the track early and never returned. From NBC News:

"The same maniacs are pushing the deranged impeachment. Think of this. Impeachment. Impeachment. A witch hunt. The same as before," he said referring to former Special counsel Robert Mueller's report. "And they're pushing that impeachment witch hunt. And a lot of bad things are happening to them. Because you see what's happening in the polls? Everybody said: that's really bullshit.”

He looked awful and sounded worse. There’s something hinky about one of his arms. His voice was raspy. I’m beginning to think it was a bad idea to let the story of his Midnight Ride to Walter Reed fade as quickly as it did. Before the rally, the president* did an interview with Bill O’Reilly in which he began the process of selling out Rudy Giuliani. From The Daily Beast:

Asked point-blank if Giuliani was acting on his behalf in trying to dig up dirt on former vice president Joe Biden—an issue now at the heart of an impeachment inquiry—Trump said, “No, I didn’t direct him, but he is a warrior, he is a warrior...I know that he was going to go to Ukraine and I think he cancelled the trip. But Rudy has other clients, other than me. He’s done a lot of work in Ukraine over the years.”

That’s his story and he’s sticking to it. For now, anyway.

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Title: HUGELY INCRIMINATING PHONE RECORDS SUGGEST RUDY GIULIANI IS F---ED
Post by: Surly1 on December 04, 2019, 04:29:30 AM
HUGELY INCRIMINATING PHONE RECORDS SUGGEST RUDY GIULIANI IS F---ED (https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/12/rudy-giuliani-ukraine-phone-records)
The president’s lawyer should probably get a lawyer.


Rudy Giuliani
BY WILLIAM B. PLOWMAN/NBC/NBC NEWSWIRE/NBCUNIVERSAL/GETTY IMAGES.

On Tuesday, House Democrats released the Intelligence Committee’s 300-page impeachment report, which concludes, based on over two months of private and public testimony from career diplomats and other administration officials, that Donald Trump “placed his own personal and political interests above the national interests of the United States,” sought to undermine American democracy, and, in doing so, endangered national security. For a guy who has insisted that he acted with the utmost integrity when he attempted to extort Ukraine to smear his political rivals, it isn’t a good look! But Trump isn’t the only one for whom the report should be causing some gastrointestinal distress right about now; his personal attorney, Rudy Giuliani, has also emerged from the account looking like a full-on crook, a portrayal that probably would concern him were his brain not atrophying since he left the New York City mayor’s office in 2001.

Much of the damning information comes in the form of phone records. According to logs obtained by the committee from AT&T, Giuliani was in extremely frequent communication with the White House, specifically the Office of Management and Budget, where acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney, of Ukraine “drug deal” fame, is still director. For instance, Giuliani spoke with unidentified individuals at OMB and the White House on April 12, 23, and 24. An OMB call on the latter date lasted over 13 minutes and occurred just one day before Ambassador Marie Yovanovitchwas told to return from Kiev. Following many of these communications, the Week notes, Giuliani placed calls to or received calls from his indicted associateLev Parnas, whom Giuliani allegedly dispatched to Ukraine to dig up dirt on Joe Biden and his son. Another call of particular interest was the 13-minute one between Giuliani and OMB on August 8, which occurred just one day after Ambassador Kurt Volkermessaged Giuliani about a meeting with Ukrainian presidential aide Andriy Yermak and a “visit” the two had discussed.

Last month the Washington Postreported that a confidential White House review of Trump’s decision to put a hold on aid to Ukraine “has turned up hundreds of documents that reveal extensive efforts to generate an after-the-fact justification for the decision and a debate over whether the delay was legal,” on which OMB led the charge. In early August, for instance, Mulvaney asked acting OMB director Russell Vought to provide an update on the legal rationale for holding up the aid and how much longer it could be delayed. According to the justification from the OMB lawyers—which the State Department and National Security Council disputed—withholding the aid was legal so long as they referred to it as a “temporary” hold. Was Giuliani strategizing with someone at OMB re: the delayed aid? Who’s to say!

In addition to the frequent calls with OMB, logs show a number of calls with an individual whose number only appears as “-1” in phone records, which at least one former Justice Department official believes is Trump’s cell phone. Obviously, it’s not at all surprising that Giuliani—who is already the subject of numerous investigations—was in close contact with Trump, but it’s yet another data point that blows a hole in the president’s “Giuliani acted alone” defense, which no one believed the first time he trotted it out.

Giuliani does not appear to have commented on the report, but if we give it time, he’ll probably text something nonsensical and grammatically offensive to a bunch of reporters about how this is all just a distraction to run cover for Biden. Trump, who is in the U.K., will presumably log on to Twitter around 5 a.m. local time for an incoherent rant about how Adam Schiff should be tried for treason, and an aside about how he’s never actually met Giuliani but hears he’s a nice guy.


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Title: Re: HUGELY INCRIMINATING PHONE RECORDS SUGGEST RUDY GIULIANI IS F---ED
Post by: RE on December 04, 2019, 04:51:23 AM
Nunes got Rat-fucked by those phone logs also.  ;D

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Title: Re: HUGELY INCRIMINATING PHONE RECORDS SUGGEST RUDY GIULIANI IS F---ED
Post by: Surly1 on December 04, 2019, 09:01:22 AM
Nunes got Rat-fucked by those phone logs also.  ;D

RE

Oh, yes. And he should have recused himself  prior to the hearings, because the info was provided to him (as it was to all committee members) before they started. Either he or his staff apparently failed to review it. Or maybe that's why he's so damned mad and bringing frivolous lawsuits: Under committee rules, he would have known that Schiff subpoenaed call records for Giuliani and his associates and that it would turn up all these contacts with him.

Nunes' tears are delicious.

Title: Re: The Rudy Colludy Schadenfreude Thread
Post by: Eddie on December 04, 2019, 10:37:36 AM
The sheer arrogance of the powerful is hard to grok. You know Rudy Giuliani surely didn't need to end up like this. Pure opportunism in action.

Nunes is a total fake and always has been, Another example of what the lust for power does to people.

Almost all these Trump guys (not Nunes, he was always willing to be corrupt) started out not liking him.....but then they suddenly all learned to love him when they saw him get the votes.

Waiting to see Lindsey Graham take it in the you-know-where...although....(insert the obvious homo reference here).
Title: Re: The Rudy Colludy Schadenfreude Thread
Post by: Surly1 on December 04, 2019, 10:53:39 AM
The sheer arrogance of the powerful is hard to grok. You know Rudy Giuliani surely didn't need to end up like this. Pure opportunism in action.

Nunes is a total fake and always has been, Another example of what the lust for power does to people.

Almost all these Trump guys (not Nunes, he was always willing to be corrupt) started out not liking him.....but then they suddenly all learned to love him when they saw him get the votes.

Waiting to see Lindsey Graham take it in the you-know-where...although....(insert the obvious homo reference here).

As you k now well, I'm in full agreement with all of the above, and just waiting for Lyndsay to wipe the Trump off her face. And then Graham surprises with this:

Graham says he's '1,000 percent confident' Russia, not Ukraine, hacked DNC (https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/472879-graham-says-hes-1000-percent-confident-russia-hacked-dnc-it-wasnt-ukraine)
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/472879-graham-says-hes-1000-percent-confident-russia-hacked-dnc-it-wasnt-ukraine
Title: Rudy Giuliani Teams Up With a Seth Rich Conspiracy Theorist to Save Trump
Post by: Surly1 on December 05, 2019, 06:48:14 AM
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Rudy Giuliani Teams Up With a Seth Rich Conspiracy Theorist to Save Trump (https://www.thedailybeast.com/rudy-giuliani-teams-up-with-seth-rich-conspiracy-theorist-chanel-rion-to-save-trump?ref=home)
The president’s attorney has traveled to some odd places and sought the help of some colorful characters to defend his client. But Chanel Rion might be the strangest of all.


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Will Sommer

Rudy Giuliani has found a new ally in his globe-trotting attempts to fight President Trump’s impeachment, teaming up with a cable news reporter and conspiracy-theory political cartoonist who has suggested that Hillary Clinton killed Democratic National Committee staffer Seth Rich and that Democrats eat people.

In his quest to defend Trump and dig up dirt on his political opponents, Giuliani has enlisted a wide variety of characters in both the United States and Europe. Now he’s placing a big bet on Chanel Rion, a One America News host who dabbles in bizarre conspiracy theories.

On Wednesday, The New York Timesreported that Giuliani traveled to Hungary and Ukraine this week to set up interviews with former Ukrainian prosecutors who have been critical of former Vice President Joe Biden. The interviews are meant for a series on pro-Trump cable channel One America News hosted by Rion, a reporter, anti-feminist children’s book author, and political cartoonist. 

Rion’s show, which takes Giuliani and his allies at their word that Trump did nothing wrong by pressuring the Ukrainian government to investigate Biden and his family, has become a key part of Giuliani’s attempt to rally Trump’s base. But Rion herself has a colorful background that includes one prominent retracted story and support for several conspiracy theories.

Rion has been best known on the right since May, when she was hired as a White House correspondent for OAN, the upstart pro-Trump cable network that frequently clashes with rival Fox News. 

In October, Rion claimed that former FBI lawyer Lisa Page had an affair with former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe. Rion’s vaguely sourced report went viral in corners of the right-wing blogosphere that has become obsessed with Page’s sex life and her connection to the investigation into the Trump campaign and Russia, but Rion’s network quietly retracted the entire story later that month. 

Rion didn’t respond to a request for comment from The Daily Beast. 

Before joining OAN in May, Rion developed some level of notoriety on the internet for her bizarre political cartoons, in a self-published set of online cartoons dubbed “The Left Edge.” In one, Rion promoted the conspiracy theory that Clinton was behind the unsolved murder of DNC staffer Rich, which police have concluded was a botched robbery. In another, she referenced “spirit cooking”—the baseless claim, popular with believers in the Pizzagate conspiracy theory, that top Democratic officials are involved in Satanic cannibalistic sacrifices. 

Not all of Rion’s cartoons promote conspiracy theories, but many of them are still strange. In one, former Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV), dressed as an alien, comes to Earth to criticize then-FBI Director James Comey. Reid is depicted as arriving in a UFO inexplicably labeled “Planet Zoombo.” In another, she called on “armed citizens to defend America from violent left,” claiming without evidence that Democrats were plotting assassinations. 

In one cartoon, Rion portrays the Academy Awards’ Oscar statue as a woman named “Oscareena.” 

“He claims his name is Oscareena and he wants the keys to the little girls’ peek-a-boo room,” one character in the cartoon says.

Rion’s website claims that she has “become known as the best political illustrator in the country for constitutional conservative and anti-leftist causes,” but it’s not clear that her “Left Edge” cartoons have circulated much on the broader right. Another website operated by her fiancé claimed that people all over the world are wearing T-shirts and putting up posters of her art. Rion didn’t respond to a request for proof of that claim.

“Rion claims that her family left the United States in disgust after Bill Clinton beat Bob Dole in the 1996 presidential race, setting out to see for themselves ‘what a debauched idea socialism was.’”

Rion has also made some interesting assertions about her background. In a biography posted on her website, Rion claims that her family left the United States in disgust after Bill Clinton beat Bob Dole in the 1996 presidential race, setting out to see for themselves “what a debauched idea socialism was.” 

After describing a stay in South Korea “a few miles” from the demilitarized zone on the border with North Korea, Rion takes her narrative to France, where she finds herself in a classroom with “presumably communistic” fellow students. Rion’s bio page claims that her family initially lived in a mill but left when “the miller quit.”

“When winter came,” the biography reads, “the miller quit and we moved to an unheated stone maison in the hills of a communist farming village in the mountain region of France where we bought goat cheese and baguettes every day from a monastery on the way home from school and where dad again swore we were never returning to the U.S. Chanel spent her first grade year not speaking English at school where she heard not a word about politics from her presumably communistic first-grade French classmates.”

Since then, Rion claims to have produced a series of mystery books called Mystery by Design, meant for “traditional girls,” that have been “offered as language trainers in grim and dedicated rote English-learning venues including China and South Korea.” On her website, Rion writes that her books stand “apart from the gender-hostile, Hollywood ‘rip and hate’ spirit of radical feminism.”

But when a Wonkette investigation of Rion’s claims about her books in 2018 turned up no reference to the books outside Rion’s own website and no evidence anywhere that the books are for sale or actually exist. Rion didn’t respond to a request for comment about her books.

Rion shot to some level of broader fame on the internet in 2018 after her fiancé, then-Missouri Senate candidate Courtland Sykes, cited her cooking him dinner every night at 6 p.m. in a bizarre rant about feminist “she devils.”

“I want to come home to a home-cooked dinner at 6 every night, one that she fixes and one that I expect one day to have daughters learn to fix after they become traditional homemakers and family wives,” Sykes said in a statement.

Sykes, who had been a Missouri resident for less than a year before he launched his bid, struggled to explain his connection to the state. At one point, he told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch that his family had vacationed in the Ozarks, then refused to say exactly where. 

Sykes went on to badly lose the primary to future Sen. Josh Hawley (R), coming in eighth place with about 2 percent of the vote.


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Title: Exposed: the money trail running from the Kremlin to Parnas to Giuliani to Trump
Post by: Surly1 on December 18, 2019, 06:05:02 AM

Exposed: the money trail running from the Kremlin to Lev Parnas to Rudy Giuliani to Donald Trump

For weeks now, the various pieces of the puzzle have been coming together – and what’s going on here keeps becoming more obvious. Now, thanks to the final piece of the puzzle, we can draw a straight money line from the Kremlin to Donald Trump, based entirely on publicly available information.

Earlier this month it was reported that Lev Parnas received a million dollar bank deposit from an account in Russia in September. Today, federal prosecutors confirmed in court that the million dollars came from Kremlin oligarch Dmitry Firtash, who has long been suspected of having funded the Ukraine antics of Donald Trump and Rudy Giuliani.

When you take the million dollar payoff from the Kremlin to Lev Parnas, and combine it with the half million dollar payoff from Lev Parnas’ company to Rudy Giuliani, you can draw a straight money line from the Kremlin to Rudy. When you add in that Rudy is providing legal services to Donald Trump for free, it means the Kremlin is funding Rudy’s representation of Trump. In other words, Putin didn’t just fund Trump’s Ukraine extortion scandal; Putin is paying for Trump’s legal defense.

This changes a few things. First, it’s a reminder that even though two articles of impeachment have been finalized against Donald Trump (for now), the investigatory process is still ongoing, and the criminal scandal is still unfolding. Second, it places Lev Parnas in even more legal jeopardy, and could motivate him to provide additional cooperation beyond the evidence he’s turned over to the House. Finally, it’s the latest reminder that with Trump, all roads really do lead to Putin.

Title: Re: The Rudy Colludy Schadenfreude Thread
Post by: Surly1 on January 15, 2020, 07:11:28 AM

House released documents turned over by Rudy Giuliani’s fixer, Lev Parnas.

Eye-opening. Straight, no chaser. Copy of original letter from Schiff to Nadler, plus scans of Rudy's handwritten notes, plus text messages from several, including Rudy and Hyde, Rudy's goon. Wowza.

https://d3i6fh83elv35t.cloudfront.net/static/2020/01/New-Evidence.pdf?fbclid=IwAR3s4Fwd34SWJ7Z_pnbP0VLUigbgr6B0L_Bz_k5iikpxk4Y15R7_7bhPSz4

Title: Re: The Rudy Colludy Schadenfreude Thread
Post by: RE on January 15, 2020, 07:18:35 AM

House released documents turned over by Rudy Giuliani’s fixer, Lev Parnas.

Eye-opening. Straight, no chaser. Copy of original letter from Schiff to Nadler, plus scans of Rudy's handwritten notes, plus text messages from several, including Rudy and Hyde, Rudy's goon. Wowza.

https://d3i6fh83elv35t.cloudfront.net/static/2020/01/New-Evidence.pdf?fbclid=IwAR3s4Fwd34SWJ7Z_pnbP0VLUigbgr6B0L_Bz_k5iikpxk4Y15R7_7bhPSz4

Will this make a bit of difference in the Impeachment Show Trial?  Highly unlikely.  Will it make a difference in the 2020 POTUS election?  Only slightly less unlikely.

RE
Title: Re: The Rudy Colludy Schadenfreude Thread
Post by: Surly1 on January 15, 2020, 09:41:59 AM

House released documents turned over by Rudy Giuliani’s fixer, Lev Parnas.

Eye-opening. Straight, no chaser. Copy of original letter from Schiff to Nadler, plus scans of Rudy's handwritten notes, plus text messages from several, including Rudy and Hyde, Rudy's goon. Wowza.

https://d3i6fh83elv35t.cloudfront.net/static/2020/01/New-Evidence.pdf?fbclid=IwAR3s4Fwd34SWJ7Z_pnbP0VLUigbgr6B0L_Bz_k5iikpxk4Y15R7_7bhPSz4

Will this make a bit of difference in the Impeachment Show Trial?  Highly unlikely.  Will it make a difference in the 2020 POTUS election?  Only slightly less unlikely.

RE

Maybe not.

But it would if anybody considered the evidence. Did you sift through that .pdf? I did, and I heard myself say, "Holy Shit!" Everything but photos of dead bodies. And those may be coming.

The only way it can not make a difference is if they do not permit new evidence. Which I will admit is likely. I don't look for anything like a fair trial out of Nurtle McTurtle.
Title: Re: The Rudy Colludy Schadenfreude Thread
Post by: Surly1 on January 15, 2020, 09:57:59 AM

House released documents turned over by Rudy Giuliani’s fixer, Lev Parnas.

Eye-opening. Straight, no chaser. Copy of original letter from Schiff to Nadler, plus scans of Rudy's handwritten notes, plus text messages from several, including Rudy and Hyde, Rudy's goon. Wowza.

https://d3i6fh83elv35t.cloudfront.net/static/2020/01/New-Evidence.pdf?fbclid=IwAR3s4Fwd34SWJ7Z_pnbP0VLUigbgr6B0L_Bz_k5iikpxk4Y15R7_7bhPSz4 (https://d3i6fh83elv35t.cloudfront.net/static/2020/01/New-Evidence.pdf?fbclid=IwAR3s4Fwd34SWJ7Z_pnbP0VLUigbgr6B0L_Bz_k5iikpxk4Y15R7_7bhPSz4)

I fully appreciate that not everyone has the same appetite for following this story. But I've been intent on following the truth of the matter, and trying to get to the story behind the MSM bullshit and spin.

If you follow the above link, you eventually get to Lutsenko, a former Prosecutor general of Ukraine and the apparent originator of a lot of the "evidence" manufactured against the Bidens. If you want to understand the seamy underbelly of this Ukraine issue, you have to understand Lutsenko.

Here is the best article I have found to date. It is complicated, and nuanced, but a damned good job of repertorial restraint.

The Ukrainian Prosecutor Behind Trump’s Impeachment (https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/12/23/the-ukrainian-prosecutor-behind-trumps-impeachment)
How the efforts of Yuriy Lutsenko and Rudy Giuliani to smear Joe Biden led to a Presidential crisis.


It's pretty clear (to me, anyhow) that by luring Trump into the Ukraine rat's nest, Giuliani has ended up damaging him more seriously than Robert Mueller or James Comey ever did. Well done, Rudy 9-11!
Title: Re: The Rudy Colludy Schadenfreude Thread
Post by: RE on January 15, 2020, 10:00:12 AM

House released documents turned over by Rudy Giuliani’s fixer, Lev Parnas.

Eye-opening. Straight, no chaser. Copy of original letter from Schiff to Nadler, plus scans of Rudy's handwritten notes, plus text messages from several, including Rudy and Hyde, Rudy's goon. Wowza.

https://d3i6fh83elv35t.cloudfront.net/static/2020/01/New-Evidence.pdf?fbclid=IwAR3s4Fwd34SWJ7Z_pnbP0VLUigbgr6B0L_Bz_k5iikpxk4Y15R7_7bhPSz4

Will this make a bit of difference in the Impeachment Show Trial?  Highly unlikely.  Will it make a difference in the 2020 POTUS election?  Only slightly less unlikely.

RE

Maybe not.

But it would if anybody considered the evidence. Did you sift through that .pdf? I did, and I heard myself say, "Holy Shit!" Everything but photos of dead bodies. And those may be coming.

The only way it can not make a difference is if they do not permit new evidence. Which I will admit is likely. I don't look for anything like a fair trial out of Nurtle McTurtle.

No, I haven't had a chance to peruse it as of yet.  I am still working through emails and back on the phone with the Medical Criminals and the Scum Sucking Bottom Feeder Lawyers.  And it's not even 9AM yet Alaska time!  lol.

RE
Title: Re: The Rudy Colludy Schadenfreude Thread
Post by: Surly1 on January 15, 2020, 11:10:29 AM


House released documents turned over by Rudy Giuliani’s fixer, Lev Parnas.

Eye-opening. Straight, no chaser. Copy of original letter from Schiff to Nadler, plus scans of Rudy's handwritten notes, plus text messages from several, including Rudy and Hyde, Rudy's goon. Wowza.

https://d3i6fh83elv35t.cloudfront.net/static/2020/01/New-Evidence.pdf?fbclid=IwAR3s4Fwd34SWJ7Z_pnbP0VLUigbgr6B0L_Bz_k5iikpxk4Y15R7_7bhPSz4

Jim Wright's take:

It's becoming increasingly obvious that the President of the United States, via his personal lawyer, plotted against an American ambassador.

The evidence is overwhelming and utterly damning.
Rudy Giuliani literally coordinated surveillance on Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch. One text, from Giuliani's subordinate Robert Hyde to Lev Parnas, LITERALLY described Ukrainian underworld figures willing to "help" with Yovanovitch for "a price"

Verbatim: "They are willing to help if we/you would like a price."

That picture of Trump? The guy with him is Robert Hyde.

A bit later, Trump talked to Ukraine President Zelensky. Which is what started the whole impeachment. Trump HIMSELF provided a summary of that call. In that summary, Trump says to Zelensky, "She's going to go through some things." He was specifically, according to his own "transcript," talking about ambassador Yovanovitch.

She's going to go through some things.

He said that, KNOWING Rudy Giuliani was engaged in surveillance on the ambassador and that the Ukrainian underworld was involved.

Shortly thereafter, Yovanovitch was told to leave Ukraine immediately over concerns about her safety. Threats against her safety that were specifically generated BY THE WHITE HOUSE.

Then, last night at his rally, instead of explaining any of this, Trump instead went on a tear against light bulbs, dishwashers, fridges, toilets, and showers. Like you do if you're completely sane. Right?

Of course, there should be no surprises here. This is how business does business. This is American business every day, right here. This is who Trump is. A crooked mobbed up businessman from New York.

You know what I'm gonna say: If you elect a businessman, then you're gonna get the business.

And you're gonna get it good and hard.

But, it's worse than that.

Because this morning we're sitting here, watching this shitshow. Literally watching Trump plot the death of his own ambassador while the Senate Majority Leader openly flies top cover for him and Congress openly refuses to do its Constitutionally mandated duty. We're watching all of this unfold, right? In real time. Right now. Our government utterly failing not only the country but the entire world. We're watching this, right?

And instead of forcefully and definitely taking the lead, Democratic Candidates are right now petulantly throwing shit at each other like spoiled rotten children absolutely determined to lose once again to Donald Trump.

Unbelievable.
Title: Re: Exposed: the money trail running from the Kremlin to Parnas to Giuliani to Trump
Post by: Eddie on January 15, 2020, 04:18:48 PM

Exposed: the money trail running from the Kremlin to Lev Parnas to Rudy Giuliani to Donald Trump

For weeks now, the various pieces of the puzzle have been coming together – and what’s going on here keeps becoming more obvious. Now, thanks to the final piece of the puzzle, we can draw a straight money line from the Kremlin to Donald Trump, based entirely on publicly available information.

Earlier this month it was reported that Lev Parnas received a million dollar bank deposit from an account in Russia in September. Today, federal prosecutors confirmed in court that the million dollars came from Kremlin oligarch Dmitry Firtash, who has long been suspected of having funded the Ukraine antics of Donald Trump and Rudy Giuliani.

When you take the million dollar payoff from the Kremlin to Lev Parnas, and combine it with the half million dollar payoff from Lev Parnas’ company to Rudy Giuliani, you can draw a straight money line from the Kremlin to Rudy. When you add in that Rudy is providing legal services to Donald Trump for free, it means the Kremlin is funding Rudy’s representation of Trump. In other words, Putin didn’t just fund Trump’s Ukraine extortion scandal; Putin is paying for Trump’s legal defense.

This changes a few things. First, it’s a reminder that even though two articles of impeachment have been finalized against Donald Trump (for now), the investigatory process is still ongoing, and the criminal scandal is still unfolding. Second, it places Lev Parnas in even more legal jeopardy, and could motivate him to provide additional cooperation beyond the evidence he’s turned over to the House. Finally, it’s the latest reminder that with Trump, all roads really do lead to Putin.


BUT......Hunter Biden!!!!
Title: Re: Exposed: the money trail running from the Kremlin to Parnas to Giuliani to Trump
Post by: Surly1 on January 15, 2020, 05:40:15 PM

Exposed: the money trail running from the Kremlin to Lev Parnas to Rudy Giuliani to Donald Trump

For weeks now, the various pieces of the puzzle have been coming together – and what’s going on here keeps becoming more obvious. Now, thanks to the final piece of the puzzle, we can draw a straight money line from the Kremlin to Donald Trump, based entirely on publicly available information.

Earlier this month it was reported that Lev Parnas received a million dollar bank deposit from an account in Russia in September. Today, federal prosecutors confirmed in court that the million dollars came from Kremlin oligarch Dmitry Firtash, who has long been suspected of having funded the Ukraine antics of Donald Trump and Rudy Giuliani.

When you take the million dollar payoff from the Kremlin to Lev Parnas, and combine it with the half million dollar payoff from Lev Parnas’ company to Rudy Giuliani, you can draw a straight money line from the Kremlin to Rudy. When you add in that Rudy is providing legal services to Donald Trump for free, it means the Kremlin is funding Rudy’s representation of Trump. In other words, Putin didn’t just fund Trump’s Ukraine extortion scandal; Putin is paying for Trump’s legal defense.

This changes a few things. First, it’s a reminder that even though two articles of impeachment have been finalized against Donald Trump (for now), the investigatory process is still ongoing, and the criminal scandal is still unfolding. Second, it places Lev Parnas in even more legal jeopardy, and could motivate him to provide additional cooperation beyond the evidence he’s turned over to the House. Finally, it’s the latest reminder that with Trump, all roads really do lead to Putin.


BUT......Hunter Biden!!!!

I'm waiting for the dozen of hearings a la Benghazi.
Title: Re: The Rudy Colludy Schadenfreude Thread
Post by: Surly1 on January 15, 2020, 05:43:56 PM
The reliable (and daily) Heather Cox Richardson--
https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/january-14-2020 (https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/january-14-2020)

January 14, 2020

One of the reasons I refuse to make predictions about the future of the Trump administration, or even of the impeachment process, is that things are changing every. single. minute.

Tonight, just on the cusp of the House articles of impeachment going over to the Senate, the House Intelligence Committee, the Committee on Oversight and Reform, and the Committee on Foreign Affairs transmitted to the House Judiciary Committee some of the material it has garnered from indicted political operative Lev Parnas’s phones. While there were two files—one is secret because it involves sensitive personal information—the other has provided material that is a game changer in three ways.

First of all, much of it is damning in its own right. Second, it will force Trump either to admit he was part of the Ukraine scheme all along or to call his friend (and sometime lawyer) Rudy Giuliani a liar. Third, it will add fuel to the fire that is making Trump so terribly angry and erratic these days, which will likely mean his behavior will only get worse. But with this new material in front of them, along with more that we have not seen, it is unlikely Republican leaders will be willing to continue to defend him except in the most general of ways.

The documents begin with a series of notes apparently written by Parnas on the stationery of the Ritz-Carleton in Vienna They literally start with him writing: “get Zalensky to Announce that the Biden case will Be Investigated.” They note that Dimitry Firtash, the Ukrainian oligarch we now know was funding the whole Ukrainian escapade, and who is living in Vienna, was “*Toxic,*” and noted “*Rudy.*” Indeed, skeptic that I am, these notes seem almost too perfect, and I would worry they were constructed after the fact for his defense except that these devices were confiscated upon Parnas's arrest.

There is also a May 10, 2019 letter from Rudy Giuliani, representing himself as Trump’s personal lawyer, to the newly elected Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky, asking Zelensky for a meeting. “In my capacity as personal counsel to President Trump and with his knowledge and consent,” he asked for a meeting to discuss a particular matter. This runs counter to Trump’s frequent insistence that whatever he did in Ukraine was for the American people: here Giuliani lays out that whatever is happening is for Trump himself. Also, remember that on November 26, Trump denied that he had directed Giuliani to ask Zelensky about the Bidens. But now it seems there is evidence Giuliani was acting with Trump’s “knowledge and consent.” Trump will have to distance himself from this… but can he? It seems likely Giuliani has dirt on Trump from the days when Giuliani was the US Attorney for the Southern District of New York from 1983-1989, the heyday of Trump’s rise in New York real estate, as Giuliani has previously hinted.

There are also texts from Giuliani to Parnas, saying that he can overrule the decision of the Ukraine embassy, then under the direction of Marie Yovanovitch, not to give Viktor Shokin, the corrupt former Prosecutor General of Ukraine, a visa. He texted: “It’s going to work I have no 1 in it”

There is sharing of stories from Laura Ingraham, Sean Hannity, and Don Bongino about attacks on US Ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovich.

And, following these texts, in an exchange that has had Twitter on fire since the documents dropped, Connecticut congressional hopeful Robert F. Hyde and an unknown (to us) correspondent, although it seems likely to be Lev Parnas, appear to show that Hyde had Ambassador Yovanovitch under surveillance, and that he explored having her attacked or assassinated. It is worth, in this context, remembering that Trump told Zelensky that Yovanovitch was “going to go through some things,” suggesting that he knew about this plot.

“Fuck that bitch,” Hyde wrote on March 22, 2019. (Yovanovitch was highly regarded, and one of our very top diplomats.)

The next day he texted: “Wow. Can’t believe Trumo [sic] hasn’t fired this bitch. I’ll get right in that”

Then: “She under heavy protection outside Kiev”

Unidentified [probably Lev Parnas]: “I know crazy shit”

Hyde: “My guy thinks maybe FSB..?” [FSB is Russian security]

More exchanges of news stories about removing Yovanovitch.

Hyde, March 25, 2019: “What should I do with this?

Hyde, March 25, 2019: “They are moving her tomorrow

Hyde, March 25, 2019: “The guys over they asked me what I would like to do and what is in it for them”

Hyde: March 25, 2019: “Wake up Yankees man”

Hyde: March 25, 2019: “She’s talked to three people. Her phone is off. Computer is off.”

Hyde: March 25, 2019: “She’s next to the embassy”

Hyde: March 25, 2019: “Not in the embassy”

Hyde: March 25, 2019: “Private security. Been there since Thursday”

Likely Parnas: March 25, 2019 “Interesting”

Hyde, March 25, 2019: “They know she’s a political puppet”

Hyde, March 25, 2019: “They will let me know when she’s on the move”

Hyde, March 25, 2019: “And they’ll let me know when she’s on the move”

Unidentified [probably Lev Parnas]: March 25, 2019: “Perfect”

Hyde: March 25, 2019, “I mean where if they can find out.”

Hyde: March 25, 2019: “That address I sent you checks out”

Hyde, March 25, 2019: “It’s next to the embassy”

Hyde, March 25, 2019: “They are willing to help if we/you would like a price”

Hyde, March 25, 2019: “Guess you can do anything in the Ukraine with money… what I was told”

Unidentified [probably Lev Parnas]: “Lol”

Hyde: March 26, 2019: “Update she will not be moved special security unit upgraded force on the compound people are already aware of the situation my contacts are asking what is the next step because they cannot keep going to check people will start to ask questions”

Hyde: March 26, 2019: “If you want her out they need to make contact with security forces”

Hyde: March 26, 2019: “From Ukrainians”

Hyde: March 27, 2019: “What’s the word bro”

Hyde: March 27, 2019: “Any good stuff?

Unidentified [probably Lev Parnas]: March 27, 2019: “Call you soon in studio.”

… those texts go on, but that’s the gist.

You will remember that Yovanovitch was recalled from Ukraine abruptly out of concerns for her safety. Hyde, who is running for Congress from Connecticut, tweeted a picture of Yovanovitch while she was testifying before the House. It falsely accused her of a number of crimes and said: “Maria is a yuge pos. She has so much dirt on the Clinton’s and Bidens. Such a scumbag. #draintheswamp#mariaisatraitor#trump2020#hyde2020.” When reached for comment after this story broke, Hyde wrote: “Bull Schiff is a giant b*tch.”

A couple of other points before I fall back into bed to try to break this bug. In the letter transmitting the material, Chair of the House Intelligence Committee Adam Schiff wrote “Despite unprecedented obstruction by the President, the Committee continues to receive and review potentially relevant evidence and will make supplemental transmittals… as appropriate.”

Now, if you were someone trying desperately to protect the president, wouldn’t this give you pause? You have no idea what’s out there. Surely, the news that there are text messages contemplating an attack on an American ambassador will make you wonder what else these bozos felt it was okay to put in writing. Do you really want to be on record for these people?

When this story broke, a friend texted me to ask if Trump was really the Godfather. I answered no. The leaders of the Italian mafia at the turn of the last century had to be incredibly smart because the system was stacked against them. They had to be able to evade laws, and police forces, and community standards, or be arrested. Today’s criminals have the benefit of a generation of laws rigged in their favor, so they did not have to be clever. All they had to be was corrupt.

And, hoo, boy… were they corrupt.

(Another unedited night. I cannot seem to break this bug. Thanks for your patience.)

—-

Notes:

Files: [url=https://intelligence.house.gov/uploadedfiles/20200114_-_hpsci_transmittal_letter_to_hjc_-_new_evidence_attachment.pdf]https://intelligence.house.gov/uploadedfiles/20200114_-_hpsci_transmittal_letter_to_hjc_-_new_evidence_attachment.pdf[/url]

Trump on Yovanovitch: [url=https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/26/us/politics/yovanovitch-trump-ukraine-ambassador.html]https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/26/us/politics/yovanovitch-trump-ukraine-ambassador.html[/url]

Who is Robert Hyde: [url=https://www.rawstory.com/2020/01/here-is-the-republican-operative-that-is-the-new-poster-boy-for-why-trump-was-impeached/]https://www.rawstory.com/2020/01/here-is-the-republican-operative-that-is-the-new-poster-boy-for-why-trump-was-impeached/[/url]

Hyde tweet:

Natasha Bertrand@NatashaBertrand
Hyde sent this tweet as Yovanovitch was testifying.

HYDE for U.S. Congress@rfhyde1

We elected President Trump to drain the swamp of traitors like this. Maria is a yuge pos. She has so much dirt on the Clinton’s and Bidens. Such a scumbag. #draintheswamp #mariaisatraitor #trump2020 #hyde2020 [url=https://t.co/nDMHLtQrFa]https://t.co/nDMHLtQrFa[/url]

January 15th 2020

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Title: Re: The Rudy Colludy Schadenfreude Thread
Post by: Eddie on January 15, 2020, 06:08:06 PM
So we get to find out now if the President can do all this crazy, obviously politically motivated skullduggery and the Senate will give him a pass.

It's actually beginning to look more like Watergate all the time. All the Presidents Men.

They did the right thing by keeping the charges narrow. The case has already been proven in the hearings. There's not a shadow of a doubt.

We've had a lot of judicial malfeasance in this country for a while now, but this will be where we will really see if anything goes.......... and if nothing really does matter.

My guess, he walks.

They're all spineless political hacks without a thread of ethics or a moment's consideration for what's good for the country.

Title: Re: The Rudy Colludy Schadenfreude Thread
Post by: RE on January 15, 2020, 06:12:58 PM
My guess, he walks.

I agree with that assessment in the Show Trial in the Senate.

I am not so sure about the Court of Public Opinion in the 2020 Election.

RE
Title: Re: The Rudy Colludy Schadenfreude Thread
Post by: Eddie on January 15, 2020, 06:33:35 PM
So if he loses we get Warren or Biden.

Biden is Hillary in old-white-guy drag. Neo-con, man of the Deep State. Corrupt? I think so. Not like Trump.....not blatant and gauche about his corruption......he's much more normal and moderately bipartisan old school corrupt.

Warren is a well meaning individual who isn't likely to be particularly effective. Another Obama. We had the first black President.....instant Nobel Prize. Maybe they'll give her one for being the first woman President.

Or Booty-Judge can win and he'll get it for being the first Gay (but still moderately conservative and religious) President.

All the other candidates are some kind of diversity candidate.....except none of them have gotten the least bit of traction.

Imagine, reparations aren't really that great a plank for the Democratic Part after all.  Who coulda known?

And the DNC is falling all over itself apologizing for what's happened......how did all those great "persons of color" candidates  fail to make the cut...It's so not fair.
Title: Re: The Rudy Colludy Schadenfreude Thread
Post by: RE on January 15, 2020, 06:38:52 PM
So if he loses we get Warren or Biden.

Biden is Hillary in old-white-guy drag. Neo-con, man of the Deep State. Corrupt? I think so. Not like Trump.....not blatant and gauche about his corruption......he's much more normal and moderately bipartisan old school corrupt.

Warren is a well meaning individual who isn't likely to be particularly effective. Another Obama. We had the first black President.....instant Nobel Prize. Maybe they'll give her one for being the first woman President.

Or Booty-Judge can win and he'll get it for being the first Gay (but still moderately conservative and religious) President.

All the other candidates are some kind of diversity candidate.....except none of them have gotten the least bit of traction.

Imagine, reparations aren't really that great a plank for the Democratic Part after all.  Who coulda known?

And the DNC is falling all over itself apologizing for what's happened......how did all those great "persons of color" candidates  fail to make the cut...It's so not fair.

What about Bernie?  You don't think he has a shot along with Liz?

RE
Title: Re: The Rudy Colludy Schadenfreude Thread
Post by: Eddie on January 15, 2020, 06:51:45 PM
No, I don't think he has much of a chance. I lean toward picking Warren, out of the new who haven't bailed. Biden, the slime ball, has a shot.

Bernie would probably be poisoned with his own heart medication if he won anyway. He'd probably be the most effective leader....he's even semi-honest, although he does kiss the asses of those who try to break him down for being old and white.



Title: Re: The Rudy Colludy Schadenfreude Thread
Post by: Surly1 on January 16, 2020, 02:08:34 AM
My guess, he walks.

I agree with that assessment in the Show Trial in the Senate.

I am not so sure about the Court of Public Opinion in the 2020 Election.

RE

After the Parnas revelations yesterday, there will be more, rather than less, information popping up unbidden by #TeamTreason. Nancy Pelosi sitting on the articles of impeachment for a couple of weeks was a great idea from that standpoint. the calendar is on her side.
Title: Re: The Rudy Colludy Schadenfreude Thread
Post by: RE on January 16, 2020, 02:21:45 AM
My guess, he walks.

I agree with that assessment in the Show Trial in the Senate.

I am not so sure about the Court of Public Opinion in the 2020 Election.

RE

After the Parnas revelations yesterday, there will be more, rather than less, information popping up unbidden by #TeamTreason. Nancy Pelosi sitting on the articles of impeachment for a couple of weeks was a great idea from that standpoint. the calendar is on her side.

The next Demodope Debate should be quite entertaining!  :icon_mrgreen:

Then on to Iowa & New Hampshire!  This is going to be a GREAT year for Diner Political Collapse Commentary!  :icon_sunny:

RE
Title: Re: The Rudy Colludy Schadenfreude Thread
Post by: Surly1 on January 16, 2020, 02:28:22 AM
So we get to find out now if the President can do all this crazy, obviously politically motivated skullduggery and the Senate will give him a pass.

It's actually beginning to look more like Watergate all the time. All the Presidents Men.

They did the right thing by keeping the charges narrow. The case has already been proven in the hearings. There's not a shadow of a doubt.

We've had a lot of judicial malfeasance in this country for a while now, but this will be where we will really see if anything goes.......... and if nothing really does matter.

My guess, he walks.

They're all spineless political hacks without a thread of ethics or a moment's consideration for what's good for the country.

McConnell's strategy will be to engage in whatever procedural chicanery (and arm twisting) he needs to get the charges papered over and dismissed, which Fat Orange will wave aloft like a medieval virgin's bloodied bedsheets proving her innocence.

Nothing prevents the House from bringing additional charges. So the strategy works if Trump did not commit additional crimes. What are the chances?
Title: Re: The Rudy Colludy Schadenfreude Thread
Post by: Surly1 on January 16, 2020, 03:56:40 AM
My guess, he walks.

I agree with that assessment in the Show Trial in the Senate.

I am not so sure about the Court of Public Opinion in the 2020 Election.

RE

After the Parnas revelations yesterday, there will be more, rather than less, information popping up unbidden by #TeamTreason. Nancy Pelosi sitting on the articles of impeachment for a couple of weeks was a great idea from that standpoint. the calendar is on her side.

The next Demodope Debate should be quite entertaining!  :icon_mrgreen:

Then on to Iowa & New Hampshire!  This is going to be a GREAT year for Diner Political Collapse Commentary!  :icon_sunny:

RE

Drama! Getcher drama right here!!

New audio shows that Elizabeth Warren said Bernie Sanders 'called me a liar on national TV' in a heated postdebate encounter (https://www.businessinsider.com/warren-sanders-audio-liar-national-tv-post-debate-exchange-2020-1)

"I think you called me a liar on national TV."

"Are you talking to me?"
Title: Lev Parnas Roped in Everybody, But the Funniest Is Devin Nunes
Post by: Surly1 on January 16, 2020, 10:17:48 AM
Rudy Giuliani's Ukraine Henchman Lev Parnas Roped in Everybody, But the Funniest Is Devin Nunes (https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a30546244/lev-parnas-interview-trump-ukraine-devin-nunes/?source=nl&utm_source=nl_esq&utm_medium=email&date=011620&utm_campaign=nl19162492)
The ranking member of the House Intelligence Committee is face planting all over the place.


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Let's get one thing out of the way: Lev Parnas might be making himself useful now, but he's got no business wearing that flag pin. It's almost like wearing a small metal figurine on your lapel doesn't actually say anything about your commitment to the American national interest. (cc: 2008.) These Trumpworld creatures who head for the ratlines are basically all the same: guys who would do anything for The Boss until they get caught, at which point they are Just Trying to Do the Right Thing and, perhaps, stay alive. You don't simply give two weeks notice when you're operating in the underworld.

Still, Parnas seemed fairly forthright in his interview Wednesday night with Rachel Maddow, and he made some logical points. Why, indeed, would the President of Ukraine's inner circle meet with him unless he represented the American president? But there's no reason to take Parnas's word alone on anything. Luckily, for some of it, you don't need to just take his word: he supplied a ton of texts that show a deep and extensive relationship with Rudy Giuliani, Trump's point man on the Ukrainian ratfucking.

Other texts appear to point to a surveillance and intimidation campaign—to accompany the smear campaign—against former Ukraine Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch, who was an obstacle to the Trumpist ratfucking over there. Parnas threw cold water on the notion the erratic Trump ally texting him, Robert Hyde, was doing all he said he was with respect to Yovanovitch. Still, the Ukrainian government has announced it's opening an investigation. Meanwhile, Hyde is running for the United States Congress.

The real headline, however, was Parnas's claim that President Trump "knew exactly what was going on." Again, you can't just take his word for it, though he did offer an explanation—that Rudy Giuliani, frequent butt-dialer, would in Parnas's presence jump on the horn with Trump on speakerphone to tell him about the plot, or that Trump would yell-talk so loud Parnas could hear him—that dovetails with what we knew previously. Parnas also unequivocally sought to rope in Vice President Mike Pence, suggesting he canceled his Ukraine trip as part of the quid pro quo. And then he really roped in Trump's pet toad, Attorney General William Barr: "Mr. Barr absolutely knew everything," Parnas said, before offering a caveat. “I mean, It’s impossible [that he didn’t]." But then he doubled down: "Attorney General Barr was basically on the team." Everyone knew about the Ukraine operation, and everyone—including the Ukrainians—knew it was about ratfucking Biden.

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Parnas and Giuliani attended the funeral of George H.W. Bush together in 2018.

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If you're keeping score at home, this henchman just roped in the President of the United States, the vice president, the attorney general, and of course, the president's personal lawyer. Seems bad! Or maybe, as Trump and his allies will soon suggest, he's just lying to avoid a lengthy prison sentence. It's unclear how lying publicly at length will do that, but maybe so! Those same folks will also say they don't know Parnas—he's a coffee boy! In fact, it's already begun with the president and with Kellyanne Conway. So here's a photo of Parnas with her. Here's one with Trump, Pence, and Giuliani. Here's one with Trump Junior and a major Republican fundraiser.

And then there's Devin Nunes. The California congressman kicked off the Trump Era by sneaking onto the White House grounds—after switching Ubers! spy shit!—to receive intel from an administration official geared towards propping up the president's spurious claim he was "spied" on during the campaign. Nunes, then the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, was theoretically supposed to provide oversight of the administration—not run interference for them. By the time the Ukraine fiasco hit, the House Republicans were in the minority, so Nunes was the ranking member of the committee. Still, it would have been nice for him to mention, while he sat next to Adam Schiff overseeing the hearings, that he had been in contact with a core operator in the scheme. No wonder Nunes spent the entire time reading off batshit conspiracy theories to create clips packaged for Facebook and Fox News.

Anyway, all this led to a hilarious public face plant from Nunes, who always looks like a cow stuck in the headlights anyway.

He didn't recognize the name! Could have been any Lev, any Parnas. His office gets a lot of phone calls! Suddenly he remembers talking to the guy he said he didn't talk to.

Contrast this rambling asshole with what Parnas had to say about him.

If Nunes had any shame, he would resign—but of course, he's only there because he doesn't. I think often about something historian Douglas Brinkley said to me for a piece on Trump's Great American Heist: "It's by nature almost impossible for Trump to build an administration of quality," he said. "It's not about good governance or ethics or even dead-rock patriotism. It's about full-bore allegiance to him, to Trump."

As this era has worn on, the president's allies in his administration and in Congress have steadily declined in quality, as anyone with even a modicum of competence or shame has jumped ship. He lost the Adults in the Room in his Cabinet, not that they were doing much good anyway. Ex-Speaker Paul Ryan, an anti-government extremist with at least a modicum of primal cleverness, has quit and been replaced with the comically incompetent Kevin McCarthy. (The House Republican leader also has a photo with Parnas.) The intelligence has steadily leaked out of the Republican side of government, and all that's left is Devin Nunes. Rudy Giuliani—a man who appears in similar cognitive decline to the president's—is running Stupid Black-Ops in the post-Soviet world. The only intelligent ally Trump has left is the megalomaniacal Mitch McConnell, who is ruthlessly effective in part because of his incredible shamelessness.

Time will tell if the latest Trumpian turncoat will make a lick of difference. History says no. Maybe the sheer stupidity and public shamelessness of all the corruption will anesthetize the American public once again—although support for removing the president from office was at 52 percent before his Ukraine henchman formally roped him into the plot on national TV. Again, maybe Parnas is lying, but it's unlikely federal investigators will give him a sweetheart plea deal for spouting off false information about the president. Maybe, just maybe, Donald Trump has all these sketchballs in his orbit because he is a fucking mobster who operates on the principles of force, leverage, and the steadfast belief that the rules do not apply to him.

Title: Lordy, There Are Tapes...
Post by: Surly1 on January 24, 2020, 02:49:18 PM
Rudy Pal Igor Fruman Taped Trump Trying to Fire Ukraine Ambassador: Lawyer (https://www.thedailybeast.com/rudy-pal-igor-fruman-taped-trump-trying-to-fire-ukraine-ambassador-lawyer?ref=home)

The tape may contradict Trump’s claim that he does not know the two Giuliani associates who worked to have the U.S. ambassador to Ukraine removed.

Betsy Swan

Political Reporter

EXCLUSIVE

A recently indicted associate of Rudy Giuliani taped President Donald Trump calling for the firing of Ukraine Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch, according to the lawyer for a second Giuliani associate

Joseph Bondy, a lawyer for Florida businessman Lev Parnas, told The Daily Beast that the recording was made by former partner Igor Fruman. Both men were arrested in October and charged with campaign-finance violations.

ABC News reported Friday morning that it reviewed audio of a dinner attended by Trump, Parnas, Fruman, and others. A voice that appears to be the president’s tells the group that he wanted to “get rid of” Yovanovitch, per ABC, an apparent contradiction to Trump’s claim that he does not know Parnas. 

“Last year, before he was arrested, Mr. Parnas personally heard a recording of his April 30, 2018 dinner with the president and others, made by Mr. Fruman, at which the subject of Ambassador Yovanovitch was discussed,” Bondy said. “We have hoped that, to the extent this recording still existed, it would be released to Congress for use in the impeachment trial.” 

A lawyer for Fruman was not at liberty to discuss the matter. ABC News reviewmatches the description Bondy gave The Daily Beast. Unnamed sources told the network that Fruman made the recording, which The Daily Beast has not reviewed.

Parnas has previously described a dinner at Trump Hotel with supporters of the president in April 2018 that he and Fruman attended. He said that he raised concerns about Yovanovitch to Trump, and that the president then turned to an aide and told him she should be fired. At the time, Yovanovitch was the U.S. ambassador to Ukraine. Giuliani, Fruman, and Parnas were trying to have her fired. 

Trump eventually recalled Yovanovitch in May 2019. Months later, he pressured Ukraine’s president to announce investigations of a company linked to the family of former Vice President Joe Biden. At the same time, Trump withheld military aid that Congress had appropriated for Ukraine. And his team refused to arrange a White House visit for Ukraine’s president, even though they had formally invited him. That pressure campaign is the focus of Democrats’ efforts to have Trump removed from the White House. His trial is currently underway in the Senate.

Title: Re: The Rudy Colludy Schadenfreude Thread
Post by: Eddie on January 24, 2020, 02:56:22 PM
Sweet Jesus.
Title: Re: The Rudy Colludy Schadenfreude Thread
Post by: Surly1 on January 24, 2020, 03:22:27 PM
Sweet Jesus.

At least it's presumed he was talking about firing: "Take her out! Get it done tomorrow!" Like any innocent man would.

I also assume he wasn't talking about dinner and a movie.
Title: ‘Fox & Friends’ Desperately Tries to End Unhinged Giuliani Interview, Fails
Post by: Surly1 on January 25, 2020, 04:05:46 AM
‘Fox & Friends’ Desperately Tries to End Unhinged Giuliani Interview, Repeatedly Fails (https://www.thedailybeast.com/fox-and-friends-desperately-tries-to-end-rudy-giuliani-interview-repeatedly-fails?ref=home)

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President Donald Trump’s personal attorney Rudy Giuliani showed up on the president’s favorite morning program on Friday—and apparently didn’t want to leave.

A day after Giuliani claimed on Twitter that he was about to go public with evidence that will reveal the “Biden Family Enterprise made millions by selling public office” when Joe Biden was vice president, the former New York City mayor sat down on Fox & Friends’ curvy couch for what can generously be described as an unhinged, rambling, off-the-rails performance.

Giuliani, whose involvement in the Ukraine scandal is at the heart of the president’s impeachment, continually left the hosts of the Fox News slack-jawed as he prattled on and bulldozed right through their efforts to keep him from incriminating and implicating himself.

For example, as he claimed he would provide “compelling” evidence later in the day on a podcast to support his wild assertions about the Bidens that seemingly ensnare the entire Obama administration AND Hillary Clinton, co-host Brian Kilmeade wanted to make sure “the State Department and the White House know everything you were doing."

Elsewhere in the interview, which was aired in front of a live studio audience, the one-time America’s Mayor dismissed text messages and call logs with shady businessman Lev Parnas and other figures associated with Ukraine, oddly boasting, “How about all those phone records that show that I am a very hard-working lawyer?”

Finally, after Giuliani once again repeated his Biden-related conspiracies, co-host Steve Doocy stepped in to wrap up the segment.

“I know you could go clear through noon when your podcast starts. Give it up for Rudy Giuliani,” Doocy exclaimed to cheers from the audience. “We’re going to be watching.”

The Trump lawyer, however, wasn’t budging, instead saying that he’d only shown the “tip of the iceberg” while rambling on some more.

“Rudy, we’re done,” Doocy begged, prompting Kilmeade to add, “We have got to go. The president wants you to continue this investigation?”

“Would you like me to give up?” Giuliani replied, before adding, “Would you like me to say OK, Biden can keep his 8 million that he got in bribes. He can keep all the bribes that they got.”

Again, Doocy tried to give the signal that the interview was over, telling Giuliani that “we’re waiting for noon” for the podcast. Giuliani, meanwhile, ignored Doocy while asking Kilmeade if he should “give it up” while grabbing his head and awkwardly leaning off the couch.

The ex-mayor would continue to steamroll over Doocy’s efforts to go to commercial break so he could get yet another last word in, finally giving it up after Doocy’s fifth attempt to end the interview.
Title: Don't Cyber With Rudy, Your Computer Will Get The Herp!
Post by: Surly1 on February 20, 2020, 04:12:02 PM
Rudy's back, and Evan Hurst has him.

Don't Cyber With Rudy, Your Computer Will Get The Herp! (https://www.wonkette.com/dont-click-rudys-cybers-your-computer-will-get-the-butt-herpes)

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Listen: Y'all know how Rudy Giuliani is a cyber-expert, yeah? How he was literally the Trump administration's Guy On The Cyber Beat, how marketed himself as a "security expert," and how he was going to be the spokesmodel for Lev Parnas's Fraud Guarantee company, which was not actually set up for the purposes of guaranteeing fraud, ALLEGEDLY?

And you know how while Rudy's cyber-prowess is obviously well-documented, he has a propensity for locking himself out of his iPhone, butt-dialing reporters,and also accidentally fucking up the spacing in his tweets and accidentally creating URLs, which funny people then buy and redirect them to anti-Trump things?

Example:

DON'T. CLICK. THAT. LINK.

Cnet reports that, on top of the funny people buying Rudy's accidental URLs, hackers are buying them and using them to prey on idiots:

Sometimes, typing the wrong letter for a website address means sending visitors to a 404 page. When you're Rudy Giuliani, it means potentially sending hundreds of thousands of followers straight to a virus.

Hackers have been taking advantage of typos in tweets by the former New York City mayor, buying the mistyped domain names and redirecting visitors to a fake page designed to spread malware rather than to the original page that Giuliani had meant to type.

Jerome Segura, a director of threat intelligence at cybersecurity company Malwarebytes, discovered a tweet sent Sunday with a blatant typo that led to a website prompting visitors to download a Google Chrome extension, which would read people's browsing history and change their default search engine.

Oh great. Rudy has 655,000 Twitter followers. Considering the type of person who looks up to and respects Rudy, his average follower is probably pretty dumb and not good at computer.

How many people has Rudy's cybering infected so far? God knows.

He even typos the URL for his own website, and hackers are all over that too, creating fake websites and shooting malware out into the world. And all because Rudy decided to internet.

Another Rudy cyber-problem that Cnet points out? Oh nothing, just reporters have ended up with malware after going to his actual website.

New York Daily News editorial member Laura Nahmias literally had to buy a new laptop, because of malware she got from Rudy's own website:

There is much more in the Cnet piece, if you'd like to learn everything about Rudy's cyber-crotch crickets.

But STAY AWAY from all Rudy's actual internets, or if you decide to explore, put TWO condoms on your computer.

And this is your Open Thread. Chat safely.

[Cnet]

Follow Evan Hurst on Twitter RIGHT HERE, DO IT RIGHT HERE!

Title: Re: Don't Cyber With Rudy, Your Computer Will Get The Herp!
Post by: Eddie on February 20, 2020, 04:19:03 PM
Rudy's back, and Evan Hurst has him.

Don't Cyber With Rudy, Your Computer Will Get The Herp! (https://www.wonkette.com/dont-click-rudys-cybers-your-computer-will-get-the-butt-herpes)

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<div class="metadata singleline"><a href="https://www.wonkette.com/u/evan_hurst" class="byline">Evan Hurst[/url]<span class="delimiter"></span><span class="date">February 20, 2020 04:27 PM</span></div>
<p>Listen: Y'all know how Rudy Giuliani <a href="https://www.wonkette.com/rudy-giuliani-cybered-himself-again" target="_blank">is a cyber-expert,[/url] yeah? How he was literally the Trump administration's Guy On The Cyber Beat, how <a href="https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/982358838887231489" target="_blank">marketed himself[/url] as a "security expert," and how he was <a href="https://www.wonkette.com/lev-parnas-maybe-more-f-cked-who-bill-barr-will-save-rudy-giuliani-now" target="_blank">going to be the spokesmodel[/url] for Lev Parnas's Fraud Guarantee company, which was not actually set up for the purposes of guaranteeing fraud, ALLEGEDLY?</p>
<p>And you know how while Rudy's cyber-prowess is obviously well-documented, he has a propensity for <a href="https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/rudy-giuliani-needed-apple-genius-help-unlock-his-iphone-after-n1074241?fbclid=IwAR1qqAxdODlSOgdu-DPMkAXJ29ICVpgapKvDZJHOBctbgcUAJSIv9nl0OMo" target="_blank">locking himself out[/url] of his iPhone, <a href="https://www.wonkette.com/icymi-rudys-ass" target="_blank">butt-dialing reporters,[/url]and also accidentally fucking up the spacing in his tweets and accidentally creating URLs, which funny people then buy and redirect them to <a href="https://www.cnet.com/news/rudy-giuliani-says-twitter-let-someone-invade-his-tweets-typo/" target="_blank">anti-Trump things?[/url]</p>
<p>Example:</p>
<p>DON'T. CLICK. THAT. LINK.</p>
<p>Cnet <a href="https://www.cnet.com/news/why-rudy-giulianis-twitter-typos-are-a-security-fail/" target="_blank">reports[/url] that, on top of the funny people buying Rudy's accidental URLs, hackers are buying them and using them to prey on idiots:</p>
Sometimes, typing the wrong letter for a website address means sending visitors to a 404 page. When you're Rudy Giuliani, it means potentially sending hundreds of thousands of followers straight to a virus.



Hackers have been taking advantage of typos in tweets by the former New York City mayor, buying the mistyped domain names and redirecting visitors to a fake page designed to spread <a href="https://www.cnet.com/news/tiktok-flaws-could-have-let-hackers-text-you-malware/" target="_blank">malware[/url] rather than to the original page that Giuliani had meant to type.



Jerome Segura, a director of threat intelligence at cybersecurity company Malwarebytes, discovered a tweet sent Sunday with a blatant typo that led to a website prompting visitors to download a Google Chrome extension, which would read people's browsing history and change their default search engine.

<p>Oh great. Rudy has 655,000 Twitter followers. Considering the type of person who looks up to and respects Rudy, his average follower is probably pretty dumb and not good at computer.</p>
<p>How many people has Rudy's cybering infected so far? God knows.</p>
<p>He even typos the URL for his own website, and hackers are all over that too, creating fake websites and shooting malware out into the world. And all because Rudy decided to internet.</p>
<p>Another Rudy cyber-problem that Cnet points out? Oh nothing, just reporters have <a href="https://twitter.com/nahmias/status/1222231315023527937" target="_blank">ended up[/url] with malware after going to his actual website.</p>
<p>New York Daily News editorial member Laura Nahmias literally had to buy a new laptop, because of malware she got from Rudy's own website:</p>
<p>There is much more in the Cnet piece, if you'd like to learn everything about Rudy's cyber-crotch crickets.</p>
<p>But STAY AWAY from all Rudy's actual internets, or if you decide to explore, put TWO condoms on your computer.</p>
<p>And this is your Open Thread. Chat safely.</p>
<p>[<a href="https://www.cnet.com/news/why-rudy-giulianis-twitter-typos-are-a-security-fail/" target="_blank">Cnet[/url]]</p>
<p><strong>Follow Evan Hurst on Twitter <a href="http://twitter.com/evanhurst" target="_blank">RIGHT HERE, DO IT RIGHT HERE![/url]</strong></p>
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But the hackers couldn't be Russians.......Ukrainians, probably. Acting in concert with Hunter Biden...and maybe Julian Assange.
Title: Re: The Rudy Colludy Schadenfreude Thread
Post by: K-Dog on February 20, 2020, 05:30:39 PM
 Julian Assange is in prison with bad health.  Julian is not helping anybody.  Julian needs help. You were kidding.

This is a smoking gun:

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New York Daily News editorial member Laura Nahmias literally had to buy a new laptop, because of malware she got from Rudy's own website:

That is enough to show the whole thing is manipulative crap that isn't reporting anything.  It is a dirty trick.  It is too easy to read that sentence in the context of the legitimate factual distortions and take it in as real but this is not a distortion.  That sentence is absolutely false and a lie.

When was the last time you knew someone who bought a new laptop because a website infected them?  That is not going to happen.  Browsers are not built to allow hardware to be changed by websites.  To provide such functionality to a browser special software has to be installed to bridge the gap.  But regardless, wiping the disk clean and reinstalling I'll assume WINDOZE gives you the same thing as a new computer without spending any money.
Title: Re: The Rudy Colludy Schadenfreude Thread
Post by: Eddie on February 20, 2020, 05:53:43 PM
Julian Assange is in prison with bad health.  Julian is not helping anybody.  Julian needs help. You were kidding.

This is a smoking gun:

Quote
New York Daily News editorial member Laura Nahmias literally had to buy a new laptop, because of malware she got from Rudy's own website:

That is enough to show the whole thing is manipulative crap that isn't reporting anything.  It is a dirty trick.  It is too easy to read that sentence in the context of the legitimate factual distortions but this is not a distortion.  That sentence is false.

When was the last time you knew someone who bought a new laptop because a website infected them?  That is not going to happen.  Browsers are not built to allow hardware to be changed by websites.  To provide that functionality to a browser special software has to be installed to bridge the gap.  But regardless, Wiping the disk clean and reinstalling I'll assume WINDOZE gives you the same thing as a new computer without spending any money.

I was kidding. I was satirizing....doing my best Giuliani. Sorry you think it's off-limits or something. I feel sorry enough for Assange. I certainly wish he were free.

Maybe he is a hero. I haven't made up my mind about him. I would not have done what he did, I can tell you that. He had to know it was going to result in him getting seriously jammed up with the most powerful people on earth.

I don't understand the kind of karma that's involved in that kind of action....what kind of impetus it takes to do something that they know will make their life a living hell. Make their loved-ones suffer.. And in the light of 2020 vision hindsight it doesn't look like it even had positive results......his sacrifice I mean.

On whether Rudy is responsible for his followers getting computer viruses? I don't really care....but I suppose you're probably correct. I wouldn't buy new hardware just because I got a virus...but maybe people at that level find it easier than having their hard disc wiped.
Title: Re: The Rudy Colludy Schadenfreude Thread
Post by: K-Dog on February 20, 2020, 06:13:45 PM
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I don't understand the kind of karma that's involved in that kind of action....what kind of impetus it takes to do something that they know will make their life a living hell.

To some people the chance however remote of living a life that actually means something in the scheme of things is an irresistible attraction.  The fear of it also makes other people flee from such a destiny as if their ass were on fire.  Most flee.

Do you really not understand?

http://www.youtube.com/v/4YbMqcQK0k4

Unless you think ignorance is bliss Julian is a hero.

In the pile of links on my website there is this. https://www.transparency.org/ (https://www.transparency.org/). It is the link I am most proud of.  It is not the best link I have by scope of content or by look and feel.  Instead it is focused and reflects a fundamental belief in how the world should operate.  A belief that those with privilege have great disdain for.

Remembering nothing was very important to Cypher.  He chose to live in a palace of darkness knowing that as soon as he was comfortable in his palace doubts would plague him.  Cypher had to remember nothing because he knew he was choosing evil and the memory of his choice would bring him no peace. 
Title: Re: The Rudy Colludy Schadenfreude Thread
Post by: K-Dog on February 21, 2020, 01:16:12 AM
Julian Assange is in prison with bad health.  Julian is not helping anybody.  Julian needs help. You were kidding.

This is a smoking gun:

Quote
New York Daily News editorial member Laura Nahmias literally had to buy a new laptop, because of malware she got from Rudy's own website:

That is enough to show the whole thing is manipulative crap that isn't reporting anything.  It is a dirty trick.  It is too easy to read that sentence in the context of the legitimate factual distortions but this is not a distortion.  That sentence is false.

When was the last time you knew someone who bought a new laptop because a website infected them?  That is not going to happen.  Browsers are not built to allow hardware to be changed by websites.  To provide that functionality to a browser special software has to be installed to bridge the gap.  But regardless, Wiping the disk clean and reinstalling I'll assume WINDOZE gives you the same thing as a new computer without spending any money.

I was kidding. I was satirizing....doing my best Giuliani. Sorry you think it's off-limits or something. I feel sorry enough for Assange. I certainly wish he were free.

Maybe he is a hero. I haven't made up my mind about him. I would not have done what he did, I can tell you that. He had to know it was going to result in him getting seriously jammed up with the most powerful people on earth.

I don't understand the kind of karma that's involved in that kind of action....what kind of impetus it takes to do something that they know will make their life a living hell. Make their loved-ones suffer.. And in the light of 2020 vision hindsight it doesn't look like it even had positive results......his sacrifice I mean.

On whether Rudy is responsible for his followers getting computer viruses? I don't really care....but I suppose you're probably correct. I wouldn't buy new hardware just because I got a virus...but maybe people at that level find it easier than having their hard disc wiped.

Turns out the odor I smelled was right: Here is another take on Giuliani.  The article came from the middle of a cat-fight.  I never took the Biden controversy seriously enough to look into it.  I therefore was subject to its influence in a small way because I pair Biden and Obama together and I consider Obama to be a snake in the grass.  I could never vote for Biden under any circumstances.  Even if they gave him a diploma like in the Wizard of Oz.

http://www.youtube.com/v/ksKzGwqfVZI

My Notes:
Title: Re: The Rudy Colludy Schadenfreude Thread
Post by: Eddie on February 21, 2020, 08:07:57 AM
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I don't understand the kind of karma that's involved in that kind of action....what kind of impetus it takes to do something that they know will make their life a living hell.

To some people the chance however remote of living a life that actually means something in the scheme of things is an irresistible attraction.  The fear of it also makes other people flee from such a destiny as if their ass were on fire.  Most flee.

Do you really not understand?

http://www.youtube.com/v/4YbMqcQK0k4

Unless you think ignorance is bliss Julian is a hero.

In the pile of links on my website there is this. https://www.transparency.org/ (https://www.transparency.org/). It is the link I am most proud of.  It is not the best link I have by scope of content or by look and feel.  Instead it is focused and reflects a fundamental belief in how the world should operate.  A belief that those with privilege have great disdain for.

Remembering nothing was very important to Cypher.  He chose to live in a palace of darkness knowing that as soon as he was comfortable in his palace doubts would plague him.  Cypher had to remember nothing because he knew he was choosing evil and the memory of his choice would bring him no peace.

Living. a life with meaning doesn't have to involve sacrificing yourself on the altar of stupidity.

Sorry, you have it wrong, as usual.

The matrix is a bad movie about a fantasy....it has nothing to do with reality. Most of the analogies people use, taken from that second rate screenplay...aren't what I'd call profound.

Assange took it on.himself to be a big player in the 2016 election. He could have disseminated the information he leaked in many different ways...and it would have never been traceable to him at all. But he announced, in advance, that he had bombshells that could turn the election....and then he chose to dump the info at precisely the right moment to throw a monkey wrench into the American political machine,

Looks ego-driven to me. It sure does.

Title: Re: The Rudy Colludy Schadenfreude Thread
Post by: Surly1 on March 30, 2020, 03:42:36 AM
Been wondering what Rudy's been doing lately?

Rudy Giuliani has Twitter account temporarily blocked for spreading 'COVID-19 misinformation'
 (https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2020/03/coronavirus-rudy-giuliani-has-twitter-account-temporarily-blocked-for-spreading-covid-19-misinformation.html)

(https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2020/03/coronavirus-rudy-giuliani-has-twitter-account-temporarily-blocked-for-spreading-covid-19-misinformation/_jcr_content/par/image.dynimg.full.q75.jpg/v1585528372010/GettyImages-955082056-rudy-giuliani-trump-lawyer-1120.jpg)

James Fyfe


Rudy Giuliani had a Twitter post deleted over the weekend and his account temporarily blocked after he spread "COVID19 misinformation"

Giuliani, Donald Trump's personal attorney and the former Mayor of New York City, claimed that the malaria drug hydroxychloroquine has been proven to safeguard against coronavirus, something experts say is not the case. 

"Hydroxychloroquine has been shown to have a 100% effective rate treating COVID-19 yet Democrat Gretchen Whitmer is threatening doctors who prescribe it," Giuliani tweeted.

"If Trump is for something - Democrats are against it. They're okay with people dying if it means opposing Trump".

According to Fox News, Giuliani copied the tweet from conservative youth activist Charlie Kirk, with the media outlet reporting that Twitter had confirmed that the post was taken down and both accounts were temporarily locked due to a violation of its user rules regarding the spread of COVID-19 misinformation.

Giuliani's comment came after Trump claimed last week during a press conference that the anti-malaria drug could help fight the coronavirus outbreak.

"I sure as hell think we ought to give it a try," Trump said. He later tweeted that the drug - if used in combination with the antibiotic azithromycin - could be "one of the biggest game-changers in the history of medicine".

Trump was later contradicted by Dr Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, who said there was only "anecdotal evidence" the drugs could help.

Other doctors have warned that the drugs could cause cardiac arrhythmia, a condition that can be fatal for patients with heart conditions, according to The Los Angeles Times.

Coronavirus: Rudy Giuliani has Twitter account temporarily blocked for spreading 'COVID-19 misinformation'

According to a French study which looked at work by Chinese researchers, there was some evidence that hydroxychloroquine could slow the spread of COVID-19 by blocking it from entering cells in the body. But other research appears to show it has no obvious benefits, and in some cases has negative effects, according to The Guardian

A man in Arizona died last week after drinking chloroquine phosphate, a chemical normally used to clean fish tanks and containing the same active ingredient as the anti-malaria drugs touted by Trump.

The man's wife, who also became sick after ingesting the chemical, told NBC News they took the substance after hearing Trump's comments.

Title: Re: The Rudy Colludy Schadenfreude Thread
Post by: Eddie on March 30, 2020, 04:31:02 AM
Drinking the Trump Kool-Aid might be hazardous to your health.
Title: Re: The Rudy Colludy Schadenfreude Thread
Post by: Surly1 on June 05, 2020, 07:02:02 AM
Been wondering what Rudy Colludy has been up to these days? Wonder no more.

The video won't embed, but it is instructive to see Rudy 9-11 lose his shit with Piers Morgan. Subtitle could be, "the hard right v. the fascist right."

Watch Rudy Giuliani and Piers Morgan duke it out on air (https://www.cnn.com/videos/business/2020/06/04/piers-morgan-rudy-giuliani-on-air-spar-orig.cnn-business/video/playlists/business-news/)

On "Good Morning Britain" host Piers Morgan got in a verbal altercation with former New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani


https://www.cnn.com/videos/business/2020/06/04/piers-morgan-rudy-giuliani-on-air-spar-orig.cnn-business/video/playlists/business-news/ (https://www.cnn.com/videos/business/2020/06/04/piers-morgan-rudy-giuliani-on-air-spar-orig.cnn-business/video/playlists/business-news/)