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Title: Jumping Jack Flash: It's A Gas Gas Gas!
Post by: Guest on March 27, 2015, 06:47:24 AM

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Published on April 23, 2013 on Jumping Jack Flash Hypothesis



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With this post, the Diner welcomes Jonny Mnemonic to the pantheon of cross posting Bloggers on the Diner.Jonny runs the Blog Jumping Jack Flash Hypothesis, where he collects daily evidence of seemingly inexplicable phenomena of spontaneous Bus combustion, people suffocating in their homes, plane crashes and so forth.The hypothesis here is that the atmosphere is already becoming filled with pockets of Methane and Hydrogen Sulfide gas being released from ocean plumes, and these are responsible for the seemingly inexplicable deaths and explosions.  Jonny has collected thousands of stories over the last few years to validate his hypothesis on his website.  Visit there for the full listings.-RE


This is a substantial revision to ‘The Jumping Jack Flash Hypothesis’, written on April 23, 2013. Nothing about the conclusions or predictions has changed, but I have reformatted the information, breaking the information down into three sections for (I hope) improved clarity and understanding: What Is Happening, Why Is This Happening, and What Are The Effects.



PART ONE: WHAT IS HAPPENING?


The waters of the Earth are now pluming suffocating methane and deadly hydrogen sulfide, both highly flammable gases.


Ancient anaerobic bacteria and archaea that pre-date oxygen-using life are reassuming dominance on the Earth. As part of their life cycle these bacteria and archaea emit hydrogen sulfide. As a consequence, the oceans, lakes and seas have begun to plume increasing amounts of hydrogen sulfide into the atmosphere. This is an ancient extinction event. Hydrogen sulfide is the likely culprit in many if not all previous planetary extinction events.


Hydrogen sulfide is a deadly broad-spectrum poison. It is lethal to humans with one or two breaths in concentrations of 1 part per thousand. In other words, if the air you breathe is 99.9% clean and 0.1% hydrogen sulfide then you’re going to be dead after one or two breaths. It is also a water-soluble gas and will contaminate water. It is a heavier-than-air gas so it will tend to seek out low-lying areas such as rivers, lakes, seas, oceans, valleys, ravines, ditches, quays, bays, gorges, canyons, basements, underground facilities, etc. It is also highly flammable and is reactive with numerous substances, including (but not limited to) copper, rusty iron/steel, nitric acid, and sodium hydroxide.


At very low concentrations hydrogen sulfide is said to smell like ‘rotten eggs’. However, you should not count on being able to smell it at any concentration beyond the trivial as it paralyzes the olfactory sense and if you can smell it at all then the smell will fade rapidly. That does not mean the danger is gone! At medium-high concentrations some people say that it can smell ‘flowery’ or ‘sickeningly sweet’. I have smelled that odor myself, when a septic worker had a sewer lid open and was pumping excrement into the sewer from porta-potties. (I got as far away from there as I could before I took another breath.)


Though it is a heavier-than-air gas, hydrogen sulfide is nevertheless being blown up into the upper atmosphere sometimes, where it is reacting away both the ozone layer and hydroxyl radicals. The loss of the ozone layer will probably eventually result in lethal levels of UV radiation baking the surface of the planet. The rising UV levels are already damaging DNA and RNA and causing increases in the frequency of genetic defects such as albinism and polycephaly (two-headedness) and genetic chimeras.


The loss of hydroxyl radicals means that atmospheric methane will last considerably longer in the atmosphere than it normally would, since hydroxyl radicals would normally mitigate the methane. Which brings me to…


Methane clathrate deposits in the oceans around the world are now dissociating (melting), flooding the atmosphere with increasing amounts of methane, which is a highly flammable odorless gas. Natural gas is primarily comprised of methane. The methane releases alone would probably be enough to eradicate human civilization from the surface of the Earth. This is called the Clathrate Gun Hypothesis.


We are getting both hydrogen sulfide releases and methane releases. This is likely the same scenario that killed off most life on Earth during the Permian-Triassic Extinction Event, also called ‘The Great Dying’.



PART TWO: WHY IS THIS HAPPENING?


The simple answer is: heat. The ancient anaerobic bacteria and archaea that produce hydrogen sulfide as part of their life cycle like warm environments that are rich in biomatter and devoid of oxygen. The warmer the waters of the Earth become, the less oxygen they can hold. For years we have been told about ‘dead zones’ spreading throughout the oceans. That’s what ‘dead zones’ are: hypoxic (low-oxygen) or anoxic (no-oxygen) areas.


In recent years we have seen many large-scale oceanic die-offs with millions of fish bubbling up dead. Often these events are blamed on ‘low TDO levels’. TDO stands for ‘total dissolved oxygen’. In other words, we’ve been told that life in the oceans is dying because of low oxygen levels. Well, that’s precisely the environment that the ancient anaerobic bacteria and archaea that emit hydrogen sulfide love. The corpses of the fish are themselves biomatter and those bacteria and archaea will eat those corpses, essentially turning dead fish into poison gas, which then kills more fish, and so on – a chain reaction.


Where is the heat coming from? There are two obvious possibilities: from above or from below. It’s actually both. First, the ice started melting around the planet. Whether that was because of human pollution or cycles of the Sun or galactic alignment or whatever else is irrelevant, at least to me. I would be hesitant to blame humans too much though, since this has all happened before when no human beings existed at all.


In any case, as the ice has melted, vast quantities of mass – quadrillions of tons – have self-relocated from land to the oceans. Water is an interesting substance in terms of mobility. In solid form it is more or less immobile, but turn it into liquid and it moves by itself, heading downhill. As that mass has made its way to the oceans – where the Earth’s crust is thinnest – we have witnessed a rising number of quakes and volcanic eruptions. An older theory of mine, the Theory of Mass-Induced Seismic Amplification, or MISA Theory, explains this in a bit more detail. To summarize, MISA Theory – which was retrospectively corroborated in late 2012 by one of the best university geology departments on the planet – says that as land-based ice melts and that mass moves to the oceans, faults and volcanoes in or near the oceans that are close to tipping points will be pushed over the edge and this will result in more earthquakes and volcanic eruptions, especially in the oceans and near coastlines.


(Interesting aside: notice when MISA Theory was published, on Chistmas Day in 2010, and note that I mentioned Japan prominently in the third paragraph. What happened just 2.5 months after I published MISA Theory? Japan was hit by one of the biggest quakes in recorded history. And where did that quake occur? Right off the coast.)


If you’ve been paying attention to large quakes and volcanic eruptions over the last few years, you can see that MISA Theory is proving itself before our very eyes – there have been many many large oceanic quakes and volcanic eruptions near coasts or underwater in the last few years. We hear less about the subsurface volcanic eruptions, because either we don’t have enough ‘eyes’ around the world watching the volcanoes 20,000 feet underwater, or because those that know what’s going on simply aren’t telling us.


It is probably these oceanic volcanic eruptions that are adding large amounts of heat to the oceans as magma moves closer to the surface, but these volcanic eruptions were themselves caused by the relocation of enormous amounts of mass from the thick continental plates to the thin oceanic plates as the Earth’s ice has melted away, and that melting was probably caused by heat entering ‘the system’ from above. This increase in oceanic heat is what is both dissociating the methane clathrate deposits and expanding the viable habitat for the ancient anaerobic bacteria and archaea that produce hydrogen sulfide.


This process is self-reinforcing once it has begun. The methane entering the atmosphere will add to the warming, which will melt more ice, which will result in the relocation of yet more mass from land to sea, which will cause more volcanic eruptions, which will expand the territory for those ancient bacteria and archaea, which will produce more hydrogen sulfide. In other words, the trigger on this extinction event has already been pulled and we’re now watching the bullet plow through our ‘body’ – human civilization – and kill us. Our hand has already been dealt and it’s a very bad hand indeed, but we’re still going to have to play it out.



PART THREE: WHAT ARE THE EFFECTS?


Probably the most noticeable effect will be fires and explosions sweeping across the planet. Businesses, homes, vehicles and infrastructure will be consumed by raging fires. Ammo depots will be hit with explosions and fires, including the civilian versions like fireworks factories. Likewise, chemical plants of all types will burn and/or explode, including biofuels plants, fertilizer plants, specialty chemical plants, petroleum-related facilities and more. Metal-related businesses will be hit hard, including salvage yards and metal recycling centers. Trash-related facilities such as recycling centers and landfills will burn hard too, as hydrogen sulfide is absorbed into flammable absorbent materials like wood, paper, cardboard, straw, hay, dried brush, generic trash, clothing, cotton, wool. Wood-related fires will escalate, including fires at pallet companies, wood-carving businesses, furniture businesses, door companies, cabinet companies, etc. Peoples’ clothing will spontaneously combust from time to time, or ignite very very easily from the slightest spark or heat, as has been happening with increasing frequency and people will be burned to death as a consequence. So far as homes are concerned, vacant homes, unoccupied homes and homes under construction will burn hardest and first but the number of occupied homes burning will also be increasing.


Vehicles of all kinds will continue to burn, as they have been, and the number of vehicular fires will continue to escalate, inevitably resulting in a corresponding increase in the number of people being incinerated in their vehicles. Traffic accidents will be on the rise as increasing numbers of people lose consciousness, experience seizures or flat-out die while driving. More people will be found dead in submerged vehicles. Many vehicles will veer off the road, hit trees or buildings, burst into flame, and kill the driver. As planes land, they will more frequently blow tires, or their landing gear will collapse, or they will run off runways. Massive vehicles such as big RVs, buses, tanker trucks, tractor trailers, dump trucks, and car-haulers will be destroyed by fire in escalating numbers after tires or brakes ignite. Delivery of goods – including food and fuel – will become more problematic as time goes on.


Obviously there will be animals dying off, especially oceanic species, but other species will sicken and die too. Sometimes animals will go crazy from neurological damage caused by hydrogen sulfide’s neurotoxic properties. Some animals may foam at the mouth as a result of chemical damage to their lungs. Predators will attempt to adapt to the changes in the biosphere and may turn to our pets or to us as an alternate source of nutrition. All oxygen-using species will suffer but because of their vigorous reproductive capabilities, insects and fungi and some species of plants will fare best and the world may for a very significant time be dominated by those species.


Humans will sicken and die, especially in, near, or downwind of low-lying areas such as bodies of water. People found dead will often show no sign of injury, and this will include young and healthy people. Humans will also go insane due to neurological damage caused by hydrogen sulfide’s neurotoxic properties and this will occur with increasing frequency. Some people will be seen foaming at the mouth, as has happened in a number of incidents over the past year. Violence, sometimes insanely savage, will be on the rise, especially among the young, whose neurologies are less ‘hardened’. People will sometimes experience bruising with no apparent reason. Memory may erode and some people will forget who they are entirely; that’s already happened in at least two cases in recent times. Renal problems – e.g. problems with kidneys – will escalate, as is already happening with crop workers on the western coast of Central America. Some people will experience twitching or jerking, similar to that caused by Parkinson’s or Tourette’s. People will sometimes suddenly lose the ability to speak intelligibly for a short time – ‘the burtations’ – a problem experienced by a number of newscasters and Judge Judy. There will be more unexplained HazMat events, often involving unusual odors. Eventually the entire populations of towns and cities will drop dead.


Crops will be devastated by droughts, unusual hailstorms, fires, rising UV levels and poisoning. As long as human die-off keeps pace with the decline in crop productivity then this may not be a huge problem. If food production declines faster than the human population does then we may see widespread starvation and all of the societal problems that go along with that.


You will see all of this happening. WHAT is happening cannot be hidden. Instead you will be sold stories about the WHY of these events, because that’s the only way to keep the truth from you – to hide the lie inside the why. This neighborhood blew up because of a gas leak. That man was incinerated in his car because of an electrical problem. Those million fish died because of low TDO levels. That giant thunderous house-shaking explosion off the coast was a sonic boom. The ‘rotten egg’ odor you smelled was a naturally-occurring methane release. Sometimes the stories you’re told may even be truthful. Often they won’t be.


That this extinction event is under way is not the only thing that has been hidden from you…



Informational Links:

Wiki Information On Hydrogen Sulfide:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_sulfide


Wiki Information On Sulfate-Reducing Bacteria:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sulfate-reducing_bacteria


Wiki Information On The Permian-Triassic Extinction Event:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permian-triassic_extinction


In-Depth Science Document (PDF) Explaining How This H2S-Methane Extinction Event Works:

http://www.chicagocleanpower.org/ward.pdf


NOAA Document On Hydrogen Sulfide (Excellent Information):

http://cameochemicals.noaa.gov/chemical/3625


Centers For Disease Control (CDC) Pocket Guide To Hydrogen Sulfide:

http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/npg/npgd0337.html


Sensory And Cognitive Effects of Acute Exposure To Hydrogen Sulfide:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/7485613/Sensory-and-Cognitive-Effects-of-Acute-Exposure-to-Hydrogen-Sulfide


Wiki Information On The Claus Process (Removes H2S From A Gas Stream):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claus_process


CCOHS Document On Hydrogen Sulfide:

http://www.ccohs.ca/products/databases/samples/CHEMINFO.html


Document (PDF) Explaining The H2S-Methane Synergy In Extinction Events:

http://acd.ucar.edu/~lamar/PDF/2006GL028384.pdf


Wiki Information On Biogenic Sulfide Corrosion:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biogenic_sulfide_corrosion


Wiki Information On The Clathrate Gun Hypothesis:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clathrate_gun_hypothesis


Maps Of Methane Hydrate Deposits Around The World:

http://jumpingjackflashhypothesis.blogspot.com/2013/02/methane-hydrate-maps.html

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=xof86e&s=5


MISA Theory (Theory of Mass-Induced Seismic Amplification):

http://jumpingjackflashhypothesis.blogspot.com/2010/12/misa-theory.html


Theory of the Origin, Evolution, and Nature of Life (Gyromodel of the Universe):

http://www.mdpi.com/2075-1729/2/1/1/



Predictions:


A. More fires and more explosions, especially along the coasts, but everywhere generally.

B. Many more animal die-offs, of all kinds, and especially oceanic species.

C. More multiples of people will be found dead in their homes, as if they’d dropped dead.

D. More corpses found in low-lying areas, all over the world.

E. More unusual vehicular accidents.

F. Improved unemployment numbers as people die off.



Title: Re: Jumping Jack Flash: It's A Gas Gas Gas!
Post by: RE on March 27, 2015, 06:55:15 AM
JJF:GGG Hypothesis now UP on the Diner Blog!  :icon_sunny:

I'm not going to merge this thread with the thread AZ started in Environment, even though it might be a little confusing.  AZs thread has been up too long over there to do a merge.

RE
Title: Re: Jumping Jack Flash: It's A Gas Gas Gas!
Post by: azozeo on March 27, 2015, 03:15:40 PM
JJF:GGG Hypothesis now UP on the Diner Blog!  :icon_sunny:

I'm not going to merge this thread with the thread AZ started in Environment, even though it might be a little confusing.  AZs thread has been up too long over there to do a merge.

RE

That thread got some leg to it. Loads of folks took a look see.
At least it helps people be aware, & hopefully more safety conscious.
Title: Re: Jumping Jack Flash: It's A Gas Gas Gas!
Post by: Mister Roboto on March 28, 2015, 03:47:07 AM
Okay, before this becomes the new d00mer Jebus-religion around here, I have to say, a lot of this really smacks of the most masturbatory sort of scare-mongering.  And coming from Yours Truly, that's saying something!

That said, there is good reason to think that truly alarming amounts of methane are being belched into the atmosphere by whatever is causing the planet to warm.
Title: Re: Jumping Jack Flash: It's A Gas Gas Gas!
Post by: Surly1 on March 28, 2015, 04:18:30 AM
Okay, before this becomes the new d00mer Jebus-religion around here, I have to say, a lot of this really smacks of the most masturbatory sort of scare-mongering.  And coming from Yours Truly, that's saying something!

I initially had a similar reaction when Azozeo started posting some of this stuff. But there is something impressive in the sheer preponderance of the evidence.

No doubt of methane emissions, right? Melting clathrates erupting from the land and oceans are already occurring, agreed? If so, the what is the difficulty in embracing the logic of acidifying oceans becoming toxic to large amounts of biota, and the resulting decomposition producing locally toxic gases?

The theory certainly explains the unexplainable (bird, marine life kills). It's an interesting theory and point of view. I'm keeping an open mind.
Title: Re: Jumping Jack Flash: It's A Gas Gas Gas!
Post by: Mister Roboto on March 28, 2015, 08:09:36 AM
I can actually imagine the methane belches bringing about human extinction, or at the very least triggering a die-off so massive that the survivors have no choice but to revert to an HGH lifestyle for the remainder of humanity's time on the planet.  Even if the Earth isn't alive as such, it is a dynamic system.  And it makes sense that this dynamic system would have a foolproof means of eliminating an organism within it that has chosen to behave as a cancer or a parasite.  That's part of how dynamic systems stay dynamic.
Title: Re: Jumping Jack Flash: It's A Gas Gas Gas!
Post by: JRM on March 28, 2015, 11:46:15 AM

I initially had a similar reaction when Azozeo started posting some of this stuff. But there is something impressive in the sheer preponderance of the evidence.

Really?!  My experience of reading that thread had another impact upon me.  I was just amazed that whenever Azozeo took note of a fire somewhere, or somebody stripping naked somewhere, or a strange illness somewhere... he attributed it to a gas, gas gas. Nowhere did he show any evidence of interest in alternative explanations for events.  Every strange or interesting thing was, for Azozeo "evidence" for his "hypothesis".  Didn't you folks in here ever study a little science in high school or college?



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From: http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/forum/index.php/topic,3337.msg71459.html#msg71459 (http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/forum/index.php/topic,3337.msg71459.html#msg71459)

Quote from: azozeo on March 27, 2015, 05:36:16 PM

    JRM I'm posting this for your benefit.
    Here's a chart & graphs from the experts.
    You can believe what you want.

    http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends/ (http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends/)


THIS is the reason I pay very little attention to this absurd thread ("hypothesis").  Azozeo's capacity to use reasoning in general, and scientific reasoning in particular, is at about the level of a first grader who sleeps through science class.

This is why he uses valid scientific data about CO2 concentrations to argue for dramatic atmospheric rises in atmospheric hydrogen sulfide (H2S).

This whole thread is absurd, ridiculous ... and, well, loopy! A complete waste of precious time.
Title: Re: Jumping Jack Flash: It's A Gas Gas Gas!
Post by: Mister Roboto on March 28, 2015, 12:20:54 PM
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This whole thread is absurd, ridiculous ... and, well, loopy! A complete waste of precious time.

Wellcum 2 teh Internetz!   :laugh:
Title: Re: Jumping Jack Flash: It's A Gas Gas Gas!
Post by: JRM on March 28, 2015, 12:24:16 PM
Atmospheric H2S concentrations can and have been measured.  (See below abstract showing regional measurements in Feb-March 1990.) 

Unless Azozeo can provide legitimate scientific  evidence (he knows not what this would mean, sadly) for measured increases for such, such increases are likely to be as a result of his overactive imagination in conjunction with his underactive scientific reasoning.

Anyone who thinks any fire on Earth, especially those near bodies of water, must necessarily be as a result of vast plumes of great concentrations of H2S has not been thinking clearly -- which lack of mental clarity might possibly be a result of sniffing mysterious gases.

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Abstract

Atmospheric H2S concentrations were measured over the equatorial Pacific on leg 1 of the third Soviet-American Gases and Aerosols (SAGA 3) cruise during February and March 1990. Five N-S transects were made across the equator between Hawaii and American Samoa. The concentrations ranged from below the detection limit of 0.4 ± 0.5 (1 σ) to 14.4 ppt with an average value of 3.6 ± 2.3 ppt (1σ, n = 72). The highest concentrations were found on the easternmost two transects just south of the equator. The average concentration of 3.6 ppt observed on this cruise is the lowest reported value for background atmospheric H2S over the tropical oceans. A lack of correlation between 222Rn and H2S rules out a significant continental source. Model calculations indicate that the oceanic source of H2S in this region is in the range of 9 to 21 × 10−8 mol m−2 d−1. From this flux the concentration of free sulfide (H2S + S= ) in the surface mixed layer of the ocean is estimated to be in the range of 32 to 67 pmol L−1. In the atmosphere the oxidation of H2S produces SO2 at a rate of 2.1 to 4.4 × 10−11 mol m−3 d−1 which is only a small fraction of that estimated from the oxidation of dimethyl sulfide (DMS) in this region. A diurnal cycle was not observed in the H2S data recorded during this cruise.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/92JD00451/abstract (http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/92JD00451/abstract)
Title: Re: Jumping Jack Flash: It's A Gas Gas Gas!
Post by: MKing on March 28, 2015, 12:41:31 PM
Atmospheric H2S concentrations can and have been measured.  (See below abstract showing regional measurements in Feb-March 1990.) 

Unless Azozeo can provide legitimate scientific  evidence (he knows not what this would mean, sadly) for measured increases for such, such increases are likely to be as a result of his overactive imagination in conjunction with his underactive scientific reasoning.

Anyone who thinks any fire on Earth, especially those near bodies of water, must necessarily be as a result of vast plumes of great concentrations of H2S has not been thinking clearly -- which lack of mental clarity might possibly be a result of sniffing mysterious gases.

___________________

Abstract

Atmospheric H2S concentrations were measured over the equatorial Pacific on leg 1 of the third Soviet-American Gases and Aerosols (SAGA 3) cruise during February and March 1990. Five N-S transects were made across the equator between Hawaii and American Samoa. The concentrations ranged from below the detection limit of 0.4 ± 0.5 (1 σ) to 14.4 ppt with an average value of 3.6 ± 2.3 ppt (1σ, n = 72). The highest concentrations were found on the easternmost two transects just south of the equator. The average concentration of 3.6 ppt observed on this cruise is the lowest reported value for background atmospheric H2S over the tropical oceans. A lack of correlation between 222Rn and H2S rules out a significant continental source. Model calculations indicate that the oceanic source of H2S in this region is in the range of 9 to 21 × 10−8 mol m−2 d−1. From this flux the concentration of free sulfide (H2S + S= ) in the surface mixed layer of the ocean is estimated to be in the range of 32 to 67 pmol L−1. In the atmosphere the oxidation of H2S produces SO2 at a rate of 2.1 to 4.4 × 10−11 mol m−3 d−1 which is only a small fraction of that estimated from the oxidation of dimethyl sulfide (DMS) in this region. A diurnal cycle was not observed in the H2S data recorded during this cruise.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/92JD00451/abstract (http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/92JD00451/abstract)

Those of us who have been professionally trained to work in an H2S environments don't take it lightly when folks spin tales of the stuff floating around in easily combustible clouds. This thing called credibility….
Title: Re: Jumping Jack Flash: It's A Gas Gas Gas!
Post by: azozeo on March 28, 2015, 01:20:28 PM
Atmospheric H2S concentrations can and have been measured.  (See below abstract showing regional measurements in Feb-March 1990.) 

Unless Azozeo can provide legitimate scientific  evidence (he knows not what this would mean, sadly) for measured increases for such, such increases are likely to be as a result of his overactive imagination in conjunction with his underactive scientific reasoning.

Anyone who thinks any fire on Earth, especially those near bodies of water, must necessarily be as a result of vast plumes of great concentrations of H2S has not been thinking clearly -- which lack of mental clarity might possibly be a result of sniffing mysterious gases.

___________________

Abstract

Atmospheric H2S concentrations were measured over the equatorial Pacific on leg 1 of the third Soviet-American Gases and Aerosols (SAGA 3) cruise during February and March 1990. Five N-S transects were made across the equator between Hawaii and American Samoa. The concentrations ranged from below the detection limit of 0.4 ± 0.5 (1 σ) to 14.4 ppt with an average value of 3.6 ± 2.3 ppt (1σ, n = 72). The highest concentrations were found on the easternmost two transects just south of the equator. The average concentration of 3.6 ppt observed on this cruise is the lowest reported value for background atmospheric H2S over the tropical oceans. A lack of correlation between 222Rn and H2S rules out a significant continental source. Model calculations indicate that the oceanic source of H2S in this region is in the range of 9 to 21 × 10−8 mol m−2 d−1. From this flux the concentration of free sulfide (H2S + S= ) in the surface mixed layer of the ocean is estimated to be in the range of 32 to 67 pmol L−1. In the atmosphere the oxidation of H2S produces SO2 at a rate of 2.1 to 4.4 × 10−11 mol m−3 d−1 which is only a small fraction of that estimated from the oxidation of dimethyl sulfide (DMS) in this region. A diurnal cycle was not observed in the H2S data recorded during this cruise.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/92JD00451/abstract (http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/92JD00451/abstract)


The equator's readings in 1990 is a far cry from the arctic's readings in March, 2015.....


http://www.youtube.com/v/C5rJ4g9EMUk&fs=1
Title: Re: Jumping Jack Flash: It's A Gas Merchants of Doubt March 2015
Post by: azozeo on March 28, 2015, 01:37:26 PM
Atmospheric H2S concentrations can and have been measured.  (See below abstract showing regional measurements in Feb-March 1990.) 

Unless Azozeo can provide legitimate scientific  evidence (he knows not what this would mean, sadly) for measured increases for such, such increases are likely to be as a result of his overactive imagination in conjunction with his underactive scientific reasoning.

Anyone who thinks any fire on Earth, especially those near bodies of water, must necessarily be as a result of vast plumes of great concentrations of H2S has not been thinking clearly -- which lack of mental clarity might possibly be a result of sniffing mysterious gases.

___________________

Abstract

Atmospheric H2S concentrations were measured over the equatorial Pacific on leg 1 of the third Soviet-American Gases and Aerosols (SAGA 3) cruise during February and March 1990. Five N-S transects were made across the equator between Hawaii and American Samoa. The concentrations ranged from below the detection limit of 0.4 ± 0.5 (1 σ) to 14.4 ppt with an average value of 3.6 ± 2.3 ppt (1σ, n = 72). The highest concentrations were found on the easternmost two transects just south of the equator. The average concentration of 3.6 ppt observed on this cruise is the lowest reported value for background atmospheric H2S over the tropical oceans. A lack of correlation between 222Rn and H2S rules out a significant continental source. Model calculations indicate that the oceanic source of H2S in this region is in the range of 9 to 21 × 10−8 mol m−2 d−1. From this flux the concentration of free sulfide (H2S + S= ) in the surface mixed layer of the ocean is estimated to be in the range of 32 to 67 pmol L−1. In the atmosphere the oxidation of H2S produces SO2 at a rate of 2.1 to 4.4 × 10−11 mol m−3 d−1 which is only a small fraction of that estimated from the oxidation of dimethyl sulfide (DMS) in this region. A diurnal cycle was not observed in the H2S data recorded during this cruise.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/92JD00451/abstract (http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/92JD00451/abstract)


Here ya go ..........
This movie's right up your alley !
Be sure to order dbl butter on the corn.  :icon_mrgreen:
Helps our extermination process !!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/v/cJIW5yVk__w&fs=1
Title: Re: Jumping Jack Flash: It's A Gas Gas Gas!
Post by: Petty Tyrant on March 28, 2015, 03:51:52 PM


compare average school bus and tractor trailers bursting into flames per day in 1990 and 2015. look also at smoking rates, bans on indoor smoking and regulation of smoke detectors in 1990 vs 2015.

Atmospheric H2S concentrations can and have been measured.  (See below abstract showing regional measurements in Feb-March 1990.) 

Unless Azozeo can provide legitimate scientific  evidence (he knows not what this would mean, sadly) for measured increases for such, such increases are likely to be as a result of his overactive imagination in conjunction with his underactive scientific reasoning.

Anyone who thinks any fire on Earth, especially those near bodies of water, must necessarily be as a result of vast plumes of great concentrations of H2S has not been thinking clearly -- which lack of mental clarity might possibly be a result of sniffing mysterious gases.

___________________

Abstract

Atmospheric H2S concentrations were measured over the equatorial Pacific on leg 1 of the third Soviet-American Gases and Aerosols (SAGA 3) cruise during February and March 1990. Five N-S transects were made across the equator between Hawaii and American Samoa. The concentrations ranged from below the detection limit of 0.4 ± 0.5 (1 σ) to 14.4 ppt with an average value of 3.6 ± 2.3 ppt (1σ, n = 72). The highest concentrations were found on the easternmost two transects just south of the equator. The average concentration of 3.6 ppt observed on this cruise is the lowest reported value for background atmospheric H2S over the tropical oceans. A lack of correlation between 222Rn and H2S rules out a significant continental source. Model calculations indicate that the oceanic source of H2S in this region is in the range of 9 to 21 × 10−8 mol m−2 d−1. From this flux the concentration of free sulfide (H2S + S= ) in the surface mixed layer of the ocean is estimated to be in the range of 32 to 67 pmol L−1. In the atmosphere the oxidation of H2S produces SO2 at a rate of 2.1 to 4.4 × 10−11 mol m−3 d−1 which is only a small fraction of that estimated from the oxidation of dimethyl sulfide (DMS) in this region. A diurnal cycle was not observed in the H2S data recorded during this cruise.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/92JD00451/abstract (http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/92JD00451/abstract)
Title: Re: Jumping Jack Flash: It's A Gas Gas Gas!
Post by: azozeo on March 28, 2015, 04:59:09 PM


compare average school bus and tractor trailers bursting into flames per day in 1990 and 2015. look also at smoking rates, bans on indoor smoking and regulation of smoke detectors in 1990 vs 2015.

Atmospheric H2S concentrations can and have been measured.  (See below abstract showing regional measurements in Feb-March 1990.) 

Unless Azozeo can provide legitimate scientific  evidence (he knows not what this would mean, sadly) for measured increases for such, such increases are likely to be as a result of his overactive imagination in conjunction with his underactive scientific reasoning.

Anyone who thinks any fire on Earth, especially those near bodies of water, must necessarily be as a result of vast plumes of great concentrations of H2S has not been thinking clearly -- which lack of mental clarity might possibly be a result of sniffing mysterious gases.

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Abstract

Atmospheric H2S concentrations were measured over the equatorial Pacific on leg 1 of the third Soviet-American Gases and Aerosols (SAGA 3) cruise during February and March 1990. Five N-S transects were made across the equator between Hawaii and American Samoa. The concentrations ranged from below the detection limit of 0.4 ± 0.5 (1 σ) to 14.4 ppt with an average value of 3.6 ± 2.3 ppt (1σ, n = 72). The highest concentrations were found on the easternmost two transects just south of the equator. The average concentration of 3.6 ppt observed on this cruise is the lowest reported value for background atmospheric H2S over the tropical oceans. A lack of correlation between 222Rn and H2S rules out a significant continental source. Model calculations indicate that the oceanic source of H2S in this region is in the range of 9 to 21 × 10−8 mol m−2 d−1. From this flux the concentration of free sulfide (H2S + S= ) in the surface mixed layer of the ocean is estimated to be in the range of 32 to 67 pmol L−1. In the atmosphere the oxidation of H2S produces SO2 at a rate of 2.1 to 4.4 × 10−11 mol m−3 d−1 which is only a small fraction of that estimated from the oxidation of dimethyl sulfide (DMS) in this region. A diurnal cycle was not observed in the H2S data recorded during this cruise.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/92JD00451/abstract (http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/92JD00451/abstract)

That is a very good point. Thank you ...
Title: Re: Jumping Jack Flash: It's A Gas Gas Gas!
Post by: Jonny_Emm on March 28, 2015, 09:27:33 PM
What were the H2s concentrations when the 'rotten egg' odor hit Quincy (Massachusetts), and the Inner Harbor in Baltimore (Maryland), and in Jamaica when that cloud of toxic gas of unknown origin cut people down in the streets? Oh, nobody checked. What were the concentrations when that huge cloud hit Moscow in November 2014? How about the cloud that hit Kuwait City in 2012? The amount in Southern California during that stinkfest in 2012, blamed on hydrogen sulfide from the Salton Sea?

See, the problem is this: it bubbles up from the ocean, and a cloud hits the atmosphere. That's what happened in Santa Monica Bay, though they called that a 'naturally occurring methane release'. Yeah, well, people complained of the SULFUR SMELL. Methane is odorless, everyone knows that. So what was that sulfur stink? That was hydrogen sulfide, produced along with methane on the bottom of the sea. When the methane bubbles up like that, so does the hydrogen sulfide that's accumulated.

So the effect is temporary. You can't measure that localized effect by going out into the middle of the Andes and measuring the air (unless a cloud happens to be blowing over the Andes at the time). And it doesn't hang around long. And because it's a heavier-than-air gas, you will NEVER be able to say, 'This is the planet's atmospheric H2S level'. As soon as a bubble pops up and rolls over a city, THAT CITY will have a higher level than areas not being hit by the cloud. And the level will measure differently at 10 feet altitude than 1 inch.

And finally, it adsorbs onto matter, as does methane. Like an invisible gaseous layer of molecules that clings to matter. Then you will measure zero H2S in the air, but nevertheless, if you root around in contaminated garbage, you're still apt to get poisoned and die. Not necessarily garbage either, but car upholstery, fabrics, clothing, wood, leaves, etc. So a cloud blows through at 3 AM while you're asleep. Some adsorbs onto matter, gets into your car upholstery. You go driving, some gets onto your skin and you feel dizzy and lose consciousness while driving, maybe spaz out, maybe start foaming at the mouth, and crash and die.

The good thing is, it doesn't stick around that long, because it's so reactive with so many things. The bad news is, the oceans and seas will keep sending out new clouds. Eventually it'll whither away the ozone layer and anything not already dead by poisoning (air, water, matter), fire, explosions, or biosphere degradation (starvation), will fry by UV. That's what's happened before and that's what's happening again.

You can just pick out one particular aspect of the effects and follow that and you'll see it happen. Homes exploding, for example, or people burning to death in vehicles. Or people having seizures or dying while foaming at the mouth. Or kids under age 10 with no health issues dropping dead. Or planes crashing. Or buses burning. Or major cities being hit by hydrogen sulfide. As time goes on, whichever aspect you follow, you'll be able to see it increasing. You already can, if you're watching.


Title: Re: Jumping Jack Flash: It's A Gas Gas Gas!
Post by: MKing on March 28, 2015, 09:44:57 PM
compare average school bus and tractor trailers bursting into flames per day in 1990 and 2015. look also at smoking rates, bans on indoor smoking and regulation of smoke detectors in 1990 vs 2015.

Look at the numbers of buses in service during those two time periods. Calculate per capita change. Normalize for gasoline and diesel powered buses (one is influenced by airborne combustables and will run away, the other will not). Factor in total miles driven, the number of children who had autopsies listing "poison gas" as a contributing factor....wait...now THAT is an idea!

Has a single death certificate listing cause of death as "inhalation of poison gas with secondary cause of caught into passing out and caught in exploding school bus" been presented?
Title: Re: Jumping Jack Flash: It's A Gas Gas Gas!
Post by: RE on March 28, 2015, 11:05:57 PM
You can just pick out one particular aspect of the effects and follow that and you'll see it happen. Homes exploding, for example, or people burning to death in vehicles. Or people having seizures or dying while foaming at the mouth. Or kids under age 10 with no health issues dropping dead. Or planes crashing. Or buses burning. Or major cities being hit by hydrogen sulfide. As time goes on, whichever aspect you follow, you'll be able to see it increasing. You already can, if you're watching.

As I said, this really calls for an Interactive Map and some Quantitative Analysis, along with the plethora of stories you manage to collect up.  Where do you get all of them?  Do you google for them every day?

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Title: Re: Jumping Jack Flash: It's A Gas Gas Gas!
Post by: Jonny_Emm on March 28, 2015, 11:17:59 PM
I highly doubt it. The woman killed by hydrogen sulfide in her home in Kansas was the exception - the doctor remarked in that case that that could be the tip of the iceburg, and such deaths may be going unreported all around. He was right, and he didn't know HOW right. After about 6 or 8 hours - that's from exposure, not from the time a corpse is found - there's basically no trace left. So a doctor just sees a person dead of a brain aneurysm, or a stopped heart, or respiratory paralysis (suffocation). That doctor in Kansas must have got the corpse and done an immediate autopsy. There is no clinical test for hydrogen sulfide poisoning. When it's suspected - which is rare, and usually only involves the sewage and oil/gas industries - then they check the environment AROUND the person.

But you're assuming there's not a large organized effort to hide the truth. There is a large organized effort to hide the truth. You'll have to use your own brains. You see people foaming at the mouth and dying in their car - that's a good clue. You see people increasingly stripping naked and going insane, that's a good clue. You see parked vehicles igniting regularly in the middle of the night while parked at homes, that's a good clue. You see rising levels of methane and rising volcanic activity, that's a good clue. You see multiple major cities being hit by large clouds of hydrogen sulfide, that's a good clue.

Anyone who wants to bet their life that I'm wrong, feel free. It's your life, so gamble with it as you wish. Worst case, you end up dead. The world will go on without you, at least for a while.
Title: Re: Jumping Jack Flash: It's A Gas Gas Gas!
Post by: Jonny_Emm on March 28, 2015, 11:25:48 PM
As I said, this really calls for an Interactive Map and some Quantitative Analysis, along with the plethora of stories you manage to collect up.  Where do you get all of them?  Do you google for them every day?

RE

Well, not just google, but yes, I search every day. It's gotten remarkably easier to find the events that 'fit the profile' over time too. In the beginning, back in 2012, there weren't as many events, not nearly. Now there are so many I often just have to skip past some and even so, the lists have gotten so large that on my own message board, the storage limits have forced me sometimes to break the day's events into two posts.

Assume for a moment that I am correct. If that's so, then I don't need to prove anything, do I? All I really need to do is observe the end of the world as it occurs. Reality takes care of the proof for me. The proof is in the pudding, as they say. So, since I actually am correct, I am simply observing the world as we know it as it comes to an end, displayed each day by reality itself. People can spend the rest of their days haggling about whether there is or isn't enough proof until they're dead if they like. I'll spend my days speaking the truth and watching reality continue to confirm what I'm saying. Nice and simple!
Title: Re: Jumping Jack Flash: It's A Gas Gas Gas!
Post by: RE on March 28, 2015, 11:34:21 PM
As I said, this really calls for an Interactive Map and some Quantitative Analysis, along with the plethora of stories you manage to collect up.  Where do you get all of them?  Do you google for them every day?

RE

Well, not just google, but yes, I search every day. It's gotten remarkably easier to find the events that 'fit the profile' over time too. In the beginning, back in 2012, there weren't as many events, not nearly. Now there are so many I often just have to skip past some and even so, the lists have gotten so large that on my own message board, the storage limits have forced me sometimes to break the day's events into two posts.

Assume for a moment that I am correct. If that's so, then I don't need to prove anything, do I? All I really need to do is observe the end of the world as it occurs. Reality takes care of the proof for me. The proof is in the pudding, as they say. So, since I actually am correct, I am simply observing the world as we know it as it comes to an end, displayed each day by reality itself. People can spend the rest of their days haggling about whether there is or isn't enough proof until they're dead if they like. I'll spend my days speaking the truth and watching reality continue to confirm what I'm saying. Nice and simple!

Well, you'll get a lot more people to buy in to the hypothesis if you can quantify it.  Is that important if it is correct?  Yes, because there still is stuff that could be done to deal with the situation.  Cure it no, deal with it yes.

What you really need is for a really BIG BUBBLE to roll in and settle on Wall Street or the City of London and wipeout all the Banksters.  Then people will pay attention.  LOL.

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Title: Re: Jumping Jack Flash: It's A Gas Gas Gas!
Post by: Jonny_Emm on March 28, 2015, 11:57:24 PM
Well, I have come to the conclusion that A) there is already enough evidence, and plenty more will certainly be forthcoming; and B) people will wake themselves up when they're ready and not before. Maybe that's already begun, right here on the Diner!
Title: Re: Jumping Jack Flash: It's A Gas Gas Gas!
Post by: RE on March 29, 2015, 12:13:04 AM
Well, I have come to the conclusion that A) there is already enough evidence, and plenty more will certainly be forthcoming; and B) people will wake themselves up when they're ready and not before. Maybe that's already begun, right here on the Diner!

Well, I am certain you will continue to drop on the evidence, and the Diner does have decent circulation these days.

I do have a suggestion though.  Use Google Earth to drop on location links each time you link up a story.  We can then use Images and Srceen Shots from Google Earth to track all of them by location, date and type of event.  It's a fabulous database.  Say what you will about Google, they definitely do the best database programming around and it is pretty user friendly too.

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Title: Re: Jumping Jack Flash: It's A Gas Gas Gas!
Post by: Jonny_Emm on March 29, 2015, 12:18:03 AM
Well, gonna finish off this month (not much left in it), and in the meantime I will get Google Earth and see if I can get going on figuring out how to do what you just suggested. Can't be that hard. I hope!
Title: Re: Jumping Jack Flash: It's A Gas Gas Gas!
Post by: RE on March 29, 2015, 12:51:38 AM
Well, gonna finish off this month (not much left in it), and in the meantime I will get Google Earth and see if I can get going on figuring out how to do what you just suggested. Can't be that hard. I hope!

Not very hard.  Its a well designed and user friendly database overall.

To really extract your data in XML format and then be able to manipulate it you need to go for the premium version, but untill you get a lot of data dropped in there it's not necessary and you just use the Freebie they offer.  If I see good recognizable patterns, I will cough up for premium and start extracting the data from that.

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Title: Jumping Jack Flash on Google Earth: Example
Post by: RE on March 29, 2015, 01:20:15 AM
I took one of the links from Durant, TX Boat Explosion and posted it to Gooogle Earth.  I used an Anchor Icon for this one.  There are Fire Icons, Bus Icons etc available.  Here is what it looks like zoomed out to see most of the FSoA:

Boat Explosion 3 27 2015
Boat Explosion 3 27 2015

You can drop in detail and links in the Description.

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Title: Re: Jumping Jack Flash: It's A Gas Gas Gas!
Post by: Jonny_Emm on March 29, 2015, 02:04:56 AM
Yes, I see how useful that might be. Can't do every event, but then some of them aren't really worth mapping anyway. So what do you think about mapping the following:

* Residential explosions
* Passenger planes crashing
* Any kind of plane burning
* Boat fires and explosions
* Big rig fires and explosions
* Major scrap metal fires, like auto salvage yards and metal recycling centers
* Any vehicle fire where 10+ vehicles burn
* All explosions involving nitric acid
* Naked crazy people incidents
* College students and kids mysteriously dropping dead
* Anybody dying foaming at the mouth
* Fatal non-accident vehicle fires
* Major train crashes and derailments
* Any vehicle crash with 10+ fatalities
* Mysterious city-shaking explosions
* Cities being hit by hydrogen sulfide or 'rotten egg' odor

That will leave out many accidents, and a lot of vehicle fires, and a lot of the people dying, but that should include enough to be very interesting, and hopefully restricting it to just those won't eat up TOO much (more) of my time. Heh.

And any other suggestions?
Title: Re: Jumping Jack Flash: It's A Gas Gas Gas!
Post by: RE on March 29, 2015, 02:21:11 AM
Yes, I see how useful that might be. Can't do every event, but then some of them aren't really worth mapping anyway. So what do you think about mapping the following:

* Passenger planes crashing
* Any kind of plane burning
* Boat fires and explosions
* Big rig fires and explosions
* Major scrap metal fires, like auto salvage yards and metal recycling centers
* Any vehicle fire where 10+ vehicles burn
* All explosions involving nitric acid
* Naked crazy people incidents
* College students and kids mysteriously dropping dead
* Anybody dying foaming at the mouth
* Major train crashes and derailments
* Any vehicle crash with 10+ fatalities
* Mysterious city-shaking explosions
* Cities being hit by hydrogen sulfide or 'rotten egg' odor

That will leave out many accidents, and a lot of vehicle fires, and a lot of the people dying, but that should include enough to be very interesting, and hopefully restricting it to just those won't eat up TOO much (more) of my time. Heh.

And any other suggestions?

Well, whenever you develop a database, you have to think carefully about your Fields, and you have to maintain a Format that will make it searchable by different parameters.

So each item you do choose to post on Google Earth should have a regular Format.  I suggest each one has:

Date of Occurrence:________
Type of Occurrence:________
Source Reporting on Occurrence:________
Location of Occurrence:___________

The Location is fixed by the mapping point, that is not necessary to include on Google, but you might want to record it as a Lat/Lon coordinate on your own DB.  With that, I can do some fabulous sorting without having to cough up for Google Earth Premium

Probably the best format would be as CSV text database, which is Comma Separated Values.  So you would write the incident this way:

DOO, ToO, SRoO, LoO
3/27/2015, Boat Explosion, [Newz Story Link], Lat/Lon

I would make a corresponding flat table database with the same fields using Excel or Access or an Open Office version of one of those.

You'll need to get onto the DB 1000s of links and examples to be able to get any kind of statistically valid survey.  However, with just a few hundred, patterns will liekly emerge that are visible, though not necessarily statistically valid.

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Title: Re: Jumping Jack Flash: It's A Gas Gas Gas!
Post by: RE on March 29, 2015, 02:46:23 AM
Some other parameters you might want to include are:

Smell Detected: Yes/No
Type of Smell: Sickly Sweet, Rotten Eggs etc
Type of Gas Likely: H2S, CH4, CO, CO2, other
Number of Victims: 1-7Billion
Validation #: Total sites reporting on the occurrence you found

If you like, I will make a flat table DB to record these parameters on and upload it to the Diner files.

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Title: Re: Jumping Jack Flash: It's A Gas Gas Gas!
Post by: Jonny_Emm on March 29, 2015, 03:28:22 AM
Hmm, yeah, you got me thinking now. Maybe two categories for the type of event would work best, like

Type: Explosion
SubType: Residential Building
Parked: NA
Number: 1
Fatalities: 5
Casualties: 20
Odor: Sweet
Likely Gas: H2S
NewsCount: 5
NewsSource: httpblahblah
Location: LongLat
Date: Date
Time: Unknown or Time

Or

Type: Fire
SubType: Tractor Trailer
Parked: Yes/No
Number: 3
Fatalities: 0
Casualties: 0
Odor: None
Likely Gas: Unknown
NewsCount: 4
NewsLink: httpblahblah
Location: LongLat
Date: Date
Time: Unknown or Time

Or

Type: Death
SubType: Collapse or Foaming or Bleeding or Unknown
Parked: NA
Number: 1
Fatalities: 1
Casualties: 0
Odor: Unknown
Likely Gas: Unknown
NewsCount: 2
NewsLink: httpblahblah
Location: LongLat
Date: Date
Time: Unknown or Time

So just those three primary types could then encompass a whole lot of things, with lots of sorting flexibility and information. And other primary and secondary types could be added too, of course.
Title: Re: Jumping Jack Flash: It's A Gas Gas Gas!
Post by: Surly1 on March 29, 2015, 03:56:32 AM
Yes, I see how useful that might be. Can't do every event, but then some of them aren't really worth mapping anyway. So what do you think about mapping the following:

* Residential explosions
* Passenger planes crashing
* Any kind of plane burning
* Boat fires and explosions
* Big rig fires and explosions
* Major scrap metal fires, like auto salvage yards and metal recycling centers
* Any vehicle fire where 10+ vehicles burn
* All explosions involving nitric acid
* Naked crazy people incidents
* College students and kids mysteriously dropping dead
* Anybody dying foaming at the mouth
* Fatal non-accident vehicle fires
* Major train crashes and derailments
* Any vehicle crash with 10+ fatalities
* Mysterious city-shaking explosions
* Cities being hit by hydrogen sulfide or 'rotten egg' odor

That will leave out many accidents, and a lot of vehicle fires, and a lot of the people dying, but that should include enough to be very interesting, and hopefully restricting it to just those won't eat up TOO much (more) of my time. Heh.

And any other suggestions?

Fish kills?

Bird kills?

Other die-offs?
Title: Re: Jumping Jack Flash: It's A Gas Gas Gas!
Post by: Jonny_Emm on March 29, 2015, 04:09:39 AM
Fish kills?

Bird kills?

Other die-offs?

Yes, thanks, soooo...

Type: Biosphere Mortality
SubType: Fish, Bird, Moose, etc
Parked: NA
Number: 1 (one die-off)
Fatalities: 5000 (estimated dead critter count, though sometimes it's in tons for fish, so estimate, say, 1000 per ton)
Casualties: 0
Odor: Unknown
Likely Gas: Unknown
NewsCount: 2
NewsLink: httpblahblah
Location: LongLat
Date: Date
Time: Unknown or Time

I guess I better find a decent smallish preferably free database program that imports/exports comma-delimited fields. Heh, thought my days of databasing were over. I used to write software back in the 90s, including a lot of database stuff. Alas, I didn't keep any of my tools or anything, because I thought those days were over. Ah well.
Title: Re: Jumping Jack Flash: It's A Gas Gas Gas!
Post by: RE on March 29, 2015, 06:07:50 AM

I guess I better find a decent smallish preferably free database program that imports/exports comma-delimited fields. Heh, thought my days of databasing were over. I used to write software back in the 90s, including a lot of database stuff. Alas, I didn't keep any of my tools or anything, because I thought those days were over. Ah well.

Apache Open Office has an Access similar Relational Database application.  Free Open Source Download.

Alternatively, you can set up a flat table DB on Google Docs which would be available to everyone online, and other people could add items to it.  You can even make a Form for people to use to drop in the records.

In this case, you also want fields for Date Posted as well as Date of Event, and a Field for who posted it with an (optional) link to drop in an email address.

You should make as many Drop Down Menus of choices possible as you can, so the records have uniformity without keyboarding errors, and also to make it faster to enter a record.  Date of entry can be automated.

If multiple people are entering, you will have a problem with Duplicate Records with different people entering the same occurrence, so maybe you just want it to be Read-Only for users.

RE
Title: Re: Jumping Jack Flash: It's A Gas Gas Gas!
Post by: JRM on March 29, 2015, 08:19:27 AM
Yes, I see how useful that might be. Can't do every event, but then some of them aren't really worth mapping anyway. So what do you think about mapping the following:

* Residential explosions
* Passenger planes crashing
* Any kind of plane burning
* Boat fires and explosions
* Big rig fires and explosions
* Major scrap metal fires, like auto salvage yards and metal recycling centers
* Any vehicle fire where 10+ vehicles burn
* All explosions involving nitric acid
* Naked crazy people incidents
* College students and kids mysteriously dropping dead
* Anybody dying foaming at the mouth
* Fatal non-accident vehicle fires
* Major train crashes and derailments
* Any vehicle crash with 10+ fatalities
* Mysterious city-shaking explosions
* Cities being hit by hydrogen sulfide or 'rotten egg' odor

That will leave out many accidents, and a lot of vehicle fires, and a lot of the people dying, but that should include enough to be very interesting, and hopefully restricting it to just those won't eat up TOO much (more) of my time. Heh.

And any other suggestions?

Fish kills?

Bird kills?

Other die-offs?

__________________________

Of course, all of this data collection would not be very impressive as evidence if the cause of these events is merely presumed without any solid evidential basis, as has been the habit of azozeo and Jonny_Emm .
Title: Re: Jumping Jack Flash: It's A Gas Gas Gas!
Post by: RE on March 29, 2015, 08:35:13 AM
Of course, all of this data collection would not be very impressive as evidence if the cause of these events is merely presumed without any solid evidential basis, as has been the habit of azozeo and Jonny_Emm .

Actually, with enough data collection, you don't need the Cause at all.  All you need to do is show that the incidents are increasing in frequency and magnitude over time.  Then you can project out a curve which would show how long it will take before everyone is Foaming at the Mouth or Spontaneously Combusting.

What the data collection and analysis does do is encourage a deeper investigation into the cause of these incidents.  Without the data collection, you won't get such a "scientific" investigation.

It's a worthwhile task.  Definitely, the amount of Anecdotal Evidence JE has collected to date is very impressive.

RE
Title: Re: Jumping Jack Flash: It's A Gas Gas Gas!
Post by: MKing on March 29, 2015, 08:50:03 AM

It's a worthwhile task.  Definitely, the amount of Anecdotal Evidence JE has collected to date is very impressive.

RE

So was the information collected along the way by the eugenics movement. Motivation matters, when  it is the believers doing the information collecting and studying, it instantly begs the question of objectivity.
Title: Re: Jumping Jack Flash: It's A Gas Gas Gas!
Post by: RE on March 29, 2015, 08:58:40 AM

It's a worthwhile task.  Definitely, the amount of Anecdotal Evidence JE has collected to date is very impressive.

RE

So was the information collected along the way by the eugenics movement. Motivation matters, when  it is the believers doing the information collecting and studying, it instantly begs the question of objectivity.

Yes, we know this problem from Fracker Shills who purport to be scientists also.  Lack of objectivity is always a problem when people have an agenda they wish to promote.  Your papers for instance are filled with complete bullshit.

RE
Title: Re: Jumping Jack Flash: It's A Gas Gas Gas!
Post by: JRM on March 29, 2015, 09:20:58 AM
Of course, all of this data collection would not be very impressive as evidence if the cause of these events is merely presumed without any solid evidential basis, as has been the habit of azozeo and Jonny_Emm .

Actually, with enough data collection, you don't need the Cause at all.  All you need to do is show that the incidents are increasing in frequency and magnitude over time.  Then you can project out a curve which would show how long it will take before everyone is Foaming at the Mouth or Spontaneously Combusting.

The basic methodology of research in something like this would probably be the methods of epidemiology.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epidemiology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epidemiology)
Title: Re: Jumping Jack Flash: It's A Gas Gas Gas!
Post by: RE on March 29, 2015, 09:28:19 AM
Of course, all of this data collection would not be very impressive as evidence if the cause of these events is merely presumed without any solid evidential basis, as has been the habit of azozeo and Jonny_Emm .

Actually, with enough data collection, you don't need the Cause at all.  All you need to do is show that the incidents are increasing in frequency and magnitude over time.  Then you can project out a curve which would show how long it will take before everyone is Foaming at the Mouth or Spontaneously Combusting.

The basic methodology of research in something like this would probably be the methods of epidemiology.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epidemiology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epidemiology)

A good suggestion, but we do lack the ability here to do such things as Clinical Trials and controlled experiments on smaller populations that Epidemiologists at say the CDC have available.

So, the best we can do here at the moment is to collect the data, sort it and look for patterns.  It won't be conclusive, but it's better than just piles of anecdotal data.

In any event, there is a LOT of data to work with here.  The number of stories that JE has collected up over time is phenomenal.

RE
Title: Re: Jumping Jack Flash: It's A Gas Gas Gas!
Post by: MKing on March 29, 2015, 09:48:03 AM

It's a worthwhile task.  Definitely, the amount of Anecdotal Evidence JE has collected to date is very impressive.

RE

So was the information collected along the way by the eugenics movement. Motivation matters, when  it is the believers doing the information collecting and studying, it instantly begs the question of objectivity.

Yes, we know this problem from Fracker Shills who purport to be scientists also.

Really? Name one.

Quote from: RE
Lack of objectivity is always a problem when people have an agenda they wish to promote. 

Science isn't supposed to be about promoting, certainly who funds any given scientists work is a reasonable question. Just as when discussing the ability of amateurs to do exploratory data analysis with an agenda, or the knowledge that stars are forming under our feet, Yellowstone was supposed to explode months ago according to these objective and scientific amateurs, and the Andes were caused by nearby celestial bodies. And now, those who don't know the difference between H2S, have certainly never been trained to work within that kind of environment, and who's noses don't know the difference between any sulfide in general and H2S, are to be put in charge of the data collection.

As opposed to those who have a history being objective, have published exploratory data analysis results as scientists in peer reviewed journals, are required to report all financial ties to maintain objectivity, and have decades of experience beyond reproach in this regard.

Quote from: RE

Your papers for instance are filled with complete bullshit.

RE

Never in my life have I written a paper full of bullshit, do you have one in particular in mind? I mean really I've been doing peer reviewed science for so long I might have forgotten one that was a bit sketchy I suppose, back in the early days.
Title: Re: Jumping Jack Flash: It's A Gas Gas Gas!
Post by: Petty Tyrant on March 29, 2015, 10:24:48 AM

It's a worthwhile task.  Definitely, the amount of Anecdotal Evidence JE has collected to date is very impressive.

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So was the information collected along the way by the eugenics movement. Motivation matters, when  it is the believers doing the information collecting and studying, it instantly begs the question of objectivity.

wow just wow, i thought the comparison with eugenics was for agw denial to discredit the empirical scientific method and the argument is they did not colect any information.
Title: Re: Jumping Jack Flash: It's A Gas Gas Gas!
Post by: RE on March 29, 2015, 10:34:34 AM
Really? Name one.

All of them.  Feel free to put any one of them up and we will Peer Review it here on the Diner.  :icon_sunny:

Man, you fell for that one like an amateur. That was the easiest set up I have done in years. LOL.

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Title: Re: Jumping Jack Flash: It's A Gas Gas Gas!
Post by: Petty Tyrant on March 29, 2015, 10:37:11 AM
its funny really considering eugenicists would ask you if he is an asshole and then ask him if his father was an asshole and then cut off his nuts to prevnt future assholes being born, when in fact natural selection definitely does not apply to personality.



It's a worthwhile task.  Definitely, the amount of Anecdotal Evidence JE has collected to date is very impressive.

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So was the information collected along the way by the eugenics movement. Motivation matters, when  it is the believers doing the information collecting and studying, it instantly begs the question of objectivity.

Yes, we know this problem from Fracker Shills who purport to be scientists also.  Lack of objectivity is always a problem when people have an agenda they wish to promote.  Your papers for instance are filled with complete bullshit.

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Title: Re: Jumping Jack Flash: It's A Gas Gas Gas!
Post by: azozeo on March 29, 2015, 02:01:47 PM

It's a worthwhile task.  Definitely, the amount of Anecdotal Evidence JE has collected to date is very impressive.

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So was the information collected along the way by the eugenics movement. Motivation matters, when  it is the believers doing the information collecting and studying, it instantly begs the question of objectivity.

Yes, we know this problem from Fracker Shills who purport to be scientists also.  Lack of objectivity is always a problem when people have an agenda they wish to promote.  Your papers for instance are filled with complete bullshit.

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It never fails.....

There's always speed bumps on the Autobahn.
Thank you peanut gallery for your precious input !!!!
Title: Re: Jumping Jack Flash: It's A Gas Gas Gas!
Post by: azozeo on March 29, 2015, 02:06:37 PM
Really? Name one.

All of them.  Feel free to put any one of them up and we will Peer Review it here on the Diner.  :icon_sunny:

Man, you fell for that one like an amateur. That was the easiest set up I have done in years. LOL.

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I'm like the dog at a Sunday bar b que  waitin' on this to happen !!!!!
Title: Re: Jumping Jack Flash: It's A Gas Gas Gas!
Post by: jdwheeler42 on March 29, 2015, 03:01:36 PM
A good suggestion, but we do lack the ability here to do such things as Clinical Trials and controlled experiments on smaller populations that Epidemiologists at say the CDC have available.
Maybe we could do some controlled experiments at sites being actively fracked?  :evil4:  Or better yet, how about Wall Street, the City of London, or Davos at the right time of year?  :icon_mrgreen:
Title: Re: Jumping Jack Flash: It's A Gas Gas Gas!
Post by: RE on March 29, 2015, 09:03:24 PM
Really? Name one.

All of them.  Feel free to put any one of them up and we will Peer Review it here on the Diner.  :icon_sunny:

Man, you fell for that one like an amateur. That was the easiest set up I have done in years. LOL.

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As usual, Moriarty rather than provide us with a paper he wrote simply pitches more BULLSHIT which has been DNFed.  :icon_sunny:

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He also claims not to know what a "Fracker Shill" is.  Try looking in the mirror.  ::)

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Title: Re: Jumping Jack Flash: It's A Gas Gas Gas!
Post by: RE on April 13, 2015, 08:23:12 PM
Chinese apartment goes up in flames in 30 seconds. H/T Zero Hedge.


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Title: Methane Exploding out of a Pond in Canada
Post by: RE on June 25, 2015, 11:37:43 PM
The Earth is turning into a Giant Fizzie!

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http://www.youtube.com/v/HgcXgI7SY_Q
Title: 🚒 Gas explosion destroys building in Columbia, MD
Post by: RE on August 25, 2019, 06:59:11 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/P4YdbOUWUrQ
Title: Re: Jumping Jack Flash: It's A Gas Gas Gas!
Post by: azozeo on August 27, 2019, 12:14:21 PM
Chinese apartment goes up in flames in 30 seconds. H/T Zero Hedge.

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The utube gestapo jacked your vid......
Title: Re: Jumping Jack Flash: It's A Gas Gas Gas!
Post by: azozeo on September 03, 2019, 04:37:20 PM


Duck Season.... WABBIT SEASON !


http://www.youtube.com/v/PQ20ZuVNQrY&fs=1
Title: Re: Jumping Jack Flash: It's A Gas Gas Gas!
Post by: azozeo on September 25, 2019, 11:23:36 AM
 Not One, but "SIX" GALAXIES JUST SUDDENLY IGNITED INTO VORACIOUS QUASARS

Speed Run

Researchers have spotted not one but six previously quiet galaxies suddenly transforming into voracious quasars — a transition that could force astronomers to revisit what they thought they knew about one of the brightest, most energetic types of objects in the universe.

“Theory suggests that a quasar should take thousands of years to turn on,” researcher Suvi Gezari of the University of Maryland said in a press release, “but these observations suggest that it can happen very quickly. It tells us that the theory is all wrong.”
Zwicky Situation

According to the researchers’ paper, which was recently published in The Astrophysical Journal, the team made the discovery while looking at data gathered by the Zwicky Transient Facility during its first nine months surveying the sky.

During that short period of time, the survey caught six low-ionization nuclear emission-line region (LINER) galaxies — a common, mildly active type of galaxy — transforming into bright, energetic quasars.
Galactic Mystery

Follow-up observations with the Discovery Channel Telescope provided the researchers with more information about the six LINER galaxies’ transformations. Now, they’re trying to use what they’ve learned to figure out why the transitions happened so suddenly and dramatically.

“It will take some work to understand what can disrupt a galaxy’s accretion structure and cause these changes on such short order,” researcher Sara Frederick said in the press release. “The forces at play must be very extreme and very dramatic.”

READ MORE: Astronomers watch six galaxies suddenly fire up into quasars [New Atlas]

More on quasars: Newly Spotted Quasar Is 600 Trillion Times Brighter Than the Sun




https://futurism.com/the-byte/six-galaxies-suddenly-ignited-quasars?utm_source=The+Future+Is&utm_campaign=4622e83625-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2019_09_24_05_53&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_03cd0a26cd-4622e83625-246852845&mc_cid=4622e83625&mc_eid=5a5d8c2077
Title: Re: Jumping Jack Flash: It's A Gas Gas Gas!
Post by: azozeo on November 04, 2019, 10:49:08 AM


For decades, archaeologists have agreed that Homo sapiens were the first to create and use fire some 400,000 years ago, marking a profound turning point in the cultural aspect of human evolution because it provided a source of warmth and protection.

But new data from a team of researchers at the University of Connecticut, working in conjunction with colleagues from Armenia, the United Kingdom, and Spain suggests that early humans such as Neanderthals also controlled fire and had mastered the ability to generate it.



https://www.ancient-code.com/new-study-suggests-homo-sapiens-were-not-the-first-to-use-fire/ (https://www.ancient-code.com/new-study-suggests-homo-sapiens-were-not-the-first-to-use-fire/)
Title: Scientists Accidentally Recreate Big Bang Detonation in the Lab
Post by: azozeo on November 06, 2019, 11:41:43 AM

t can’t be good news when the headline includes the words “Big Bang” and “Accidentally,” so get ready for what could potentially be bad news about the end of the world as we know it. The good news is … we’re still here … so far.

    “A unified mechanism for unconfined deflagration-to-detonation transition in terrestrial chemical systems and type Ia supernovae.”

That’s scientist-speak for “Uh-oh … we just created a Big Bang detonation in our lab” and the title of a new paper published this week in Science detailing how researchers at the University of Central Florida, whose motto is “Reach for the Stars” may have reached all the way back to the first ones created by the Big Bang. UCF is home of the nation’s only “turbulent shock tube” and Kareem Ahmed, assistant professor in the Department of Mechanical and Aerospace Engineering and a co-author of the study, was using it to explore new ways of hypersonic jet propulsion. According to the press release, the two-inch-by-two-inch turbulent shock tube allowed Ahmed and his colleagues to apply the right amount of turbulence to an unconfined flame until it became self-perpetuating, eventually creating a “Mach 5 hypersonic supernova explosion.”

That all sounds promising … except for the words “supernova explosion.”



https://mysteriousuniverse.org/2019/11/scientists-accidentally-recreate-big-bang-detonation-in-the-lab/