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Title: ☠️ Stupid Science Article of the Week
Post by: RE on November 12, 2019, 07:34:42 AM
Stated another way, sometime in the  next 14,000 Years, Homo Sap stands a good probability of going Extinct.  ::)  That would be the In the Year 16,020.

It will come In the Year 9595.  So spaketh Zager & Evans.

http://www.youtube.com/v/zKQfxi8V5FA

http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/blog/2015/05/17/the-human-extinction-survey/ (http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/blog/2015/05/17/the-human-extinction-survey/)

RE

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-7673963/Humans-1-14-000-chances-going-extinct-year-getting-struck-lightning.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-7673963/Humans-1-14-000-chances-going-extinct-year-getting-struck-lightning.html)

Tuesday, Nov 12th 2019 6AM 32F 9AM 31F 5-Day Forecast

Humans have a 1 in 14,000 chance of going extinct next year - more likely than the odds an individual has of being struck by lightning, study finds

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    Looked at fossils and archaeological data from artifacts 350,000 years old
    Calculated that humans have a 1 in 14,000 chance of going extinct any give year
    This is of natural events, but experts say it increases with man-made risks

By Stacy Liberatore For Dailymail.com

Published: 14:54 EST, 11 November 2019 | Updated: 06:05 EST, 12 November 2019


Humans have a higher risk of going extinct in the next year than an individual does of being attacked by a shark or struck by lightning, a new study has found.

Researchers concluded the probability of our species dying off from natural causes in any given year is one in 14,000.

The team has also noted the risk increases when man-made threats are added to the calculation - this includes nuclear weapons or climate change.

The recent study into human extinction was conducted by researchers at the University of Oxford, which set out to determine the total probability of human extinction from natural causes, including asteroid impacts and super volcanic eruptions.

The team looked at the 200,000-year reign of humans on Earth to determine the probability we could disappear from the planet.

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Experts concluded the probability of our species dying off from natural causes in any given year is one in 14,000 (stock). The team has also noted the risk increases when man-made threats are added to the calculation -this includes nuclear weapons or climate change
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Experts concluded the probability of our species dying off from natural causes in any given year is one in 14,000 (stock). The team has also noted the risk increases when man-made threats are added to the calculation -this includes nuclear weapons or climate change

This calculation means that humans have a greater chance of becoming extinct than an individual has of being struck by lightning (1 in 700,000), being attacked by a shark (1 in 650,000) or even dating a supermodel (1 in 880,000), as reported by The Sun.

In a second part of the study, the team looked at fossil data and found that the probability decreased to one in 23,000.
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The team gathered archaeological and fossil records from artifacts that are hundreds of thousands years old many of which came from Morocco and Ethiopia.

Last year, a separate team of researchers designed a model to determine the three possible fates for our planet as Earth's population grows and the effects of climate change worsen.

Mathematicians modeled how advanced civilizations on ancient exoplanets might have survived or perished when faced with a similar changing environment.
The team gathered archaeological and fossil records from artifacts that are hundreds of thousands years old many of which came from Morocco and Ethiopia - in a second part of the study
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The team gathered archaeological and fossil records from artifacts that are hundreds of thousands years old many of which came from Morocco and Ethiopia - in a second part of the study

They showed that humanity could go through a soft landing, a gradual die-off, or full blown collapse.

Experts said a die-off, in which as much as seven in ten of a planet's inhabitants were wiped out before stabilizing, was by far the most common outcome.

A soft landing was the most positive outcome, and occurred when a civilization adapted to its changing planet without a mass extinction.

During a full blown collapse, the planet was too sensitive to recover from damage caused by its inhabitants, leading to a rapid annihilation of all intelligent life.

Even when planets switched to renewable fuels to save themselves from extinction, the damage done was sometimes still enough to wipe out the inhabitants, according to the models.

Scientists said the simulations reveal 'a radical truth about the challenge we face as we push the Earth into its human-dominated era.' 
Last year, a separate team of researchers designed a model to determine the three possible fates for our planet as Earth's population grows and the effects of climate change worsen The red dots show where the civilization is stable with its environment. The green line shows how the population grew with its environment
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Last year, a separate team of researchers designed a model to determine the three possible fates for our planet as Earth's population grows and the effects of climate change worsen The red dots show where the civilization is stable with its environment. The green line shows how the population grew with its environment
This image shows a modeled population in which it uses its resources poorly leading to a highly unstable environment. As conditions on the planet collapse, the civilizations in these scenarios are quickly wiped out leading to a 'full-blown' collapse
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This image shows a modeled population in which it uses its resources poorly leading to a highly unstable environment. As conditions on the planet collapse, the civilizations in these scenarios are quickly wiped out leading to a 'full-blown' collapse

The team, led by scientists at the University of Rochester in New York, used models for population growth on Earth to mark out how alien planets may have grown.

Using statistical models they mapped out possible histories of alien worlds, the civilizations they grew, and the climate change that followed.

They called these societies 'Exo-civilizations' and say that learning from their mistakes could help us prepare for the effects of climate change.

Unfortunately, of the three fates observed, none were positive.

The most common outcome observed by the team was known as the die-off.

As the civilization on the simulated planets used energy, its population exploded, but its use of resources pushed the planet away from the conditions the society had become accustomed to.

As the population continued to expand the planet became uninhabitable, forcing a devastating drop in the number of civilians until a sustainable planetary civilization was achieved once more.

In many of the models, researchers observed that as much as 70 percent of the population perished before a steady state was reached again.

The second outcome viewed by the team was the soft landing - the most positive outcome of the three observed.

This time, the growing population and the planet maintained a smooth transition to a new, balanced equilibrium, partly through low-impact resources.

Although the localisation changed the planet, it did so without triggering a mass extinction, like those observed in the first outcome.

Outcome number three was a full-blown collapse, which also started with a skyrocketing population.

However, these worlds were too sensitive to change and were unable to cope with a rapidly expanding, resource-hungry civilization.

As conditions on the worlds collapsed around them, the civilizations in these scenarios were rapidly wiped out.
Title: Re: ☠️ Stupid Science Article of the Week
Post by: Surly1 on November 13, 2019, 01:22:37 AM
Stated another way, sometime in the  next 14,000 Years, Homo Sap stands a good probability of going Extinct.  ::)  That would be the In the Year 16,020.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-7673963/Humans-1-14-000-chances-going-extinct-year-getting-struck-lightning.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-7673963/Humans-1-14-000-chances-going-extinct-year-getting-struck-lightning.html)

Tuesday, Nov 12th 2019 6AM 32F 9AM 31F 5-Day Forecast

Humans have a 1 in 14,000 chance of going extinct next year - more likely than the odds an individual has of being struck by lightning, study finds

I recall being convinced by an argument you made in these pages some tome ago about the sheer difficulty of total extinction. Yo9ur argument was based on the math. If there are eight billion people on earth, and some vector wipes out 99.9 per cent, that still leaves 800,000 souls to pick up the pieces.

Some silly shit-- as advertised.
Title: Re: ☠️ Stupid Science Article of the Week
Post by: RE on November 13, 2019, 02:26:05 AM
Stated another way, sometime in the  next 14,000 Years, Homo Sap stands a good probability of going Extinct.  ::)  That would be the In the Year 16,020.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-7673963/Humans-1-14-000-chances-going-extinct-year-getting-struck-lightning.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-7673963/Humans-1-14-000-chances-going-extinct-year-getting-struck-lightning.html)

Tuesday, Nov 12th 2019 6AM 32F 9AM 31F 5-Day Forecast

Humans have a 1 in 14,000 chance of going extinct next year - more likely than the odds an individual has of being struck by lightning, study finds

I recall being convinced by an argument you made in these pages some tome ago about the sheer difficulty of total extinction. Yo9ur argument was based on the math. If there are eight billion people on earth, and some vector wipes out 99.9 per cent, that still leaves 800,000 souls to pick up the pieces.

Some silly shit-- as advertised.

Indeed.  For the ENTIRE planet to become totally uninhabitable for Homo Saps is either going to take quite some time, or an EXTREME event like an impact with a Planet Killer Asteroid.  Even full on Global Thermonuclear War would'kill off EVERYBODY.

On the Math end of things, with the current say 8B Meat Packages taking up space, a 99.9% Knockdown would leave 8M Naked Apes on the Planet, not 800K.  To get down to 800K, you need a 99.99% Knockdown, aka only 1:10,000 survives the Zero Point.

So, barring a Cosmic Event over which we have no control at the moment, (despite claims if we could detect the incoming early enough we could nudge it out of the way with Nuclear tipped Rockets built by Elon Musk) Homo Saps are not going Extinct in 2020.  Nor in your lifetime or mine.  MAYBE it could happen by your Grandchildren's generation.  Even that is a stretch though.

This is a new simulation, with an Asteroid about the size of the one that Knocked off the Dinosaurs.  Not a Planet Killer like the one I have used in the past, but probably big enough to spell DOOM for Homo Saps.  It doesn't have to be all that big.

http://www.youtube.com/v/6jRtnpbclzY

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Title: Re: ☠️ Stupid Science Article of the Week
Post by: K-Dog on November 13, 2019, 06:05:46 AM
That video is horrible.  Nothing like reality.  The Daily Mail article is similar.  Nowhere is the methodology behind the modeling discussed and that's mathematical masturbation by the dunce hat crowd.
Title: Re: ☠️ Stupid Science Article of the Week
Post by: RE on November 13, 2019, 06:47:38 AM
That video is horrible.  Nothing like reality.  The Daily Mail article is similar.  Nowhere is the methodology behind the modeling discussed and that's mathematical masturbation by the dunce hat crowd.

It's a tad more realistic than the Planet Killer simulation the Discovey Channel did which I have long ued in these discussions. :P

http://www.youtube.com/v/bU1QPtOZQZU

That is like the MOON crashing into the Earth.  No Asteroid that big has EVER hit the Earth since the earliest days of it's formation when the planets were accreting matter in their orbits.

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Title: Re: ☠️ Stupid Science Article of the Week
Post by: azozeo on November 13, 2019, 08:58:29 AM
Just more "Fear-Porn" to sell us more useless crap from China.....
Title: Re: ☠️ Stupid Science Article of the Week
Post by: K-Dog on November 13, 2019, 10:39:27 AM
Stay with the discovery channel even if it is wrong.  It is closer.
Title: Re: ☠️ Stupid Science Article of the Week
Post by: RE on November 13, 2019, 11:14:16 AM
Stay with the discovery channel even if it is wrong.  It is closer.

Where's YOUR Math to show it is closer? ???  :icon_scratch:

I do still like the DC simulation better though.  The Music background is way superior. lol.

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Title: Re: ☠️ Stupid Science Article of the Week
Post by: azozeo on November 13, 2019, 11:48:03 AM
Stay with the discovery channel even if it is wrong.  It is closer.

Where's YOUR Math to show it is closer? ???  :icon_scratch:

I do still like the DC simulation better though.  The Music background is way superior. lol.

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When the "BIG GUY" destroys, the murder weapon ISN'T space rocks.

It's ice balls "B@@M"  :coffee:

The murder weapon turns to liquid.

Please review goog earth at the great lakes area & 10,0000 lakes in Mn.

Shot gun blast of ice  :icon_mrgreen:
Title: Re: ☠️ Stupid Science Article of the Week
Post by: RE on November 13, 2019, 12:13:28 PM
Stay with the discovery channel even if it is wrong.  It is closer.

Where's YOUR Math to show it is closer? ???  :icon_scratch:

I do still like the DC simulation better though.  The Music background is way superior. lol.

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When the "BIG GUY" destroys, the murder weapon ISN'T space rocks.

It's ice balls "B@@M"  :coffee:

The murder weapon turns to liquid.

Please review goog earth at the great lakes area & 10,0000 lakes in Mn.

Shot gun blast of ice  :icon_mrgreen:

Whether the impacting object is Ice or Rock is irrelevant.  It's just a matter of Kinetic Energy, which is strictly Newtonian Mechanics

KE= 1/2 MV2

the BIGGER the object is, the FASTER the speed it arrives at, the more energy it carries with it.  Velocity is the real key here, becaue that is a Square Law.

So, say the Moon got knocked out of orbit and hit the Earth?  It is a fucking BIG ROCK, but it is not far from the Earth and has little time to accelerate.

However, if a Comet (basically water ice) less than 1/8th the size of the moon came Rocketing in from say around Jupiter, because the speed it would develop as it accelerated in the Gravity Well of the SUN was so great, it would have many multiples of the total KE.  I will leave it to K-Dog to work out the exact Math. LOL.

Put it this way though.  If an Ice Cube about the size of Alaska came rocketing in from YOUR ANUS (Uranus), we're all TOAST.

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Title: Re: ☠️ Stupid Science Article of the Week
Post by: azozeo on November 14, 2019, 04:34:30 AM
Stay with the discovery channel even if it is wrong.  It is closer.

Where's YOUR Math to show it is closer? ???  :icon_scratch:

I do still like the DC simulation better though.  The Music background is way superior. lol.

RE


When the "BIG GUY" destroys, the murder weapon ISN'T space rocks.

It's ice balls "B@@M"  :coffee:

The murder weapon turns to liquid.

Please review goog earth at the great lakes area & 10,0000 lakes in Mn.

Shot gun blast of ice  :icon_mrgreen:

Whether the impacting object is Ice or Rock is irrelevant.  It's just a matter of Kinetic Energy, which is strictly Newtonian Mechanics

KE= 1/2 MV2

the BIGGER the object is, the FASTER the speed it arrives at, the more energy it carries with it.  Velocity is the real key here, becaue that is a Square Law.

So, say the Moon got knocked out of orbit and hit the Earth?  It is a fucking BIG ROCK, but it is not far from the Earth and has little time to accelerate.

However, if a Comet (basically water ice) less than 1/8th the size of the moon came Rocketing in from say around Jupiter, because the speed it would develop as it accelerated in the Gravity Well of the SUN was so great, it would have many multiples of the total KE.  I will leave it to K-Dog to work out the exact Math. LOL.

Put it this way though.  If an Ice Cube about the size of Alaska came rocketing in from YOUR ANUS (Uranus), we're all TOAST.

RE



Your letter math is skewed .....

http://www.youtube.com/v/I1nk6dG5j1s&fs=1
Title: Re: ☠️ Stupid Science Article of the Week
Post by: RE on November 14, 2019, 05:04:23 AM
Your letter math is skewed .....

http://www.youtube.com/v/I1nk6dG5j1s&fs=1

Your video is about Gravity, not Kinetic Energy.

RE
Title: Re: ☠️ Stupid Science Article of the Week
Post by: azozeo on November 14, 2019, 05:09:04 AM
Your letter math is skewed .....

http://www.youtube.com/v/I1nk6dG5j1s&fs=1

Your video is about Gravity, not Kinetic Energy.

RE


Define gravity....
Title: Re: ☠️ Stupid Science Article of the Week
Post by: RE on November 14, 2019, 07:06:22 AM

Define gravity....

Gravity is the attraction one Mass has for another Mass.

RE
Title: Re: ☠️ Stupid Science Article of the Week
Post by: azozeo on November 14, 2019, 07:12:49 AM

Define gravity....

Gravity is the attraction one Mass has for another Mass.

RE


Close.....

Electro-magnitism & Air Pressure  :icon_mrgreen:
Title: Re: ☠️ Stupid Science Article of the Week
Post by: RE on November 14, 2019, 07:27:40 AM

Define gravity....

Gravity is the attraction one Mass has for another Mass.

RE


Close.....

Electro-magnitism & Air Pressure  :icon_mrgreen:

NO, electromagnetism is different, it operates on the level of the very small, the electrons that circle about a given atom.  Gravity works on the level of the very large, masses which contain many atoms in aggregate.  Air Pressure has ZERO to do with Gravity.  There is no air in space, it's a Vacuum.

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Title: Re: ☠️ Stupid Science Article of the Week
Post by: azozeo on November 14, 2019, 07:36:39 AM

Define gravity....

Gravity is the attraction one Mass has for another Mass.

RE


Close.....

Electro-magnitism & Air Pressure  :icon_mrgreen:

NO, electromagnetism is different, it operates on the level of the very small, the electrons that circle about a given atom.  Gravity works on the level of the very large, masses which contain many atoms in aggregate.  Air Pressure has ZERO to do with Gravity.  There is no air in space, it's a Vacuum.

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Your quoting Quack-Ademia's solid core Earth Model.

It's hollow, it's documented !

At the core of this planet is a Tetragramaton. Not a swirling mass of liquid hot iron.

Crystal is a better conductor of energy than iron.

I'm sure we can agree that Earth IS a capacitor.
Title: Re: ☠️ Stupid Science Article of the Week
Post by: RE on November 14, 2019, 07:55:04 AM
Your quoting Quack-Ademia's solid core Earth Model.

I am "quoting" nothing besides the math Isaac Newton worked out a few centuries ago.

RE
Title: Re: ☠️ Stupid Science Article of the Week
Post by: azozeo on November 14, 2019, 07:58:07 AM
Your quoting Quack-Ademia's solid core Earth Model.

I am "quoting" nothing besides the math Isaac Newton worked out a few centuries ago.

RE

Are you in the solid core or hollow camp ? Take a stand.
Title: Re: ☠️ Stupid Science Article of the Week
Post by: RE on November 14, 2019, 09:17:07 AM
Your quoting Quack-Ademia's solid core Earth Model.

I am "quoting" nothing besides the math Isaac Newton worked out a few centuries ago.

RE

Are you in the solid core or hollow camp ? Take a stand.

It is irrelevant whether the Earth's Core is Hollow or Solid.  All that is important as far as Gravity is concerned is the Total Mass of the objects in question, in this case the Earth, the Sun, and whatever other object is hurtling in from interstellar space toward the Gravity Well of the Sun, with the Earth happening to be in the WRONG place at the WRONG time and getting in the way. lol

RE
Title: Re: ☠️ Stupid Science Article of the Week
Post by: John of Wallan on November 14, 2019, 10:52:01 AM
Science works by observing reality and coming up with a model that best fits, then testing that model to see if it still stands up.That is why they are called theories... They are always being tested.
If you have a definative statement thats not testable or based on observation, or that cant be tested, (Questioned), , thats not science, its a myth, legend or superstition.

I would rather have questions that cant be answered than answers that cant be questioned.

JOW
Title: Re: ☠️ Stupid Science Article of the Week
Post by: RE on November 23, 2019, 07:04:58 AM
More Science Distraction.  ::)

If there is a "Fifth Force", does it make a fuckwit of difference here on a resource dpleted and over populated Planet Earth?  No.

These Uni professors do get a nice paycheck though. Plus they wear stylish nice white labcoats. ::)

RE

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/a-no-brainer-nobel-prize-hungarian-scientists-may-have-found-a-fifth-force-of-nature/ar-BBXcgsR (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/a-no-brainer-nobel-prize-hungarian-scientists-may-have-found-a-fifth-force-of-nature/ar-BBXcgsR)

A 'no-brainer Nobel Prize': Hungarian scientists may have found a fifth force of nature
By Ryan Prior, CNN

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Essentially the entirety of physics centers on four forces that control our known, visible universe, governing everything from the production of heat in the sun to the way your laptop works. They are gravity, electromagnetism, the weak nuclear force, and the strong force.
a man standing in front of a store: Physicist Attila Krasznahorkay, right, works with a fellow researcher at the Institute for Nuclear Research at the Hungarian Academy of Sciences. Courtesy of Attila Krasznahorkay Physicist Attila Krasznahorkay, right, works with a fellow researcher at the Institute for Nuclear Research at the Hungarian Academy of Sciences.

New research may be leading us closer to one more.

Scientists at the Institute for Nuclear Research at the Hungarian Academy of Sciences (Atomki) have posted findings showing what could be an example of that fifth force at work.

The scientists were closely watching how an excited helium atom emitted light as it decayed. The particles split at an unusual angle, 115 degrees, which couldn't be explained by known physics.

The study's lead scientist, Attila Krasznahorkay, told CNN that this was the second time his team had detected a new particle, which they call X17, because they calculated its mass at 17 megaelectronvolts.

"X17 could be a particle, which connects our visible world with the dark matter," he said in an email.

Jonathan Feng, a professor of physics and astronomy at the University of California, Irvine, told CNN he's been following the Hungarian team's work for years, and believes their research is shaping up to be a game changer.

If these results can be replicated, "this would be a no-brainer Nobel Prize," he said.
Hungarian scientists are building on 2016 results

Three years ago, the Hungarian researchers published a similar paper in Physical Review Letters, one of the most prestigious journals in physics.

The nuclear physics experimental team had been studying another isotope, beryllium-8, as it decays down to a ground state. They saw electrons and positrons splitting off from the atom at unusual angles.

Those findings, which showed particles coming off beryllium-8 at around a 140-degree angle, were strange and new.

"We introduced such a new particle, which nobody saw before, and which existence could not be understood by the widely accepted 'Standard Model' of particle physics, so it faced scrutiny," Krasznahorkay said in an email.

The findings by Krasznahorkay's team didn't get much attention at first, but they raised Feng's eyebrows. He said he "didn't want to leave potentially revolutionary results just sitting on the table."
A physicist in California developed a theory to explain the unusual results

In short, it could change physics as we know it, or it could have just been a simple lab error.

"Some people said they screwed up," Feng said.

But he believed the Hungarians were for real. His research group published a paper on the heels of the Hungarians' 2016 work, laying out a theory to observe what Krasznahorkay's experimental team had seen.

They referred to this unseen fifth force in action as a "photophobic force," meaning that it was as though the particles were "afraid of light."

Meanwhile, nuclear physicists around the world set to work looking for errors in the Hungarians' work, and have come up empty-handed over the past few years.

"Some very well-known nuclear physicists have done that exercise," Feng said.

The numbers seemed to add up, and no one could find ways their equipment was calibrated incorrectly.

And Feng said his own team was comparing the Hungarian experiments with "with every other experiment that's been done in the history of physics."

The only way to explain X17 was a hitherto undetected "fifth force."
The findings point toward the Holy Grail of physics

To move their breakthrough idea from 2016 forward, the Hungarians would need to repeat the results again. That's exactly what their 2019 results do.

Feng says there was only a one in a trillion chance that the results were caused by anything other than the X17 particle, and this new fifth force.

He added that if another research group could repeat these results with a third type of atom in addition to beryllium and helium, "that would blow the cover off this thing."

Experimental research groups have already been reaching out to him hungry to do that.

More sightings of the fifth force could lead to scientists settling on a specific name for it, understanding its workings more deeply, and developing practical applications for how to harness its power.

They're leading us closer to what's considered the Holy Grail in physics, which Albert Einstein had aimed at but never achieved. Physicists hope to create a "unified field theory," which would coherently explain all cosmic forces from the formation of galaxies down to the quirks of quarks.

But the universe isn't giving up its secrets easily.

"There's no reason to stop at the fifth," Feng said. "There could be a sixth, seventh, and eighth force."