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Title: Down the Rabbit Hole
Post by: el Gallinazo on July 15, 2012, 04:56:57 PM
No matter how paranoid I get, I just can't keep up with reality.
-Paraphrase of Lily Tomlin

In my short time here on the DD, I have already come out with some pretty outrageous statements.  Not only am I a traditional anti-Illuminati conspiracy theorist, which is rather old hat on DD, but I fall more along the David Icke camp, which adds to the Illuminati theorist syndrome UFO's and ETI's (defined as non-human intelligences), the secret space program and breakaway civilization, free energy, and that Icke is right and there is a race of extra-dimensional beings (I would actually  refer to them as extra-density beings) that have preyed on the human race for millennia and are really calling the shots.  When they tell David Rockefeller or the Rothschilds to jump, they ask how high.

So how did a nice boy from New Jersey come to this sad end?  Was I born that way, and not only avoided the Men in Black but also the Men in White all these years?  Did I take a red pill I found on the street or did I find one of those nifty sunglasses as featured on They Live!?  The truth is that I became disaffected with the establishment at a pretty early age.  In the fifth grade, an uncle told me that he thought flying saucers were real and I should read this book by Major Donald Keyhoe to check it out.  I was a very scientifically oriented kid and knew how far each planet was from earth.  So I found a copy in the library, checked it out and read it.  Shortly thereafter I learned that Keyhoe was about to have a debate on national TV with the Air Farce.  I was quite excited about it.  It was before everything was videotaped in advance.  We have this  from the Wiki piece on Keyhoe:

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On 22 January 1958 Keyhoe appeared on a CBS live television show the Armstrong Circle Theatre to speak on the topic of UFOs. Keyhoe charged that a U.S. Congressional committee was evaluating evidence that "will absolutely prove that the UFOs are machines under intelligent control". However CBS stopped the audio portion of the live broadcast. Herbert A. Carlborg, CBS Director of Editing stated "this program had been carefully cleared for security reasons."

Well, I wouldn't describe myself as a kid with a lot of street smarts, but that little incident sort of put it in the bag for me.  Off and on for the next 50 years I would update the UFO scene.  It was obvious that there was a multigenerational conspiracy by the shadow government to keep the ET/UFO thing covered up though I was not sure of their true motivations.

About 5 years ago I started to study macro-economics and became active on TAE.  After four years of this, I started to connect the dots and realized that the Illuminati cabal was real and running the show, and the people at TAE were really in the dark.  This triggered a whole lot of research and things just snowballed.

But when you are sitting in that electrolyte bath, all plugged in, and Morpheus isn't coming along to offer some Day-Glo pills not to mention (again) those nifty sunglasses, how do you peek past the Matrix.  I only know of two ways.  One way is through very advanced meditation where you leave your 3D body for little trips elsewhere, or go down to the tropics, hook up with some shamans, and take some DMT botanicals involving lots of vomiting and diarrhea.  Haven't done the shaman route and never got very far in mediation.  The other way is to look for anomalies.  The false reality bullshit that we are being fed is full of glitches and anomalies, and its fun to find one, and pull on it like a thread hanging off of an arrogant woman's  skirt made of a poorly woven fabric.  There is no telling where that might lead in this age of the internet.

And here is a tale of a curious man who did just that - Martyn Stubbs, former director of a community cable station in Vancouver, BC.  The following link is the first of a youtube 8 part series.  It gets curiouser and curiouser as you go along.  Stubbs recently came down with a malignant brain tumor, and it was reported as fact in the conspiracy media that he had died of it.  But recently it has come out that he has, in fact survived the cancer (so far), and is keeping his head well below the ridge line now and will not divulge his location or give more interviews.

Stubbs was a professional video man who saw a flicker in the public NASA shuttle download footage (1/30th of a second to be exact) and just pulled on the thread.  OTOH, this stuff was hiding in plain sight.  NASA could have encrypted it in addition to just hiding it, and Stubbs would never have unraveled that skirt.  Go figure.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLPXI06Sp5U# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLPXI06Sp5U#)

Happy viewing

Which also gets to why I rarely get into ridiculous, long winded debates.  Most people just don't want their apple cart of reality scattered all over the road, particularly when it turns out that Hannibal Lecter is your next door neighbor.  The only way people will believe that they live in a thought controlled Matrix reality is for them to become curious and fearless enough to take a shovel and start digging out the truth themselves.  No thinking munchkin believes without putting in a lot of personal sweat.  Shouting at one's fellow muppets to Wake Up! just makes them more determined to keep on dreaming.  And trying to uncover the Truth is worse than being one of John La Carre's spymasters.  Disinformation and  bullshit are everywhere.  The last thing that the Consortium (I use that term to reflect the alliance of the Illuminati and their non-human associates) want is for us muppets to wake up.  It would be very, very inconvenient for them.  And they have all the money in the world, the non-humans have a much higher IQ than us, are usually invisible, and can travel in time to some extent.  We stand as much chance as a herd of cattle, which is just how the Predators regard us.  Except a typical rancher or shepherd is a lot more empathetic to his herd or flock than the Predators are to us.  But the one thing that these peoplepokes don't want is a stampede.  That can get really messy.

So what is the point of watching Stubbs' investigation?  Just pointing out that , hey, there's is a hanging thread if you want to come pull on it. They are everywhere but this one's a beaut.
Title: Re: Down the Rabbit Hole
Post by: RE on July 15, 2012, 05:25:37 PM
Hey El G!

I'll put this one up as a Blog Article.

You got a different pic to use than the Snail?

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Title: Re: Down the Rabbit Hole
Post by: RE on July 15, 2012, 06:29:32 PM
Down the Rabbit Hole (http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/blog/2012/07/15/down-the-rabbit-hole/) now up on the Diner Blog, complete with RE supplied graphics.  :icon_mrgreen:

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Title: Re: Down the Rabbit Hole
Post by: Tao Jonesing on July 15, 2012, 10:05:43 PM
Hey, El G.

I'm not here to tell you that you're wrong.  You've found your truth, and are welcome to it.

The one thing I'd say is that your truth is so far away from the current norm that merely speaking it is PERCEIVED as shouting by most people. 

This is my single biggest concern when it comes to waking folks up to reality.  The 1% of the Occupy movement is quite easy to understand and can be supported by data.  Illuminati and Reptilians can't.  Where everybody here agrees is that there is an unidentified elite (more like 0.1% than 1%) who dictate policy.  Where we disagree is the nature of this "elite."  But do we really need to identify the "elite" to identify the dynamic that enslaves us?  The nature and identity of the elite are irrelevant if we refuse the enslaving dynamic, right?  The only power they have is that which we give them.
Title: Re: Down the Rabbit Hole
Post by: RE on July 16, 2012, 02:44:02 AM
The nature and identity of the elite are irrelevant if we refuse the enslaving dynamic, right?  The only power they have is that which we give them.

El G is Outta Touch for a couple of days so won't respond too soon if he even doesat all, since as he mentions he does not like to do endless debating about his ideas.

From my POV, I agree with you TJ it is irrelevant whether the Illuminati are Reptilian Aliens, Old Jews, Satanists or just this Generation's Crop of Greedy Scumbag Pigmen who are close to the Levers of Power.  Whatever they are, they are the ENEMY.  Not the Welfare Queens, not the Islamic Fundamentalists, not even the Christian Fundamentalists are the ENEMY. The ENEMY are the folks pulling the Strings of Power and Raping Mother Earth for their own Self-Aggrandizement.

I do NOT agree we can render them Impotent merely by attempting to "refuse the enslaving dynamic, right?"  Nor is true that  "The only power they have is that which we give them."

The Enslaving Dynamic is the result of Millenia of building control structures which at this point basically encircle the Earth and are very close to inescapable.  They do require large amounts of Energy to keep in place though, so as the Energy becomes less available, the control structures and the ED will begin to fail in earnest.  We are not there YET though.  The Illuminati still hold most of the cards and most of the POWER necessary to keep J6P in Thrall.  We do not "Give" them the POWER, they TAKE it because they control the Conduits of Money, Energy, Communications and even Food and Water.

(http://gifsoup.com/view5/3887253/apache-helicopter-o.gif)
Taking BACK this Control can only occur once the Conduits Fail.  Until then, they will use the Apache Helicopter Gunships, the LRAD, Microwaves and Tear Gas to keep J6P in Subjugation.  We are NOT Enslaved here WILLINGLY.  We are Enslaved by OVERWHELMING FORCE DIFFERENTIAL
(http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6239/6345716621_e3b251cdff.jpg)
We are all OWSers facing down the RoboCops of the NYPD and Oakland  who can violate the Law and the Constitution as they see fit to do, or as Bloomberg tells them to do. Their JOBS are on the Line, and the JOB is to Follow the Orders of the Elite.  As Surly often points out from Jay Gould, "You can always hire 1/2 the Working Class to Kill the Other Half"

ONLY for so long as the Capitalista Class has functioning MONEY with which to pay 1/2 the Working Class though. When they work their way down to only having enough money to pay 10% of the Working Class to Kill the other 90% and the Apache Helicopter Gunships no longer have Fuel, they will be in a WORLD OF SHIT.

That day is not here.  YET.  That Day WILL COME though.  I GUARANTEE IT.

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Title: Re: Down the Rabbit Hole
Post by: Ashvin on July 16, 2012, 12:16:02 PM
Well, I am in agreement with El G and disagreement with TJ and RE that the nature of the enemy forces do not matter. The truth always matters, IMO, whether the "public" is ready to hear it or not. I am also in agreement with El G in so far as what we are dealing with here are non-human intelligences and "extra-dimensional beings" that have preyed on humanity for many centuries. There is no good reason to describe them as physical biological creatures that have evolved in other parts of the Universe.

However, I do not agree that these forces necessarily tie into the concepts of a "breakaway civilization" or free energy (this is not needed to explain their "visitations"). And I believe David Icke's formulation is ass-backwards, stemming from Gnosticism and Theosophy. He has fallen for the deception that these beings have been planting the whole time - i.e. that humanity was created by an ET species and that there are good beings who are also visiting us from these extra dimensions, who will aid humanity in "evolving its collective consciousness" and creating a more harmonious society.

Here's a simple thread to pull on:

Quote from: 2Corinithians11
14 And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.

Why is it that UFO sightings almost always involve very ephemeral and illuminated objects, such as balls or streaks of light? Lucifer, after all, means the illuminated or "shining one", or "light-bringer", originally referencing the "morning star" passage in the Book of Isaiah.

Why is the existence of these UFOs made so damn obvious for the general public, i.e. "hiding in plain sight"? And why has it infiltrated popular culture, i.e. TV/movies, to the extent that it has?

Why do UFO contactees receive messages that are so anti-religious, and specifically anti-Biblical, and even more specifically anti-Jesus? A lot of these messages make reference to Jesus, but not one of them will ever affirm Him as the Son of the true living God.

Why do researchers find so many parallels between horrific abduction experiences and demonic possession, including the various sexual experiences and the ability to combat them with the authority of Christ?

I would posit that the entirety of the UFO phenomenon cannot be understood outside of the context of demonology, which is the explanation of its origins and its goals that best fits the available evidence. If you don't want to take this argument from a fundamentalist Christian, then how about Charles Upton the Sufi poet and metaphysician?

http://www.youtube.com/v/2TkBxyYUQMA?version=3&feature=player_embedded

Amazon description of the book that the above interview is based on, "Cracks in the Great Wall" (2005):

"Can we really know what UFO's are? The answer is Yes-but only if we study them armed with a kind of knowledge that explains the true and complete structure of the universe-spiritual, psychic, and material-a knowledge that only traditional metaphysics can provide. Science can supply one piece of the puzzle, detective work another, psychic investigation still another. But only metaphysics can put the puzzle together, and give us a complete and satisfying picture of the UFO phenomenon. Cracks in the Great Wall analyzes of the findings of UFO researcher Jacques Vallee and some of his colleagues in light of the teachings of René Guénon, particularly as expressed in his prophetic masterpiece The Reign of Quantity and the Signs of the Times. According to Guénon, one of the signs of the End Times is the erosion of the energy barrier or 'Great Wall' between the material plane and the world of subtle realities-which is why our world is now being invaded by 'infra-psychic forces' of a terribly destructive nature. Author Charles Upton shows how one of the most obvious examples of this invasion is the UFO phenomenon, including the experience of 'alien abduction'. A lifetime student of comparative religion and mysticism, he explains the true nature of UFOs, the quality of the world they come from, and also something about the agenda these beings, or some of them, are trying to impose upon our world.  If you want to remain merely mystified or fascinated by the UFO phenomenon, this book is not for you. But if you want to understand it, Cracks in the Great Wall will give you the conceptual tools you need. With the help of UFOlogists Jacques Vallee and John E. Mack, Christian writers C.S. Lewis and Seraphim Rose, Kaballah authority Leo Schaya, and traditionalist writers René Guénon and Whitall Perry, Charles Upton has provided the most comprehensive explanation of the UFO phenomenon yet written. It is difficult to be objective in areas outside our collective view of reality-but if, as the author contends,  his argument is based on sound  principles, it deserves serious consideration by all who are interested in the UFO phenomenon  and its effect on our world."
Title: Re: Down the Rabbit Hole
Post by: Surly1 on July 16, 2012, 01:15:47 PM
Fascinating.

I have little time for aliens, reptilians, UFOs and the like, because I have no direct experience with any of this stuff and have had a hard time believing in shapeshifting aliens-- that don't run central banks, anyhow. I am also ready to admit that I may be mistaken.

But Ashvin touches on something interesting-- I have read in various accounts, that abductees calling upon the name of Jesus have had their "abductions" cease. Don't believe me: google "UFO abduction call on Jesus," as I did, and you will find a number of testimonies from sources for whom I cannot vouch, but for whom numbers make their own kind of statement.

There is something interesting and worthy of further investigation about viewing the abduction phenomenon as part of the continuum of demonic possession.
Title: Re: Down the Rabbit Hole
Post by: roamer on July 16, 2012, 02:55:26 PM
I don't know I'm just not feeling the actual physical alien phenomena.  I think I'm closer to Ashvin views on the subject.  I think UFO's and alien abductions are actually people making external projections of internal spiritual phenomena. Like Surly I too find the claim that calling calling out Jesus's name made several abductions stop to be fairly fascinating. 
I think that supports the idea that these "abductions" are actually internal spiritual episodes and that Jesus being the most standard accepted form of divinity would naturally be the most called upon and successful antidote during these attacks.  What would be more curious is to hear if any other spiritual figures were successfully used in the attacks.
Bottom line for me is we don't need actual evil external physical entities such as aliens  to control and damn earth when clearly we already have a wide variety of non physical beings to do this work.  For the non spiritual amongst us, just think of these as really nasty memes, memes we all can unwittingly become hosts to.
Title: Re: Down the Rabbit Hole
Post by: Karpatok on July 16, 2012, 03:10:45 PM
"There is something interesting and worthy of further investigation about viewing the abduction phenomenon as part of the continuum of demonic possession". Surly                                                                                                                                                                                                                    My thought precisely. It has been a long haul for humanity to try and pull itself out of the abyss of superstition, ignorance and animal like fear that accompanied it throughout evolutionary history. Under periods of chaos and confusion such as was experienced after the fall of the Roman Empire in the west as well as today when the basics of integration and security in modern society are breaking down with ever increasing threat to ability to survive the loss of fossil fuels, food supply, meaningful work, acquisition of necessaries through stable fiat,etc. It is much easier to lapse into unrealistic delusions of control by external superhuman forces than to man up and face the really unpleasant forces in plain view right in broad daylight. As Pogo said," We have seen the enemy, and it is us." How easy and cowardly it is to place control of our fates on forces way beyond our control,ie."the devil made me do it", "the devil is always looking for an opportunity to take advantage of our sexual impulses," "I was abducted by aliens so I couldn't possibly be responsible for the sexual orgy in which I participated and which I enjoyed." Especially the most homophobic among us, those who under stress must project their greatest fears about themselves outside of themselves, claiming possession by witches, demons, spirits of every variety. Must every victory over the irrational now be given up in light of the betrayal of the populace by the polity? Is this truly the way to save ourselves and our planet from destruction?
Title: Re: Down the Rabbit Hole
Post by: Tao Jonesing on July 16, 2012, 06:42:44 PM
It has been a long haul for humanity to try and pull itself out of the abyss of superstition, ignorance and animal like fear that accompanied it throughout evolutionary history.

Your "abyss of superstition, ignorance and anaimal like fear" has been a feature-- not a bug-- of humanity that has been fostered by the elite for millenia.  As a species we have NEVER tried to pull ourselves out of that abyss.  In the West, the elites -- first the orthodoxy of the Roman Catholic Church and then the orthodoxy of the Enlightenment (e.g., the assertion that economics is a science, which is just as much based on faith and myths as any religion) -- have done their best to make sure we can't try to pull ourselves out of the abyss.  The fact is that once we recognize the abyss for what it is, the elites change the form of the abyss so we no longer recognize it as such.

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Under periods of chaos and confusion such as was experienced after the fall of the Roman Empire in the west as well as today when the basics of integration and security in modern society are breaking down with ever increasing threat to ability to survive the loss of fossil fuels, food supply, meaningful work, acquisition of necessaries through stable fiat,etc. It is much easier to lapse into unrealistic delusions of control by external superhuman forces than to man up and face the really unpleasant forces in plain view right in broad daylight. As Pogo said," We have seen the enemy, and it is us." How easy and cowardly it is to place control of our fates on forces way beyond our control,ie."the devil made me do it", "the devil is always looking for an opportunity to take advantage of our sexual impulses," "I was abducted by aliens so I couldn't possibly be responsible for the sexual orgy in which I participated and which I enjoyed." Especially the most homophobic among us, those who under stress must project their greatest fears about themselves outside of themselves, claiming possession by witches, demons, spirits of every variety. Must every victory over the irrational now be given up in light of the betrayal of the populace by the polity? Is this truly the way to save ourselves and our planet from destruction?

Yep.
Title: Re: Down the Rabbit Hole
Post by: g on July 16, 2012, 07:03:02 PM
Quote Karpatok "As Pogo said," We have seen the enemy, and it is us." How easy and cowardly it is to place control of our fates on forces way beyond our control,ie."the devil made me do it", "the devil is always looking for an opportunity to take advantage of our sexual impulses," "I was abducted by aliens so I couldn't possibly be responsible for the sexual orgy in which I participated and which I enjoyed."

Taking responsibility for one's actions has gone the way of integrity, honesty, respect, self reliance, perseverance; and has ushered in a torrent of all this nonsense and bullshit to explain how we just plain suck as a society and couldn't care less. "The devil made me do it", what a sad fucking joke.   :eusa_boohoo:
Title: Re: Down the Rabbit Hole
Post by: Karpatok on July 16, 2012, 07:49:40 PM
Tao: You are usually quite eloquent but in this case I don't know to what the "yep"refers and also how the elites have changed the form of the abyss. Care to elaborate?                                                                                                                                                                                          GO: You seem to have dumbed down and modified my post to some extent. I am not just speaking about "taking responsibility for our actions" but about psychological projection taking place against a background of lack of integration of the personality or the ability to accept all the parts of ourselves without having to disown them. In other words, a whole psyche versus a split or fractured one where only good and righteousness resides within and anything unacceptable such as sexuality for example is cast out and projected elsewhere.
Title: Re: Down the Rabbit Hole
Post by: g on July 16, 2012, 09:02:27 PM
Tao: You are usually quite eloquent but in this case I don't know to what the "yep"refers and also how the elites have changed the form of the abyss. Care to elaborate?                                                                                                                                                                                          GO: You seem to have dumbed down and modified my post to some extent. I am not just speaking about "taking responsibility for our actions" but about psychological projection taking place against a background of lack of integration of the personality or the ability to accept all the parts of ourselves without having to disown them. In other words, a whole psyche versus a split or fractured one where only good and righteousness resides within and anything unacceptable such as sexuality for example is cast out and projected elsewhere.

Sorry K, It was not intentional. Embarrassed that I missed the depth of your message the first go round. Thank you for the elaboration.    GO
Title: Re: Down the Rabbit Hole
Post by: hellsbells on July 16, 2012, 09:10:41 PM
I always had a suspicious mind too.... when everyone in authority pointed that way, I looked in the other. Now that I'm safe here in the diner, doors closed and shade drawn  ::)  I can confess that for my whole life I've gotten particular pleasure from seeing the presented, accepted "truths" get smashed.

I came well enough by it, I suppose. My parents were both free thinkers. My mother was hot on the JFK conspiracy long before it was popular, and she also liked the Von Daniken books. Her view was - Really, why couldn't it have been some space aliens visiting? Makes more sense than the idea that an entire South American civilization would put all that effort into making designs on a plateau that could only be seen from the air for unknown  religious reasons when they might have had better things to do- like tend the farms and stuff. My father simply never trusted the authorities and quietly bucked the system whenever he could.

I like Icke in many ways, but yeah- I'll have to agree with some of the comments here that the reptilian space alien thing is a bit of a put-off for most people, and it tends to discredit him. I don't cite Icke when I'm trying to draw someone new down the rabbit hole.

Not that the evil cabal couldn't be shapeshifting reptilian space aliens- they might be. At this time, however, I feel no need to go there. From what I know of human nature, there's plenty of evidence that it's a real human evil and stupidity we're dealing with.

Title: Re: Down the Rabbit Hole
Post by: Ashvin on July 16, 2012, 09:51:31 PM
I came well enough by it, I suppose. My parents were both free thinkers. My mother was hot on the JFK conspiracy long before it was popular, and she also liked the Von Daniken books. Her view was - Really, why couldn't it have been some space aliens visiting? Makes more sense than the idea that an entire South American civilization would put all that effort into making designs on a plateau that could only be seen from the air for unknown  religious reasons when they might have had better things to do- like tend the farms and stuff. My father simply never trusted the authorities and quietly bucked the system whenever he could.

The theories of Von Daniken and Sitchin are really propesterous. Not that they are too "radical" or anything like that... they are just filled with misinterpretations of ancient languages and cultures and a bunch of psuedo-science. For example, they claim that many of the megalithic ancient structures of the world, such as the Egyptian pyramids or the stones of Balbek or the temples of Machu Pichu or whatever, could have never been created by "primitive" humans... except, that's totally wrong. Those ancient civilizations had excellent knowledge of basic engineering techniques and could have EASILY constructed those things.

“We Couldn’t Build the Great Pyramid Today” – We Could Do Better (http://michaelsheiser.com/PaleoBabble/2012/07/build-great-pyramid-today/)

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I’m nearly finished with the book by David McCullough, The Path Between the Seas: The Creation of the Panama Canal, 1870-1914. I don’t ever want to hear any such nonsensical statement again about how the Great Pyramid is beyond modern reach.  Ever. To not laugh when I hear it would be to suffer a fool, and that wasn’t my strong suit before I read the book.

Just one statistic will suffice for this post. It has been estimated that, if the Great Pyramid were built today it would require 3 million cubic yards of concrete. Sounds like a lot, doesn’t it? A drop in the bucket compared to the Panama Canal.

In just the American phase of the construction (1903-1914) a total of 238,845,587 cubic yards were excavated. In 1907, men were moving 1,000,000 cubic yards every month. Three million cubic yards pales in comparison. It would have been a vacation for the tens of thousands of men working in Panama. And the cubic yardage doesn’t even begin to describe the engineering logistics and obstacles, not to mention this was all done through waves of malaria and yellow fever.It’s truly a colossal feat of engineering.

But, Mike, you say, it’s not a fair comparison. The people building the canal had machines like steam shovels and trains. Uh … that’s my point. We *could* build the Great Pyramid today and it wouldn’t require aliens, just like it didn’t back in ancient Egypt. As impressive as the Great Pyramid is, its engineering problems are known and solvable. Sure, a couple of dim-witted scientists in a NOVA television special weren’t up to the task — which only shows they weren’t up to the task. Engineers like Jean Pierre Houdin have articulated in great (and coherent) detail how the pyramid could have been built without modern machinery. Other engineers (namely Davidovits and Barsoum) have proposed that the pyramid blocks were fabricated ancient concrete. Scholars of Egyptian engineering are well informed in Egyptian construction methods, including the pyramids.

And isn’t it odd how ancient astronaut theorists never seem to talk about the failed pyramid projects, like the pyramid of Huni (the Meidum collapsed pyramid), built during the reign of Sneferu, the father of Khufu? Maybe the aliens were on vacation for that one. And also the Bent Pyramid . . . and the Step Pyramid of Djoser, which was built in stages after altering the non-pyramid burial mastaba style. These are all examples of human engineering — the Egyptians learned how to build pyramids gradually, trying new techniques and learning from failures. Pyramid engineering evolved through various transitions. The pyramids themselves demonstrate this quite clearly. To say they needed alien help is just insulting.

And they also like to claim that depictions of aliens and spaceships can be found all throughout the art of the ancient world, but that's by and large nonsense too.

http://www.youtube.com/v/ki-y6YEsMRs?version=3&feature=player_detailpage



http://www.youtube.com/v/6lBnO8oa5tQ?version=3&feature=player_detailpage

Title: Re: Down the Rabbit Hole
Post by: Tao Jonesing on July 16, 2012, 11:11:50 PM
Tao: You are usually quite eloquent but in this case I don't know to what the "yep"refers and also how the elites have changed the form of the abyss. Care to elaborate?                                                                                                                                                                                          GO: You seem to have dumbed down and modified my post to some extent. I am not just speaking about "taking responsibility for our actions" but about psychological projection taking place against a background of lack of integration of the personality or the ability to accept all the parts of ourselves without having to disown them. In other words, a whole psyche versus a split or fractured one where only good and righteousness resides within and anything unacceptable such as sexuality for example is cast out and projected elsewhere.

The two parts of my response to your comment are unrelated.  The first part disagrees with the notion in your opening sentence that we've tried to pull ourselves out of the abyss.  We have been distracted from doing so and repeatedly encouraged to replace one set of myths with another.  The second part wholeheartedly agrees with everything you said after the first sentence.  That's why I separated out the first sentence for comment.
Title: Re: Down the Rabbit Hole
Post by: Karpatok on July 16, 2012, 11:23:32 PM
 Thank you Tao. And having thought more on the subject I tend to agree with your assessment of my first sentence but with this reservation; that I find humankind complicit in its situation and not the victim.
Title: Re: Down the Rabbit Hole
Post by: el Gallinazo on July 18, 2012, 03:40:52 PM
Back from a quick sojourn into the belly of the beast to visit the Apple store before I move in the next couple of weeks to southern Mexico.

Let me state briefly what the primary purpose of writing this article was.  I was not, from my perspective, trying to discuss whether humans are inherently evil enough without outside agent provocateurs to commit all these atrocities through recorded history (or what purports to be history. And if we are evil enough to do it on our own, while that might add some evidence to doing it on our own, it certainly doesn't prove it.  Anymore than a card shark might be skilled enough to clean everyone else out without resorting to cheating means that he didn't cheat.  After all, why leave this shit to chance?)  Though I did mention these topics just to point out where the most innocuous initial forays down the rabbit hole can lead one. 

Those who remember my writings from TAE know that one year ago, beyond mentioning repeatedly the most obvious no-brainer fact that 9/11 was a false flag inside job (for which I was constantly reprimanded by Ilargi), my ideas were pretty conventional to what they have become.   I was hoping to give an example of what got me started down this rabbit hole.  And that excellent example was the work that Martyn Stubbs did at great though self-rewarding effort over years.  Forgetting about the so called authorities, human or otherwise, what that work shows beyond a reasonable doubt is that things in orbit beyond our atmosphere are very strange indeed and not what we are told.  Trying to figure out what that hidden NASA footage signifies is, IMHO, a worthy comment thread and one that I would have found very interesting to follow and participate in.   It also shows that at the astronaut and immediate controller level of NASA, they are deliberately hiding very interesting information from us.  Whether that hiding was, as Stubbs comically put it, similar to a parent hiding Easter eggs form his four-year-old, or rather just arrogant sloppiness is an open question.  I had hoped that the article, centered around Stubbs' work would inspire a few commenters to access some new data of high quality, and this would result in a thoughtful comment thread reflecting on this data.  But what we got was really just a rehash and sparring of everyone's preconceived opinions and not the very smallest peep about Stubs' interview and footage.  This probably indicates that everyone was simply "too busy" and too enlightened to learn something new.  Whatever.

As Leonard Cohen sang it:

Everybody knows that the boat is leaking
Everybody knows that the captain lied
Everybody got this broken feeling
Like their father or their dog just died

Everybody talking to their pockets
Everybody wants a box of chocolates
And a long stem rose
Everybody knows

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUfS8LyeUyM# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUfS8LyeUyM#)
Title: Re: Down the Rabbit Hole
Post by: RE on July 18, 2012, 04:10:06 PM
As Leonard Cohen sang it:

Everybody knows that the boat is leaking
Everybody knows that the captain lied
Everybody got this broken feeling
Like their father or their dog just died

Everybody talking to their pockets
Everybody wants a box of chocolates
And a long stem rose
Everybody knows


http://www.youtube.com/v/GUfS8LyeUyM

You gotta use the Embed button and Embed Code El G

RE
Title: Re: Down the Rabbit Hole
Post by: EndIsNigh on July 18, 2012, 05:12:50 PM
Thanks for taking the time to explain your intent El G.  While I didn't comment, I too observed the lack of discussion of the video you presented.  For what it's worth, I did watch 2 of (I think) 6 videos before getting sidetracked.  I intend to view the remaining videos, but having come across Stubbs before, am not completely ignorant to his findings.  What those findings represent is anyone's guess.  I would be interested in seeing more evidence that might shed some light on the nature of the objects he filmed, if you've found any.
Title: Down the Rabbit Hole: Leonard Cohen Feature Video
Post by: RE on July 18, 2012, 05:49:24 PM
I made the Leonard Cohen "Everybody Knows" Video the Blog Homepage Feature Video.  He's even better in 2008 as an Old Guy singing this tune then he was when he was a Young Guy.

RE
Title: Re: Down the Rabbit Hole
Post by: Tao Jonesing on July 18, 2012, 06:45:27 PM
I had hoped that the article, centered around Stubbs' work would inspire a few commenters to access some new data of high quality, and this would result in a thoughtful comment thread reflecting on this data.  But what we got was really just a rehash and sparring of everyone's preconceived opinions and not the very smallest peep about Stubs' interview and footage.  This probably indicates that everyone was simply "too busy" and too enlightened to learn something new.  Whatever.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUfS8LyeUyM# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUfS8LyeUyM#)

Sorry to disappoint you, el G.   It's not that I was too busy or too enlightened to learn something new, I just have other things that I want to learn first, and I only have so much time.  I also have a personal aversion to clicking on and watching internet videos that allegedly prove something.  I've just verified too many instances of these kinds of videos shading and/or fabricating "the truth."  For whatever reason, when I find an argument or statement of fact compelling, I feel the need to verify it for myself, which can distract me for days from other things I want to learn.

That's why I focused on the nature of your presentation rather than on its content.
Title: Re: Down the Rabbit Hole
Post by: WHD on July 18, 2012, 07:23:30 PM
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But what we got was really just a rehash and sparring of everyone's preconceived opinions and not the very smallest peep about Stubs' interview and footage.  This probably indicates that everyone was simply "too busy" and too enlightened to learn something new.  Whatever.

El G,

I watched all eight videos. I have never been a believer in Aliens. I feel a little as I did recently, however, looking into the evidence on both sides about 9/11, propelled there by the current warnings about a new FF op planned perhaps for the Olympics (I think Dec 21 is more likely.) I can't refute what I saw. What am I to do with that? About the same as I've always felt about aliens. If all that is out there, particularly as seen in the tether video, WHERE THE FUCK IS THE HELP?
Title: Re: Down the Rabbit Hole
Post by: el Gallinazo on July 19, 2012, 02:50:50 PM
Ashvin

I am neither a scholar nor an academic.  When I try to fit the reality pieces into that great metaphysical jigsaw puzzle, I do not place too much weight on which group espoused a certain idea and which group held it heretical, other than  that groups I consider to be basically evil (a bit more on this later) require a double scrutiny.  But even then I do not necessarily throw out all their concepts.  A good disinformationalist will compose his output to be at least 75% truthful into which he will insert his deceits.  Sort of like hiding a pill in the hamburger for your dog.  And a really skilled one will insert deliciously valuable nuggets in the truth compartment, not just truths you can pick up at WalMart on sale.

I read some of Blavatsky's work about 40 years ago.  I thought it was interesting but don't remember much.  But when I looked at her personal life, I found it rather distasteful.  Even if I were looking for some sort of guru, I would be as likely to take on one with a tarnished personal life as I would a 350 pounder as an obesity physician.  She reminds me in some ways of the other Russian bitch who followed her out of Mother Russia, Ayn Rand.  As to the Gnostics, I don't have a huge knowledge base about them either.  I know that a lot of the ideas I have picked up recently as tentatively valid, which you ascribe to the Gnostics, go back to the Vedas which are dated at 5000 and more years ago, well before the historical Gnostics.

But I don't really judge a religion by its ideas anyway, as I am not in the market.  I prefer to construct my own as I go along, picking quality pieces out of the junkyard of life.  And when I evaluate a religion I really don't care much about their metaphysics.   After all, one person's heresy is another person's premium kibble.  The only thing I care about is their historical atrocity record.  Have these religions committed genocide, torture, and crimes against humanity?  The rest to me is irrelevant.  The track record of the Abrahamic religions, Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are blacker than the ace of spades in this respect.  So as a non-scholar and a rather lazy person, have the Gnostics and their distantly related  ideological descendants such as the Cathars (before they were wiped out man, woman, and child by the RCC Inquisition) committed organized atrocities, and if they have, could you give me some credible links where this is laid out?  This is not a rhetorical question.  I will check out your links.  But please don't waste my time with what you consider heresy.  I am interested in murder and torture on a grand organized scale.
Title: Re: Down the Rabbit Hole
Post by: Ashvin on July 19, 2012, 05:05:06 PM
El G,

Thanks for your considered response. I made it 5 out of 8 of Stubb's account before being convinced that what he discovered in the footage was a genuine UFO phenomenon, and, in fact, I believe a large portion of sightings within the atmosphere are genuine also. His account fits in nicely with my already established metaphysics, so for now I take it as being supportive of that worldview, or at the very least, neutral. And I do believe this stuff is being "hid" from the public like a parent hides Easter eggs from a child.

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As to the Gnostics, I don't have a huge knowledge base about them either.  I know that a lot of the ideas I have picked up recently as tentatively valid, which you ascribe to the Gnostics, go back to the Vedas which are dated at 5000 and more years ago, well before the historical Gnostics.

I can't say that I am an expert on Gnosticism or anything like that, but the main idea is that "gnosis" or human knowledge/evolution will be the key to our salvation, rather than faith in God. In that sense, there are similarities between new age spirituality, gnosticism and theosophy, which are all deeply rooted in Ancient Eastern spiritual traditions, such as those of Hinduism and Buddhism. However, I think they are a very distorted versions of those traditions, as well as distorted versions of Christianity. Ultimately, they are all trying to destroy God's redemptive plan for humanity by convincing us that the God described in ALL of these traditions does not exist. I can't say that Gnostic Christianity started out this way, but it certainly contained the core elements of deceit needed by later traditions such as Theosophy.

In many ways, salvation in Hinduism and Buddhism is fundamentally related to salvation in Judaism, Christianity and Islam. It is about destroying the ego and unconditionally surrendering yourself to THE higher power. My discussions with Ka on another thread helped me explore this relationship further. James Ratsinger, professor of theology at USC (and Eastern Orthodox Christian), makes a good analogy - these faiths are like trails on a mountain that all lead to the same Summit (Jesus and the Father), except some trails are much more straightforward than others, and a few may be more prone to leading you off in the wrong direction if you are not very careful and attentive to where you are going. This also fits in with my view that Eastern mysticism can potentially be dangerous for those who just follow whatever spiritual entities they happen to come in contact with.

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The track record of the Abrahamic religions, Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are blacker than the ace of spades in this respect.  So as a non-scholar and a rather lazy person, have the Gnostics and their distantly related  ideological descendants such as the Cathars (before they were wiped out man, woman, and child by the RCC Inquisition) committed organized atrocities, and if they have, could you give me some credible links where this is laid out?  This is not a rhetorical question.  I will check out your links.  But please don't waste my time with what you consider heresy.  I am interested in murder and torture on a grand organized scale.

Well, I think what you are calling the track record of the Abrahamic religions, I am calling the track record of the Catholic Church (whose very existence is not supported by the Bible), Gnosticism and all derivative esoteric spiritual movements. I believe these are the institutions and secret societies that have really been calling the shots for the better part of at least the last 1500 years. How could any of the atrocities of the Inquisition, Crusades, anti-Semitic persecutions, "terrorist acts", etc. be attributed to the teachings of Jesus Christ, who is obviously a VERY important figure in Christianity and Islam (the Bible and Koran), and should have been the prophesied Messiah of Judaism in the OT (according to me). I don't believe that they can.
 
A good place to start with this alternate religious history is a film series produced by Chris Pinto, called Secret Mysteries of America's Beginnings. It comes in three 2.5  hour parts, though. I will embed Volume 1 "The New Atlantis" here if anyone wants to get started on it. It's probably better to call it an "alternate alternate" version, because it casts a lot of doubt on the common alternative view of religious history in New Age circles, perhaps summed up best by the Zeitgest "documentaries". We have to remember that, according to Judeo-Christian theology, from the very beginning of humanity, Satan has tailored his deceptions to contain A LOT of truths or half-truths about the nature of God and humanity.

http://www.youtube.com/v/8zYM-unUeNY?feature=player_detailpage

Pinto is a Christian, but the argument presented is meticulous and objective. Frankly, I was surprised a documentary about this subject matter could ever be so objective and could reference so many different sources.

If you can't deal with this sort of length, then I will try to dig up some written material on the same issues.
Title: Re: Down the Rabbit Hole
Post by: JoeP on July 19, 2012, 05:17:20 PM
Quote from: LG
I don't really judge a religion by its ideas anyway, as I am not in the market.  I prefer to construct my own as I go along, picking quality pieces out of the junkyard of life.

IMO - This is worthy of consideration for "quote ot he month".
 
There has been a lot of religious discussion round here lately.  I think I'm probably somewhere between RE's Pantheism snd LG's Big Toeism.
   
Title: Re: Down the Rabbit Hole
Post by: Ashvin on July 19, 2012, 08:20:59 PM
Oh, here is another good documentary that summarizes a lot of these issues. I believe it touches on Gnosticism and Eastern spiritual traditions for a little while.

YouTube description:

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Full length feature of Age of Deceit: Fallen Angels and the New World Order. A biblical look at the history of fallen angels and it's relationship to the New World Order and the new age movement. Topics covered are the fall of mankind, the pre-flood world as Atlantis, the new age through theosophy, the fallen angels and their origin of planting the seeds to society, UFO's, ET's and abduction cases, demonic possession, channeling, and more. All of these things are explained and predicted in the bible. Featured on the video are Chris White of http://youtube.com/knowwheretorun1984 (http://youtube.com/knowwheretorun1984) and http://nowheretorunradio.com (http://nowheretorunradio.com) as well as Douglas Hamp, author of "Corrupting the Image: Angels, Aliens and the Antichrist" at http://douglashamp.com (http://douglashamp.com).

NOTE: Alice Bailey quote at 27 min is taken out of context and is my mistake. Bailey is describing Nazi ideology, however it does not change her views on Christianity as a whole.

http://www.youtube.com/v/wjmFm8PIz8M?feature=player_detailpage
Title: Re: Down the Rabbit Hole
Post by: el Gallinazo on July 20, 2012, 02:31:12 PM
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So as a non-scholar and a rather lazy person, have the Gnostics and their distantly related  ideological descendants such as the Cathars (before they were wiped out man, woman, and child by the RCC Inquisition) committed organized atrocities, and if they have, could you give me some credible links where this is laid out?  This is not a rhetorical question.  I will check out your links.  But please don't waste my time with what you consider heresy.  I am interested in murder and torture on a grand organized scale.
Title: Re: Down the Rabbit Hole
Post by: Ashvin on July 20, 2012, 04:07:39 PM
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So as a non-scholar and a rather lazy person, have the Gnostics and their distantly related  ideological descendants such as the Cathars (before they were wiped out man, woman, and child by the RCC Inquisition) committed organized atrocities, and if they have, could you give me some credible links where this is laid out?  This is not a rhetorical question.  I will check out your links.  But please don't waste my time with what you consider heresy.  I am interested in murder and torture on a grand organized scale.

Was the torture and genocide perpetrated by Hitler's Third Reich grand and organized enough for you? We're obviously talking about at least 6 million European Jews here, and millions more gypsies, homosexuals and "inferior" people. It may interest you to know that Adolf kept a copy of "The Secret Doctrine" (Blavatsky) at his bedside and was an ardent Theosophist, which in turn borrowed much of its metaphysics from Gnosticism. 

What you have to understand here is that Gnostic Christianity influenced A LOT of esoteric spiritual movements over the centuries. This includes the more secretive movements/societies such as Rosicrucianism, the Freemasons, the Hellfire Club, the Illuminati and Theosophy, but also the much more notable ones such as Roman and European Catholicism, the Jesuits, Mormonism, Jehovah's Witnesses, Scientology, etc.

Between these groups, you will find just about all of the organized atrocities you care to find. They will include atrocities by people who claim to be Christian, as well as people who claim to be Jews (and perhaps are in the racial sense), such as the Rothschilds, who ended up aiding in the persecution and slaughtering of racial and religious Jews. Sir Francis Bacon would have called himself a Christian, and his colonization scheme for the New World ended up slaughtering countless numbers of indigenous people.

When you dig deeper, though, you find out that he was a Rosicrucian and Freemason, with the former deriving its name from the fusion of Pagan mystery religions (Rose) and Christianity (Cross). It is very similar to what Gnosticism did, except the Gnostics borrowed heavily from Eastern spiritual traditions. We also find this fusion running through the legacy of the Catholic Church. We see that the most powerful people in both Western Europe and America have been Rosicrucians or Freemasons or some derivative of the two.

All of this and much more was presented in the first video series I posted in a systematic, objective and academic manner (a lot of referenced sources). That one doesn't even adopt a Biblical Christian perspective or quote scripture. In fact, many of the sources are historical people that were highly influential within these movements, such as Blavatsky, Bailey, Manly P Hall, Albert Pike, etc, as well as people within the organizations today (or when the video was made), such as Lord Northampton, who is arguably the most powerful Freemason in the world. It just takes a good amount of time to watch and digest.
Title: Re: Down the Rabbit Hole
Post by: el Gallinazo on July 21, 2012, 03:33:54 PM
Blavatsky derived far more of her belief system from Vedic Hinduism and Tibetan Buddhism than from the Gnostics.  I did run through a couple of the Gnostic Gospels Apocrypha recently, mainly curious because David Icke claimed that the 4D beings whom he refers to as Reptilians were labeled the Archons by the Gnostics, who regarded them as evil and destructive.  I found their belief system to be ethical and gentle.  That you can equate every vicious Illuminati and Vatican front group and Satanic secret cult with the first and second century Gnostics is just typical of your batshit fanaticism and twisted logic.  Save it for a muppet court of law.  This is a jury of one who acquits.  I am well aware that Hitler was very much into the occult, and that he would be very familiar with Blavatsky doesn't surprise me.  He was convinced that the Ark of the Israelites was a high tech weapon which he wanted to obtain, and Spielberg's movie is far more based in fact than the average gum chewer would guess, sending many agents to the Middle East and Tibet searching for it.    For me, you did not make your case, though I am sure you will reply with your endless convoluted logic to do so.  I am not in the market for your religion or the Gnostics either, for that matter.  As mentioned, my primary interest in the Gnostics centered around their knowledge of the Archon beings.   I regard your writings on religion in particular to be a vast energy drain for anyone dumb enough to get sucked in.  Every wonder why it's so important to you that everyone regard Jesus exactly as you do?  Got that Zippo handy and loaded with fluid.
Title: Re: Down the Rabbit Hole
Post by: WHD on July 21, 2012, 04:24:17 PM
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I can't say that I am an expert on Gnosticism or anything like that, but the main idea is that "gnosis" or human knowledge/evolution will be the key to our salvation, rather than faith in God

Ashvin,

I think you are severely mistaken about what the Gnostics believed. More to the truth, they did not teach human knowledge per se, but divine revelation from within. Which makes you with your fundyism a great deal more more Gnostic than you know, compared to the Christianity that arose out of the Church.

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I made it 5 out of 8 of Stubb's account before being convinced that what he discovered in the footage was a genuine UFO phenomenon, and, in fact, I believe a large portion of sightings within the atmosphere are genuine also.

Wait a minute. If Jesus was God's only son and thereby an extension of HIm, you think he might have said something about Aliens? And are these aliens receiving the divine revelation of Jesus Christ, and if so, why are they lording over us, doing nothing to help, or whatever? They don't seem very Christ like, or nearly the propagandizer that you tend to be.

Title: Re: Down the Rabbit Hole
Post by: Ashvin on July 21, 2012, 11:44:25 PM
Blavatsky derived far more of her belief system from Vedic Hinduism and Tibetan Buddhism than from the Gnostics.  I did run through a couple of the Gnostic Gospels Apocrypha recently, mainly curious because David Icke claimed that the 4D beings whom he refers to as Reptilians were labeled the Archons by the Gnostics, who regarded them as evil and destructive.

Look, Blavatsky herself wrote a lot about how Gnostic metaphysics informed her beliefs.

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The first Gnostic study circle was established in Australia in 1886. Known as ‘The Melbourne Gnostic Society’, the group’s purpose was the study of “Theosophy and kindred matters.” Later becoming ‘The Gnostic Theosophical Society’, it was central to the foundation of the Theosophical Society in Australia.

Madame H.P. Blavatsky, the co-founder of the Theosophical Society and author of the society’s primary texts, had a profound interest in Gnosticism. Gnostic Bishop Stephan A. Hoeller says Madame Blavatsky “commented on the tradition voluminously (a compilation of her writing concerning runs to more than 270 pages). The contemporary student of Gnosticism, who has access to the Nag Hammadi Gnostic scriptures, would be greatly impressed if not outright awestruck by Blavatsky’s uncanny insight into Gnosticism.”

This is from a Gnostic website, and there is more info at the following link - http://www.gnostic.info/index.html (http://www.gnostic.info/index.html) 

You are understandably drawing an artificial line between the two, because Blavatsky's Theosophy is clearly Luciferian and provides the foundation for the modern Illuminati and NWO agenda, but there is no denying that it is an artificial line. Gnosticism explicitly argues that the God of the Old Testament, i.e. the divine being that CREATED HUMANITY (according to them as well), created the world and humanity as puppets and slaves, and meant to keep them "in the dark". They believe the Serpent, i.e. Satan, was the "good" divine being that allowed Adam and Eve to obtain "gnosis" by eating the fruit from the tree of knowledge.

Theosophy argues the exact same thing, and people like David Icke have incorporated much of theosophy into their philosophy. Whether you agree with their formulation or not, you cannot deny that they are Luciferian - worshiping the Serpent as a higher God than YWWH is, by definition, Satanic or Luciferian. The only thing you have to ask yourself is whether those Gnostic and Theosophical philosophies are related to the Satanic worship/practices of the Illuminati. I think it is rather obvious that they are.

BUT even if you think Gnosticism has nothing to do with it, there is still no denying that the New Age Movement, including people like David Icke, is intimately related to Blavatsky, Bailey and Theosophy.

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Every wonder why it's so important to you that everyone regard Jesus exactly as you do?

Every wonder why everything and everyone you read or listen to is so interested in discrediting Jesus as not being the God who the Gospels say He was? The Gospels and the teachings of Jesus forbid me from committing violence against anyone, under penalty of eternal damnation, even if I think they are the most evil, heretical people alive... does David Icke do the same for you?
Title: Re: Down the Rabbit Hole
Post by: Ashvin on July 21, 2012, 11:55:22 PM
Ashvin,

I think you are severely mistaken about what the Gnostics believed. More to the truth, they did not teach human knowledge per se, but divine revelation from within. Which makes you with your fundyism a great deal more more Gnostic than you know, compared to the Christianity that arose out of the Church.

I wont argue with you that there are a lot of similarities. Gnosticism, after all, is considered a sect of Christianity, because they truly believe in both Jesus and the Father as divine beings, with the latter creating Earth and humanity, just as it is explained in Genesis. In fact, they pretty much agree with all of the history presented in the OT, just as any other Christians do.

But, IF you are accepting Judeo-Christian theology, you also have to recognize the fact that Satan is such a good deceiver because he used to be an angel is the presence of the one true God, before the creation of the Earth and humanity. He knows exactly how to mix lies with truths and half-truths about God, humanity, revelation and all the rest, as long as it ultimately serves to undermine God's redemptive plan for humanity.

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Wait a minute. If Jesus was God's only son and thereby an extension of HIm, you think he might have said something about Aliens? And are these aliens receiving the divine revelation of Jesus Christ, and if so, why are they lording over us, doing nothing to help, or whatever? They don't seem very Christ like, or nearly the propagandizer that you tend to be.

The point is that they are not actually extra-terrestrial aliens, as most people have come to think about them. i.e. big headed, small-bodied biological creatures that evolved in some distant part of the Universe. They are demons, and the Bible contains much more stuff about demons than it does about angels. All you have to do is read it, and you will probably learn more about "aliens" than you could ever learn from the History or Discovery Channels (or the New Age Movement, for that matter).
Title: Re: Down the Rabbit Hole
Post by: Ashvin on July 22, 2012, 11:04:13 AM
More on Gnosticism. While the actual texts pseudipigraphical Gospels may come off as being "gentile" and benign, it is the underlying metaphysics which provides the foundation for future deceptions in much more sinister societies and organizations. As always, the Devil is in the details...



Part 1: "Introducing Gnosticism: Understanding the Worldview Behind The DaVinci Code" An overview of the beliefs of ancient Gnosticism as a backdrop to the claims in The DaVinci Code.

From the Ancient of Days Davinci Coda Conference. DVDs available on a name-your-own-price donation basis at http://www.AncientofDays.net (http://www.AncientofDays.net)

Dan Brown's The Da Vinci Code has become an international phenomena with over 45 million books in print, and a major motion picture starring Tom Hanks. While presented as fiction, the novel makes claims of extensive research that are, at best, challenging to traditional Christian teachings.

Among the ideas presented as fact in The Da Vinci Code are that Jesus fathered a child by Mary Magdalene (a bloodline that allegedly continues today), that the early Catholic church concealed this and invented the doctrine of Jesus' divinity, and that the church intentionally rejected any texts that hinted at this history from inclusion in the Bible, in part to suppress the role of women.

"The novel relies primarily on the teachings of Gnosticism, an early Christian sect," according to Bellingham-based theologian and Academic Editor for Logos Bible Software Dr. Michael S. Heiser, Ph.D. Heiser holds advanced degrees in Ancient History, Semitic Languages, and Hebrew Bible, and says he is very familiar with the Gnostic texts and the "conspiratorial" version of history The Da Vinci Code is based upon.

He here examines, and where appropriate, rebuts, the claims of Brown's novel from both historical and theological perspectives via this one-day conference held at Hampton Inn's Fox Hall in Bellingham, WA. Dr. Heiser presented a series of 45-minute lectures targeted at specific claims of the book. Sessions included an overview of Gnosticism, an examination of the evidence for Jesus' alleged marriage, a historical view of the idea that Jesus is God prior to Constantine's third-century declaration of such, the Gnostic view of women, and a working overview of how texts appearing in modern Bibles were selected.

Dr. Heiser discussed the claims of The Da Vinci Code for three hours in December 2005 before a national audience on the popular late-night radio show Coast to Coast AM with George Noory.


http://www.youtube.com/v/anqsjwUcdOI?feature=player_detailpage
Title: Re: Down the Rabbit Hole
Post by: Ashvin on July 22, 2012, 04:08:49 PM
More information about the MYTHS surrounding Christianity and Gnosticism. A prominent one is that Gnosticism elevates the female to higher or at least equal status of the male, unlike the "misogynistic" Christians. Needless to say, that is a blatant lie, and it is actually the exact opposite. Early Christians were leagues ahead of the surrounding culture in terms of their treatment and attitudes towards women, while the Gnostics actually believe that Eve was not created with the spark of divinity that Adam was given!

I wonder if that had anything to do with the prevalence of male-dominated, oppressive hierarchies across all spheres of society since that time...?



Part 4: "Enlightened Gnostics and Misogynistic Christians? The New Testament Attitude Toward Women" - A critique of the notion that Gnosticism elevated women while the New Testament writers and the early Church did everything they could to oppress them.

Dan Brown's The Da Vinci Code has become an international phenomena with 45 million books in print, and a major motion picture starring Tom Hanks. While presented as fiction, the novel makes claims of extensive research that are, at best, challenging to traditional Christian teachings.

Among the ideas presented as fact in The Da Vinci Code are that Jesus fathered a child by Mary Magdalene (a bloodline that allegedly continues today), that the early Catholic church concealed this and invented the doctrine of Jesus' divinity,
and that the church intentionally rejected any texts that hinted at this history from inclusion in the Bible, in part to suppress the role of women.

"The novel relies primarily on the teachings of Gnosticism, an early Christian sect," according to Bellingham-based theologian and Academic Editor for Logos Bible Software Dr. Michael S. Heiser, Ph.D. Heiser holds advanced degrees in Ancient History, Semitic Languages, and Hebrew Bible, and says he is very familiar with the Gnostic texts and the "conspiratorial" version of history The Da Vinci Codeis based upon.

http://www.youtube.com/v/3YNyuHjWJlc?feature=player_detailpage
Title: Re: Down the Rabbit Hole
Post by: KineticBrian on July 28, 2012, 10:29:46 AM
God, another New jersey contemporary that is on the same wavelength. I am truly thankful. I would like to add a very famous quote by FDR to the table that ties it all together, and I quote, "The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than the democratic state it
itself. That, in essence, is facism; ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power

_______Franklin D. Roosevelt


The point being is if we allow, by doing nothing, which obviously the assertive engagement of our knowing needs to be demonstrated by active participation, to stop the permissive behavior of those with not enough sense to be ethical. Recall the famous case in New York of the woman who was raped and killed with at least 35 witnesses that watched and did nothing expecting someone of "authority" to intervene which did not happen. Humm.... That being said, I too am one of the "lucky ones?" with a great deal of UFO sightings, live in a hotbed among terrorized citizens who have witnessed the most magnificent anomalies but were placated by the Air Force psychological terror group that ridiculed any witness including pilots and law enforcement officials who also witnessed these events. So, yes when we allow in the the right way our intuition, common sense, universal intelligence and look at the larger picture, it is obvious that the withholding of this information is essential to the cruel taskmasters who profit from the suffering of the slaves in this artificial self serving tyranny. I could go on, but my book "Mount Shasta Sightings" which I have worked on for several years which is a chronology of sightings that were not recorded by Project Blue Book,J. Allen Hynek, MUFON,but revealed by those who are tired of hiding the truth and now disclosing, but also contains an abbreviated history of the political crap good souls like Donald Keyhoe, Dr, James Mc Donald, Fran Ridge, Peer Davenport ( NICAP) put up with insuring the public stayed in the loop proactive in what is information that belongs to us all. I will self publish unless I get a brave publisher. The Los Angeles Times interviewed me and the work this last February 2012 before the book was done, which put a real fire under my butt, here is that link,
 http://articles.latimes.com/2012/jan/23/local/la-me-shasta-legends-20120124 (http://articles.latimes.com/2012/jan/23/local/la-me-shasta-legends-20120124)

This book is my contribution to "disclosure" in hopes it will help others open their hearts and minds. I  will be posting a lot here soon, and am inspired by the like mind of you Ed. You can check out excerpts I just posted on  my facebook page ( forgive me but I got to reach people) put in Brian David Wallenstein and my page connected to my profile is Mt Shasta Sightings. I find this aritcle of yours ed a synchroncity and my brother sent me the link this morning. Yee ha B
Title: Re: Down the Rabbit Hole
Post by: Ashvin on July 28, 2012, 12:56:06 PM
Brian, your Mt. Shasta research has some remarkable connections to demonology.

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A woman named Rudi emailed to report that she'd seen a bright disc hovering above Mt. Shasta. She attached a photo from a ski resort snow cam that showed a luminous speck.

 A man named Larry recounted his own research — including telepathic communication with "them" — conducted in preparation for the day extraterrestrials would reveal themselves to earthlings. (Too out there, Wallenstein decided.)

People pulled him aside to share anecdotes of mystery lights and star gates, or to whisper the names of neighbors and brothers with tales to tell.

...

Mt. Shasta, a 14,162-foot peak often tinged in pink alpenglow and topped by lens-shaped clouds, long has elicited awe. When John Muir first caught sight of it, "I was fifty miles away, afoot, alone and weary," he wrote in 1874, "yet all of my blood turned to wine and I have not been weary since.

...

The mountain has been touted as the site of an energy vortex that allows passage into the metaphysical dimension; the birthplace of a spiritual foundation whose adherents believe they can ascend to the eternal realm; and a hot spot for UFOs that hide in the clouds and enter the mountain's core through mystery "portals."

Newer to the repertoire are sightings of Bigfoot (the word serves as both singular and plural, like fish and sheep), believed by some to conceal themselves by passing into a fifth dimension.

To assist seekers from around the globe, the bureau's website includes a list of energy healers. Shops carry crystals for the "spiritual pilgrim." Drop-in channeling sessions are held each Sunday at a spiritual center. Guides lead soul-cleansing treks up the mountain in all seasons.

...

In 2008, the Mount Shasta Herald reported that five people claimed to have witnessed a jellyfish-like craft that hovered noiselessly over neighboring McCloud, with what appeared to be a fire raging inside it."



I'm curious, what did John Muir mean when he said "yet all of my blood turned to wine and I have not been weary since"? I bolded it for obvious reasons in connection with Christianity. It is disheartening that the town's visitors bureau is set up to "assist seekers from around the globe". This is dangerous stuff that should not be sought out.

Quote from: 2Corinithians11
14) And no marvel, for Satan himself is transformed* into an angel of light. 15) Therefore, it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works."

(http://alienresistance.org/revangel.jpg)

Bible Passages To Consider When Examining The Modern Alien / UFO Phenomena (http://alienresistance.org/bibleabductions.htm)

"It's obvious this passage is saying that even Satan's workers (human or angelic!) pretend to be ministers of peace and goodwill. In the case of humans, this may not be intentional deception, but simply people who are deceived, deceiving others - ie, "the blind leading the blind."

However, "transformed / masquerades / disguises" as used here is not figurative, but physical. The literal word  is "metaschematizo - to transfigure or disguise," and has the same root as "metamorphosis," and relates specifically to the outward physical appearance.

Quite simply, angels have the power to transform they way they appear to people (just as abductees repeatedly report their captors have the ability to do). Holy angels appeared as human often in the Old and New Testaments, and the New Testament tells us that we too may "entertain angels unaware"
(Hebrews 13:2).

Ufologists and abductees often believe that the beings we are dealing with or studying are "angelic spiritual guides," here to help humanity, to repair the environment, to empower the individual, yada yada yada...

But their documented New Age doctrines, their sexual assaults and their gross mistreatment of humans gives them away. They are false workers, intent on our destruction."



Secular Researchers' Findings that UFO Activity is Not Extraterrestrial in Origin (http://alienresistance.org/aralienufosecularresearch.htm)

Non-Christian author Preston Dennit says,

"It cannot be denied that there is a connection between UFO encounters and psychic phenomena… UFO abductees have reported being plagued with all sorts of paranormal manifestations following their UFO experience.... objects moving by themselves, … ghostly footsteps, apparitions, doors opening and closing by themselves, precognitive dreams, telepathy, telekinesis -- the list is endless... Many ufologists ignore this aspect of ufology in an attempt to draw the subject out of the occult…They refuse to use all the evidence presented to make a theory which explains all aspects of the reported phenomena. Instead they choose those aspects that would prove their theory, while ignoring the evidence that contradicts their theory… UFOs will never be explained until the psychic aspect of UFOs is also explained."

Dr. Jacques Vallee, one of the pioneers of secular UFO researchers, worked partly with the U.S. government along with Project Blue Book's Hynek. You might call Vallee and Hynek the founding fathers of scientific UFO study. Vallee is the author of 10 books on the scientific study UFOs, he helped coin the phrase in the 1970's "the inter-dimensional hypothesis" to explain UFO activity.

You don't know you know him, but Vallee was the inspiration for the scientist character in Stephen Spielberg's movie Close Encounters of the Third Kind. 

In a Conspire.com interview, Vallee expressed that he thought some external force was causing people what he called "induced hallucinations."

“…it’s quite possible that some of the stories that you get from people are essentially induced hallucinations in sincere witnesses – the witnesses are not lying. They really have been exposed to something genuine..."

It's not that the UFO witnesses were lying (he said) but that only they saw something that wasn't really there, at least in the physical sense of a nuts and bolt saucer.

(http://www.alienstranger.com/2010-23-claudelacombe.jpg)

Valle, pictured here with Dr Hynek presented to the United Nations on their UFO research in 1978, wrote,

"The 'medical examination' to which abductees are said to be subjected, often accompanied by sadistic sexual manipulation, is reminiscent of the medieval tales of encounters with demons. It makes no sense in a sophisticated or technical framework: any intelligent being equipped with the scientific marvels that UFOs possess would be in a position to achieve any of these alleged scientific objectives in a shorter time and with fewer risks." 
(Dr. Jacques Vallee CONFRONTATIONS: A Scientist's Search for Alien Contact pg. 13)

John Keel, an influential journalist and ufologist, and the author of The Mothman Prophecies (the basis of the film by the same name) wrote succinctly,

"The UFO manifestations seem to be, by and large, merely minor variations of the age-old demonological phenomenon." 
(John A. Keel, Operation Trojan Horse pg. 299)
Title: Re: Down the Rabbit Hole
Post by: EndIsNigh on April 18, 2013, 11:26:52 PM
If a person is truly honest in their assessment and analysis of their own psyche, they are well aware that the demons exist not externally as separate non-physical entitities acting upon our physical experience, but internally as a part of what we are.  Of course, those who cannot face and integrate their demons end up allowing their actions to be dictated by them in the physical world.  Furthermore, if we understand there can be no external physical world without participation of the internal psychic world, the distinction becomes less clear.  Of course the universe will appear to contain demons if the consciousness which creates it is composed of such elements.  As such, the internal and external are inseperable.

Ultimately we bring into 'reality' our demons, for without us, they could not exist.

Title: Re: Down the Rabbit Hole
Post by: RE on April 18, 2013, 11:55:48 PM
Ultimately we bring into 'reality' our demons, for without us, they could not exist.

EiN is BACK from Walkabout!

 :wav:

Waz Up, Mate?

RE
Title: Re: Down the Rabbit Hole
Post by: EndIsNigh on April 06, 2017, 12:10:45 PM
Karpatok,

Your assessment makes sense to me.  I see it similarly.

If a person is truly honest in their analysis of their own psyche, they are well aware that the demons exist not as separate non-physical entitities acting upon our physical experience, but as a part of what and who we are.  Those unable to face and integrate their demons, to accept without rejecting, end up allowing their actions to be dictated and controlled by them in the physical world.  Ultimately we bring our demons into 'reality', for without us, they exist only as potentiality until actualised through our behaviour.  This idea seems consistent with a participatory universe.

http://discovermagazine.com/2002/jun/featuniverse/article_view?b_start:int=2&-C= (http://discovermagazine.com/2002/jun/featuniverse/article_view?b_start:int=2&-C=)



Title: Ghost in the Diner
Post by: RE on April 06, 2017, 12:20:10 PM
Well, there was an interesting glitch.  A whole bunch of old posts from End is Nigh, a retired Diner, popped up in the current listings.

I'm going to leave them up so PY can diagnose why this occurred. ???  :icon_scratch:

RE
Title: Re: Ghost in the Diner
Post by: azozeo on April 06, 2017, 12:51:52 PM
Well, there was an interesting glitch.  A whole bunch of old posts from End is Nigh, a retired Diner, popped up in the current listings.

I'm going to leave them up so PY can diagnose why this occurred. ???  :icon_scratch:

RE

Dude,
Please don't tell me & the other diners that you opened a worm hole whilst frolicking on the other side of the veil.
Title: Re: Ghost in the Diner
Post by: Surly1 on April 06, 2017, 01:07:33 PM
Well, there was an interesting glitch.  A whole bunch of old posts from End is Nigh, a retired Diner, popped up in the current listings.

I'm going to leave them up so PY can diagnose why this occurred. ???  :icon_scratch:

RE

I saw these and was convinced you were on the Other Side, burrowed into the diner forum database.

You ol' pal Alan even makes an appearance.

Ah, the lost days of 1000-word posts about dilworth...
Title: Re: Down the Rabbit Hole
Post by: Palloy2 on April 08, 2017, 06:55:45 PM
Please leave the posts up for diagnosis.
Can the resurrected Diners be put on moderation, rather than banning, to prevent further posts going up, whilst keeping a record of them?

There's nothing making the news on SMF users' forum about a glitch.
On the other hand, a database corruption would almost certainly make the whole thing collapse in a heap.
EndIsNigh and Chloe seem to have gained Global Moderator status, but Snowleopard hasn't.
Very confusing.
Title: Ghost in the Diner Exorcism
Post by: RE on April 08, 2017, 07:02:51 PM
Please leave the posts up for diagnosis.
Can the resurrected Diners be put on moderation, rather than banning, to prevent further posts going up, whilst keeping a record of them?

There's nothing making the news on SMF users' forum about a glitch.
On the other hand, a database corruption would almost certainly make the whole thing collapse in a heap.
EndIsNigh and Chloe seem to have gained Global Moderator status, but Snowleopard hasn't.
Very confusing.

I left the posts up, just dropped on the ban per your request.

I'll take off the ban and put moderation on them.

RE
Title: Re: Down the Rabbit Hole
Post by: agelbert on April 08, 2017, 07:58:07 PM
Please leave the posts up for diagnosis.
Can the resurrected Diners be put on moderation, rather than banning, to prevent further posts going up, whilst keeping a record of them?

There's nothing making the news on SMF users' forum about a glitch.
On the other hand, a database corruption would almost certainly make the whole thing collapse in a heap.
EndIsNigh and Chloe seem to have gained Global Moderator status, but Snowleopard hasn't.
Very confusing.

I left the posts up, just dropped on the ban per your request.

I'll take off the ban and put moderation on them.

RE


Snowleopard  :evil4: is a bought and paid for fossil fuel industry SHILL. He was bullshitting about "the new ice age" and the "lack of temperature rise" (that turned out to be TOTALLY false) for a few years here.  :emthdown: :emthdown: :emthdown:

I trapped him on my forum by confirming he was NOT posting from New Hampshire, as he claimed (he was posting from a state in the Midwest). Snowleapard is a LIAR!  ANYTHING he ever said should be SHIT CANNED for the good of the biosphere and future generations. (http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-120716190938.png)
Title: Re: Down the Rabbit Hole
Post by: Ka on April 09, 2017, 12:48:41 PM
This happened to me some time back, that is, a post suddenly appeared from "Ka" on a long dead thread. I finally figured out that it was a draft I had written but not posted. All these recent posts also look like drafts (which is why they are partial, and repetitive). So I'm pretty sure it is a bug in the forum software that, instead of deleting these old drafts, posts them.