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Title: Electric Bicycles
Post by: RE on May 04, 2014, 08:50:11 PM
I'm toying with buying an Electric Bike for zipping around the Valley in a slightly more eco-friendly way than my SUV.

The model I am favoring at the moment is a Jetson

(http://173.225.123.28/wp-content/uploads/side-silver.jpg)

I also looked at the XB-700 from Extreme Scooters

(http://top10rate.com/wp-content/uploads/X-treme-Scooters-Xb-700.jpg)

They both come in around $1800.  I like the design on the XB better, but a few bad reviews on customer service, a flimsy plastic windshield, charger that doesn't work etc put me off it.

They have a range of about 30 miles and do up to 20mph, with a max load of about 275 lbs.  This is plenty for my daily trips around the valley.  You can actually get them to go faster by unplugging the speed limiter, up to around 26 mph.

By having pedals, these bikes fly under the radar of the DMV, so you don't need a license, registration or insurance for them.  However, the pedals are close to useless and just there for show and legal reasons.

A few things are holding me back from making the purchase.

1- Lack of Cargo Capacity

They don't have a rack installed, and I'm not sure I could find a rack that would mount on them.  If I can't carry my Camera Bag and have a place to put beer when I stop at the store, it is close to useless.  I have a bike trailer, but I don't think it will mount to the rear hub like on a typical bike.  So I would need to have something custom built.

2- Cold Weather

Will it operate at temps below freezing, and with how much range and speed?

3- Security

The Motor key switch is easily jimmied, and besides that anyone with a van or trailer could just pick it up and throw it in the trailer.  I could use a heavy duty bike lock with it, but you have to find things to attach to.

On the plus side, I probably would be the only person in the Valley who has one, so it could be identified by the Gestapo if somebody is riding it around.

4-Battery Life/Replacement

Claims are for 7 years, but this appears to be bullshit.  Based on reviews, I think 2 years is more likely, possibly 3.  Will I be able to get replacement batteries in 3 years?  I could buy an extra battery or two now, but not sure on the shelf life of these things when not being used.  If left on a trickle charger the whole time they are stored I suspect they would still be pretty good, but not sure there either.

5- Safety

They aren't designed to ride off road, so you need to be on pavement, which most of the time doesn't have a bike lane around here.  At 20mph, you are way slower than the cars are zipping by, so you need to stay to the right and let them pass you.  Many drivers are not too considerate here and will get way too close making these passes.

A real Electric Motorcycle would resolve most of these problems, but I don't like the models available and besides they are more money than I care to spend on such a prep.

All that considered, I may still buy one just as a Prep, and not use it much until Gas is being rationed and the roads are a little safer to be travelling on with one of these things.

Thoughts welcome.

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Title: Razor Ecosmart Scooter
Post by: RE on May 04, 2014, 10:19:04 PM
After reading more, I am now looking at scaling down here to a Razor Ecosmart Scooter for the electric 2-wheeler Emergency Vehicle.

(https://www.meijer.com/assets/product_images/styles/xlarge/1000422_13114501_A_400.jpg)

It comes in at a much cheaper price of around $375, and is probably good enough for what I would use it for.  Much shorter range of only around 7-8 miles, but don;t think I would use it for much more than that anyhow.

It has a rack and basket, so you can carry some stuff on it.  Security is still an issue of course, as well as Safety.  However, it is also small enough to carry easily in the SUV.

The cooler look and the greater range and speed of the Jetson and XB-700 still appeal to me though.  The number of negative reviews for all these devices bothers me though.  Seems like you can be lucky and get a good one, or you get a real Lemon.  At least with the Razor, I would not be dropping so much money if I end up with a Lemon.

This is a tough decision.

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Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: RE on May 04, 2014, 11:58:03 PM
Just checked the cost for the Battery for the XB-700, it is $700.  I can't see buying this toy without a spare battery, so jack up the cost to around $2500.  This is getting into car cost territory.  In fact a good deal higher, since my 1983 Mazda MPV I picked up used for $900.

What is the lifespan on this scooter in a SHTF scenario?  Max with luck I could keep it on the road is 5 years I think from today.  Any number of things can fail, from the Batteries to Tires to the Motor, and if I actually NEED to use it, the chances I can find replacement parts for it are slim and none.

I have to compare this against the costs for Gas.  I average about $30/wk in gas at current prices, call it $1500/year.  So even if I used it all the time it would take 2 years to pay off.  I also won't use it all the time, certainly not in mid-winter, when it probably would not run at all.

All it really does is buy a bit of time and security in the case of temporary Gas shortages/rationing.  In no way can it really substitute for the Car.

Then there are the issues with it being stolen or wrecked in an accident.  It has a very limited lifespan overall.

On the one hand I really want one of these devices, on the other from a pragmatic view of the economics, it is a waste of money.

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Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: RE on May 05, 2014, 01:59:38 AM
My recent exploration into buying an Electric Bicycle/Scooter has led me to think more closely about the overall economics of this, and whther we might have substantially increased the timespan of running an Industrial Economy had we wholesale shifted to using this type of transportation instead of Carz.

Clearly, these devices use a lot less energy to get you from Point A to Point B, in the 20-30 mile range that is typical for the daily commutes most people have to work.  However, if everyone had one and was using it every day for this, we would have needed to build many more electical generation facilities to charge all of them up every day, and a more robust grid as well to handle the larger load.  On balance, you probably save some energy here, but the infrastructure would eat up a good portion of the savings.

The next issue is batteries.  Li-I batteries were not available back in the 70s, so the new fleet of Commuter Electric Bikes would have needed many more Lead-Acid batteries, which would wear out more often since they were being charged/discharged so often.  More mining necessary to keep up the supply of batteries here and replace them.

Then of course is the issue of Bulk Transport, and unless the paradigm was also changed where most products were produced locally, you would still need some kind of fleet of Trains, Trucks and Container ships to drag everything around all the time.  Electric Bikes do not substitute for Trains or Container ships.  So these still are burning Oil.

Would we have put less CO2 up into the atmosphere if we had done this instead?  Perhaps slightly less, but as long as we burned Fossil Fuels to generate the needed electricity, we still would have been adding CO2 to the atmosphere.

Overall, had we made a transition this way back in the 70s, my WAG is that maybe we would have extended the lifespan of Industrial Civilization by a Century or so, but no more than that.  Besides that, the slowing economics which would have resulted would have caused the credit system to implode that much faster.  We would have faced the collapse of the economic ponzi much sooner, probably in the 80s if not 70s.

So, overall it seems unlikely that "Green" devices like E-bikes would hve made much difference over the time period, even had they been wholesale produced and adopted.  The very fact such devices are dependent on a very large scale Industrial economy functioning means they go when the JIT shipping paradigm goes, and when you can't access the materials needed to create them at a price people can afford, which they never can because you always need debt to finance all of it.

For now, if you have the surplus FRNs and can afford one, an E-Bike provides a temporary measure of additional transportation security.  It probably does not save you much money, by the time you factor in the cost of the bike, its lifespan and repairs compared to an automobile.  It defintely won't "Save the Planet" if you buy one and drive it regularly instead of your SUV.  It is a very marginal improvement overall.

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Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: MKing on May 05, 2014, 07:54:32 AM
EV is great with enough battery to handle all commuting. Expensive, and not as effective in cold.

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For the commuting you are describing, gasoline based, (excluding walking, bicycling and mass transit, all of which are available in any decent suburbia) these work year round except when there is really snow on the road surface or the temps are <20F.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4a/2005_Honda_Metropolitan_Kiwi.jpg)

I paid $1200 for a new one (albeit a few model years old), they travel 120 miles on a single tank (1.3 gallons) and I fuel them from the lawnmower can. 5 gallons is good for all summer, so if you wanted to use it as bug out transport you put the 5 gallon jerry can at your feet and could escape all the way to the Yukon if you wanted to. Storage under the seat, reliable as a hammer, hits the speed limiter regularly at 42mph on the flats with a tailwind or going downhill, is able to carry an extra person in a pinch (at least a 5'8" weighing 110#), insurance cost is $10/year, registration $10/5 years, and you are allowed to park wherever the bicycles do.Sidewalks are perfectly legal.

The Volt is 3X more efficient in terms of liquid fuel efficiency (300 mpg vs 100mpg) but cost 30X as much and its operating costs alone are more in 18 months than the purchase price of the scooter. The scooter was purchased on the basis of using rather than my old SUV, and at 6000 miles will have paid for itself based on fuel savings alone. But it can't beat the Volt economics the same way it does the SUV because the Volt is more efficient than the scooter, not less.

Of course, if fleeing in a non-cage is really a priority, I recommend something less limited to road travel and with enough carrying capacity for a summers worth of gear. More expensive than a scooter, but much more capable, and can still be used to bomb around town fairly efficiently.

(http://www.sporttour.com/kawasaki/Givi_KLR650.jpg)
Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: RE on May 05, 2014, 04:20:37 PM
That answers the question of how useful an electric would be up here in the winter, which is not much.

A full size car makes no sense,  that has an even bigger battery replacement issue than the Electric Bike.  Similar with the full size Electric Motorcycle.

Public Transportation is virtually nonexistent up here, cab service is about it.

I also want it to be small enough to fit in the SUV.  The EBs are just a bit too big and heavy.

I think I found the right balance with this Zippy 500 from Extreme Scooters

(http://www.extreme-scooters.com/06products/zippy500Lg.jpg)

or maybe the Ecosmart from Razor

(http://0075397ca1480a6422a6-373ec2a9a8c1bd0dc32a6d880ae07ded.r21.cf1.rackcdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/ecosmart_prod.jpg)

The Zippy has the nicer styling, the Ecosmart has a longer range.

My main concern is the variable quality that seems to come out of these companies, which all pretty much are Chinese.  However, at $400, the Zippy is not too big a risk.

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Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: Petty Tyrant on May 05, 2014, 04:40:45 PM

You were going well saying it was more eco friendly until you started the usual drop in the ocean difference copout. I dont know what your power source is there coal or nuke or what but the oxygen consmed to charge an ebike is nothing compared to running your car. Dont you tell the NBL mob that we should at least give it our best shot?

I think your nabe is too cold for the full range or to ride around without frostbite. Having said that Peter in  that sort of climate uses an electric polaris. That would give you sone shelter and gun racks and carrying capacity IF youre allowed to use one where you are, way better but hes probably just getting away with it because hes so remote.

Also buying spare batteries now is not going to work as a replacement in a few years, they wont be any fresher than the one you use.  it is only good to have them to extend your range.

 The good ones are made in USA, its a myth they are all made in china. The US ones are a fuckin FAST mountain bike that sprint like a startled hare, with a bunch of models and look really cool in camo or matt black or orange. They can also be pedalled properly with decent length cranks unlike the chinese ones.

Get solar panels if youre worried about the grid going down or have an ordinary pedal bike for that case. I have 7 mountain bikes here.

Lastly dont be a miser be an example.

Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: MKing on May 05, 2014, 04:48:45 PM
That answers the question of how useful an electric would be up here in the winter, which is not much.

A full size car makes no sense,  that has an even bigger battery replacement issue than the Electric Bike.  Similar with the full size Electric Motorcycle.

Battery replacement is turning out to be a non-issue with hybrids and I would presume, EVs. Winter is the issue, and ownership of a garage is a near necessity.

Quote from: RE

I also want it to be small enough to fit in the SUV.  The EBs are just a bit too big and heavy.

Why the need for electric secondary transport when there is enough liquid fuel to run the SUV to haul it around?

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My main concern is the variable quality that seems to come out of these companies, which all pretty much are Chinese.  However, at $400, the Zippy is not too big a risk.

RE

Chinese scooters (gas powered) are sold locally in hardware stores and PepBoys even. Quality is worse than shoddy, and I've seen the same thing in various types of power equipment. If reliability is a concern, which for me it is, I don't even look at the chinese stuff, even at the stiff discounts offered.
Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: RE on May 05, 2014, 04:50:28 PM
Also buying spare batteries now is not going to work as a replacement in a few years, they wont be any fresher than the one you use.  it is only good to have them to extend your range.

If the batteries haven't gone through the charge/discharge cycles and are kept charged, I think they would still be pretty good, though not as good as new.

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The good ones are made in USA, its a myth they are all made in china. The US ones are a fuckin FAST mountain bike that sprint like a startled hare, with a bunch of models and look really cool in camo or matt black or orange. They can also be pedalled properly with decent length cranks unlike the chinese ones.

Got a website for this bike?

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Get solar panels if youre worried about the grid going down or have an ordinary pedal bike for that case. I have 7 mountain bikes here.

I have a couple of solar panels.  Probably enough juice to charge a bike over a few sunny days.

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Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: RE on May 05, 2014, 05:00:33 PM
Battery replacement is turning out to be a non-issue with hybrids and I would presume, EVs. Winter is the issue, and ownership of a garage is a near necessity.

Not talking about battery availability now, I am talking 5 years from now.  If there are gas shortages, I suspect new batteries will be in short supply too.  Anyhow, no garage in my current living situation.

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Why the need for electric secondary transport when there is enough liquid fuel to run the SUV to haul it around?

Riding in the Colony Days Parade and July 4th Parade for one thing, zipping around after I park to shoot pictures over a wider area, cruising the aisles of Home Depot in style... :icon_sunny:

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Chinese scooters (gas powered) are sold locally in hardware stores and PepBoys even. Quality is worse than shoddy, and I've seen the same thing in various types of power equipment. If reliability is a concern, which for me it is, I don't even look at the chinese stuff, even at the stiff discounts offered.

So far I haven't located comparable Amerikan made items.  Even if they are assembled here, components like the motors wheels etc are sourced out of China.

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Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: Petty Tyrant on May 05, 2014, 06:14:26 PM


Got a website for this bike?



http://www.stealthelectricbikesusa.com/ (http://www.stealthelectricbikesusa.com/)

you would also get better mpg than the mpv from a good size chainsaw. Take out the bar and cutting chain, put a bicycle sprocket on the motor/clutch drive, mount it down near the pedals and put a bike chain on it to your back wheel. Ride to the forest reassemble to a chainsaw, cut firewood so you dont freeze.





Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: Petty Tyrant on May 05, 2014, 06:17:53 PM
I might sneak into RE's house and install servo's on his e-bikes throttle, brakes, and steering, and then change his name to RC. LOL
Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: RE on May 05, 2014, 10:44:54 PM

http://www.stealthelectricbikesusa.com/ (http://www.stealthelectricbikesusa.com/)

That is one Kick Ass Electric Bike UB!

(http://www.electricbike.com/wp-content/flagallery/stealth-bomber/stealth_bomber-1.jpg)

It is so kick ass they don't put the prices down for it on their website.  You have to go shopping to find prices.

The Stealth Bomber comes in at around a cool $10,000 or so.

I admit to being tempted because it is clearly the Lamborghini of EBs, and if it had come in at maybe $3,000 I would go for it, but $10K is insane.

It's likely a lot more durable than the Chinese shit, but for $2000, I could buy 5 of the Chinese Scooters and have spare parts out the Wazoo.

In the course of my life, I have had 5 bicycles stolen.  It killed me when my first $300 Peugot got snatched.  I can't imagine my depression when coming out of a store to find my $10K Lamborghini EB gone.

For just a teensy bit more than $10K I could buy an Electric Polaris Ranger like the one Peter has

(http://www.blogcdn.com/green.autoblog.com/media/2010/03/rangerevbb11024x768-1268758124.jpg)

Around here, I could get away with driving this, everybody cruises around here on 4-wheelers.  If I am going to drop $10K on an EV, this would be how I spend it.

However, I just don't need that type of vehicle, and I don't see them as that much more sustainable long term than the ICE Carz.  For right now, I will buy something cheap, and see how it works.

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you would also get better mpg than the mpv from a good size chainsaw. Take out the bar and cutting chain, put a bicycle sprocket on the motor/clutch drive, mount it down near the pedals and put a bike chain on it to your back wheel. Ride to the forest reassemble to a chainsaw, cut firewood so you dont freeze.

You should design a Chainsaw/EB Transformer model.  I am sure it will sell like Hotcakes.

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Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: RE on May 06, 2014, 11:15:32 PM
I've run into a major glitch as far as getting ANY of these scooters up here, which is SHIPPING.  Apparently the size and weight of these things (even the smaller folding ones) is bigger than the standard shipping carriers will handle.  I worked my way down to trying an eZip e500, available from Walmart for $319.  They won't even ship it to the local Walmart store for pickup!  The shipping problem may also have something to do with the Batteries, not sure.

I emailed one company to see if I can get Custom shipping, but this is guaranteed to be expensive, probably near the cost of the scooter itself.  Another possible option is to have one shipped to some address in the lower 48 where one of my friends who is in the Oil Patch can have one of his trucks pick it up and bring it back here for me.  His company has trucks running up and down from here to North Dakota fairly regularly.

Another option would be to try to bring it back with me on my next trip to the lower 48 on the plane, but even assuming they let me bring it as baggage, I would have to wait until the next trip, which is earliest August.  I would lose many months of the best time for riding it round this year up here.  I really wanna have one in time for the Colony Days Parade in June.

Unfortunately, ordering something like this to get here in Alaska is not as EZ as Cameras and other small electronics.   :(

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Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: RE on May 07, 2014, 02:04:59 AM
Well, after perpetually downsizing, I found an Electric Scooter I could get shipped up here on the Cheap.  It's an Ezip 450, which came in at the bargain price of $255. The Alaska Surcharge for Shipping jacked it up some to $315.

(http://i.walmartimages.com/i/p/00/69/40/27/35/0069402735213_500X500.jpg)

As usual, it comes with very Mixed Reviews.  Some folks think it is FABULOUS, others think it is JUNK.  Some say it takes hills well, others say you better be on Flat Ground.  Some say it gets the rated 8 miles or so on a charge, others say you are lucky if you get 4.

I suspect the great variation here in Reviews is the result of low Quality Control in the battery department, and there is a certain amount of Luck involved in how good a battery set you get.  Your own Weight is a big issue here as well, it is only rated up to 180 lbs, so if you are a big type person this thing probably won't pull your weight too well.  I come in these days at around 165, so it should do OK.  I could trim down to 150 if I made an effort at it too.  I think you also could quite significantly increase Range if you "Scoot" with your foot from standing starts and on uphills.  Acceleration is what really eats up the juice.

With heavy use, these batteries don't have a long lifespan regardless, maybe 6 months.  So I probably have to replace the batteries every year, for around $115 or so if I go with what they sell.  Hoping for Good Luck with the first set.  Regardless, my guess is I can get the dimensions and get better Li-I batteries that will last a whole lot longer after the first set wears out.

My Goal for it is to get around 5 miles on a charge, this would take me comfortably around the Parade Route for Colony Days and July 4th.  Routes have some hills, but not too bad.  Very small unit, easy to pitch into the back of the SUV and have with me all the time.  Actually small enough to carry with you without too much issue on Public Transportation like Trains and Buses.

This isn't the End of my Electric Scooter/Bicycle investigations, just the beginning with one I could get hold of up here cheap and fast for this year.  I'll look for a better upgrade unit and way to get it here at a reasonable cost for next year.  I will review it after it arrives and let you guys know how well it works overall.

I don't see Security as a big issue with this unit, because when I use it, I'll ride it right into stores.  It's smaller than the little Rascal Go-Karts the other Invalids use in the stores, so I don't see why they wouldn't let me use it inside.  Mostly though I expect to use it just to cruise around shooting pics.  In any event, if it gets stolen, a $315 loss is not the KILLER a $10K loss would be.

Should be here in about a week.

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Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: RE on May 07, 2014, 02:55:33 AM
BAH!

Walmart emailed me back that the transaction was cancelled.  So I tried through Target.  Their software said this is "restricted".

You CAN'T buy a fucking Electric Scooter from Alaska!  Argghhh.

I am going to defeat this shit somehow.

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Title: Electric Bicycles are HAZMATS!
Post by: RE on May 07, 2014, 03:12:09 AM
OK, I believe I have identified the underlying problem.  These bikes with the associated battery are identified as "HAZMATS".  Hazardous Materials.  So none of these companies which all use Airplanes to ship stuff can ship this way, and they don't have water/ground logistics to send to Alaska.

To get one here, I am either going to have to arrange a ground level shipment of some type through the companies that make them, or get my friend with his trucks to pull one up here for me.

Or at this point, I am going to see if I can't make my own freaking Electric Scooter/Bike.  Just need a Battery and Motor for my regular bicycle and figure out how to mount it all.

This is REALLY pissing me off.

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Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: Petty Tyrant on May 07, 2014, 03:56:14 AM
maybe a battery retailer can help
Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: RE on May 07, 2014, 04:10:28 AM
maybe a battery retailer can help

Maybe, there is a Batteries-R-Us outlet up here, clearly they get batteries shipped to Alaska.

I wonder if somehow I can order one of these devices without the batteries?  Then get the Batteries shipped separately, maybe by odering through Batteries-R-Us?

This is a nasty problem.

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Title: Electric Bicycles: Shipping Problem SOLVED!
Post by: RE on May 09, 2014, 11:08:49 PM
OK, did an End Around on the Shipping issue.

I am having the new vehicle shipped to OR, where my friend is having it dropped on his trailer, due to be driven back up here with a bunch of weights and other heavy paraphernalia that is ridiculously expensive to ship up here by conventional means.

The Final Choice of device here...drumroll...a Currie Technologies eZip e1000.  This scooter met most of my criteria and was one actually available to order.

(http://www.labreviews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/eZip1000b.jpg)

This is the most powerful scooter this company offers, with a 1000W Motor and 36V battery power from 3 12V batteries.  Most of the smaller units are 24V/2 batteries.

An added benefit of this is that you get a great additional source of Emergency Power.  You get 3 12V 10AH batteries you can use to run an Inverter.  I am going to wire an inverter to it and maybe even have it mounted on the bike.  This would provide plenty of juice for keeping the laptop charged up and so forth.  I have a switchable Stanley Inverter that does either 100W/500W that should work well with this power pack.

Because the handlebars fold down and the seat can be removed, it folds up easily and so can fit inside my SUV no problem.  So no special carrier needed.

Depending on which review you want to believe, the scooter goes 15-18mph for a range of about 15 miles on a single charge.  I think the variations in the reviews come from variable quality in the batteries.  I'll let you guys know actual range for my unit once it arrives.  Reviews also say with heavy use, you pretty much have to replace the batteries every year anyhow, so if I have a bad set hopefully I can buy better ones for it next year.  Maybe even get some Li-I batteries that will fit the compartment.  I don't expect at the moment to use it that heavily though, not daily commuting on it as some people use it for.

Because it is so compact, a popular meme for using them is to take them on Light Rail or Buses, and use them for "the last mile" on either side of a commute, Home to Station and Station to Work.

The structure makes it pretty easy to attach a standard bike basket to the back, so I can carry my camera equipment easily.  I am also going to look into getting a Bike Trailer like this one that will work with it for additional Cargo Capacity.

(http://ridethisbike.com/uploaded_images/DSC04924-765119.jpg)

With something like this, I can turn it into a Mini-Bugout Machine!  This would allow me to pull Tent, Sleeping Bag/Pad, cooking gear, lightweight food, water etc.  Just need to find a place to recharge.  I can carry a couple of small PV panels also, though this probably takes a while to charge up with those.  Anyhow, in this paradigm, you drive your SUV and then just use this to go maybe 10 miles further out from the road system, leaving your SUV camoflaged.  Use in conjunction with conventional bicycles as a cargo moving system.  It is rated to carry 260 lbs, I am at around 160, but it probably could pull another 200 lbs on a trailer at a slow speed.

Another cool idea would be to have a small Electric Winch attached to the frame and cable to attach it to a fixed object like a Tree.  Then you have means to winch up probably 1000-2000 lbs with a block and tackle arrangement!  The possibilities are endless!

Because it is so simple, there's not a lot that can go wrong with this vehicle.  It should be EZ to fix even if there is some problem.  I may even be able to Upgrade it with a bigger Motor and more Battery power at some point and disable the speed controller so it can go faster.  However, 15mph is plenty fast enough for how I will use it and over the distances I would use it of around 5 miles or less.  This would get you there in 20 minutes.  In a car, this takes 10 minutes anyhow with traffic lights and so forth.

Came in at a very reasonable price of $569 from Eco Wheelz (http://www.eco-wheelz.com/).  Walmart had it slightly cheaper at $529, but not In Stock.

The main issue here now is all the shipping going right.  It can take up to 10 days for the shipping, and that is right up to the day when my friend's trailer leaves OR.  If it misses this ride, I may have to wait another month or two for another one.  If it goes well though, I will have it by the end of the month.

Looks like tons of fun.  Can't wait for it to get here!

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Title: Mini Electric Bugout Machine Plans
Post by: RE on May 10, 2014, 01:49:00 AM
I went looking for replacement Battery packs, and found a nice lightweight Li-I pack that delivers 12V/18AH.

Now, this will up the cost of my vehicle assembly considerably, but when I design my Trailer to go with the Scooter, I will create a Compartment in the base for up to 9 of these batteries.  They retail at around $150 each.

With this combination, running a cable to the on-board bike batteries and substituting them as well, your range would be around 100 miles I think.  Not to mention you could mount a much bigger motor and probably get the thing up to 30 mph EZ.  Range and Torque more important than speed though here.

So, once designed and built, I will buy to start an additional 3 Li-I batteries, more than doubling the range of the vehicle combination. 30 miles would be plenty for just about all needs I can imagine using this for right now.  3 more batteries would be $450, the trailer I can have welded up in my friends shop for maybe $200.

This is going to be a kick ass Mini-Bugout Machine!  I will set up the trailer with a "popup" Bivouac Sleeping Shelter so you can Park and instantly set up your shelter for the night while on the road.  I will make the base 4' long, with two sliding extensions that bring it to 6'.  That will comfortably house me in my sleeping bag.  It will have a single wide air mattress that inflates from an electric pump.  This should also be long enough to have 2 60W Solar PV Panels for charging once you reach your camping destination.

I have the PV panels, the additional costs here $2000 the most I think.

This is going to be the coolest ever Prep!  :icon_mrgreen:

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Title: Re: Mini Electric Bugout Machine Plans
Post by: MKing on May 10, 2014, 01:10:22 PM

This is going to be the coolest ever Prep!  :icon_mrgreen:

RE

You aren't describing a prep. You are describing consumerism.

You live in Alaska for crying out loud, to get out of town you don't use the ROADS if you are seriously worried about zombies, hungry suburbanites in your neighborhood, or refugees from the resource wars that never seem to occur.

I spent a summer in the Cabinet Mountains of Montana once upon a time…and this was all that was required….plus a 30-06. In Alaska you could live a year with this much gear, while all the humans that disgust you off themselves, eat each other, and die off.

(http://www.clivecatton.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/IMG_1553.jpg)
Title: Re: Mini Electric Bugout Machine Plans
Post by: RE on May 10, 2014, 06:11:52 PM
You aren't describing a prep. You are describing consumerism.

That is true in a sense, but not much different than the little scooter you bought or the EV either.  Just a little different in application really.

The prep aspect is that you are preparing for a time when the gas either becomes too expensive or is unavailable to buy at any price.  Having a vehicle of some kind that runs on electricity gives you a little more time with more mobility.

Such a vehicle has a limited lifespan of utility, since once the petroleum based economy breaks down, it won't be long before the electrical infrastructure breaks down too, so you'll be left with charging it up from your solar PV cells.  Then when the batteries give out, you are unlikely to be able to replace them, and about the only utility left would be to repurpose it as a wheelbarrow.

I look at it this way.  Say instead of living here on the Last Great Frontier, I lived in New York, where owning a car is a nightmare.  I get offered a job in Springfield, MO, where there is terrible Public Transportation.  I could move there and have wheels to commute to work.

Even up here, say I decided to quit working and go live further out.  Not all the way into the bush, but more remote than Alaska Suburbia here in the Mat Valley.  I could throw this thing into my Bugout Machine, drive it to say Talkeetna and park it next to a nice river to fish from. I could then use the Ezip to zip into town periodically too buy stuff, long as stuff is still there to buy anyhow and the money still works.  After that, I barter some of the fish I catch for whatever the other locals are hunting down or growing.

So, it is a kind of transitionary vehicle which doesn't work in complete collapse, but in partial collapse has utility for a while.  The very last resort is to go out into the bush, but unless you go with a community or you are Eustace Conway, you won't last more than a year or two by yourself.  I would not, that is for sure.  I also have no desire to go live in the wilderness by myself.  I'd do it with friends, but not alone.  Right now, I don't know enough people who I would want to hang with that wanna head out into the bush of Alaska.

So, consumerism?  Yes, that's a valid criticism, but it is consumerism with a purpose, which is to prepare for the "Long Emergency" rather than the "Fast Collapse".  Covering the bases, as it were.

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Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: Petty Tyrant on May 10, 2014, 06:41:21 PM
I thought you also wanted to use it as a bugout machine. Im all for everyone adopting EV's. I wanted to do a conversion on a lightweight classic car with good ground clearance and  robust chassis, but Ive found that a few days of fog and cloud flattens my batteries, even though I have enough panels for charging an EV as well as normal household use in sunny weather. Seems every good EV I like is not available here, I was interested in a Tesla 4x4 and the Stealth e-bike but neither have any dealers here.

I dont know about other places but in the last city I lived in I wanted to use the train and a bike to commute to work but the stupid system is that you can not take bikes on the train during morning and afternoon peak hours. If they reserved one carriage specially designed for bikes it would do a lot to relieve the traffic problems.





Title: Re: Mini Electric Bugout Machine Plans
Post by: MKing on May 10, 2014, 06:53:52 PM
You aren't describing a prep. You are describing consumerism.

That is true in a sense, but not much different than the little scooter you bought or the EV either.  Just a little different in application really.

I bought two scooters. I bought the first one because the wife demanded it, and after a year of whining about it, I figured she really did want one. I drove it home from the dealership, and when I started riding it more than she did, she told me to go get my own. So I did...the things are an absolute riot. And when they achieve 6000 miles in use, each one will have paid for itself in gasoline savings, after that it is pure gravy.

I bought the EV for the same reason I insulate the house or use the electricity from the PV's on the roof, I'll trade CapEx for OpEx every time. Unlike those rationalizing end of world scenarios to buy, build or work towards some goal, I do things because I choose to. And I choose to follow the scenario of  "every dollar you invest that means you don't spend $10 in the future, do it".

My scooter means I don't turn on a car. When I turn on a car, I don't want it to require expensive fuels, but much less expensive and "support your local economy" type fuels, some of them right from the rooftop. Collecting fuel from the sky as it were, you can't beat a CapEx investment any better than that.

All of these are economic decisions based on BAU and what I choose to do with my discretionary dollars.

So you are saying you buying solar bicycle gizmos...in Alaska, is one of those wise type moves, or are you doing it because you want to run around town hootin and hollerin like I do on my scooter because it is so much fun?

Quote from: RE
The prep aspect is that you are preparing for a time when the gas either becomes too expensive or is unavailable to buy at any price.  Having a vehicle of some kind that runs on electricity gives you a little more time with more mobility.

Not "too expensive". "More expensive" is quite sufficient.

Quote from: RE
So, consumerism?  Yes, that's a valid criticism, but it is consumerism with a purpose, which is to prepare for the "Long Emergency" rather than the "Fast Collapse".  Covering the bases, as it were.

RE

Hey, cover away. And as long as it can be used during the normal BAU that has been going on since the invisible collapse of 2008, you can call it dual use technology, base out of the RV as your road trip up and down the Alcan, certainly it isn't as though it will go to waste, right?

Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: RE on May 10, 2014, 07:17:59 PM
I thought you also wanted to use it as a bugout machine. Im all for everyone adopting EV's. I wanted to do a conversion on a lightweight classic car with good ground clearance and  robust chassis, but Ive found that a few days of fog and cloud flattens my batteries, even though I have enough panels for charging an EV as well as normal household use in sunny weather. Seems every good EV I like is not available here, I was interested in a Tesla 4x4 and the Stealth e-bike but neither have any dealers here.

I dont know about other places but in the last city I lived in I wanted to use the train and a bike to commute to work but the stupid system is that you can not take bikes on the train during morning and afternoon peak hours. If they reserved one carriage specially designed for bikes it would do a lot to relieve the traffic problems.

For myself to use such an assembly as a Bugout Machine, things would have to have spun down pretty far.  The main reason I would put it together, if I do, is as an example for people who live in situations where they don't have a lot of storage room, can't afford even a car much less an RV and probably have a close to minimum wage job.

Going back to my Springfield, MO example, say you got a job at Pep Boys selling auto parts.  You make $10/hr.  You can have all your personal stuff to carry on your little trailer.  You rent a studio apartment.  You tool back and forth to work at Pep Boys, no problem.  Then you get a weekend job over in Ozark that pays great, but you gotta get there for the weekend.  You hook your little trailer up to the Ezip, now you increased your range to get to Ozark and camp while you build a Permaculture Garden for somebody.  The little old lady you do the work for pays you $500 out of her Social Security and savings to do this.

Then your Resume up on Monster.com for the last 5 years finally gets a hit and you get offered a 6 figure job in Denver as a Web Designer.  You could either drive the rig there recharging at motel rooms, or more likely drive to the Amtrak station in Columbia, throw it on the train and speed to Denver.

If you live in Tornado Alley, you keep your rig in the Storm Shelter all the time.  When your Mobile Home gets blown to Oz, you and your rig come out of the Storm Shelter unscathed, and you GTFO of Dodge and cruise to another town not yet blown off the map by an F5 Tornado.

Far as bringing these things onto Commuter Trains, that has been a hassle even with Bicycles.  When I lived in NY, they FINALLY got a bike pass for the LIRR so you could bring your bike onto the trains, but yea there were restrictions during heavy commuter times.  If we don't get complete collapse, a nice transition would be trains/carriages specifically designed for people with bikes or electric scooters.

I still think that Stealth bike is too expensive.  You can buy a Polaris Ranger EV for the same price.

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Title: Re: Mini Electric Bugout Machine Plans
Post by: RE on May 10, 2014, 07:29:33 PM
Hey, cover away. And as long as it can be used during the normal BAU that has been going on since the invisible collapse of 2008, you can call it dual use technology, base out of the RV as your road trip up and down the Alcan, certainly it isn't as though it will go to waste, right?

I put this post up, but WTF are you compelled to be snarky all the time?  Can't you have a single conversation without slipping in snide remarks?  You are a big fan of EVs, but soon as I write about them, you poke fun at it and imply all sorts of hypocrisy involved in buying one.

We've been through the hypocrisy issue.  Jumping off the current system is not something any of us can do, nor in many cases even want to do.  Hell, Guy Mcpherson is currently down in Ecuador.  He didn't grow wings and fly himself down there.

You are getting on my case for being a "Consumerist" because I am buying an Electric Scooter?  This is what makes you so annoying to chat with. 

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Title: Electric Bicycles: New Glitch
Post by: RE on May 10, 2014, 07:54:40 PM
Just received this email from Eco Wheelz:

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Thank you for your recent purchase from eCo Wheelz!

Unfortunately, we just sold our last EZIP E-1000 earlier this week, and Currie Technologies (EZIP) is also sold out.

Since I'm not sure when more of these scooters will be available, I've fully refunded your order.

I apologize for any inconvenience or confusion...

BAH!  Looking for a new vendor.

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Title: Re: Electric Bicycles: New Glitch
Post by: RE on May 10, 2014, 08:05:10 PM
Now ordered again from Afterschool.com, for $540.

Good newz is this company promises delivery in 3-5 days.

That is if they turn out to have it in stock.  ::)

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Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: Petty Tyrant on May 10, 2014, 08:08:20 PM
yeah a polaris makes way more sense especially if you can get away with using it on  the road. The stealth is fast enough that you would get frostbite from the wind speed and cant carry a passenger or any other things, which a polaris can, also polaris has a good reputation.

Good scenario of future personal transport, especially for someone with a knee reconstruction or other problem preventing them cycling too far, or many friends and relatives  I can think of who would just never bother or even keel over. But I would suggest also that unless motels are very cheap, Bart Simpson bugging out of Springfield should camp out.
Title: Electric Bicycles: Out of Stock
Post by: RE on May 10, 2014, 08:21:50 PM
As I mentioned, Walmart was also OoS on this model.

I think I am seeing a Chinese company problem here.  Currie Technologies may be already outta biz.

Hopefully, I got one of the last ones available from Afterschool.com.

Product support will probably be non-existent.  However, as mentioned it is a very simple machine overall, motor, batteries, frame, shocks, brakes, chain, centrifugal clutch.

Finding replacement shock absorbers that fit will likely be difficult.  Brake stuff looks to be standard bicycle type stuff for bikes that have disk brakes.  Motor and Batteries should be pretty easy to replace, though might have to bring it to the shop to weld on different mounting hardware for a different motor.  Chain might be problematic, clutch also.

What an adventure in End of Industrial Civilization Consumerism!

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Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: Petty Tyrant on May 10, 2014, 09:02:55 PM
With chinese motorbikes some are great and a bargain compared to jap, and reliable. others are full of weak links and a false economy evn being half price of jap. The backup from dealers is pretty poor and identifying parts very hard, so people mainly use ebay to buy parts which are dirt cheap instead of the shops they came from. Target or Walmart wouldnt stuff around, just refund or replace though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfVu5mNPqgg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfVu5mNPqgg)
Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: RE on May 10, 2014, 09:45:59 PM
With chinese motorbikes some are great and a bargain compared to jap, and reliable. others are full of weak links and a false economy evn being half price of jap. The backup from dealers is pretty poor and identifying parts very hard, so people mainly use ebay to buy parts which are dirt cheap instead of the shops they came from. Target or Walmart wouldnt stuff around, just refund or replace though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfVu5mNPqgg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfVu5mNPqgg)

I found it difficult to impossible to buy many of the electric bikes I looked at.  Originally, I wanted the really COOL looking one from Extreme Scooters

(http://www.extreme-scooters.com/store/images/scooters-electric/XB-502-electric/xb502-electric-blue-md.jpg)

Their online order page doesn't work, and I got no reply from the email I sent to their Sales addy.  Forget them.

Then in looking at other ones, quite often OoS.

In terms of Japanese vs Chinese vs Amerikan, you just don't come up with too much in this category beyond the Razors and such, mostly designed as Kid Toys.

If it is not being sold by Walmart, the prices go through the roof.  Spending $10K on an electric bike/scooter is INSANE.  I was willing to go as high as $2000 here, but nothing in that category seems to be available at all to buy.  Not from any kind of reputable company anyhow where it might actually be delivered.  Then of course the issue with the batteries and shipping to Alaska.

Not to go all conspiracy theory here, but it these things were really available at the prices they should cost and the legal regulations allowed their use, I think many people would have bought them over the years.  I have tons of parents who have to drive their kids around to after school activities all the time, the Moms are basically Chauffer/Taxi Drivers.  With good units of this type, kids 12 and up could move themselves around the industrial infrastructure.

The damn thing is so simple and basic that really I think if I go over to my friend's welding shop we can make a frame that will hold motor and batteries.  The Shocks and other complexity makes it more difficult, but still probably possible, but not at Mass Production costs.  The frame probably costs $200 by itself, then I gotta get wheels for it, motor, batteries etc...ends up costing over $1000.

Anyhow, with luck here I got my unit from Curry which has all the parts and hopefully also it works OK.  If I get another email of OoS, I will drop down to the Ezip 500, still last I checked available from Walmart.  However, I only have a short window to get it up here.  I am crossing my fingers the order from Afterschool.com is shipped and arrives on time.

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Title: Electra-Glide in Black
Post by: RE on May 11, 2014, 02:18:49 AM

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A couple of weeks ago I got the brilliant idea I should get an Electric Bicycle to zip around on.  Go Green!  Save Gas!


http://www.extreme-scooters.com/electricScooters/electricScooterXB500-md.jpgSo I began the search on the internet, rewarded with a seeming endless array of choices and prices.  Some of these little vehicles looked downright COOL!


Prices not too bad either.  According to ads, the Extreme Scooter at right here could be had for the bargain price of around $1800.  If I used it for local commuting over the summer, it pretty much would pay for itself in gas in 2 years.


Nice thing about them, they skirt around the DMV regulations, so you don’t need to register or insure them, or need a license to drive one either.  So if you lost your license, you could use one for getting to work and to the grocery store.


The Extreme Scooters pictured here were advertised to get around 25 miles/charge, and do up to 20 mph.  So if your job commute is under 10 miles as mine is, you could do the trip in around 30 minutes each way, and not even need to recharge.  In my case I could recharge at work anyhow, so this would extend its commutation possibilities.


Reading the reviews, they were extremely variable.  Most of the reviewers seemed to love them, but there were some real negative reviews also.  I was concerned about quality, because these units were of obvious Chinese manufacture.  One of my internet friends Uncle Bob advised me to Buy American with a high quality Stealth Electric Bike.


http://www.electricbike.com/wp-content/flagallery/stealth-bomber/stealth_bomber-1.jpg


Super powerful, and actually capable of speeds up to 50mph in “Competition Mode”.  To be legal in the FSoA riding one around, you have to keep it in USA mode which keeps the speed down to 20mph.  This seemed fabulous, until I did a price search.  They want $10,000 for this machine!  For $10K, you can buy an electric Polaris Ranger utility vehicle!


http://utvguide.net/images/PolarisRANGER-EV-1.jpg


So the Stealth Bomber bike was out, too pricey.  Also not interested at the moment in a Polaris Ranger, I just want something small I could carry easily in my SUV and tool around on it “on location” shooting pictures and so forth.  This actually made the Extreme Scooter I was so fond of kind of problematic, because it is too big to pitch into the SUV, so I was dreaming up a bike carrier for it to mount on the back of my trusty 1983 Mazda MPV.  I had pretty much decided this was the EV for me by this point!


Then I tried to BUY.  The buy page on their website did not work.  Bad sign.  They didn’t respond to the email I sent to their Sales Department.  Worse Sign.  Off the list of electric bikes to buy.


So, I downgraded my expectations and started looking at some of the Electric Scooters that retailers like Walmart sell.  I finally decided here on a Currie Technologies eZip 1000, which you see pictured at the top of the page.  it fit all my requirements in terms of being compact and had enough range and power to do most of what I expect to do with such a vehicle.  So I tried placing the order.  No go, Walmart Out of Stock.


I look around elsewhere on the net, find it again from Target and try to order. No go.  Won’t ship to Alaska.


You see, these devices come with Batteries, and Batteries have Hazmat Restrictions on them for shipping.  So getting ANY electric bike up to Alaska by conventional shipping methods available on the net was out of the question.  So now time for a work-around.


I have a friend who does the regular Commute down to the North Dakota Oil Patch, and he regularly sends trailers back and forth between here and there.  In this case he has a trailer coming up from OR in the next couple of weeks, so I use this as the shipping address at yet another company, Eco Wheelz.  Finally it all appears to be going through, except the next day I get an email from Eco Wheelz they sold their last unit last week and don’t know when they will get another one, so my purchase has been Refunded.


Now, desperate, with the clock ticking on the trailer up here, I find another company Afterschool.com that appears to have the unit In Stock and promises Delivery by around May 14th.  I order, and it GOES THROUGH!  At least for now anyhow, don’t know if I will get an email tomorrow that these folks are Out of Stock too.


Price on this unit, very reasonable at $540 from Afterschool.  However, why all these issues with Out of Stock?


My bet on this one is that Currie Technologies Scooters are made, like most everything else these days, in CHINA.  This company may in fact be already Outta Biz, or at least no longer shipping stuff over to retailers here in the FSoA.  So if I did in fact get my hands on one of them, it may be one of the last available to buy over here.


Whether the company is still in existence or not, I expect Product Support to be non-existent, and even getting replacement parts will likely be tough.  On the positive side to this, it is a pretty simple machine overall, I could easily replace the Electric Motor (though I might have to have a new mount welded on), and I can for the moment replace the Batteries through a Battery retailer up here, Batteries Plus.  For how long I don’t know, since they also probably have their batteries shipped over from China via ground transport.


The Brake apparatus looks to be mostly like Bicycle Brake stuff, so this is probably fixable.  However, good luck with finding a Shock Absorber that fits this machine if the company is outta biz.  Also the Chain probably has odd dimensions and would be hard to replace.


In totality when you see all the problems involved in just GETTING one of these things, then with all the issues you will face with keeping them working for any great length of time after JIT shipping collapses, you really get the picture on why Electric Vehicles of any sort really are not a solution here to the collapse of the gas powered vehicle industry.  About nothing of what you need to maintain one is made locally, and while if you are a DIY sorta guy with a machine shop you might keep it working a while longer than most, eventually you just aren’t even going to be able to get replacement batteries.  Alaska makes the whole process even more difficult right now, but the same problems will exist in the Lower 48 down the line also.


So, such a thing is no permanent replacement, and “Going Green” with one is basically a chimera.  They aren’t really very “Green”, they are polluting the landscape all over China to produce such things.  Since generally speaking you Plug Them In to an outlet to charge, somewhere down the line gobs of fossil fuels are being burned to supply that outlet with power.  Even if you charge it up using Solar PV Cells, those cells are ALSO made in China adding to the pollution over there, and you won’t be able to replace them either in 10 years when they give out, or get blown away by a tornado or whatever.


Despite the fact it is not a permanent solution though, at least for a while it gives you an alternative if Gas Prices go real high and you want to cut your usage of your gas powered vehicle.  Its also a pretty good choice for a Minimum Wage worker to get to the job without having to pay high prices for a Car, Registration, Insurance etc.  Even taking Public Transportation daily works up a pretty decent bill for a MinWage worker.  You wouldn’t be able to use it every day, in bad weather such vehicles are no good.  Coming into work soaked to the bone from a rainstorm is not going to work well, and they won’t ride too well on snow either.  However, most of the time you can use it, even in cold weather if you bundle up.  Not too cold though, because below Freezing the batteries in these things don’t work too well.


For me, this vehicle fits in as another Prep for an intermediary situation where things have not completely fallen apart, but gas has become very pricey or periodically unavailable due to shortages, or Da Goobermint is issuing out Ration Coupons for it.  It also looks like fun to zip around on, and given that for me pumping my legs on a bicycle doesn’t work as well as it used to, at $540 it seemed like a good prep to buy.


I’ll be writing more about the eZip if in fact I actually GET it up here.  It’s an interesting question how long we might have made the fossil fuels last if instead of developing a Car Culture we had built an infrastructure that was smaller and more compact, and rather than everyone driving around a Car every day to do things, they just used Bicycles and Scooters.  That was not how it worked out of course, and there is no going back to try it now.  Now, if you get one of them, all it does is maybe get you around during some temporary shortages of gas in your neighborhood, or provide low cost transportation if you are working in a MinWage job.


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Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: Petty Tyrant on May 11, 2014, 02:45:25 AM
Youre probably right, I wanted the stealth rationalizing like so; its about 8K for a new japanese or euro  motocross bike, so as a substitute for that recreational machine while not causing pollution, and easier to load up and not requiring petrol, and a future transport option or way to travel between close towns when the weather is good it was worth it to me.

I find some bicycle prices for many have become insane. Unless you are aiming for the olympics or tour de france there is no need for anyone to buy these 5K bikes. People buy them to feel like lance armstrong and cant leave them unattended, a 500$ bike is plenty good enough.

I think if youre seriously considering having something custom built, have it with a lightweight aerodynamic cockpit cover to protect you from the weather.
Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: Eddie on May 11, 2014, 08:41:40 AM
E-bikes can be had here. Here's a conversion kit, sans battery. This is from a brick and mortar store.

http://austin.craigslist.org/bid/4462194537.html (http://austin.craigslist.org/bid/4462194537.html)
Title: Re: Electra-Glide in Black
Post by: Ka on May 11, 2014, 01:34:20 PM
Nice thing about them, they skirt around the DMV regulations, so you don’t need to register or insure them, or need a license to drive one either.  So if you lost your license, you could use one for getting to work and to the grocery store.

Not always -- this varies state by state. Arizona, for example, requires registration (but not title), a driver's license (though not the extra motorcycle tag), and insurance. In Hawaii, they are treated as bicycles (which must be registered), so no driver's license or insurance required, but they also must get safety-inspected once a year.
Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: RE on May 11, 2014, 05:00:40 PM
This project is cursed.

Today I got back another "purchased cancelled" letter.  This time because of a Fraud report.

They are supposed to investigate and get back to me within 24 hours.  Window is closing on the ride up though.

Walmart sent an email that they have it back in stock, but when I go to the page they link in the email it still says out of stock.

It will be a miracle if I get this up here.

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Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: RE on May 11, 2014, 05:12:19 PM
E-bikes can be had here. Here's a conversion kit, sans battery. This is from a brick and mortar store.

http://austin.craigslist.org/bid/4462194537.html (http://austin.craigslist.org/bid/4462194537.html)

If this adventure fails, I'll probably go this route.  My bike has 26" wheels.  It also has front and rear shocks and disk brakes, so it would be good for this.

It will get more expensive though this way.  3 LiI batteries will be another $450, then I'll want it professionally installed at a bike shop.

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Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: RE on May 11, 2014, 06:40:39 PM
Now ordered from Amazon.  I paid $60 extra for shipping to get there by May 15th.

Will this one go through?  Bets anyone?

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Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: RE on May 11, 2014, 09:18:58 PM
Still no Cancellation from Amazon, so my Hopes are Rising on this being successful.  ::)

I still would prefer this unit to converting my current bicycle to electric, because it is more compact and easily carried in my SUV.

If it does make it here, I have decided to buy the Maya Bike trailer to go with it rather then weld one up at my friend's shop.  Reason is because though it is not as big and robust as one I was picturing in my head, it is more than enough for what I will REALLY use it for, and it looks very well designed.

(http://www.mayacycle.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/beach-bicycle-trailer_590x425px1.jpg)

(http://www.mayacycle.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/bicycle-wheelbarrow_590x425.jpg)

As you can see, it transforms easily into a small Wheelbarrow to move around your stuff after you get where you are going.  The dimensions are just about perfect for my Camera Bag, plus I can bungee on the bigger tripods too.  So this becomes my rolling A/V Studio.  I will also set up a Mount for cameras on it so I can do Scooter Cam video.  :icon_sunny:  I'll look into a Satellite Uplink later.  LOL.

Capacity is rated for about 60lbs, which is about as much extra weight as the Ezip is rated for pulling.  I will add a compartment to it for holding 3 12V 18 AH LiI batteries which should more than double the range to around 30-40 miles between charges.

The main issue is attachment, whether the hardware is compatible with the scooter.  However, even if not, I can weld on attachment hardware on the frame of the eZip that will work with it.  I'll try to make it "quick release" using a Cotter Pin arrangement so no tools will be necessary, and have a padlock on the connector.

It is a bit pricey at $269, but putting one together here probably costs me about $150, and this is quicker and easier.  Should be no shipping issues with this one.

Total cost to upgrade:

$269 Trailer
$50 Trailer Shipping
$450 LiI Batteries
Miscellaneous Hardware and Labor: $200

This brings the cost up to around $2000, which was my total Budget for this idea.

I will in addition to the Camera Module create a Bugout Module to fit on the trailer.  The BOMod will contain Extra Clothes, Tent, Sleeping Bag/Pad, Camping Stove, Tool Package (5W Solar Panel, Handsaw, Fast Axe, Folding Shovel, Fishing Tackle, Paracord, Electric Extension Cord etc) and 1 week supply of freeze dried food and a 2 Gallon collapsible water container and Water Filter.

Now, the damn thing just has to ship and then get here on the trailer!

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Title: Electric Bicycles: Running Afoul of the Law
Post by: RE on May 12, 2014, 02:28:52 AM
Assuming the Ezip actually makes it up here, I have been investigating the LAWS here in Alaska WRT this device.  It does appear that if I want to be strictly LEGAL, I will need to get at least an M2 Motorcycle licence and pay a $20 Registration Fee.

I don't think I will bother with this to begin with.  I am curious to see how long it takes for a State Trooper to accost me and ask for my Credentials to be riding this thing on the Alaska Roads.

Tons of Restrictions exist, for instance you can't use limited access highways, despite the fact such highways are often the only road from Here to There.  At least that is how the LAW reads, but of course up here all the time in summer you see Cyclists on the shoulder of the Limited Access Highways.

Basically as set up, Roads are for ICE Vehicles ONLY, and the laws are written to enforce that.  In a place like Alaska, there is decent Slack given here for the cyclists and ATV riders, but if push comes to shove the Troopers can force you off the road legally speaking.

The system is totally set up to require you use GAS or at least have a high power EV to use most of these roadways.  Even if I do extend the range on my Ezip to 50 miles to make it to Anchorage, there is about no way to actually get there without using the Glenn Hwy.

Real utility for such vehicles has to wait until the system collapses and everybody ignores these laws,

Meanwhile, real curious to see how long it takes before some Gestapo Clown tells me I can't drive it somewhere.

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Title: Electric Bicycles: MIRACLE!
Post by: RE on May 12, 2014, 07:38:10 PM
The Magic Words:

YOUR ORDER HAS SHIPPED!

 :icon_sunny: :icon_sunny: :icon_sunny:

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Title: Electric Bicycles: Hybrid Plans
Post by: RE on May 12, 2014, 11:18:16 PM
Now that it looks 80% certain the Ezip will arrive here on the Last Great Frontier, I have been making further plans to increase its range.  Latest idea is to turn it into a Hybrid by having a small 1200W Generator like this one on the trailer.

(http://speedinfinity.com/images/Duracell/DC-DS10R1i.jpg)

This particular model weighs in at 26lbs, well within the rated range of the Maya Trailer, however I am considering a mount for it on the frame of the Ezip.  It will easily carry my weight plus the gnerator with about 60 lbs spare capacity for its rated load of 260lbs.  The motor on the Ezip is 1000W, so it matches up perfectly in terms of output.  The on board gas tank holds .66 Gallons  :icon_mrgreen: and will run for 3 hours on a full load.  3hrs @ 15mph=45 miles, which means the arrangement gets you around 80mpg!!  Obviously, you could carry a 2 gallon jerry can as well for a mileage range total of around 180 miles, almost 200 if you start with fully charged batteries!  You probably do even better if you slow down to around 10mph.  Obviously, terrain will make a difference as well.

Now, in reality going even full 15mph max amount of time you would drive it in one day I think is 6 hrs.  So 90 miles, which means plenty of spare capacity between stops and charges.  You also now have plenty of spare electric power to run small 12V cooking appliances like 12V ovens and immersion heaters, not to mention keep your Laptop charged up all the time.  Add the 3 extra LiI batteries, you probably never need to use the generator at all, but it's there for emergencies and long trips between fillups/recharges.

Another method of accomplishing a similar task would be to have a small ICE motor that will drive the rear wheel of the trailer, but this is a lot more complicated to set up.  This method works basically straight outta da box!

The small generators go for anywhere from $150 to $350.  I won't skimp on cost here, I'll buy what appears to be the best in terms of manufacture and low weight.

If you also are carrying some Solar PV cells, you really have assembled the ultimate Micro-Bugout Machine here at quite a low cost overall, out of many preps you want to have anyhow in your prep package.

Cost analysis here;

$600 Ezip w/shipping
$269 Maya Trailer
$300 1200W Generator
$200 Assorted Wiring and Mounting hardware
$100 Miscellaneous shipping charges

Total ~$1500

This is the ideal system for someone currently living in a Big Shitty in a small apartment with no car and MinWage job.  Your savings in Public Transportation costs will pay for it in pretty short time.

Say you pay $5/day PT costs.  That is pretty low these days actually, NYC Subways are at $2.50 now.  Go out a little further onto LI or NJ and have to take LIRR or PATH trains, it's a good deal more.  Anyhow, going with $5/day, $25/week, in 24 weeks you have paid for the Ezip itself.  10 more weeks, you can buy the trailer on the savings. Etc.

Your main problems revolve around legal limitations on your ability to use it for commuting in your area and weather issues, which say take it out of commission 20% of the time.  Legal limitations unlikely to be a big issue after TSHTF, though vulnerability to theft becomes a larger concern.

Even if you do have a car, it's still a great system to have.  Ezip, trailer and generator all can go on your Roof Rack.  Long as you keep a full tank and are ready to go when TSHTF, you take it with you to your destination location and use it for your local transportation.

I will wait until the machine actually arrives here before accessorizing it.  Wanna make sure it both works as advertized and seems robust enough to last a few years.  If that is the case, then the rest of the system is worth assembling.  I will also at that point get in the Spare Parts biz, probably ordering one more of them for spares.  That is the cheaper way to go usually than buying parts individually, at least New.  I'll also start haunting junkyards for electric motors of the right size that could mount, old bicycles with cables and so forth that will work, etc.

When all is said and done, hopefully I can keep it going until I head for the Great Beyond.  :icon_sunny:

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Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: RE on May 12, 2014, 11:51:03 PM
OK, need to redraw plans already.

Though these small generators will produce 1000W AC power, they either don't have DC output or DC output is much lower, in the neighborhood of 100-200W.  So you could use it for recharging the batteries, but not running the motor directly.  Based on recharge times and other losses here, maybe it triples your mileage, but you would need to spend time recharging.  During Food breaks I suppose would work.

I'll need to have some kind of Direct Drive motor that can kick in here driving the trailer wheel.  A large Chainsaw probably works well for this, per UBs suggestion.  Then I need a mount for it, Chain Hardware, and a means to control the throttle while driving as well as a remote Kill Switch.

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Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: RE on May 13, 2014, 08:24:13 PM
Latest in the saga.

I went over to Batteries Plus to see if they had any of the 12V 18AH LiI batteries.  Nope.

They won't carry them because they are not yet U/L approved, and no approval is on the near horizon.

On the plus side, they have a good selection of 12V lead acid batteries in the 10-18AH range, so assuming the Ezip looks solid, I will buy 3 more of these once I have tested it out a while.  Good Newz here, they are half the price of the LiI batteries.

So, a more realistic total daily range between charges is probably 40-50 miles, which is still plenty.  The small Generator will provide Recharge Power if other plug-ins are not available.

If I am carrying one of my 12V 60W Solar Panels with me with a 5A output, to recharge 3 10 AH batteries should take around 6 hours on a sunny day.  So on pure Solar, you could do one day of 20 miles, followed by a recharge day.

So, to do a cross country trip here, you have ~3000 miles to travel.  That is 150 days travel time, and another 150 days of recharge camping days.  So you might be able to do it inside a year.

More realistically here for me, if I move up to say Talkeetna and buy say 10 Acres to drop my Bugout Machine on around 5 miles outside town, I can use it to get to the river daily for fishing and once a week or so to go to town for other supplies and trading, staying mostly charged up via Solar/Wind with occassional input from the generator.  Hate the idea of buying land, but may be necessary.

Through the winter, I may be able to make it to town once a month or so weather dependent, I'd probably buy a Snow Machine for this task to use long as there is gas available.  Prep Up through the Summer though so trips to town aren't really necessary.

If we don't get a SUNSTEAD going, this is probably what I will do when things really go south and the internet craps out.  Spend my last few years walking the earth doing some fishing and looking at the stars. I'll write onto the disk of my computer as long as that lasts, then I will stock up on a couple of dozen Diaries and cartons of Bic Pens and write it down to the last day on earth.

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Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: Petty Tyrant on May 13, 2014, 09:21:08 PM
I have a 2 stroke 63cc generator like that one rated to 750W, to produce more current like 1000 would only need to rev faster.  It wont charge my big house batteries though. I noticed my last comment that your doctor can hook you up with a special pass for limited mobility issues (depending on local regualtions) went to the beyond, I cant see whats wrong with it. Just have a pass for a mobility scooter, ham it up if needs be, and they cant stop you riding anywhere except places you dont want to be on without getting squashed anyway.
Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: RE on May 13, 2014, 10:00:33 PM
I have a 2 stroke 63cc generator like that one rated to 750W, to produce more current like 1000 would only need to rev faster.  It wont charge my big house batteries though. I noticed my last comment that your doctor can hook you up with a special pass for limited mobility issues (depending on local regualtions) went to the beyond, I cant see whats wrong with it. Just have a pass for a mobility scooter, ham it up if needs be, and they cant stop you riding anywhere except places you dont want to be on without getting squashed anyway.http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/forum/Smileys/dd1/icon_sunny.gif (http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/forum/Smileys/dd1/icon_sunny.gif)

Went to the Great Beyond because I really do not want this to become a conversation about having bad legs.  The subject is working up alternative transport mechanisms for everybody, not just folks who have bad legs.

However, to address this issue, indeed the first time some Gestapo hits me, I will pitch him a sob story about needing the Ezip for Mobility because my legs are trashed.  :icon_sunny:

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Title: Electra-Glide in Black: EZ Rider RE!!!
Post by: RE on June 04, 2014, 08:23:29 PM
Yes Folks, the moment you have all been waiting for has ARRIVED.

After much creative shipping dynamics, the Ezip 1000 showed yesterday boxed on my friends pickup after arriving by barge in Anchorage, and today I got it assembled and charged up, and took it out for it's first Test Drive.   :icon_mrgreen:

http://www.youtube.com/v/WV1h0S4yVNY?feature=player_detailpage

This sucker is FABULOUS!  I am just sorry I didn't order 2 now.  Excellent Chinese Construction, very solidly built.  Direct Drive, no chain to worry about on this model.  Seat comes off in a jiffy, Handlebars fold down, fits in the car EZ.  PLENTY fast enough for something with this wheel size, I am experienced rider and you really would not want to go much faster, particularly with making turns.  For something so small, you need a pretty wide turn radius because you just can't lean it too far over.

I will be making a Feature I Spy Doom episode with Scooter-Cam at the Colony Days Parade on Saturday.  :icon_mrgreen:

Inspiration for the Trick Riding comes from the Butch Cassidy & the Sundance Kid film.  :icon_mrgreen:
http://www.youtube.com/v/uS9Qmgk4aR0?feature=player_detailpage

Legs may not work too good anymore for running, but I still have my sense of balance.  :icon_sunny:

More to come on this one, watch for it here on the Doomstead Diner.  :icon_mrgreen:

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Title: Electra-Glide in Black II: EZ Rider RE
Post by: RE on June 04, 2014, 10:44:00 PM

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eZip1000As readers of the first Electra-Glide in Black article are aware, it took some creative shipping to get my new Electric Wheelz shipped up to Alaska.  Stuff with SLA Batteries don’t ship via Air, in fact I don’t think you can ship Li-I batteries this way either.  So to get my EV of Choice, the Curry Technologies Ezip 1000 up here, I had to have it shipped to the friend of a friend’s place in Oregon, strapped onto a trailer which was pulled to Seattle, dropped on a Barge bound for Anchorage, picked up by my friend there and then loaded onto his Pickup Truck for final delivery to me yesterday.  Bonus for me was this was all basically free shipping all the way, though I am doing a little tradeout with said friend of some work for him in return.  However, it took a solid month to get the thing up here, and I was biting my nails because I really wanted the thing in time to cruise on during the Colony Days Parade, which goes off on Saturday in Palmer.


Besides the difficulties in getting the thing up here to begin with, I also had a lot of trepidation because reviews are very mixed on these things.  This is Chinese made stuff, and quality varies a LOT with stuff that comes from China, as any Konsumer who buys at Walmart well knows.  However, at the Low. Low Price of $550 I got it for finally from Target (after several false starts with other retailers including Walmart), I figured the RISK wasn’t too great.  Certainly not like buying a $40,000 EV anyhow.


Assembly wasn’t too hard, even for a mechanical amateur like myself, really just had to get the front wheel installed and the handlebars, although even that gave me some grief until I finally broke down and actually READ THE MANUAL.  LOL.  Then I put it on charge and waited about half the recommended 8 hours for the first charge, and the light showed GREEN on the charger, so in theory she was ready to cruise on.  I flipped the ON SWITCH, revved the Throttle and…NOTHING.  Dead as a Doornail.  I am stumped, Batteries are connected and charged, light is Green on the Scooter, why does it not GO?  Did I wait a full month to just get a Chinese Lemon?


Finally I go noodling around inside the battery compartment and see that while the batteries are connected to the On/Off Switch and the charging circuitry, I neglected to connect the batteries to the MOTOR!  LOL.  Ooops.  Once I plugged the Motor in, ZOOM!  Here is the first Test Drive of the New Electric Wheelz:



This sucker really MOVES for something so small and cheap, and given the HUGE amount of Gas wasted by Soccer Moms driving around the kidz too and fro to Soccer, Piano Lessons and Scout Meetings, the amount of gas you could save just by having kidz cruise themselves around the neighborhood is enormous. I wouldn’t recommend one for a kid younger than 12 or so, but that still covers a lot of kids from 12-16 or so when they can get a Carz License to do Happy Motoring. Besides that, you could do most of your weekly shopping for Food at Safeway with one.  I’ll be adding Baskets and perhaps a Trailer also to this for increased Cargo Capacity.


Finally, on the Commutation level for Worker Bees of Industrial Civilization, if you set up your Light Rail stations with Rail Carriages that were designed to accept a passenger and his Scooter, your resolve the “Last Mile” problem between Train Stations and Home and Workplace, the Commuter could easily get to work and back without having to drive the SUV.  Actually, you can do a good deal better than the “Last Mile”, you could have a 5 mile trip to the train station from home, a 5 mile trip from train station to work, and then long as you can recharge at work, make the trip back home as well.  The Range as designed is about 12-15 miles, though I will work on extending that one also.  Top Speed around 15 MPH, so the 5 mile portions of the commute take around 20 minutes.


Limitations are obvious, these are not good Bad Weather vehicles.  Heavy Rain, you don’t wanna show to work drenched to the bone.  Cold Weather, also no good, the batteries will crap out on you if the temps go too much below freezing.  However, for most Middle Latitude areas, you probably could use it about 9 months out of the year, 90% of the time.  That is a LOT of gas savings.  Here in Alaska, I estimate I can use it 6-8 months out of the year, depending on how the Climate situation progresses.


The other limitation you face is on the Battery End and Electricity Supply end, both of which will have problems once there are Gas Supply problems and/or Monetary System Collapse.  Noted already it is hard to get Batteries up here to Alaska, and the 3 SLA Batteries that come with this unit are rated for about 200 Charge/Discharge cycles.  So figure about a year of regular use before replacement is necessary. You would get longer life from Li-I batteries, but at least here in Alaska Batteries Plus doesn;t carry them, because they are not UL Approved, and are not likely to be in the near future.  Lead-Acid is probably better anyway on a scavenging level, since you can use Car Batteries from Junkyards as a source for the Lead and Sulfates for quite some time to come.  My estimate would be that after the collapse of the Carz Economy, you might get another 5-10 years out of a system designed around electrics like this, no more than that though.


Regardless of the fact in the Long Term it is likely to be unsustainable, in the Near Term it does provide some transition means to negotiate such things as Fuel Shortages and Rationing, as well as Price Spikes.  For me, I do not intend to use this device for regular commutes to work, even though it is theoretically possible to do so 8 months out of the year.  It is an Emergency Vehicle, a form of Prep for me.  I will use it if I simply cannot GET gas, or if the price spikes up so high that it is worthwhile to use this to keep my costs down.  Neither of those problems are here yet, though I do expect them in the next few years.


This Saturday, I will take the Ezip 1000 for it’s first real Test Run in the Colony Days Parade, a Route of about 2-3 miles I think, well under the rated range.  I will report on how it performed for that expedition.  I will also experiment here over time with more ways of using the system.  One thing is, if you keep it charged all the time (as you are supposed to in order to extend battery life), together with a Power Inverter to convert DC to AC, it should provide days to weeks of power to recharge stuff like my Galaxy Mega Phablet and keep me hooked to the Web even in fairly extended power outtage situations.  I am also going to look into ways to increase range, and perhaps “hybridize” it using a Chainsaw gas motor to power a trailer and drive the whole assembly.  All in all, a very fun exercise in prepping overall.


Meanwhile, until we actually do experience the COMPLETE COLLAPSE of Industrial Civilization, at the bargain price of $550, this is a fun little vehicle to have around.  It really was a BLAST getting on it today and sporting around to see how it worked.  If you ever really could develop good Transition Towns and some locally generated electricity, this technology is very simple and basic, and could last quite some time.  I don’t hold out too much hope for that though.


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Title: Re: Electra-Glide in Black II: EZ Rider RE
Post by: MKing on June 05, 2014, 05:29:26 AM
It's cute.

What might max speed be up a, say, 8% grade be? Scootering on low power teaches riders that folks behind us are really going to be pissed off, and then they do really stupid and dangerous things.

What with all the liquid fuels still available, and available in the future, the cagers are more likely to kill bicyclists/scooterists than collapse.

But it is cute. I'll take my EV power with A/C, heat, a nice radio, 40 miles of range, and a nice safety cage wrapped around me to keep those morons using liquid fuels from killing me. Staying alive alone is worth the cost difference.

Title: Electra-Glide in Black II: Colony Days Parade
Post by: RE on June 06, 2014, 09:07:01 PM
Tomorrow is the first Big Test for the Ezip, doing the Parade Route around Palmer.  There are no major grades in this route, so I won't be getting a feel for max speed up a serious incline.  On minor inclines it does fine with my weight, coming in around 160 lbs, well under it's rated 240 lb load capacity.  Max speed is around 15 mph, it goes about as fast as anyone can sprint for 50 yards, but will do so with the 10 AH batteries for about 12-15 miles.  The Motor is 1000 Watts, which is about 1.5 Horsepower.

I dropped by Batteries & Bulbs today to look at some possible auxiliary batteries to increase range, there were some Werker Batteries rated for 14 AH that are pretty compact.  This would more than double the range, totally sufficient for anything I might ever use this thing for.

The main thing tomorrow is the LEGAL question.  Investigating Alaska DMV Administrative laws, this probably fits under Mopeds which they want Registered and also you are supposed to take a Motorcycle Test  to drive one.  This is fucking ridiculous.  There will be many cops at the Parade, I am very curious to see if I get stopped along the route because it has no Plates on it.  I won't even be driving it at Top Speed, but rather the Walking Speed of the Parade, around 3 MPH.  It is actually rather tricky to drive this slow on a 2 wheel vehicle, takes decent sense of balance to do it.

Riding it out on the Roads is pretty much ASKING for a trip to the Great Beyond.  It is way too slow for this, you are gonna get run down in no time, even hugging the edge of the road. However, here in the Mat Valley we have Bike Paths that you can cruise on quite nicely with it along the main roads.  Mostly I will stick to them and very quiet neighborhood streets without much traffic on them.

The value of this vehicle is as a PREP, not as something that useful right now.  However, when most people cannot get GAS and the roads empty out, it will be quite nice to ride on.  Besides this, unlike about every other type of scooter, it fits in your car, which is a GREAT prep to have aboard a car.  Your car breaks down, you pull out the scooter and can head to the next exit on the interstate on the shoulder.  You arrive at a campsite, you can use it to drag all your gear from your car to the riverside for fishing. You can easily convert it to work as a basic Electric Winch as well once at your site.  It has a Direct Drive system, NO CHAIN!  This cuts down on stuff that can break here.

The ideal use for such a vehicle would be in a Transition Town type situation, with small Pavestone Roads about 3' wide.  It would move the workers from their living areas out 2-3 miles to the Food Growing facilities, and draws such low power that it could easily be charged with local Wind Turbines and PV Arrays, for as long as those last.

When we start the 1st Sunstead, I will lay it out designed for these vehicles and Bicycles, with one Biodiesel Tractor Trailer to move produce off the land and to larger markets or railheads.  :icon_sunny:

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Title: Re: Electra-Glide in Black II: EZ Rider RE
Post by: RE on June 08, 2014, 07:00:51 PM
I took the Ezip on it's first big test at the Colony Days Parade, and it performed mostly OK, with some glitches.  I'll be writing a full article sometime this week.

One thing is, it definitely does not like "Stop & Go" and moving at super low walking speeds.  Basically you want to be moving at its full out speed all the time.  There were issues with it not going at all after I would stop and wait for the walkers to catch up.  I think this may be an issue of the battery not being broken in yet.  I also don't think the Full/Half/Empty lights indicating battery charge are very accurate.  This is annoying, because you got no clue when it will die on you completely.  It never did, but at the end it was very intermittent about getting going, I would have to wait a few minutes with it turned off before I could turn it on and go again.

For this excursion I'll estimate with all the back and forth and circling I did, I probably covered 5 miles on it.  Right now I wouldn't trust it for a 10 mile trip, though I think it would do better run continuously rather than stop & go.

I'm looking at a spare battery pack of 14AH Batteries to carry along with me.  I have to get hardware to make it all match up though.  That upgrade will cost about $200.

It is HUGE fun to ride around on though, and I got zero attention from the Gestapo at the parade.  I don't think the registration/licensing thing will be a problem long as I am not on main roads, which would be sucidal anyhow.  ON the other hand, LOTS of attention and questions from onlookers about it.  Everybody thought it was really cool and wanted one.

I got some nice scooter cam videos, but not processed yet for You Tube.  I'll have them in the article.

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Title: Re: Electra-Glide in Black II: EZ Rider RE
Post by: Surly1 on June 09, 2014, 01:01:22 AM

It is HUGE fun to ride around on though, and I got zero attention from the Gestapo at the parade.  I don't think the registration/licensing thing will be a problem long as I am not on main roads, which would be sucidal anyhow.  ON the other hand, LOTS of attention and questions from onlookers about it.  Everybody thought it was really cool and wanted one.

I got some nice scooter cam videos, but not processed yet for You Tube.  I'll have them in the article.

RE

Given how difficult it apparently is to get them up there, may be you should open a dealership? :laugh:
Title: Re: Electra-Glide in Black II: EZ Rider RE
Post by: RE on June 09, 2014, 01:31:16 AM
Given how difficult it apparently is to get them up there, may be you should open a dealership? :laugh:

I am seriously considering that. :)

First though, I have to work through the issues here and have better knowledge about how reliable the whole thing is overall.

The Weak Point is clearly the Batteries.  Rest of the system is very simple and basic.

IMHO, to be really functional in this neighborhood, you need 20 Miles reliably per charge, and the battery system has to work reliably through the whole range.  Not sure on those parameters yet.

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Title: Re: Electra-Glide in Black II: EZ Rider RE
Post by: MKing on June 09, 2014, 08:17:01 AM

I got some nice scooter cam videos, but not processed yet for You Tube.  I'll have them in the article.

RE

Given how difficult it apparently is to get them up there, may be you should open a dealership? :laugh:

Agreed. Money making business opportunities and American entrepreneurship are what has kept collapse at bay and America on top of the food chain for a  century now, and could keep right on working through all of our lifetimes.
Title: Re: Electra-Glide in Black II: EZ Rider RE
Post by: Eddie on June 09, 2014, 11:54:03 AM
I spent the weekend fooling around with a new outboard motor for my old daysailer. One of these:

(http://www.nestawayboats.com/userimages/torqeedo_1003_503_waterproof_outboard.jpg)

Li-Ion battery rated at 520 Wh at approximately 30 volts comes out to 17 or so amp hours. This is enough to motor slowly for a few hours in my 19 footer, and you can rig a solar panel to charge as you sail. They sell a proprietary 45W panel, but it's outrageously expensive. I'll wire my own for much less.

Very smooth and quiet, although it whines noticeably at certain speeds...but if you just adjust up or down a bit it goes away. So far I like it.

With a solar panel and a jump bag it's a floating bug-out machine. I just need to get to the ocean.
Title: Re: Electra-Glide in Black II: EZ Rider RE
Post by: Petty Tyrant on June 09, 2014, 04:41:17 PM

I got some nice scooter cam videos, but not processed yet for You Tube.  I'll have them in the article.

RE

Given how difficult it apparently is to get them up there, may be you should open a dealership? :laugh:

Agreed. Money making business opportunities and American entrepreneurship are what has kept collapse at bay and America on top of the food chain for a  century now, and could keep right on working through all of our lifetimes.

Chinese scooter which is why this year the chinese economy is overtaking the american as the largest in the world. What is this defining event  a century ago when it seems your entire understanding of history is summed up in 3 words ; 'wer'e number one'. FYI  A century ago u entered ww1 late, and were far from the fighting and destruction, but it was no doubt all a great money making exercise for some, then that same thing worked well enough again in ww2 entered the ar late far from the fighting and destruction. The factories used for all that arms dealing profiteering were left intact. The factories have moved to china and you borrow money you can not pay back from them to buy their scooters. Only if youre one of the legendary half ton landwhales ridng reinforced 4 wheelers out of sheer laziness are u the top of the foodchain in any form and you have the mcdonalds mental laziness on show already.

Title: Re: Electra-Glide in Black II: EZ Rider RE
Post by: MKing on June 09, 2014, 07:29:51 PM

Chinese scooter which is why this year the chinese economy is overtaking the american as the largest in the world.

Certainly not because of the quality as represented by their scooters. Or dry wall. Or all the other stuff that more resembles the "Made in Japan" tag from the 50's. Give them time, I have no doubt they will get better, and it will cost more going forward, and then we can talk about quality per dollar of GDP and whatnot, rather than just a country with 4X the size of the US having 4X the number of folks to sell stuff to, as well as their manufacturing base for tshirts and whatnot.

I don't know if anyone remembers all of the "4th largest army in the world!" nonsense during Gulf War I, turns out that paper tigers are paper tigers, regardless of size.

Quote from: Uncle Bob
What is this defining event  a century ago when it seems your entire understanding of history is summed up in 3 words ; 'wer'e number one'. FYI  A century ago u entered ww1 late, and were far from the fighting and destruction, but it was no doubt all a great money making exercise for some, then that same thing worked well enough again in ww2 entered the ar late far from the fighting and destruction. The factories used for all that arms dealing profiteering were left intact. The factories have moved to china and you borrow money you can not pay back from them to buy their scooters. Only if youre one of the legendary half ton landwhales ridng reinforced 4 wheelers out of sheer laziness are u the top of the foodchain in any form and you have the mcdonalds mental laziness on show already.

Oh, certainly America has its issues. So does China. And watching it all play out will be fascinating, in part because Americans will be involved, as we matter, unlike many other countries of the world. I realize that those countries are often irritated at their impotence, that is okay, us Americans understand. So feel free to hunker down behind our security capabilities and wind up your courage for an attack on our ankles, but certainly you won't ever forget why you are hiding behind us when it all goes in the pot. There are some things we truly are exceptional at, and the reason those impotent countries hide behind us is proof of one really BIG one.
Title: Re: Electra-Glide in Black II: EZ Rider RE
Post by: Petty Tyrant on June 10, 2014, 01:34:09 AM
Hows the quality of a cadillac or jag made in china?

the reality is this country and many others have military alliances with the us but have their economy tied totally to china. this country has dollar bypass deals with china. everyone is doing it. we are all like a hot chick who is fucking some hot stud and married to a past it impotent old man with a gun.

talk about your military and chinese componentry. If u pride yourself on the trillion dollars a year u borrow from china to run that, remember the cost cutting involved making china the biggest supplier of electronic componentry you have and every chinese officer learns hacking at the academy. You can rely on your HF radios though courtesy of my fathers company Codan,  courtesy of the chicken hiding behind u. Seen a Motorolla in the military lately? I think chickens u think are all hiding behind u are really like the woman after the husband finds her in bed with the lover. yes we all contributed troops to all your wars but if u paid any attention to whats going on lately u will see we wont do it for u against our biggest trading partners.

Koreans, vietnamese, bosnians, iraquis, afghans, were never a threat to any of us. We did not hide behind you against them. We went along becuase there was nothing to lose by it. Very different if u want us to fight our meal ticket for u.

Sure  the husband has his clothes/bases in the bedroom but he aint getting any action.
Title: Re: Electra-Glide in Black II: EZ Rider RE
Post by: MKing on June 10, 2014, 07:01:40 AM
Hows the quality of a cadillac or jag made in china?

Don't know. Never owned either. Are they about to begin making EVs of similar quality at a better price than the Volt do you think?

Quote from: Uncle Bob
talk about your military and chinese componentry. If u pride yourself on the trillion dollars a year u borrow from china to run that, remember the cost cutting involved making china the biggest supplier of electronic componentry you have and every chinese officer learns hacking at the academy.

It appears you have not learned one of the basic power plays of borrowing money. Not a surprise, those who think all debt is bad generally don't, but it goes like this.

When you owe the bank $1000, the bank owns you. When you owe the bank $1,000,000,000,000, you own the bank.

As I've said previously, elsewhere, which you may or may not be allowed to see, this will be fascinating to see how it plays out.

Quote from: Uncle Bob
Koreans, vietnamese, bosnians, iraquis, afghans, were never a threat to any of us. We did not hide behind you against them. We went along becuase there was nothing to lose by it. Very different if u want us to fight our meal ticket for u.


Ankle biters go along because they have no alternative. It isn't as though you are capable of projecting the ultimate political will (violence) much beyond your borders, therefore you are left with lounging around waiting for the outcome from the great game, coming up with reasons why you COULD be a player...if you wanted to...but really...you can't. No shame in it.
Title: Re: Electra-Glide in Black II: EZ Rider RE
Post by: Petty Tyrant on June 10, 2014, 04:44:43 PM
No shame in it.

If occasional relapse is part of sobriety I suppose not.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBwZUxg_ChU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBwZUxg_ChU)



Title: Electra Glide in Black: Cargo Capacity
Post by: RE on June 21, 2014, 12:06:12 AM
This weekend I am working to develop Cargo Carrying Capacity for my Ezip 1000 Electric Wheelz.

Trying to find hardware that will fit on it and mount has been a bit of a challenge.  I shopped around at everywhere from Lowe's to a Harley Davidson Dealership, as well as 2 Bike Shops and Walmart, and visited a guy who does custom welding and tube bending.

The custom shop turned me down, he said it was simply too labor intensive plus he didn't have equipment to make the kind of bends necessary in tubing of the right size.

Found a real nice Bag at Harley that would mount OK, plus the Harley Logo on it would really have made the thing look COOL.  8)  However, Harley wanted $185 for this bag, and I have several bags that I could mount in similar fashion already, basically by Bungeeing the bag to the frame and Seat Column.  Besides, I wanted metal hardware here, in BLACK preferably to match up well and make it look like this was by design.

The stuff at the Bike shops wasn't well designed to mount on the Ezip.  Generally their stuff mounts on the rear hub, and you can't really do that with the Ezip because that is where the motor assembly is.

I finally found what I was looking for at Walmart in their Bike Dept.  They had a front mounted Handlebar Basket which can be disconnected quickly, a Seat Post rear carrier and folding panier baskets that I can attach to the rear carrier.

I mounted the seat post Rear Carrier today, it JUST fit over the seat post and slid down far enough to get the seat back on.  I had to take off the Cable Lock mount that I had added to make it fit.  This was neat but really unnecessary.

The Front Basket mounts were a bit too small for the tubing diameter of the Ezip, but I solved that problem with some extra long screws I picked up at Alaska Industrial Hardware.

The Rear Panier Folding Baskets I will mount tomorrow, either with some more screw hardware from AIH or just bungee it together, not sure which way is better right now.

The general Rating in terms of how much Cargo Weight can go in any of this stuff is around 20 lbs.  That is definitely most I would load into the front basket.  However, because of the way the rear paniers will end up attaching, they actually rest on the Frame of the Ezip itself, so could carry quite a bit more weight overall than what they could in a typical bike mounting situation.

In any event, I am limited to about total 80 lbs of possible Cargo, subtracting off my weight of 160 from the rated 240 lbs for the Ezip.  So right now I am figuring 20 lbs in the front basket, 10 lbs second Battery Pack behind the seatpost resting on the frame, and 50 lbs distributed out over the rear carrier and 2 folding panier baskets.

Obviously, other than using it as a Bugout Machine, this is FAR more weight than I will ever carry on it at once.  What it does provide is enough cargo capacity to load a week's worth of Groceries EZ into the Baskets and on top of the carrier.  Or to easily carry all my camera equipment for Photo and Video expeditions.  About 20-30 lbs max in either case.

I will be writing a Full Article for the Blog on this once I get it all set up and then get some vids to go with it.

Unless you are DEAD BROKE, this is definitely a Prep worth having.  $550 buys the machine itself, total cost for adding the Cargo capacity around another $100.

An example of how cheap you could live with one long as the Grid is still up and the econ system has not crashed completely, say you park your main Bugout Machine Tioga RV in a campground around Springfield MO.  Monthly rent there around $300-500 (depends how ritzy a campground you choose) for your space, includes Hookups for your bathroom, electricity and Internet WiFi.  You charge up your Ezip daily, you got juice to make it to Safeway and Back with your Groceries, which you can buy with your SNAP card.  You should be able to do OK on around $5000/year income.

Find a Job in a local convenience store or Truckstop paying Minimum Wage @$7/hr, 20 hours a week.  You got your bills covered here, you got Transportation, wireless Internet and $1-2000 in Discretionary Income to play with!

Due to the Cold Issues up here in Winter, this is not a workable paradigm for Alaska year round.  However, anywhere south of around Missouri with current yearly temp variations, it works year round.  Although there might be some days or weeks you would not want to ride it to go get groceries, long as you have a Buffer of say a month worth of Food and Beer to ride out bad weather, you'll be fine.

Once we get the Monetization shit done on the Diner, I will be selling Ezips! Ka-Ching! (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-WcawZeALNj4/Tl0dp3T0T6I/AAAAAAAAAAc/aL-Yh7mMcT0/s1600/moneymouth-money-mouth-money-dollar-smiley-emoticon-000630-large.gif)

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Title: Upcoming: Aeon of the Waterbearers
Post by: RE on June 28, 2014, 07:09:31 PM
Just got back from a Photo and Vid expedition for tomorrow's Sunday Brunch article, Aeon of the Waterbearers.  I shamelessly ripped off this titling from WHD.  LOL.

The article obviously will be about Global Water issues.

It was a great opportunity to take the Electric Wheelz for a cruise around Matanuska River park, and I got a new Signature Photo to use with my Bio on GEI and elsewhere.

(http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/RE-Ezip.jpg)

Great vid of the waters here, which are running fast and high due to heavy rains for the last week.

OK, gotta get writing and editing pics and vids.

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Title: Re: Upcoming: Aeon of the Waterbearers
Post by: JoeP on June 28, 2014, 08:00:52 PM

It was a great opportunity to take the Electric Wheelz for a cruise around Matanuska River park, and I got a new Signature Photo to use with my Bio on GEI and elsewhere.

(http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/RE-Ezip.jpg)


Not really seeing any visible wear on the tires, have you really been using it very much? I assume the tires are inflatable? Do you have replacement tires, or are you really still "evaluating" the bike? 
 
Title: Re: Upcoming: Aeon of the Waterbearers
Post by: RE on June 28, 2014, 08:14:38 PM
Not really seeing any visible wear on the tires, have you really been using it very much? I assume the tires are inflatable? Do you have replacement tires, or are you really still "evaluating" the bike?

I don't put a lot of mileage on it.  I don't use it to commute to work for instance.  I just take it out now for recreational purposes.  It remains basically a Prep Vehicle for the day I can't get gas to fill up the SUV, or the gas gets outrageously expensive.

I will say though it is out of the "Test" phase, the thing clearly works, and is pretty durably built.  The technology is very simple too.

I will be ordering some Spare Parts from Currie, along with making an auxiliary Battery Pack for it from Werker Batteries from a local distributor.  From Currie I will order a spare rear wheel-motor assembly, extra tires and some wiring hardware, a spare Throttle also.

I have it well set up now for carrying Cargo, I have a front basket that snaps on and I have a rear basket I can bungee to the rear Carrier.  I can easily carry a week's worth of groceries on it.

I highly recommend this as a Prep.  It's a lot of fun to ride around on too, and everybody is curious about it.

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Title: Re: Electra-Glide in Black II: EZ Rider RE
Post by: RE on July 11, 2014, 06:58:09 PM
(http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/RE-Ezip-300x194.jpg)
I took the Electric Wheelz out for a Range Test today, circling a 1 mile loop around the Safeway Parking Lot.  I don't want to go for a long ride somewhere and run out of juice halfway home.  By doing this, I was never more than about 1/4 mile from the SUV at any point, so I could have pushed it back

I did 6 trips around the loop before the Amber "Half" light was on constantly and started getting occassional flashes of the Red "Low' Diode.  I'll estimate you are pretty secure for 10 miles on normal terrain with around a 170 lb total load.  It might even get the 12-15 miles it's rated for with the current 10AH battery pack.

The major improvement they could make is to have a Clutch on the motor.  As it stands now the motor is always engaged to the rear wheel, so if you do run out of juice, when you push it typical Scooter Style, you push against the magnets in the motor, which is a LOT of drag.  If you had a clutch to release the motor from the rear wheel, you could save a lot of power doing some pushing occassionally on flat even terrain.

When I get the auxiliary battery pack in place, the thing really does become a very good Commuter vehicle in most urban/small town environments for most of the year.  That would up the range to a solid 30 miles on a single charge. When we get the first Sunstead open for Biz, I will invest in about 4 more of them with trailers for bringing produce to a local farmer's market and for doing light utility work around the Sunstead, such as dragging around piles of compost for the raised beds, harvesting Berries into a hopper on the trailer, etc. This way I can still be semi-useful even as a CRIPPLE.

Although they ride best on nice pavement, they do fine on gravel and dirt roads also, long as its not muddy soft stuff.  I have ridden it across grass fields as well.  So it would work in a rural area with mostly dirt roads, or the likely poorly maintained paved roads left from the Age of Oil.  It's easy to navigate around potholes and bumps since you don't go that fast.  On a dirt road, about 10 mph is about as fast as you want to go with it.

In combination with your own PV recharging system and/or MicroHydro and Wind Turbines, you're probably good for a decade or so of local transportation with these things, plus say 1 or 2 Polaris Ranger EVs like Peter's for more heavy duty work.  You would want to have a stock of extra batteries kept charged all the time but not put through many discharge cycles.  This would keep these spare batteries good for probably the decade of projected utility.

This transitionary period gives you time to breed up Horses, Goats and Oxen on the Sunstead to replace the EWz as the motors and batteries and tires etc you can't replace and don't have spares for begin to give out.  If you are fortunate of course, the economy may turn around to keep producing these things, though I wouldn't count on that scenario as too likely.

At the current price of $550 (may have gone up since I bought mine though) this is a Prep too good NOT to have, especially for an Electric freak like Eddie.  I recommend you buy at least 2 to keep out at the Toothstead and test how long to charge off your current PV Array.

Fortunately, my Right Arm is still working well enough to turn the throttle.   ::)

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Title: Re: Electra-Glide in Black II: EZ Rider RE
Post by: RE on July 12, 2014, 12:45:45 AM
OK, after today's probably 1/2 discharge cycle, the recharge took about 4 hours.  Assuming you can recharge at work and have a Full Time position flipping burgers for 8 hrs, you definitely can commute to a Mickey Ds up to about 10 miles from your McHovel without any auxiliary batteries.

If you assume the R/T is 20 miles and gas comes in at $5/gallon (soon), each day you can use the EWz you save about $4, guessing on how much the juice costs to recharge it here.  It's probably less than this though. So it probably takes about 150 days or so of use to pay for itself outta da box, just on your work commute.  If you add in what you spend on gas for grocery shopping, probably cut 1/3rd off that, so call it 100 days to pay for itself.

Given that Public Transportation probably costs minimum $1 each way to your Min Wage job, even without a car you probably can pay for the EWz inside a year of use.

Regular use of this type will wear down the batteries though, so you probably have to replace each year at a current replacemtent price for SLA Batteries at $150.  So you are not net positive here until after around 75 days of use in the second year, assuming the $1 Bus Ride cost as an alternative.  If you can replace with LiI Batteries, you might do better than this.

The IDEAL use for these things would be for Carpool Vans to pull a small trailer you can load the EWz into at a pickup point near the Interstate, you ride in comfort inside the Van to the general destination, then do the last mile or two on the EWz.  This works in even pretty bad weather long as you have good rain gear to wear for the 15 min or so you ride the EWz to your work destination.

This system could cut Gas usage in the FSoA by minimum 50% EZ.

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Title: Re: Electra-Glide in Black II: EZ Rider RE
Post by: RE on July 13, 2014, 09:49:55 PM
(http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/RE-Ezip-300x194.jpg)
The more I cruise around on the EWz, the more I love it. (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-love018.gif)

While I don't think replacing the current fleet of ICE automobiles with full size EVs is possible or practical, I do think these things could be utilized in many ways that could reduce total gas consumption by more than half in the FSoA.

The major one would be in the Daily Work Commute.  Instead of private Carz, only large buses running along major thoroughfares would be permitted.  These buses would be modified so the EWz rider can easily roll on and off the bus.  The buses could be diesel or electric themselves.  Once aboard, you fold down the handlebars and stow the EWz under your seat.

I would estimate a typical Touring Style Bus could accomodate easily 30 passengers and their EWz.  30 carz off the road right there.

Next is the School Commute for Kidz.  Most of the Bus Fleet could be repurposed for regular bus routes, and the kidz themselves can do their own commute to school on their EWz or bike.  You would only need buses for kidz under the age of say 10 or so who might not be able to drive an EWz themselves.  This would also resolve the "Soccer Mom" problem of moms whose main job in life is as a Chauffer for their kidz.

Once all the carz are off the secondary roads, these become safe to drive on for the EWz.  Maintenance costs for these roads will shrink considerably, since they no longer have to bear the weight of so much heavy traffic.

How will Deliveries be made to local stores?  All deliveries by Truck to local stores will be done between the hours of Midnite-5AM.  Don't be out on the road on your EWz during these hours!

Since you often have to get on Primary roads to go from one store to another or to visit a friend in another Subdivision, the main roads will need to be reconstructed with one lane dedicated to the EWz and Bikes, aka a Bike Lane, with a raised concrete barrier between the roadway the Buses and Trucks travel on and the lane the bikes and EWz use.

For most travel that you do around town, you would never need to load up onto one of the buses.  Anything within about a 10 mile radius you can just do on the EWz by itself.

In NYC where these things would REALLY be useful, the Subways already are set up so you can roll on and roll off them.  The only issue there is that there are stairs to negotiate for both the underground and above ground stations, that could be easily resolved either with Ramps in some situations, large Elevators in others.  Same with the LIRR and Metro-North light rail lines.  The main problem here is that with increased use of these rail systems plus everyone with a EWz or Bike would mean you would need many more trains running more frequently to handle the additional load.

About the only difficulty for the typical McMansion dweller here is if you purchase some large item like say a Big Screen TV you can't carry on the EWz.  For this stuff, either you have to shop in the Wee Hours or at least go pick up the stuff in the wee hours, or more likely it is Delivered in the Wee Hours by an Amazon.com Truck.  LOL.  For a large family that buys a LOT of groceries each week, if it is too much for the EWz in one load, maybe you make 2 trips or 3.  However, with Trailer attached, I think you could easily pull a week's worth of groceries for a family of 4 in one trip.

The additional load on the grid would not be too great, especially since most of the recharging would go on at night.  In any event, these suckers don't draw a lot of juice, a plasma TV or microwave draws a lot more.

The only major issue is with Inclement Weather.  However, rain gear should suffice in most situations, and you could ride it over snow too I am pretty sure.  I will try that this winter.  In any event, if the weather is REALLY bad, call in sick and take the day off from work/school!  LOL.

Families could still take day trips together for Picnics and stuff, just instead of all piling into the SUV, you all ride together on your Bikes and EWz!  If you want to go on a Camping Trip that is further than the range of the EWz, you can either use the Bus system or if you still have your own SUV and can afford the gas for it, you drive to the camping location between Midnite-5AM.

Can anyone ride one?  Hey, if a CRIPPLE like me can ride one, so can anyone else!  LOL.

There are also still many improvements that can be made.  First off, it is way heavier than it needs to be, the frame is made of Steel Tubing, if they switched to Aluminum it would cut the weight in half easily.  Carbon Fiber, even more.  As mentioned before, a clutch to disengage the motor would allow you to push it some of the time to extend range.

By no means also do you need to stick to this power level.  A larger motor and battery pack is quite feasible, to either give you some more speed or more load capacity, or both.  I could even envision a semi-enclosed version in a recumbent design that would protect you from the elements and give you better aerodynamics.

(http://www.recumbents.com/streamliners/apvector.jpg)

(http://www.recumbent-gallery.eu/wp-content/uploads/recumbent-trike-fairing.jpg)

I'm sure you could do 60mph easy if you set it up right, but I wouldn't recommend that.  Set up more for comfort and protection from the elements.  As long as you are sharing a lane with Bikes and Pedestrians, 20mph is an absolute MAX for safety reasons, and even that is a bit fast.  However, if you are travelling 3 miles to a friends house, WTF do you need to go so fast?  At 15mph you'll get there in 12 minutes.  That's not fast enough?

Along with transition to locally produced distributed electric power, I think this type of system could be sustained 20 years or more on just an energy level.  The problems are with the supply chains and economics.  The technology though is simple enough that local or regional factories for producing them could be ramped up.  Really, just a good metal working shop you could do most of it.  The Tires, Shock Absorbers, cables and levers etc more difficult.  Batteries the most difficult in the absence of good supply chains.

In any event, I still highly recommend one as a Prep, particulalrly for a City Dweller in an Apartment without good Parking available other than street parking. I also sure wish I had one of these things when I was Trucking.  I might still be OTR if I did.  The biggest problem with OTR is you are stuck at Truckstops all the time, can't go cruising around the neighborhood where you park too easily.  I did carry my bike for a while for this, but mostly you are too bushed after 10 hours behind the wheel to go pumping the pedals.  With an EWz, I could have explored a lot more of the country while I was OTR.

Get yours today!

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Title: Electric Wheelz GONE!
Post by: RE on July 14, 2014, 12:43:28 AM
For all you Diners JEALOUS of my EWz, you may be outta luck for getting one of your own.

I tried to order some Spare Parts direct from Currie.  The Checkout on their website store doesn't work.  I called their 800 number.  "Technical Difficulties" make them unable to respond to any phone calls.

Then I went to all the retailers I looked at when ordering to begin with to order another complete one, they are ALL out of stock, with no indication if it will ever be IN stock again.

So it is looking like I bought the Delorean of EV Scooters.  LOL.

To keep it going, I'll have to find off the shelf parts from other manufacturers that might work with it, for as long as those are available.

Main early issue is Batteries, which should not be too much trouble for a while.  Batteries & Bulbs here has numerous batteries that will run it, though most won't fit the floor compartment.  That is not too big a deal, I'll make a battery compartment behind the seat for them.

Next issue is probably Tires, however once I measure them up I think various Wheelbarrow and Lawn Mower Tires and Inner Tubes will fit.

The rest of the hardware is mostly Bicycle stuff, so should be able to find cables and levers etc for a while. The motor would be hard to replace, but this sucker looks very well built to me and should last longer than I do.  The throttle would be problematic, but any rheostat would work for this, you just wouldn't have the same hand control over speed as easily.

Why is this vehicle not SELLING?  For all the reasons I delineated here already.  First off, it is not SAFE to ride on the streets together with Carz.  Second, because there are all sorts of peculiar laws which say you need to register such a thing and have a license to drive it. Third because as of now, you couldn't use it together with Buses and Subways and Light Rail in the Commuter paradigm.  They aren't set up for it currently.  It's too much to be a TOY, too little to function in the current environment as a Commuter Vehicle except in some very niche situations.

Glad I got my little Delorean when I did.  Now, if I can just get it up to 88 Miles Per Hour and go BACK TO THE PAST on it, maybe I can fix everything up here. Can't seem to locate a Flux Capacitor on Ebay or Amazon though. LOL.

(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/06/bttf_time_machine_ebay_lead.jpg)

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Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: agelbert on July 14, 2014, 04:25:53 PM
Quote
For all you Diners JEALOUS of my EWz, ...
(http://cdn.thenextweb.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/2011/08/envy-520x245.jpg)  Who me?  :icon_mrgreen:
Title: Re: Electric Wheelz GONE!
Post by: RE on July 14, 2014, 10:50:08 PM
GOOD NEWZ! (I think)  :icon_sunny:

Although I could not find anyplace still selling the Ezip 1000, I DID find a place that had many SPARE PARTS for it IN STOCK, the House of Scooters (http://www.houseofscooters.com/).

I ordered:

Complete Rear Wheel Assembly with Motor ($209)
2 Street Tires ($20 each)
2 Knobby Tires ($20 each)
2 Inner Tubes ($11 each)
Throttle ($22)
36V Charger ($33)

I did NOT order the Spare Battery Pack, as I do not think this will ship to Alaska.  I may order one and have it shipped to Eddie, then figure out how to get it up here later.  As mentioned, I can adapt other batteries to use I can buy up here.

With this set of spares, I think I am good for at least 5 years after TSHTF, especially not using it much

I am particularly EXCITED about having the spare Rear Wheel assembly with motor.  I think I could use this to create a whole new type of EV along a recumbent design as mentioned previously.

Now for the (possible) Bad Newz.

Until this actually SHIPS AND makes it up here, I can't be sure I got the stuff even though the Order went through.  I had several false starts with this when I ordered the EWz to begin with.

There are still other manufacturers with various EWz for sale around the net.  I am going to look for ones I think are good buys to get while you still can.  I won't look at anything over $1000, to keep this in a range most Diners could afford as a Prep.  There are still some Curries available in the 500W range, 24V, I think these would probably do OK for most purposes.  Also some Razors.

It looks to me like all these brands actually come from Schwinn, which of course has it's Factories in China nowadays.  I think they are just discontinuing manufacture due to low sales on them.

I'll definitely look for a local FSoA manufacturer with something that comes in at less than the exorbitant $10K for that Stealth Bike that UB recommended.

Also, Eddie mentioned Kits that you can use to convert a regular Bike with 26" wheelz to Electric.  There are many of these kits available, $200 price range or so.  My local Bike Shop however said they do not do the conversions, too many difficulties with it.  However, if you yourself are mechanically inclined, or your local Bike Shop mechanic is better than the one around here, this might be a way to go.

I will update when I know if the Spare Parts shipped or not.

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Title: Electric Bicycles: Uber-Scoot available from Hammacher-Schlemmer
Post by: RE on July 14, 2014, 11:36:12 PM
(http://www.sascootershop.co.za/image_product_feed2.php?id=338)
This model still available from Hammacher-Schlemmer (http://www.hammacher.com/Product/12099?cm_cat=ProductSEM&cm_pla=AdWordsPLA&source=PRODSEM&gclid=Cj0KEQjw_42eBRDHqcG1psmtneEBEiQAWPL8WAm1IaUqY0xPAWW64WIem3MMk1C0ft6KacsJ_vMY33QaAtzx8P8HAQ).  They are a quality retailer and offer Lifetime Guarantees (long as they remain in Bizness of course)

Pluses: This one does an ASTOUNDING 26 mph!*  That is fucking FAST on one of these things.
                       Battery compartment looks larger than the one on the Ezip.  Might fit 18 AH batteries.
                       Looks slightly more compact than the Ezip

Minuses: Smaller Wheelz than the Ezip.  This probably is only good on pavement or very hard pack dirt.
                       Chain Drive, not Direct Drive.  Possible Failure Point, need spares.

I may order one of these and have shipped to Eddie.

Also 36V, so it is likely compatible with the electrics on the Ezip 1000.  Also sports a 1000W motor.

$550 from HS.

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*Note:  I think the Ezip also could do this speed if I disable the Speed Controller.  I will look into this.
Title: Electric Bicycles: Ezip Off Board Charging Adapter FOUND!
Post by: RE on July 15, 2014, 02:55:33 AM
(http://ep.yimg.com/ay/yhst-92821211804676/xlr-4-connector-off-board-charging-port-adapter-1.jpg)
I just found the Off Board Charging Adapter for the Ezip at MonsterScooters.com!  $10.  It was their last one. I tried to order 2, could only order 1.

Why is this little accessory important?

With it, I can pull the battery pack from the EWz and charge it anywhere, without rolling the EWz into the location!!!

Also, I can use it to charge up any THREE 12 V SLA batteries at once by wiring them in series.  Actually, I think it will work fine with Li-I batteries too.

Here is how this works to scarf up FREE (for you) energy when you pull off the road and drop in any location with an electric outlet.

The Battery Pack is pretty small and inconspicuous.  If I sat down at a Truckstop or Coffee Shop table, I just drop it on the floor at my feet.  I plug in my Laptop to scarf up Free Wifi (expected) and also plug in the charger for the batteries.

I buy a Sludge Cup of Java, and do a Collapse Cafe over Google for a couple of hours with other Kollapsniks while my batteries charge up.  3 hours, I get about a half full charge on the batteries, all for FREE!!!!  :icon_sunny:  This allows me to do some Happy EWz motoring for at least 3-4 miles or so.

Tons of other places to Plug In while you do other tasks.  If I go to the Laundromat to do my Laundry, I plug the battery pack in there while I wait for the laundry to be done.  In fact, I don't actually have to do any laundry, as these places usually only have one staff person around and she is not concerned with people plugging stuff into the outlets in the establishment.

Now, besides your ability to scarf up enough juice for cruising around, it ALSO allows you to scarf up juice for making your Sleeping Bag toasty warm.

All you need to do here is have a 12V Heating Pad (available at your local truckstop) and a Sleeping Bag and Tent.

Once all Juiced Up, you drive a bit of a ways outta town (say 2 miles) and find a nice secluded spot to set up Camp for the night.  Overnight, if the temps drop real low, you plug the heating pad into the Battery pack (you would have to do some minor rewiring here and take them out of series), and with a decent sleeping bag good to say 20F, you probably are good for 30 below EZ with the pad inside the bag.

In the morning, you wake up, rewire up for travel 2 miles BACK to your recharge location, Rinse & Repeat!

The batteries also provide power for your Laptop to write on while at your secluded campsite, and will recharge your Diode Flashlights too! Once back in town, you Upload your latest Rant to the Internet from OUTSIDE the Coffee Shop with the Free WiFi, you don't even have to go INSIDE and buy a Cup of Coffee!

If I wasn't employed and a good citizen of the Industrial Economy, I sure would love to try out this paradigm. I wonder if I could navigate across the whole lower 48 this way, going from Coffee Shop and Truckstop and Laundromat all along the way?  The long stretches in the West across the desert areas probably tough to do.  I think with battery capacity for 100 miles it is doable though.  That would require 5-6 Battery packs, which would add weight of course to the assembly.

It would DEFINITELY be possible if I had some apparatus for pirating power off the high tension high voltage power transmission lines along the way.  However, I would have to be younger and in better shape to be climbing the poles to access that power, and the equipment to do it probably too heavy to pull along with this rig.

In any event, within say a 50 mile radius of any decent small town, you could probably do this for quite some time.

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Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: RE on July 15, 2014, 05:42:04 PM
Bad Newz first, so far no confirmation my Spare Parts order has been SHIPPED from House of Scooters.

Good Newz, neither have they emailed me yet that they can't fill the order.

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Title: Why E-Wheelz are not Selling
Post by: RE on July 15, 2014, 06:16:23 PM
More thoughts on the Economic Model problem for the EWz.

Besides the mentioned problem of SAFETY insofar as sharing the roadways with Automobiles and Trucks are concerned are regulations problems.

For instance, the still available Uber-Scooter from Hammacher-Schlemmer won't ship to either NY or Canada.  My guess here is both these locations made them Illegal.

Why?  Well, you could go into conspiracy theory, but more likely is that anyone who buys one will use it on Sidewalks rather than on roads, probably mostly Kidz with parents with enough money to buy one as a Toy, and they get into accidents and collisions with pedestrians.

Imagine trying to ride one on a Manhattan sidewalk.

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Fuhgettaboudit!  This would be worse than trying to ride as slow as the Colony Days Parade.

On the other hand, you would be DEAD in minutes out on the street with the Cabs and Buses

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So really, just no SAFE way to ride them at all here, the INFRASTRUCTURE is not there to support them.  They need their OWN ROADS!

So, no can do here as long as there are carz on the road.

What about after the Carz are off the roads?  How do you pay for the road maintenance and construction?

During the Carz Era, this was all financed through debt, and then taxes on Fuel Consumption to maintain the roads.  However, assume it is possible for everyone to have their own Solar PV charging station for their EWz.  How do you tax that?

Now, granted the types of roads you need for these things are smaller, but you still need to construct them, or really reconstruct the current leftover system.  How does all that reconstruction get financed?

In the early years of the Automobile going back to the 1800s and the Steam Cars, they weren't practical because there wasn't a road system to drive them on.  The road system got built on the back of copious energy available at the time, not so available now.

To make them practical, you need to set up a Planned Community around them.  A 5 mile diameter community with a Ring Road around it would work best, inside of which no carz or trucks permitted, and pathways for both pedestrians and EWz riders (and bikers).

That's my vision for a Transition SUNstead, with a central Longhouse and Domes, then a Food Forest surrounding it, populated by 1000 Heliopaths, generating their own electricity and keeping these things running for 10-20 years while you breed up enough Goats, Horses and Oxen to replace them over time.

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Title: Cross Country on the EWz
Post by: RE on July 15, 2014, 09:40:49 PM
I have been researching more, and as I suspected, my "Currie" Ezip was actually made by Schwinn, and goes back to around 2007.  They must have spun off or sold this division, but the construction of "Schwinn's" vehicle is precisely the same as the Currie one I bought.

(http://www.electricscooterparts.com/images3/2007-ST-1000.jpg)

At Electric Scooter Part (http://www.electricscooterparts.com/schwinn2007st1000parts.html)s I found all the various parts listed, but of course whether they actually have them in stock is an open question.  I will wait a bit here before trying to order anything from them to see how the prior orders I made work out.  Their 800 number does appear to work though.

In a sense, this is a great adventure into watching a supply chain disappear.  Because this one is very much at the margin, it is falling apart first.  Over time, finding parts for anything will become at least as difficult, if not more so.

The one thing they have listed I would really like to get is a more powerful Charger which will charge the Ezip in half the time the stock charger will.  Whether they actually have this for sale these days or not I do not know yet.

(http://www.electricscooterparts.com/images5/CHR-36V2.5AHS.jpg)

This would really increase your daily range assuming you have access to an Outlet somewhere.  Instead of having to wait around 6 hours for a charge, it would get done in 3.  A Long Lunch break at a Truck Stop.

Now, I DO have a MUCH more powerful 12V charger which I suspect could charge the batteries quite rapidly, but I would have to separate them out of series to do this.  Pain in the ass there, and not something you could do slyly.

One thing that is important to note here is the Amps for both.  1.6A for the one I have now, 2.5 for the bigger one.  This is really low power draw either way.  Why does it take 6 hours to charge up a 10AH system?  6x1.6=9.6 that's why!

Now, I have a 500W inverter putting out 120V, so it is capable of around 4A of AC current.  So I could easily run the higher power charger off of this.

Of course, really it is stupid to go through AC.  just directly charge 12V to 12V here.  You need to do some wiring an have switching for this though.

Now, I ALSO have a couple of 60W 12V Solar PV Panels.  So at max generation these produce 5A.  1 of them, to recharge a 10AH 12V battery would take 2 hours with good sunlight.  So, 1 panel would take 6 total hours to recharge all 3 12V batteries for the 36V system the EWz runs on.

This now DEFINITELY gets you across the FSoA at approximately 10 miles a day, JUST on solar power with the PV panel you tow on your trailer.  With regular plugins at laundromats and truckstops, double the possible daily mileage to 20.

So, a reasonable estimate for a Cross Country trip across the FSoA say NYC to LA, call it 200-250 days.

Recharge cycles and wear out on the batteries is an issue. They are rated at around 200 cycles, but figure after 100 they will start to deteriorate.  So you need at least one second battery set here for the trip.

I wish I was younger and in better shape. I'd love to try this on the EWz.

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Title: E-Wheelz: How Fast?
Post by: RE on July 16, 2014, 12:06:20 AM
I have been researching on the net regarding increasing the Top Speed of my EWz.

The easiest way to do it appears to be to get a 48V speed controller, add another battery and "over-volt" the motor to 48 volts.  According to the Scooter crowd, you can safely over-volt a motor to 1.5X its rated voltage, so in theory I could go as high as 54V.

I'm toying with doing these modifications, to see about getting to a Top Speed of maybe 30mph.

At the same time though, this seems somewhat unnecessary for the way I use it.  In fact, I rarely drive it at the current Top Speed.  At that speed, I go faster than walkers and even most cyclists for any length of time.  Buzzing around Parks and along River Walks and Paths, I am in no real rush, I'm looking for nice Pics to shoot.  So I probably won't bother with doing this.

In it's current configuration, it has a lot of torque and is relatively unaffected by even pretty steep hills.  I'd rather have high torque and a lower top speed than low torque and a higher top speed.

However, from the POV of making something that would be safer to drive in local traffic, you could up the speed of these things easily just with a little more battery power and a simple gear shift with maybe 3 gears to it.  With this, even with the current battery configuration and controller, you probably could get 50mph on most terrain out of it.

Overall though, Slow is better and safer with these things.  I am more interested in increasing Range and reducing charging time than with increasing Speed.

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Title: E-Wheelz: How Far
Post by: RE on July 16, 2014, 02:38:03 AM
OK, I am now musing on getting Automotive style Range from the EWz.

Currently it has a 10AH battery pack that fits in the floor compartment, good for around 12-15 miles according to spec.  I have been good for around 6 miles bringing it down to half according to the LEDs, so I'll accept the lower end of this estimate as accurate.

Current plan is to add a second Battery pack of 14AH batteries behind and under the seat.  Call that one good for 18 miles.

Next upgrade would be 2 packs of 18AH batteries on either side of the rear wheel in pannier compartments.  Add another 50 miles with these.  Total here, around 80 miles possible on a single charge.

Still not in automotive range of 300 miles, but then add in a small gas powered Generator to charge battery packs while you drive.  This I think doubles or triples the range, though of course depends on gas availability.

Additional weight carried here is an issue.  The additional packs and generator probably come to 30-40 lbs. so other cargo capacity is diminished, by how much I don't know though.

My new Hobby.   :icon_sunny:

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Title: How to Run your E-Wheelz via Chainsaw
Post by: RE on July 16, 2014, 03:29:36 AM
In order to hybridize your EWz, this video may come in handy from this Trailer Park Hoser.

http://www.youtube.com/v/GhWnE4jEKuo?feature=player_detailpage

Personally, I don't like friction drives.  Too much wear on the rubber.  However, it is easier than trying to work up a chain arrangement to pull from the hub.

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Title: Re: E-Wheelz: How Far
Post by: Surly1 on July 16, 2014, 04:15:14 AM

My new Hobby.   :icon_sunny:

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Title: E-Wheelz: Spare Parts
Post by: RE on July 17, 2014, 09:57:45 PM
Good Newz: The Off Board Charging port ordered from Monster Scooters has SHIPPED.

Bad Newz:  As of yet, the really BIG order of Spare Parts from House of Scooters has not yet shipped.

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Title: E-Wheelz: 2nd Battery Pack
Post by: RE on July 18, 2014, 06:09:31 PM
Good Newz today is I received the 12V Quick Disconnects I ordered to make a second Battery Pack for the EWz.  I also bought a while back at Auto Zone the wire and battery connectors that fit the Werker SLA batteries.

The Bad Newz is these connectors don't seem to match up perfectly with the ones on the EWz.  I think they may work though anyhow.

So I stopped in a Batteries and Bulbs and picked up 3 more 12V batteries at $46 each.  I decided to buy the 10AH instead of the 14 because these definitely will fit in the current battery compartment.  This also is all I really need for any use I currently plan for the EWz, even if using it regularly when Gas becomes unavailable.  It will up the range of the EWz to minimum 20 miles on a single charge, more than double what I need for the work commute and provides redundancy.

However, if this works as projected, down the collapse highway here a bit I may invest in around 6 more 14AH batteries to mount as Panniers on either side of the rear wheel.  These run $55 each, so that would be another $330 investment, along with more for assorted wiring parts.

Besides the fact this would more than quadruple the range to around 60 miles is the fact it gives me so much redundancy in 12V storage batteries.  I can always disassemble the 36V configuration and use them separately as 12V Batteries to run an Inverter, charge my laptop etc.  They can be charged this way also with my current Solar PV panels.

My estimation is here in Alaska we won't lose electricity probably for the rest of my life.  We have our own sources of NG, and Alaska is separate from the grid in the lower 48.  Of course, Global Thermonuclear War might take out our generating plants.  LOL.

These batteries are rated for around 200-300 charge/discharge cycles, more if not fully discharged each time.  With typical steady use each day in the 15 mile range, I could expect to get a year out of each set.

I took the EWz slightly Off Road for a short cut that 4wheelers use nearby where I work.  I managed to make it through, but the EWz will not "go" from a dead stop on a strong uphill grade of 45 degrees or more.  You need a running start with this and if you stop, either you push it the rest of the way up the hill or you go back down for another try at it.  The Modification you really need here is a Gearshift.  What you need to do is cannibalize an off road motorcycle for its gearshift, or alternatively substitute an electric motor on one of these bikes, which probably would be the easier transformation.

However, this was just an experiment, no roads meant for carz have these kinds of grades on them and the EWz has no issues on all the roads and paths meant for bicycles I have been on so far.  If I was carrying substantial more weight, 60lbs or more, it might have issues on some steeper grades though.

Still no shipment on the large order of Spare Parts.  Starting to Lose Hope on this.

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Title: Re: E-Wheelz: 2nd Battery Pack
Post by: RE on July 19, 2014, 09:24:02 PM
I spent a couple of hours today trying to get my 2nd Battery Pack wired to the EWz.  FAIL!

First, I had to go back to Auto Zone to buy a Crimping Tool for hooking the terminal connectors to the 10 Guage wire I bought.  I tried doing this with pliers, no go.  It doesn't help in doing wiring tasks either to only have one good arm.  $33 for the classiest Ratcheting Crimper they had on the shelf.

The big problem came with the Bullet Connector Quick Disconnect.  The ones I had shipped to me are 8 Guage, slightly too large.  The ones available at Auto Zone, 14-16 guage, too small.

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So I decided I would Jury Rig it just with the bare wires and electrical tape just to see if it would work.  BIG MISTAKE!  My hand slipped and I shorted the battery, ENORMOUS sparks and heat.  You think the sparks are big when you short a 12V battery, try it when you have 3 hooked in series at 36V!!!  It looked like Thor with his Hammer pulling down Lightning Bolts from Heaven.  Fortunately, they all managed to miss me.  FINGER OF GOD!  The connector on the Ezip was Blackened, and at first I couldn't even get the original battery pack connected because the plug was somewhat fried.  However, I took a screwdriver too it and got it opened up enough to accept the plug.    Thank God, it still works!  LOL.

So, back to shopping on the net for 10 guage quick disconnect, which I think I found from a FL electrical parts supplier.  I ordered 10 of them @ $2.69 each.

I will wait until I have the correct hardware here before I try this again, and next time I think I will ask an electrician friend to assist me in this task, lest I either electrocute myself or fry the EWz permanently.

What this does exemplify though is just how difficult it will be to keep anything running once supply chains start to fail.  Even little parts like this can make repairs difficult.

What I could do is exchange the 10 guage plug for the 8 guage one I have, but then this would not marry up to the original equipment.  Worst case scenario that is what I will do though, since getting original equipment from Currie appears to be impossible anyhow now.

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Title: Electrical Wire Pricing
Post by: RE on July 20, 2014, 12:50:34 AM
In my currently FAILING expedition into wiring up a 2nd battery pack, what I purchased for wiring was 10 gauge Black & Red wires from Auto Zone, which match up with the wires on the EWz.

For some small Rolls of each of these, it cost me $8 each.

However, there is no reason I can't use an AC Extension cord here instead, and I can get much more length and thickness in these cords at much cheaper price.   In fact, I don't have to buy one, I can just cannibalize one of the many I already own!

I can color code the two wires with electrical tape.

It's just Copper Wire.  There is no difference in how they work as conductors for AC or DC.  Just AC is more ubiquitous in Household use, so these cords are available at much cheaper prices.

Of course, I still need to avoid shorting the fucking battery system with whatever wiring I use.

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Title: Re: Electrical Wire Pricing
Post by: Surly1 on July 20, 2014, 04:47:22 AM

I can color code the two wires with electrical tape.

It's just Copper Wire.  There is no difference in how they work as conductors for AC or DC.  Just AC is more ubiquitous in Household use, so these cords are available at much cheaper prices.

Of course, I still need to avoid shorting the fucking battery system with whatever wiring I use.

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Well, there's that.

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Unplugging DC Without Getting Shocked (http://sourcetech411.com/2014/03/unplugging-dc-without-getting-shocked/)
Title: Re: E-Wheelz: Spare Parts
Post by: RE on July 21, 2014, 11:43:20 PM
Good Newz: The Off Board Charging port ordered from Monster Scooters has SHIPPED.

Bad Newz:  As of yet, the really BIG order of Spare Parts from House of Scooters has not yet shipped.

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3 pieces of Good Newz today.

First, the Off-Board Charging Adapter ARRIVED, I can now surreptitiously charge my battery pack anywhere I plug in my laptop without having to roll the EWz into the extablishment.

Second, the 10 10 gauge Quick Disconnects I ordered from a FL electrical supplier shipped.

Third, the House of Scooters got back to me on the BIG SPARE PARTS order, the hold up apparently was the Knobby Tires I ordered, which are on back order.  I told them to substitute another set of street tires, since Off Road on this vehicle is not a big use for it.  I'm hoping this ships tomorrow.  I am assuming the biggest item, the rear wheel assembly with motor will be in the order, since the email did not mention this was a problem.

I hope to have the 2nd Battery Pack together within 1-2 weeks.  I talked to my electrician friend, he will do the wiring so I won't electrocute myself or fry the EWz.  Assuming it works right, I will then go ahead with a purchase of 3 14AH SLA Batteries for a 3rd pack. Approximately another $180-200 there.  Total Range with this system, approximately 50 miles, more than I will ever use it for I am sure.  Total cost for the vehicle including all the spare parts would then be around $1200 spent so far.

Next accessory once all this is working is probably the Trailer.  Another $260 for that.  Ka-Ching!

No Bad Newz on the EWz today!

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Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: Eddie on July 22, 2014, 07:32:42 AM
I bought a magazine dedicated to the electric bike/scooter phenomenon. Currie Technologies is apparently still cranking out products. They had two pretty good looking electric bicycles that were reviewed in the mag. I'm guessing they're just at capacity and not too interested in supplying spare parts right now, rather than going out of business.
Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: RE on July 22, 2014, 01:01:36 PM
I bought a magazine dedicated to the electric bike/scooter phenomenon. Currie Technologies is apparently still cranking out products. They had two pretty good looking electric bicycles that were reviewed in the mag. I'm guessing they're just at capacity and not too interested in supplying spare parts right now, rather than going out of business.
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Thats good to hear, but it doesn't explain the unavailability of the Ezip 1000 itself.

Are you thinking of buying one?

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Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: Eddie on July 22, 2014, 03:36:31 PM
I'm interested in an electric assisted bike, just to experiment with. They have some rather well thought out bad-ass motorcycles too, but they're extremely expensive and not practical given my usual routes, as you know.
Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: RE on July 22, 2014, 11:28:40 PM
I'm interested in an electric assisted bike, just to experiment with. They have some rather well thought out bad-ass motorcycles too, but they're extremely expensive and not practical given my usual routes, as you know.

Probably one of the Kits you suggested would work well as an experiment, given your mechanical inclination and experience with your PV system.

Another idea would be to buy some Parts like the Rear Wheel Assembly & Motor and perhaps make a Utility cart using this as the Driver for it.

I agree the prices being asked for full scale Electric Motorcycles are ridiculous.  You can however FINANCE the ZeroSR for the low low price of $238/mo

(http://www.zeromotorcycles.com/images/financing/2014-zero-sr.jpg)

Top Speed over 100 mph, up to 171 miles city range!  :icon_mrgreen:  MSRP with the Power Tank, just $19,490!  lol.

For the Toothstead, the most logical Off the Shelf EV would probably be the electric version of the Polaris Ranger that Peter bought.

(http://www.blogcdn.com/green.autoblog.com/media/2010/03/rangerevbb11024x768-1268758124.jpg)

If you really wanna go DIY though, I would suggest getting this 5000W  48V Brushless Electric Motor (http://www.monsterscooterparts.com/48v-5000w-brushless-aircooled-motor-golden.html) (that is 5X the power of the motor on the EWz) and combine it with the transmission from an off road Motocross motorcycle in the 125cc range, get a used one and cannibalize.

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If you need to turn battery volts into serious RPMs, this 48 volt 5000 watt brushless DC motor with air cooling from Golden Motor is the way to go. Not a kid's toy; this big bruiser of an electric motor may be relatively compact, but it delivers all the power you need. The aluminum case with cooling fins and fan is water-resistant for real world use.

This great electric motor can be used on a wide range of green, eco-friendly applications such as electric scooters, go-karts, trikes, and motorcycles. Golden Motor even suggests golf carts, fork lifts, and small electric cars. In other words; if you have a custom project that requires a powerful electric motor, then this beauty may be just the ticket to getting out of the shop and into the sun.

If I was more mechanically inclined and had the tools, I would consider replacing the 1000W motor on the EWz with this.  Of course, you then also need the 48V speed controller, a new Throttle etc.  Motor and controller at $525 each, that is a hefty investment in souping up the EWz.  You would need all new wiring too, much thicker copper to handle the increased current.  My guess though with this system is you could easily achieve speeds of 50mph, and have hill climbing ability at 50% grades, plus towing power of 500 lbs or so.  Much more if you have it geared up.

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Title: All Terrain Electric Skateboardz
Post by: RE on July 26, 2014, 12:06:01 AM
(http://www.sharperimage.com/si/img/productImages/201515/201515-z1.jpg)

MUST....GET...THIS...

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All-Terrain Electric Skateboard Behold the latest breakthrough in the evolution of skate — the All-Terrain Electric Skateboard! This rechargeable, battery-operated board zips from 0 to 19 m.p.h. in 3.5 seconds, over surfaces never before possible, like compact sand, dirt and grass. The rider uses a remote control for acceleration and braking, and can travel 7 to 10 miles on a single charge. For non-powered riding, simply shift into neutral.

No, I don't really plan to buy this EWz.  ::)

However, I am jealous of the feature of being able to shift to Neutral for non-powered riding.  Wish my EWz had that feature.

Also, that Range & Speed is AMAZING for such a small EWz.  This one you could carry onto the Bus or Subway.

Also, this is not the only model or the most High-Tech.  Here is another one that sports a Carbon Fiber Deck and custom LiI Battery that is super thin:

(http://www.evolveskateboards.com/carbon-series/files/stacks_image_614.jpg)

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Both the Carbon Fiber models use our new super-strong and yet light-weight carbon/kevlar deck with our unique concealed Lithium battery design making this series completely unique in the market place.

The Carbon Fiber series is not just another pretty face either, this is the real deal. This carving machine has an amazing range that is unrivalled in the industry. It can carry a rider up to 30 km (18.6 miles) on the all-terrain wheels and up to a whopping 45 km (27.9 miles) on the ABEC 11 wheels in a single charge. Both boards offer awesome power and a very safe ABS braking system allowing complete control over your speed.

If you can't decide which model is better suited for you, why not have both? Simply get a conversion kit and you will be able to switch the setup easily. Now you can have the Street version for the normal roads/footpaths with huge range or you can switch to the All-Terrain setup for riding over pretty much any hard surface with ease!

Now, these suckers are clearly quoting speeds on flat land.  I wonder what their Climbing Ability on Hills is with a 160lb Rider aboard?

Here's an Unboxing Vid from the Boarders on the Fiik Skateboards:

http://www.youtube.com/v/13GZJM0zSxo?feature=player_detailpage

The main issue I have with these devices is the lack of Cargo Capacity.  Other than wearing a Backpack, you really can't carry anything.  However, as a School or Work Commuter tool in combo with Buses and Trains, they are pretty good.

Similar to my EWz, these all work with Motors in the 300W to 1000W range generally speaking.  Also, all the charging hardware is the same as well.  Although the LiI Custom Batteries make for a nicer profile, you are totally dependent basically on the one manufacturer for them.  I like the SLA Batteries better because they are way more ubiquitous and still available, especially here in Alaska.

The fact all these devices run on 1000W motors or less really makes me think you could develop an excellent Hybrid Vehicle with the 5000W motor I mentioned in a prior post and a 5HP Chainsaw motor.  Further Mods, you could run the Chainsaw motor on Propane or CNG as well.  If the frame was Carbon Fiber with a Bubble Fairing in a Recumbent Design, speeds in excess of 60mph certainly possible on smooth surfaces.

No vehicle you might build would be safe on the street with current Carz of course, but as a Utility Vehicle on a SUNstead, very good in conjunction with PV Panels and Wind Turbines.  Your Main Attachment to Industrial Culture on a continuing basis is replacement batteries if you use the device regularly.

If/When Gas becomes hard to come by, we might start to see more of these devices being used, in a Slow Crash scenario.

The Supply Chain problem remains the Big Bear though, along with a functioning Monetary System to buy such things.

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Title: E-Wheelz Spare Battery Project
Post by: RE on September 14, 2014, 12:27:48 AM
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After waiting over a month for my electrician friend to assist me in wiring up the Spare Batteries without Electrocuting myself or Frying the EWz, tonight I decided to fire up my courage and try again myself.  He's got too many projects going and doesn't have time, besides I think he is a little worried himself since he does basically House AC wiring, not DC stuff.  Not that this should be that much different for an Electrician IMHO, but regardless he never seems to be available.

I did finally get all the right sized hardware, wires etc so everything matches up.  So I took the work I did the day I brought down the Thunderbolts from Asgard, cut it up some and did some Splicing to create new connections which IN THEORY should handle the load, assuming my splices were decent.  I also had to adjust the length of some of the wiring because of the way I have to lay these batteries into the battery compartment of the EWz.

After about an hour's worth of cutting and stripping and crimping wires with one Gimp Arm, I finally had a full set of wires which would hook to the Werker 12V 10 AH Batteries to link them in series for 36V AND hook to the Quick Disconnect for the Off Board Charging Adapter.  So I took a deep breath and hooked the wires up, Postive to Negative terminals the way the Physics Textbooks say you should hook Batteries in Series.  Phew, NO EXPLOSIONS, NO SPARKS, NO LIGHTNING!

However, they were not actually HOOKED to anything, the Quick Disconnect was not CONNECTED to anything, not the EWZ or the Charger.  The first BIG STEP was to hook to the Charger, which outputs around 2 amps or so.  My basic fear here was frying the charger, which would not be a total disaster as I could replace it relatively inexpensively, but it would take time if it happenned.  Fortunately no, upon plugging the charger in and then Hooking to the Batteries, it is now showing the Red Diode Light signifying it is Charging the Batteries.  When the light goes GREEN, the Batteries are fully charged.

When I bought these batteries a couple of months ago at Batteries Plus, the clerk told me they were Fully Charged.  However, all batteries discharge gradually even if not connected to stuff, so I did expect they would take a charge now.  About 30 minutes into this, they still appear to be charging.  MAX time for charge should be 6 hours.  So I don't know yet if this is really successfully charging the batteries, only that nothing is exploding so far and it SEEMS like they are.

Assuming I do have a GREEN LIGHT by morning, the REAL TEST comes tomorrow, plugging the new BatSet into the EWz and seeing if it will GO, and for how long.  I am about 80% Confident it will work fine.  If it does work, this will become the Main Set and the Pack that came with the EWz will be the Spare.  Reason for that is the original set has a nice carry bag and can be moved easier than the Rube Goldberg Wire Job on this set.

It's also looking like I will have to move out of the Cabin here soon, as the Owner has a Buyer for it.  So I am looking for a place to live a little closer to the job where I could use the EWz for the Commute reasonably.  I also got the Spare Tires, Spare Motor etc finally, so it is pretty resilient now, assuming of course the new batteries do work.

I'll have an Update when I try them out.  Discharge puts out a lot more Current then the charging cycle, so even if the charge works, it's not clear for sure they will work right powering the EWz.  Should know by late afternoon tomorrow after the Cli-Fi Vidcast.

RE
Title: Re: Electric Bicycles --- Fiik Skateboard
Post by: Eddie on September 14, 2014, 10:41:34 AM
The main issue I have with these devices is the lack of Cargo Capacity.


The main issue I have is serious bodily injury.
Title: E-Wheelz Spare Battery Project: STRIKE TWO!
Post by: RE on September 14, 2014, 08:50:29 PM
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-60lGQDPM1bE/TcSLs8hMe9I/AAAAAAAAAIA/yc3czidWry0/s640/thor-1.jpg)
My future career as a 12V DC Electrical Wizard is off to a slow start.  Thank God I haven't quit my Day Job yet.  LOL.

As I was installing the new batteries into the battery compartment, a couple of the Splices I made with Electrical Tape came loose and I got no Juice from the Battery Pack to the EWz.  At least I did not bring down any Thunderbolts from Asgaard this time though.  ;D  I should have used Butt Splices but I was cheap and didn't buy them figuring electrical tape would be good enough.  So back to Auto Zone today to buy Butt Splices.

I just finished repairing the connections and will try again during the week to hook the new pack up.  I also found a little Picnic Basket that should work temporarily as a spare battery container to test them without actually trying to wedge them into the battery compartment.

After reinstalling the original pack, I took the EWz cruising around Wonderland Park on around a 1 mile loop and did about 8 trips before the RED Low diode started to come on intermittently.  So I think the 10-12 mile estimate for 10 AH batteries is pretty accurate.  The pack is well Broken in now and is delivering power smoothly and reliably.

The new place I am looking at is just 2 miles from the job, and there is a Bike path the whole way there.  I haven't been able yet to have a look at it or get a price on it though.  If I do move there though, I will definitely use the EWz for regular commuting to the job in decent weather.  It shouldn't take more than 10 minutes on the EWz, so even if the temp is slightly below freezing I won't need to heat the battery compartment.  I figure to be able to use it most days between April and November, and a few days in deep winter too if it is as mild as the last two have been.

Total Gas Savings should be around $100/month when I am able to use it most of the time.  That is assuming a $4/gallon price for gas.  It's actually below that now at around $3.85, the lowest it has been in a long time.  Demand Destruction is doing its work.

RE
Title: Re: Electric Bicycles --- Fiik Skateboard
Post by: RE on September 14, 2014, 11:21:56 PM
The main issue I have with these devices is the lack of Cargo Capacity.

The main issue I have is serious bodily injury.

Gimmee a break.  You drive a fucking MOTORCYCLE!

(http://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/article-1260959135106-079b8496000005dc-663640_466x334.jpg)

At a Top Speed of around 30 mph that close to the ground, if you are wearing knee and elbow pads and a Helmet, probably the worst you might suffer is a Broken Limb, and that is only if you are a completely stupid asshole.

If I was riding said Electric Skateboard to work from the new possible RE Digs, I likely would not exceed 20 mph on the Bike Path, and slow considerably if any obstacles or people come into view.

If I was using it in Manhattan to get from my $1M SOHO Condo to my Wall Street Office to do some Pigman Trading on my Bloomberg Terminal, I would be limited in speed I could travel by the various other Pedestrians on the Sidewalk, likely I could not go faster than 10 mph in this situation.  You are not gonna suffer Serious Bodily Injury if you fall off a skateboard at 10 mph unless you are a fucking uncoordinated doofus, in which case you should not be riding such a thing to begin with!  I went down on my motorcycle 2 times at over 40 MPH, once at over 60, and I walked away from all of them.  No knee pads or elbow pads, helmet only.  Dislocated shoulder on the 60 MPH crash, skin lost in a few spots, but still walked away.

The MAIN THING is not to be sharing Road Space with much larger fast moving vehicles.  THAT is what makes you dead meat on such vehicles if you get in a crash.  I happened to luck out in two of my crashes, they SHOULD have killed me.  I was however PROTECTED by the Finger of God.  :icon_sunny:

(http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/3912-Finger-of-God-02.jpg)

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Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: Eddie on September 15, 2014, 05:25:43 AM
Solder the connections and use heat shrink, that's my advice. Anything else is asking for trouble.

Gimmee a break.  You drive a fucking MOTORCYCLE!

And I can ski, wakeboard, kiteboard, rollerskate, and even surf a little if I have a good board and the waves are perfect.....but the simple skateboard, is, in my opinion, one of the most dangerous devices ever thought up by man. My son, who is an expert skateboarder, managed to break his arm twice doing that shit.
Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: Eddie on September 15, 2014, 05:27:47 AM
More E Bike Porn:

http://organictransit.com/ (http://organictransit.com/)

Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: RE on September 15, 2014, 03:51:30 PM
Solder the connections and use heat shrink, that's my advice. Anything else is asking for trouble.

Gimmee a break.  You drive a fucking MOTORCYCLE!

And I can ski, wakeboard, kiteboard, rollerskate, and even surf a little if I have a good board and the waves are perfect.....but the simple skateboard, is, in my opinion, one of the most dangerous devices ever thought up by man. My son, who is an expert skateboarder, managed to break his arm twice doing that shit.

This is a "Gunz don't Kill People, People Kill People" issue.

The problem is not that Skateboards are inherently dangerous, the problem is the demographic of people who ride them, AKA teenage boys completely lacking CFS.

Here's a great idea, ride a skateboard down cement steps!

http://www.youtube.com/v/96Xn4ofJ-mc?feature=player_detailpage

Not good enough?  Add backflips!

http://www.youtube.com/v/7LlurOGOCOU?feature=player_detailpage

Generally, these folks deserve Darwin Awards. ::)

RE
Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: RE on September 15, 2014, 03:58:09 PM
More E Bike Porn:

http://organictransit.com/ (http://organictransit.com/)

Very cool, except I don't think I could get away with riding it on the Bike Paths.  It would be good on the Toothstead though to go with your Solar PV system.

The main improvements I would like is the same unit I have with Aluminum frame so it's lighter, a 5000 W motor instead of the 1000 W one, a clutch  to disengage the motor to freewheel push it and the 8 speed Gearbox they sell at organic transport.

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Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: Eddie on September 15, 2014, 07:14:03 PM
I think this thing would be cool for real hauling, if you gave it electric assist. The Pedal Pick-up, they call it.

http://www.pedicab.com/pedicabs-pedal-pickup-pedicab.html (http://www.pedicab.com/pedicabs-pedal-pickup-pedicab.html)

The best motor set-up would be this one, probably.

http://www.electricrider.com/hub-motors-for-pedicabs-and-rickshaws-s/1873.htm (http://www.electricrider.com/hub-motors-for-pedicabs-and-rickshaws-s/1873.htm)
Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: Petty Tyrant on September 15, 2014, 08:06:39 PM
 Im thinking Cliff Richard, Xanadu, or Patrick Swayze rollerdisco. Anyway youre missing the point of what makes razor scooters and regular skateboards wanted to be banned by the college of orthopaedic surgeons. That is the 1.5 inch high little wheels that cause vehicle to stop dead when they hit a garden hose or pebble and the jockey to keep going. The electric scooter and skateboards shown above have much larger pneumatic tyres that dont slingshot you off.

Eddie skating in the 70s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vprZhrFNL_U (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vprZhrFNL_U)


Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: Eddie on September 15, 2014, 08:24:13 PM
We had rollerblades at one point, the ones with brakes. The missus was much better on skates than I was.

We did once have a three wheel big tired longboard (two in front, one in back) that turned when you tilted the deck. It was the kid's, but I once rode it in the park behind one of my smaller kites. I always wanted to try an off-road longboard, but they're pricey as hell, even without the electric motor.
Title: Re: E-Wheelz Spare Battery Project: Roy Hobbes RE hits a 12V Homerun!
Post by: RE on September 15, 2014, 10:13:27 PM
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-60lGQDPM1bE/TcSLs8hMe9I/AAAAAAAAAIA/yc3czidWry0/s640/thor-1.jpg)


2 out with a Full Count in the Bottom of the 9th with the Bases Loaded behind by 3 runs, Roy Hobbes RE steps up to the 12V Plate...

http://www.youtube.com/v/i94ldGNNSQ0?feature=player_detailpage

Hobbes did it!

The new Splices held together and when I plugged the new Bat Set in this time, I got the Green Fully Charged light on the EWz, and when I turned the Throttle, the rear wheel turned!  So it works!

I didn't have time today to take it for a full Test Drive with the new Bat Set, that will probably have to wait until next weekend.

Eddie is right, the best way to do this would be Solder and Shrink wrap, but these No Solder Crimping Splices are SUPPOSED to WORK, and I spent $30 on the damn Crimping Tool!  It seems to be pretty safe from short circuits, and the splices seem strong, I tugged on them some to check.

The other Good Newz for the day is that it looks good for getting the new RE Digs.  I went over and got a look at the place, which they are renovating.  It's in an older apartment complex in Palmer.  1 Bedroom, slightly larger than the space in the Cabin for my Preps.  Better Security from Gas Siphoners, the place has Security Cameras on the Parking lot, and I get a Covered Carport with an Electric Plug-In for one of my Gas Guzzlers.  I made the application and they are doing a Credit and Background check, which hopefully I will pass.

It's a Ground Floor unit, so I will be able to drive the EWz right into the apartment without having to carry it up steps.  So it will stay nice and warm on Cold Winter Nights while recharging.  Also can drive it straight into the workplace and recharge there as well, so even in below freezing weather it should be good for the 2 mile commute.  I can always add a Microwaveble Gel Heating Pack for battery compartment heat if necessary.  Long as the Mat Valley has electricity, I am very Resilient now.  Even without general electricity, I have my generator on board the Bugout Machine, and I will probably buy a small portable one also.  Also could deploy the Solar PV Panels if necessary.

Besides this, the complex is right next door to a 3 Bears Food Warehouse  so shopping trips can be done on the EWz also now.  I barely will need to use the Carz at all!  :icon_sunny:

Should know in a few days if I got the place or not.  If so, I will move as soon as the Renovations are done, probably around October 1st.

The double Bat Set arrangement pretty much gets me everywhere I generally travel around the Mat Valley, but I may go for a third set also.

Final Good Newz for the day is the Alaska payout to residents from the Permanent Fund was announced, it's the BIGGEST ever at $1900!  If you are married with 2 kidz you would get $7600 Benny from Alaska Oil this year!  No idea how much longer this Bonus for living up here will last, but it will pay all my moving expenses this year!  :icon_sunny:

RE
Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: K-Dog on September 15, 2014, 11:55:17 PM

That is one Kick Ass Electric Bike

(http://www.electricbike.com/wp-content/flagallery/stealth-bomber/stealth_bomber-1.jpg)

It looks good but what's inside it?

I like the eight inch disk brakes.  Some serious stopping power. 

I have one on my experimental too.  I've experimented with electric bikes and discovered some interesting things out about them.

I've three hub motors like this.

(http://chasingthesquirrel.com/pics/whiteWheel.png)

This one I've not used.  I bought it used fifty bucks and rebuilt it.  Replaced hall effect sensors, scrubbed out corrosion, it had been left out in the rain, and replaced bearings.  I found the ones that come in these motors not so good.  I like Japanese bearings better.  Tested the wheel out and it is ready to go. 

The one following is on the front end of my experimental bike.  This one I've put many miles on using the stock motor controller included with the motor when I bought it.  I learned what I needed to know to do a way better job than what exists out there anywhere now.  I can double the range without adding batteries and all I have to do is drive the motor properly.

(http://chasingthesquirrel.com/pics/greenWheel.png)

Below is an experimental motor drive I built that gives far better control over the hub motor than its stock controller.  I built it as a proof of concept for some control algorithms which I've invented.  It drives my third motor built into a wheel on a slick dyno which I made from parts cannibalized from a bicycle exercise machine.  The other side of the circuit board also has many parts.

(http://chasingthesquirrel.com/pics/controller.png)

The next step would be to rebuild my proprietary controller for field trials.  Right now my controller works great but it needs some safety features.  If the 'C' code in my controller goes out into the weeds it can lock up the wheel.  The first time it happened it was something.  Had my captive wheel spinning about sixty miles an hour off a power supply.  Suddenly it stopped dead making a sound like a pinball machine ball hitting the pinball machine overglass but a bit louder.  No damage and safety features would not be hard to add. 

Without them a test pilot could get launched over the handlebars and I've had the experimental up to 40 mph.  The experimental is built on a rugged Surly 'Long Hall Trucker' frame on which I welded a rear disk brake mount.  Managed to do it without melting into the frame stay.  A perfect job exactly in the right place.  I made an alignment tool to hold the mounting bracket in exact position while I welded it on.

I say 'the next step' because the project needs money.  Been on hold for a while.  Maybe I should do a Kickstarter thing.  Ideally where the project would go is to make very conventional looking bikes with my superb battery enhancing algorithms only with smaller hub motors.  The ones I have are fine for development on my experimental but they can put out 1 1/2 H.P.  way more than a human can do.  I don't even think one-ball could do that. 

My product vision is something that matches the power that an operator puts out.  My bike would ride normally but you would be twice as strong on it over an unmotorised equivalent.  No throttle.  First a commuter and then a cargo version.

IMHO RE, what you have been posting are not bikes at all.  They really don't deserve the name.  You have been posting electric scooters.  Some are obviously junk. 

My vision is not to replace the bicycle rider with a sedentary cheese-doodle eating driver. 

(http://www.islandbreath.org/2009Year/2009-08/090801short13th.jpg)

Instead I'd enhance peoples natural abilities.  Exercise is good and with a K-Dog electric bike you can get fit without working up a sweat.  Double range again using fifty-fifty human power.  Less than double your range if your bionic ratio is set greater than one to one. 

My experimental has a standard chain drive for human muscle power.  Wide range high quality mountain bike gearing on the rear with oversized dual front sprockets giving 18 total gear ratios.  I'd add an even larger front sprockets on the next rebuild if I can find them .  If the next rebuild ever happens that is.  I have 50 / 39 teeth for the front sprockets now. I'd like perhaps 65 / 54 teeth on front or something like that.  With 65 teeth on the front and the 11 on the back I have now.  In high gear and with my legs winding out I'd be feeling the wind in my ears.

I should take more pictures and make a real blog posting out this.



Regarding batteries:

"Lithium-ion batteries age (http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/everyday-tech/lithium-ion-battery2.htm). They only last two to three years, even if they are sitting on a shelf unused. So do not "avoid using" the battery with the thought that the battery pack will last five years. It won't. Also, if you are buying a new battery pack, you want to make sure it really is new. If it has been sitting on a shelf in the store for a year, it won't last very long. Manufacturing dates are important."

Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: RE on September 16, 2014, 12:18:34 AM

That is one Kick Ass Electric Bike

(http://www.electricbike.com/wp-content/flagallery/stealth-bomber/stealth_bomber-1.jpg)

It looks good but what's inside it?

UB put up the STEALTH Bike a while back as Top of the Line EWz.

Its main problem?  A $10,000 Price Tag.  ::)

Yes, my EWz is a SCOOTER, not a BIKE, but I am keeping all Electric small transport together in this thread.  Also included are Electric Skateboards.  Eddie added a 3-wheeler today which nearly reaches Car category.  ATV vehicles like the Polaris EV are also included here in this thread so far.

Far as my Currie E-zip 1000 being "Junk", so far I have not found that to be true.  For its Pricetag at $550 when I bought it, it is quite solidly built.  A replacement BatSet by itself cost me $150, so the actual Scooter Price is only $400.  The Spare Rear Wheel Assembly with Motor I bought cost $225.  So the whole rest of the unit, the frame, brake levers, throttle etc is coming in at $175.  Try putting together anything that cheap even DIY!  Cheap because it's Made in China, but overall the tech is so simple that even the Chinese can't screw it up too bad.

Granted though, your work published in this post is way more advanced and you are certainly :hi: as a contributor to the thread!

RE
Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: K-Dog on September 16, 2014, 01:19:20 AM
The Currie E-zip looks good.  Has a shock absorbing fork too, like that.

I think a real quality product could be put out for about  $1500.  Batteries cost and I'd like to see a quality cro-molly steel frame in a final version.  Bike shop quality components all around; not like what you'd find on a hundred dollar big-box bike.  Those things have frame tubes which have been compared to gas pipe.  The added weigh of the motor and batteries with enhanced performance from extra power requires a strong frame.  Aluminium can fail catastrophically.  I prefer steel.

Low cost offerings may use lead acid batteries.  Heavy, they don't give good range and are weak in cold.  They can be kept warm but that’s hard to do on a bike.

A pontification regarding lead acid batteries and cars:

While not so good in a bike lead acid batteries can be recycled.  Tesla style performance in a car could not be achieved but they could give very adequate performance in e-cars for most people.  Charge time and limited range would require trip planning and that would mean much fuel saved across the nation.  All technology would be off the shelf and costs would be no more, perhaps even less than current gas or diesel powered cars.  Carbon footprints would be way down because of lifestyle changes resulting from only slightly less convenience and ability.  The big advantage is that people in the future would still be able to drive.

That would matter to a country which desired a future.  But it could only happen in a country were such a switch were planned and encouraged by policy.  America is in no way set up for such a challenge and our politicians are not motivated to do the public good.  Going with old school technology which works is not a tenant of our religion of progress where simply accomplishing a task differently does not matter unless it is done better, faster and cheaper.  A bit slower and with less range, can't have that!  Another problem is that electric cars can be built which would not wear out.  Car builders don't like that as it inter-fears with their god given right to be car builders forever.  As it is written.
Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: RE on September 16, 2014, 01:36:35 AM
While not so good in a bike lead acid batteries can be recycled.

I would certainly like a good Li-I polymer BatSet for the EWz, the problem is getting it here to Alaska.  You can't air ship these batteries, and the local Battery Retailer Batteries & Bulbs won't stock them because they are not U/L Approved.  So to get them up here you have to do the same kind of kludge I used to get the Scooter up here, which is to ship to a location in the Lower 48, then Barge it up or bring with you on a Ferry Ride on the water route from Bellevue WA to Whittier. I have friends who pull this stunt once or twice a year, so next time I will try to ship up a Li-I replacement set.

The advantage of the Lead-Acid system is there are SOOOO many Car Batteries that can be repurposed for this with a bit of recycling and reformatting.  In any event, for my purposes, the SLA batteries are sufficient and available.

Far as frame goes, steel is more resilient than aluminum, and long as I don't have to lift and carry the scooter up stairs, steel is probably better.  Ideally though, for MAX performance I think a Carbon Fiber frame would be great with Li-I batteries.  Probably could cut the total weight to 1/3 of the current weight with similar total hauling capacity.

With proper gearing, no issues whatsoever getting these things moving at 60mph if you wanted to, but it would not be too safe.  I'm not looking for much more speed, more important is the range, which is all about battery storage.  100 mile range that could get me to Anchorage and back would be amazing.

RE
Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: Eddie on September 16, 2014, 05:27:02 AM
Below is an experimental motor drive I built that gives far better control over the hub motor than its stock controller.  I built it as a proof of concept for some control algorithms which I've invented.  It drives my third motor built into a wheel on a slick dyno which I made from parts cannibalized from a bicycle exercise machine.  The other side of the circuit board also has many parts.

I have absolutely no knowledge of how the hub motors or the controllers work, and I'd love a blog article or some reading links to learn something about this tech.

And since you obviously have a higher level skill set working than anybody here except roamer, who isn't around too much, I'll mention something else I've have on my tech learning wish list.

I'd like to understand the basics of charge control so I could build some kind of fairly low tech solar charge controller, and I'd like to know more about how they work, and how inverters work. Not necessarily planning on building either one, but I'd like to know how to do more than plug and play.

Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: K-Dog on September 16, 2014, 02:05:24 PM

I would certainly like a good Li-I polymer BatSet for the EWz, the problem is getting it here to Alaska.  You can't air ship these batteries, and the local Battery Retailer Batteries & Bulbs won't stock them because they are not U/L Approved.  So to get them up here you have to do the same kind of kludge I used to get the Scooter up here, which is to ship to a location in the Lower 48, then Barge it up or bring with you on a Ferry Ride on the water route from Bellevue WA to Whittier.
RE

The ferry still leaves from Seattle.  Bellevue may become a sea port in a few hundred years but the sea level has to rise in Tacoma's Commencement Bay enough to flood the Kent / Auburn valley up through and over the Renton lowlands.  Then Lake Washington will become part of the sea and a channel could be dredged through deep enough for ferries.  But Seattle would still be accessible by a northern land bridge.  Sort of like an upside down San Francisco.  Assuming there is not a total breakdown in cultural continuity it would remain the seaport. 

Li-I batteries when shorting internally can explode in a positive feedback loop of released energy.  That is why they are on the no-fly list.  They can be terrorists without a cause.  My experimental electric bike will use Ni-Mh batteries on its next incarnation.  I bought them already and they have been sitting around for a long time lonely and neglected.  They will give an adequate range if they are still good.  So far my bike has used small sealed lead acid batteries chained together for higher voltage.  In my testing I don't need range and I've not concentrated on the battery end of things.   


The advantage of the Lead-Acid system is there are SOOOO many Car Batteries that can be re-purposed for this with a bit of recycling and reformatting.  In any event, for my purposes, the SLA batteries are sufficient and available.
RE

Pick up trucks have been converted with lead acid batteries in and under the bed.  Heavy, a few batteries are usually placed under the hood to help balance the load out.  Compared to gas and diesel engines electric motors are small and efficient so there is room for a few.  Done right this kind of arrangement can get a forty mile range but old car batteries are not used.  They would be recycled into deep cycle golf cart type batteries where dimensions and internal construction is optimised to maximize deep discharge and cycle count.  Overall these batteries are of the same size and typically between twenty or thirty might be used.  Internal construction of a car battery is optimised to give very high currents for only short bursts and these batteries are not commonly drained when engines work right.  High currents for what a starter needs only.  Radios and electronic devices drain such a large battery so lightly the differences in construction is normally irrelevant.

Far as frame goes, steel is more resilient than aluminum, and long as I don't have to lift and carry the scooter up stairs, steel is probably better.  Ideally though, for MAX[ performance I think a Carbon Fiber frame would be great with Li-I batteries.  Probably could cut the total weight to 1/3 of the current weight with similar total hauling capacity.RE

You know you will be over the deep end when you look to save weight by replacing nuts and bolts with titanium equivalents.

With proper gearing, no issues whatsoever getting these things moving at 60mph if you wanted to, but it would not be too safe.  I'm not looking for much more speed, more important is the range, which is all about battery storage.  100 mile range that could get me to Anchorage and back would be amazing.RE

Going 60 you can do but not for far.  You would be like a cheetah on the savannah.  Huge bursts of speed but you peter out quick and have to recharge under a tree.  I saw a You-Tube video where a guy mounted, if I recall right, two car battery on a bike frame with two winch motors.  One on each side of where the pedals used to be.  The video was shot at a racetrack where he did a quarter mile.  If I remember right he got to about 70 miles an hour.

Hundred mile range would be amazing, but impossible.  Grasping why and you can make mincemeat of cornucopians  :evil4: if you can keep them from changing the subject or playing dumb long enough.

All batteries produce electricity as the result of chemical change.  If batteries are made rechargeable battery chemistry must be gentle enough that it can be reversed.  This ease of reversibility means that relative to non-reversible chemical changes you are never going to get as much power per weight in a reversible change, a rare animal in the chemical world, as you would otherwise.  Batteries used for transportation will always be bigger and have far less power per weight than the best possible solution from a performance point of view.  That being a gas tank.


I have absolutely no knowledge of how the hub motors or the controllers work, and I'd love a blog article or some reading links to learn something about this tech.


I'll expand my comment into a blog article and add a description about how the motor works.  And I'll explain why paying attention to how the motor is driven is important.  Mine are synchronous DC motors.  The one on the rear wheel of the "That is one Kick Ass Electric Bike" is not if I'm right.  I think that one is a Currie hub.


I'd like to understand the basics of charge control so I could build some kind of fairly low tech solar charge controller, and I'd like to know more about how they work, and how inverters work. Not necessarily planning on building either one, but I'd like to know how to do more than plug and play.


I can do that.  But I'll let it stew in my brain for a while on how to easily explain the basics so anyone can understand.  That might wind up being another blog article to do it right.  The basics of solar power and how it works with fun facts to delight the fancy of all. 

An inverter is basically a DC to DC converter with output switched at the appropriate frequency.  A short answer that does not help much right now I realize.  What kind of batteries do you wish to charge control?  Different batteries have different schemes.

Now I'm up to two blog articles and I still have a story to finish.  That's enough.


Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: MKing on September 16, 2014, 02:44:28 PM
  I'm not looking for much more speed, more important is the range, which is all about battery storage.  100 mile range that could get me to Anchorage and back would be amazing.

RE

On Highway 1? Seriously? On the equivalent of a skateboard with steering stem?

Having owned a motorcycle before, you are familiar with the wind blast from larger vehicles going in the same direction. With bigger wheels you at least have angular momentum on your side, with mini wheels...yikes. Don't forget to wear a helmet and some decent leather tracksuit for what happens next.

I recommend Dainese.

(http://www.mcas.com.au/products/09192aeee2.jpg)

 
Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: jdwheeler42 on September 16, 2014, 03:09:37 PM
"Lithium-ion batteries age (http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/everyday-tech/lithium-ion-battery2.htm). They only last two to three years, even if they are sitting on a shelf unused. So do not "avoid using" the battery with the thought that the battery pack will last five years. It won't. Also, if you are buying a new battery pack, you want to make sure it really is new. If it has been sitting on a shelf in the store for a year, it won't last very long. Manufacturing dates are important."
It's actually cosmic radiation which ages batteries.  So, in theory, you could put them in a lead-lined container and they should last much, much longer.
Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: Eddie on September 16, 2014, 03:14:57 PM
What kind of batteries do you wish to charge control?

For now, the short answer would be golf cart batteries. Last spring I built a (barely) portable solar PV array, which has been up and charging two 200 Ah golf cart batteries (6V wired in series) since April, when RE and some of the other diners came down to visit. It's a nominal 360W, 12V system with an MPPT charge controller and a 300W Morningstar inverter. I learned a lot, and I intend to build a bigger system..been collecting components.

I also have a couple of wind generators that I don't have up yet.

The thing is that I figured out that I can build a wind generator, for instance, with salvage parts, pretty much under any conditions. But not having a good background in electricity and electronics, charge controllers and inverters are just black boxes to me that either work or don't work, and I couldn't build one any more than I could build my own cell phone. So I wish I knew at least a little bit more about how they work.

I do have one boat motor (a Torqueedo) that has a Li-Ion battery. They say to store it at half charge if it isn't being used regularly. Not sure why that is..another question I have.

I know you're probably busy as hell, but those topics...and anything about electric bikes and vehicles is of interest to me. I recently missed out on a good chance to buy a converted Nissan pick-up truck that had 25 golf cart batteries. It was for sale because somebody forgot to put it on charge and let the batteries all sulfate out, so it needed new ones. Would have been a great one to fool around with. I still have my eye out for a nice conversion...but  I'm about to get a Volt, too, for my commuter car.

And por favor...a link to your blog.
Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: RE on September 16, 2014, 03:28:10 PM

On Highway 1? Seriously? On the equivalent of a skateboard with steering stem?

I am talking for after the ICE vehicles are off the road when I'll just be sharing with cyclists, horse& buggies and pedestrians.

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Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: K-Dog on September 16, 2014, 04:53:09 PM
@Eddie

Ok, lead acid batteries are easy.  I have a car battery in my garage I keep on 24 -7.  The reason it is easy is because lead-acid batteries unlike other common battery types employ voltage control.  To a 12 volt battery all one has to do is apply a fixed current limited 13.8 volt supply.  Fixed means you don't have control over the voltage.  Disconnected and measured it will be 13.8 volts.  I'd have to look in a book I have to tell you if the 13.8 volts needs to be adjusted for temperature.  Where I live it is not a consideration and the current limit I describe ahead probably adjusts for it.  6 V batteries would be charged with a 6.9 volt supply.

An uncharged lead acid battery will have a voltage lower than 13.8 volts.  As the initial load is below the 13.8 volts the supply current will limit.  As the current approaches a maximum the voltage at the charger output will naturally droop to match the battery load voltage.

In this the initial state, an essentially constant current charges the battery.  As full charge is approached voltage rises and current into the battery becomes less.  Eventually 13.8 volts is reached and only a very small non-destructive current flows through the battery.  A trickle charge which keeps the battery fully charged.  This is good, lead acid batteries like to be fully charged when not in use.  Lead acid, like all batteries except for Li-I loose charge with time.  A charger as described does the job of maintaining full charge and is easy to build from a technical point of view.

A consideration regarding photovoltaics might be how the 13.8 or 6.9 volts is generated from the panels.  If I were designing one I'd have it optimised for sunlight conditions of course but I'd still want it to be able to work at low light intensities.  Keep that trickle charge flowing as long as possible.  I imagine most DC to DC converters simply become idle at certain light thresholds.  I'd have to look into it.  I don't know what's out there for solar panel harvesting equipment.  Building such equipment would be fun.

Of course in a static environment Edison Cells (http://www.noonco.com/edison/) are the dream.

I have a front end web page at   http://chasingthesquirrel.com/ (http://chasingthesquirrel.com/)   (that's what dogs do) from which my blogspot can be reached.  Among other places you can also get to the doomstead from my front end. 

When I get to writing about the bike project and an intro to solar energy or whatever, I'll post them at the blogspot site.

But for now, today, the only things I'll be writing on are some job applications.  If you see me again today, I'm being bad.
Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: MKing on September 16, 2014, 05:09:43 PM

On Highway 1? Seriously? On the equivalent of a skateboard with steering stem?

I am talking for after the ICE vehicles are off the road when I'll just be sharing with cyclists, horse& buggies and pedestrians.

RE

Well, in that case you have no need to worry then, because this scenario won't be popping up while you are still alive.

But zipping along at 60mph in your scenario the issue will probably be some oxen-drawn cart flinching from noise or something and you impacting a side of beef at high speed. Fortunate then that it won't happen in your lifetime.

Highway 1 would be more than I would want to tackle on my 40mph scooter, Alaskans don't demonstrate much more in the wave of driving skills than Texans, giving either of them too much closing speed on a road like Highway 1 is just asking for trouble.
Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: RE on September 16, 2014, 09:42:19 PM
Well, in that case you have no need to worry then, because this scenario won't be popping up while you are still alive.

If that is the case, I wouldn't drive the EWz to Anchorage, I just drive my Mazda.  LOL.

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Title: Golf Cart Batteries- 100 AH
Post by: RE on September 16, 2014, 10:25:54 PM
Eddie mentioned Golf Cart batteries, which should work fine with the EWz.  So I looked around to see what is available here.

(http://www.batteryclerk.com/assets/images/products/sla/ajc-d100s.jpg)

This AJC SLA battery is rated for 12V 100 AH.  Currently on sale from Battery Clerk for $179 each.  So $537 for 3.

The current pack at 10AH goes 10-12 miles.  So a pack with these batteries would make the 100-120 mile range.

I would need to have a Mount installed over the rear wheel or perhaps vertical with a seat on top of it that would fit in the seat socket.  Another possibility is to just put them on the standing bed and install Footpegs to put your feet on instead.  That would provide the best weight distribution down low and even across both wheels.

The added weight would reduce total cargo capacity probably by around 30 lbs.

I probably can get Batteries and Bulbs to stock these since they are U/L approved.

I will consider this as an Upgrade next year if the EWz is still looking solid.

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Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: K-Dog on September 16, 2014, 10:53:32 PM
Some manufacturers of lead acid batteries make use of the improved performance at warmer temperatures and specify the batteries at a toasty 27°C (80°F).  Cold temperature increases the internal resistance and diminishes the capacity. Batteries that would provide 100 percent capacity at 27°C (80°F) will typically deliver only 50 percent at –18°C (0°F). (http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/discharging_at_high_and_low_temperatures)

Three of those batteries together will weigh 192 pounds.  You will need more because the spec sheet (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CDsQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fupgi.com%2FThemes%2Fleanandgreen%2Fimages%2FUPG%2FProductDownloads%2F45978.pdf&ei=_R8ZVLGFOsLJigLO94DgCg&usg=AFQjCNEeA-RyKYT5N1KMr6YJHqXN-uCOMA&sig2=RwOG-HGJZTczBLcWgx4ZXg&bvm=bv.75558745,d.cGE) derates them to 65% at 5 degrees F.  Your rolling resistance will be up so your power drain per mile will be greater.  What percent weight does that add to your rig?

That first spec sheet is a close match, this one (http://www.batteryclerk.com/assets/documents/BatteryClerk-AJC-Battery-D100S.pdf) matches your battery.  I had trouble finding it at first.
Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: RE on September 16, 2014, 11:11:48 PM

Three of those batteries together will weigh 192 pounds.  You will need more because the spec sheet (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CDsQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fupgi.com%2FThemes%2Fleanandgreen%2Fimages%2FUPG%2FProductDownloads%2F45978.pdf&ei=_R8ZVLGFOsLJigLO94DgCg&usg=AFQjCNEeA-RyKYT5N1KMr6YJHqXN-uCOMA&sig2=RwOG-HGJZTczBLcWgx4ZXg&bvm=bv.75558745,d.cGE) derates them to 65% at 5 degrees F.  Your rolling resistance will be up so your power drain per mile will be greater.  What percent weight does that add to your rig?

I didn't look up the Spec Sheet myself, just guessed.  Big Mistake.

That is way more weight than I estimated and exceeds the rating for the Scooter unless I lose about 50 lbs.  LOL.  The way around that is to drop the batteries on a trailer instead, but as you mention, increased rolling resistance then would decrease the total mileage possible.  Also without Gearing, the 1000W motor would be overwhelmed pulling that much weight even up small inclines.

I think I have to quit on the idea of getting 100 mile range on pure electric.  30-40 miles is probably max.

My other idea is to Hybridize it utilizing a 3HP Chainsaw Motor, but that will require some access to gas to work.

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Title: Re: Golf Cart Batteries- 100 AH
Post by: RE on September 16, 2014, 11:47:45 PM
The 100 Mile mark is achievable with Li-I Batteries.

(http://www.lithiumion-batteries.com/uploads/files/9366/xlarge/12v%20100ah%20lithium%20ion%20battery.jpg)

Comes in at 28 lbs, about double the current battery weight for the SLA batteries, so only ~42 lbs difference.

Why will I not go this route? PRICE!

$1400 per battery for X3 for 3 of them, $4200!

Besides, can't get them up here in Alaska anyhow.

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Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: K-Dog on September 17, 2014, 09:39:43 PM
Price and you don't know how may cycles you would get from them before you needed to spend another $4200.  In EV conversions it is important to consider battery depreciation in miles per dollar estimates.  If you get 500 cycles from them your cost per mile is  (500)* (100) / 4200 which works out to 12 cents a mile just for battery depreciation.
Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: RE on September 17, 2014, 11:52:10 PM
Price and you don't know how may cycles you would get from them before you needed to spend another $4200.  In EV conversions it is important to consider battery depreciation in miles per dollar estimates.  If you get 500 cycles from them your cost per mile is  (500)* (100) / 4200 which works out to 12 cents a mile just for battery depreciation.

Indeed that is a big issue not really discussed much with the EVs.

Frankly, I think the reason the Leafs and Volts are as cheap as they are is Debt Subsidy, they are likely selling them at a loss, Chinese style.

The exercise in seeing if the EWz could be souped up for a 100 mile range was mostly an intellectual exercise, I couldn't imagine actually travelling so far on it regularly.  At its max speed, you would be on the thing for 8 hours to make it that far on a single charge!

The actual way I envision use of such Scooters is for the "Last Mile" (actually last 5 miles) between Home and a Public Transport station, and between Work and a Public Transport station.

In my situation, to commute to Anchorage, I would ride the EWz to the Wasilla stop of the Alaska Railroad, and because it is so compact simply carry it aboard the train for the ride to Anchorage, then on debarking from the train ride it from the statiion there to wherever it is I was working in Anchorage.

You couldn't do that with any type of EV other than the Folding Scooters and Skateboards, even an Electric Bike is not compact enough for EZ loading onto and off a train or bus.

The Trains and Buses themselves would be Electrified, although here it might be worthwhile to use Coal to drive the trains with a modern version of a Steam Locomotive.  The railroad goes right by the Coal Mine in Healy, so there is plenty there to keep the AK Railroad running for a century probably if it isn't sold to the Chinese.

It would be better if it was a bit lighter, which is why a graphite or aluminum frame and Li-I batteries would be an improvement.  I can carry it up and down stairs even with the one bad arm, but it's a bit of a chore to do it at around 70 lbs.  You could cut that weight in half easily.

A 30 mile range is really as much as you need with such a device.  This is doable with just SLA batteries, and PRICE and AVAILABILITY are very important.  It would be ridiculous to spend $4000 for a battery pack for such a device, and not a whole lot smarter for carz using them either.  It is unlikely advanced batteries will be very available if the fossil fuels are in short supply.  Most Batteries are likely to be recycled from old Car Batteries.

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Title: Re: E-Wheelz Spare Battery Project
Post by: RE on September 28, 2014, 07:36:04 PM
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-60lGQDPM1bE/TcSLs8hMe9I/AAAAAAAAAIA/yc3czidWry0/s640/thor-1.jpg)
OK!

I finally got the new Battset wired AND installed in the battery compartment of the EWz and took it out for Test Drive and Break In for the new batteries.

I went around 10 miles on it before the Low Diode was coming on regularly and quit there.  Probably could have done another couple of miles or so.

I had to redo one of the connection wires which was too short and also had poor connection with the crimp on connector due to my inexperience in my first attempts using this hardware.  I am now much better with it and the connections are very solid.  I am a little sorry now I did not buy the 14 AH batteries, as I think they would JUST fit in the battery compartment.  However, I don't really need the additional range, as the projected use of the EWz for the work commute once I move in to the new RE Digs is only 2 miles, and I can recharge at both ends no problem.

The new Battset purchased locally at Batteries & Bulbs will now be the Main Set I use with the EWz, with the original pack as a Spare.  This because the original pack is much nicer packaged in a carry case and I can keep that one charged up off-board with the adapter I bought when I bought all the Spare Parts.

This is going to cut my personal Carbon Footprint down quite low.  I don't use any lights other than diodes now which I keep charged up off the grid currently but I could use my PV panels for this when necessary.  My only other electrical devices are the Laptop which draws only about 75 Watts, and the refrigerator and freezer.  The cell phone uses negligible power.  The EWz also uses far less electricity than a full size EV car, so my draw on the grid for it is low.  1.6 amp charger for around 6 hours fully charges it up.

I'll probably only need maybe 5 gallons of gas a week max to do shopping trips and other excursions in the Mazda.  I haven't taken any Plane trips to the lower 48 since the Convocation in April, so I am doing OK on my Jet Fuel consumption also.  :icon_sunny:

(http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/RE-Ezip.jpg)

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Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: agelbert on September 28, 2014, 07:46:27 PM
 :emthup: Lucky dog!  I swear I'm not envious!(http://www.u.arizona.edu/~patricia/cute-collection/smileys/lying-smiley.gif)


  (http://cdn.thenextweb.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/2011/08/envy-520x245.jpg)




Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: RE on September 28, 2014, 07:51:55 PM
:emthup: Lucky dog!  I swear I'm not envious!(http://www.u.arizona.edu/~patricia/cute-collection/smileys/lying-smiley.gif)


  (http://cdn.thenextweb.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/2011/08/envy-520x245.jpg)

It's affordable!  Although this model is not currently available, a similar one from Eco-Wheelz is around the same price of $600 or so.

Main thing is you gotta be in the right location in order to use it.  I had to find a place with a Bike Path I could ride it on all the way to work.  It's not safe to drive it out on the roads with the Carz, regardless what is powering them.  They go too much faster and are too much bigger.

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Title: BLACK CAT!
Post by: RE on September 28, 2014, 09:27:11 PM
(http://wallpaper-million.com/Wallpapers/f/Cats/Black-Cat-Superstition-wallpaper_7051.jpg)

I went outside to check on the Recharge of the EWz to see if it was finished yet from today's Test Drive, so I could plug the charger into the Spare Battset.  Still not fully charged yet though.  I have to order another 36V Battery charger so I can charge both sets simultaneously.  The EWz is outside in the rear of the Mazda.

Anyhow, as I opened the door to the Cabin, there was a BLACK CAT on the doorstep!  7 years in this location, I have NEVER had a BLACK CAT at my door when I opened it.

Is this an OMEN?  Is something BIG going to occur tomorrow?  :icon_scratch:

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Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: agelbert on September 28, 2014, 09:36:08 PM
He's coming to collect on our poker game!
 (http://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/1230/6680/original.jpg)
 (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/Banane21.gif)

Cats are smart. Winter is coming. (http://www.chicagonow.com/steve-dales-pet-world/files/2011/09/Happy-cat.jpg)
And raw food is best! Just freeze it for 3 days and any parasites in the meat are goners! Also, never feed the raw gut of an animal to a cat. That's where all the baddies that can hurt them are.  8)

Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: agelbert on September 28, 2014, 09:45:28 PM
Cats are a sign of GOOD FORTUNE!


Here's one that saved its owner's  LIFE!
:emthup: :icon_sunny:

http://www.youtube.com/v/v9_eGg7rD8Y#&fs=1
Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: agelbert on September 28, 2014, 09:54:23 PM
Another Feline Life Saver!

http://www.youtube.com/v/5rQCgPesnHc#&fs=1
Title: Re: E-Wheelz Spare Battery Project
Post by: RE on September 28, 2014, 11:58:38 PM
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-60lGQDPM1bE/TcSLs8hMe9I/AAAAAAAAAIA/yc3czidWry0/s640/thor-1.jpg)
OK #2!!

The New Primary On-Board Battset is fully recharged after just about precisely the 6 hour cycle for complete discharge to full recharge with a 1.6A 36V charger.  I have now moved the charger over to the spare set to get that one fully charged as well.  It should not take so long as it has not been discharged recently, but it has been about a week since I plugged it in so passive discharge I will bet about 1 hour here to get the GREEN light signifying full charge.

UPDATE: Estimate Correct, Spare Set now fully recharged in under 1 hour.

I ordered another 1.6 A charger so I can have one for the Spare Battset and another for the On-Board Battset going simultaneously.

I also looked into getting a more powerful charger, there is a 4.5 A unit that one of the Scooter sites offers but I have to get a Custom Connector for it.  I will wait until after the new second 1.6A unit arrives to order that.  The 4.5A unit will cut the charging time down to roughly 2 hours for a full discharge.  For a drive of a couple of miles, it would charge back up to full in MINUTES!  Stopping for Lunch somewhere and plugging in, I charge up for a further ride.  Cross country is possible this way!

The EWz is now pretty much complete and resilient as my commuter vehicle once I move to the new RE Digs.  Further upgrades next year will be a Trailer and means to have 2nd & 3rd Battsets aboard for quick plug-in once the primary set is fully discharged.  I should have approximately 40 miles range with 3 SLA Battsets fully charged.

In case of an Earthquake around here bigger than the Willow Quake of last week which takes down the Grid, I also now have plenty of stored Electric Juice to run the laptop and my diode lights for at least a week with no recharge, and of course I can recharge with the Generator on board the Bugout Machine.  Its getting cold enough now where refrigeration will not be an issue until late spring.  Of course, if the Grid goes down it is unlikely I can get an Internet Connection even if my laptop has juice.  ::)

Feeling very Resilient tonight and Politically Correct as a Low Carbon Footprint Industrial Society Drone.  :icon_mrgreen:

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Title: AIRWHEEL!
Post by: RE on October 10, 2014, 07:32:11 PM
OK, I HAVE to get one of these (http://www.airwheel.net/x8.html)!

(http://www.theairwheel.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/airwheel-x3-b.jpg)

(http://www.airwheel.net/img/full/Airwheel-2.jpg)

I rode a unicycle back in da old days, so this shouldn't be too hard to master.

A little slower than the EWz, but not by much, and way more portable.

Moving to the new RE Digs next week where EWz commuting will be EZ!  One of these would be Super Cool to ride into work on!  Probably tough to balance on at slow speeds, definitely would be fun to see if I could stay balanced at a slow walking speed for the Parades.  Has decent range and fast recharge time too!

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Title: Re: Electric Bicycles ---Amsterdam
Post by: Eddie on November 08, 2014, 08:43:21 PM
Ran across this.


http://www.theguardian.com/cities/2014/sep/29/amsterdam-e-trikes-revolutionise-local-food-system (http://www.theguardian.com/cities/2014/sep/29/amsterdam-e-trikes-revolutionise-local-food-system)
Title: Re: Electric Bicycles ---Amsterdam
Post by: RE on November 08, 2014, 09:25:10 PM
Ran across this.


http://www.theguardian.com/cities/2014/sep/29/amsterdam-e-trikes-revolutionise-local-food-system (http://www.theguardian.com/cities/2014/sep/29/amsterdam-e-trikes-revolutionise-local-food-system)

I have definitely considered doing a similar thing with my EWz.

Nice to see they are supported by the Rockefeller Foundation.  :icon_sunny:  I will look into getting a Grant for SUN  :icon_sunny: utilizing this concept.

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Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: azozeo on November 27, 2014, 05:53:35 AM
200 mph + bicycle
Races a Ferrari 430

http://www.youtube.com/v/WREyAicJXkM&fs=1

Check out the pilots wild eyed look !
Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: Surly1 on November 27, 2014, 06:43:55 AM
200 mph + bicycle
Races a Ferrari 430

http://www.youtube.com/v/WREyAicJXkM&fs=1

Check out the pilots wild eyed look !

Jesus.

Margin for error = zero.
Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: azozeo on November 27, 2014, 06:57:44 AM
How he ever kept the damn thing stuck to the pavement is beyond my physics comprehension
His new name could have been Scab !
Gotta love the Kevlar n leather bike suit.
Title: Season's First Ewz Cruise!
Post by: RE on March 21, 2015, 10:00:46 PM
(http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/RE-Ezip.jpg)

Spring has ARRIVED on The Last Great Frontier!

It has warmed into the 40s over the last few days, and most of the little snow/ice that was around has melted off, so I unplugged the Ewz and took it out on it's first Beer Run to 3 Bears!  It's only about a mile round trip, and I rode it right into the store and nobody blinked an eye.  I was all ready to give a Sob Story about being disabled, but it wasn't necessary.

I bought a Case of Beer and just dropped it on the floorboard of the Ewz for the trip back, putting my feet on top of it to keep it from sliding off.

I also have a Front Basket and Rear Carrier if I bought some Groceries also, but not on this trip, just the Brewskies.  :icon_sunny:  I don't know how the store management will react if I start zipping around the whole store with it, so I don't wanna push my luck too fast with this.  I'll let them get used to seeing me zip in and out on the Ewz a little while before I try that.

Now, seasonally speaking with the current Climate situation, I can comfortably ride the Ewz for tasks like this from roughly March 15 to around November 15, 8 months of the year.    A little uncomfortably I could ride it year round except for Below Zero days which we had none of this winter.  Long as the snow/ice is fairly packed down, you can ride over it and not slide out because you just don't go that fast.  You can put your feet down for balance and let them slide like Skis across the slippery surfaces.

In terms of Gas, I figure since a big amount of gas is used in the startup at both ends, that probably even though mileage is short at 1 mile, with the stops and starts at intersections and so forth, I probably use $.50 cents of gas with each of these trips in the Mazda, as opposed to maybe $.05 cents in electricity for the Ewz.  I go out about every other day to Shop for something, so this probably saves around $7/month, which is not a lot but if everybody did it this would conserve a lot of fossil fuels!

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-KHDV2lZJ0Us/U2OmHz4axoI/AAAAAAAABvc/IQEaMXY6aMc/s1600/porch%2Blight.jpg)
In any event, it was really cool to make this experiment today, and the Cashier was really jealous, saying she wished she was not on the clock so she could try taking it for a spin.  :icon_sunny:  Just about every time I get on it and cruise around, somebody wants to ask me about it and is fascinated.  Now that I am Retired and don't have to worry about how this will play on the job, I am going to start being more Open about my Doomerism, and start handing out Biz Cards for the Diner and for SUN   :icon_sunny:  around here, and become known as the local Crackpot Doomer!  LOL.

It's about 2 hours since I got back and the Batteries are now Fully Charged again.  The Charger runs around 1.5A, so that is 3 AH of juice.  I'm not sure what that costs precisely, but it can't be very much.  Running an 1100W microwave oven at 120V would draw around 9A, so in 20 minutes of microwaving you would use this much juice.  Anyhow, I will watch my Electric bill over the next few months to see if I can detect exactly how much it costs to run it, but it DEFINITELY is less than keeping your Porch Light on all the time!

(http://www.qldyx.com/images/uploadimg/200532619352447572.jpg)
Title: Re: Season's First Ewz Cruise!
Post by: MKing on March 22, 2015, 07:38:38 AM
It's about 2 hours since I got back and the Batteries are now Fully Charged again.  The Charger runs around 1.5A, so that is 3 AH of juice.  I'm not sure what that costs precisely, but it can't be very much.  Running an 1100W microwave oven at 120V would draw around 9A, so in 20 minutes of microwaving you would use this much juice.  Anyhow, I will watch my Electric bill over the next few months to see if I can detect exactly how much it costs to run it, but it DEFINITELY is less than keeping your Porch Light on all the time!

120V X 1.5A = 180w X 2 hours (at max, it was probably charged before you noticed it) = 0.36 kWh X $0.05/kWh (here locally, not sure what electricity costs in Alaska) = $0.018

There is a reason why some of us use big electrics, and this is one of those reasons. Down with liquid fuels!!!

Title: Ewz Shopping Trip #2
Post by: RE on March 23, 2015, 02:10:37 PM
I took my second trip over to 3 Bears on the Ewz.  Just got back.  :icon_sunny:

Today's trip was to pick up some Eggs and Cranberry Juice.  Still have not even been questioned by the Store Manager at all for cruising around the aisles on the Ewz.  When I get off of it to take something off the shelf I exaggerate my walking issues and shuffle to look really disabled.  ;D  I drive it real slow inside the store, no faster than the 3 wheel electric shopping carts they provide for Disabled people.

This is now Day 3 where I haven't even started up the car.  I can probably get by with using it maybe once a week now.

If I still lived in Manhattan, this would absolutely be the ideal form of transportation if they took the Carz off the roads there.  You could easily get anywhere on Manhattan Island inside an hour, but most people stay inside their own neighborhoods like Greenwich Village or Chelsea or Hell's Kitchen, and you could zip around the neighborhood in a few minutes easily.  No parking issues, you can bring the Ewz right into the Elevator of your apartment building and then right into your apartment.  No worries about vandalism or theft.

For those longer trips, you take the Ewz with you on the Subway to go to Rockaway Beach, or on the LIRR to go out to Fire Island.  Of course, carrying it up and down the stairs of the Subway and Light Rail is a little difficult, it is a bit heavy at around 90 lbs and kind of unwieldy to lift.  I can get it into and out of my car, but trying to carry it up a flight of stairs would be quite hard.  So the train stations would need to be equipped with elevators to make it practical.

Definitely, inside Big Shities Ewz like this in combination with Electric Buses and Light Rail would be a lot more efficient, and also conserve quite a bit of energy.  I don't think it's a permanent solution, because generating enough electricity and manufacturing the batteries etc still consumes a lot of fossil fuels.  However, it would be a good transition mechanism on the way down the hill here.

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Title: Dead Batteries
Post by: RE on April 19, 2015, 03:17:41 PM
As I mentioned in another thread, after 2 months of only moderate usage, the spare BattSet I put together for the EWz basically quit on me.  It's still taking a small charge, but it's got like no power or speed at all, and dies fast.  So today I took this set out and reinstalled the original BattSet, and the EWz appears to now be running full tilt again, at least on a short test drive I just did.

The batteries I bought were Werker Lead-Acid batts that are supposed to be designed for deep discharge and repeated cycles.  However, I am thinking they are not designed to pass out so much current so fast, and that's why they died so quick.

I'd really like to try some Li-I batts, but nobody up here carries them and it's a bitch to try to get them shipped up here because Air Freight doesn't like shipping batteries, they consider them a HazMat.

I'm trying to give my spare set a new lease on life by hooking them individually to a more powerful 12V charger that I have for the Carz, to charge them when the battery dies.  However, they don't seem to be taking too much charge off this either.

Moving forward, I am toying with the idea of getting much larger Deep Cycle Marine Batts and having a larger compartment built for them by a local Welder her that will attach to the back over the rear wheel.  This will add quite a bit of additional weight, but I'm 80 lbs under the designed weight capacity of the EWz of 240 lbs, so there is weight "room" for this.

The other option is to try another set of Werkers, the 14AH ones which I think may JUST squeeze into the battery compartment.  However, at around $60 each for 3 of them, this is another $180 investment.  Given how little I travel around these days,  I can keep enough gas in the car with that amount of money for a year, at least at the current prices and availability.

The real failing with all the EVs as I see it now will be the inability to get decent batteries to keep them running as time goes by here.  Alaska is particularly difficult in this regard, but I think the problem will be true everywhere in a few more years.

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Title: Re: Dead Batteries
Post by: Petty Tyrant on April 19, 2015, 07:11:19 PM
As I mentioned in another thread, after 2 months of only moderate usage, the spare BattSet I put together for the EWz basically quit on me.  It's still taking a small charge, but it's got like no power or speed at all, and dies fast.  So today I took this set out and reinstalled the original BattSet, and the EWz appears to now be running full tilt again, at least on a short test drive I just did.

The batteries I bought were Werker Lead-Acid batts that are supposed to be designed for deep discharge and repeated cycles.  However, I am thinking they are not designed to pass out so much current so fast, and that's why they died so quick.

Lead acids also have to be kept fairly upright, if u lay the scooter down in the back of your car it could mess them up.
Title: Re: Dead Batteries
Post by: RE on April 19, 2015, 07:32:01 PM
As I mentioned in another thread, after 2 months of only moderate usage, the spare BattSet I put together for the EWz basically quit on me.  It's still taking a small charge, but it's got like no power or speed at all, and dies fast.  So today I took this set out and reinstalled the original BattSet, and the EWz appears to now be running full tilt again, at least on a short test drive I just did.

The batteries I bought were Werker Lead-Acid batts that are supposed to be designed for deep discharge and repeated cycles.  However, I am thinking they are not designed to pass out so much current so fast, and that's why they died so quick.

Lead acids also have to be kept fairly upright, if u lay the scooter down in the back of your car it could mess them up.

I was told when sold these batteries that they would function either laying on their side or upright, just not upside down.  They only fit in the battery compartment laying down sideways.  However, I believe this is probably a big part of the problem.

The 14AH model will go in upright, just not sure if I can close the battery compartment, they might be 1/2" too tall or so.
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Title: Cruising the aisles on the EWz!
Post by: RE on April 26, 2015, 01:03:46 AM
I have got all the locals used to seeing me on the EWz, and pitched my Sob Story of Neurological problems at the managers and clerks at 3 Bears enough times now that I felt I could go the Full Monte and cruise the whole store on the EWz today.  :icon_sunny:

It was GREAT!  Nobody batted an eyelash as I cruised the aisles for some eggs and some more Baby Lamb Chops and threw them in the Front Basket.  This is the BEST way to cruise around the big Warehouse style stores!

I also picked up some real nice NY Strip Steaks at $6.99/lb, however I will say the Meat Rack was looking a lot thinner today than normal.  :o

The original BattSet continues to work well here at the moment.  However, I do need to work on having another backup since the Werker SLAs I bought gave up the ghost so fast.  :(

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Title: New Ewz BattSet
Post by: RE on June 12, 2015, 07:00:07 AM
I have been using the Ewz regularly these days for all my trips over to 3 Bears for Food & Beer.  In fact, I almost never drive my carz anymore, and haven't bought a tank of gas in over a month.

Given the current state of my spine and my legs resulting from that, just walking around the 3 Bears Warehouse of Food is a chore.  They let me drive the Ewz right inside the store, so I can do all my shopping easily.

So, I am pretty dependent on the Ewz these days, and don't want it crapping out on me too soon.  A Spare BattSet for it is needed for Resilience.

The spare BattSet I created from Werker 12V SLA batteries crapped out after just a month of moderate usage.  $150 down the toilet on that one. So I went back to the set that came with the Ewz, and it has been working fine for the last 2 months so far.  According to spec, this set should be good for 300 full discharge/charge cycles, but I never do a full discharge/charge.  My trips only use up about 1/3rd of the battery capacity.

I usually only use it every other day for a grocery trip.  So in theory, the current BattSet should last at least 2 years, but I can't be sure of that.  It could die on me any day, and then where would this cripple be?

So, getting a new spare BattSet for it is a priority.  However, 2 problems here.

First, the bad experience with the Werkers turns me off to trying that method again.  I want a legit set of Batts specifically designed for the Ewz.

2nd problem, when I tried to get such a set shipped up here before, I couldn't get any of my orders to take because of shipping issues with batteries.

However, I decided to try again on this and ordered a set off Amazon for $156.  The order apparently took, and the estimated arrival date is between June 18-25.

I have been through this before though, and 2-3 days after ordering have received emails that the order was cancelled, so not out of the woods on this yet.

In the event it does cancel, I will head over to Batteries & Bulbs where I bought the Werkers and see if they can order this set up and get it shipped to them through whatever means they use to get their batteries.

Once I do get the set it increases my resilience substantially, and besides that doubles the range on the Ewz if I carry the spare set charged up on longer trips I don't want to make right now because of concern that the batteries will die on me before I make it home.  So I am crossing my fingers that this BattSet actually arrives.

Will update on this when I either get an email that the order was cancelled or the Batts arrive.

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Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: Eddie on June 12, 2015, 07:52:04 AM
That scooter turned out to be a damn good investment.

 There's been a real highway speed eV motorcycle for sale for 4K here. I was sorely tempted. But I got too much stuff already.
Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: RE on June 12, 2015, 08:31:44 AM
That scooter turned out to be a damn good investment.

FINGER OF GOD at work again!  :icon_sunny:

(http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/3912-Finger-of-God-02.jpg)

Truly amazing that I got this thing when I did, for entirely different reasons.  Without it right now, I would be lost.  It's not coinkidink.  It's just too far off the curve.  WTF buys Electric Scooters when they don't really need one?

I will say that if the majority of the population (including kids going to skule) used these things for typical local trips, we definitely could cut gas usage in half.

Battery production and distribution remains a problem though.

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Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: RE on June 12, 2015, 07:31:39 PM
The Ewz Battset HAS SHIPPED according to Amazon!  :icon_sunny:

Via USPS Standard Shipping Due  June 25.

Latest tracking info:

9:34 AM
Package received by carrier
Van Nuys, CA, US
Carrier: USPS, Tracking #: 9405510200793598734285

USPS must be barging it up.

Next time I am going to try for one of the Li-I Battsets they don't sell up here because they are not U/L approved.  However, this one and the backup should last at least the next 2-3 years the way I am using it.

The whole Ewz situation is so ideal it's incredible given my current situation.

I'm on the ground floor with no stairs to negotiate.  I can drive it right into my entryway, lean it up against the wall and plugin.  I have a Bike Path to ride it on between the Digs and 3 Bears, no traffic to worry about.

In theory, I could drive it all the way into Palmer and back on a single charge, but I don't risk that.  With the spare Battset strapped on the rear carrier, I might at some point, but really I can just throw it in the car for that trip.  Of course, it's not that easy for me to lift it into the car now, but I was able to manage it.

So I'm really not looking for more range on it than I have now.  If Roamer and I go on the Bugout Machine Adventure, it will be useful to ride to the fishing locations and shoot some pics.  This shouldn't be more than a mile or two from where we park the bugout machine.

Good Newz for today!  :icon_sunny:

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Title: Ewz Spare Battset ARRIVES!
Post by: RE on June 29, 2015, 06:05:38 PM
I picked up the New Battset at the Post Office today.   :icon_sunny:

It apparently has been there since June 15!  After I did not receive any delivery notices by the June 25 pickup date listed by Amazon, i finally went to the USPS site to track the package there, and found out there it was at the Post office and would be Returned to Sender if not picked up in 15 Days.

So I messaged there I would Pickup today, 14 Days into it.  Good thing I checked!

Postal Clerk could not tell me why I did not receive a Notice in my Mailbox of attempted delivery.  Also said though it was nto going to be returned tomorrow as a Second notice had not been sent out.  Anyhow, I GOT IT!  :icon_sunny:

I just unboxed it after spending time dealing with the medical/insurance bullshit, and it's Identical to the old Battset including the carrying case which makes it a whole lot easier to deal with than the kludge system I put together with Werker batts, which only lasted a couple of months before burnout.  The original battset is still functioning GREAT after much more usage over the last 3 months.  No sign of wear there yet.

I plugged the new battset in to my spare 36V charger, since it is recommended to have a full charge before using the battset.  It shows to be Fully Charged right out of the box, which surprises me some.

I haven't tested it in the Ewz as of yet, probably tomorrow on that.

UPDATE:  ARRGGHHH!  The reason it shows GREEN on the charger is because no current is flowing!  I just switched it out with the GOOD Battset and it is DEAD!  Now I have to try and return it, and get a new set.

While out and about with the car, I drove over to Alaska Tags & Titles, a DMV contractor here that issues out plates, tags and so forth and got new tags for the Bugout Machine, which I last registered back in 2013.  With old vehicles like this, now here in my neighborhood you can get PERMANENT tags for an extra $25 charge.  Registered FOREVER! So the Bugout machine now has legal tags for as long as I own it and live in this location.

I then stopped by a local fishing supply store and got my Fishing License and Dipnetting license for this year.  Haven't done that in a couple of years now. So, now legal to go haul in a year's worth of Animal Protein.  Still only $25 for a Fishing license for Alaska residents! no Xtra Charge for the Dipnetting license! :icon_sunny:

After that I dropped in for a haircut, so I look semi-presentable again for a while.

Roamer also called, he is back in from his Fast & Meditation Walkabout, is doing some Fishing today on the Susitna River  and will probably drop by tomorrow for more Planning.

OK now over to email to negotiate returning this piece of shit Battset.  ::)

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Title: Re: Ewz Spare Battset ARRIVES!
Post by: RE on June 30, 2015, 02:01:01 PM

UPDATE:  ARRGGHHH!  The reason it shows GREEN on the charger is because no current is flowing!  I just switched it out with the GOOD Battset and it is DEAD!  Now I have to try and return it, and get a new set.

OK, after sending in my complaint letter to Amazon last night, I got a call an hour ago from Scooter Central.  They told me that sometimes the series wiring comes loose in shipping, so I should pull them out of the nylon bag they are encased in and check on this.

In fact it was the case, and in fact also these batteries are basically identical to the Werker batteries I bought a while back and wired together  in series myself.  Their wiring was exactly the same as mine too!  :icon_sunny:

The only difference is the Batt Manufacturer, Scooter Central gets theirs from a local batt manufacturer (they are in CA) as opposed to the Werkers I bought up here at Batteries & Bulbs.  They say these batts are better and very reliable.  Nice to know there are still local batt manfacturers in the FSoA, at least for SLA batts.

I've got the Battset reassembled and now plugged in and it appears to be taking a charge.  I'll wait until I get the Green Light signifying full charge before I switch out the sets and test the new one in the Ewz.

Assuming it works properly, I will leave the new set in a month or so to break it in, see how it holds up.  Then I will switch back to the original set, and maybe rotate every two months or so.

If they perform up to spec, based on how I use the Ewz most of the time, I should get at least 3 years out of these two sets.  However, my bad experience with the Werkers makes me cautious on this.  We'll see.

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Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: Eddie on June 30, 2015, 03:29:57 PM
Nice save.
Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: RE on June 30, 2015, 03:47:12 PM
Nice save.

Thanks!  I'm getting to be a 12V Pro here!  LOL.

Battset now is showing Full Charge, so I may switch them out for a test run today.  Roamer is due over here in a bit though so I will wait until he shows up for the test.

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Title: Ewz: 12V DC to 36V DC 10A Step Up Transformer
Post by: RE on July 02, 2015, 02:34:46 PM
If you have been following the Doomer Refrigeration thread, you know I just picked up a 110AH 12V Deep Cycle Marine battery for the Low Low Price Every Day at Wally World of $86.

Stepped up to 36V, it would have a bit over 30AH.

Contrast this to the Battset I just bought for the Ewz, it gives me 10AH @ 36V, and it ran me $156.

So if I could find a step up transformer 12V-36V I could run the Ewz off of the Marine Battery by itself, around triple the distance/time for the current battset.

The big question mark was could I find such a transformer that would handle that much DC current running through it and not fry it?  DC transformers need to be a lot more robust than AC, and they are typically a good deal more expensive if they are handling a lot of current.  They get fucking HOT!

So, online to do some Googling, and in fact our good friends the Mainland Chinese at the Nanjing Clean Energy Electronic Technology Company (http://www.aliexpress.com/store/339038) have brought the price down on these things tremendously, by offloading all their pollution into the local sewer system and employing ex-rice paddy workers for $2/day.  ::)

For the bargain price of $16, they produce a continuously variable DC transformer that goes from 12V to 80V, max output of 10A or 600W, whichever comes first I imagine.

(http://i01.i.aliimg.com/wsphoto/v0/1547846641_1/12V-to-80V-10A-600W-DC-Converter-Adjustable-Boost-Converter-DC-Transformer-Boost-modual-Voltage-Regulator.jpg)

I ordered 2 of them.

There are two possible ways of using this.

First off, I can set up a Fast Charge system off the Marine battery to directly charge in DC without going through AC.  In theory, I could fully charge the current Battset from dead to full in an hour.  It currently takes about 6 hours to do that with the trickle charger you get with the Ewz.  However, you really would not want to go that fast, those batteries aren't designed to take such a fast charge.  I think they would be OK at 5A input though, so a 2 hour to full charge this way.

 The other option is to directly power the Ewz from ANY 12V Car Battery!!!!.  All I gotta do is wire the transformer in between the 12V Battery and the 36V motor!!!  As long as it can handle the current load, it won't fry, and coincidentally this is a 10A motor!   :icon_sunny:  It should work swimmingly well, if all the Chinese Circuitry is up to snuff anyhow.

Assuming I get this system to work without Electrocuting myself, this makes the Ewz WAY more resilient.  I no longer have to worry if I can get hold of specialied batteries.  I can run the thing off any old car battery I can find that still will take a charge.

This is the best experiment yet with the EWz.  However, it will take a while to find out whether I can make it work.  First off, I bought it from Jack Ma at Ali-poo-poo, and from China it takes 24 hours to Verify your payment.  This happens in a few seconds when you order from Nick Hanauer at Amazon.  Then gotta wait at least a week I think to find out if this company is honest, or they are just collecting payment info to rip people off.  I think that is unlikely since you are actually paying Jack at Ali-poo-poo and Jack pays the seller, but we'll see.

My luck seems to be better lately with the online purchases, so I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

I will update if/when the transformers arrive.

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Title: Re: Ewz: 12V DC to 36V DC 10A Step Up Transformer
Post by: RE on July 03, 2015, 11:04:38 AM
(http://i01.i.aliimg.com/wsphoto/v0/1547846641_1/12V-to-80V-10A-600W-DC-Converter-Adjustable-Boost-Converter-DC-Transformer-Boost-modual-Voltage-Regulator.jpg)

Transformers have been shipped!  :icon_sunny:

Your Order 6666666666 has been shipped

Jack Ma is on the Up & Up!  LOL.

5-15 Days for it to arrive at the Palmer Post Office.

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Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: Petty Tyrant on July 03, 2015, 11:09:18 PM
12v car battery too heavy for a scooter. Look at the  lith ion replacement batteries of 36v from electric lawnmowers / weedeaters if u cant get originals replaced.. probably expensive and or weird shape though.
Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: RE on July 04, 2015, 12:26:02 AM
12v car battery too heavy for a scooter. Look at the  lith ion replacement batteries of 36v from electric lawnmowers / weedeaters if u cant get originals replaced.. probably expensive and or weird shape though.

Actually, by the time you add up the weight of 3 Werker 10AH SLA batteries, the weight is not that much different from a car batt.  10 lbs difference the most.

LiI would be better of course.

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Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: K-Dog on July 04, 2015, 11:17:28 AM
More bucks than I have to play with and a damn good reason not to send Dmitry Orlov any of my hard earned money for his hole in the water boat, like he asked everyone to do a couple of weeks ago.  Something for me to save up for.

(https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fbrimages.bikeboardmedia.netdna-cdn.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2015%2F05%2Fadd-e-motor-close.jpg&f=1)

Transform your existing bike into a powerful e-bike within seconds. (https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/add-e-simply-add-electricity-to-your-bicycle#/story)

The good thing about this little dohickey is that it is the right size to augment, but not replace human power.  With two bottle batteries instead of one it could get me to work and home. My  commute is about 15 miles in mostly bumper to bumper traffic.  With augmented power I could commute in about the same time it takes me now in my old 1980 Mercedes diesel sedan.   This thing would be charged at work.  I know it is not for everyone but I like it and it would be fine for my needs.

I could keep toting that barge and lifting that bale or I could post a fund raiser on my website.  I'll be staying with the nine to five for a while; it's more dignified LOL.

That is a nice little switching power supply you found RE.  I hope it works out for you.



Title: Electric Bicycle Conversion Kit: Independence Day Sale 60% OFF. Total Cost $250!
Post by: RE on July 04, 2015, 12:25:59 PM
More bucks than I have to play with and a damn good reason not to send Dmitry Orlov any of my hard earned money for his hole in the water boat, like he asked everyone to do a couple of weeks ago.  Something for me to save up for.


Transform your existing bike into a powerful e-bike within seconds. (https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/add-e-simply-add-electricity-to-your-bicycle#/story)[/center]

The good thing about this little dohickey is that it is the right size to augment, but not replace human power.  With two bottle batteries instead of one it could get me to work and home. My  commute is about 15 miles in mostly bumper to bumper traffic.  With augmented power I could commute in about the same time it takes me now in my old 1980 Mercedes diesel sedan.   This thing would be charged at work.  I know it is not for everyone but I like it and it would be fine for my needs.

There are lots of electric conversion kits for bicycles on the market coming in cheaper than this.

ONE DAY INDEPENDENCE DAY SALE 60% OFF!!!  YOU GET IT ALL FOR $250!!!!

THIS KIT (http://www.rakuten.com/prod/48v1000w-26-front-wheel-electric-bicycle-hub-motor-speed-control/281266713.html?listingId=409809889&sclid=pla_google_YescomUSA&adid=29963&gclid=Cj0KEQjwiN6sBRDK2vOO_vaRs5cBEiQAfsnJCb4nXiyB4Rr1jJSkqQiv1eIJyuQB4nyYzkR12fbXnCcaAm9D8P8HAQ) comes in @ $650.  ONE DAY SALE FOR $250.

(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTAwMFgxMDAw/z/xcEAAOSwqu9VHg~w/$_35.JPG)

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Update: Had the original price wrong.  Fixed now.
Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: K-Dog on July 04, 2015, 02:00:37 PM
(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTAwMFgxMDAw/z/xcEAAOSwqu9VHg~w/$_35.JPG)

A very good deal for what it is.  I have bought two of these kinds of kits.  I also bought a used wheel that had ball bearings rusted and stuck together which I rebuilt to better than new condition.  Three wheels in all.  The wheel motors are brush-less DC motors with three lines from the controlling electronics that sequence current to the motor windings using Pulse Width Modulation to simulate a speed set voltage.  The controller actually needs to output a variable voltage like the little $16 switcher you are getting purports to do.  On your little board a 10 turn pot sets the voltage but I could modify it so the output voltage is set by an analog control voltage.  That replaces the pot with a network of three resistors that can go to a control voltage which could be set by a throttle.

Kludging this $100 kit I'd put your board in the mix.  The output voltage from your board would go to the controller that comes in the wheel motor kit.  This would give high efficiency under all load conditions.  The input voltage to your board would be set by the kit throttle making it slightly more complicated than three resistors and two simultaneous equations in two unknowns but it is not that hard.  I have thought of a better way that does not use a throttle at all.

Here is a test bench with my own first generation controller electronics implementing the above ideas.  This part of my experimentation was a total success.  I had full control of my wheel test bench and while fooling around the test bench wheel motor spun at a speed that would give over 90 miles an hour.  I simulated real world load conditions by running the wheel against the mechanical load mounted on my welded test frame.  The magnetic drag load was extracted from an exercise bike. 

(http://chasingthesquirrel.com/wheel.png)

Spinning this puppy was fun!  The power of the wheel filled the room.


I was doing this when I wasn't working and while this is not a boat; it was like a hole in the water to me.   Buying circuit board prototypes from ones own funds is not cheap so I moth-balled the project.  the 'add-e' motor I showed earlier today is right-sized and while not integrated into the bicycle itself and as efficient as that arrangement could be it looks to be very well done.  A motor that can put out more power than a human has dead weight.

I also have a motor mounted on a bike that has a Surly Long Haul Trucker steel frame to which I welded a mount for an eight inch bicycle rear disk brake.  My bicycle needs a bigger chain sprocket on the petals to handle the extra speed the motor gives though I already have a larger than average chain sprocket on it already.  The disk brake works perfectly.
Title: Electric Bicycles: Power Assist Trailer
Post by: RE on July 04, 2015, 02:50:55 PM
Another option rather than powering the bike itself is to either build or buy a Power Assist Trailer.

EA over on Economic Undertow recommends this method, she uses it to make her Milk Deliveries around her Doomsteading neighborhood.  She uses the unit made by Ridekick (http://ridekick.com/) together with a recumbent bike.

Numerous advantages to this method.  First off, it gives you cargo capacity.  Second, you can easily and quickly switch it from bike to bike.  Thrid, if you feel like riding for exercise without the added weight of your electric package, you simply unhook and go for a ride.

(http://urbanvelo.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/ridekick_unpus.jpg)

(http://ebikeee.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/ridekick_02.jpg)

(http://images.gizmag.com/inline/ridekick-9.jpg)

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Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: K-Dog on July 06, 2015, 01:18:31 PM
A trailer could supply a lot of battery power and would keep added weight at a low center of gravity.  My bike with the hub motor currently needs new batteries.  My plan is to someday implement them in front and rear panniers.  I've mounted front and rear racks for mounting the panniers.  Perhaps I should consider a trailer.  One thing nice about my hub motor is that with clever electronics it can be made to charge batteries on downhill runs.  That could make up for trailer drag.
Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: RE on July 06, 2015, 01:34:00 PM
A trailer could supply a lot of battery power and would keep added weight at a low center of gravity.  My bike with the hub motor currently needs new batteries.  My plan is to someday implement them in front and rear panniers.  I've mounted front and rear racks for mounting the panniers.  Perhaps I should consider a trailer.  One thing nice about my hub motor is that with clever electronics it can be made to charge batteries on downhill runs.  That could make up for trailer drag.

My thought was to create a "hybrid" by using a small gas powered engine on the trailer, such as a chainsaw engine.  This could be used to drive the trailer wheels directly, as well as charge the batteries for the electric motor on the bike itself.

(http://ll-us-i5.wal.co/dfw/dce07b8c-cd01/k2-_14837c71-dfb8-4b86-b2cd-e3035486c7a5.v1.jpg-403ac28d84fe7751aba83bc2871888bfa71c6d81-optim-450x450.jpg)

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Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: K-Dog on July 06, 2015, 01:46:16 PM
That sounds like an interesting project.  I have had similar thoughts and wondered about keeping a 5000 watt generator in the back of a pick up truck which has been converted to electric.  Such an arraignment would keep both bike riders and drivers from being stranded if batteries run down, permanently stranded anyway.  I do not have such a truck but know someone who does.
Title: Ewz: TRANSFORMER ARRIVES!
Post by: RE on July 17, 2015, 07:18:30 PM
If you have been following the Doomer Refrigeration thread, you know I just picked up a 110AH 12V Deep Cycle Marine battery for the Low Low Price Every Day at Wally World of $86.

Stepped up to 36V, it would have a bit over 30AH.

Contrast this to the Battset I just bought for the Ewz, it gives me 10AH @ 36V, and it ran me $156.

So if I could find a step up transformer 12V-36V I could run the Ewz off of the Marine Battery by itself, around triple the distance/time for the current battset.

The big question mark was could I find such a transformer that would handle that much DC current running through it and not fry it?  DC transformers need to be a lot more robust than AC, and they are typically a good deal more expensive if they are handling a lot of current.  They get fucking HOT!

So, online to do some Googling, and in fact our good friends the Mainland Chinese at the Nanjing Clean Energy Electronic Technology Company (http://www.aliexpress.com/store/339038) have brought the price down on these things tremendously, by offloading all their pollution into the local sewer system and employing ex-rice paddy workers for $2/day.  ::)

For the bargain price of $16, they produce a continuously variable DC transformer that goes from 12V to 80V, max output of 10A or 600W, whichever comes first I imagine.

(http://i01.i.aliimg.com/wsphoto/v0/1547846641_1/12V-to-80V-10A-600W-DC-Converter-Adjustable-Boost-Converter-DC-Transformer-Boost-modual-Voltage-Regulator.jpg)

I ordered 2 of them.

There are two possible ways of using this.

First off, I can set up a Fast Charge system off the Marine battery to directly charge in DC without going through AC.  In theory, I could fully charge the current Battset from dead to full in an hour.  It currently takes about 6 hours to do that with the trickle charger you get with the Ewz.  However, you really would not want to go that fast, those batteries aren't designed to take such a fast charge.  I think they would be OK at 5A input though, so a 2 hour to full charge this way.

 The other option is to directly power the Ewz from ANY 12V Car Battery!!!!.  All I gotta do is wire the transformer in between the 12V Battery and the 36V motor!!!  As long as it can handle the current load, it won't fry, and coincidentally this is a 10A motor!   :icon_sunny:  It should work swimmingly well, if all the Chinese Circuitry is up to snuff anyhow.

Assuming I get this system to work without Electrocuting myself, this makes the Ewz WAY more resilient.  I no longer have to worry if I can get hold of specialied batteries.  I can run the thing off any old car battery I can find that still will take a charge.

This is the best experiment yet with the EWz.  However, it will take a while to find out whether I can make it work.  First off, I bought it from Jack Ma at Ali-poo-poo, and from China it takes 24 hours to Verify your payment.  This happens in a few seconds when you order from Nick Hanauer at Amazon.  Then gotta wait at least a week I think to find out if this company is honest, or they are just collecting payment info to rip people off.  I think that is unlikely since you are actually paying Jack at Ali-poo-poo and Jack pays the seller, but we'll see.

My luck seems to be better lately with the online purchases, so I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

I will update if/when the transformers arrive.

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THE TRANSFORMERS HAVE ARRIVED!

The package was actually small enough to fit in my mailboz so I didn't have to go to the Post Office to pick it up.

I unboxed one of them, and it looks fairly robust and well built.

Minor PROBLEM.  NO INSTRUCTIONS!

There are terminals for In and Out connections, but I do not see any control to set what the input voltage is and what the output voltage will be.  So it must I guess sense this automatically?  I can't figure out how it would do that though.

I'm going to have to try and contact the supplier in China and find out how to wire this thing up without frying myself or the batteries or motor on the Ewz.

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Title: Re: Ewz: TRANSFORMER ARRIVES!
Post by: RE on July 17, 2015, 07:34:23 PM
If you have been following the Doomer Refrigeration thread, you know I just picked up a 110AH 12V Deep Cycle Marine battery for the Low Low Price Every Day at Wally World of $86.

Stepped up to 36V, it would have a bit over 30AH.

Contrast this to the Battset I just bought for the Ewz, it gives me 10AH @ 36V, and it ran me $156.

So if I could find a step up transformer 12V-36V I could run the Ewz off of the Marine Battery by itself, around triple the distance/time for the current battset.

The big question mark was could I find such a transformer that would handle that much DC current running through it and not fry it?  DC transformers need to be a lot more robust than AC, and they are typically a good deal more expensive if they are handling a lot of current.  They get fucking HOT!

So, online to do some Googling, and in fact our good friends the Mainland Chinese at the Nanjing Clean Energy Electronic Technology Company (http://www.aliexpress.com/store/339038) have brought the price down on these things tremendously, by offloading all their pollution into the local sewer system and employing ex-rice paddy workers for $2/day.  ::)

For the bargain price of $16, they produce a continuously variable DC transformer that goes from 12V to 80V, max output of 10A or 600W, whichever comes first I imagine.

(http://i01.i.aliimg.com/wsphoto/v0/1547846641_1/12V-to-80V-10A-600W-DC-Converter-Adjustable-Boost-Converter-DC-Transformer-Boost-modual-Voltage-Regulator.jpg)

I ordered 2 of them.

There are two possible ways of using this.

First off, I can set up a Fast Charge system off the Marine battery to directly charge in DC without going through AC.  In theory, I could fully charge the current Battset from dead to full in an hour.  It currently takes about 6 hours to do that with the trickle charger you get with the Ewz.  However, you really would not want to go that fast, those batteries aren't designed to take such a fast charge.  I think they would be OK at 5A input though, so a 2 hour to full charge this way.

 The other option is to directly power the Ewz from ANY 12V Car Battery!!!!.  All I gotta do is wire the transformer in between the 12V Battery and the 36V motor!!!  As long as it can handle the current load, it won't fry, and coincidentally this is a 10A motor!   :icon_sunny:  It should work swimmingly well, if all the Chinese Circuitry is up to snuff anyhow.

Assuming I get this system to work without Electrocuting myself, this makes the Ewz WAY more resilient.  I no longer have to worry if I can get hold of specialied batteries.  I can run the thing off any old car battery I can find that still will take a charge.

This is the best experiment yet with the EWz.  However, it will take a while to find out whether I can make it work.  First off, I bought it from Jack Ma at Ali-poo-poo, and from China it takes 24 hours to Verify your payment.  This happens in a few seconds when you order from Nick Hanauer at Amazon.  Then gotta wait at least a week I think to find out if this company is honest, or they are just collecting payment info to rip people off.  I think that is unlikely since you are actually paying Jack at Ali-poo-poo and Jack pays the seller, but we'll see.

My luck seems to be better lately with the online purchases, so I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

I will update if/when the transformers arrive.

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THE TRANSFORMERS HAVE ARRIVED!

The package was actually small enough to fit in my mailboz so I didn't have to go to the Post Office to pick it up.

I unboxed one of them, and it looks fairly robust and well built.

Minor PROBLEM.  NO INSTRUCTIONS!

There are terminals for In and Out connections, but I do not see any control to set what the input voltage is and what the output voltage will be.  So it must I guess sense this automatically?  I can't figure out how it would do that though.

I'm going to have to try and contact the supplier in China and find out how to wire this thing up without frying myself or the batteries or motor on the Ewz.

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OK, I have identified two tiny screws which regulate Input Voltage and Output Voltage.  However, there are no markings for adjusting them to any specific voltage.  I probably will need to use some type of meter to adjust them correctly.

It has a fuse on it, but looking at some of the wiring I really wonder how it can handle 10A without frying., even though the heat radiator is pretty robust.

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Title: Re: Ewz: TRANSFORMER ARRIVES!
Post by: g on July 17, 2015, 07:47:33 PM

Question for diner Geeks?

If  you have an Apple I pad and you have five or six different websites open at the same time does it wear out the battery faster.

Someone told me it does, but I don't see why it should, but I am clueless on such matters.

I ask because I bring it to bed and listen to podcasts and watch markets and check news etc, and it is a pain in the ass closing one and opening another, but not if it causes faster battery usage because recharging is a pain in the ass as well. Sometimes the battery seems to go down faster than other times, but i'm not sure. Im talking about having a hal dozen or so tabs open at once on Safari Browser.

I leave it in sleep mode as well because shutting it down completely and getting back on wi fi can be a pain in the ass at times as well. :icon_scratch: :icon_scratch:

Thanks if anyone can give me just a simple answer. Don't waste much time on detailed details because I won't understand them.
Title: Re: Ewz: TRANSFORMER ARRIVES!
Post by: RE on July 17, 2015, 07:57:40 PM

Question for diner Geeks?

If  you have an Apple I pad and you have five or six different websites open at the same time does it wear out the battery faster.

Someone told me it does, but I don't see why it should, but I am clueless on such matters.

I ask because I bring it to bed and listen to podcasts and watch markets and check news etc, and it is a pain in the ass closing one and opening another, but not if it causes faster battery usage because recharging is a pain in the ass as well. Sometimes the battery seems to go down faster than other times, but i'm not sure. Im talking about having a hal dozen or so tabs open at once on Safari Browser.

I leave it in sleep mode as well because shutting it down completely and getting back on wi fi can be a pain in the ass at times as well. :icon_scratch: :icon_scratch:

Thanks if anyone can give me just a simple answer. Don't waste much time on detailed details because I won't understand them.

It depends on the CPU usage and how often the website you are attached to is updating over the WiFi.

Some websites do not update if you are not actually reading and clicking.  Other ones do update automatically, for instance your mail programs usually do.

If you want to conserve battery life, the best thing to do is to simply shut down your tablet entirely when you go to sleep.  when you restart it in the morning, it will connect back up to all the pages you had open before you shut it down.

The other option is to keep your tablet plugged in at night, which is what I do.  I plug it in to a wall outlet near the bed.  Since my tablet is also my phone, I need to keep it on all the time to receive calls from the lawyer, the pros from dover, etc.  I also keep it plugged in most of the day while at my desk.  the only time it is not plugged in is when I leave the digs and travel around, and even there if I am in my SUV I plug it in to the cigarette lighter outlet.

Because of this, I have never worn out the battery on any phone/tablet I own.  I only run them on battery power if I don't have an external source of electric power.

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Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: RE on July 17, 2015, 08:07:27 PM
Jack Ma has a pretty nice messaging system on Ali-Poo-Poo for contacting your Chinese supplier.  I just sent off a message to them inquiring on how I adjust my transformer to work from 12V to 36V.

I will inform on how fast they get back to me on this and then on whether I can make it work without bringing down Thunderbolts from Asgaard.

(http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11113/111136785/4183599-fantastic-thor-lightning-image.jpg)

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Title: Re: Ewz: TRANSFORMER ARRIVES!
Post by: g on July 17, 2015, 08:19:21 PM

Question for diner Geeks?

If  you have an Apple I pad and you have five or six different websites open at the same time does it wear out the battery faster.

Someone told me it does, but I don't see why it should, but I am clueless on such matters.

I ask because I bring it to bed and listen to podcasts and watch markets and check news etc, and it is a pain in the ass closing one and opening another, but not if it causes faster battery usage because recharging is a pain in the ass as well. Sometimes the battery seems to go down faster than other times, but i'm not sure. Im talking about having a hal dozen or so tabs open at once on Safari Browser.

I leave it in sleep mode as well because shutting it down completely and getting back on wi fi can be a pain in the ass at times as well. :icon_scratch: :icon_scratch:

Thanks if anyone can give me just a simple answer. Don't waste much time on detailed details because I won't understand them.

It depends on the CPU usage and how often the website you are attached to is updating over the WiFi.

Some websites do not update if you are not actually reading and clicking.  Other ones do update automatically, for instance your mail programs usually do.

If you want to conserve battery life, the best thing to do is to simply shut down your tablet entirely when you go to sleep.  when you restart it in the morning, it will connect back up to all the pages you had open before you shut it down.

The other option is to keep your tablet plugged in at night, which is what I do.  I plug it in to a wall outlet near the bed.  Since my tablet is also my phone, I need to keep it on all the time to receive calls from the lawyer, the pros from dover, etc.  I also keep it plugged in most of the day while at my desk.  the only time it is not plugged in is when I leave the digs and travel around, and even there if I am in my SUV I plug it in to the cigarette lighter outlet.

Because of this, I have never worn out the battery on any phone/tablet I own.  I only run them on battery power if I don't have an external source of electric power.

RE

Thanks, i tried the keep it plugged in ll the time but it doesnt work for me. I toss and turn to much in the sack and move the tablet around to a new spot  on the sack for easier listening. That cord apple gives you is so short I ripped it out a few times by accident.

Sometimes I get up to take a leak or get some cold water out of the refrigerator and forget it
s plugged in as well and yank it out by accident. I broke one already and it's 15 bucks for a new one. I can handle that with a mild curse at getting dicked by apple, but the trip to Best Buy or Staples is no fun.

When I shut mine down completley it sometimes takes five minutes to get back on to my home WIFI. Around ten different choices show up from neighbors wifi's and the tablet seems confused for a while until it picks out mine and logs back on. :icon_scratch: :icon_scratch:

Sometimes a strange one pops up and it tells me to enter a password for it, then I have to sort mine out from the list and tell it to log on to that one.

I guess what i can be sure of though is the less websites open is probably the best idea. especially where my brokers feeds are updating prices constantly, both stock and commodity so that is two different brokers updating constantly plus BBC news Yahoo News and CNN
 plus a podcast somewhere.

My guess RE, from what you say is that they would be battery burners?

Title: Re: Ewz: TRANSFORMER ARRIVES!
Post by: RE on July 17, 2015, 08:47:20 PM

Question for diner Geeks?

If  you have an Apple I pad and you have five or six different websites open at the same time does it wear out the battery faster.

Someone told me it does, but I don't see why it should, but I am clueless on such matters.

I ask because I bring it to bed and listen to podcasts and watch markets and check news etc, and it is a pain in the ass closing one and opening another, but not if it causes faster battery usage because recharging is a pain in the ass as well. Sometimes the battery seems to go down faster than other times, but i'm not sure. Im talking about having a hal dozen or so tabs open at once on Safari Browser.

I leave it in sleep mode as well because shutting it down completely and getting back on wi fi can be a pain in the ass at times as well. :icon_scratch: :icon_scratch:

Thanks if anyone can give me just a simple answer. Don't waste much time on detailed details because I won't understand them.

It depends on the CPU usage and how often the website you are attached to is updating over the WiFi.

Some websites do not update if you are not actually reading and clicking.  Other ones do update automatically, for instance your mail programs usually do.

If you want to conserve battery life, the best thing to do is to simply shut down your tablet entirely when you go to sleep.  when you restart it in the morning, it will connect back up to all the pages you had open before you shut it down.

The other option is to keep your tablet plugged in at night, which is what I do.  I plug it in to a wall outlet near the bed.  Since my tablet is also my phone, I need to keep it on all the time to receive calls from the lawyer, the pros from dover, etc.  I also keep it plugged in most of the day while at my desk.  the only time it is not plugged in is when I leave the digs and travel around, and even there if I am in my SUV I plug it in to the cigarette lighter outlet.

Because of this, I have never worn out the battery on any phone/tablet I own.  I only run them on battery power if I don't have an external source of electric power.

RE

Thanks, i tried the keep it plugged in ll the time but it doesnt work for me. I toss and turn to much in the sack and move the tablet around to a new spot  on the sack for easier listening. That cord apple gives you is so short I ripped it out a few times by accident.

Sometimes I get up to take a leak or get some cold water out of the refrigerator and forget it
s plugged in as well and yank it out by accident. I broke one already and it's 15 bucks for a new one. I can handle that with a mild curse at getting dicked by apple, but the trip to Best Buy or Staples is no fun.

When I shut mine down completley it sometimes takes five minutes to get back on to my home WIFI. Around ten different choices show up from neighbors wifi's and the tablet seems confused for a while until it picks out mine and logs back on. :icon_scratch: :icon_scratch:

Sometimes a strange one pops up and it tells me to enter a password for it, then I have to sort mine out from the list and tell it to log on to that one.

I guess what i can be sure of though is the less websites open is probably the best idea. especially where my brokers feeds are updating prices constantly, both stock and commodity so that is two different brokers updating constantly plus BBC news Yahoo News and CNN
 plus a podcast somewhere.

My guess RE, from what you say is that they would be battery burners?

Well, since I got off APPL shit and went to Samsung, all my power cords are interchangeable.  All the cords for my cameras etc use Micro USB cables, and all came with wall chargers that provide the same output votage (5V).  I have about a dozen of them, along with the USB-Micro USB connection cables.  I have tripped over the occassional cord and ruined one or two of them, but generally speaking I am reasonably careful about this.  Everything also works with my car chargers (I have 3 of those too).

Far as bringing my Phablet to bed, I leave it right next to the bed, not on it unless I am Web Surfing while reclining there and giving the neck a rest.  I will unplug it to make it easier sometimes, but the cord is long enough that I don't really have to do that usually.

Far as battery burning goes, as I said it depends what you are connected to and what the CPU usage is on the Tablet.  As long as you are operating on battery power, it cuts into the life of the battery, and the more power you consume, the shorter that lifespan is.  The best option is to use the battery power only when really necessary.  If you have external power available, use that.

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Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: Palloy on July 18, 2015, 01:25:05 AM
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especially where my brokers feeds are updating prices constantly, both stock and commodity so that is two different brokers updating constantly plus BBC news Yahoo News and CNN

... and DD, which does a "keep alive" every 5 minutes.  And email checking.

Yes, that sort of thing is best closed, but it doesn't use that much power compared to the screen.  You can set the screen to switch off if idle for X minutes, and that can save you heaps.

If you are paying for MegaBytes transferred over Wifi, you can save that way too by closing browser tabs.
Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: Palloy on July 18, 2015, 01:35:48 AM
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Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: RE on July 20, 2015, 05:03:00 PM
I got the following instructions back from the Transformer supplier:

Echo Lee: Hello,
This a section of user manual about how to adjust the volatge,please have a check:

5.3 Adjust output voltage value
The output voltage value can be adjusted according to the actual situation.
I-ADJ potentiometer which can adjust the input current, V-ADJ can adjust the
output voltage.
After the load is connected, adjust I-ADJ, then the output voltage will change,
when adjust counterclockwise the output voltage decreases, while adjust
clockwise the output voltage increases, the output voltage does not increase
until up to U 0 . Adjustment of V-ADJ can adjust the output voltage, clockwise
adjustment increases voltage, counterclockwise adjustment decreases voltage.
Whatever the input voltage is increased or decreased, the output voltage is in
constant state.
If the load is connected, adjust I-ADJ, the output voltage is constant, and the
output voltage is in constant state, adjust V-ADJ to change the output voltage,
adjust clockwise to increase the output voltage, adjust counterclockwise to
reduce output voltage.


If you still cant know how to adjust,please give me your email,i will send you the user manual via email,or you can download it in this link below:

http://www.cleanenergy-npt.com/Shop/ShowProduct.asp?ProductID=248 (http://www.cleanenergy-npt.com/Shop/ShowProduct.asp?ProductID=248)

Here's the Video from the manual:

http://www.youtube.com/v/182ZsYs59mk

I have a small cheap analog multimeter, but not sure how it will work with this.  I may need to Buy a Bigger Meter.  ::)

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Title: Ewz: RE gets a FLAT!
Post by: RE on August 25, 2015, 03:46:18 AM
(http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/RE-Ezip.jpg)

On Saturday on the way back from 3 Bears the ride started to get ROUGH! I pull over to the side of the Bike Lane and sure enough, Rear Tire is FLAT!

Fortunately at this point I am no more than 1/4 mile from the digs, so I walk beside the Ewz with the throttle cranked low at walking speed and walk it back to the digs, which takes considerable time since I need to stop every 100 yards or so because the legs cramp up.

Now, I did have foresight that such a problem would crop up, and after purchasing the Ewz also bought spare tires and spare inner tubes as well.

The small problem here is that in order to change out the inner tube on this vehicle, you have to pull off the entire rear wheel assembly including the motor.  Even if you have two GOOD arms this is not an EZ task.  With only one arm, FUHGETTABOUDDIT!

(http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Ewz-Charging.jpg)
So, I pull out a can of Fix-a-Flat, which I have in my preps and try that.  Stupidly, instead of doing this outside, I do it inside the digs in the Ewz normal Parking Spot by the front door.  Halfway through, the can valve gives way and the whole fucking can sprays out all over the place!  It stinks up the digs with petrochemical fumes.  I open the doors and windows (Thank God I did not do this in mid-winter!), but it still takes 2 days before the digs stop smelling like a Dupont Chemical Plant.

On Sunday, I am on my First Day since the Neck Injury without use of the Ewz, and I realize how important this device is to my life nowadays. In order to go shopping on Sunday, I have to use the SUV.  It gets me to 3 Bears, but now I have to WALK around 3 Bears, which is a fucking BIG warehouse of FOOD.  Normally, I just cruise the aisles on the Ewz and throw the items I am buying that day into the front basket.  Walking around that whole store to shop is no EZ task for a Cripple.

So I am determined that on Monday I will get this thing FIXED!

Small problem, I am ALSO scheduled on Monday for my final PreOp visit with my Primary Care Internist,  to get Blood Tests, Urine Sample, an EKG and another Chest X-Ray, which I need to go to Mat-Su Regional Medical Center for.  I am sure this will take all day.

First issue is the EKG, it shows an anomaly, probably not life threatening but has to be run by the Pro From Dover who will carve up my neck.  Another BIGGER problem crops up with the urine sample.  Even though I have to piss often these days, prior to leaving the digs I took a piss, because I don't want to be driving around and have to take a leak, and end up pissing my pants.  When I head for the bathroom to try to give a sample like 2 drops come out, not enough.  I try drinking 3 glasses of water, still no go.  So I tell the nurse I will come back tomorrow ready to piss.  Hopefully not while I am driving there and waste it.  LOL.

Then over to Matsu Regional, and fortunately they are GREAT over there, most efficient Hospital I have ever had the unfortunate necessity of visiting.  I get in there, register with admitting and get my X-Ray inside an hour.

(http://cdn.iphoneincanada.ca/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/size-2.png)

It is now 2 PM, so still time to find a Tire Shop or Bike Shop that will change the inner tube for me!  I go on my Samsung Galaxy Mega VERY SMART AND BIG phone and locate the closest tire shop to Matsu Regional.  Sadly "No we don't work on anything but auto tires".  Next Tire Shop, "Yea maybe we can do it, you can make an appointment for next Tuesday".  Yea OK, next Tuesday if I am still alive I am going to be popping painkillers in the digs, I am not going to be travelling around to get my Ewz fixed!

Forget the Tire Shops, lets try the Bike Shops!  It's now 3 PM, I am running out of time here.  First Big Bike Shop, NO GO! "Sorry, we only work on Bikes, not ScootersARRGGGHHHHH!  Now I am worrying I will NEVER be able to get this tire changed!  There is one more Bike Shop listed on the Mega though within range, a little one in Palmer.  I walk in the shack, and there are two young guys in there working on bikes, early 20s.  One of them drops what he is doing and comes out with me to the SUV to have a look at the Ewz.

"Well, I never worked on one of these before, but yea, I think I can do it."  I AM SAVED!

Takes him about 45 minutes all totaled, but said Bike Jockey got the whole rear motor assembly disengaged from the frame, got the tire off, switched out the inner tubes with one of my spares and got the Ewz Ready for the Road and 3 Bears again!  YAY!  My HERO!  This is the only Bike Shop I will ever patronize as long as I live in Alaska.

Besides changing out the Inner Tubes, he also found the Pinhole in the old tube and patched it, so that tube will work again if/when necessary, although they don't guarantee patch jobs.  I tested it upon returning to the digs though, and it is holding air.  He went online also to see if we could find Solid Inner Tubes for this tire size, but unfortunately no go on that.  He did find Heavy Duty Thorn Resistant tubes though, so I ordered 2 more of them.

What all this should tell you though is that even the Bicycle Paradigm probably only lasts as long as you can still get hold of Tires and Inner Tubes, and anyone who rides a lot knows how quickly those things will wear out.  If you get 2 years out of a bike tire/tube combination you ride often you are doing really good.

Fortunately for me, I don't put  lot of mileage on the Ewz, and I probably have enough tires and tubes to last me the rest of my life, even if it does run longer than the next 4 days.  When I do heal up enough to start cruising 3 Bears on the Ewz again, it will be plugged in, charged up and ready to haul my crippled ass over there to buy food, long as it is still on the shelves and the medical industry leaves me some money with which to buy it anyhow.

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Title: Hybrid Circumnavigation
Post by: RE on September 22, 2015, 10:37:20 PM
Warning: This is a FANTASY POST which will likely never happen, at least with Cripple RE at the Helm.  However, it is the Ultimate Possibility for a small Electrics system to circumnavigate the Globe.

The Rig is as follows:

EWz Main towing Vehicle over land.

Title: Ewz Commuting
Post by: RE on October 21, 2015, 05:41:16 AM
Took my regular trip over to 3 Bears to buy some supplies today, some Habanero Pepper Sauce, Ramen Noodles and Smokes.  This is not all that significant except for a couple of details.

It's the first day since using the Ewz as my primary daily shopping errand vehicle that it was cold enough where I added a pair of Gloves and a Leather Jacket over my sweatshirt to make the trip.  I have been curious as to how much of the year I can use it before it's just too uncomfortable even for the short trip over there.  It was fine on this trip, and it looks to me now like I will make it through at least November on the Ewz shopping expeditions.  Depending on what the snowfall is like this year, Dec-Feb may be dicey on this, but there may be good days in there for using it instead of the carz.  I should be able to get back to regular use with it by March I think.

Far as Gas goes, I am a horrible consumer of this product nowadays, I haven't filled up a tank of gas in 2 months!  Although, I have had a couple of friends drive me into Anchorage for medical bullshit, so I did use the gas in their carz for this.  The battset appears to be holding up well after the last 6 months or so of regular use, I'm hopeful to get at least another full season out of it in 2016.  A Battset for the Ewz costs around $160 with shipping to AK, so if I get 2 years out of one this is $80/year, obviously way less than I used to spend in gas, but you also have to consider I don't travel around near as much as I used to.  I have a second full battset for when this set gives out, at which time I will order a new set. The electricity cost for keeping it charged up for daily errands is negligible, I don't think it's more than $10/month at the outside.

I am looking into means to get into Anchorage via Public Transportation with the Ewz.  There is a Bus Service Valley Mover which takes you from the Mat Valley (there are two different stops reasonably near me to get on the bus) into downtown Anchorage.  It runs between around 5Am and 6pm Mon-Fri, $10 for a Day Pass on the bus.  It is 90 miles R/T to Anchorage, so even if your vehicle gets 30 mpg, at the current $3.50/gal up here you spend more than that in gas.  Plus neither of my vehicles get anywhere near that good gas mileage, 20 mpg is good for them even on the highway.  Once in Anchorage with the stop-n-go traffic, half that probably.

The main issue with this is whether I can bring the Ewz on the bus, and how to get it on and off the bus.  I don't know if the buses are equipped with a lift for this purpose.  I figure they should be since this is a non-profit company and Handicap Accessibility is usually legally required, but don't know for sure on this.  I called them last week to find out but got a voicemail and nobody called me back, so I will have to try again.

If it is possible to get the Ewz on the bus, I imagine Rush Hour is probably not a good time to try it, probably you want to leave around 10 AM and be on the bus back by 3PM.  That would however generally provide enough time for most of the medical appointment bullshit I travel to Anchorage for.   Weather is also obviously an important consideration, I don't want to be cruising around all day in the rain or if the temp is 20 below.  lol.

I really believe if more buses and trains were equipped to accept these things easily that it provides a much more energy efficient means of travel around.  Even if just 4 people Car pooled and dropped their Ewz on a trailer this would cut energy usage for commutes at least in half.

I will update on this post once I get info from Valley Mover on whether I can bring the Ewz aboard the bus.

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Title: Re: Ewz Commuting
Post by: MKing on October 21, 2015, 10:42:48 AM
I really believe if more buses and trains were equipped to accept these things easily that it provides a much more energy efficient means of travel around. 

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Move on up to the adult table sometime, and stop playing with toys. Comfort for 4, 25 miles of EV, ice cold A/C, heat on demand, satellite radio, can be turned on and off by phone, remote entry and start, excellent Bose stereo, programmable charging schedule for reduced electricity rates, built in cell modem, quiet, 20k oil changes, can have flash upgrades and software updates while parked in the garage instead of going to the dealer, FREE fuel while working or at the local grocery (office has free chargers, the local LIBRARY has free chargers, Kohls and Whole Foods as well) and if you happen to need to keep driving for the next 500 miles on gasoline..sure…keep it under 70 mph and you get 55 mpg.

(http://imganuncios.mitula.net/2014_ford_fusion_energi_se_deep_impact_blue_metallic_in_escondido_california_4710008439842160948.jpg)


Trying to use a hammer to build a space shuttle is amusing, but when you want to get the job done, you do it right with the right tools.
Title: Folding Electric Scooters
Post by: RE on October 24, 2015, 01:34:37 PM
I am running out of preps to covet.  I can't think of anything really cool I don't already have, except of course the Seastead.  LOL.  That has to wait until I get my settlement and bennies.

So now I'm looking at Resilience and Improvements.

While my Ewz is great and fits in the SUV with the handlebars folded down, it's a bit heavy and bulky for taking on the current design of public transportation and airplanes.  So I am looking at more compact, lightweight folding units.

There are two problems with this.  First off some of the coolest ones are only prototypes, you can't find them for sale anywhere.  The ones you can find for sale are pretty pricy.  However, they are pretty cool units overall.

Here's one designed by some guy from MIT, who had a Taiwanese manufacturer interested back in 2008-9, but I don't think it ever got manufactured

(http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/gadgetlab/scooter.png)

This one is manufactured over in Europe, but it's ridiculously expensive coming in over $3K, plus shipping would be costly too.

(http://inhabitat.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/2013/09/Stigo-Electric-Scooter.jpg)

Another European model, this one is more of a full size unit you can drive on the street.  No price listed on this one I can find, and I am not sure it is even being manufactured.  You can get it with a 8000W motor, which will run this thing at close to highway speeds.

(http://static.technologicvehicles.com/news/2284/XOR_XO2%20(2).jpg)

My current leader is this one, the Urb-E.  Manufactured in Pasadena, CA, priced at around $1700.

(http://assets.inhabitat.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/2014/02/urbe-front-collapsed-17-.jpg)

Very lightweight and compact, with the Li-I batteries which by themselves are pricy.  I priced out replacing my SLA batteries with Li-I, around $750.  I can get 5 sets of SLA batteries for that price!

This unit would be small enough to get on and off buses, and good for cruising around Airports with long walks around the terminals.  I'd love to have one for my trip down to Seattle for another Medical Exam from All Wrong Insurance.

I'm considering trying to bring my current Ewz on this trip too.

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Title: Folding Electric Scooters: XO2 Video
Post by: RE on October 24, 2015, 09:53:35 PM
I WANT ONE OF THESE!

http://www.youtube.com/v/elpQqsii_-g

The only weird thing is they have some sort of "battery rental" agreement rather than a purchase of the battery.  I am guessing this is because the cost of the battery is so high that it would make the initial cost of the scooter so high most scooter buyers wouldn't pay it up front.  I priced out some 100AH LiI batts for my Ewz, which would bring the range up to about 100 miles.  I would need a modified battery comparment to fit them also.  $4200!!!!

Given that the XO2 also has a much more powerful electric motor (8Kw vs 1Kw for the Ewz), it would need to be even bigger than that for the kind of range they claim for it.  So I'm guessing the Battset itself is probably $6K.  Then there would be the issue of replacing that battset when it dies, since it is obviously designed specifically for this vehicle, it's not using generic batteries I don't think.  However, it would last me a long time since I wouldn't be travelling far or often on it, just around town here a couple of times a week on longer trips the Ewz doesn't have range for and is a bit on the slow side to go more than a couple of miles.

So you're talking $10K which is a rather hefty investment for a scooter, plus I'm not sure they will even ship outside of Europe or sell the batteries outright either.  I probably should just be satisified with the Ewz here.

But this thing sure is COOL!

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Title: Electric Scooter Regulations
Post by: RE on October 24, 2015, 10:10:37 PM
I also found out another detail on regulations for electric scooters.

Regardless of State Regulations, if a scooter has a motor 750W or less and goes no more than 15mph, it is not considered a "motor vehicle" but rather an "electric assist vehicle' and then does not need registration, insurance or drivers license.

This probably explains why the 1000W model I have is no longer being manufactured.

However, I doubt anyone around here knows these regulations precisely, so if I ever am stopped by the Gestapo I will just tell them it's an electric assist vehicle which doesn't go over 15 mph and skip over the power limit for the motor.

750W probably would have been good enough for the purposes I use the Ewz for, but a little extra power for climbing hills is good to have in reserve.

If I did actually buy the XO2, I would have to insure it and register it and have a motorcycle license to drive it also.  So that is a major downside as well.

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Title: EV Fallacies
Post by: RE on October 26, 2015, 07:23:09 PM
I sent an email inquiry about the XO2 off to their website over the weekend.  No response today to the inquiry.  I suspect they are outta-biz already.

This is like the Scooter designed by the MIT guy, which apparently never got off the ground in the first place after being demoed at trade shows for EVs.  There just is not a market big enough for these things, they can't get enough buyers for them to run even the small workshop type factories that some Inventor gets rolling on venture capital or on his own dime.  They can't get Goldman to do an IPO for them like Elon Musk to sell big ass EV SUVs that also will never get enough buyers to justify the cost of the factory to build them in.

The market even for ICE Scooters is tiny, despite the fact ICE Scooters get 90 mpg or even better sometimes.  While you still can buy a decent Used Car for $2000 and buy gas for $3/gallon, why on earth would you buy a scooter for $5-10K including the battery?

The only way these things become viable is first when you cannot even GET gas to fill your used car, AND the public transportation system gets designed in a way you can easily get them aboard buses and trains, and that is not going to happen either until gas is not available or is totally unaffordable, or both.

This is not going to happen either, because of the huge investment necessary to build a whole new fleet of EV Buses and Trains which also never will pay off on the investment, anymore than the original railroads did.

Going back in time, had we built small compact cities which people could mostly negotiate on foot or by bicycle or scooter, we might have been able to cut the energy usage required for transportation purposes by 50% or even more.  Then if we kept the population from ballooning up to 7.2B from 1B or so in 1800 we could have saved even more energy than that!

This was not to be however, because Homo Sap is no different than paramecium in a petri dish, yeast in a vat or the reindeer on St. Matthews Island.  We grow at exponential rates until the energy runs out to support that growth phase.  Then the population crashes.

Maybe after the crash the survivors will all tool around on Folding Electric Scooters powered by PV Panels on the roof of their Yurt, but somehow I doubt that.

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Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: Eddie on October 26, 2015, 08:24:21 PM
Maybe after the crash the survivors will all tool around on Folding Electric Scooters powered by PV Panels on the roof of their Yurt, but somehow I doubt that.

We will do it, and later it'll just be the stuff of legend.
Title: Ewz in the Snow!
Post by: RE on November 02, 2015, 03:16:33 PM
(http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/RE-Ezip.jpg)
We had our first decent snowfall last night, around 3".  We had a dusting before this a couple of weeks ago, but it melted off quickly.  This one hung around long enough to get the snow packed down on the tertiary roads, though it is already off secondary roads and hghways since they get so much traffic.

So, it was my first opportunity to drive the Ewz over to 3 Bears on a Prep Run in the SNOW!  :icon_sunny:

The route to 3 Bears is not long from my digs, about 1/4 Mile. I have to traverse the parking lot for the community carz, then the private road that leads into the community, before making it out to the Bike Path that runs parallel to a main secondary road here, the Palmer-Wasilla Highway.  Upon reaching 3 Bears, I then have to traverse their parking lot before entering the store on the Ewz.

The entire route was snow covered, mostly already packed down to iciness but some fluffy stuff too on the bike path.

In order to negotiate this safely, I reduced my average speed to about half, maybe averaging 6-7mph.  When on some long straight portions of the run however, I cranked up to full speed around 13mph.  I slowed down much more than usual for making turns, to about 3-4 mph, no more than walking speed.  I let my feet slide along the snow during most of these turns for extra security.  That way, if the Ewz slipped out from under me, I would still be on my feet and hopefully not take a bad fall and further injure the neck.  In my old motorcycle riding days, I had one occassion where I was riding on wet cobblestones by the West Side Highway around Columbia University in NY Shity, not going real fast maybe 20 mph and POOF the motorcycle just slipped out right from under me!  I only got a bloody knee from that one and the bike was OK, but I learned a lesson about motorcycles, which is that if your tires lose traction while you are leaning one way or the other the fucking thing can disappear right from under you in a heartbeat.  Even moving super slow on the Ewz, such a calamity would be a full on disaster for me now. QUADRAPLEGIA TIME!  So I need to be super careful on the slick surfaces.

Obviously, not riding on such surfaces altogether would be the safest thing to do, but I have to weigh that against my ability to do my normal weekly tasks of buying food, going to the mailbox to collect medical and lawyer bullshit and taking out the trash to put in the dumpster to be shipped to some landfill around here.  The Ewz makes it possible for a CRIPPLE like myself to do all these things and not have to live in some Assisted Care Facility at high expense to the taxpayers out there.  Not sure how well I could perform my Diner Admin tasks in an Assisted Care Facility either, so this would be bad newz all around.

We do have snow in the winter though here, and it must be negotiated by both healthy people and CRIPPLES like me.  So I have to take the risk, but just be as careful as I can be in doing so.  I wasn't too sure about how the Ewz would perform on Snow/Ice covered surfaces before this, but now I can say it is OK, just don't go real fast!  You also probably do not want to go on any steep inclines, but fortunately the incline between the digs and 3 Bears is not too big.

Temperature wise for the battery, we are right about freezing today and there did not seem to be any major loss of performance at this temperature.  The Ewz stays parked INSIDE my digs, so it stays nice and warm most of the time.  Even going slow, the trip to 3 Bears takes only about 10 minutes the most, so the Battset doesn't have a lot of time to catch a cold.  If I had a longer trip to make, I could use a Microwaveable Gel Heat Pack to keep the battery compartment warm.  It might get problematic at 20 Below, but Carz get problematic that cold too.  The advantage with the Ewz here is that you can keep it right inside your digs with you and keep it warm most of the time.

I expect now to be able to use the Ewz through most of the Alaska Winter except for on the very worst of cold days or blizzard conditions.  I will update on this as the winter progresses.

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Title: Re: Ewz in the Snow
Post by: Eddie on November 02, 2015, 03:30:08 PM
Two wheelers on ice? Guaranteed hard landing.

Dude, you're already in a neck brace. Fresh snow is one thing. Ice is quite another. Park the scooter and live.
Title: Re: Ewz in the Snow!
Post by: azozeo on November 02, 2015, 03:45:03 PM
(http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/RE-Ezip.jpg)
We had our first decent snowfall last night, around 3".  We had a dusting before this a couple of weeks ago, but it melted off quickly.  This one hung around long enough to get the snow packed down on the tertiary roads, though it is already off secondary roads and hghways since they get so much traffic.

So, it was my first opportunity to drive the Ewz over to 3 Bears on a Prep Run in the SNOW!  :icon_sunny:

The route to 3 Bears is not long from my digs, about 1/4 Mile. I have to traverse the parking lot for the community carz, then the private road that leads into the community, before making it out to the Bike Path that runs parallel to a main secondary road here, the Palmer-Wasilla Highway.  Upon reaching 3 Bears, I then have to traverse their parking lot before entering the store on the Ewz.

The entire route was snow covered, mostly already packed down to iciness but some fluffy stuff too on the bike path.

In order to negotiate this safely, I reduced my average speed to about half, maybe averaging 6-7mph.  When on some long straight portions of the run however, I cranked up to full speed around 13mph.  I slowed down much more than usual for making turns, to about 3-4 mph, no more than walking speed.  I let my feet slide along the snow during most of these turns for extra security.  That way, if the Ewz slipped out from under me, I would still be on my feet and hopefully not take a bad fall and further injure the neck.  In my old motorcycle riding days, I had one occassion where I was riding on wet cobblestones by the West Side Highway around Columbia University in NY Shity, not going real fast maybe 20 mph and POOF the motorcycle just slipped out right from under me!  I only got a bloody knee from that one and the bike was OK, but I learned a lesson about motorcycles, which is that if your tires lose traction while you are leaning one way or the other the fucking thing can disappear right from under you in a heartbeat.  Even moving super slow on the Ewz, such a calamity would be a full on disaster for me now. QUADRAPLEGIA TIME!  So I need to be super careful on the slick surfaces.

Obviously, not riding on such surfaces altogether would be the safest thing to do, but I have to weigh that against my ability to do my normal weekly tasks of buying food, going to the mailbox to collect medical and lawyer bullshit and taking out the trash to put in the dumpster to be shipped to some landfill around here.  The Ewz makes it possible for a CRIPPLE like myself to do all these things and not have to live in some Assisted Care Facility at high expense to the taxpayers out there.  Not sure how well I could perform my Diner Admin tasks in an Assisted Care Facility either, so this would be bad newz all around.

We do have snow in the winter though here, and it must be negotiated by both healthy people and CRIPPLES like me.  So I have to take the risk, but just be as careful as I can be in doing so.  I wasn't too sure about how the Ewz would perform on Snow/Ice covered surfaces before this, but now I can say it is OK, just don't go real fast!  You also probably do not want to go on any steep inclines, but fortunately the incline between the digs and 3 Bears is not too big.

Temperature wise for the battery, we are right about freezing today and there did not seem to be any major loss of performance at this temperature.  The Ewz stays parked INSIDE my digs, so it stays nice and warm most of the time.  Even going slow, the trip to 3 Bears takes only about 10 minutes the most, so the Battset doesn't have a lot of time to catch a cold.  If I had a longer trip to make, I could use a Microwaveable Gel Heat Pack to keep the battery compartment warm.  It might get problematic at 20 Below, but Carz get problematic that cold too.  The advantage with the Ewz here is that you can keep it right inside your digs with you and keep it warm most of the time.

I expect now to be able to use the Ewz through most of the Alaska Winter except for on the very worst of cold days or blizzard conditions.  I will update on this as the winter progresses.

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Can you outfit that little critter with a snow or water ski on the front wheel ?
Do those small tires have a stud option up there ?
Check into some kind of  body armor , elbow pads, etc ....
There are 2 kinds of bikers, those that have gone down & those that WILL go down.
Title: Re: Ewz in the Snow
Post by: RE on November 02, 2015, 04:11:42 PM
Two wheelers on ice? Guaranteed hard landing.

Dude, you're already in a neck brace. Fresh snow is one thing. Ice is quite another. Park the scooter and live.

There's enough snow cover in most spots to get decent traction.  Any spot that looks real icy and slick I go seriously slow.  I put my feet down and slide them on the surface.  If I take a fall, it wouldn't be any worse than a fall I took walking on said icy surface.  I'm not travelling at motorcycle speeds here.

Besides all that, I GOTTA LIVE!!!!  The Ewz is one of the last real pleasures I have these days.  It is wonderful for me to go out and cruise around on this thing.  If I am gonna die or end up quadraplegic because I fall, so be it.  You take your chances anytime you go out in your car, or ride your motorcyle at full speed on the highway too.  Your chances of ending up as a quadraplegic are probably just as good as mine if you do that.

People who live in Glass Houses should not throw stones.

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Title: Re: Ewz in the Snow
Post by: azozeo on November 02, 2015, 04:42:38 PM
Two wheelers on ice? Guaranteed hard landing.

Dude, you're already in a neck brace. Fresh snow is one thing. Ice is quite another. Park the scooter and live.

There's enough snow cover in most spots to get decent traction.  Any spot that looks real icy and slick I go seriously slow.  I put my feet down and slide them on the surface.  If I take a fall, it wouldn't be any worse than a fall I took walking on said icy surface.  I'm not travelling at motorcycle speeds here.

Besides all that, I GOTTA LIVE!!!!  The Ewz is one of the last real pleasures I have these days.  It is wonderful for me to go out and cruise around on this thing.  If I am gonna die or end up quadraplegic because I fall, so be it.  You take your chances anytime you go out in your car, or ride your motorcyle at full speed on the highway too.  Your chances of ending up as a quadraplegic are probably just as good as mine if you do that.

People who live in Glass Houses should not throw stones.

RE



Yeah,
When I built my motorized bicycle, I had a blast riding it around town.
You don't even need a license here in God's country to ride them.
Guy's with DUI's get around the law that way. Legal schmegal !
Title: Re: Ewz in the Snow
Post by: RE on November 02, 2015, 04:54:30 PM
Two wheelers on ice? Guaranteed hard landing.

Dude, you're already in a neck brace. Fresh snow is one thing. Ice is quite another. Park the scooter and live.

There's enough snow cover in most spots to get decent traction.  Any spot that looks real icy and slick I go seriously slow.  I put my feet down and slide them on the surface.  If I take a fall, it wouldn't be any worse than a fall I took walking on said icy surface.  I'm not travelling at motorcycle speeds here.

Besides all that, I GOTTA LIVE!!!!  The Ewz is one of the last real pleasures I have these days.  It is wonderful for me to go out and cruise around on this thing.  If I am gonna die or end up quadraplegic because I fall, so be it.  You take your chances anytime you go out in your car, or ride your motorcyle at full speed on the highway too.  Your chances of ending up as a quadraplegic are probably just as good as mine if you do that.

People who live in Glass Houses should not throw stones.

RE



Yeah,
When I built my motorized bicycle, I had a blast riding it around town.
You don't even need a license here in God's country to ride them.
Guy's with DUI's get around the law that way. Legal schmegal !

Federal Law is as long as the vehicle does not go faster than 15mph and the motor is 750W or less, it is not considered a Motor Vehicle, but rather an Electric Assist vehicle, which does not need license, registration or insurance.  This supercedes all state motor vehicle regulations.

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Title: Ewz Out of Mothballs!
Post by: RE on November 27, 2015, 04:06:39 AM
We had a break in the below freezing temps and had relatively warm (35F-40F) temps here over the last 3 days with Rain at my elevation.  The snow and ice collected over the last couple of weeks is now washed completely off the roads and bike paths.

I took the Ewz for a trip to the Dumpster to get rid of some of my waste from the last couple of days and send it to the Landfill.  No problem, the parking lot is completely clear of snow and ice.  Later today I will take the traditional trip over to 3 Bears for some food supplies.  I could use a couple of new fresh Green Peppers and an Onion for my Omelletes this week and I am running low on Cranberry Juice which is real good for keeping Gout symptoms down.

With luck it won't drop in temps and snow again for another couple of weeks and I will be able to use the Ewz through December.  I filled the tank of the SUV with gas last week at the current cheap prices, and I am hopeful to make it through to March without another fillup.  It only cost me around $25 to top it off last week.

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Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: RE on November 27, 2015, 02:39:03 PM
OK!  Nov 27th, and still able to use the Ewz for the 3 Bears Food Supply trip!  :icon_sunny:  Albeit with about a 2 week break while there was snow/ice in between me and 3 Bears where I hadda fire up the SUV.

Still getting steady rain at a strong drizzle level for about the 4th day in a row.  Must be a blizzard situation up in Hatcher's Pass.  Riding the Ewz in this level of rain not a problem, I just suited up for it with rain gear and gloves.  No balaclava necessary, not cold enough.

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Title: Ewz in the Cold!
Post by: RE on December 06, 2015, 07:02:07 PM
OK!

Just back from a Prep Run to 3 Bears.  Outside Temp 4F.

We had the melt off which brought the snow cover down to zero for a few days, now we have a light dusting again but not deep enough to affect the traction on the Ewz.  I tested first with a short run across the parking lot to the dumpster, no problem.

The main question was at such low temps, how would the batts function?  Would there be loss of power or speed?

Answer, at least for short trips under a mile as long as the Ewz was indoors and warm and fully charged, the performance characteristics don't change at all in frigid weather.  I can't say what would be true on longer trips where the Batt was out in the cold for an hour or longer.  My guess would be it would start losing power, but thing is I never take it on such long trips.  Longest is about 3 miles, and at top speed of 15 mph this takes around 12 minutes.  Then when I get to my destination, the Ewz comes right into the store with me, where it gets warmed back up prior to the return trip.  So it is never actually exposed to the cold for more than about 20 minutes at a stretch.

My prep runs are about 1 every 2 days for something I have run out of or need an ingredient for a recipe, food, beer or smokes are the main trips.  If I can use the Ewz 2X in a week and I have no other long errands to run like a post office or bank trip, then I go the whole week without using the SUV.  This is good from the point of not using gas, but it has a downside which is if I don't drive it and it's cold, the battery goes dead.  Then I have to charge it up to get going again.  I can't find my trickle charger since the move, I might go buy a new one.  My carport has an outlet so I can keep at least one of my cars charged without driving it.  The other one I have to park in guest parking, you only get one carport spot per unit.  I can run an extension cord over to the guest parking, but I can't leave that out all the time for a trickle charger.

Maintenance is a pain in the ass.  ::)

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Title: Ewz in the Snow!
Post by: RE on December 15, 2015, 11:47:05 AM
OK!  :icon_sunny:

Light dusting of snow on the ground, but decent Temps in the mid-20s F so I took the Ewz on a Prep Run to 3 Bears and she performed flawlessly!  Picked up some ground beef, mushrooms, smokes and brew!  :icon_sunny:

I took a Selfie after I got back to the digs safely!

RE Ewz Snow
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Title: Stigo Lightweight Folding Ewz
Post by: RE on March 23, 2016, 09:55:58 PM
I'm looking around for another Ewz to buy for when I come down to the lower 48.  I think I found the right one!


Advantages over my current Ewz:

Much lighter, only around 35 lbs.
Much better folding arrangement
Much easier to use with Public Transportation
Li-I Batt

Disadvantages:

Only 250W motor
No cargo capacity

Despite the low power motor, it claims speed and range similar to my current Ewz.

I'm not sure on the price yet, and what shipping issues there might be.  It's also not available yet, supposedly they will ship the first units in Spring 2016.  I put myself on the mailing list for when it comes available.

I'll go up to maybe $1500 for this one.

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Title: Re: Stigo Lightweight Folding Ewz
Post by: RE on March 24, 2016, 01:56:13 AM
Good Newz:

They got back to me promptly indicating this is actually a going concenrn.

Bad Newz:

$2000 for this device, not including shipping

Medium Newz:

Earliest shipping would be May or so.                                                                                                                           

I could go a lot cheaper than this for something similat though not so light in weight an easily foldable.  This will be a difficult decision.

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Title: The Languishing Ewz Market
Post by: RE on March 26, 2016, 05:26:34 PM
I have been researching new Ewz to buy when I make my trip down to the lower 48 this summer, when I get everything tied up here.

If you Google Folding Electric Scooters Adult (https://www.google.com/search?q=folding+electric+scooters+adult&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiZ6OSlwN_LAhVNyGMKHXdpAysQ_AUICCgC) and go to Images, you will find an ENORMOUS selection of models, some EXTREMELY cool in design.Some are small and light enough to be hand carried with one hand and great for taking with you on public transportation, others are larger and practically full blown scooters that can compete with gas powered ones on the roads, but still fold small enough to fit in your SUV.

What's the problem?  The problem is, just about every one of the really cool ones is a PROTOTYPE, reviewed by Gizmodo or some other tech website, but not in real production anywhere and impossible to buy.  Lots of folks are out there from China to Israel to Korea designing these things, but nobody can get them going in mass production.  They can't get enough people interested in buying them.

After using my current one for the last year, it boggles my mind that people can't see the value in these things.  Take Trucking for example.  If I had had my current Ewz with me on the road during the OTR years, my life would have been IMMEASURABLY improved.  Instead of being stuck at the Truckstop to eat the tomaine poisoned food,  I could have cruised to any restaurant in a 6 mile radius from the truckstop.  I could have gone to the movies, I could have ridden it to local parks to enjoy nature.

The amount of fuel that Soccer Moms would save is enormous, instead of chauffering around the kids to all their activities, the kids could ride there on their own on their Ewz.  We would need far fewer School Buses also, as kids within a 6 mile radius of the school could get there on their own.  12 miles if they can recharge the scooter during the school day.

Shopping in big warehouse style superstores like Home Depot is also WAY faster with one of these things, and it improves the Walmart shopping experience too!

The main problem of course is the Infrastructure of roads,  they're to slow and too vulnerable to car traffic to be safe on the roads, and lots of places don't have the bike paths that they are safe to drive on.  However, I certainly could have driven one safely around Manhattan staying on the sidewalks with the pedestrians, although I would have had to move no faster than the pedestrian traffic so it would not have given too much advantage in speed, just in distance and cargo carrying capacity.

That's another real big advantage with them when shopping.  Whereas on foot with maybe a shopping cart like I used to pull as a kid in NY Shity before my mom got a car, max I could pull was around 30 lbs, and it was slow walking getting home.  With an Ewz, I could have pulled 100 lbs in groceries and got home in half the time!

Of course they are not great in bad weather, but even around here it is not so bad as you think.  I was able to use the Ewz through most of the winter, there were only a smattering of days where it was impossible to use.  The worst type of climate for them would be one where you have regular rain, like Seattle for instance, but most of the time if it is just a drizzle decent rain gear protects you enough for the 10-15 minutes you might ride the thing around outside.  Cold is not problem, you dress for the weather just like if you are walking.  Snow if it is fresh and deep is an issue, but once packed down you can drive over that too.  I only had around 3 days this winter where snow proved too difficult to negotiate on the Ewz.

Right now when I make my trip to the Lower 48, I am planning on buying not 1 but TWO more Ewz, from units that I have found that seem to be available for retail purchase.  They aren't near as cool as some of the prototype units I have seen so far, but they should do the jobs I want them to do fairly well.

One is an Evo fairly similar to my current Curry unit, with an even bigger motor at 1600W that handles steeper hills and off road better because it develops more torque and comes with knobby off road tires.  I'll have that delivered to Eddie's place and leave it there to scoot around the Toothstead, and also take with me on Stealth Van reporting expeditions.

The other is a smaller more portable unit with smaller wheels that will be good for taking on Public Transportation and negotiating large airports and the like.  Also to throw in the trunk of any car or taxi when I don't have the stealth Van with me.

Total cost, $700 for the off road scooter, $400 for the Portable Unit.  Total $1100.  Way cheaper than a Tesla!  :icon_sunny:

I'll leave my current Ewz up here until I make the decision to move back to the Lower 48 to travel and do my Collapse Road Reporting.

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Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: Eddie on March 26, 2016, 05:33:13 PM
Motorized bikes have caught on here in the city proper. There are several shops. The bikes seem to be preferred here over the scooters.

http://www.electricavenuescooters.com (http://www.electricavenuescooters.com)

http://rocketelectrics.com (http://rocketelectrics.com)

http://www.alienscooters.com (http://www.alienscooters.com)
Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: RE on March 26, 2016, 05:58:26 PM
Motorized bikes have caught on here in the city proper. There are several shops. The bikes seem to be preferred here over the scooters.


Weather around there is more or less ideal for them.  I've looked at some of the bikes also, some pretty cool units there as well.  The bikes seem to be mainly "electric assist" though, and I'm not sure how fast they go or how good the torque is if you don't pedal along.

I'm also trying to keep my Hardware consistent and sticking with 36V motors and the same batt types and speed controllers and throttles, so this is interchangeable and I gain spares along with the new units.

What's the Bike Lane situation like around Austin, and what are their rules on electric bikes and scooters on the roads?

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Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: Eddie on March 26, 2016, 06:04:56 PM
Austin has a strong cycling community for historical reasons (Lance) and because it's good riding weather, terrain, etc. (if you like hills). Bike lanes are not as good as they could be. It's a constant struggle on the part of those who ride to get the city to do something. There are still lots of places with no bike lanes, and people get run over fairly frequently.

I know you don't have to have a motorcycle license for the smallest scooters, but I'm hazy on the letter of the law. I have a motorcycle license, so I never had to worry about it.
Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: RE on March 26, 2016, 06:39:44 PM
Austin has a strong cycling community for historical reasons (Lance) and because it's good riding weather, terrain, etc. (if you like hills). Bike lanes are not as good as they could be. It's a constant struggle on the part of those who ride to get the city to do something. There are still lots of places with no bike lanes, and people get run over fairly frequently.

I know you don't have to have a motorcycle license for the smallest scooters, but I'm hazy on the letter of the law. I have a motorcycle license, so I never had to worry about it.

I'm not so much concerned with drivers license as with whether you need to register and insure, and what the rules are for riding bikes and scooters on the roads themselves if bike lanes are not available.

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Title: STIGO Ewz: RE is on Schindler's List
Post by: RE on March 28, 2016, 02:55:45 AM
I am on the list of the first 500 people to get a STIGO if the thing actually gets into production.  According to the latest email, they are almost booked up now for the first run.

At the current Euro-Dollar exchange rate it runs around $2000, with the 20% Discount for being one of the first Guinea Pigs to buy it, it comes in at $1800, $300 over my limit but within reason to get something so cool.  :icon_sunny:

It appears to be being produced in Estonia, which is also interesting and means if the thing doesn't work right I am totally screwed. lol.

It runs on a 36V motor like my Ewz, but it is using LifePo batts that are proprietary, which means I probably will not be able to get them replaced too easily.  However, they have a very long lifespan if manufactured properly and I will only use this for very specific purposes when I need to use Public Transportation in combo with the Ewz.  So if it is manufactured decently, I would hope for it to last as long as I do.  Most of the time I will use my regular Ewz, or another one I buy that comes in somewhat cheaper and uses SLA Batts like my current Ewz.

Getting it shipped from Estonia to AK is probably a No-Go, but I should be able to get it shipped to Eddie in TX or K-Dog in Seattle for pickup. Shipping will probably run another $200 or so my WAG.  I'm a little concerned about the low power motor at only 250W, but for the purposes I would use this one on smooth pavement with no hills and inside airports and stores, it should work OK.  This also keeps it inside Federal Regulations for an Electric Assist Vehicle, which requires no license, registration or insurance.  Looking at the Video, the prototype seems to work pretty good on the Streets of Paris.  :icon_sunny:


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Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: Surly1 on March 28, 2016, 06:28:56 AM
That's a really nice design. Especially if you are a little guy.

Me, I couldn't even get one ass cheek on that thing.

But the fold-up idea is just terrific.
Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: RE on March 28, 2016, 07:02:03 AM
That's a really nice design. Especially if you are a little guy.

Me, I couldn't even get one ass cheek on that thing.

But the fold-up idea is just terrific.

You don't need to get your ass cheeks on it. The seat wedges in there between them and you sit on your asshole.  :icon_sunny:  You can have asscheeks the size of beachballs on steroids, they just hang off either side.  lol.

The bigger issue is weight, if the load this motor (250W) is pulling is over 200 lbs it will struggle some even on a flat and smooth surface.  I really wish they had dropped at least a 500W motor on it.  My current Ewz has a 1000W motor, and this sucker will pull along 300 lbs total weight no problem even on a 20% grade, I tested it by loading weight on my rear carrier.  I weigh in at 165, so I can carry a lot of cargo.  If you are 200+, you can't carry so much along.

The quasi-off road unit I am looking at has a 1600W motor, that one should be able to pull up a 30% grade.  This unit however is just for the flats and for scooting around town and through stores.  It would work I think for anyone under around 250 lbs in beef on bone.  Are you past that?

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Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: agelbert on March 28, 2016, 01:04:39 PM
That's a really nice design. Especially if you are a little guy.

Me, I couldn't even get one ass cheek on that thing.

But the fold-up idea is just terrific.

You don't need to get your ass cheeks on it. The seat wedges in there between them and you sit on your asshole.  :icon_sunny:  You can have asscheeks the size of beachballs on steroids, they just hang off either side.  lol.

The bigger issue is weight, if the load this motor (250W) is pulling is over 200 lbs it will struggle some even on a flat and smooth surface.  I really wish they had dropped at least a 500W motor on it.  My current Ewz has a 1000W motor, and this sucker will pull along 300 lbs total weight no problem even on a 20% grade, I tested it by loading weight on my rear carrier.  I weigh in at 165, so I can carry a lot of cargo.  If you are 200+, you can't carry so much along.

The quasi-off road unit I am looking at has a 1600W motor, that one should be able to pull up a 30% grade.  This unit however is just for the flats and for scooting around town and through stores.  It would work I think for anyone under around 250 lbs in beef on bone.  Are you past that?

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:emthup: :icon_sunny: Thank you for that excellent real world info on electric motors.

I've been reading up on it lately and it turns out there is a whole subculture of electric bike hot rodders out there goosing their motors with ever more powerful batteries.

The larger the motor, the bigger the battery pack you need to get the same range at the rated wattage of the motor. But electric bike hot rodders don't care. They just want to make a fool of some fossil fueler driving an internal combustion powered sports car at a stop light!

These "over clocked" (they sort of do the same thing to bike electric motors as gamers do to computers.  ;D) electric bikes WILL go zero to sixty in a VERY short amount of time. At any rate, since they are so light compared with a car, they disappear from a stop light before the gas guzzler knows what hit him! (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/4fvfcja.gif)

Of course they race each other too.  8)
Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: RE on March 28, 2016, 03:33:48 PM
That's a really nice design. Especially if you are a little guy.

Me, I couldn't even get one ass cheek on that thing.

But the fold-up idea is just terrific.

You don't need to get your ass cheeks on it. The seat wedges in there between them and you sit on your asshole.  :icon_sunny:  You can have asscheeks the size of beachballs on steroids, they just hang off either side.  lol.

The bigger issue is weight, if the load this motor (250W) is pulling is over 200 lbs it will struggle some even on a flat and smooth surface.  I really wish they had dropped at least a 500W motor on it.  My current Ewz has a 1000W motor, and this sucker will pull along 300 lbs total weight no problem even on a 20% grade, I tested it by loading weight on my rear carrier.  I weigh in at 165, so I can carry a lot of cargo.  If you are 200+, you can't carry so much along.

The quasi-off road unit I am looking at has a 1600W motor, that one should be able to pull up a 30% grade.  This unit however is just for the flats and for scooting around town and through stores.  It would work I think for anyone under around 250 lbs in beef on bone.  Are you past that?

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:emthup: :icon_sunny: Thank you for that excellent real world info on electric motors.

I've been reading up on it lately and it turns out there is a whole subculture of electric bike hot rodders out there goosing their motors with ever more powerful batteries.

The larger the motor, the bigger the battery pack you need to get the same range at the rated wattage of the motor. But electric bike hot rodders don't care. They just want to make a fool of some fossil fueler driving an internal combustion powered sports car at a stop light!

These "over clocked" (they sort of do the same thing to bike electric motors as gamers do to computers.  ;D) electric bikes WILL go zero to sixty in a VERY short amount of time. At any rate, since they are so light compared with a car, they disappear from a stop light before the gas guzzler knows what hit him! (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/4fvfcja.gif)

Of course they race each other too.  8)

Larger motors pull more juice IF you run them at their maximum wattage, but you don't do that in most circumstances.  The larger the motor, the less of its capacity you generally are using.  So in practical terms, my 1000W Ewz has the same range as the model that comes with a 500W motor on typical terrain and road surface with the same battset.  The difference is in the torque it can generate when needed for going up steeper hills or pulling more weight.  It's good to have the spare capacity.

You can get more speed out of them in a couple of ways, first is to just disable the speed controller.  Then a unit like mine would probably do 30mph pretty easily.  You can also safely over-volt a motor of its designed voltage by about 50%, so I could go as high as 54V on a 36V motor, or really 48V to be safe with one more 12V batt wired in series.

However, I am not concerned with going much faster, I just want the TORQUE available to pull a trailer with 150 lbs of preps on it, including a folding solar panel with which to charge it up when not in range of grid power.

With my current unit, I could probably pull 80 lbs of preps or groceries along with a trailer coming in around 20 lbs.  I never buy 80 lbs of groceries at once.  Of course these days, a grocery trip at most comes back with 20 lbs at a time, but I'd like one that could pull more in the situation where I travelled less often and brought back more at once from the food supply depot.  So I am looking at a 1600W Evo which runs around $700.

There is a good reason to stay at 750W and under, which is Federal Regulations that supercede State Motor Vehicle laws.  By Federal Statute, electric vehicles which do no more than 15mph with motors 750W and under are considered "electric assist vehicles" and do not require license, registration, inspection or insurance.  You are completely free of the bureaucracy!

A 750W Ewz over most terrain will be able to carry a total payload around 240 lbs.  For me at 165 lbs, this means on such a scooter with no trailer I could load another 75 lbs of cargo.  On my current unit, I have a Front Basket, 2 rear pannier folding baskets and the carrier the baskets hook to.  Also I can use the Platform for bigger heavier items, that is where I put a case of beer when I go on a beer run.  :icon_sunny:  Finally, I could wear a backpack as well for more cargo capacity, but you really don't need it.

The rated range for the battsets is usually 12-15 miles depending on terrain and load, but with one battset I would keep my round trip range with no recharge to 10 miles to be safe.  However, I have a second spare battset I can take with me for longer trips.  That weighs in at around 20 lbs, so cargo capacity is reduced by that much if I carry it.  However, I never do these days, because I don't go more than a couple of miles each way for any trips with it.  If I am going further than that, I use the SUV.  I can of course also throw the Ewz into the SUV to use wherever I drive to.

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Title: RE's Future Super-Duper Off Road Ewz (maybe...)
Post by: RE on May 14, 2016, 08:28:19 PM
I have FOUND the perfect Off Road Ewz!  :icon_sunny:    Made (mostly) here in the FSoA in WV.  I will take a tour of their factory when I fly down to the lower 48 this summer.

(http://d2r42o2f7hk334.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/zev-6100.jpg)

Excellent power and range, up to 58 mph with around a 70 mile range on a charge.  Plenty of cargo capacity on the heavy duty frame with good towing capacity.

Only two things are negatively weighing on the decision to buy one, and they are inter-related.

1- Price: Around $8500, and with taxes and other fees probably comes in at $10K.  That's a lot to spend on such a toy.

2- Do I really NEED this toy? ???  :icon_scratch:   It would be nice for longer trips around once my campsite is set up so I wouldn't have to drive the van and could leave it parked most of the time.  I also could carry more Gold off AZ's mountain!  ;D

In reality though, I can use the van for resupply trips around town quite easily, and my current Ewz is quite sufficient for tooling around any destination I park the van at.  It also needs registration and insurance to be street legal.  Overall, I probably would not use it all that much, it adds extra overhead costs and substantial bulk and weight to my trailer (it comes in around 400 lbs).  It also would be something of a bear getting it in and out of the trailer, I would need to devise some sort of winching arrangement for that.  So there are serious logistical problems to consider.

It sure is COOL though, and I WANT it! lol.

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Title: Colony Days Festival-AKebikes
Post by: RE on June 10, 2016, 01:50:07 AM
(http://idlewildalaska.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/colonydays1-668x349.jpg)

This is the weekend of the Colony Days Festival (http://www.palmerchamber.org/events/colony-days.html) held annually in Palmer, Alaska.

It opens tomorrow and runs through Sunday, and the Parade is held on Saturday.

In prior years I have marched (or more often drove the float truck) for the gyms I worked for up here.  In the years I did not drive the float, I either rode my bike or used my Ewz right after I first got it in 2014.  I missed the Parade last year, I was in the worst period of my neck issues at the time.  :(

I am particularly excited about this year's Colony Days, because one of the Expos is for a NEW COMPANY based in my home town of Palmer, Alaska e-bikes (http://akebike.com/).

(http://akebike.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/20150622_165446_RichtoneHDR.jpg)

It was founded last year, and I am pretty sure I know the guys who founded it, it's a couple of young guys who work in the Bike Shop in Palmer.  One of them worked on my Ewz last year (nothing big, flat tire replacement) and mentioned to me they were thinking of going into the Electric Bike market.

I will be hitting their Booth as well as others, and will do Interviews and take Pics & Vids as usual, cruising around myself on the Ewz.  I am going to talk to them about ideas I have for improving on these devices, and possibly investing in and joining the company.  I believe this is an excellent possibility for developing a Revenue Stream for SUN☼.

The weather tomorrow looks good, so I will try to get my interviews done and shoot pics.  I am concerned about weather for the Parade on Saturday, forecast calls for rain.  If it is a light drizzle (the usual on rainy days around here)  I'll do the Parade and Video, but I am not going to cruise around in a downpour.

I won't make the festival on Sunday, I am scheduled to go over the Renewable Energy Survey with Ugo and Gail on the Collapse Cafe.  The Diner is a never-ending job!  :icon_sunny:

More tomorrow after I get back from the festival.  As usual at these things, I gorge on Deep Fried Halibut and I usually need to nap after eating so much greasy food, so it might be late in the evening. lol.

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-JML7HM10x-4/U_uuubA77uI/AAAAAAAAJ6I/xmOx44FLRZ4/s1600/IMG_4343.jpg)

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Title: Re: Colony Days Festival-AKebikes
Post by: RE on June 10, 2016, 08:40:13 PM
(http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Ewz-Klondike-Mike.jpg)

Very productive first meeting with the Alaska e-Bikes guys!  :icon_sunny:

Not the folks I though it was from the Palmer Bike Shop, but similar age range, late 20s.  Mountain Bike enthusiasts mainly, as many AK bikers are.

They are mainly selling Fat Tire bikes that are ideal in the off road conditions we have here, and thus useful for the Outdoor Adventure types.  However, they have numerous models with tires of normal width more suitable for riding on pavement.

Most of these bikes are "power assist", you do have to pedal them.  However, the power assist makes it MUCH easier, especially on hills where you can ride uphill as easily as on flat ground.

We did a video discussing the Legal aspects of these bikes with respect to DMV regulations, and all the ones he is selling skirt these laws nicely.  :icon_sunny:  So there is no insurance, no license, no inspection and no registration necessary.  I'll put up the video when I write up the full article after Colony Days Festival is over.

Here are a couple of Feature Models which are real good for Cargo:

(http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Ewz-Fat-tire-trailer.jpg)

This model is custom built by one of the engineers working with the group.  I didn't meet him yet, he's in transit on the Al-Can pulling his whole shop up on a trailer.  He's moving here from Oregon to join the bizness.  He should make it here by tomorrow afternoon.

(http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Ewz-Tandem-Long-Cargo.jpg)

This model is Off-the-Shelf and can function either as a Tandem for 2 people or as  Cargo Bike with the very long rear rack.  Both rear seat and rear handlebars are easily removed for cargo work.

The one weakness in these bikes IMHO is their motor wattage, generally 500W, half my Ewz power.  However, there are two different types of motor arrangements, mid-placement and Hub Motors.  With the mid-placed motors, you can use the bikes mechanical gearing system, and long as you properly choose the gear in a hill climb, even though the motor torque is not as high as my Ewz, they will climb just about any hill.  Basically according to Chris, you will flip over backwards before you hit a hill they won't climb.  We're talking 45 degrees or more here.

Currently they are not dealing in Scooters, and that is where I come in.  If we go forward, I will develop the Scooter end of the Bizness (and finance it).  The good parts here are first they have resolved most of the shipping issues using a freight forwader in Seattle and Lynden shipping, which is the biggest trucking biz in Alaska.  Second, they have two warehouses, one here in Palmer and they just leased a new space in Anchorage too.

Tomorrow I will ride my Ewz in the Parade as part of the Electric Bike convoy.  :icon_sunny:  I'll get some more video of that for the article.

Very exciting!  :icon_sunny:

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Title: RE: Ewz KING!
Post by: RE on June 13, 2016, 06:47:03 PM
I have had replies from a few of my favorite manufacturers of a variety of 2 and 3 wheeled Ewz far as becoming a Distributor and Retailer of their products, and they are uniformly POSITIVE.  :icon_sunny:  None of them as of yet have broken into the Alaska Recreational Vehicle Market, which is large against the population base.

I am not sure now if I want to partner up with the guys from Alaska E-bikes or strike out on my own here. ???  :icon_scratch:

Still a lot of mechanics to work out on this, but it could turn into a very solid revenue stream for SUN☼    :icon_sunny:

This is the model Ewz I think has the best potential in the Alaska Market for the Hunters and Fishermen.

(http://zelectricvehicle.com/resources/PICT0016+011WebsiteRed.jpg)

Depending what battset you fit it out with and what the motor configuration is, it has up to 140 miles of range on a charge with a max speed of 78mph.  The Frame is a dual configuration for extra rigidity and durability off-road.  Far superior to conventional 4-wheelers because it is almost completely SILENT and no exhaust odor for the Moose to pick up on.

I should be able to get started in this Biz for around $30K.  I am going to fit out my Van-Trailer arrangement as a Mobile Showroom with around 5 or 6 different models of e-bikes and scooters in different price ranges and styles.

Many details still to be worked out and of course I need my Check from the Settlement to get going, but this looks like the perfect Bizness for me to run in conjunction with the Diner and SUN☼ to help the Poor and develop Sustainable Living Systems!  :icon_sunny:

BIG BONUS is I will have Demo Models to cruise around on!  :icon_sunny:

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Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: Palloy on June 13, 2016, 06:58:11 PM
Bigger wheels, please.
And panniers, or a trike with a decent lockable box, would be nice too.
Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: RE on June 13, 2016, 07:05:10 PM
Bigger wheels, please.
And panniers, or a trike with a decent lockable box, would be nice too.

Don't worry, if I hook up on this I will be selling the manufacturers on those modifications for the product line.  :icon_sunny:

Before the Trike design though I will see if I can have a matching powered trailer with a lockable box built for the two wheelers.

Panniers and Cargo Capacity already available on the 2700 design for around town shopping and deliveries.

(http://zelectricvehicle.com/resources/ZEV+2700$2C+cargo+load+wb.jpg)

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Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: Eddie on June 14, 2016, 05:35:50 AM
Nice looking scooter. The biggest hassle would be warranty work.
Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: RE on June 14, 2016, 11:52:33 AM
Nice looking scooter. The biggest hassle would be warranty work.

Unlike gas powered motorcycles and scooters, these are very EZ to work on.  They are designed so that you can swap out motors, batteries and controller just by unbolting a few bolts.  There are no chains, no belts, no gears etc.  If a motor goes bad, they ship you a new motor straight from the factory.

Here's one of their S-seroes Motorcycles

(http://zelectricvehicle.com/resources/ZEV+M13+left+side+wb.jpg)

When we go visit Surly you'll have to come visit the factory with me and take a few test drives!

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Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: Eddie on June 14, 2016, 12:04:33 PM
Sounds like a lot of fun. I've seen a few of the S-Zero motorcycles for sale on the used market here, in the 4K range. Tempting, but not something I really need.
Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: RE on June 14, 2016, 12:21:14 PM
Sounds like a lot of fun. I've seen a few of the S-Zero motorcycles for sale on the used market here, in the 4K range. Tempting, but not something I really need.

I'm not interested in the motorcycles either.

However, one of the T-series Scooters would be great to have on the stead to tool around on, chase after loose piggies etc.

They have lot's of good cargo options available and I'm gonna have them add a hitch for a small trailer.

(http://zelectricvehicle.com/resources/PICT0032+027websiteRed.jpg)

(http://zelectricvehicle.com/resources/DSCN0403+008web.jpg)

For the stead you don't need a lot of range or speed so you could go for the T-5100 which does up to 50mph with a range of 35 miles at full power and 63 miles at 65% power. $7800 new.

They also produce work trikes

This one has a dumping bed and a 500kg payload capacity.

(http://zelectricvehicle.com/resources/ZEV+work+trike+with+dump+bed.jpg)

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Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: Eddie on June 14, 2016, 12:30:10 PM
That last one looks like a useful piece of equipment.
Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: RE on June 14, 2016, 12:37:54 PM
That last one looks like a useful piece of equipment.

I knew I could hook you with something.  :icon_sunny:

Perfect for hauling around hay bales, pig feed, bags of cement, your portable solar power system etc.

They will also work with you for custom designs.  Their technology is FABULOUS.  Best motor configuration I've seen.  It's a company started by a bunch of aerospace engineers.

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Title: More Bike Porn
Post by: jdwheeler42 on June 21, 2016, 12:34:49 PM
(http://www.rootsimple.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/4889114140_df4812f344.jpg)
http://www.rootsimple.com/2016/06/the-most-attractive-cargo-bike-in-the-world/ (http://www.rootsimple.com/2016/06/the-most-attractive-cargo-bike-in-the-world/)

Okay, it's not electric so it doesn't quite belong in this thread but I didn't see a more appropriate one....
Title: Taga 2.0 Family Bicycle (with Electric Option)
Post by: jdwheeler42 on July 30, 2016, 09:58:49 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9d_1ur2vIA# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9d_1ur2vIA#)
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/taga-2-0-the-ultimate-most-affordable-family-bike-baby#/ (https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/taga-2-0-the-ultimate-most-affordable-family-bike-baby#/)
Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: Eddie on July 30, 2016, 10:20:30 AM
Post links.
Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: jdwheeler42 on July 30, 2016, 10:50:05 AM
Post links.
Whoops, sorry... https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/taga-2-0-the-ultimate-most-affordable-family-bike-baby#/ (https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/taga-2-0-the-ultimate-most-affordable-family-bike-baby#/)
Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: Palloy on July 30, 2016, 05:39:31 PM
That's neat - I'm not so sure about the crash resistance with your kids in it though.  I would prefer a rain-proof lockable cargo box.
Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: RE on July 30, 2016, 05:55:53 PM
That's neat - I'm not so sure about the crash resistance with your kids in it though.  I would prefer a rain-proof lockable cargo box.

ZEV will customize their Trikes & Scooters how you like.  You can have lockable cargo box, passenger seating, whatever.  Also wide variety of power and range options.

(http://www.environmentfriendlystore.com/images/products/electric-tricycle1.jpg)

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Title: Ewz SLA Batt Update and the SUN☼ Convacation in Inman, SC
Post by: RE on August 03, 2016, 07:15:11 PM
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I am about halfway through the second summer with the original Battset for the Ewz, which consists of 3 10 AH 12V deep cycle Sealed Lead Acid (SLA) Batts wired in series for 36V.  In theory, this battset will drive the Ewz at a maximum speed of around 15mph for 1 hour on a single charge.  So the theoretical range then on it is 15 miles, unless you carry a second battset, which I have but have never had to use.

As it appears now, the battset hasn't lost any of it's power or charging capability and will certainly last the rest of this year, and probably well into next also.  However, I do not put anywhere near the capacity mileage on it every day, my use for it is mainly Grocery Shopping.  My main grocery store 3 Bears is only around 1/2 mile from my front door, and then while shopping inside the store on the Ewz because it is a very large warehouse type food store I probably put on a mile inside the store.  The other daily uses for the Ewz are to go to pick up my mail from the various lawyers, social security, my Union Pension, electric and gas bill, junk mail etc and then take the daily trash to the dumpster where it will be deposited in some formerly pristine location here in the Matanuska-Susitnat River Valley.  So all together, no more than about 5 miles/day, only 1/3rd the capacity of this Battset.

I have only run the Ewz to capacity on a few occassions.  First when I first got it, I took it on a park circuit around 1.5 miles around for as many trips as I could before the charge indicator went on RED permanently, about 7 trips as I recall.  So that was over 10 miles continuous use full out.  Then on a couple of parades I used it most of the day intermittently, probably putting on total around the same distance.  Generally though for typical daily use, 5 miles is average.

This is ALSO about the same mileage you would put on using it for the "Last Mile" to a light rail or bus station from your McMansion to get to work, then again on the other end when you go from the terminus of the journey to your workplace.  I can in fact bring the Ewz on the Valley Mover bus which goes down to Anchorage for a $10 round trip, which is about 1/2 what it costs in gas to make this trip.  However, even with the lift on the bus, my Ewz are rather heavy and a bit of a pain to get on an off the bus, it is not a real good design on the lift for this sort of thing.  More built for wheelchairs.  There are however more compact Ewz vehicles which are lighter and fold better though, but no real perfect one yet in production.  I am working with a manufacturer to try and get one designed.

All in all, for this type of use, I don't really see the need for Elon Musk's "powerwall" Li-I batts.  The SLA's are perfectly serviceable and a LOT cheaper.  There are also all the Car Batts out there that can be recycled to make these batts without doing a lot more mining.

For the SUN☼ Sustainability Park ™ which we hope to build in Inman, SC, small electric scooters and trikes will be the means for visitors to travel around the park.  No ICE vehicles will be allowed within the park perimeter.  EV Vans, Buses and Trucks will be used to bring park visitors from the "old world" of fossil fuel based life to the "new world" of renewable energy based life.  The park is designed to be a self-sufficient as possible, although obviously to build it we will need to import a lot of stuff from the Industrial Economy with a lot of embedded FF energy in it.  However, once built, it should last a century, if built to the specifications I have laid out, and then after that should be able to sustain at a lower energy throughput for another century. This is what I am going to Inman to sell to the Movers & Shakers in this community. This is what I am spending my Workman's Compensation settlement on.   If I can sell it to them, I can sell it to other small communities.

Whether I succeed or fail, this is how I will finish out my life.  Wish me luck.  As I wrote to the Chamber of Commerce in my proposal letter...

"BUILD IT, AND THEY WILL COME TO INMAN"

(http://divahound.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/large-field-of-dreams-blu-ray5.jpg)

RE
Title: Scooter Solutions!
Post by: RE on September 04, 2016, 02:04:17 AM


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While I am well aware that there are many Kollapsniks out there who think the situation we are in is irretrievably HOPELESS, I am not one of those depressing nihilists.  I continue to look for solutions, which even if not implemented on the grand scale might be implemented on small scale to maintain some semblance of modern living a while longer.  At least as long as I expect to live anyhow, maybe another 10 years?  After that, the question of how to transition and adapt is no longer my problem, it is the problem of the people still left after I buy my ticket to the Great Beyond.  Meanwhile though, while I am still above ground level walking the earth, I can try to Save As Many As I Can.



So in this episode today, I am going to talk about the transportation problem and the reliance on automobiles for everyone to drive around, doing the daily shopping, getting the kids to school and activities, commuting to work, etc.



http://www.worldincbook.com/images/illus_ch04_trafficjam.jpg Automobiles are really marvelous devices, and I own several of them.  All old used vehicles bought on the cheap and rarely driven these days, but I do own them.  They are indespensible with the current infrastructure we live in to get certain tasks done.  The problem of course with the carz is they are tremendously consumptive of energy and they emit tons of CO2 all the time, which is not doing wonders for the atmosphere or ocean pH levels either.  The traffic jams are no fun either. So they are doing a lot of damage, and if we could reduce our dependency on them, then that extends out our time in transitioning down to a lower per capita energy future.



My solution to this particular problem came as a result of serendipity, it was not something I thought of in advance.  A few years ago even prior to my neck injury, Peripheral Artery Disease (PAD) was making it difficult to walk long distances, much less keep up with my gymmies when out for a run to develop cardio-vascular fitness.  So I bought a small electric scooter to be able to keep up.  It wasn't EZ to get up to Alaska either because of various Hazmat regulations regarding batteries, but I did get it up here with some creative shipping methods.



At first before the neck injury it was mainly a recreational type toy and not used too often.  I rode it in a couple of parades and took the gymmies out for a run a few times.  Today though, it is an indespensible device that increases my mobility, and not only that saves me a huge amount of money on gas for the carz.  It has more than paid for itself over the last 2 years.



So, scooters like this are great for cripples like me, but might they not have a much wider applicability?  I think they could be so useful, and cut total energy consumption by half or even more without a huge change in lifestyle otherwise.



http://tw.on.cc/tw/bkn/cnt/finance/20160220/photo/bkntw-20160220214423310-0220_04311_001_01b.jpg?20160220234119 These devices are far different than the Teslas that Elon Musk is snake-o‎il selling at the moment on gobs of debt money issued by Wall Street.  Those vehicles are basically replicas of an ICE powered car, just they use an electric power plant instead, with the energy stored in batteries rather than in distilled petroleum products like gasoline and diesel.  Their size and weight is approximately the same as a conventional car, so they take the same amount of energy to accelerate and to overcome wind and internal resistance.  That energy generally still comes from fossil fuel powered thermoelectric plants, which might be slightly more efficient burning the fuel, but not that much after transmission losses, battery storage losses and so forth.  The problem here is that driving around such a big hunk of metal, plastic and glass all the time is a HUGE energy waster and thoroughly unecesary for the typical tasks you do each day.



Really, do you need to move around 2000 lbs just to go to the convenience store to buy some milk?  Do you need it to get to work and then leave it in the parking lot all day, and then sit in traffic on the way home too?  Do Soccer Moms really need to function as taxi drivers for their kids to get them from school to their various activities?



In contrast to a 2000 lb car, my current scooter weighs only 90 pounds.  It runs on 3 typical 12V 10AH batteries which give it a range of about 15 miles.  As opposed to Elon Musk's even cheapest Tesla, instead of costing $30,000, it cost $600.  A full new Battset for it costs $150, as opposed to a new Battset for a Tesla which goes for over $5000.



What can I do with this scooter?  Well first off my main use for it these days is to do all my food shopping, as the picture heading the article and this one indicate.



Scooter-Shopping-Nuts



Not only can I ride it to the store to shop for food, I can actually ride it right INTO the store and do my shopping! 🙂 Because of that, I can actually do the whole food shopping expedition in less time than it would take me to drive my car there, park, walk around the store and then drive back home and park again and take the groceries from the car inside the digs.



How much food can I load up on the scooter?  Well normally I only buy bits at a time, so I don't load it up, but if I really wanted to I could drop about 100 lbs of food on to it.  I have panniers for the back as well as the basket on the front, and I can put a case of beer no problem on the bottom platform.  Shopping with it once a week, I would have no problem feeding a family of four.



What about the Soccer Mom issue?  Well, instead of mom driving around the Minivan to get the school for pickup and then driving the kids to activities, the kids do this THEMSELVES on their scooters!  Anybody above the age of 10 or so who can ride a bicycle safely can ride one of these safely, at least as long as there are Bike Paths for them to do it on and not be out in the car traffic.



http://nb9.stumbleupon.netdna-cdn.com/kky7EkGxff1EnyyTdTg6MA These kids can then ALSO ride the scooters to school, reducing the total number of School Buses you need for a given population.  Long as the school is within 5 miles of where your McMansion is, the scooter will get the kid to school inside around 20 minutes or so, at the Federally mandated max speed of 15 mph for such devices currently.  That is way faster than the school bus with all the stops it has to make for individual pickups.



What about Work Commuters?



The biggest problem for work commutes is the "Last Mile" on either end off a Light Rail, Subway or Bus system.  If you live out in the suburbs, your McMansion is probably 2-5 miles away from the nearest light rail station.  So you gotta drive to the station, park your car for the day, get on the train and then when you get to the other end you still might have 2-5 miles to cover to get to the workplace, which you would need a cab or bus to cover.



https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/57/Interior_of_a_WES_Commuter_Rail_train.jpg/220px-Interior_of_a_WES_Commuter_Rail_train.jpg The scooter solves this problem on BOTH ends, as long as you can take it on the train.  Ride the scooter from home to the station, bring it on the train, get off the train and ride it to the workplace!  Think of the vast reduction in traffic problems you would get doing this, and the concurrent energy savings!   Of course, you would need to redesign the cars and provide more of them to be able to accomodate the scooters, especially on really packed commuter lines.



There are other ways beyond the trains you could do this on smaller scale.  Use one with a 16 passenger van pulling a 15' Trailer to load the scooters on to.  Everybody in your area going to a given location the van goes to loads up in the morning, the van drives to a central location for everybody and then they drive their scooters to work.  Now instead of 16 carz on the road, you have only one 16 passenger van!  It could even still be ICE powered and the energy savings would still be enormous, but also vans are amongst the easiest things to convert to electric themselves because of their design.  Plenty of room for batteries, no problem there.



The biggest complaint I get when pitching this idea is the WEATHER problem.  Rain, Snow, Cold etc.



http://pix.avaxnews.com/avaxnews/f3/c1/0000c1f3_medium.jpeg Well folks, remember where I live. ALASKA! lol.  Yes, there are some days that I do not venture out on the scooter because it is too wet, snowy or rainy.  Never because it is too cold, you just dress for the weather there.  In terms of total number of days in the last year that riding the scooter was if not impossible (forget 6" of fresh snow, I tried it just bogs down and doesn't GO) just real unpleasant and not worth trying, MAYBE it was 30 days worth.  In areas of the country where it hardly ever rains or snows like Sunny California, I can't imagine more than 10 days you couldn't ride.



However, you still would want to have Backup Plans for days that the scooters are impractical.  Easiest there is just to have an old car like I do.  When the weather sucks, I just use the car instead of the scooter.  However the total amount of driving miles each year on the car tires is enormously reduced, an order of magnitude here.  I used to spend 10X the amount of money on gas each year I do now.



https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/eb/Fietsstrook_Herenweg_Oudorp.jpg The next big problem/complaint is the infrastructure necessary here.  These scooters travelling as slow as they do are NOT SAFE to be riding along with car traffic!  They need separate Bike Paths to operate on.  I am fortunate in that where I live has such a bike path, but for these things to be used ubiquitously, the road setup would need to be modified in most places.  A simple way to do it would be to just put a Barrier on current roads separating the carz from the scooterz.  Since there would be fewer carz on the road, you wouldn't need so many lanes for them.  This solution only works for multi-lane roads though.



For single lane roads, you would need to cut a parallel bike path in order to keep the scooters separate from the carz.  However, in generally quiet suburban communities, you can ride relatively safely on the road as long as the car speeds are regulated down to around 25 mph.



So, obviously such a transition cannot be made in all places simultaneously, but if we get the process underway making this transition, just tons of energy can be conserved this way.  If we halve the amount of fossil fuels we use each day, we double the time we have to ween ourselves off of this addiction.  It is the CHOICE of every community whether they wish to do this.  Later this month I travel to South Carolina to try and get one town to begin this effort with the SUN☼ Foundation.



Build it, and they will COME!






 


Title: Ewz Spare Battset Reconditioned!
Post by: RE on May 16, 2017, 03:35:08 AM
More Good Newz!  :icon_sunny:

My spare battset for the Ewz had been experiencing weird dropouts, where you would drive for a few minutes, then it would just turn off and go blank.  Wait a couple minutes with it off, turn on the machine again, it worked for a few more minutes, then rinse and repeat.  It got me home, but this is not confidence building for a cripple who might have to push it home on swollen legs.  :o

So I brought the battset over to Batteries & Bulbs for testing, along with some other batts I have as well which I bought from them but never worked all that good in the Ewz.  They ran the batts through there testers, and did a drain and fill test as well which cost $5/batt for $15 total (I only had the full 9 yards done on the battset that had the dropouts, not the other 3.  2 of those still seem to be good, 1 shot.  I disposed of that one with them and kept the other two as batts to use to keep my laptop running during blackouts).

After bringing home the battset and installing in the Ewz, I took it for a test drive, doing multiple trips up and down the drive path in to the digs to simulate the length of a ful drive to 3 Bears and back, along with cruising around the store buying Preps.  It worked FLAWLESSLY!  :icon_sunny:  So at the moment, it looks like I will get through the season without having to invest in a new battset this year.  Both main set and spare are now working well.

I have owned the Ewz now for 4 years.  It came with one full set, and that is now my spare and now again still working.  I bought another 3 (it takes 3 to make a 36V system) as a spare the next year, but as I said that one gave out pretty quick.  Then the next year I bought another new set, now functioning as the main set.  So, in total over  4 years, I bought 2 sets of batts to run the thing, besides what it came with.

Each of these 10AH 12V Deep Cycles SLA Batts goes for $50/each, $150 for a new full set.  So assuming I get the rest of this season out of both my current sets, that is $75/year in batt costs, and that's including getting the Lemon set.  What I save in gas far exceeds this cost of course.  Charging cost on my electric bill is negligible, I don't think it even makes $5 worth of difference on my monthly bill.

Also at Batts and Bulbs on this trip they had 12V Li-I Starter Batts for Mortorcycles, ATVs and other toys.  None in the right size for my Ewz though, and also the B&B Pro told me they're not really designed for Deep Cycle.  They are however LIGHT AS A FEATHER compared to a similar sized SLA Batt designed for the same function.  Also fabulously expensive at close to quadruple the price of a similar SLA Batt.

At the moment, the only thing I could see these batts good for would be to have one of them as a 12V storage system if I was down to the point of not having a car and needed to pull it around on a bike trailer or even drop in a backpack out in the bush.  Of course I would not be doing either of those things any more, that is just theoretical.  However, one of these together with my folding 12V 5A solar PV Array probably could keep my needs for keeping my electronics charged and diode lights functioning.

It would certainly be too much to invest to buy 3 of them to see how well they would run the Ewz, particularly since they don't currently come in a size that would fit the Batt compartment and I would have to jury rig some kind of carrier on the back of the Ewz for them.

In any event, I don't need LiI at the moment for the Ewz, as long as they are working as they are supposed to, the SLAs give me more than enough range for how much I will scoot around in a day beore a recharge.  SLAs are also way more ubiquitous, and after the batts stop being shipped over from China, local places will recycle and recondition them.  So for the most part, I think SLA is much more resilient at a better price, and the only reason to go LiI at the moment is if weight is a serious consideration for you.

RE
Title: New Scooter on the way!
Post by: RE on May 01, 2018, 05:03:27 PM
I ordered a new Folding Scooter Trike for use in traveling around both locally and via air!  :icon_sunny: I just got off the phone with the Scooter People and it should be here in around a week.

It's low in power and slow, but it folds up easily and is real compact to fit in the trunk of a car.

(http://www.discovermymobility.com/store/scooters/summit-scooters/elite-portable-scooter/top1.jpg)(http://www.discovermymobility.com/store/scooters/summit-scooters/elite-portable-scooter/1anamate2.jpg)

It also comes apart into 2 EZ pieces to assemble.  I ordered it with 1 Lithium batt that gets me around 8 miles/charge and one SLA about 5 miles per charge.  Either one more than enough for cruising around while visiting friends.

Extra money to ship to Alaska of course, but at least they DO ship here!

If it turns out to be a good one, I may buy one of their more souped up models that are not so portable, but go a lot faster and further.  They have models that will do 20 mph with a 45 mile range.  I could get all around my neighborhood with one of those, even make it to Walmart in good weather for a Prep Run!

I will update when it arrives and I have had a chance to test drive it!  :icon_sunny:

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Title: 🕴️ New Ewz-Cripple Cart gets its first Test Run!
Post by: RE on May 14, 2018, 02:47:31 AM
I took the new Cripple Cart out yesterday for its first Test Run to 3 Bears Food Superstore, which is less than 1/2 mile from my front door.  Even at the slow speed this Cripple Cart does, it still only takes 5-10 minutes to make it from my front door to inside 3 Bears to do some Prep Shopping!  :icon_sunny:

Here you see the new CC in its new regular parking spot in the Living Room.  Much cleanup has been done in order to have maneuvering room to drive the vehicle in and out of the digs.  Now I can seamlessly drive from my digs to 3 Bears and back, buy my supplies and never stand up once!  I can actually drive to straight in front of the fridge and unload my groceries into it without standing up!  :o

cripple cart 2
cripple cart 2

The new CC folds up very compact to fit in a typical car trunk or the rear of an SUV.  I'll get a pic of it folded up in the next few days, I am going to bring it to The Wedding to use as my Mobile Camera Platform.

It has some deficiencies of course.  As mentioned, it is fucking SLOW when outside the store or the digs.  5MPH takes a LONG time to get anywhere, it would take me a whole hour to make it to Palmer utilizing just this vehicle.  It does however have good Cargo Capacity and the torque is pretty good.  It didn't have any trouble with the hill up back from 3 Bears moderately loaded.  It's good for about 1/2 the year here on its own.  Once there is snow and ice on the ground, fuhgettaboudit.  There is no way I am trying to move this thing over ice and snow even if it is packed down.  It just doesn't have the traction and the wheels aren't big enough.  I am looking at another off-road Ewz to use in the winter.  Also speedier to make the longer journeys more possible. More pricy, and not as easily transportable in another vehicle, but might be worth it.

You may notice in the pic the presence of a Step-Ladder next to the bed.  WTF is that there?  The reason is because RE has had serious problems with getting his crippled ass in and out of bed.  I can't lift the legs after sitting down on the bed, they hang off the bed like a limp dick.  So my latest solution to this is to climb up the ladder before depositing my crippled carcass on the bed, so my legs are more or less at the right height.  This sorta works, most of the time, I can get my whole body on the bed and get some sleep, until I need to get up again in 2 hours to go piss.

I have also had unfortunately a couple of those "I have Fallen and I can't get up" episodes over the last couple of weeks.  The legs are REALLY getting bad folks.

http://www.youtube.com/v/bQlpDiXPZHQ

It took me upwards of 30 minutes on both occassions to finally hoist myself to my feet after laying like a dying worm on the carpet for a while.  I am too proud so far to make an account with "Life Alert" to have somebody come over to help me back to my feet, although it may soon come to that.

In this case, I am inventing something new.  I ordered an electric hoist/winch from Home Depot, which I am going to install on a tower above my breakfast table.  In my good days I could have zipped this one together in about an hour maybe two,  I designed an Engine Hoist for my nephew the Dirt Track racer who had to pull his engine out every week after a race to get the thing spruced for the next stupid racing adventure.  I got no idea how many times he rebuilt that engine, but it was a LOT.  That mother fucker could lift 10,000 lbs, no problem.  I am only 155 lbs now, a fucking rat on a treadmill could lift me up if you geared the treadmill right.  Unfortunaterly of course, I am not up to doing much carpentry work right now, so I am going to have to depend on James to do the cutting for me.  He doesn't know shit about carpentry, but says he is OK with following directions.  Plus we also have the Wedding to get through, so it won't get started for at least a week or two.  Meanwhile, I will try to keep from falling down again.  ::)  When I have the Cripple Hoist assembled, be sure you will get a video of it in action lifting the decrepit RE Meat Package back up to feet shuffling level.

RE
Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: Eddie on May 14, 2018, 10:37:04 AM
Do you have an appointment for a follow-up blood draw for an H&H?
Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: RE on May 14, 2018, 10:43:26 AM
Do you have an appointment for a follow-up blood draw for an H&H?

H&H Blood Draw?  What's that?

RE
Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: Eddie on May 14, 2018, 10:54:31 AM
Didn't you once work in a lab?  You need to get your hemoglobin and hematocrit checked, and pretty soon. To see if you're holding your own after the transfusion.

The positive effects of a transfusion, if the underlying cause it not adequately addressed, is maybe 2 weeks.

Glad you're able to eat a bit better, but I'm concerned they pumped you up and aren't following closely to see if you keep better RBC levels.
Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: RE on May 14, 2018, 11:07:52 AM
Didn't you once work in a lab?  You need to get your hemoglobin and hematocrit checked, and pretty soon. To see if you're holding your own after the transfusion.

The positive effects of a transfusion, if the underlying cause it not adequately addressed, is maybe 2 weeks.

Glad you're able to eat a bit better, but I'm concerned they pumped you up and aren't following closely to see if you keep better RBC levels.

I'm due for a visit with the Vascular PfD on Wednesday and I need to check in for a followup with the PfD who snipped all the Polyps out of my colon.  I'll have one of them run my H & H agin.  I've been a little better about taking my daily Multi-Vitamin and Iron Pills.

RE
Title: 🛵 Scooters: Sidewalk Nuisances, Or The Future Of Local Transportation?
Post by: RE on July 29, 2018, 06:31:23 AM
I'm ahead of the curve on this one.  :icon_sunny:

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When Adam Stephens walked into his office in Milwaukee one morning in late June, he found messages complaining about the Birds. The deputy city attorney was not amused.

He went for a walk. "Within a couple of minutes, I found one parked on a sidewalk and was able to visually examine it and kind of figure out what it was," Stephens says.

Bird is the name of an electric scooter company. Unannounced, it dropped off somewhere between 70 and 100 rental scooters throughout Milwaukee, where it's illegal to ride motorized scooters in public.
#ScootersBehavingBadly: U.S. Cities Race To Keep Up With Small Vehicle Shares
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#ScootersBehavingBadly: U.S. Cities Race To Keep Up With Small Vehicle Shares

Here's how it works: You download an app, put in your credit card information, and locate a scooter near you. It's about $1 to unlock them, and then 15 cents a minute.

You can pretty much drop them off anywhere. And that's part of the problem: People have been leaving them all over city sidewalks. "You have elderly people, you have people with disabilities, you have the visually impaired who rely on seeing eye dogs," Stephens says.

In recent months, the hashtag #ScootersBehavingBadly has popped up, featuring scooters across the country parked in pedestrian walkways or riders speeding through while wearing headphones. Milwaukee issued a cease-and-desist order, but Bird refused. The case is now in federal court.

Things have gone sour in several cities, like San Francisco and St. Paul, Minn., where scooter companies have been kicked out. But in some cities, they've flourished, like in Washington, D.C., where I took a scooter by the brand Spin out for a ride.
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Bike-Share Firm Hits The Brakes In France After 'Mass Destruction' Of Dockless Bikes

It was fun, and a bit terrifying, to weave through rush-hour traffic. On the way, I met a fellow rider, Octavion Carter. He uses these to get around Howard University and gave me some advice: "Watch the ground, because if you go over a crack or a pothole, you might fall. It happens to everybody."

There are about 1,200 electric scooters for rent in Washington. These companies have a few months to prove their worth.

Luz Lazo, a transportation reporter at The Washington Post, says some people are annoyed by the trend. Still, she says, in a city where public transportation is notoriously unreliable, enough people are frustrated to give it a try.

Lazo sees people of all backgrounds scooting around. "Whether it's something that is going to last, or be a success, I mean we still have to wait and see," she says.
New Wave Of Electric 2-Wheelers Hits U.S. City Streets
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New Wave Of Electric 2-Wheelers Hits U.S. City Streets

Will the scooter, skateboard's goofy-looking cousin, be another fad, just like Segways or hoverboards? Big tech doesn't think so. Silicon Valley is betting on the future of micro-transportation. Uber recently invested in the scooter company Lime; and Lyft has announced it will soon be offering scooters on its app.

As I ride back through D.C. on my rental, with the wind in my face, one thing becomes clear: It's fun, but there's no way I'm doing it in the winter.
Title: 🚲 This Charges Everything
Post by: RE on August 14, 2018, 01:01:17 AM
https://grist.org/article/this-electric-bike-experiment-could-change-how-we-design-cities/ (https://grist.org/article/this-electric-bike-experiment-could-change-how-we-design-cities/)

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critical mass?
This Charges Everything

Behind the scenes of Seattle’s latest foray into bikeshares.

By Amelia Urry   on Aug 9, 2018

“Sorry about the smell; it’s not usually this bad.”

Andrew Infante is watching the rearview mirror of his Dodge RAM ProMaster and trying to maneuver out of a parking spot along a steep and congested street in downtown Seattle. In the back of the mostly empty cargo van, three bikes are roped together with a bungee cord. Two are green, with highlighter-yellow fenders like bright parentheses. The third is chalky white. That is where the smell — a murky eau de low tide — is coming from.

“We call them barnacle bikes,” says Infante, the Seattle operations manager for Lime, a startup that runs bike- and scooter-share programs in several American cities. “We thought we didn’t have to say, ‘Don’t throw them in the water,’ but I guess that’s not obvious to everyone.”

Fishing bikes out of lakes and waterfronts is one of many trials bikeshare companies must overcome in the Emerald City, which isn’t the easiest place to get around on two wheels. Unlike New York City or Washington, D.C., where city-sponsored bikeshare programs have flourished, the Pacific Northwest’s notorious drizzle and unrelenting topography pose challenges to the bike-curious commuter.

Seattle’s first attempt at a bikeshare, Pronto, launched in November 2014 and struggled with low ridership until the city bailed it out in February 2016. A year later, Seattle mothballed the program altogether.

“The city’s bikeshare karma was pretty bad,” says Mafara Hobson, communications director for the Seattle Department of Transportation.

http://www.youtube.com/v/mBKrUxIabXw

But just a few months later, in July 2017, three new companies — Lime, Ofo, and Spin — lined up to join a new dockless bikeshare pilot program. Free-floating GPS-tracked bikes were scattered around the city, eschewing the expense and restrictions of docking stations. Anyone could walk up to a bike, unlock it via app, text, call, or even by paying cash at a nearby 7-Eleven, and ride exactly where they needed to go.

Initially, the bikes tended, like water, to flow downhill. The green Lime bikes, yellow Ofos, and orange Spins pooled in Seattle’s low-lying neighborhoods, crowded onto street corners and medians until unmarked maintenance vans showed up to haul them back to higher ground. But then, this February, Lime debuted an electric-assist bike capable of taking on Seattle’s most challenging terrain at a breezy 15 miles an hour.

The so-called “e-bikes” were an immediate hit. They were a little more expensive than the $1 rides on a traditional pedal bike. But you could also cover more ground with a battery boost: In 10 minutes, you could travel nearly three miles for less than a $2.75 bus fare. And the e-bikes were turning up in places Lime’s pedal bikes never did, like on the top of Queen Anne — a hill so steep that, during snows, its streets are closed to car traffic and occupied by sleds instead.

Lime started with 500 e-bikes in Seattle, but the company began adding new ones almost immediately to keep up with demand. By the end of June, there were 1,400 green e-bikes on the city’s streets; today, that number is closer to 1,600. By Lime’s count, it now operates the largest e-bike fleet in North America — and maybe the world.

Running a hubless e-bikeshare involves intricate behind-the-scenes choreography to keep charged bikes where riders want them. Lime says it is growing as fast as it can, adding new bikes and training new field operations staff to keep them running. But these maintenance-related realities add a layer of complexity to an otherwise sleek-seeming scheme.

Transportation is the top emitting sector in the United States, with nearly 2 billion tons of CO2 released into the atmosphere every year. For the more than 400 American cities who have signed a pledge of support for the Paris Climate Agreement’s goals, bikes and e-bikes offer a better way to keep urban traffic moving at a lower carbon cost. And if the partnership between municipality and startup pays off, bikeshares might redraw the urban planning of those cities.

When a gap in traffic finally appears, Infante muscles his van out of its parking spot and onto the road. On the Lime app, he selects a glowing green target that indicates a nearby bike — an e-bike with less than 10 percent of its battery power remaining. Bingo. The stoplight turns green, and we’re off to track it down.
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Andrew Infante moves a Lime bike that was parked improperly on a Seattle street. Grist / Jesse Nichols

Hubless bikeshares depend on workers who search for abandoned, damaged, or out-of-the-way bikes, most often using workhorse vans like this one. It may seem incongruous that a company pioneering new forms of urban mobility is reliant on such an old one, but this is pretty standard in the industry: Maintenance crews drive around, checking that bikes are in good working order and “rebalancing them” — moving them from low-use areas to spots with higher demand, like near public bus stops or light rail stations. (Some 80 percent of Lime’s rides in Seattle start or end at transit stations, Infante says.)

Lime has a fleet of 13 vans and a team of about 50 people who take turns rebalancing the bikes around the city 24 hours a day. Now that e-bikes are in the picture, this team is also responsible for making sure they get fresh batteries when needed. This means hauling the batteries back and forth to their warehouse on the north end of the city to charge.

When demand for e-bikes is particularly high — on, say, July 4th weekend — the operations team may have trouble keeping up with all the batteries that need charging, Infante says. That can leave a lot of low-on-charge bikes sitting around. When a bike’s battery starts to run low during a ride, the Lime app will buzz to alert the rider and show the estimated mileage remaining; if the battery is critically low, a user will not be able to unlock the bike in the first place.

Infante admits that using a van for all of Lime’s maintenance isn’t practical — nor is it as sustainable as the company would like. Lime is in the early stages of experimenting with alternatives, like hauling batteries with a Prius or ferrying bikes with electric cargo trikes, which can travel in bike lanes, avoiding traffic and the bulk of a van’s carbon emissions.

The company isn’t alone in trying to find a better way to keep a fleet of e-bikes charged. Earlier this year, in an attention-getting vote of confidence that e-bikes will play an important role in future transportation, Uber acquired an e-bikeshare startup called Jump. Like Lime, Jump’s bikes are self-locking and trackable; unlike Lime, Jump skipped over pedal bikes and went straight to e-bikes, as it moved into five cities in the U.S., including San Francisco, D.C., and Austin.

In several of these cities, it installed experimental charging stations where users can choose to dock their bikes to charge in exchange for a ride credit. This brings the model closer to the classic hub bikeshares, but it’s more flexible, says Nelle Pierson, Jump’s head of communications.

Providing incentives to encourage users to take on some of the company’s logistical labor is a neat trick, and one other bikeshare companies are also considering. Lime currently offers rewards to users who unlock bikes that have stayed in one place for too long — if you move the bike, then Lime might not have to send a field technician to do the same.

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A Lime operations employee unloads an e-bike to place on a Seattle street. Grist / Jesse Nichols

While it’s hard to get a handle on exactly how much energy a mass e-bike scheme requires, it’s almost certainly less than any other kind of transit. According to industry estimates, the average e-bike battery consumes between 0.4 and 0.7 kilowatt hours of power per charge, which might power the 250-watt engine for four to five days — enough to cover more than 50 miles. That means that in Seattle, Lime’s batteries may consume as much as 1,120 kilowatt hours of energy every few days. For comparison, keeping the same number of electric cars charged might take 32,000 kilowatt hours.

How much carbon is spent in generating that electricity will vary widely depending on where you are. In Seattle, much of the energy comes from hydropower, meaning its carbon intensity is relatively low. On other electrical grids that are more reliant on fossil fuels, the e-bike will have a larger footprint.

It’s been 15 minutes since Infante pulled out of the parking spot, and we’ve managed to go about half a mile. We could have walked the same distance in this time — and we still have five blocks to go to retrieve the abandoned bike. E-bikes offer a middle way between car-centric transportation and the lycra-heavy machismo of urban cycling. You can hop on an e-bike at your office, pedal it to the nearest light rail station, and catch the train home. This ease and convenience may be enough to coax some commuters out of their cars.

The average Seattle commuter spent 55 hours stuck in traffic in 2017, according to data-consulting company INRIX’s traffic scorecard. That number is likely to get worse in the coming years as major infrastructure projects shut down some of the city’s arterial routes and Seattle’s population boom puts more cars on the road.

“Cars are not going to move better in Seattle for the near future,” says Gabriel Scheer, Lime’s head of government relations. He explains that the city is going to be entering a “period of maximum constraint” soon. But even in the most crowded situations, Scheer notes, “Bikes usually get through traffic.” While pedal bikes may be a tough sell for people who don’t want to show up to work sweaty or tired, the electric assist might be the clincher.

An estimate by the National Association of City Transportation Officials found that 7,500 bikes can move through a two-way protected bike lane in an hour, compared to the 600 to 1,600 car passengers that can squeeze into the same single lane of road in the same amount of time. When a software engineer ran the numbers for New York City, he found that more than half of all trips taken during rush hour would be faster and cheaper on a bike than in a cab.

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Grist / Jesse Nichols

All that might explain Uber’s investment in Jump, as well as Lyft’s move earlier this month to acquire Motivate, the largest U.S. bikeshare company, which runs NYC’s Citi Bike and D.C.’s Capital Bikeshare.

If bikeshares can get more people out of their cars and onto bikes on a regular basis, the very structure of a city could change for the greener. Seattle’s five-year Bike Master Plan has already identified almost 100 projects where bike paths and separated lanes should be installed or expanded before 2021.

The city is becoming more bike-friendly because, ultimately, it has a stake in promoting bike commuting. Seattle has allocated an estimated $65 million to build 50 miles of protected bike lanes and 65 miles of greenway trails on existing roads over the next nine years. Compare that to the $3.3 billion in estimated costs to replace the waterfront viaduct with a 2-mile-long tunnel, a project which has suffered numerous delays and mishaps over the past seven years. The tunnel is still not open for use.

Finally, Infante pulls over into a loading zone near Seattle’s packed shopping district, where tourists and office workers jostle for sidewalk space. We climb out and look for the bike, but after a few minutes, it becomes clear that it’s not there. When Infante checks the app again, the green target has disappeared. Someone has already pedaled the bike away.

This is pretty typical, Infante says. Since the e-bikes were introduced in February, demand is so high that it can be hard to find one in busy areas like this, especially when the weather is nice.

Infante says this marks another difference between Lime’s pedal bikes and its e-bikes, and another point in favor of the electric assist: He’s had people take e-bikes from his hands as he unloaded them from a van. “The e-bikes are so popular,” he says, “they tend to move themselves.”

Inspired by the people I had seen cheerfully whizzing around town on their Lime e-bikes, a few days later I decided to take one up a route I’d never attempted on two wheels before: the steep blocks that lead from Seattle’s sea-level downtown into the neighborhood called, tellingly, Capitol Hill. As I started to pedal, I was delighted to find myself flying up grades that usually leave me winded at a walk. The city seemed to open up before me, a series of vistas of expanding possibility, mobility, convenience, comfort.

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The battery on Lime’s e-bikes Grist / Jesse Nichols

Then, my bike gave a sudden lurch.

All at once, my feet met the resistance of a 60-pound bike expressing a sudden gravitational preference to roll back the way I’d come — the battery was dead.

I jumped off and hauled the now-leaden bike onto the sidewalk. The Lime app had warned me a few minutes earlier that my bike was low on charge, but the mileage estimate had seemed more than adequate, until I hit the hills. Now I pushed the dead bike up the hill until I reached a flat spot where I could park it. I had never understood the phrase “learning curve” so clearly, looking ahead and behind at the hill that Lime and its riders would both have to find their way up.

Feeling foolish and a little shaken, I hailed a Lyft.
Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: K-Dog on August 14, 2018, 08:49:59 AM
I have an e-bike I built with a hub motor.  I was using lead acid and that was too heavy and it has been hanging in my garage waiting for batteries.  A few weeks ago I figured i’d get some li-on batts and mentioned it to a co-worker.

He said that there were a whole bunch of batteries on the back  of green e-bikes all over the place outside.  I said I had already thought about that but somebody else would have to abandon a bike on my property before I could feel good about snagging them.  Actually two bikes.

Long article,  I have to get to work and did not read the whole thing.  Maybe walking by a few e-bikes will inspire me to finish it. 

A group buy would be nice.
Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: Eddie on August 14, 2018, 09:19:53 AM
I have an e-bike I built with a hub motor.  I was using lead acid and that was too heavy and it has been hanging in my garage waiting for batteries.  A few weeks ago I figured i’d get some li-on batts and mentioned it to a co-worker.

He said that there were a whole bunch of batteries on the back  of green e-bikes all over the place outside.  I said I had already thought about that but somebody else would have to abandon a bike on my property before I could feel good about snagging them.  Actually two bikes.

Long article,  I have to get to work and did not read the whole thing.  Maybe walking by a few e-bikes will inspire me to finish it. 

A group buy would be nice.

I've wanted to build one, but as of yet, I have not. I don't have a good donor bike. i don't want to sacrifice my one decent road bike to do it. I think a mountain bike would be the way to go, or possibly one of those nice cruisers with extended rear end part....you know like one C5 showed.

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This one I just found in Waco, Just what I was talking about, already built. $850...not too bad, but I doubt the battery is good, They almost never are on used eV anything.

Here, bikes are so popular it's hard to snag a great deal off CL.

Update: A quick check of the Radwagon site shows a retail tag of $2200 for that. It'd be a nice deal for somebody. I don't have the spare change this week tho. It might not sell in Waco. I'll check back in a week or two.
Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: K-Dog on August 14, 2018, 10:56:24 PM
I am using a long haul trucker frame.

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Mine is an olive green.  The weight of my hub motor causes the front fork to feel floppy, it is a heavy Chinese motor that can put out way more power than the bike actually needs.  A ninety volt battery pack could get the bike going 60 miles an hour. 

The article had some numbers wrong.  I have wire racks on the front and rear.

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Here is the hub motor but I really wanted to show the rack on the front.  Wire racks on the back are common and I have one of those too.  Also painted snazzy green and yellow.  The racks each have a shelf that mounts over the fenders on which things are carried.  Never mind that but the rear shelf carries the controller nicely. What I care about is the sides of the racks that are not normally used because on them I'll mount thin Baltic birch plywood which hold batteries in nice 3-d printed enclosures.  each side front and back can be used for 4 mounting surfaces.  If each panel holds 7.5 Amp Hours at 48 volts I'd have 30 amp hours total and that would get me 15 miles to work fast and easy.  Not as fast and as easy as the E350 of course.

I'd have 1440 amp hours.  Twice what the lime bikes have and the packs will be thin with a low center of gravity on the bike.  I'll integrate a charger into the controller box on the back rack so wherever I go (that has a plug) all I need is an extension cord so I'll can at least start getting juiced back up in some places.

The article had an overly optimistic range.  The hills around here kill range and the fifty miles given for a charge is way high.  I had this bike running with the controller on the front rack and 3 batteries on the back, 7.5 amp hour 12 volt lead acids.  That was only 270 watt hours and it was only good for five miles.  I expect something close to a 15 mile range with the new battery setup but not the 25 mile range claimed by the Lime bikes with only half the battery capacity I'll have in the article.  Putting a throttle on a bike makes the legs go to sleep pretty much and the hills will suck power even with a riders help.  A fair range calculation can't consider a riders contribution.   

What I am most proud of is that the Long Haul trucker frame has no disk brake mount and I wanted a disk brake on the back.  I put an 8 inch disk on the back which is nice, as most bike brakes are only 5 inches wide.  I welded a mount onto the frame for the brake and did a perfect job getting it lined up by making a tool to position a steel support before I welded it in place.  I welded it on without putting a hole in the thin bike frame steel or messing up the frame in any way.  Wire brushed off the burned area of powder coating and painted the bracket the dark green you see.  The bike stops great.


Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: Eddie on August 15, 2018, 04:16:49 AM
Sounds like a badass e-Bike!
Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: Nearingsfault on August 15, 2018, 05:45:13 AM
Nice! Looking forwards to hear more.
Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: K-Dog on August 18, 2018, 03:09:09 AM
Tonight I have been learning about 18650 li-on batteries.  Just buying top of the line batteries would cost a fortune.  $1000 bucks for the range I want.  That is money I don't want to spend.  Such batteries can be $10 new.  I 'll be happier spending $1 per cell.

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I've learned 18650 batteries can be salvaged from old laptop battery packs and tested.  I ordered a battery tester so I can check 18650 cells and build my own battery packs.  The tester is an Opus BT-C3400 which I bought for a bit less than fifty bucks.  Recycled high quality batteries will have more life than new batteries of lower quality.  Some low quality batteries are only good for 500 mAh new.  I've learned such batteries will weigh a gram or two less than high quality batteries.  A 5000mAh stamped battery is likely to only last this long since the best 18650 is not even close to that capacity.   

https://lygte-info.dk/review/Review%20Charger%20Opus%20BT-C3100%20UK.html (https://lygte-info.dk/review/Review%20Charger%20Opus%20BT-C3100%20UK.html)

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This little battery tester is found all over the place but the company that actually makes it apparently does not have a web site about it. This is an improved Opus C3100 which had issues.  Taking old battery packs from old laptops apart or getting new cells in a group buy, cells have to be matched up and tested to make a good pack.  At the end of the day a homemade pack can save a lot of money.  This device will measure battery capacity making the job possible.

I'm learning that the battery market is half hype.  The 18650 is a standard lithium battery size.  Chinese batteries advertise 5000 mAh in this size but the best 18650 battery, a Panasonic only has 3400 mAh.  Voltage definitions get a bit fuzzy.  Defining a typical cell to be 3.7 volts instead of 3.6 volts allows a chain of thirteen batteries to be called 48 volts as the math comes out to 48.1 volts by changing the definition. 

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Lithium voltage drops as batteries discharge making definitions fuzzy.  The 48 volt battery standard originated with lead acid batteries.  The best match  in lithium would be between 13 and 14 cells in series but half a battery is impossible.

I want my packs in four flat sheets, not bricks but others have figured out how to build them.  Here is a small pack.  Figuring out a single layer arrangement won't be hard.

(https://webx.dk/rc/aaa8batt06.jpg)

And something larger.

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Fourteen cells in a chain.  8 chains in parallel should give me just over 1 kWh if the batteries are very good.  That puts 28 batteries in a thin pack on each side of each wheel.  I am thinking of making a two speed transmission that can split the 14 cell chains into 7 cell chains in parallel.  The advantage would be for hill climbing.  A battery pack is not always a good match to a motor load from an impedance point of view.  At low speeds having a lower voltage would make better use of battery power.  Especially up hills where current draw is high.

Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: Surly1 on August 18, 2018, 04:15:08 AM
Wondering where you go to scrounge up old laptop battery packs?

Some valuable DIY stuff, right here.
Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: cernunnos5 on August 18, 2018, 09:09:32 AM
Just to stir the pot a bit.

I chose a gas motor over electric. Ya. Nothing is perfect in life. Here is my reasoning (and ya, the verdict is still out till future experimentation gets done through life experience)

Back when I still had money, I wanted a BionX. (Canadian company. Top of the line. prices have come down a bit to the 2500$ range. Was in the 3000 range) I just wasnt ready for that kind of commitment. My used motorcycle cost about that much.

In contrast, My recent gas motor bike build cost less then 300 canadian dollars and that came with some upgraded parts including a free wheel addition from australia.

That couple thousand dollar represents Carbon input in different ways. All the secondary carbon inputs associated with getting that money. Getting to a job. The added carbon and money for vehicles (or bus) gas, insurance, parts, inspection, licensing, mining, shipping, civil infrastructure, police, military, banking etc. Feeding and housing yourself while working at that job.

Plus, as the middle class disintegrates, fantacisation about having having an electric bike is sort of like fantacys about having  a muscle car or a Harley. (There is nothing more annoying as a biker than hearing people say "get a harly". Proper response would be, "do you own a harley. Do you even have a motorcycle license. Fuck off".

In contrast, most people can probably save up 300$. This gets them in the game.... with skin in the game.

C5 Rule of survival- If all else fails, lower you expectations.

Now, at half a century of age, I have come to treat batteries with suspicion.  They are untrustworthy, expensive and they are an ecological disaster.

We are just learning this about lithium ion. There is no shortage of it. But we are once again, exporting ecological destruction to third world countries where desperate people are willing to destroy there own ecosystem to sell this shit to us. Then their is the disposal issue. Our history of "Disposing" of thing is less than spectacular.

So, the verdict is still out on the usefulness of a gas bike engine for Preparedness/ Adaption..... but this is your resident doomer survivalist's thoughts on the matter.

Discussions about electric bikes are sort of like having Fara Faucet posters or porn stars on the walls. Sure, they are desirable... but you cant afford them. And if you really could afford them... you could do better.
Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: K-Dog on August 18, 2018, 10:24:33 AM
I don't need three hundred dollars for an e-bike.  I already have one and if I do get batteries from old laptops my carbon footprint is not very big not that I care.  If that mattered I would not do it at all.  This is more for fun than anything else.   In collapse an e-bike might be around for a little while after gas is gone but so what? 

I'm working in the south end of Seattle where a lot of homeless congregate.  A big flat industrial area.  Smiling old men bike around all day on the rented city bikes.  They are enjoying themselves and getting away from their own smell but that does not mean they have any place to go.  They are all nowhere men.

http://www.youtube.com/v/93rSXA8aeG4?ecver=2

I'm one too , but I have a better nowhere.  Once collapse happens  most every destination will be nowhere.
Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: cernunnos5 on August 18, 2018, 11:34:29 AM
How very defeatist... with a cheap shot at "smelly poor people".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vddEvqS6M4o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vddEvqS6M4o)

Prove it, Light Beer. That aint flying. Its falling with style.
I got some serious morning Woody and my cowboy hat on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQ89sePcqiU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQ89sePcqiU)
Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: azozeo on August 18, 2018, 11:49:08 AM
How very defeatist... with a cheap shot at "smelly poor people".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vddEvqS6M4o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vddEvqS6M4o)

Prove it, Light Beer. That aint flying. Its falling with style.
I got some serious morning Woody and my cowboy hat on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQ89sePcqiU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQ89sePcqiU)


Sounds like yer' still at it from last night....

Gimme' 50 & hit the showers  :icon_mrgreen:
Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: K-Dog on August 18, 2018, 12:21:23 PM
How very defeatist... with a cheap shot at "smelly poor people".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vddEvqS6M4o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vddEvqS6M4o)

Prove it, Light Beer. That aint flying. Its falling with style.
I got some serious morning Woody and my cowboy hat on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQ89sePcqiU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQ89sePcqiU)

Quote
a cheap shot at "smelly poor people".
  That was literary license.  A comment on our pathetic existence.

http://www.youtube.com/v/kqnIB24DPXg?ecver=2

I'm living here and the problem only gets worse.  The embedded video suggests the problem is being solved but that is bullshit.  Homeless tents are three times as common now as they were when this video was made 9 months ago.  Watching down on their luck people bike around in endless loops of despair gives one a defeatist feeling.  No doubt about it.  Money is not available to solve the problem.  The whole 'head tax' issue to try fob the problem off on Bezo's was a total flop and all our politicians want to do is steal any money allocated to homeless needs for their own pet projects.  Money for foster children when they come of age because the 'system' does not provide for them for instance.  Hating on the smelly people is automatic by the bathed.  The bathed have to work and resent it.  They hate the freedom and irresponsibility.  The homeless are outsiders to be shunned.  It goes that way.  When there were few of them everything was different.  I may be seeing a small microcosm of collapse unfold.

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Falling with style!

Knows not where he's going to  :roll2: Isn't he a bit like you and me?  Nowhere Man, don't worry Take your time, don't hurry :roll2:  Leave it all till somebody else lends you a hand - wa wa wa.
Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: azozeo on August 18, 2018, 12:26:16 PM
Beautiful piece of equipment you made there dog. Kudo's

Great old piece of Lennon you resurrected as well, & with the real Paul in the pic I might ad.
Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: K-Dog on August 18, 2018, 12:28:31 PM
Beautiful piece of equipment you made there dog. Kudo's

Great old piece of Lennon you resurrected as well, & with the real Paul in the pic I might ad.

He might not be real if you play the video backwards!
Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: cernunnos5 on August 18, 2018, 01:20:23 PM
Thanks for proving my point.

How are you not seeing that?!

Those very well controlled folks(dirty poor folks) under the bridge are you. They have learned to say, Yes, mas'er, We polite to authorities because we have no power and resisting this puts us in lethal danger". It was good PR because they were dirty poor white people instead of black

Sooooooo........ in pointing that out....... are you really trying to pull off that you are the "Big Dog" because you "Saw dirty poor people once" and felt some white guilt from your basement...... or did you live under that bridge. If you ever lived under that bridge, you go to the tops of my post apocalyptic respect list. I have only slept there a few dozen times.
Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: azozeo on August 18, 2018, 01:28:15 PM
Beautiful piece of equipment you made there dog. Kudo's

Great old piece of Lennon you resurrected as well, & with the real Paul in the pic I might ad.

He might not be real if you play the video backwards!

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAH....

You knew I'd get that.
Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: cernunnos5 on August 18, 2018, 02:33:05 PM
Before anyone calls me on it... I didnt sleep under that particular bridge... in Seattle, (only Vancouver near by). I did sleep under a bridge in East LA. That was fucked up. Edmonton was worse because of that whole 30 below thing. Slept in a few squats as well. The sewage smell is why I toughened up my sense of smell. I taught myself to cut off smelling. People who complain about "smelly people" I just see as weak. Reverse prejudiced. FWI, Hindus and Sikhs think westerners absolutely reek  like sour milk .   
Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: Nearingsfault on August 19, 2018, 07:10:23 AM
Interesting...  I like the recycling of laptop packs on the bike. That is some impressive obsessive tinkering!!! My research into lithium batteries for work tells me recycling of them is waiting for volumes to build before its worthwhile. I chose gasification as the least terrible scenario. I think an electric option makes more sense in an urban scenario though; much more discrete. I'll put up a few links for fun:
Charcoal 100cc motorcycle.
http://www.youtube.com/v/P3wkIAMbMQI?ecver=1
And a video of my atv. I've allowed that project to go dormant but it works, is loads of fun and could be very useful. ATV's are legal on roads here with a driver's license and plates.
http://www.youtube.com/v/fsZ7haM0xrA?ecver=1

As to the social stuff raised above; My exposure is limited. Some "urban camping" as we called it meaning camping in the bushes in city parks and some seriously sketchy "youth" hostels. All of that is 20 plus years behind me now. In my current area there is so much crown land around warm weather squatting is real and growing to feed the huge increase in employment required in a summer tourist area. Come winter they usually move on to the cities to work or rent a closed down cottage between 4 or 5 people. Good shelter is required or you die... Lots of bikes around with the riders usually following a pattern; brightly coloured tour de france types (tourists) or milk crates tied to the rack types(locals). I come in contact more then most since construction labour is the common employment.
Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: K-Dog on August 19, 2018, 09:24:30 AM
Before anyone calls me on it... I didnt sleep under that particular bridge... in Seattle, (only Vancouver near by). I did sleep under a bridge in East LA. That was fucked up. Edmonton was worse because of that whole 30 below thing. Slept in a few squats as well. The sewage smell is why I toughened up my sense of smell. I taught myself to cut off smelling. People who complain about "smelly people" I just see as weak. Reverse prejudiced. FWI, Hindus and Sikhs think westerners absolutely reek  like sour milk .

Mentioning smell one time is not complaining about it.  I confess to not having smelled any of them.  I spend most of my time in the the tourist area which is still very busy with summertime visitors.  Homeless people are smart enough not to go there.   The rail line that carries the fucking coal to China separates the areas but I'm hesitant to mention that they are smart enough to stay away from tourists for I fear you will then not only think that I think they smell, but you'll think that I think they are stupid as well and only making fun of them because they are smart enough not to be harassed and arrested.

Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: azozeo on August 19, 2018, 12:45:30 PM
Dog,
You gonna' shoot a helmet cam vid of your happy self cruizin' the mean streets of Sea-Tac on your new HMD ? (home made deal)

That's what the Great State of Colo. puts on a vehicle title when you mix n' match pieces & parts. My bud had a '59 VW baja bug.
It became a '59 HMD....
Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: K-Dog on September 04, 2018, 01:44:50 AM
I am using a long haul trucker frame.

(https://www.cyclingabout.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/2017-Surly-Disc-Trucker-Blue-Touring-Bike-1.jpg)

Mine is an olive green.  The weight of my hub motor causes the front fork to feel floppy, it is a heavy Chinese motor that can put out way more power than the bike actually needs.  A ninety volt battery pack could get the bike going 60 miles an hour. 

The article had some numbers wrong.  I have wire racks on the front and rear.

(http://chasingthesquirrel.com/pics/greenWheel.png)

Here is the hub motor but I really wanted to show the rack on the front.  Wire racks on the back are common and I have one of those too.  Also painted snazzy green and yellow.  The racks each have a shelf that mounts over the fenders on which things are carried.  Never mind that but the rear shelf carries the controller nicely. What I care about is the sides of the racks that are not normally used because on them I'll mount thin Baltic birch plywood which hold batteries in nice 3-d printed enclosures.  each side front and back can be used for 4 mounting surfaces.  If each panel holds 7.5 Amp Hours at 48 volts I'd have 30 amp hours total and that would get me 15 miles to work fast and easy.  Not as fast and as easy as the E350 of course.

I'd have 1440 amp hours.  Twice what the lime bikes have and the packs will be thin with a low center of gravity on the bike.  I'll integrate a charger into the controller box on the back rack so wherever I go (that has a plug) all I need is an extension cord so I'll can at least start getting juiced back up in some places.

The article had an overly optimistic range.  The hills around here kill range and the fifty miles given for a charge is way high.  I had this bike running with the controller on the front rack and 3 batteries on the back, 7.5 amp hour 12 volt lead acids.  That was only 270 watt hours and it was only good for five miles.  I expect something close to a 15 mile range with the new battery setup but not the 25 mile range claimed by the Lime bikes with only half the battery capacity I'll have in the article.  Putting a throttle on a bike makes the legs go to sleep pretty much and the hills will suck power even with a riders help.  A fair range calculation can't consider a riders contribution.   

What I am most proud of is that the Long Haul trucker frame has no disk brake mount and I wanted a disk brake on the back.  I put an 8 inch disk on the back which is nice, as most bike brakes are only 5 inches wide.  I welded a mount onto the frame for the brake and did a perfect job getting it lined up by making a tool to position a steel support before I welded it in place.  I welded it on without putting a hole in the thin bike frame steel or messing up the frame in any way.  Wire brushed off the burned area of powder coating and painted the bracket the dark green you see.  The bike stops great.



Update


So far I have salvaged batteries out of 25 dead laptop packs.  In this pic you see the Opus BT C-3400 battery tester next to a box of batteries which have been tested and marked with their milliamp-hour capacity.  Their are two layers in that box ranging from 1000 mAh capacity to 2397 mAh.  A bit over thirty batteries have been processed in a week.  Batteries less than 1000mAh capacity are tossed.  On a shelf below is a box chocked full of about ninety batteries waiting to be tested.  If I build packs out of 2200 mAh batteries twelve cells paralleled together will give me a bit over 26 Amp hours.  Based on results I experienced with lead acid batteries I was able to get about five miles on 7 Amp hours at 36 volts.  This time I'll have a little more voltage so it should go twenty miles.  This considers 12 x14 or 168 batteries total.  I'll be getting more packs.  Yield is good,  At a buck a pack I'm happy to get an average of one usable battery per pack and I am doing better than that.  New batteries would make a pack with the capacity I have described worth well over a thousand dollars and the capacities of pre-built packs are exaggerated.

If I build my pack for less than $200 I'm doing great and it looks like I will.  The best batteries new can only do 3600mAh.  They are made by Panasonic and if I could get them they would not be cheap.  I expect to get at least 2/3 the capacity of any new pack and since it is so much cheaper to use re-purposed laptop batteries all I have to do is add more batteries to get the same performance.  It may be the case that since my capacities are measured and selected I may actually wind up with a better pack than some new packs.

(http://chasingthesquirrel.com/pics/opus3400.png)

The wheel you see is another hub motor I mounted on a stand so I could test my motor drive circuits.  It will spin again!  A exercise bicycle device I bought surplus can put a controlled drag on the wheel.  It uses magnets to create a drag on a friction wheel that rolls against the bicycle wheel.  A cable  adjusts the position of a steel plate to chamge the drag.
Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: RE on September 04, 2018, 02:02:36 AM
I'm picking up a new Cripple Cart to keep down in the Lower 48 at Brian's place.  When we come to Seattle you gotta do some modifications on it to soup it up!

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Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: K-Dog on September 04, 2018, 09:34:53 AM
I'm picking up a new Cripple Cart to keep down in the Lower 48 at Brian's place.  When we come to Seattle you gotta do some modifications on it to soup it up!

RE

A battery pack with one extra cell in the series stack should give peppy response over a reduced range it the electronics don't complain.  A custom charger would be needed but that should be pretty simple to do.
Title: 🚲 New Priority Embark electric bicycle features Bosch powered belt driven CVT
Post by: RE on November 02, 2018, 05:16:41 AM
https://electrek.co/2018/11/01/priority-embark-electric-bicycle/

New Priority Embark electric bicycle features Bosch powered belt driven CVT

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Micah Toll

- Nov. 1st 2018 9:52 am ET

@MicahToll



Priority Bicycles has just dropped the veil on their new electric bicycle, the Priority Embark.

The new electric bicycle removes most maintenance-heavy components typically found on e-bikes, creating a nearly maintenance-free electric bicycle.

Priority Embark electric bicycle

Priority Bicycles’s new e-bike, the Priority Embark, features an array of high-end components. We’ve seen such high-end components on e-bikes before, but they usually cost twice the price.

The centerpiece of the bike is Bosch’s newest mid-drive motor, their Bosch Active Line Plus. The motor is designed to provide pedal assist up to 20 mph (32 km/h). That classifies the e-bike as a Class 1 electric bicycle. For anyone who wants to get exercise while still enjoying the commuting power of an electric bicycle, a Class 1 e-bike is for you.

The down tube battery, which is integrated into the frame instead of resting on top, is sufficient for 50 miles (80 km) of range. Keep in mind that this is a pedal assist bike, meaning that 50 miles is likely realistic.

A Gates Carbon Drive Belt transfers power from the Bosch motor to the rear wheel. That removes the chain and front gears, reducing the number of high-maintenance parts.

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priority embark front

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priority embark angle

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priority embark

On the other end of that belt is an Enviolo Trekking continuously variable transmission (CVT). The CVT allows shifting from rest like a standard internally geared hub. However, it also provides an infinite number of intermediate gear ratios between its stops. The CVT replaces the derailleur and standard cassette found on most electric bicycles.

Hydraulic disc brakes are also included, which reduce the need to adjust cable-actuated disc brakes.

For comfort and durability, the Priority Embark also features a WTB saddle and WTB tubeless tires and rims.

According to the company, the Priority Embark is the result of four years of extensive testing of a variety of electric bicycle components. The company chose the components that combined high quality and low maintenance to create a simple, easy to use electric bicycle.

As explained by Priority Bicycles’ founder Dave Weiner:

    “Our customers have asked us about an e-bike option for years now, from the bolt-on kits to high-end luxury models, but it was important for us to design the ‘Priority version’ of an e-bike. One that empowers riders to explore new areas, run errands, or simply get to work without sweating – all in the low maintenance package for which Priority is known.”

Priority Bicycles

As much as everyone likes to hate on Kickstarters, Priority Bicycles is a Kickstarter success story. In 2014, the company crowdfunded over $500,000 and delivered 1,200 bicycles to their backers. Ever since, they’ve been working to improve their designs, culminating in this latest Priority Embark release.

The company sells consumer-direct, including with the Priority Embark.

Priority Bicycles has partnered with Velofix, a mobile bicycle repair and delivery service. Velofix will assemble and deliver customers’ Priority Embark electric bicycles after purchase.

Going even further, Velofix is also providing test rides of Priority Embark electric bicycles. They’ll show up at your door with a ready-to-ride bike for testing, though you have to live in Los Angeles, San Francisco, Boston, Denver or Seattle.

Speaking of purchase, the Priority Embark goes on sale today with a price of $3,499 (marked down from $3,999 MSRP).
Electrek’s Take

If you want a high quality, hassle-free e-bike that shows up at your door, this could be your ticket. With 7-day a week customer service and a strong record of customer satisfaction, Priority Bicycles is focusing on consumers who just want their bike to work and don’t want to deal with the mess and maintenance of traditional bicycle ownership.

Sure, the Priority Embark is expensive when you compare it to $500 e-bikes, but the price is actually quite reasonable considering the components.

Bosch motors aren’t cheap, and for good reason. They’re well engineered and worth their weight. Gates belt drives cost a pretty penny too. That Enviolo (which used to be NuVinci) CVT hub alone is a good chunk of change. All of these parts are expensive, but when combined, should make for an enjoyable and hassle-free experience.

And that’s the whole point of the Priority Embark.
Title: Re: 🚲 New Priority Embark electric bicycle features Bosch powered belt driven CVT
Post by: g on November 02, 2018, 05:31:01 AM
While originally conceived by DaVinci and used for a while by the vehicle industry and abandoned for some strange reason; the CVT is absolutely amazing.

One gets 40 miles to the gallon in a big luxury sedan and they keep perfecting them. A true marvel of modern technology.

I can personally vouch for them and their dependability and would not consider buying a car foe myself oe any member of my family unless it had a CVT transmission.

The Nissan motor company perfected them years ago for the mass market and now everyone is following suit including the snob names like BMW and Mercedes.

Diner's, Do yourself a favor and try one out before buying anything else, the savings in gasoline alone will make it worth it.
Title: Cool eBikes In Vermont
Post by: Eddie on November 29, 2018, 04:50:11 PM
 I can't remember where the eBikes go. Anyway, these are way expensive, but look  pretty badass.

130 viewsNov 29, 2018, 04:00am
Tern Launches Corporate Electric Cargobike Program

Carlton Reid
Contributor
Transportation

I am Press Gazette's Transport Journalist of the Year, 2018
 

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The Willard Street Inn, Burlington, Vermont, rents out Tern GSD bikes to enable couples to enjoy a nearby scenic bike path – the bikes can be loaded with a picnic featuring a selection of locally-sourced delicacies.TERN
Bicycle maker Tern has launched a “bikes-for-business” program to promote its GSD – “get stuff done” – electric cargobike. The Taiwanese company with international staffers and global distribution is aiming to pique the interest of hotels and short-haul delivery firms. The program – trialled with a number of small businesses already using GSDs – includes cloud-based fleet management as well as customization options, including corporate color schemes and branded fascias. The corporate program will be delivered through local bike shops.

“E-cargobikes are a great alternative for some 20 percent of all delivery vans currently operating in large cities,” concluded a recent Dutch study. The 121-page City Logistic: Light and Electric report argues that cities are being strangled by trucks and vans – and one of the solutions is for businesses to switch at least some of their “last-mile deliveries” to electric cargobikes. Most of these are long and somewhat cumbersome. Not so for Tern’s GSD – this is billed as a “compact” e-cargobike, yet it can still haul 378-lbs, no sweat.


The $4,000 small-wheel GSD is a one-size-fits-all machine, and unlike a motor vehicle it doesn’t require insurance or a license to operate.


http://www.youtube.com/v/oll-lVqSW0o&fs=1

“More businesses on bikes is something that is essential for the health of our planet,” said Tern CEO Josh Hon.


Corporate-branded GSD on trial with Deliveroo.TERN
“But it’s also great for the people working in those businesses who’ll get more fresh air and exercise. And it’ll be a really good thing for dealers who can start to build a recurring revenue model for their shops.”

https://www.forbes.com/sites/carltonreid/2018/11/29/tern-launches-corporate-electric-cargobike-program/#6e7198dc18f1 (https://www.forbes.com/sites/carltonreid/2018/11/29/tern-launches-corporate-electric-cargobike-program/#6e7198dc18f1)
Title: Re: Cool eBikes In Vermont
Post by: RE on November 29, 2018, 04:57:10 PM
I can't remember where the eBikes go. Anyway, these are way expensive, but look  pretty badass.

Science & Technology.  It's a Sticky thread.  I'll merge it in there.

RE
Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: agelbert on November 29, 2018, 05:51:30 PM
Vermonters like bikes. Yes, the folks in Burlington probably like e-bikes too. BUT, Vermont has real wet, slushy, messy winters. Winters here last a long, long time. Even with global warming the rainy messy mix we get makes biking a challenge. I actually did drive a pedal bicycle to a job I had parking cars at the airport (in winter) way back in 1998 for about a month. It sucked. It was slippery as all getout in winter and the cars made life rather difficult. If the young folks go for that, good for them. I'm too old for that.  :(
Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: RE on November 29, 2018, 06:00:49 PM
Vermonters like bikes. Yes, the folks in Burlington probably like e-bikes too. BUT, Vermont has real wet, slushy, messy winters. Winters here last a long, long time. Even with global warming the rainy messy mix we get makes biking a challenge. I actually did drive a pedal bicycle to a job I had parking cars at the airport (in winter) way back in 1998 for about a month. It sucked. It was slippery as all getout in winter and the cars made life rather difficult. If the young folks go for that, good for them. I'm too old for that.  :(

A Trike Electric with knobby tires makes things a little better.  This one from Z-electric is only $7K.  I may buy it in the spring.  It has a VIN number and you can license it for road use too.

(https://cdn.website-editor.net/dbab23e03ae64b9088f8aae01ada4942/dms3rep/multi/desktop/T-31+Micro+Yellow+Outdoors.jpg)

(https://cdn.website-editor.net/dbab23e03ae64b9088f8aae01ada4942/dms3rep/multi/desktop/T-31+Micro+on+road.jpg)

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Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: K-Dog on November 30, 2018, 06:45:54 AM
Had I been in that thing when the pickup truck that front ended me drove into oncoming traffic last week I'd have been killed.  As it is I'm uninjured.  Electronics batteries and motors are all available but somebody needs to do more than slap the components together to make a solution that works.  Three wheeled electric carts are nothing new.  This one is wrapped in a light plastic shell.  That plastic might shatter in Alaska temperatures.  I'd check into what it is made of before I got one.
Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: RE on November 30, 2018, 07:00:05 AM
Had I been in that thing when the pickup truck that front ended me drove into oncoming traffic last week I'd have been killed.  As it is I'm uninjured.  Electronics batteries and motors are all available but somebody needs to do more than slap the components together to make a solution that works.  Three wheeled electric carts are nothing new.  This one is wrapped in a light plastic shell.  That plastic might shatter in Alaska temperatures.  I'd check into what it is made of before I got one.

I've been to the factory, very nice machines.  He has clients all over the world, including Mother Russia.  It gets cold there too.  I wouldn't take it on the roads currently, I would use the bike paths.

More negative waves.  ::)

http://www.youtube.com/v/ncbEucjsNFU

RE
Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: Eddie on November 30, 2018, 08:06:01 AM
It's hard keeping a good attitude when your vacation just ended and you're back at work doing all the stuff other people were supposed to do while you were gone.

It's a joke, and one of my least favorite people ever (Margaret Thatcher) said it, but it's true.. The problem with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other people's money.

We will surely get more socialism in some form here, if BAU lasts long enough for the Rethuglicans to swing the sentiment back to that line of thinking, and we've raised a generation of kids who will embrace it....but there isn't juice left to cover al the needs, and whatever kind of socialism we get, I doubt the military will get downsized, which is the very worst problem we have (besides climate change, I mean.).

I'd be fine with some kind of social democratic government ala Canada or Sweden....but the truth is, and I've always said, it isn't the system that's the issue as much as it is the benevolence or lack thereof of who is in charge. Our leaders, left and right, are all a bunch of opportunists who use their office for personal gain.

And...it is NOT just conservatives who do it.

Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: RE on November 30, 2018, 08:46:06 AM
It's a joke, and one of my least favorite people ever (Margaret Thatcher) said it, but it's true.. The problem with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other people's money.

That happens with capitalism also.  All the money ends up in the hands of a few rich people, everybody else runs out of money.

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Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: Eddie on November 30, 2018, 09:43:50 AM
The only thing I don't like about Canada, for instance, is that guys in my line of work tell me that it puts a real ceiling on your earning ability. I haven't talked to anyone lately, but at one time I had somebody I trusted tell me that once you hit about 300K income, the government takes almost everything.

So it robs you of incentive. Just like it robs poor people of incentive, when working harder puts them above the poverty line so their bennies get cut.

I think in any social democracy, their are still corporate elites who beat the system. Like the IKEA guy Jim Quinn used to rail against.

In real socialism, or communism, the bureaucrats get all the goodies. Cuba is a case in point.
Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: agelbert on November 30, 2018, 09:59:48 AM
Vermonters like bikes. Yes, the folks in Burlington probably like e-bikes too. BUT, Vermont has real wet, slushy, messy winters. Winters here last a long, long time. Even with global warming the rainy messy mix we get makes biking a challenge. I actually did drive a pedal bicycle to a job I had parking cars at the airport (in winter) way back in 1998 for about a month. It sucked. It was slippery as all getout in winter and the cars made life rather difficult. If the young folks go for that, good for them. I'm too old for that.  :(

A Trike Electric with knobby tires makes things a little better.  This one from Z-electric is only $7K.  I may buy it in the spring.  It has a VIN number and you can license it for road use too.

(https://cdn.website-editor.net/dbab23e03ae64b9088f8aae01ada4942/dms3rep/multi/desktop/T-31+Micro+Yellow+Outdoors.jpg)

(https://cdn.website-editor.net/dbab23e03ae64b9088f8aae01ada4942/dms3rep/multi/desktop/T-31+Micro+on+road.jpg)

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(http://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/1/3-250718204746.gif) True. An electric all weather trike would work great here. For those who think they must drive an 8,000 pound PLUS tank to feel safe, I understand, but that is not, or has ever been, the issue with small economic vehicles. So, it is irrelevant to the subject of e-bikes. Surly's wife was saved by driving in an SUV (Subaru Forester). That does not mean, K-Dog, that these small electric vehicles (The E-Tuk sells in Colorado and is used to taxi tourists around - they also sell them for small businesses like this coffee serving model (https://images1.westword.com/imager/u/745xauto/9429084/e-tuk-vendo-open.png)) are not selling well AND are part of the Renewable Energy SOLUTION.

November 28th, 2018 by Michael Barnard

SNIPPET:

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Geographically, there aren’t a lot of surprises. As this chart of e-bike manufacturing revenue by country shows, China by itself is the biggest manufacturer of e-bikes, followed by the USA and Taiwan. That last comes with a political wrinkle, however. China considers Taiwan to be part of China, while Taiwan considers itself independent. Taiwan, or the Republic of China, lost its UN seat to the People’s Republic of China in 1971, but still maintains official diplomatic relations to 16 countries and informal diplomatic relations with most of them.

Why this is interesting is that the two largest revenue firms for e-bikes globally are both from Taiwan: Giant and Merida. This chart shows the top 15 firms by estimated e-bike revenue.

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here are a couple of additional points worth noting about this chart. First, the majority of firms in the e-bike market today are making less than US$100 million specifically from e-bikes. Giant and Merida, at an estimated US$170 million, are more than double the size of the next largest individual competitor. They are well-positioned to continue to dominate. Second, while most companies have a relatively limited number of models across a handful of categories, the number of variants within models is very large, especially for smaller pure-play Chinese manufacturers.


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E-Bikes Already At $1.5 Billion Annual Revenue & Being Fought For Globally (http://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/1/3-111018132401-1689625.gif) (https://cleantechnica.com/2018/11/28/e-bikes-already-at-1-5-billion-annual-revenue-being-fought-for-globally/)





Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: RE on November 30, 2018, 10:15:48 AM
In real socialism, or communism, the bureaucrats get all the goodies. Cuba is a case in point.

So it's better that Eddie Lampert, Carl Icahn and Jamie Dimon get all the Goodies? ???  :icon_scratch:

RE
Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: Surly1 on November 30, 2018, 12:08:54 PM
Had I been in that thing when the pickup truck that front ended me drove into oncoming traffic last week I'd have been killed.  As it is I'm uninjured.  Electronics batteries and motors are all available but somebody needs to do more than slap the components together to make a solution that works.  Three wheeled electric carts are nothing new.  This one is wrapped in a light plastic shell.  That plastic might shatter in Alaska temperatures.  I'd check into what it is made of before I got one.

I've been to the factory, very nice machines.  He has clients all over the world, including Mother Russia.  It gets cold there too.  I wouldn't take it on the roads currently, I would use the bike paths.

RE

Yep. Gotta pick your spots. Might be fine for local travel, but on a highway? Not likely.
I found myself parked beside a woman who had a Smart ForTwo car last weekend. Really cute. I could not resist asking her about it. She laughed and was very gracious, said she gets that a lot. Said she loved riding it around town, and that it was a perfect commuting vehicle for in town trips. But that she would never take it on an out of town trip.

As AG noted about Contrary's wreck, when you're on the interstate and get rear ended by a drunk going over 100, you want to be wrapped in a steel cage.
Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: RE on November 30, 2018, 12:31:17 PM
Had I been in that thing when the pickup truck that front ended me drove into oncoming traffic last week I'd have been killed.  As it is I'm uninjured.  Electronics batteries and motors are all available but somebody needs to do more than slap the components together to make a solution that works.  Three wheeled electric carts are nothing new.  This one is wrapped in a light plastic shell.  That plastic might shatter in Alaska temperatures.  I'd check into what it is made of before I got one.

I've been to the factory, very nice machines.  He has clients all over the world, including Mother Russia.  It gets cold there too.  I wouldn't take it on the roads currently, I would use the bike paths.

RE

Yep. Gotta pick your spots. Might be fine for local travel, but on a highway? Not likely.
I found myself parked beside a woman who had a Smart ForTwo car last weekend. Really cute. I could not resist asking her about it. She laughed and was very gracious, said she gets that a lot. Said she loved riding it around town, and that it was a perfect commuting vehicle for in town trips. But that she would never take it on an out of town trip.

As AG noted about Contrary's wreck, when you're on the interstate and get rear ended by a drunk going over 100, you want to be wrapped in a steel cage.

Such machines are only for local commuting.  It only has a 45 mile range with the normal batt pack anyhow.  But that's all I need it for.  If I am going out on the highway, it is either my SUV or SaVANnah, which is a beast you don't wanna hit.  Except for big rigs and heavy equipment, it's the biggest 4 wheel vehicle on the road.

Fortunately as well, where I live is connected by bike paths to both downtown Palmer and Downtown Wasilla. I don't have to get out on the road with the carz at all.

RE
Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: agelbert on November 30, 2018, 02:37:37 PM
Had I been in that thing when the pickup truck that front ended me drove into oncoming traffic last week I'd have been killed.  As it is I'm uninjured.  Electronics batteries and motors are all available but somebody needs to do more than slap the components together to make a solution that works.  Three wheeled electric carts are nothing new.  This one is wrapped in a light plastic shell.  That plastic might shatter in Alaska temperatures.  I'd check into what it is made of before I got one.

(https://cdn.website-editor.net/dbab23e03ae64b9088f8aae01ada4942/dms3rep/multi/desktop/T-31+Micro+Yellow+Outdoors.jpg)
A Trike Electric with knobby tires makes things a little better.  This one from Z-electric is only $7K.

I've been to the factory, very nice machines.  He has clients all over the world, including Mother Russia.  It gets cold there too.  I wouldn't take it on the roads currently, I would use the bike paths.

RE


Yep. Gotta pick your spots. Might be fine for local travel, but on a highway? Not likely.
I found myself parked beside a woman who had a Smart ForTwo car last weekend.


(https://st.motortrend.com/uploads/sites/10/2015/11/2015-smart-fortwo-passion-cabriolet-angular-front.png)
Smart ForTwo Passion Cabriolet

Really cute. I could not resist asking her about it. She laughed and was very gracious, said she gets that a lot. Said she loved riding it around town, and that it was a perfect commuting vehicle for in town trips. But that she would never take it on an out of town trip.

As AG noted about Contrary's wreck, when you're on the interstate and get rear ended by a drunk going over 100, you want to be wrapped in a steel cage.

True, but the solution to this inertia of weighty four wheeled (and up) vehicles making hamburger out of humans in light EVs is to restrict the heavy vehicles. The fact is that light vehicles do not wear out roads. SO, companion, cheaply made lanes EXCLUSIVELY limited to LIGHT vehicles is the way to go. Of course the car manufacturers will be dead set against this because they won't make as much money selling smaller, lighter, environmentally friendly, extremely economical vehicles. 👎

However, that is already happening in Germany and the Netherlands. 👍 It is being done. (http://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/1/3-250718204449.gif)

It could be done here CHEAPLY. It would save humungous amounts of money in fuel not needed, road repairs not needed and pollution not spewed.  (http://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/1/3-250718210628.gif)

Yeah, I know, that makes too much sense to ever be implemented in the "Rational" USA. (http://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/1/3-020818201645-1486464.jpeg)
Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: Surly1 on November 30, 2018, 02:42:55 PM
Quote from: AG
However, that is already happening in Germany and the Netherlands. 👍 It is being done.

Then how do they move freight? The draft from 18 wheelers barrel-assing down the road like they own it is enough to knock a Smart car off the road.
Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: agelbert on November 30, 2018, 02:53:59 PM
You are right, RE. The T3-1 Micro  is a very nice machine. Expect the range to be goosed considerably as sales pick up. Battery technology is advancing in leaps and bounds. ✨ Even with present technology, it is child's play to double the range of this vehicle, simply because it is so light to begin with. 🌞

http://www.youtube.com/v/kKlpnZru4XY&fs=1
(http://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/1/3-111018132400-1685431.gif)
   


T3-1 Micro Quick Specs

Range at 25 mph -----------------------------45 miles (Base)
                                                                             57 miles (Lithium)
                                                                             

Top Speed ---------------------------------------40 mph

Battery Capacity -------------------------------- 4.1 Kwh (Base)
                                                                                6 Kwh (Lithium)

MSRP --------------------------------------------- $6,800 (Base)
                                                                               
 (Lithium)                                                                $9,690


Read more:

https://www.zelectricvehicle.com/t3-1-micro-enclosed-trike (https://www.zelectricvehicle.com/t3-1-micro-enclosed-trike)
Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: agelbert on November 30, 2018, 03:24:46 PM
Quote from: AG
However, that is already happening in Germany and the Netherlands. 👍 It is being done.

Then how do they move freight? The draft from 18 wheelers barrel-assing down the road like they own it is enough to knock a Smart car off the road.

There are two issues here that you are addressing, not just one. Assuming you have no problem with low weight bearing companion lanes being built next to every Interstate Highway in the USA, the main threat to the small EVs and motorcicles and EV or ICE trikes using these lanes is the drunk driver on an average 4 wheeled vehicle, not the 18 wheeler. Truck drivers, as RE will undoubtedly testify, have a much better track record for safety than the average American driver.

True, the 18 wheelers are still out there and if they stray into a light vehicle lane, they can squeeze or squash them like bugs. It is a matter of probabilities. To reduce the probability of heavy vehicles, such as 18 wheelers, splattering light vehicles all over the place, automatic driving software, now being tested in Colorado, Arizona and Califiornia, is what we need to lower the probabilty of freight moving vehicles killing humans in light vehicles to close to zero. As you know, since the 1940's (at least), even before all the interstates were built, the USA was crisscrossed with "Truck routes". These roads were, in theory, made to handle the weight of freight without breaking apart. Cars generally stayed off of them and ran on roads that were not as beefed up for freight loads.

All that changed when the Interstates were built. BUT, as RE will also testify, the 18 wheelers are well known for destroying Interstate roads from overloading. Yes, they have load checking stations, but a lot of cheating goes on.

The point is that the ability of a road to handle weight, not the frequency of accidents where a heavy vehicle destroys a smaller one, has dictated what roads were built and where people drive. I am saying that a light, cheap lane system, plus the autopilot features on many vehicles, including the really heavy ones carrying freight, is the best approach to saving people money while polluting less.

So, the freight carrying vehicle is not the greatest threat. The greatest threat is the crazy/drunk/asleep/coked up driver. Yes, that is true. The only way to deal with this threat cost effectively, without going full fascist on the driving public, is to put barriers along the companion lanes. The cost of all that infrastructure will be more than compensated for by the savings in fuel and lack of pollution from the massively expanded use of small EVs.

Friend, we are really, really out of time on these transportation issues. I understand where you are at. My wife is in exactly the same place. But frankly, I think we are doomed with our current transportation habits.

"Facing these climatic changes will be like getting into a fight with Mike Tyson, Schwarzenegger, Stallone, Jackie Chan—all at the same time," lead author Camillo Mora told CBS. "I think we are way above our heads." (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/climate-change-multiple-disasters-at-once-study-warns/)
Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: RE on November 30, 2018, 03:28:29 PM
You are right, RE. The T3-1 Micro  is a very nice machine. Expect the range to be goosed considerably as sales pick up. Battery technology is advancing in leaps and bounds. ✨ Even with present technology, it is child's play to double the range of this vehicle, simply because it is so light to begin with. 🌞

http://www.youtube.com/v/kKlpnZru4XY&fs=1
(http://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/1/3-111018132400-1685431.gif)
   


T3-1 Micro Quick Specs

Range at 25 mph -----------------------------45 miles (Base)
                                                                             57 miles (Lithium)
                                                                             

Top Speed ---------------------------------------40 mph

Battery Capacity -------------------------------- 4.1 Kwh (Base)
                                                                                6 Kwh (Lithium)

MSRP --------------------------------------------- $6,800 (Base)
                                                                               
 (Lithium)                                                                $9,690


Read more:

https://www.zelectricvehicle.com/t3-1-micro-enclosed-trike (https://www.zelectricvehicle.com/t3-1-micro-enclosed-trike)

It gets better range if you upgrade to the Li-I Batts.  But 45 miles is enough for me.  Downtown Palmer is only 4 miles away, downtown Wasilla 6.

RE
Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: agelbert on November 30, 2018, 04:02:39 PM
You are right, RE. The T3-1 Micro  is a very nice machine. Expect the range to be goosed considerably as sales pick up. Battery technology is advancing in leaps and bounds. ✨ Even with present technology, it is child's play to double the range of this vehicle, simply because it is so light to begin with. 🌞

http://www.youtube.com/v/kKlpnZru4XY&fs=1
(http://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/1/3-111018132400-1685431.gif)
   


T3-1 Micro Quick Specs

Range at 25 mph -----------------------------45 miles (Base)
                                                                             57 miles (Lithium)
                                                                             

Top Speed ---------------------------------------40 mph

Battery Capacity -------------------------------- 4.1 Kwh (Base)
                                                                                6 Kwh (Lithium)

MSRP --------------------------------------------- $6,800 (Base)
                                                                               
 (Lithium)                                                                $9,690


Read more:

https://www.zelectricvehicle.com/t3-1-micro-enclosed-trike (https://www.zelectricvehicle.com/t3-1-micro-enclosed-trike)

It gets better range if you upgrade to the Li-I Batts.  But 45 miles is enough for me.  Downtown Palmer is only 4 miles away, downtown Wasilla 6.

RE


I noticed at the end of the video that they already have an option to double the range (extra battery just forward of the back seat) for those using the T3-1 Micro for deliveries. 💫  (http://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/1/3-020818221610-1607296.jpeg) (http://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/1/3-111018132401-1686487.gif)
Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: RE on November 30, 2018, 04:13:14 PM

I noticed at the end of the video that they already have an option to double the range (extra battery just forward of the back seat) for those using the T3-1 Micro for deliveries. 💫  (http://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/1/3-020818221610-1607296.jpeg) (http://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/1/3-111018132401-1686487.gif)

Darien will also put a small motorcycle trailer hitch on it and you can put more batts in the trailer if range is an issue for you, but as I said this is not an issue for me for the way I would use it.  I have an outdoor outlet under the carport and it would recharge every night.  Plus, I wouldn't use it every day, I generally only go out on prep runs 2-3 times a week.

RE
Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: K-Dog on December 01, 2018, 08:56:01 AM
Had I been in that thing when the pickup truck that front ended me drove into oncoming traffic last week I'd have been killed.  As it is I'm uninjured.  Electronics batteries and motors are all available but somebody needs to do more than slap the components together to make a solution that works.  Three wheeled electric carts are nothing new.  This one is wrapped in a light plastic shell.  That plastic might shatter in Alaska temperatures.  I'd check into what it is made of before I got one.

I've been to the factory, very nice machines.  He has clients all over the world, including Mother Russia.  It gets cold there too.  I wouldn't take it on the roads currently, I would use the bike paths.

RE

Yep. Gotta pick your spots. Might be fine for local travel, but on a highway? Not likely.
I found myself parked beside a woman who had a Smart ForTwo car last weekend. Really cute. I could not resist asking her about it. She laughed and was very gracious, said she gets that a lot. Said she loved riding it around town, and that it was a perfect commuting vehicle for in town trips. But that she would never take it on an out of town trip.

As AG noted about Contrary's wreck, when you're on the interstate and get rear ended by a drunk going over 100, you want to be wrapped in a steel cage.

I may have come off as negative but I'm making an observation.  Being negative is not my intent.  First look at that wheel.  That wheel is available as part of an electronic drive train that you can get from China on Ali-Baba.  All the separate components are available on the Chinese market at good prices.  I don't say the components themselves are good or bad.  Their quality actually improves every year.  This whole e-scooter market phenomena in all its forms has happened because of Chinese lithium battery technology.  I actually like it and it is not negative to just see it for what it is.  Understanding how all the kit parts work together allows me to understand the limitations and capabilities.

As good as the plastic shell may be this is still somebodies tinker toy.  A collection of parts.  Remember, I'm building one too,  My bike is the same technology.  I got some battery packs yesterday.  I almost have as many batteries as I need.  Next I mount them.  I'll be breaking open a pack from some kind of medical equipment today and it may have 15 batteries.  If they are all good I'm almost to my goal.

(http://chasingthesquirrel.com/pics/otherWheel.png)

Another of my wheels.  I have three.  You can read the milli-amphour capacity of some of my tested and charged cells on the table.
Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: Eddie on December 01, 2018, 09:31:32 AM
So...front wheel power or rear wheel power?

I think what you're doing is fairly amazing, btw. I'm willing to swear you in as an expert witness anytime.

Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: agelbert on December 01, 2018, 10:13:28 AM
Had I been in that thing when the pickup truck that front ended me drove into oncoming traffic last week I'd have been killed.  As it is I'm uninjured.  Electronics batteries and motors are all available but somebody needs to do more than slap the components together to make a solution that works.  Three wheeled electric carts are nothing new.  This one is wrapped in a light plastic shell.  That plastic might shatter in Alaska temperatures.  I'd check into what it is made of before I got one.

I've been to the factory, very nice machines.  He has clients all over the world, including Mother Russia.  It gets cold there too.  I wouldn't take it on the roads currently, I would use the bike paths.

RE


Yep. Gotta pick your spots. Might be fine for local travel, but on a highway? Not likely.
I found myself parked beside a woman who had a Smart ForTwo car last weekend. Really cute. I could not resist asking her about it. She laughed and was very gracious, said she gets that a lot. Said she loved riding it around town, and that it was a perfect commuting vehicle for in town trips. But that she would never take it on an out of town trip.

As AG noted about Contrary's wreck, when you're on the interstate and get rear ended by a drunk going over 100, you want to be wrapped in a steel cage.


I may have come off as negative but I'm making an observation.  Being negative is not my intent.  First look at that wheel.  That wheel is available as part of an electronic drive train that you can get from China on Ali-Baba.  All the separate components are available on the Chinese market at good prices.  I don't say the components themselves are good or bad.  Their quality actually improves every year.  This whole e-scooter market phenomena in all its forms has happened because of Chinese lithium battery technology.  I actually like it and it is not negative to just see it for what it is.  Understanding how all the kit parts work together allows me to understand the limitations and capabilities.

As good as the plastic shell may be this is still somebodies tinker toy.  A collection of parts.  Remember, I'm building one too,  My bike is the same technology.  I got some battery packs yesterday.  I almost have as many batteries as I need.  Next I mount them.  I'll be breaking open a pack from some kind of medical equipment today and it may have 15 batteries.  If they are all good I'm almost to my goal.

(http://chasingthesquirrel.com/pics/otherWheel.png)

Another of my wheels.  I have three.  You can read the milli-amphour capacity of some of my tested and charged cells on the table.

Nice work! (http://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/1/3-120818185039-1655102.gif) I agree that small EVs are, of course, a collection of parts. However, I find the term "tinker toy" to be inappropriately demeaning of a very useful vehicle. Yes, it may be overpriced from your engineering knowledge base standpoint. But, most people do not build their own vehicles, no matter how much they could save by building them. So, I think these small EVs, safety issues and all, will have a greater and greater market share of privately owned vehicles as time goes by.

Here's a slightly bigger model EV from the Z-Electric Micro folks. I like it because you can put a LOT of groceries in the back. (http://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-250817121424.gif)

 
(https://cdn.website-editor.net/dbab23e03ae64b9088f8aae01ada4942/dms3rep/multi/tablet/728ef3d9-4cf9-4020-8650-76ce97f3b603.jpg)
⚡ T3-5D (http://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/1/3-120818185038-16442135.gif)

The T3-5D is the continuing extension of our T3 line of enclosed trike vehicles. From listening to feedback, we added extra doors and leg room for the rear passengers as well as a rear cargo door and fold flat rear seats. We made it go faster and farther and kept it all in a small frame with full hand controls for accessibility. Everything great about the T3-1 and more.  (http://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-250817121424.gif) (http://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-250817121649.png)

Quick Specs

Top Speed ------------------40 mphwith lead battery                                     
                                       47 mph with lithium

Range at 30 mph -----------58 miles 68 ah battery                    70 miles with 80 ah battery
                                                                                           100 miles with lithium 100 ah battery

Continuous Power ---------3000 watts

Battery Type ----------------Lead Silicate in 68 or 80 ah
                                                 Lithium in 100 ah

MSRP ------------------------$7,261with 68 ah battery                        $8,178 with 80 ah battery   
                                                                                                   $10,990 with lithium battery


The T3-5 Door gets its name from its 4 side doors an its rear opening cargo door.  With its fold flat rear seats, this little vehicle can haul an impressive amount.  The rear cargo door is 39.4 inches wide and 37.8 inches high. When the metal floor is folded flat, the area is 39.4 wide X 43 inches long.

(https://cdn.website-editor.net/dbab23e03ae64b9088f8aae01ada4942/dms3rep/multi/mobile/5door+%2817%29.JPG)


More Info: (http://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/1/3-120818184310-1635923.gif)


https://www.zelectricvehicle.com/t3-5d-trike (https://www.zelectricvehicle.com/t3-5d-trike)

   
Title: 🛵 Electra-Glide in Black: The Ewz Modifications & Upgrades Project
Post by: RE on July 10, 2019, 06:57:49 AM
http://www.youtube.com/v/_ql3l9C_qQ4

I have begun the process of modifying and upgrading my 2-wheel Ewz, the powerhouse 1000W 2-wheeled scooter I have owned for around 5 years I think.  I purchased it prior to becoming a Cripple, mainly as a fun toy to zip around on while my gymmies were running outside.  I had PAD (Peripheral Artery Disease) prior to my accident which subsequently  totally crapped me out, but even before that I couldn't keep up with them on the mile run I had them do before official practice started in the summer training and conditioning season.

After the accident, the Ewz became an indespensible tool for me to maintain my independence and ability to get around the neighborhood for many daily tasks, like buying Booze & Cancerettes.  lol.

However, I have long felt I could turn this quite cheap little vehicle into something much more than it is right out of the box shipped to me from China.  It is seriously overpowered for a unit of this size, and it is NOT a toy you want to buy your kid to fool around on.  It can be fucking DANGEROUS for quite a few reasons I will detail as we move along in the modifications program.  There are however reasonably safe units available for kids at lower Wattages (Horsepower in Electric terminology, 1 HP = 745W), around 300W is a suitable power for kids around 12 & up IMHO.

The first step undertaken this week is extending its range with an auxiliary Batt Pack.  The unit has a Batt compartment that fits the 3 12V 10AH Deep Cycle SLA Batts it uses to power the 36V motor.  Bigger Batts don't fit the compartment.  What I did with the physical assistance of one of my friends in my Community (I can't wield a Soldering Iron too good no more) was fashion an auxiliary Batt Pack from 3 12AH Deep Cycle SLA Batts, which will more than double its range on a single charge from around 10 miles to around 22.  That is more than I ever even drive my car around the Mat Valley between Palmer and Wasilla.  There are also plenty of places I can scarf up FREE electricity in the various stores i visit that have their own crappy Cripple Carts.  While I shop, I can park my Ewz in with the other Cripple Carts, lock it up and use a store cripple cart for shopping while it recharges.  Unlike a Tesla or other large scale EVs, it doesn't take any kind of specialized charging station to charge up in a reasonable amount of time since it uses so little juice, relatively speaking.  With a 2.5A charger plugged into a typical AC outlet, I get 2.5 additional AH every hour it is plugged in.  So, for instance if I spend an hour shopping at Walmart, then head over to Kalahdi Brothers Coffee shop for a Double Shot Espresso Red Eye and some FREE Internet Wi-Fi, I plug in for another hour, another 2.5 AH.  From complete discharge to complete recharge of course takes 9 hours for both batts if done on one charger, but I have 2 of them and can charge each batt pack separately at home overnight or during the day in around 4.5 hours, while I take a nap or do some cooking.

Here is the 1st Test drive in the RE Testing Facility parking Lot of my Community:

http://www.youtube.com/v/iTX1s1FYcz4

Many further modifications are planned and in the works.  When I travel down to Seattle to inspect the SUN Monument/RE Tombstone on July 18, I will be getting together with K-Dog to work on another part of the project which entails doing some upgrade work on my 3-wheel folding Trike Cripple Cart, which I will be taking on the plane with me because its FREE for Cripples to take their mobility devices on the plane.  :icon_sunny:  They'll even Gate-Check it and you can drive your Cripple Cart right up to the Jetway to board the plane!  :icon_sunny: :icon_sunny:

Further mods are planned for after I return from Seattle, with the project hopefully to be finished before winter sets in here on the Last Great Frontier.  I won't spoil it by detailing what I have designed and planned out here, since I'm not 100% sure everything will work as I think it will, but I am fairly confident.  If it does all work, suffice it to say I will have the most unique custom Cripple Cart on the Planet, and starting next Spring I will go on Tour with it as part of Brother RE's Traveling Collapse Salvation Show.  "Pack up the Babies and bring the Old Ladies 'cause Everyone Knows..."

http://www.youtube.com/v/nhGMmmd9Ixs

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Title: Collapse Cripple Cart Construction Project
Post by: RE on July 14, 2019, 04:40:28 AM


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Published on The Doomstead Diner July 14, 2019






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It's been a bizzy week for both Kollapsniks and Cripples,and I have been overwhelmed with work to do in both areas.  I was working on editing a Collapse Cafe video I did with Jason Heppenstalll of 22 Billion Energy Slaves a couple of weeks ago, then George Mobus of Question Everything and I got together to discuss his new Systems Science book along with questions from the Collapse 2019 Survey early in the week as well.  Then I finalized plans for a Jet Setting, Fossil Fuel Burning trip down to Seattle in the Lower 48, set now for departure on July 18th of this week.  As much as I wanted to edit and publish the discussions with Jason & George though, in this case the approaching DEADLINE for the trip to Seattle took precedence over both.  Those vids will be aired of course, but in all likelihood not until after I return from this latest Globe Trotting Adventure at the End of the Age of Oil.



The main issue here is that I had to get my "Mobiility Device" (aka, "Cripple Cart") up to suff IMHO for travel with me, to provide me with a greater level of independence from Cripple Helpers than I have depended on for the last couple of Adventures I have taken since the catastrophic injury I was unfortunate enough to experience a few years ago.  I have never before taken either of my Cripple Carts along with me for the plane ride for these Adventures, in both the recent cases I rented Cripple Carts for those trips after I got there.  In this case, it was time to bring my own along for the ride, because I am actually using this trip as a Prep Run for an even bigger Adventure I hope to take either in late Summer of Early Fall.  For that Bucket List Adventure I absolutely must have my own Ewz with me for the trip, there is just no other way I can effectively accomplish it.



In any case, long time readers of the Diner who know me know I would NEVER consider a stock Cripple Cart right outta da box from China as "up to snuff" for such a momentous trip on the Bucket List of Adventures I still have planned before I Buy My Ticket to the Great Beyond here as the Collapse of Industrial Civilization begins to accelerate its downward trip to a low per capita energy future.  For such trips I need a really FIRST CLASS ride, which I could either pay through the nose for buying a really expensive one and unnecessarily burning a lot of my stash of cash that way; or I could BUILD IT MYSELF from some cheaper stock parts, cannibalizing a variety of machines to do it.  Cheapskate that I am, I chose Door Number 2, Monte.



Regular Diners also know that unlike many other Collapse Pundits, I am a DOER, not just a TALKER when it comes to Prepping Up for the oncoming (actually, ongoing) Collapse of Industrial Civilization.  I don't just Talk the Talk, I Walk the Walk.  Of course, I am no longer a Big Macho Man who can dig a fence post hole to the center of the earth with a shovel and pick axe (let me rent a Daiwoo Back Hoe and I can do as good a job as any other Heavy Equipment operator out there, though), nor do I have enough money to buy my own Doomstead and raise pigs; and my digs don't even have enough sunlight hitting my tiny back porch to even grow a few herbs back there (I may be able to grow my favorite fungi though, mushrooms).  I do however regularly write on how to eat cheap and well on a limited budget, demonstrating how to do it in the SNAP Card Gourmet and Cooking Zone videos.  I demonstrated food preservationg techniques in my Liver Pate canning videos as well.  I teach myself new skills all the time that I feel will be of help to me or others after SHTF day arrives, such as Candle Making and of course all my experiments with DC Electrics, which this article and video is all about.  I actively work at probably the most IMPORTANT aspect of Prepping for Collapse, DEVELOPING COMMUNITY, both in cyberspace on the net and here at home on the Last Great Frontier IRL.  That is what my Potlach Mobile Food Truck program is all about.



This set of videos on today's experimenting and testing is really about much more than just how to make a VERY COOL Cripple Cart on the cheap to cruise around on as you Jet Set your way around the FSoA and perhaps around the world if I last long enough.  It answers the question definitively about which are better to prep up with, AC line powered electric tools or batt powered electric tools?  Many preppers favor the A/C powered tools because the logic goes that after SHTF day arrives, you're not going to be able to drop in at Lowe's (don't shop Home Depot!)  Well folks, you really don't NEED those proprietary batts, and in coming videos I will show you how to power any tools you have with some very basic tools and systems any prepper should have in his arsenal of preps.  Just as a Teaser, be sure you pack away a good supply of Solder and a Soldering iron in your Bugout Bag! lol.



It also answers some very important questions about the feasibility of using Electric Vehicles for transportation in the post-Collapse world.  Will they be Teslas?  Unlikely. Too fucking EXPENSIVE, too fucking COMPLICATED!  But, simple EVs such as the kind I experiment with can be put together from vey simple parts, many of which will be available in the automobile graveyards of the world once the gas runs out for the ICE powered motors.  Batteries, alternators, wiring, fuses, they are all there in the average junked car recently totaled on the Eisenhower Interstate.  Bicycle frames also available by the truckload at yard sales everywhere.  Electric motors powering everything from Power Tools to Boat Trolling Motors to fans and winches.  You give me $1000 and a trip to a few junkyards, and I'll have you a working vehicle that will do upwards of 20 mph inside a month.,



I hope you enjoy these vids today as much as I enjoyed making them.  Next week, you should see the Cripple Cart on Steroids touring its way around Ted Stevens and Sea-Tac airports and around the Seattle Tacoma neighborhood.  I can wait! 🙂



 



Heading to 3 Bears for Cancerettes






The Return from 3 Bears






How much Cargo Carrying Capacity does a Power Tools Battery powered Cripple Cart have?






Celebrating SUCCESS with Chili Dogs in the Potalch Parking Lot






 



For those of you who missed it, here is a vid done last week working on improvements to the range of my other 2-wheeled Ewz, which I wrote about inside the Diner in a post called "Electra Glide in Black"



 






 



BTW folks, I am not even halfway done with the Mods I have planned for my Globe Trotting Cripple Cart.  You ain't seen nuthin' yet! 🙂



I'll see you down by Fire Lake.  Remember Uncle RE?  He was the one afraid to cut the cake.




Title: 🛵 Cripple Cart Construction Project Update
Post by: RE on July 18, 2019, 03:02:50 AM
Now UP on Global Economic Intersection!  :icon_sunny:

http://econintersect.com/pages/opinion/opinion.php?post=201907172256 (http://econintersect.com/pages/opinion/opinion.php?post=201907172256)

Later this morning also begins the BIG TEST of all the Mods and Upgrades to the trike for the Bucket List Trip to Seattle.  Cripple Cab Company due to arrive at 7AM for transporting me and my Cripple Cart on Steroids to the airport.  Can't WAIT to go through TSA Security with this fucking rig. lol.

I will be reporting from Ted Stevens Airport in Anchorage, assuming of course I actually CLEAR security, as well as all the airline rules for transporting Cripple Carts, which I have read in full RE detail and am prepared to argue the shit out of them if they give me any grief.  lol.  Then I call my friend the editor-in -chief now of the Frontiersman (he used to be sports editor when I was coahing and wrote some articles for the paper), and Alaska Airlines will get thoroughly ROASTED both here on the Diner and locally here on the Last Great Frontier too!  ;D

All systems have been thoroughly tested this week and I hope not to have any Elon Musk style rocket explosions on the lift-off pad. 🤞  lol.

RE
Title: Collapse Cripple Cart Construction: Like a BAT OUT OF HELL...
Post by: RE on July 26, 2019, 07:49:16 PM
I just picked up a barely used Electric Wheelchair from the granddaughter of a recently deceased cripple.  He only used it a couple of times before the Grim Reaper collected him.

This was the Used Car buy of the century.  The cripple cart was in a storage unit and not looking too good.  Nobody was going to buy this thing, it looked like a hunk of junk.  It didn't run, I suspected just because of dead batts.  But even if there were more problems, there is so much good hardware on this chair I had to buy it, if I could get a good price.

It's not really a chair, it's a fucking TANK! Weighs a ton (well, 300 lb or so).  I went over to this lady's storage unit with a couple of the young guys from my Community who could lift it into SaVANnah.  It didn't work, as expected, but from my examination there was nothing fundamentally wrong with it.  Here it is back home in the digs:

Used EwzChair 1
Used EwzChair 1

This type of chair is for real, SUPER Cripples.  It has hydraulics that lift you up to stand up.  They are VERY expensive, like $10K expensive.  I don't need this type of unit (yet), but the hydraulic hardware I can repurpose for other tasks.  Here's a similar type of chair:

(http://www.discovermymobility.com/store/powerwheelchairs/karman/XO-202/main.jpg)

Brand spanking new, the above chair retails for around $13K.  Guess how much I paid for my hunk of junk out of a storage unit on the Last Great Frontier?  $300! lol.  I could have got it for less too, but I didn't feel like bargaining and that's a fair price.

Now you ask, but does it WORK? ???  :icon_scratch:  Yes folks, it does, even the fucking hydraulics work, that's a bonus I never expected.  It runs on not one but TWO motors, that allows the wheelchair configuration to basically turn on its own footprint running one wheel forward and one backward.  The Computer Controller and joystick, also working!   :o

The Cannibalization of this unit will begin next week.  The Cripple Cart from HELL is about to be born!  Like a Bat out of HELL.

http://www.youtube.com/v/mHcF1aJhJbc

Call me the Dr. Frankenstein of Cripple Carts!  It will LIVE!

http://www.youtube.com/v/xMxsLKQidY4

RE
Title: Re: Collapse Cripple Cart Construction: Like a BAT OUT OF HELL...
Post by: Surly1 on July 27, 2019, 04:23:05 AM
I just picked up a barely used Electric Wheelchair from the granddaughter of a recently deceased cripple.  He only used it a couple of times before the Grim Reaper collected him.

This was the Used Car buy of the century. 

Used EwzChair 1
Used EwzChair 1


Now you ask, but does it WORK? ???  :icon_scratch:  Yes folks, it does, even the fucking hydraulics work, that's a bonus I never expected.  It runs on not one but TWO motors, that allows the wheelchair configuration to basically turn on its own footprint running one wheel forward and one backward. 

The Cannibalization of this unit will begin next week.  The Cripple Cart from HELL is about to be born!  Like a Bat out of HELL.

Call me the Dr. Frankenstein of Cripple Carts!  It will LIVE!

RE

How do you know the hydraulics work it's dead? In any event, you need a new hobby anyhow now that the monument to Ozymandias is complete.

Ray Kurzweil was right: The Singularity is Near.

(https://f4.bcbits.com/img/a0563894500_10.jpg)
Title: Re: Collapse Cripple Cart Construction: Like a BAT OUT OF HELL...
Post by: RE on July 27, 2019, 04:54:00 AM

How do you know the hydraulics work it's dead? In any event, you need a new hobby anyhow now that the monument to Ozymandias is complete.

It WAS dead in the storage unit.  When I got it home I wired in one of my batts to it.  24V, just like my Trike. POOF, like magic it awakened from the dead.  ;D

RE
Title: Collapse Cripple Cart Aborted Seattle Public Bus Adventure
Post by: RE on July 27, 2019, 08:04:00 AM
http://www.youtube.com/v/ovH3Db9BkSk

RE
Title: 🔋 Collapse Cripple Cart Adventure: A little about Batt Charging
Post by: RE on July 27, 2019, 08:29:03 AM
http://www.youtube.com/v/6n4JOzk0hlQ

RE
Title: 🛴 Collapse Cripple Cart Adventure: Ewz Scooter Guys Cruise Tacoma
Post by: RE on July 27, 2019, 02:04:30 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/yAuoOllihIE

RE
Title: Re: Collapse Cripple Cart Construction: Like a BAT OUT OF HELL...
Post by: azozeo on July 27, 2019, 04:59:54 PM
I just picked up a barely used Electric Wheelchair from the granddaughter of a recently deceased cripple.  He only used it a couple of times before the Grim Reaper collected him.

This was the Used Car buy of the century. 

Used EwzChair 1
Used EwzChair 1


Now you ask, but does it WORK? ???  :icon_scratch:  Yes folks, it does, even the fucking hydraulics work, that's a bonus I never expected.  It runs on not one but TWO motors, that allows the wheelchair configuration to basically turn on its own footprint running one wheel forward and one backward. 

The Cannibalization of this unit will begin next week.  The Cripple Cart from HELL is about to be born!  Like a Bat out of HELL.

Call me the Dr. Frankenstein of Cripple Carts!  It will LIVE!

RE

How do you know the hydraulics work it's dead? In any event, you need a new hobby anyhow now that the monument to Ozymandias is complete.

Ray Kurzweil was right: The Singularity is Near.

(https://f4.bcbits.com/img/a0563894500_10.jpg)


Fill me in on this singularity bizness you & big Ray da' K be talkin' bout ?

Singularity is a biggie "TOPIC" in the witch-intel universe.....
Title: Re: Collapse Cripple Cart Construction: Like a BAT OUT OF HELL...
Post by: Surly1 on July 28, 2019, 03:06:39 AM

Ray Kurzweil was right: The Singularity is Near.

(https://f4.bcbits.com/img/a0563894500_10.jpg)


Fill me in on this singularity bizness you & big Ray da' K be talkin' bout ?

Singularity is a biggie "TOPIC" in the witch-intel universe.....

Kurzweil wrote The Singularity Is Near: When Humans Transcend Biology, a 2005 book about artificial intelligence and the future of humanity. He is very optimistic about AI extending human capabilities. Unfortunately, I am old enough to remember when the internet was going to democratize communication...
The merger of machine intelligence and human intelligence is a plot point in Years and Years, the HBO series I keep posting about. The root of his theory is that computing power is limited by computational capacity, but that will continue to grow exponentially after Moore's Law is surpassed, and will eventually rival the raw computing power of the human brain. What could possibly go wrong?

Here is a decent article. Kurzweil says it will occur by 2045.
https://futurism.com/kurzweil-claims-that-the-singularity-will-happen-by-2045 (https://futurism.com/kurzweil-claims-that-the-singularity-will-happen-by-2045)

And what would the Diner Forum be without a video?

http://www.youtube.com/v/1uIzS1uCOcE
Title: Re: Collapse Cripple Cart Construction: Like a BAT OUT OF HELL...
Post by: RE on July 28, 2019, 03:13:32 AM
And what would the Diner Forum be without a video?

BIG Video coming soon to a laptop near you, currently uploading to UToob.

The SUN☼ Monument/RE Tombstone is Unveiled!  :icon_sunny:

RE
Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: azozeo on July 28, 2019, 09:36:41 AM
Thanks Surly....

I'm home for lunch, I'll look at it later & get back 2 U
Title: Re: Collapse Cripple Cart Construction: Like a BAT OUT OF HELL...
Post by: azozeo on July 28, 2019, 02:39:04 PM

Ray Kurzweil was right: The Singularity is Near.

(https://f4.bcbits.com/img/a0563894500_10.jpg)


Fill me in on this singularity bizness you & big Ray da' K be talkin' bout ?

Singularity is a biggie "TOPIC" in the witch-intel universe.....

Kurzweil wrote The Singularity Is Near: When Humans Transcend Biology, a 2005 book about artificial intelligence and the future of humanity. He is very optimistic about AI extending human capabilities. Unfortunately, I am old enough to remember when the internet was going to democratize communication...
The merger of machine intelligence and human intelligence is a plot point in Years and Years, the HBO series I keep posting about. The root of his theory is that computing power is limited by computational capacity, but that will continue to grow exponentially after Moore's Law is surpassed, and will eventually rival the raw computing power of the human brain. What could possibly go wrong?

Here is a decent article. Kurzweil says it will occur by 2045.
https://futurism.com/kurzweil-claims-that-the-singularity-will-happen-by-2045 (https://futurism.com/kurzweil-claims-that-the-singularity-will-happen-by-2045)

And what would the Diner Forum be without a video?

http://www.youtube.com/v/1uIzS1uCOcE


As book smart as Ray appears to be, he hasn't connected with "The Field" (divine singularity  :icon_sunny:) through meditation.

Title: Re: Collapse Cripple Cart Construction: Like a BAT OUT OF HELL...
Post by: Surly1 on July 29, 2019, 01:37:15 AM

As book smart as Ray appears to be, he hasn't connected with "The Field" (divine singularity  :icon_sunny:) through meditation.

My reading of his work is by no means comprehensive, but it seems that to Ray, it's all about number of computations. Very mechanistic.
Title: Re: Collapse Cripple Cart Construction: Like a BAT OUT OF HELL...
Post by: K-Dog on July 29, 2019, 09:54:15 PM

As book smart as Ray appears to be, he hasn't connected with "The Field" (divine singularity  :icon_sunny:) through meditation.

My reading of his work is by no means comprehensive, but it seems that to Ray, it's all about number of computations. Very mechanistic.

Ray Kurzweil invented the Kurzweil Reading Machine, the first device to transform print into computer-spoken words, enabling blind and visually impaired people to read printed materials. When this print-to-speech reading machine was invented in 1976, the technology was regarded as the most significant advancement for the blind since Braille's introduction in 1829.

His father was a violinist and Ray can't deal with his fathers death.  Ray's whole thing is to bring his father back and once the Singularity goes down that will be as easy as asking for cherry pie.
Title: Re: Electric Bicycles
Post by: K-Dog on July 29, 2019, 09:56:31 PM
Seriously
Title: Collapse Cripple Cart Frankenstein Monster Comes ALIVE!
Post by: RE on July 31, 2019, 02:53:48 AM
OK gang, we took the new TANK out for it's first test driving in the Potlatch Parking Lot today.

Hydraulics do work, but it doesn't stand you all the way up like I thought it did.  Good speed, but not sure yet on the range with the batts I am using.  Further testing tomorrow.  I got a feeling it is a real Juice Hog due to the weight.  Plenty of Torque there though.

Don't get anywhere NEAR the fucking wiring job we did to test it out.  It's an Electrocution waiting to happen.  A REAL "Electric Chair"!LOL.  Tomorrow we will start getting it properly wired up.  I gotta go buy some more hardware at Auto Zone though.

http://www.youtube.com/v/SIa4Qa2ISrk

RE
Title: Re: Collapse Cripple Cart Frankenstein Monster Comes ALIVE!
Post by: azozeo on July 31, 2019, 09:37:08 AM
OK gang, we took the new TANK out for it's first test driving in the Potlatch Parking Lot today.

Hydraulics do work, but it doesn't stand you all the way up like I thought it did.  Good speed, but not sure yet on the range with the batts I am using.  Further testing tomorrow.  I got a feeling it is a real Juice Hog due to the weight.  Plenty of Torque there though.

Don't get anywhere NEAR the fucking wiring job we did to test it out.  It's an Electrocution waiting to happen.  A REAL "Electric Chair"!LOL.  Tomorrow we will start getting it properly wired up.  I gotta go buy some more hardware at Auto Zone though.

http://www.youtube.com/v/SIa4Qa2ISrk

RE


How do you spell Crippleshiskasushi  :icon_scratch:
Title: Re: Collapse Cripple Cart Frankenstein Monster Comes ALIVE!
Post by: RE on August 01, 2019, 08:09:21 AM
Latest test of the Cripple Cart TANK.  We rewired and tested the Power Tools Batts on it.

http://www.youtube.com/v/j526WhQN-Ik

RE